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Log from 2007-10-10:
--- Day changed Wed Oct 10 2007
00:16 -!- eddiefantastic [n=ed@82.152.121.222] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
00:16 -!- G5_Ger [n=G5_Ger@p57962DDF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Quitting!"]
00:18 <P4> #base 36 10 Lucifer
00:18 <armabot> P4: 47547429507
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01:17 <Lucifer> #send P4 a nuclear missile
01:17 <armabot> I have sent a nuclear missile to P4, it should arrive shortly.
01:50 -!- Jovan15 [i=8a@gateway/tor/x-20f14d4eb276e220] has joined #armagetron
02:02 <noob7> so did any of you order the new radiohead album?
02:03 <noob7> I was about to put in a $0 order, but I dont want to mess up their statistics and will probably just pirate it instead of copying my brothers legally obtaind copy :D
02:18 -!- P4 is now known as P4|away
02:57 <spidey> Lucifer: luke-jr${noob} GodTodd${noob}, civ?
03:24 -!- noob7 is now known as noob7_away
03:38 <spidey> #send luke-jr anthrax
03:38 <armabot> I have sent anthrax to luke-jr, it should arrive shortly.
04:26 <spidey> #help send
04:26 <armabot> spidey: (send <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "echo I have sent $* to $1, it should arrive shortly.".
04:29 <spidey> #send luke-jr to war
04:29 <armabot> I have sent to war to luke-jr, it should arrive shortly.
04:29 <spidey> #send luke-jr  war
04:29 <armabot> I have sent war to luke-jr, it should arrive shortly.
04:35 -!- ghableska [i=user@12-216-106-77.client.mchsi.com] has joined #armagetron
04:36 <ghableska> #weather 50266
04:36 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 57.0°F (9:38 PM CDT on October 09, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 39.2°F. Pressure: 29.13 in 986.3 hPa (Rising).
04:56 <spidey> #weather ghableska${noob}
04:57 <armabot> spidey: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
04:57 <spidey> #weather 38256
04:57 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in 5 mi NE of, Paris, Tennessee is 60.1°F (9:59 PM CDT on October 09, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 51.8°F. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Steady).
04:59 <spidey> #send war luke-jr${noob}
04:59 <armabot> I have sent luke-jr${noob} to war, it should arrive shortly.
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05:40 <Lucifer> #send luke-jr a small war
05:40 <armabot> I have sent a small war to luke-jr, it should arrive shortly.
05:40 <Lucifer> noob7_away: nah, I don't listen to emo bands
05:43 <GodTodd> do too :P
05:45 <spidey> lol
05:52 <spidey> #send spidey all lucifer base
05:52 <armabot> I have sent all lucifer base to spidey, it should arrive shortly.
05:53 <Gursikh> #send spidey cheat codez
05:53 <armabot> I have sent cheat codez to spidey, it should arrive shortly.
05:54 <GodTodd> #send GodTodd ibuprofen
05:54 <armabot> I have sent ibuprofen to GodTodd, it should arrive shortly.
05:54 <GodTodd> thanks armabot...i got it :)
05:58 <GodTodd> #send Lucifer a very nasty case of the clap
05:58 <armabot> I have sent a very nasty case of the clap to Lucifer, it should arrive shortly.
06:06 <Lucifer> no civ!
06:07 <Lucifer> #send GodTodd a big wet kiss
06:07 <armabot> I have sent a big wet kiss to GodTodd, it should arrive shortly.
06:07 <Lucifer> so, I have made a decision about eugenics
06:07 <Lucifer> maybe I should say this in #eugenics
06:07 <GodTodd> meh
06:07 <GodTodd> wherever
06:07 <GodTodd> :)
06:07 <Lucifer> heh
06:07 <Lucifer> I have decided to make it first a freeciv client
06:08 <Lucifer> that way we can focus on getting the client to work, do some of the things we want it to do, and don't have the complexity that writing the server at the same time would bring
06:11 <Lucifer> so, we'll be able to work out the Ministry of Spies, the Ministry of War, and the city managers, probably the trade manager as well (freights/caravans)
06:11 <Lucifer> numerous reports, where most of the data will be similar to what the eugenics model will be
06:11 <GodTodd> so basically make it a freeciv client...then make it better
06:12 <Lucifer> so a large part of the code will be the same that we need for a game client anyway, and it'll probably be playable faster that way
06:12 <Lucifer> right, pretty much
06:12 <Lucifer> and if we do it right, we should be able to play with a 30 second timeout in freeciv with no reduction in game quality
06:12 <GodTodd> sounds prudent
06:12 <Lucifer> in fact, we should find we have to lower the turn timeout to improve quality of the game
06:13 <GodTodd> no 1tpd games? :((((
06:13 <GodTodd> heh
06:16 <Lucifer> heh
06:16 <Lucifer> there is a catch
06:16 <Lucifer> after we start adding all the automation, the regular freeciv players will probably view it as a cheating client
06:16 <Lucifer> I don't care a whole lot what they think, but I don't want the good reputation of a game that's not intended to be another civ clone to be tarnished by that
06:17 <Lucifer> so it may be necessary to fork the freeciv server for awhile and make some incompatible changes to put a wall between eugenics and freeciv
06:18 <Lucifer> not significant changes, just protocol tweaks so the two clients can't use the other's servers
06:18 <Lucifer> anyway, turn 150 in freeciv gets you somewhere around 1600 AD iirc
06:19 <Lucifer> someone check me on that, I built the beta6 client and played it for awhile last night to see if the bugs that broke it were fixed (they're not, still has a random assertion that tears down the client)
06:19 <Lucifer> but I saw T150 next to somewhere around 1400/1600 AD
06:19 <Lucifer> on a 30 second turn timeout, that's:
06:19 <Lucifer> #math calc 30*150/60
06:19 <armabot> Lucifer: 75
06:19 <Lucifer> 75 minutes
06:20 <Lucifer> someone play a 2.1 beta up to 2000 AD and tell me what turn it is :)
06:34 -!- Stewie-arma [n=Stewie-a@cpe-72-130-168-207.san.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron
06:34 <Stewie-arma> hola
06:35 <Lucifer> como estas?
06:35 <Lucifer> #math calc -4000-(-1000)
06:35 <armabot> Lucifer: -3000
06:35 <Lucifer> duh
06:35 <Lucifer> #math calc 3000/50
06:35 <Stewie-arma> sorry I don't speak english or spanish
06:35 <armabot> Lucifer: 60
06:36 <Lucifer> #math calc 1000/25
06:36 <armabot> Lucifer: 40
06:36 <Lucifer> #math calc 3000/50 + 1000/25
06:36 <Stewie-arma> Lucifer do you not know how to do this stuff in your head?
06:36 <armabot> Lucifer: 100
06:36 <Lucifer> fuck off
06:36 <Stewie-arma> awww
06:36 <Lucifer> #send Stewie-arma a clue bat
06:36 <armabot> I have sent a clue bat to Stewie-arma, it should arrive shortly.
06:36 <Lucifer> :)
06:36 <Stewie-arma> this is the welcome I get from being gone for so long?
06:36 <Stewie-arma> lol
06:37 <Stewie-arma> wait you couldn't even do 60 + 40?
06:37 <Lucifer> #math calc 3000/50 + 1000/25 + 1000/20 + 500/10 + 250/5 + 250/2 + 100
06:37 <armabot> Lucifer: 475
06:37 <Lucifer> oh wow, it's 475 turns to 2000 AD
06:38 <Stewie-arma> lol
06:38 <Lucifer> Stewie-arma: if you haven't figured out by now that I'm horrible with arithmetic, you won't figure it out
06:38 <Stewie-arma> playing freeciv?
06:38 <Lucifer> no, just doing some math on it :)
06:38  * Stewie-arma forgoted
06:38 <Lucifer> #math calc 475*30/60
06:38 <armabot> Lucifer: 237.5
06:38 <Lucifer> er
06:38 <Lucifer> ah, that's minutes, now hours :)
06:38 <Stewie-arma> lol
06:38 <Lucifer> #math calc (475*30/60)/60.0
06:38 <armabot> Lucifer: 3.95833333333
06:39 <Lucifer> so about 4 hours with a 30 second timeout to go all the way to 2000 AD
06:39 <Stewie-arma> Lucifer you don't need the parenthesis
06:39 <Lucifer> it's easier to read with the parenthesis
06:39 <Stewie-arma> #math calc 475*30/60/60
06:39 <armabot> Stewie-arma: 3.95833333333
06:39 <Stewie-arma> lol
06:39 <Lucifer> some day, grasshopper, you will learn the importance of notation
06:40 <GodTodd> #send Stewie-arma a notation device
06:40 <Lucifer> but not while you're under the grip of regular childlike laziness
06:40 <armabot> I have sent a notation device to Stewie-arma, it should arrive shortly.
06:40 <Stewie-arma> some day, old person, you will learn the importance of order of operations
06:40 <Lucifer> perhaps I already know the importance?  You miss the lesson completely.
06:40 <Lucifer> no cookie for you
06:40  * Stewie-arma is way to lazy to do anything right now
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06:41 <Stewie-arma> got tired of typing my 8 page essay... need a break
06:41  * GodTodd wants Stewie-arma's cookie then.
06:41 <Stewie-arma> which is ofcourse why I came here to type more
06:41 <Lucifer> people that don't learn to use good notation in math wind up liberal arts people
06:41 <GodTodd> tired after 8 pages?
06:41 <GodTodd> wow
06:41 <Stewie-arma> good thing I wont be either
06:41 <Lucifer> #send GodTodd the cookie Stewie-arma was too lazy to earn
06:41 <armabot> I have sent the cookie Stewie-arma was too lazy to earn to GodTodd, it should arrive shortly.
06:41 <GodTodd> :D
06:41 <Stewie-arma> GodTodd you should know I am lazy by now
06:41 <Stewie-arma> and a procrastinator
06:42 <Lucifer> back on the subject before we were so rudely interupted, GodTodd (hi there!) , I figure a game of freeciv to 2000 AD with a 30 second timeout should take about 4 hours
06:42 <Lucifer> assuming the game stops there
06:42 <GodTodd> that 8 pages makes my 375 or so page novel seem....
06:42 <GodTodd> well...large :)
06:42 <Lucifer> after that, every turn is 30 seconds, and one turn is one year
06:42 <Stewie-arma> GodTodd you're typing a novel?
06:43 <Lucifer> Stewie-arma: he's also conceptualizing it and crafting it
06:43 <Stewie-arma> WHAT!?!?
06:43 <GodTodd> Stewie-arma: typ*ed*
06:43 <Stewie-arma> THAT'S UN HEARD OF!
06:43 <Lucifer> yep, the UN has heard of it
06:43 <Stewie-arma> if I could have proper grammar it would even make sense, what I said that is
06:43 <GodTodd> that's the one that i'm querying...when i get a chance number 2 is still percolating :)
06:44 <Stewie-arma> #quote
06:44 <GodTodd> Lucifer: they go 1 year per turn in 2000?
06:44 <GodTodd> in civ2 it was at 1850
06:44 <Lucifer> GodTodd: that starts in 1900 actually
06:44 <Stewie-arma> WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
06:44 <Lucifer> well, they're not exact.  Civ2 used to also go to months somewhere around the middle of the 1900s
06:44 <Lucifer> quarters, anyway
06:45 <GodTodd> not my civ2
06:45 <Lucifer> that was one of the reason tech costs doubled
06:45 <Lucifer> I may be thinking civ1
06:45  * Stewie-arma is still stuck on AoE2
06:45 <Lucifer> probably am, didn't play much civ2
06:45 <GodTodd> yeah...civ1 might have
06:45 <GodTodd> i played the hell outta civ2
06:45 <GodTodd> heh
06:45 <Lucifer> I found the code that tells you the year/turn computation algorithm
06:45 <Lucifer> in common/game.c, around line 440
06:45 <Stewie-arma> blah blah blah civ civ civ blah blah blah blah
06:46 <Lucifer> this is in beta6
06:46 <Lucifer>  /ignore Stewie-arma
06:46 <Stewie-arma> hey, the catholic church is right!
06:46 <Lucifer> in case you wanted to double-check my math.  the whole world (besides stewie-arma) knows I'm horrible with arithmetic
06:46 <Stewie-arma> lol
06:47 <Stewie-arma> Lucifer you know I have been gone a long time
06:47 <Stewie-arma> people forget
06:47 <Lucifer> you're about to be gone a long time again :)
06:47  * GodTodd has known that for nigh on a decade and a half or so ;)
06:47 <Lucifer> so quit annoying me
06:47 <Stewie-arma> I am lol
06:47 <Stewie-arma> we should all become Calvinist...
06:48  * GodTodd would prefer to be Hobbesist
06:48  * Lucifer continues to be a Turdist
06:48  * GodTodd is probably dating himself with a calvin and hobbes reference :/
06:48 <Stewie-arma> naw I got it
06:48 <Lucifer> nah, I thought the same thing
06:49 <Lucifer> but I got scared today when my wife didn't understand a PHB reference
06:49 <Stewie-arma> hmmm
06:49 <GodTodd> phb? (just got home from watching the killing fields...might be a bit catholic...er...slow)
06:50 <Lucifer> pointy-haired boss
06:50 <GodTodd> ah
06:50 <GodTodd> haha
06:50 <Lucifer> she's probably going to work at HEB, and she said they'd pay for her to go to school (which is cool)
06:51 <Lucifer> then she speculated that they'd only pay for a business degree
06:51 <GodTodd> hrmm...depends
06:51 <Lucifer> at which I told her she'd be a pointy-haired boss, and we'd be permanently and irreconcilably incompatible
06:51 <GodTodd> haha
06:51  * GodTodd gets that strip emailed everyday.
06:51 <Lucifer> and she said "What's a pointy-haired boss?"
06:52 <GodTodd> did you say it's a boss with pointy hair?
06:52 <GodTodd> :)
06:52 <Lucifer> no, she got enough of the connotations (and knows me well enough) to know what i meant
06:52 <Lucifer> amazing how that works, but it would be helpful if she was more acquainted with the source
06:52 <GodTodd> heh
06:53 <GodTodd> truly
06:56 <GodTodd> i really want to write this next book :/
06:56 <GodTodd> dammit
06:56 <Lucifer> then write it
06:56 <spidey> Lucifer: ping
06:56 <Stewie-arma> what was the first one about?
06:56 <Lucifer> spidey: dong
06:56 <spidey> can you see teamchat in armagetron as a spectator?
06:56 <Lucifer> no
06:56 <GodTodd> i want to devote more attention to it than i have time to right now :/
06:56 <spidey> gay
06:56 <Lucifer> you're not on a team when you're a spectator
06:56 <spidey> heh
06:57 <Lucifer> GodTodd: ah, same problem I have with eugenics
06:57 <GodTodd> Stewie-arma: weren't you listening? it's about 375 pages
06:57  * Stewie-arma loves the teamchat viewing on trem
06:57 <GodTodd> Lucifer: yep
06:57  * Lucifer is truly laughing out loud
06:57 <Stewie-arma> Todd the subject is 375 pages?
06:57 <GodTodd> roughly
06:57 <GodTodd> tho i stretch it in spots
06:57 <Stewie-arma> nice
06:57 <Lucifer> well, there's subplots and shit
06:57 <GodTodd> yeah
06:57 <Lucifer> and there's a page intentionally left blank
06:57 <GodTodd> OB love story and all
06:57 <Stewie-arma> aww what are the subplots of 375 pages?
06:58 <GodTodd> hard telling...some pages have plot *and* subplot
06:58 <Stewie-arma> e gad
06:58 <GodTodd> probably couple hundred pages anyway
06:58 <Lucifer> there's even some pages with 3 characters on them
06:59 <Stewie-arma> OEG!!! 3 characters on one page?
06:59 <Lucifer> man, I need a new story to write
06:59 <GodTodd> i might even do a rewrite of that book
06:59 <GodTodd> better it up a bit
06:59 <GodTodd> sometime
06:59 <Stewie-arma> an authors edition?
06:59 <GodTodd> :/
06:59 <Lucifer> I'm really down because the story I was going to write turned out to already be told, and I had the misfortune of reading that book right after i started mine :(
06:59 <GodTodd> no...i'm a writer not an auther
06:59 <GodTodd> author*
06:59 <Stewie-arma> YOU WILL BECOME ONE DARN IT!
07:00 <GodTodd> Lucifer: i hate when that happens
07:00 <Lucifer> Stewie-arma: nah, author is a fancy way of saying "pretentious writer"
07:00 <Stewie-arma> is he not?
07:00 <Lucifer> no, he's not
07:00 <Stewie-arma> awwww
07:00 <GodTodd> nah...author is someone who is *paid* to be a pretentious writer
07:00 <Lucifer> think about it, he doesn't say he's going to write a book and then take 15 years to write a prologue
07:00 <Lucifer> he says he's going to write a book, and then writes it
07:00 <Lucifer> secondly, he doesn't write a book and then claim it's art
07:01 <GodTodd> i *could* salinger it....
07:01 <Lucifer> I could salinate it too
07:01 <GodTodd> that gives me 20 years or so to write a second one :)
07:01 <Lucifer> er, thats not waht you said
07:01 <Lucifer> so the two reasons people become pretentious writers don't apply to him
07:01 <Lucifer> see?
07:01  * GodTodd wonders if schools still recommend catcher in the rye...
07:02  * Lucifer tries to avoid reading books recommended by schools
07:02  * Stewie-arma tries to avoid books recommended by Lucifer
07:02 <GodTodd> dammit...i wanna be a pretentious writer
07:02 <GodTodd> :(
07:02 <Lucifer> then claim your writing is art
07:02  * GodTodd prints up a manuscript and frames it
07:02 <Lucifer> or do what the really annoying psycho chick in my speech class does
07:02 <GodTodd> there...art :)
07:02 <Lucifer> "I'm writing a novel, and I've been working on it for seven years..."
07:03 <Stewie-arma> btw what was the story of your book GodTodd?
07:03 <Lucifer> it was about some damn high school kid who kept asking really lame questions
07:03 <Lucifer> got his ass kicked, iirc
07:03 <GodTodd> i had worked on mine for 3 years...then i sat down one summer and wrote the goddamned thing
07:03 <Stewie-arma> nice
07:03 <GodTodd> think it took around 6 weeks of constant writing
07:03 <Stewie-arma> ??
07:03 <Stewie-arma> woops
07:04 <Stewie-arma> in that summer?
07:04 <Lucifer> well, good stories take awhile to form, but, man, I'm so sick of people telling me they're authors because they've been writing the *same* book for 8 years
07:04 <GodTodd> Lucifer: i agree
07:04 <Stewie-arma> I'm an author
07:04 <Stewie-arma> I've been writing the same word for 10 years
07:04 <Stewie-arma> infact
07:04 <GodTodd> that's why i had to do it...i was becoming one of those people and i *detest* them
07:04 <Lucifer> maybe if we were still stuck in penland that would be reasonable, but not in our computerized era
07:04 <Lucifer> haha
07:05 <Lucifer> well, I've now abandoned two books in my adult life after actually starting them
07:05 <GodTodd> and i learned a lot from it even though it's only moderately passable
07:05 <Lucifer> the first one just got dumb in the first 20 pages
07:05 <Lucifer> see, that's the thing
07:05  * Stewie-arma can't write shit...
07:05 <Lucifer> it's why those asshats will never become published writers, in fact ;)
07:05 <Stewie-arma> it turns out looking like shir
07:05 <GodTodd> i've got an 80 page one that i'm stuck on still...maybe i'll revisit that one
07:06 <Lucifer> every writer that i've read tells you you have to write somewhere near 1,000,000 words before you can claim to be writer, and before you'll have something someone thinks is publishable
07:06 <GodTodd> another is stuck around 45 pages
07:06 <GodTodd> yeah...i've read that a lot too
07:06 <Stewie-arma> I can't write books
07:06 <Lucifer> well, it's one thing to start a bunch of books and cycle through them, working on them a little at a time, too
07:06 <Lucifer> that's what piers anthony does
07:06 <Stewie-arma> I can't even write a 10 page essay
07:06 <GodTodd> and that even if you write a novel and immediately burn it, it's valuable because you will have learned a lot
07:06 <Lucifer> and I guarantee you he didn't start that way, putting out 3 books a year
07:06 <Stewie-arma> with out it being extremely boring
07:07 <Lucifer> maybe he's not still doing it, but he was for awhile
07:07 <GodTodd> piers tried linux for a while
07:07 <Lucifer> did he really?  I hadn't heard that
07:07 <GodTodd> yeah
07:07 <Stewie-arma> OEG
07:07 <GodTodd> he didn't like it tho
07:07 <Stewie-arma> I g2g
07:07 <GodTodd> but he *hates* winders
07:07 <Lucifer> wtf is OEG?
07:07 <Stewie-arma> Oh Everyones God
07:07 <Lucifer> of course he hates winders
07:07 <Stewie-arma> lol
07:08 <Lucifer> the good authors all use macs :)
07:08  * Stewie-arma uses mac...
07:08  * Stewie-arma isn't a good author
07:08  * Stewie-arma isn't an author
07:08 <GodTodd> yeah...on the many books at a time thing..didn't he write one book completely in the margins of another?
07:08 <Lucifer> I didn't say everyone who uses a mac is a good author
07:08 <Lucifer> pretty much, he did that all the time
07:08 <Stewie-arma> Lucifer thus why I'm not a good author
07:08 <Lucifer> at any point in time, he was working on three books
07:09 <Lucifer> and his notes were all kind of jumbled together, so he'd have to go through and factor them every now and then
07:09 <Lucifer> neat stuff
07:09 <GodTodd> i liked xanth...till i wasn't in high school anymore
07:09 <GodTodd> heh
07:09 <Lucifer> same here
07:09 <Lucifer> I tried to read more xanth when i was like 20, and just got sick of it
07:09 <GodTodd> same here
07:09 <Lucifer> never read any more piers anthony after that
07:09 <Lucifer> not sure why
07:09 <GodTodd> once in a while i go to his site to see if he's still alive
07:09 <Lucifer> wait, I read the Bio of a Tyrant series as an adult
07:10 <Lucifer> Bio of a space tyrant*
07:10 <Lucifer> that's probably what turned me off to him completely
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07:10 <GodTodd> never did read that one
07:10 <Lucifer> his books are great for teenagers, and I'll gladly recommend them to my own kids
07:10 <GodTodd> yep
07:10 <Lucifer> and that's about as much as I'm willin to do now :)
07:10 <GodTodd> apprentice adept was good
07:10 <Lucifer> didn't try reading that as an adult
07:11 <GodTodd> nor have i
07:11 <Lucifer> but see, I'm so sick of magic and shit now
07:11 <GodTodd> and i might should keep it that way...i remember it fondly :)
07:11 <Lucifer> there's so much that writers lose in the story when they get lost in the magic and myth and shit
07:11 <GodTodd> nah...i could read the belgariad and mallorean over and over
07:11 <GodTodd> matter of fact, i have :)
07:12 <Lucifer> those are good stories, though
07:12 <GodTodd> strong characters
07:12 <Lucifer> they don't get lost in the magic and myth and shit, he's a very good writer
07:12 <GodTodd> that's what makes it
07:12 <Lucifer> well, strong in the belgariad
07:12 <GodTodd> they are*
07:12 <Lucifer> in the  mallorean they were all copies of one another
07:12 <GodTodd> he's admitted his wife did about as much writing on it as he did
07:12 <Lucifer> oh yeah, sorry, forot he finally started crediting his wife ;)
07:12 <GodTodd> yep
07:13 <Lucifer> well, at the time they were both unpublished, and publishers don't like team books from unknowns
07:13 <GodTodd> yeah...the mallorean is pretty much another belgariad with slight differences
07:13 <GodTodd> yep
07:13 <GodTodd> silk was da bomb
07:13 <GodTodd> :)
07:13 <GodTodd> heh
07:13 <Lucifer> yeah, the mallorean was like cheap sequel
07:14 <GodTodd> not so cheap when i was buying them :P
07:14 <Lucifer> he still managed to get into a good story, the portions revolving around the Emporer of Mallorea made the whole series worth reading
07:14 <GodTodd> definitely
07:14 <GodTodd> the king of the murgos was interesting too
07:14 <Lucifer> and seeing a deeper look into Cthol Murgos and their culture really put them into perspective
07:15 <GodTodd> because of the irony
07:15 <Lucifer> heh
07:15 <GodTodd> a drasnian leading the murgos....that was awesome :)
07:16 <GodTodd> but again...notice the parts you liked...it's characterization making the story
07:17 <GodTodd> the eddings' are great studies in how to create characters
07:17 <Lucifer> yeah, and then blow off developing them
07:17 <Lucifer> I'm actually mad at him for blending them all into the same character in that series
07:17 <Lucifer> in the belgariad they were all distinct characters, but somewhere in the middle of the first book in the mallorean, they all became the same character
07:17 <Lucifer> really irritating
07:17 <GodTodd> well...yeah...i think he got kinda lazy in that series
07:18 <GodTodd> i think he was tired of it, really
07:19 <GodTodd> he got lazy all around there...the prophecy was pretty much the same...essentially the same task (stones instead of a god)...etc
07:20 <Lucifer> he had some loose ends to tie up, but I don't know that he had to go all into another huge series
07:20 <Lucifer> he could've gone into the biography of Belgarath and tied them up there instead
07:20 <GodTodd> if i didn't know better, i'd swear he mailed the mallorean in
07:20 <GodTodd> just so people would quit requesting more
07:21 <GodTodd> er...phoned it in...whatever the correct cliche there is :)
07:21 <Lucifer> I swear he should've gone into prequels instead of writing the mallorean
07:22 <GodTodd> i agree
07:22 <Lucifer> I've always wanted a book on Maragor
07:22 <GodTodd> ain't agunna happen
07:22 <GodTodd> heh
07:22 <Lucifer> now, going back to the Shannarra books, though, I found the Heritage series does a really good job of getting into the people and the theme
07:22 <Lucifer> he finally stopped getting lost in the magic and myth
07:23 <Lucifer> he started getting the hang of it sometime in the Wishsong, but he really nailed it in the Heritage books
07:23 <GodTodd> i still have to read the latest shanarras
07:23 <Lucifer> I haven't read anything past the heritage books
07:23 <GodTodd> we have them all
07:23 <GodTodd> karen loves them
07:23 <Lucifer> well, I read the one where they make the sword.  That was a good book too.
07:23 <GodTodd> is that first king?
07:23 <GodTodd> the prequel?
07:23 <Lucifer> tells about Bremen, allanon makes his first appearance
07:24 <Lucifer> yeah, that's the one
07:24 <GodTodd> yeah
07:24 <Lucifer> really good book, in fact
07:24 <GodTodd> that's the next one i have to read
07:24 <Lucifer> read it xxx times :)
07:24 <GodTodd> once i get a chance :/
07:24 <Lucifer> well, between that and the heritage books, you finally figure out what's so important about the sword itself
07:24 <Lucifer> and it all finally comes together nicely
07:25 <Lucifer> so you finish it and say "I can't believe the Sword of Shannarra sucked so bad"
07:25 <GodTodd> i might have to reread the heritage books
07:25 <Lucifer> literally, you think the sword and elfstones are the best books in the series until you finally figure it out
07:25 <GodTodd> heh
07:25 <Lucifer> then you realize they weren't *that8 good, in fact they weren't good at all!  ;)
07:25 <Lucifer> 726 pages of "one foot in front of the other"
07:26 <GodTodd> yep...that's how i remember it
07:26 <Lucifer> I'm traumatized by it
07:26 <GodTodd> haha
07:26 <Lucifer> I think I like the elfstones because it was half the size :)
07:26 <GodTodd> yeah the other books were a breeze once you got through terry's tolstoy impression
07:26 <Lucifer> his characters didn't start picking up that third dimension until the wishsong
07:27 <Lucifer> so his story was lacking that all-important human element until then
07:27 <GodTodd> i remember brin being really hot on the cover ;)
07:27 <Lucifer> but then the whole deal with brin and her brother, that whole interaction, just makes my day
07:27 <Lucifer> yeah, chicks are always hot on the cover of fantasy/sci fi books
07:28 <GodTodd> yeah...probably a lot of the reasone they're popular with teen boys ;)
07:28 <GodTodd> reason*
07:28 <Lucifer> I think the biggest reason I like the Heritage books is because he finally tells a fantasy story in a science fiction way :)
07:28 <Lucifer> when I finally got the environmentalist tree-hugging theme in the book, it was one of those days that starts the rest of your life
07:28 <GodTodd> haha
07:29 <GodTodd> should i reread the heritage books first or do first king then reread?
07:29 <Lucifer> seriously!  All these fantasy stories that get into the magic and myth and shit and have no relevance in any way to anything that matters really get on my nerves
07:30 <Lucifer> well, the heritage books take awhile to read
07:30 <Lucifer> you have to read in detail
07:30 <Lucifer> first king is a breeze, it's his easiest writing ever
07:30 <Lucifer> even easier to read than Hook
07:30 <GodTodd> heh
07:30 <GodTodd> don't remind him of hook
07:30 <GodTodd> he hated that
07:30 <Lucifer> I think he gave up trying to be all melodramatic in that book
07:30 <Lucifer> I don't blame him, I hated it too :)
07:30 <GodTodd> i have a book by him about writing
07:30 <Lucifer> the writing is on the order of the magic kingdom books, actually
07:30 <GodTodd> it's a good book
07:31 <GodTodd> they're making that into a movie too
07:31 <GodTodd> he's about to roll in dough
07:31 <GodTodd> (like he's not already)
07:31 <Lucifer> I'll bet the magic kingdom books will rock as movies
07:32 <GodTodd> yeah...i think they will
07:32 <GodTodd> as long as they do them right
07:32 <Lucifer> I think it would take a *lot* for hollywood to screw them up
07:32 <Lucifer> well, the first one anyway
07:32 <GodTodd> tho i can't imagine being able to mess them up
07:32 <GodTodd> heh
07:32 <Lucifer> the other two they could easily screw up, probably
07:33 <GodTodd> they stopping at the first 3 you think?
07:33 <Lucifer> there's more after that?
07:33 <GodTodd> yep
07:33 <GodTodd> there's 5 or 6 total
07:33 <GodTodd> maybe 7
07:33  * Lucifer is starting to show how long it's been since he even went inside the fantasy aisle of a book store.
07:33 <GodTodd> don't remember
07:34 <Lucifer> I thought he'd pretty much ended the series in the third book, but maybe he pulled a xanthony and kept going
07:34 <Lucifer> hey, remember that conversation we had about pretentious alien races?
07:35 <Lucifer> you know, where writers seem to get lost in alien names, but they're casting the alien race as a shallow archetype anyway?
07:35 <GodTodd> thing is...i haven't been in a fantasy iasle(except half price books) in years
07:35 <GodTodd> aisle*
07:35 <GodTodd> yeah
07:36 <Lucifer> http://www.webscription.net/p-88-the-course-of-empire.aspx
07:36 <Lucifer> it's in the free library, so you can just read it :)
07:36 <Lucifer> unless you badly want to read some other book, this is the one I'd recommend right now
07:37 <Lucifer> it totally breaks the mold for sci-fi ilens, it's awesome
07:37 <Lucifer> I want *every* sci-fi author to write their alien races to those standards
07:38 <GodTodd> heh
07:43 <GodTodd> ffs...wtf is up with the cyan on bright babyshit yellow???
07:45 <GodTodd> ah...there's currently 5 MKFSS books
07:45 <GodTodd> but...
07:45 <GodTodd> Future Writings
07:45 <GodTodd> Terry Brooks plans to write another (so far unnamed) novel in the Magic Kingdom series later this year, after he finishes writing the third volume in the Genesis of Shannara trilogy.
07:47 <Lucifer> man, I love hard boiled eggs
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14:31 <flex> greetings :)
14:32 <luke-jr> hi
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16:35 <spidey> that luke-jr${noob} guy
16:35 <spidey> he sux
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17:34 <luke-jr> u sux
17:36 <spidey> u
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18:29 <spidey> luke smells like GodTodd's vagina
18:29 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr] by ChanServ
18:29 <spidey> ORLU?!
18:29 <spidey> -U+T
18:29 <@luke-jr> wtf
18:30 <spidey> ftw?
18:30  * luke-jr sets mode +s spidey
18:30 <spidey> ...
18:30 <spidey> luke-jr: civ
18:30 <Gursikh> now do +q
18:30 <Gursikh> >_>
18:30 <@luke-jr> +s = sit-in-the-corner
18:30 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr] by luke-jr
18:30 <spidey> Gursikh: this is freenode
18:30 <Gursikh> I know
18:30  * luke-jr notes spidey is the only who has taken 2 days to click Turn Done
18:30 <spidey> they don't have +q
18:30 <Gursikh> yes they do
18:30 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr] by ChanServ
18:31 -!- mode/#armagetron [+b %spidey!*@*] by luke-jr
18:31 <@luke-jr> clearly they do
18:31 <Gursikh> +q = +%b
18:31 <@luke-jr> Gursikh: wtf?
18:31 <Gursikh> see? that shut him up
18:31 -!- mode/#armagetron [-b %spidey!*@*] by luke-jr
18:31 <spidey> ...
18:31 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr] by luke-jr
18:31 <Gursikh> +q = mute
18:31 <spidey> freenodes +q is lame
18:31 <luke-jr> FreeNode's +q is +q :þ
18:31 <Gursikh> yah
18:31 <luke-jr> so spidey
18:31 <spidey> freenode's +q is lame
18:31 <luke-jr> you gonna ever press Turn Done?
18:32 <spidey> i've been playing for the past 2 days
18:32 <spidey> xD
18:32 <luke-jr> liar
18:32 <spidey> ...
18:32 <spidey> i have
18:32 <spidey> me and wired
18:32 <luke-jr> o
18:32 <spidey> since you wouldn't set allowtake
18:32 <spidey> :p
18:32 <luke-jr> I timed out and didn't notice
18:32 <spidey> not on your server
18:32 <luke-jr> so I need to restore the savegame..
18:32 <spidey> i'm running one
18:32 <spidey> no
18:33 <spidey> because you didn't set allow take
18:33 <spidey> :P
18:33 <luke-jr> whatever
18:33 <spidey> u
18:33 <luke-jr> u
18:33 <spidey> no u
18:33 <luke-jr> civ?
18:33 <spidey> xfiles?
18:33 <luke-jr> civ?
18:33 <luke-jr> X-Files Civ
18:33 <luke-jr> :o
18:33 <spidey> i've neglected teh xfiles
18:33 <luke-jr> so what
18:33 <luke-jr> they're not going anywhere
18:33 <spidey> so what?!?!?!
18:33 <spidey> they are to!
18:33 <luke-jr> …
18:33 <luke-jr> ci
18:33 <luke-jr> v
18:34  * Gursikh files them away
18:34 <spidey> my slave hdd is starting to sprout legs
18:34 <luke-jr> Gursikh: civ
18:34 <spidey> only thing keeping it in place is the ata cabl
18:34 <Gursikh> uhm never played?
18:34 <spidey> cable
18:34 <spidey> :(
18:34 <Gursikh> what protocol is netwrok play oveR?
18:34 <luke-jr> TCP
18:34 <spidey> ..
18:34 <spidey> it's a RTS turn based game
18:34 <Gursikh> i'm in class right now, this school's network blocks all udp
18:35 <luke-jr> it's fscking TCP I just said
18:35 <Gursikh> yah yah, just explaining myself dude
18:35 <Gursikh> can I apt-get it?
18:35 <luke-jr> yes
18:35 <luke-jr> do they block TCP port 5555?
18:35 <luke-jr> if so, I can PAT it
18:35 <luke-jr> spidey: civ
18:35 <Gursikh> guess we'll find out
18:36 <spidey> u
18:36 <Gursikh> or we can wait till I get home in 20 mins
18:37 <Gursikh> ok, i'm aptgetting. I guess I will expect ownage and ridicule from you guys till I learn how to play sometime next year?
18:37 <spidey> well
18:37 <spidey> not from luke
18:37 <spidey> he sucks
18:38 <luke-jr> not anymore
18:38 <spidey> and as long as you're one of those guys that listens, it'll be fine :P
18:38 <spidey> luke-jr: just cause you can kill some ai's doesn't mean you don't suck
18:38 <spidey> Lucifer: does luke-jr${noob}suck at freeciv?
18:38 <luke-jr> spidey: hachi 5555 luser
18:39 <spidey> u
18:39 <luke-jr> I did
18:39 <Gursikh> ok i'll be back in like 10 mins to play
18:39 <spidey> for some reason
18:39 <Gursikh> drive home quick >_>
18:39 <spidey> hachi doesn't work for me anymore
18:40 <luke-jr> cuz your DHCP reloaded your DNS config
18:40 <luke-jr> :þ
18:40 <luke-jr> add .dashjr.org
18:40 <spidey> ?
18:40 <luke-jr> Gursikh: why
18:40 <Gursikh> class over
18:40 <luke-jr> so?
18:40 <Gursikh> home time
18:40 <luke-jr> …
18:40 <Gursikh> no more clasases today
18:40 <luke-jr> what if we don't wait?
18:41 <Gursikh> oh well?
18:41 <spidey> LIES
18:41 <luke-jr> spidey: is jabber.org totally down?
18:42 <spidey> YES
18:42 <spidey> -caps
18:42 <spidey> because they're lame
18:42 <spidey> o
18:42 <spidey> they're up
18:42 <spidey> why aren't you online?
18:43 <luke-jr> they're not up
18:43 <luke-jr> at least their s2s end is down
18:43 <spidey> are so
18:43 <spidey> i'm on it
18:43 <spidey> and see anjori
18:43 <luke-jr> and you can talk to people not @jabber.org?
18:43 <spidey> guess not :D
18:43 <luke-jr> :þ
18:43 <spidey> as i said
18:43 <spidey> find me a short stupid domain :P
18:44 <spidey> so i can run my own jabber server >.>
18:44 <luke-jr> I did
18:44 <luke-jr> why don't you use fallin-angels.org?
18:44 <spidey> even my p2 box is more reliable than jabber.org
18:44 <spidey> :S
18:44 <spidey> 'cause i don't have dns control over it like i did fallin-angels.net and fallin-angels.com
18:44 <spidey> :P
18:44 <luke-jr> so get it
18:44 <luke-jr> :þ
18:45 <spidey> and the free dns host thing anjori is using doesn't serv svr records
18:45 <luke-jr> stupid anjori
18:45 <spidey> heh
18:45 <luke-jr> I think everydns.net does
18:46 <spidey> luke-jr: my brother broke my gentoo backup disk =/.
18:46 <luke-jr> spidey: so make him pay for it
18:46 <luke-jr> :þ
18:46 <spidey> heh
18:47 <spidey> we should get free 100mbit broadband lines
18:47 <spidey> like japan has :(
18:47 <luke-jr> um
18:47 <luke-jr> not free
18:47 <luke-jr> dork
18:52 <luke-jr> Gursikh:
18:52 <luke-jr> Gursikh:
18:55 <Gursikh> hmm?
18:56 <Gursikh> host?
18:56 <Gursikh> luke-jr:
18:56 <Gursikh> luke-jr:
18:56 <Gursikh> spidey:
18:56 <Gursikh> ?
18:56 <spidey> Gursikh:
18:56 <spidey> Gursikh:
18:56 <spidey> Gursikh:
18:56 <spidey> ?
18:56 <Gursikh> game?
18:57 <luke-jr> hachi.dashjr.org 5555
19:07 <Gursikh> yeah totally not doing anything
19:13 <Gursikh> bah wtf crashed
19:14 <spidey> freeciv is buggy
19:14 <Gursikh> ...
19:14 <spidey> especially the windows client
19:15 <Gursikh> i'm on ubuntu
19:18 <luke-jr> Gursikh: hurry up
19:18 <Gursikh> blargh
19:20 <Gursikh> I have no clue what to do
19:20 <Gursikh> i'm just clicking randomly
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19:30 <spidey> Gursikh: ever play civilization?
19:30 <Gursikh> nope
19:30 <spidey> =/
19:30  * Gursikh didnt play many games before trem
19:30 <Gursikh> played armagetron and doom in highschool, other than NES, that's about it
19:31 <Gursikh> <-- not much of a gamer
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19:36 <MrBougo> http://www.basicinstructions.net/images/30cheat.gif
19:36 <MrBougo> haha
19:37 <Gursikh> yeah dude's totally not my kind of game
19:42 <MrBougo> http://www.basicinstructions.net/2007/09/how-to-seem-smart.html
19:42 <MrBougo> haha awesome
19:42 <MrBougo> love the 4th panel
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20:15 <spidey> #send Gursikh anthrax
20:15 <armabot> I have sent anthrax to Gursikh, it should arrive shortly.
20:15 <luke-jr> …
20:17 <wrtlprnft> #help send
20:17 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (send <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "echo I have sent $* to $1, it should arrive shortly.".
20:17 <luke-jr> lol
20:17 <wrtlprnft> #send luke-jr some sunscreen
20:17 <armabot> I have sent some sunscreen to luke-jr, it should arrive shortly.
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20:39 <wrtlprnft> #serverdetails -v osted with li
20:39 <armabot> wrtlprnft: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “osted with li” at the moment, sorry.
20:39 <wrtlprnft> #serverdetails -v s} c
20:39 <armabot> wrtlprnft: {Delicious Desserts} Custom Map (64.18.140.140:4536) running 0.2.8_alpha20070609 unix dedic, url: http://www.DeliciousDesserts.co.nr, Description: “Keep it a fun environment for everyone! Happily hosted with LightFoot!“, No online players.
20:40 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: nice advertising
20:42 <luke-jr> eh?
20:52 <guru3> anyone with a jabber account on a server that supports cross server messaging?
21:00 <luke-jr> um
21:00 <luke-jr> what server doesn't?
21:01 <luke-jr> translation: pretty much all of us
21:02 <luke-jr> guru3:
21:03 <guru3> well my uni has setup jabber
21:03 <guru3> and i want to see if i can message off server
21:04 <luke-jr> what JID?
21:04 <wrtlprnft> wrtlprnft@jabber.org
21:04 <wrtlprnft> no clue what that server supports
21:04 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: bad example
21:04 <wrtlprnft> all i know is that it regularily drops my connection
21:04 <luke-jr> jabber.org is currently broken
21:05 <luke-jr> yeah
21:05 <wrtlprnft> broken from a luke-jr point of view? that can't be too bad
21:05 <luke-jr> jabber.org sucks ☹
21:05 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: broken on s2s
21:05 <luke-jr> which is exactly what guru3 wants to test
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21:06 <luke-jr> guru3?
21:06 <luke-jr> jid?
21:06 <MrBougo> install of kubuntu was a TOTAL FAILURE
21:06 <MrBougo> fuck grub
21:06 <luke-jr> told you
21:07 <MrBougo> luke-jr: was not because of kubuntu itself
21:07 <luke-jr> grub works fine
21:07 <MrBougo> but because of grub
21:07 <MrBougo> yea, grub writes more than it should on the MBR
21:07 <MrBougo> it totally messed up my dell mbr
21:07 <luke-jr> nonsense
21:07 <guru3> nm
21:07 <guru3> alreayd found it works
21:07 <luke-jr> your "Dell MBR" is broken
21:08 <luke-jr> guru3: yeah, so what JID so I can add you?
21:08 <MrBougo> and it freaking installed itself on the TWO DISKS
21:08  * wrtlprnft has a dell and grub works
21:08 <pavelo> can't you install it somewhere else ?
21:08 <MrBougo> on the... TWO... disks
21:08 <wrtlprnft> but i wrote the config file myself :)
21:08 <MrBougo> wrtlprnft: did you install grub in the mbr?
21:08 <MrBougo> the damn thing about dell is the damn mediadirect thingy
21:08 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:08 <wrtlprnft> well, fuck the mediadirect thingy
21:08 <MrBougo> yup
21:09 <MrBougo> but i prefer having a normal system
21:09 <MrBougo> wrtlprnft: is your touchpad a synaptic one?
21:09 <luke-jr> mediadirect is just a minimal Linux anyway
21:09 <luke-jr> MrBougo: synaptic works on most
21:09 <MrBougo> luke-jr: and it requires an "extended" mbr
21:09 <MrBougo> luke-jr: i know
21:09 <MrBougo> but mine is an ALPS
21:09  * wrtlprnft wonders if he ever booted the windows partition on his notebook
21:09 <MrBougo> fuck ALPS
21:09 <MrBougo> there's a bug in the linux kernel
21:10 <MrBougo> it doesnt identify ALPS touchpads
21:10 <wrtlprnft> MrBougo: dunno, actually, but i suspect it is
21:10 <MrBougo> so i get a nice "PS/2 Generic"
21:10 <MrBougo> synaptic are better touchpads
21:10 <MrBougo> i think
21:10 <MrBougo> at least the drivers aren't shit
21:10 <wrtlprnft> scrolling doesn't work with my touchpad
21:10 <MrBougo> that's it
21:10 <wrtlprnft> but tapping does, that's enough for me
21:10 <MrBougo> and mid-button simulation?
21:10 <wrtlprnft> sort of
21:10 <MrBougo> i hate tapping :p
21:11 <MrBougo> disabled it
21:11 <wrtlprnft> if i plug in a mouse and unplug it again it stops working
21:11 <wrtlprnft> don't ask me why
21:11 <MrBougo> haha
21:11 <MrBougo> blame the kernel
21:11 <luke-jr> MrBougo: the linux kernel doesn't care about what touchpad it is idiot
21:11 <MrBougo> is it an inspiron 1420 something?
21:11  * wrtlprnft blames the kernel
21:11 <wrtlprnft> 640m
21:11 <MrBougo> oh
21:11 <MrBougo> because dell relesed a fix for 1420 something
21:11 <wrtlprnft> right now the middle button thing doesn't work
21:11 <MrBougo> for deb base linuxes though
21:12 <luke-jr> btw
21:12 <MrBougo> mh?
21:12 <luke-jr> it's  not Linux's fault you bought a laptop with buggy and poorly supported hardware
21:12 <luke-jr> I warned you
21:12 <MrBougo> hehe
21:12 <MrBougo> :p
21:12 <MrBougo> np
21:12 <wrtlprnft> maybe i'll follow http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Synaptics_Touchpad
21:12 <wrtlprnft> see if it improves things
21:12 <MrBougo> there's a bug with grub, isnt there?
21:13 <MrBougo> if you install it on the sec. drive
21:13 <wrtlprnft> i only have one drive
21:13 <MrBougo> it goes (hd0,0) even if its the 2nd drive
21:14 <wrtlprnft> did you check whether grub's drives are in the same order as linux's?
21:14 <wrtlprnft> i had a system that had /dev/hda1 → (hd1,0) and /dev/hdb1 → (hd0,0)
21:14 <MrBougo> ouchy
21:14 <MrBougo> gotta map, then?
21:15 <MrBougo> well, i dont know
21:15 <MrBougo> the disk on which grub was installed was (hd0,0)
21:15 <MrBougo> um (hd0) i mean
21:15 <wrtlprnft> well, the system changed since then, now it's the same order
21:15 <MrBougo> and it installed on the two disks
21:15 <MrBougo> how did this change
21:15 <MrBougo> grub cant be random
21:16 <wrtlprnft> that pc is totally messed up, anyways. won't recognize my sata disks unless i hotplug them. luckily i never reboot it
21:16 <MrBougo> i hate how most computers don't have a floppy drive anymore
21:16  * wrtlprnft hasn't used a floppy in ages
21:16 <MrBougo> aw
21:16 <wrtlprnft> my server still has a floppy drive
21:16 <MrBougo> boot floppies are uber-useful
21:17 <wrtlprnft> knoppix CDs FTW
21:17 <MrBougo> FOR EXAMPLE YOU CAN INSTALL GRUB ON IT
21:17 <MrBougo> AHA
21:17 <MrBougo> i hate grub
21:17 <MrBougo> hatehatehate
21:17 <wrtlprnft> start knoppix, then start grub from its command line
21:17 <MrBougo> or make a grub bootable cd :/
21:17 <MrBougo> oh god
21:18 <MrBougo> installing some kilobytes on a 700 megs cd
21:18 <MrBougo> tell me what's wrong
21:18 <MrBougo> oh, i could install grub on an UBCD
21:18 <MrBougo> do you know about that UBCD?
21:18 <wrtlprnft> fill the rest with pr0n
21:18 <MrBougo> hehe
21:18 <MrBougo> i dont have any
21:18 <wrtlprnft> i know there's mini CD thingies
21:19 <MrBougo> haha
21:19 <MrBougo> cd's are cheaper
21:19 <MrBougo> why would i buy a mini cd
21:19 <wrtlprnft> but no clue what UBCD is
21:19 <MrBougo> Ultimate Boot CD
21:19 <wrtlprnft> because it fits inside a floppy drive?
21:19 <MrBougo> it's nice
21:19 <MrBougo> full of tools
21:19 <MrBougo> muh, it fits in a floppy drive
21:20 <MrBougo> but it wont work :p
21:20 <MrBougo> whateva
21:20 <MrBougo> eek, gotta run
21:20 <wrtlprnft> cya
21:20 <MrBougo> cya!
21:20 <MrBougo> gnight
21:20 <MrBougo> err
21:20 <wrtlprnft> run to bed!
21:20 <MrBougo> CTCP is the end of communication
21:20 <MrBougo> bye :p
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21:20 <wrtlprnft> same time zone
21:21  * luke-jr pokes guru3
21:29 <spidey> #night
21:30 <armabot> Good night spidey!
21:52 <Lucifer> #weather 78717
21:52 <armabot> Lucifer: The current temperature in Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 86.2°F (2:52 PM CDT on October 10, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: 53.6°F. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Falling).
21:52 -!- ghableska [i=user@12-216-106-77.client.mchsi.com] has joined #armagetron
21:52 <ghableska> #weather 50266
21:52 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 51.6°F (2:48 PM CDT on October 10, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 35.6°F. Pressure: 29.15 in 987.0 hPa (Falling).
21:52 <ghableska> D:
21:54 <wrtlprnft> is there anyone actually developing GNOME? :(
21:55 <wrtlprnft> it's disappointing if you provide them with a patch for a two year old bug and noone even bothers to reply: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155974
21:55 <ghableska> :o
22:02 <epsy> they need to pay patchers
22:02 <epsy> could be a good job
22:13 <wrtlprnft> #later tell MrBougo* I just restarted X, the touchpad works perfectly. scrolling and all that. synclient works, too, so i'll do some tweaking so noone but me can use the touchpad :D
22:13 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
22:16 <wrtlprnft> woot, i can even generate a middle click by tapping with two fingers at once!
22:16 <wrtlprnft> 22:16 <wrtlprnft> woot, i can even generate a middle click by tapping with two fingers at once!
22:21 <Lucifer> [15:19] <wrtlprnft> 22:16 <wrtlprnft> woot, i can even generate a middle click by tapping with two fingers at once!
22:22 <Lucifer> I disabled the simulate three buttons with two buttons feature
22:29 <wrtlprnft> i still like it :)
22:30 <wrtlprnft> with my current config i have 7 emulated buttons without using any real buttons at all :)
22:37 <Lucifer> I love hard boiled eggs
22:38 <Lucifer> I disabled the three button simulation so I could see if there were any features hidden by it, since I have a three button mouse
22:42 <wrtlprnft> ah
22:42 <wrtlprnft> well, my mouse has three buttons, of course
22:42 <wrtlprnft> but the touchpad doesn't :(
22:43 <epsy> hmm
22:44 <Lucifer> I don't use my touchpad because it's worthless :(
22:44 <Lucifer> it's an alps pad too
22:45 <Lucifer> aha, I need to take the moment around A to eliminate the unknowns rather than introducing new ones
22:47  * epsy is bored O_o
22:50 <Lucifer> grrrr
22:50  * Lucifer was doing the problem all wrong
22:50 <wrtlprnft> how the hell do i tell opera to stop interpreting the million button-5 events i sent to it?
22:50 <epsy>  lol!
22:50 <wrtlprnft> it's cycling through its tabs for 5 minutes now
22:51 <wrtlprnft> ah, finally
22:51 <wrtlprnft> it ran out of scroll events :D
22:51  * wrtlprnft makes a mental note to himself: never do that again!
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23:06 <Lucifer> hmmmmmmmmm, tricky
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