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01:18 <noob7> so besides blocking someone locally, is there some  way of blocking people on IRC serverwise?
01:19 <noob7> *ignoring would be the better word here I guess
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05:36 <Lucifer_arma> noob7: afaik, /ignore is a server command
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.gaycitynews.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=18768968&BRD=2729&PAG=461&dept_id=568864&rfi=6
05:47 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: nope
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/tech/news/5082291.html
05:56 <spidey> u
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> u
06:07 <Lucifer_arma> man, I just found out the only thing I *can* do for my government class is study the textbook
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07:04 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: what else were you planning on doing for your government class?
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> assignments
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> it's a distance learning class
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=191648#191648   :)
07:30 <GodTodd> ahhh...how do you do your assignments, then?
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> right now, I don't :(
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> I'll have a better answer when she posts the first one
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> she's decided to rewrite the course this fall, so instead of just sticking everything up like she'd normally do, she's having to design it first
07:37 <GodTodd> ahhh
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> which means waiting, for me.  I thought that since it was distance learning, I could get an early lead in this class and then spread the remaining work out over a longer period
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> thus reducing the daily load, leaving time for the rest of my classes
07:37  * GodTodd does his physics homework online (and it's not distance learning)
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> I'll still do it, best I can of course, but I have no idea what the potential ramifications of studying the textbook too early could be
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> I might wind up waiting two weeks to take the test and having to restudy :/
07:38 <GodTodd> truly
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> my physics class had the homework online too, and it wasn't distance learning
07:38 <GodTodd> i kinda like it :)
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> but the tests are based on the textbook, the quizzes on something else for which she's posted all the potential links, but she still has to pick specific ones she wants us to do
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> then write the quizzes
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> so instead I'm mostly focusing on statics
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> it's definitely more interesting :)
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> so how does your physics thing work?
07:39 <GodTodd> i have to go through my notebook and figure out what order i need to do my homeworks in
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> the one I did gave you a certain number of tries, and reduced the points you could earn for a correct answer for each wrong answer
07:40 <GodTodd> yep
07:40 <GodTodd> it's the wileyPlus thing
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> multiple choice questions gave you many less tries than there were choices, but free answers usually gave you 10 tries
07:40 <GodTodd> we get 4 tries on each problem
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know what system I used, they removed any notice of what it was from the ui so it could be branded
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> and it was branded for UT
07:40 <GodTodd> ours isn't branded
07:41 <GodTodd> not for ccccd at least
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> (my instructor helped design the computer-based learning systems at UT and got a kickback in the system that he uses at ACC)
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> here's a little trick you might be interested in knowing, though :)
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> when net force is 0 (equilibrium condition), you can put all the forcce vectors in a polygon and use regular trig to find anything you need
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> so if there's only 3 forces, you can use the law of sines
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> obviously if there's more, you have to either use extensions of the law of siines you may know, or break it down into triangles
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> you may have to do some work on the angles to find them, and then afterwards to relate them to the coordinate system again
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> why they waited until statics to mention that, I don't know :)
07:44 <GodTodd> heh
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> also don't know if it works in three dimensions, because we're still doing forces in a plane
07:45 <GodTodd> apparently about the only calculus we'll use in physics I will be the power rule (for derivatives and integrals)
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> really we're doing review of vectors
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> well, there's a few definitions you need to learn in a calculus way
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> like W = F (dot) d
07:46 <GodTodd> yeah...he was just referring to actual math stuff tho
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> and P(ower) = dw/dt
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> F = dW/dd
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> also, W = integral(F)dd
07:47  * GodTodd notes irc needs a math font ;)
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> that sort of thing, and they may throw some problems that require you to use a minimum amount of calculus to solve for the purpose of showing you can do it
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> well, if we had clients that could parse and render latex, we'd just learn that :)
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> the way my courses are structured, the physics and calculus don't really start getting blended until statics, and my statics teacher is promising us we'll need a lot of calculus
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> we better, since calc 3 is a coreq for the course
07:48 <GodTodd> heh
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, graphical analysis
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> all that graphical analysis you learned in calculus really pays off in physics
07:49 <GodTodd> good
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> one of the things the algebra-based physics kids have a real hard time doing is understanding the relationships between position, velocity, and acceleration
07:49 <GodTodd> i wouldn't want to learn all that for nothing
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> but you should have spent a fair amount of time studying those relationships in calc
07:49 <GodTodd> yep
07:49 <GodTodd> calc I
07:50 <GodTodd> they're closely related
07:50 <GodTodd> :)
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> you'll really start to feel it when you do simple harmonic motion, because position is a cos function
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> so velocity is obviously a -sin, and acceleration -cos
07:50 <GodTodd> yep
07:51 <GodTodd> yeah...we spent mucho time-o finding each thing based on an equation expressed with another (with position, velocity, acceleration and jerk)
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> one thing I found interesting that never became obvious was that just like you can take the derivative of a function with respect to any arbitrary variable, whether or not it's actually in the function,
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> you can also take the integral with respect to any arbitrary variable
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> right.  concavity plays in, too
07:52 <GodTodd> yeah...we spent time on that too
07:52 <GodTodd> my calc I class was very good actually for a 5 weeker
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> if they scheduled it the way they schedule the 5.5 weeks classes at my school, you still had all the same lecture time
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> :)
07:53 <GodTodd> (might have to review some of it but should remember it ;))
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> just instead of meeting twicce a week, you met 4 times a week
07:53 <GodTodd> yeah...it was around 16 hrs a week
07:53 <GodTodd> 4 days, 4 hours a day
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> one thing I didn't like about my physics class was that it didn't have enough calculus in it to even be considered practicing
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> so my calc skills rusted a bit :(
07:53 <GodTodd> sounds like the one i'm taking too :/
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> I know, technically I was in calc 4 at the time, but I don't want to go into it :(
07:54 <GodTodd> i have plenty of math beyond calc 2...i'm not going to push it with calc 3 and 4 ;)
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> heh
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you have to take statics (sometimes called structures, apparently), it's looking like it'll be a pretty fun class :)
07:55 <GodTodd> tho i think engineering math will essentially cover the useful parts of calc 3
07:55 <GodTodd> i don't think i do
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> you may not have to for your degree.  It's mechanics, but in-depth
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> it's forces acting on rigid bodies at equilibrium
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> statics + dynamics are in-depth about half of physics 1, near as I can tell
07:56 <GodTodd> yeah...my degree is mostly electronics and programming
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> then I've got fluid dynamics (I guess fluid statics doesn't make much sense), which is a prereq for aerodynamics, and a few other things
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> but those are after I transfer and get into the AE part of the degree
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> does your physics class touch electricity at all?
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> mine didn't, you get into electricity in physics 2
07:58 <GodTodd> my physics lab teacher got his phd in solid state physics by studying the electrical properties of a semiconducter material at 2K
07:58 <GodTodd> the last experiment is Arch. Principle...i don't think we mess with electricity
07:59 <GodTodd> we might
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> probably not, not if archimedes is the last lab
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> that's specific heat, iirc
07:59 <GodTodd> all of our labs are listed at www.ccccd.edu/physics
07:59 <GodTodd> ;)
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> or buoyant forces
08:00 <GodTodd> that's where we go to dl the manuals
08:00 <GodTodd> and get the prelabs
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> you're in uni physics, right?
08:00 <GodTodd> yep
08:00 <GodTodd> uni phys I
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, it feels like its missing a few labs
08:01  * Lucifer_arma counts the labs
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> wait a minute, that's only one lab per week
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> you're getting cheated
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> most instructors at my school do two labs per week :)
08:02 <GodTodd> heh...yeah it's just one per week
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> so I don't see projectile motion, but that may be in 2d motion
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> how long is the lab session?
08:03 <GodTodd> 11:30 - 2:20
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> ours are 1.5-2 hours, so you could have a 4 hour lab and still keep the pace
08:04 <GodTodd> just under 3 hrs
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, they probably just do longer labs then.  Our labs generally focus on just one particular case of a particular topic, and the breadth of coverage is taken up by the number of labs done
08:04 <GodTodd> and it's one that i can't be late leaving...not without school panicking ;)
08:04 <GodTodd> tommy's school*
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I can see that :)
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> carry a cell phone, so they can call you ;)
08:05 <GodTodd> i do
08:05 <GodTodd> but i have to drive from frisco to plano in 25 mins (as if you knew the area heh)
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> haha
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> do you have to take the George W. Bush Memorial Turnpike?
08:06 <GodTodd> nope
08:06  * Lucifer_arma thinks it's a peculiar irony that the freeway that celebrates the idiot requires a toll to drive on
08:06 <GodTodd> and actually....i don't think it has the W
08:06 <GodTodd> i think it's for pop and son
08:06 <Lucifer_arma> I thought it did when I saw the sign for it, but I could be misremembering it
08:07 <GodTodd> it was originally supposed to be a freeway...til it costed more than they planned on ;)
08:08 <GodTodd> therefore, it's ironic that it's named after "no new taxes" dude :)
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, the 2d motion lab is projectile motion
08:11 <GodTodd> yeah...a lot of stuff is probably integrated in so it looks like i'm getting off easy :)
08:12 <GodTodd> man...one week gone already in the semester
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> nah, these labs are about the same size aas the labs we do, so I was right the first time: you're getting cheated :)
08:13  * GodTodd has no school til tues. now
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, archimedes is buoyant forces.  So no specific heat lab for you (which is probably a good thing, that lab is boring as hell, and covered in chemistry anyway)
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> I'll try to tell you which ones you're missing when we get to them at work.  :)  (phys 1 class this semester, and it's the only class I'm working)
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> we do a freefall lab using the same gear y'all will use for projectile motion
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08:19 <Lucifer_arma> everything y'all do on a dynamics track, we do on an airtrack at my campus (the northridge campus has dynamics tracks, but we don't)
08:19 <Lucifer_arma> the airtrack is more fun than the dynamics track, imo, unless you have to do 6 setups
08:19 <GodTodd> heh
08:20 <GodTodd> yeah...i'm not missing out on specific heat...had to do that shit in chem
08:20 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not remembering all the labs we do now
08:20 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, the most common specific heat writeup used in physics is the one stolen from the chem lab manual :)
08:20 <Lucifer_arma> but hey, some people won't take both chem and physics, and will never notice
08:21  * GodTodd didn't realy like chem
08:21 <GodTodd> really*
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> I'm hoping chemistry will look more interesting when I get to materials, because it's the prereq for materials
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> there's another class on top of materials, but I don't remember what it is.  Probably AE-specific materials, where the materials class I'm thinking of is just general materials, their properties, etc.
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08:22 <GodTodd> could be
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> we do a simple harmonic motion lab, too, that appears to be missing
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, hooke's law.  I didn't see a hooke's law lab
08:23 <GodTodd> thing is...i'm in the "foundation learning" part of my degree...things won't get terribly interesting until UTD
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> I saw one that probably uses hooke's law, in centripetal forces, but that's not the same as actually studying hooke's law by itself
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> that's not true at all, physics 2 is really interesting
08:24 <GodTodd> that'll be right before i transfer ;)
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> physics 1 is really interesting if you like mechanics, but physics 2 has electricity and basic electronics, optics and lasers and shit, and then goes into relativity
08:24 <GodTodd> i'm hoping spring of 08 to be at UTD
08:24 <GodTodd> er
08:25 <GodTodd> fall of 08
08:25 <GodTodd> not spring
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> that's the same time I'm hoping to be at UT :)
08:25 <GodTodd> yeah...i figure we're both shooting for graduation in '10
08:25 <GodTodd> :)
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> (it's pretty much certain I"m aiming for UT now, since my wife's working we have to stay in Austin until I finish)
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> well, the good thing about it all is that my kids will all be in full-day school next fall
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> that should help me out immensely
08:26 <GodTodd> yes it should
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> I'll see if I can get work at UT, if not I'll probably stay at ACC
08:26 <GodTodd> i won't have that luxury...tho it's offset by extremely accomodating grandparents :)
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> I'm also intending to have an associates of engineering this spring
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> heh, life is harsh when you got no babysitter :)
08:27 <GodTodd> i'ma look into coop work when i get to UTD
08:27 <GodTodd> yeah...i know...it was even harsher as a single parent ;)
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> man, this whole academic immersion thing is awesome
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> here's something fun
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> they had an old solutions manual sitting around for an edition of my statics textbook that's now two editions out of date
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> they just gave it to me
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> true, none of the problems in it are exactly like any of the ones in my textbook, but they're similar
08:29 <GodTodd> cool :)
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> so I have a whole book full of examples that are very similar to my homework problems
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> this was sitting at the northridge campus (I work at the cypress one)
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> of course, now I'm surrounded by PhD physics geeks, so any help I could possibly need is available any time I need it, in person
08:29 <GodTodd> yep
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> I definitely recommend working in the department your degree is in, or a very closely related department :)
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> closest you can get with whatever credentials you have, anyway
08:30 <GodTodd> yeah...that's what i hope to do with coop
08:30  * GodTodd has a degree in computer related stuff...shouldn't be too hard :)
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> well, I need to run for cigarettes and then get to bed so I can watch the little one before he goes to school tomorrow
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08:32 <GodTodd> yeah...i need to be up at 6:30 so's i can get my oldest to school in the morning
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13:45 <qxdtz> ...
13:45 <qxdtz> luke-jr, spidey ?
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13:48 <qxdtz> hi
13:48 <DrJoeTron> yo
13:51 <spidey> ?
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15:38 <spidey_> wtf is it with people who have played a game for a while?
15:38 <spidey_> "i dunno what you call this, but this isn't <insertgamenamehere>"
15:38 <spidey_> then bitch about the sittings, -.- if the settings wheren't ment to be changed, i'm sure the devs of the games wouldn't have added the options so stfu and go find another server -.-
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17:35 <freako> anyone here?
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18:55 <Lucifer_arma> freako: yes, but you're not
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19:27 <freezero> hey?
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21:11 <Vanhayes> #weather saint john
21:11 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 70°F / 21°C | Humidity: 73% | Pressure: 29.99in / 1015hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 2mph / 4km/h | Updated: 4:00 PM ADT; Tonight - Cloudy. Periods of rain with a few thundershowers beginning early this evening. Amount 10 to 15 mm(0.4 to 0.6 in) except locally 25 mm(1.0 in) in thundershowers. Fog patches developing overnight. Low 14C(57F).; (1 more message)
21:11 <Vanhayes> #more
21:11 <armabot> Vanhayes: Saturday - A mix of sun and cloud. 60 percent chance of showers in the afternoon. Fog patches dissipating in the morning. Wind becoming northwest 20 km/h (12 mph) in the morning. High 21C(70F). UV index 6 or high. Saturday night a few clouds. Wind northwest 20 km/h (12 mph) becoming light in the evening. Low 10C(50F).; Sunday - Sunny. High 20C(68F).;
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22:13 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
22:13 <armabot> Vanhayes: This data is 95 seconds old; Norm's Place (10/12), Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (9/14), Wild West  =Capture The Flag= (9/10), Wild West  =Fortress Shootout= (8/12), Fortress Café (6/32), The YELLOW Submarine (5/16), Wild West  =Hold The Flag=  ~Multi~Mode~ (5/16), -=}ID< -=}Immortal Dynasty< -=}High Rubber < (5/12), ë | D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d | ì/xff9900 (4/16), Wild West  =Sumo= (1 more message)
22:13 <Vanhayes> #tea
22:13 <armabot> Vanhayes: Fortress Café: Players (6/32): flynn, hoop, newbÎd, SL°???, ~{GP}~[RAm], °¯pixel
22:51 <mkzelda> anyone ever have the misfortune of using/owning a toshiba satellite laptop?
22:51 <mkzelda> im trying to fix a friends but it seems i just find an internet full of hate
22:52 <mkzelda> the thing will lock up w/in only a minute or two after booting up
22:52 <mkzelda> even after a fresh install of xp
22:52 <mkzelda> in fact it reboots on its own during the install
22:52 <mkzelda> however, it will run fine in safe mode
22:52 <mkzelda> so i guess its a driver that loads in 'danger mode' and not in safe mode
22:53 <mkzelda> i cant find any help on the inet, just lots and lots of pages of ppl w/ same problems and class action lawsuits and such
22:53 <mkzelda> and that toshiba wont help anyone
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