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Log from 2007-08-12:
--- Day changed Sun Aug 12 2007
00:07 <S-EWIE_ARMA> a what with a what?
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00:09 <luke-jr> tramshed: you're not identified?
00:09 <tramshed> I guess not
00:09 <luke-jr> well
00:09 <tramshed> beats me
00:09 <luke-jr> actually, I think it's lack of ident server on someone's part
00:10 <tramshed> * *** Looking up your hostname...
00:10 <tramshed> * *** Checking ident
00:10 <tramshed> * *** Couldn't look up your hostname
00:10 <tramshed> * *** Got ident response
00:10 <tramshed> im identerfied.
00:10 <luke-jr> [12:28:42] [Notice] -- *** No Ident response
00:10 <tramshed> might have something to do with the ipv6
00:10 <luke-jr> im not
00:10 <luke-jr> am I connected via IPv6 right now?
00:11 <tramshed> nay
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00:11 <tramshed> well
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00:11 <tramshed> unless your isp has ipv6 dns working
00:11 <tramshed> but I doubt it
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00:20 <luke-jr> I think it's a Konv bug
00:21 <tramshed> ?
00:21 <luke-jr> IPv6
00:21 <tramshed> what about it
00:22 <luke-jr> Konv doesn't like it
00:22 <tramshed> ah
00:22 <tramshed> you using an ipv6 server?
00:22 <tramshed> ipv6.chat.freenode.net
00:22 <luke-jr> if I try, Konv can't connect
00:22 <tramshed> ah, bummer
00:22 <tramshed> you got ipv6 installed?
00:22 <luke-jr> ...yes
00:22 <luke-jr> I can telnet
00:22 <tramshed> or compiled into your kernel
00:22 <tramshed> ah
00:22 <tramshed> bummer
00:22 <luke-jr> Konq tries to connect to some IPv4 addy
00:23 <tramshed> im usin xchat myself
00:24 <luke-jr> xchat is gtk
00:25 <tramshed> miss your theme?
00:25 <tramshed> or do you just entirely not have gtk installed
00:26 <tramshed> brb
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00:34 <luke-jr> tramshed: I don't like GTK
00:42 <tramshed> why not?
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01:10 <tramshed> hah
01:10 <tramshed> now you are on ipv6
01:10 <tramshed> but you still gots an n
01:10 <tramshed> wonder what the i means
01:10 <tramshed> idiot probably
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01:14 <luke-jr> tramshed: like I said, it's the ident response flag
01:14 <luke-jr> i means your ident confirmed you
01:14 <luke-jr> n means you have no ident server
01:14 <tramshed> oh
01:15 <tramshed> so you are all identless bastards
01:15 <tramshed> hah!
01:15 <tramshed> I figured what are the odds of me having the only ident
01:15 <tramshed> guess they were pretty good
01:16 <luke-jr> :p
01:16 <luke-jr> I never understood the point of ident
01:16 <tramshed> I dont either, heh
01:17 <tramshed> my client just does it for me though, so I dont see why not
01:17 <tramshed> a lot of servers dont like to let you on without ident
01:20 <luke-jr> never had that problem
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08:14 <Lucifer_arma> weeee
08:14  * Lucifer_arma just got back from Sea World
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> well, a couple of hours ago, anyway
08:15 <MrBougo> weee
08:15 <MrBougo> was it fun?
08:15 <luke-jr> ...
08:15 <MrBougo> lol luke wanted to come with you
08:15 <luke-jr> you wish
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> yeah :)
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> took my daughter on this:  http://www.seaworld.com/SWT/ar_steel_eel.aspx
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> both my sons on this:  http://www.seaworld.com/SWT/ar_journey_atlantis.aspx
08:18 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: get sunburned? ;)
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> nah, I don't burn
08:19 <MrBougo> oho
08:19 <Lucifer_arma> well, my legs saw sun for the first time in years, so I think I burned the back of my calves
08:19 <MrBougo> hehe
08:19 <luke-jr> my family can't be outside in the sun for even an hour without going to the ER for sunburn
08:19 <Lucifer_arma> we wore swimsuits for the Lost Lagoon
08:19 <GodTodd> luke-jr: all part of god's plan :)
08:20  * GodTodd wonders how you can go to a lagoon that's lost...
08:20 <luke-jr> GodTodd: yeah, we stay inside when the sun's overhead
08:20 <GodTodd> luke-jr: that's what happens when you're descended from cain
08:20 <luke-jr> GodTodd: since it was capitalized, it is likely a proper noun
08:20 <luke-jr> and not really lost
08:20 <luke-jr> GodTodd: nobody's descended from Cain
08:21 <GodTodd> luke-jr: it was a joke
08:21 <luke-jr> indeed
08:21 <GodTodd> luke-jr: you are :)
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel_Eel
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> slightly more information there
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> it's a pretty tame roller coaster, on the whole
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't manage to talk my daughter into going on the Great White
08:21  * GodTodd hates roller coasters
08:22  * luke-jr also
08:22  * Lucifer_arma loves roller coasters and is happy to have kids that also love them :)
08:22 <MrBougo> whats the great white?
08:22 <MrBougo> hehe
08:22 <MrBougo> i dont
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_White
08:22 <MrBougo> how old are your kids luci?
08:22 <luke-jr> GodTodd: we have a lot in common!
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> 8, 7, and 4
08:22 <GodTodd> luke-jr: thanks...now i need prozac
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> it looks like the steel eel actually goes faster than the great white, but it doesn't do any loops
08:22 <luke-jr> :)
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> nor corkscrews
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.rcdb.com/ig532.htm
08:23  * GodTodd organized his home directory a bit
08:23 <GodTodd> that was fun :)
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.rcdb.com/ig278.htm  <--- the one I wanted to take my daughter on, but she didn't want to go
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> (not the same as wussing out, wussing out is "I'll go!" and then, well, wussing out)
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> well, if I don't manage to land a job in aerospace, maybe I can go design rollercoasters
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08:29 <MrBougo> haha
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08:33 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:V29.JPG  <--- ack!  that's fucked up!
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> oh, that's not too bad, in the small view it looks like it goes up and quickly goes over the top, but instead it looks like it just stops and then starts again, but backwards
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> so you do all the same stuff you just did, but backwards
08:35 <MrBougo> haha
08:35 <MrBougo> watcha think
08:58  * MrBougo is bored
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09:05 <MrBougo> hiho
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09:32 <Durka> #lastseen manta
09:32 <armabot> Durka: Manta seems to be on  Wild West  =Sumo=   (Arizona) right now.
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09:34 <Durka> Manta: I said after you win the match :( I wanted you to win lol
09:34 <MrBougo> hiho Du
09:34 <MrBougo> rka
09:34 <MrBougo> Durka:
09:34 <Manta> oh ok, lol I wasn't watching the score
09:35 <MrBougo> hey Manta
09:35 <Manta> Hello MrBougo
09:35 <Durka> Yea, you had 540, 2nd place had 360 xD
09:35 <MrBougo> these nexuiz servers are emty
09:35 <Durka> hi bougy :P
09:35 <MrBougo> whats wrong
09:35 <MrBougo> Durky :)
09:36 <Durka> :P
09:36 <Manta> cuz I pwnd the server fist time I played nexuiz, then lost every match there after
09:36 <Durka>  LOL! ^^
09:37 <MrBougo> hehe
09:37 <MrBougo> when did you first play?
09:38 <Manta> it was a while back
09:39 <Manta> have you tried Tremulous?
09:40 <Manta> it won't play over dialup at all, the admins keep kicking me :( :(
09:40 <Manta> but a great premises, but needs a lot of weapon balancing rather unfair balancing right now.
09:42 <Manta> you are a spider or a human.
09:42 <Manta> and the spiders are actual spider size and you run on the walls and ceilings and bit or shoot poison.
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09:54 <beta_usa> Does anyone know where I can find a ctf map ?
09:54 <beta_usa> a good one
09:55 <Durka> yea
09:55 <Durka> the normal one
09:55 <Durka> or a maze one?
09:59 <Durka> beta_usa: ... ?
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10:04 <beta_usa> ups
10:04 <beta_usa> :/
10:05 <beta_usa> That would have been the normal one.
10:16 <luke-jr> ...
10:16 <luke-jr> are crickets bad?
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10:24 <beta_usa> See you later, have fun
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10:27 <mkzelda> luke-jr what are you still doing up?
10:37 <mkzelda> luke-jr: http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/cripldbird/BeaArthur.jpg
11:26 <DrJoeTron> serverinfo
11:26 <DrJoeTron> #serverinfo shrunk
11:26 <armabot> DrJoeTron: Shrunkland in 2.8.2: No online players.
12:19 <MrBougo> bye
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12:42 <epsy> hi
12:46 <philippeqc2> ello
12:47 <epsy> hi philippeqc2 =)
12:49 <luke-jr> mkzelda: wtf?
12:51 <philippeqc2> epsy, you recall that "model" to allow easy scripting of  AA's main loop? I found a problem with it.
12:52 <philippeqc2> It doesn't cover the case where players are to be allowed to join a round
12:52 <epsy> what are you talking about
12:52 <epsy> these ideas only stayed in my head
12:52 <luke-jr> lol
12:53 <epsy> blocking me to sleep
12:53 <philippeqc2> o poor lil you.. want me to sing you a lollaby?
12:53 <philippeqc2> ;)
12:53 <philippeqc2> didnt you try to implement at least a similar concept?
12:53 <epsy> what i think about is some bindings to most of the functions that composes a round into the scripting engine
12:54  * epsy slaps himself
12:54 <epsy> « try to implement » is a big word
12:55 <philippeqc2> the binding idea is good, but I think the whole loop could need a bit of reorganising
12:57 <philippeqc2> too much seems crammed in there
13:03  * philippeqc2 is performing a lot of work recently using my Jedi-coder senses. If something feels like the right thing, then no need to sit and analyse it and try to understand it. And strangely enough, it IS the best implementation, and DOES fix the problem without introducing new ones.
13:05 <philippeqc2> friday I was doing some agile/pair programming with my boss. 6 hours in a row of doing that Jedi thing and not being wrong kinda get to your head. And impress your boss.
13:08 <philippeqc2> luke-jr: have you continued to learn OO programing (or C++)
13:13 <epsy> heh
13:14 <epsy> well, that's true...if we want some kind of decent gameplay modding...we need cleanup :/
13:14 <philippeqc2> epsy: i dont know the amount of work it would take or which you are willing to put, but said changes would greatly benefit the project, and will probably be needed in the end to make what you desire possible.
13:15  * epsy dreams....the capture the admin mode hahahahah
13:16 <epsy> yea that's sure ...
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13:17 <philippeqc2> I'm not saying my proposed model is great, nor do I beleive so. just that I'm still waiting for a better proposal to come.
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13:24  * epsy runs away from MrBougo 
13:24 <epsy> i'm gonna take a shower brb
13:24  * MrBougo follows epsy
13:24 <MrBougo> HEY NO
13:24 <MrBougo> ROFL
13:24  * epsy ...
13:24 <MrBougo> i meant follow you when you run away
13:24 <MrBougo> omg
13:25  * epsy throws MrBougo 50 meters away
13:25 <MrBougo> someone should quote that :(
13:25 <epsy> ask Lucifer_arma
13:25 <MrBougo> Lucifer_arma: quote me!
13:26 <epsy> #quote add <MrBougo> Lucifer_arma: quote me!
13:26 <armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.  Quote #55 added.
13:26 <epsy> ahaha
13:26 <MrBougo> aw
13:27 <MrBougo> gonna ad myself
13:27 <MrBougo> add
13:27 <MrBougo> cause i dont want to forget this
13:27 <epsy> lame
13:27 <MrBougo> #quote add * epsy runs away from MrBougo  |  <epsy> i'm gonna take a shower brb  |  * MrBougo follows epsy *  |  <MrBougo> HEY NO
13:27 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
13:27 <MrBougo> crap lolz
13:28 <MrBougo> #quote add * epsy runs away from MrBougo  |  <epsy> i'm gonna take a shower brb  |  * MrBougo follows epsy *  |  <MrBougo> HEY NO
13:28 <armabot> MrBougo: The operation succeeded.  Quote #56 added.
13:28 <epsy> with HEY NO i it's not a funny quote
13:31 <MrBougo> :(
13:31 <MrBougo> #list quote
13:31 <armabot> MrBougo: add, change, get, random, remove, search, and stats
13:31 <MrBougo> #help change
13:31 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: That command exists in the News, Praise, and Quote plugins.  Please specify exactly which plugin command you want help with.
13:31 <MrBougo> #help quote change
13:31 <armabot> MrBougo: (quote change [<channel>] <id> <regexp>) -- Changes the quote with id <id> according to the regular expression <regexp>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
13:31 <MrBougo> weee, regexp
13:32 <MrBougo> i dont get it
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13:33 <MrBougo> #help quote add
13:33 <armabot> MrBougo: (quote add [<channel>] <text>) -- Adds <text> to the quote database for <channel>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
13:33 <MrBougo> #quote remove 56
13:33 <armabot> MrBougo: The operation succeeded.
13:34 <MrBougo> #quote add * epsy runs away from MrBougo  |  <epsy> i'm gonna take a shower brb  |  * MrBougo follows epsy *
13:34 <armabot> MrBougo: The operation succeeded.  Quote #57 added.
13:39 <DrJoeTron> thats not quote worthy >:(
13:39 <MrBougo> :(
13:39 <MrBougo> what should i do then, Doc
13:39 <DrJoeTron> charish your conversation
13:40 <MrBougo> whats charich
13:40 <MrBougo> s*
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13:54 <MrBougo> bye
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14:00 <epsy> #armaservers
14:00 <armabot> epsy: This data is 80 seconds old; ¬| D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (10/16), Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (6/14), Strawberry Fields (3/16), SPACEZONE III (3/15), G-Land (2/8), Chico's Brake Boost Styball (2/8), Wild West  =Capture The Flag= (1/10), C Test (1/16), SPACEZONE [VERY HIGH SPEED!!] (1/8)
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15:02 <duudii> #onlineservers
15:02 <armabot> duudii: This data is 6 seconds old; ¬| D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (12/16), Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (11/14), Fortress Café (8/32), The Tavern (7/16), ~*SpeederS*~ Server (6/12), Swampland II (4/8), Strawberry Fields (3/16), ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (3/10), SPACEZONE III (3/15), Tigers Network Classic Play (1/16)
15:03 <duudii> #sd rewb
15:03 <armabot> duudii: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “rewb” at the moment, sorry.
15:03 <duudii> #sd rawb
15:03 <armabot> duudii: Strawberry Fields: Players (3/16): Jack, pimp floyd, Porry--*
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15:57 <epsy> wrtlprnft, why in your cockpit the impact gauge is the only  gauge whose label is external ?
16:04 <epsy> nvm
16:07 <epsy> and...how come that the automap displays a whithe bg ... :/ and the thing on the players doesn't show up
16:08 <epsy> i didn't changed that part :/
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16:46 <epsy> i wish wrtlprnft was on café
16:47 <epsy> dd DAL is so a bad ass
16:47 <luke-jr> philippeqc2: I know OO programming and have for a while
17:06 <philippeqc2> luke-jr: neat! Wasn't sure if you kept at it.
17:07 <philippeqc2> 2 things for you:
17:08 <philippeqc2> a) the absolute best book on C++. And for the price you cant complain if my comment should reveal being false: http://www.icce.rug.nl/documents/cplusplus/
17:09 <philippeqc2> b) For all OO development, one should really learn about Design Patterns. Try and get yourself a copy of it. It is by Erich Gamma, Richard Helm Ralph Johnson and John Vlissides (often refered to as the Gang of Four) published by Addison-Wesley
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17:11 <philippeqc2> I have started reading through my copy, checking pattern out of order. The "Interpeter" should be of interest to you.
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17:16 <quarg> hello
17:16 <philippeqc2> hi
17:17 <quarg> is luke here?
17:17 <quarg> phil are you from queec?
17:17 <philippeqc2> not since the last 30 min
17:17 <quarg> quebec
17:17 <philippeqc2> quarg: yes
17:17 <quarg> aha
17:17 <quarg> me too
17:17 <quarg> laval
17:17 <philippeqc2> nea!
17:17 <philippeqc2> c'est pas vrai
17:18 <quarg> tres vrai!
17:18 <philippeqc2> Vimont?
17:18 <quarg> fabreville
17:18 <quarg> laval
17:18 <quarg> autoroute 15 nord
17:18 <philippeqc2> J'ai vecu a Duvernay et a Vimont
17:18 <quarg> nice
17:18 <quarg> tu nest plus la?
17:18 <philippeqc2> Stockholm en Suede maintenant
17:19 <quarg> i saw the pc in your name and i just clicked lol
17:19 <quarg> wow
17:19 <quarg> qc*
17:19 <philippeqc2> ouais!
17:19 <quarg> est tu la en permanence?
17:19 <philippeqc2> l'image sur le forum tu veux dire?
17:19 <philippeqc2> Ouais, j'ai emigre!
17:20 <quarg> non ton nom philippeQC2
17:20 <philippeqc2> clicked where?
17:20 <quarg> je nai pas vue de photo
17:20 <quarg> que forum?
17:20 <philippeqc2> oooo ok, cliquer en quebecois
17:21 <philippeqc2> pas cliquer avec une sourie
17:21 <quarg> oui
17:21 <quarg> heh
17:21 <philippeqc2> le forum d'armagetron advance, le jeu
17:21 <quarg> est tu un dev?
17:21 <philippeqc2> http.//forums.armagetronad.net
17:21 <philippeqc2> oui, j'en suis un
17:21 <quarg> ou just ici pour la bonne companie
17:21 <philippeqc2> ca aussi
17:22 <tramshed> Blame Canada!
17:22 <quarg> ill switch to english much faster for me to type :)
17:22  * tramshed ducks
17:23 <quarg> i was wondering if it was possible to create a tron glossary for in game trems used by palyers
17:23 <tramshed> sure
17:23 <philippeqc2> duck hunting season! Pang! Pang! the poor bird drops from the sky as I send my dog to pick the body
17:23 <tramshed> make a wiki
17:23 <quarg> with pics of traps and such
17:23 <quarg> well im not sure if it is ok for anyyone to edit the wiki
17:23 <philippeqc2> the wiki would be the best place for that. The terms seems to evolve quite rapidly, and the glossary would need to expand
17:24 <quarg> or is it just the devs that can
17:24 <philippeqc2> anyone
17:24 <quarg> nice
17:24 <quarg> well i was thinking of putting one together
17:24 <tramshed> do it, people will appreciate im sure
17:24 <quarg> since every one seems to have a variation on the terms used
17:25 <quarg> try and make it clear for ppl
17:25 <philippeqc2> from http://www.armagetronad.net you will find both our wiki and forum
17:25 <quarg> though it would not be just my def but a combo of everyones
17:25 <philippeqc2> and you will find some attemps spread over the forums.
17:25 <quarg> i go there almost every day for info on servers and such
17:25 <philippeqc2> or at least discussions of term
17:26 <quarg> at the moment i am hosting 8 servers
17:26 <quarg> and helping others to do the same
17:26 <philippeqc2> o my!
17:26 <quarg> support the game in every way i can
17:26 <philippeqc2> all on the same 'puter
17:26 <quarg> even if its not in programing
17:26 <quarg> yes
17:27 <quarg> well 7 are
17:27 <quarg> 1 isnt
17:27 <philippeqc2> have you tried by giving me $? Nobody ever tries that one.
17:27 <philippeqc2> ;)
17:27 <quarg> i would love to support the dev of tron
17:27 <quarg> bu i dont see anyplace to
17:27 <philippeqc2> there is a paypal donation button.
17:27 <quarg> a paypall would be an idea;)
17:28 <quarg> ????
17:28 <quarg> plz point me there
17:28 <philippeqc2> buttom of the page on the forum
17:29 <philippeqc2> well, at least of the "view post since last visit" page
17:29 <quarg> wow i just passed over that like it was a forum add
17:29 <quarg> never even saw it
17:29 <quarg> might want to make it more obvious
17:30 <quarg> what exactly does it support?
17:30 <quarg> master servers?
17:30 <quarg> or other?
17:30 <philippeqc2> the project hosting IIRC.
17:30 <philippeqc2> You would better ask tank/guru3 for the exact details
17:30 <quarg> not sure what that is
17:30 <quarg> a ok
17:31 <quarg> how many devs on the project?
17:31 <philippeqc2> forum hosting, the fees for the name, such things
17:31 <quarg> what is it you contribute to it?
17:31 <philippeqc2> my contrib is on the map parser.
17:31 <quarg> so you know mapingthen?
17:32 <philippeqc2> a bit.
17:32 <quarg> i started dabling in map making
17:32 <philippeqc2> neat!
17:32 <quarg> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/QUARG/rubber/
17:33 <quarg> found an odd detail in the sumo map for the zones that zman made
17:33 <tramshed> I havnt played with the maps yet
17:33 <tramshed> I like classic ole tron
17:33 <quarg> there seems to be a tab between some of the charaters. when removed the map doesnt seem to work right
17:33 <tramshed> although ctf is kinda fun
17:34 <quarg> im a rubber player myself
17:34 <quarg> got yelled at the first time i palyed fort and never went back
17:34 <tramshed> not me
17:34 <tramshed> rubber is ridiculous
17:34 <quarg> :)
17:34 <quarg> ridiculouly fun
17:34 <guru3> classic play, all the way
17:34 <philippeqc2> tramshed: i dont want to remove the old style of play, just allow new ones. So its all ok!
17:35 <tramshed> oh I know
17:35 <quarg> df is my fun
17:35 <tramshed> Im glad new stuffis added
17:35 <quarg> classic df
17:35 <tramshed> just wish people would not use >6 rubber
17:35 <tramshed> df is stupid
17:35 <tramshed> 12 rubber and dont grind
17:35 <tramshed> thats retarded
17:35 <tramshed> and dont corner
17:35 <tramshed> and dont kill people
17:35 <quarg> i use 2 rubber on my gemini df server
17:36 <tramshed> I got bitched at cuz I went into a df server and mopped up
17:36 <quarg> i find i right on
17:36 <tramshed> 2 is cool
17:36 <tramshed> I could get down with 2
17:36 <tramshed> I like it to go boom when you hit a wall
17:36 <tramshed> not to hit pause
17:36 <quarg> yes classic tron is fun also
17:37 <quarg> not many servers with that setting
17:37 <quarg> mm might try one
17:37 <quarg> gemini claaic
17:37 <quarg> classic*
17:37 <quarg> square map? or custom?
17:38 <quarg> slow speed or moderate?
17:38 <tramshed> once I get a server im bringin my server back
17:38 <quarg> which?
17:39 <quarg> whats the name of your server?
17:39 <tramshed> world of hate
17:39 <tramshed> been a couple years since it was up
17:39 <quarg> we might want to hook up
17:39 <quarg> i could host it for a bit till then
17:40 <quarg> might be intresting to have a classic server out ther
17:40 <tramshed> lemme see if I cant find its settings
17:40 <quarg> though i cant have too manny ppl on it at once
17:40 <quarg> i limit my server s to 6
17:40 <quarg> or even 4
17:40 <quarg> soem times
17:41 <quarg> oppps gtg
17:41 <quarg> mr.quarg@hotmail.com
17:41 <quarg> any time
17:41 <quarg> later
17:41 <tramshed> later
17:41 <philippeqc2> vya
17:41 <philippeqc2> cya
17:47 <tramshed> wow
17:47 <tramshed> I dont remember doing all this shit to fix ripping
17:47 <tramshed> haha
17:48 <tramshed> As for how I keep it from happening, philippe posted a helpful bit of code, I mainly just had to tweak his values out as the ones he had made the grid walls quite sticky, if you touched em you didnt die, you just stopped, i adjusted the value from the default -10 to -1 i believe (Ill check later), playing with that vaue makes the grid walls more or less... squishy, i think would be the proper term. 1 seems to be a solid value and d
17:48 <tramshed> oesnt greatly effect gameplay. I also modified how it measures how close to a player wall you grind, to make it harder to attain 0 (Which seems to be a cause of crashing) Between these two effects server stability has been increased drastically.
17:48 <tramshed> Sorry for diappearing for the weekend, lan parties happen.
17:48 <tramshed> I only BARELY remember doing any of that
17:49 <philippeqc2> i also only have vague memories of that. Good thing it is fixed now!
17:51 <tramshed> indeed
17:51 <tramshed> I remember that made for strange walls, but did temporarily fix it
17:52 <tramshed> im trying to find my old server settings
17:59 <tramshed> haha
17:59 <tramshed> I never did manage to write my own name
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18:22 <epsy> #gmt
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18:28 <epsy> #gmttime
18:28 <epsy> #list time
18:28 <armabot> epsy: at, ctime, elapsed, seconds, time, and until
18:29 <epsy> #ctime
18:29 <armabot> epsy: Sun Aug 12 18:33:46 2007
18:29 <epsy> #time
18:29 <armabot> epsy: 06:33 PM, August 12, 2007
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18:30 <epsy> wrtlprnft, your clock is fucked
18:30 <Durka> LOL!
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19:26 <Durka> hay Monkey_arma
19:26 <Monkey_arma> hi durks :)
19:27 <Monkey_arma> my dialup isp has fecked up so i am on payg tonight!
19:27 <Monkey_arma> might not be fixed till tomorrow :(
19:35 <Durka> #lastseen madmax
19:35 <armabot> Durka: madmax has last been seen on Tigers Network Classic Play 1 day 14 hours 9 minutes ago.
19:35 <Durka> #lastseen Lackadaisical
19:35 <Durka> #lastseen Zop
19:35 <Durka> #lastseen Vanhayes
19:35 <Durka> #lastseen eggcozy
19:35 <armabot> Durka: timed out
19:35 <armabot> Durka: Szopin has last been seen on Fortress Café 1 minute ago.
19:35 <armabot> Durka: Vanhayes has last been seen on Fortress Café 17 hours 12 minutes ago.
19:36 <Durka> #lastseen Zop
19:36 <armabot> Durka: timed out
19:36 <armabot> Durka: Szopin seems to be on Fortress Café right now.
19:36 <Monkey_arma> bah they all smurf nowadays durks
19:36 <Monkey_arma> lastseen erk
19:37 <Monkey_arma> #lastseen erk
19:37 <armabot> Monkey_arma: Erk has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 1 hour 24 minutes ago.
19:37 <Durka> #lastseen Luzifer
19:37 <armabot> Durka: Luzifer has last been seen on Bugfarm Elimination Sumo 2 days 0 hours 9 minutes ago.
19:37 <Durka> #lastseen newbie
19:37 <armabot> Durka: Newbie has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 20 minutes ago.
19:38 <Durka> #lastseen newb_e
19:38 <armabot> Durka: Newbie has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 20 minutes ago.
19:38 <Durka> #lastseen newb
19:38 <armabot> Durka: Newbie has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 20 minutes ago.
19:38 <Durka> X(
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19:58 <epsy> Monkey_arma, what are you doing ?
19:59 <|Sticky|> any mc players here??
20:00 <philippeqc2> mc = midnight commander?
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20:14 <luke-jr> philippeqc2: "for a while" meaning years and years
20:14 <luke-jr> quarg: ?
20:16 <philippeqc2> luke-jr: sorry, that detail was never clear for me!
20:16 <luke-jr> philippeqc2: as to C++, I don't think I've touched it much recently
20:16 <luke-jr> philippeqc2: in case you haven't noticed, I am no longer an active Armagetron developer, so that need has gone
20:16 <philippeqc2> what do you use for OO
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20:17 <luke-jr> MOO, Python, Perl, mainly
20:17 <philippeqc2> well, you never know when you will need it again, so a good reference could help you (my first link)
20:17 <philippeqc2> neat
20:17 <luke-jr> I don't like C++ anyway
20:17 <luke-jr> Qt supercedes it :)
20:17 <MrBougo> gigo
20:17 <MrBougo> hiho
20:17  * luke-jr forgot to list Qt
20:18 <philippeqc2> Qt is a GUI software toolkit. Qt simplifies the task of writing and maintaining GUI (graphical user interface) applications.
20:18 <philippeqc2> that Qt?
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20:18 <luke-jr> Qt is a language based on C++, but yes
20:18 <luke-jr> Qt started out as a GUI toolkit
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20:19 <philippeqc2> how do you feel it supercede c++ ?
20:19 <luke-jr> it's nicer
20:19 <philippeqc2> in such way as?
20:19 <luke-jr> more portable, etc
20:19 <luke-jr> GUI is part of the language
20:19 <philippeqc2> could you code a bit that shoes that
20:19 <luke-jr> shows it how?
20:19 <philippeqc2> ok, neat. Dont do gui myself
20:20 <MrBougo> shoes
20:20 <MrBougo> lol
20:20 <MrBougo> :(
20:20 <philippeqc2> like a defining a class
20:20 <luke-jr> Qt code can be compiled for OSX, X11, and Windows without platform-specific code
20:20 <MrBougo> nicie
20:20 <MrBougo> not even specific libs?
20:20 <philippeqc2> convenient
20:20 <MrBougo> thats just like java, isnt it?
20:21 <luke-jr> no
20:21 <MrBougo> ow
20:21 <luke-jr> philippeqc2: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.3/mainwindows-application.html
20:22 <luke-jr> philippeqc2: class definition syntax are mostly the same as C++
20:22 <luke-jr> like C++ adds on to C, Qt adds stuff to C++
20:22 <luke-jr> C string: char*
20:22 <luke-jr> C++ string: std::string
20:22 <luke-jr> Qt string: QString
20:22 <philippeqc2> seems good old C++ to me
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20:23 <luke-jr> C++ doesn't support signals/slots, for example
20:23 <luke-jr> Qt adds that capability
20:24 <luke-jr> also an XML dialog layout format
20:25 <philippeqc2> convenient to make GUI's
20:26 <luke-jr> http://doc.trolltech.com/4.3/desktop-screenshot.html
20:26 <luke-jr> cross platform screenshot app
20:26 <luke-jr> http://doc.trolltech.com/4.3/demos-undo.html Undo framework
20:27 <luke-jr> there's also conveniences like the forever{ ... } loop
20:27 <philippeqc2> convenient framework overall
20:27 <luke-jr> which is more or less while(1) { ... }
20:27 <luke-jr> :)
20:30 <philippeqc2> it is a neat c++ framework
20:30 <luke-jr> it's a language =p
20:30 <luke-jr> that's like saying C++ is a neat C framework
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20:32 <philippeqc2> they dont even seem to hold that idea. I dont know what makes you beleive that Qt is a language
20:32 <luke-jr> it redefines the standard string, and also adds statements
20:32 <luke-jr> that puts it beyond doubt on my part to be a new language
20:32 <luke-jr> C++ is no more a language than Qt is
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20:33 <philippeqc2> making a new string object doesnt make a language last time i checked
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20:33 <philippeqc2> then you would beleive that cppunit is a new language too
20:33 <luke-jr> no idea wtf cppunit is
20:33 <luke-jr> but Qt changes as much of C++ as C++ changes of C
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20:35 <philippeqc2> you should really check out cppunit.
20:35 <luke-jr> what is it?
20:35 <philippeqc2> A C++ unit testing framework.
20:36 <luke-jr> don't need a unit testing framework
20:36 <philippeqc2> ???
20:36 <philippeqc2> since when
20:37 <luke-jr> what would I possibly need a unit testing framework for?
20:37 <luke-jr> i write bugfree code
20:37 <luke-jr> :p
20:38 <philippeqc2> well, once you pass the 200 line of code cap, that might not be as true as you'd like it to be
20:38 <luke-jr> passed that about 10 years ago
20:38 <philippeqc2> in a single app I meant ;)
20:38 <luke-jr> even still
20:38 <luke-jr> and
20:38 <luke-jr> it was a joke
20:38 <luke-jr> fyi
20:38 <philippeqc2> and
20:38 <philippeqc2> it was also a joke
20:38 <philippeqc2> fyi
20:38 <luke-jr> :)
20:39 <philippeqc2> so I upped one on you
20:39 <luke-jr> no!
20:39 <luke-jr> I got the mushroom
20:39 <philippeqc2> did so
20:39 <philippeqc2> i poisoned the mushroom, then kissed the princess
20:39 <luke-jr> omg
20:39  * luke-jr dies
20:40 <luke-jr> /bin/sh ../../libtool --silent --tag=CXX --mode=link i686-pc-linux-gnu-g++  -Wno-long-long -Wundef -ansi -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=500 -D_BSD_SOURCE -Wcast-align -Wchar-subscripts -Wall -W -Wpointer-arith -DNDEBUG -DNO_DEBUG -O2 -O2 -march=pentium-m -pipe -Wformat-security -Wmissing-format-attribute -Wno-non-virtual-dtor -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new -fno-common -DQT_CLEAN_NAMESPACE -DQT_NO_ASCII_CAST -DQT_NO_STL -DQT_NO_COMPAT
20:40 <luke-jr> -DQT_NO_TRANSLATION    -o libsearchbarplugin.la -rpath /usr/kde/3.5/lib/kde3 -L/usr/kde/3.5/lib -L/usr/qt/3/lib     -module -avoid-version -module -no-undefined -Wl,--no-undefined -Wl,--allow-shlib-undefined -R /usr/kde/3.5/lib -R /usr/kde/3.5/lib -R /usr/qt/3/lib  searchbar.lo -lkhtml
20:40 <philippeqc2> all's let is a dead italian plummer
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20:40 <noob13> ehem...i have a question..
20:40 <philippeqc2> yes?
20:40 <MrBougo> we're reading
20:40 <MrBougo> cant say listening
20:41 <noob13> :P
20:41 <luke-jr> noob13: no you don't
20:41 <noob13> well im trying to upload a map to the repository
20:41 <MrBougo> ooooooh
20:41 <noob13> and it doesnt validate
20:41 <MrBougo> ooooooooohh
20:41 <luke-jr> noob13: you do or do not; there is no try
20:41 <noob13> what could be wrong
20:41 <philippeqc2> did you manage to make it run locally?
20:41 <noob13> ?
20:41 <luke-jr> noob13: that means your map is abd
20:41 <MrBougo> abd
20:41 <luke-jr> noob13: pastebin the error
20:41 <MrBougo> there's a c missing
20:41 <MrBougo> abcd
20:42 <luke-jr> http://rafb.net/paste/
20:42 <MrBougo> http://pastebin.ca
20:42 <noob13> :P
20:42 <MrBougo> pastebin war!
20:42 <luke-jr> no
20:42 <noob13> ok you want the whole thing?
20:42 <MrBougo> its in the topic, luke
20:42 <luke-jr> dumb canadians
20:42 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr] by ChanServ
20:42 <philippeqc2> nooooooooooooooooooooooo
20:43 -!- luke-jr changed the topic of #armagetron to: Latest Version: 0.2.8.2.1 | http://www.armagetronad.net/ | http://electricpotential.net/ircstats/armagetron.html | Gentoo? layman -ka armagetron | AFL discussion is in #afl , most of the time anyhow | pastebin: http://rafb.net/paste/ | Logs: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/
20:43 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr] by luke-jr
20:43 <luke-jr> indeed it is
20:43 <noob13> http://rafb.net/p/uvJV8h77.html
20:44 <luke-jr> noob13: so your doctype is wrong
20:44 <philippeqc2> what dtd are available on the res repo?
20:44 <noob13> ok...so what do i change?
20:44 <luke-jr> ./AATeam/map-0.2.8.0_rc4.dtd
20:44 <luke-jr> ./AATeam/map-0.2.8.0.dtd
20:44 <luke-jr> ./AATeam/cockpit-0.3.0.dtd
20:44 <luke-jr> ./AATeam/map-0.3.1-a.dtd
20:45 <luke-jr> minus the preceding ./
20:45 <MrBougo> ...........................
20:45 <MrBougo> you modified the topic!
20:45 <MrBougo> now i'm agry!
20:45 <MrBougo> very angry!
20:45 <MrBougo> fear my angriness!
20:45 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr] by ChanServ
20:45 <MrBougo> err
20:45 -!- MrBougo was kicked from #armagetron by luke-jr [User terminated!]
20:45 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr] by luke-jr
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20:45 <MrBougo> nvm
20:45 <luke-jr> :)
20:45 <MrBougo> i'm still a bit angry though
20:46 <luke-jr> lol
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20:46 <luke-jr> .......
20:46 <luke-jr> x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-g++ -c -I../../../include -Iinclude -Iinternals -Ilibnurbs/internals -Ilibnurbs/interface -Ilibnurbs/nurbtess -Wall -O2 -pipe -march=k8 -fno-strict-aliasing -fPIC -m64 -DGLX_USE_TLS -D_POSIX_SOURCE -D_POSIX_C_SOURCE=199309L -D_SVID_SOURCE -D_BSD_SOURCE -D_GNU_SOURCE -DPTHREADS -DUSE_EXTERNAL_DXTN_LIB=1 -DIN_DRI_DRIVER -DGLX_DIRECT_RENDERING -DGLX_INDIRECT_RENDERING -DHAVE_ALIAS -DHAVE_POSIX_MEMALIGN -DNDEBUG
20:46 <luke-jr> -DLIBRARYBUILD libnurbs/internals/arcsorter.cc -o libnurbs/internals/arcsorter.o
20:46 <MrBougo> spammer
20:47 <philippeqc2>  luke-jr: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-g++
20:47 <luke-jr> philippeqc2: ?
20:47 <philippeqc2> what, you didnt do a link so your compiler would be  x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-qt ?
20:47 <philippeqc2> tsk tsk tsk
20:47 <luke-jr> Mesa is C++
20:48 <luke-jr> not Qt
20:48 <noob13> and i still seem to be confused
20:48 <luke-jr> and Qt on Linux just rewrites the code to C++
20:48 <philippeqc2> and why are we priviledge to get the full listing of your makefile
20:48 <luke-jr> just like the first C++ compiler just rewrote code in C
20:49 <luke-jr> gcc -c -DHAVE_CONFIG_H    -I. -I.././readline -DRL_LIBRARY_VERSION='"5.1"' -O2 -pipe -march=k8 nls.c
20:49 <luke-jr> gdb is C
20:50 <philippeqc2> luke, your so cute when you think you are right about some crazy position.
20:50 <luke-jr> because it's so crazy to be right
20:51 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/SSOAN/polygon/regular/wildcat-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by SSOAN
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21:11 <Durka> newb|e: ?
21:12 <newb|e> ?
21:12 <Durka> where are u?
21:12 <Durka> we're trying to start
21:13 <newb|e> i will be there in a while, i thought we wait for the other guys till 20gmt
21:13 <Durka> hmmm
21:14 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/SSOAN/polygon/regular/wildcat2-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by SSOAN
21:14 <|Sticky|> we cant wait that long
21:14 <newb|e> i'm not sure if they are going to show up however since lucifer posted that we have a bye and play in the second round, some of them....
21:14 <newb|e> well anyway
21:14 <newb|e> i will join in 1min
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21:20 <MrBougo> 1 min?
21:20 <MrBougo> oh nvm
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21:30 <MrBougo> bye
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