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Log from 2007-08-04:
--- Day changed Sat Aug 04 2007
00:00 <epsy> ....and cu
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00:04 <spidey> rofl @ teaching my dad to download music
00:05 <digitx> hi spidi
00:05 <digitx> :)
00:06 <Lucifer_arma> fart
00:07 <spidey> hi
00:09 <|Sticky|> FUCKING M$
00:10 <|Sticky|> have the cheek to say upgradeing your mobo and cpu requires you to buy a new lisence
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00:27 <spidey> |Sticky|, fuck 'em :p
00:27 <spidey> it's still the same pc, and i don't see why you couldn't use your same key
00:27 <spidey> when you call to activate, just tell them you're formatting due to a virus, or something, and when they ask if you've installed it on another pc, say no
00:28 <spidey> or use winxp pro corp, it doesn't require a activation :D
00:28 <|Sticky|> yeah lat time i told the truth to the phone line and that came back with the response buy a new key
00:29 <|Sticky|> hmm wonder if i can get a copy of that
00:30 <spidey> i have a copy :D
00:30 <spidey> 2, actually
00:30 <|Sticky|> anoying thing is that xp appears to be more expencive than vista, wtf
00:30 <spidey> the origanol, and the backup cause i tend to scratch cd's
00:30 <|Sticky|> i dont want vista
00:30 <spidey> i recomend windows 2000 pro
00:31 <|Sticky|> 2000 was good
00:31 <spidey> i love it, it's like win98 without having to go 15bit :D
00:31 <spidey> 16*
00:31 <spidey> andi loved win98
00:31 <|Sticky|> you bizzare person
00:31 <spidey> i got it down to less than than 9k files
00:32 <spidey> running with 128mb ram and a 500mhz p3
00:32 <spidey> ran better than alot of pc's i've had
00:32 <spidey> then i let my uncle borrow it, and a power surge fried everything in his house :(
00:32 <|Sticky|> i would go wholely over to linux but...my games, my beautiful games
00:32 <spidey> |Sticky|, amen :p
00:32 <spidey> only reason i still use windows
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> "I'd gladly seek freedom, but not at the expense of my entertainment!"
00:33 <|Sticky|> exactly
00:33 <spidey> indeed
00:33 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, no such thing as 'freedom' anymore, anyways :p
00:33 <|Sticky|> im just trying to decide is the privalige of throwing away my consumer rights worth $300
00:34 <spidey> i'd never spend $300 on a os anyways :P
00:34 <spidey> if anything
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: maybe not in the US
00:34 <spidey> get a new box, for around that price, you'll get a os free if you pick the right package
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> |Sticky|: you can't put a pricetag on your rights
00:34 <DrJoeTron> torrents are pretty cool guys
00:34 <DrJoeTron> just thought i'd throw that one out there
00:35 <spidey> torrents
00:35 <spidey> or rapidshare
00:35 <|Sticky|> sugesting i torrent a cracked os?
00:35 <spidey> <3 rapidshare
00:35 <DrJoeTron> more like rapid shit
00:35 <spidey> DrJoeTron, you're just jealous
00:35 <DrJoeTron> jealous of its shit
00:35 <DrJoeTron> i guess
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> well, my master server is running again, but I'm not confident about it without the initscript working
00:35 <spidey> you can get anything from rapidshare
00:35 <DrJoeTron> shittily
00:35 <spidey> it's faster than torrents
00:35 <spidey> because it's not p2p
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> ST:TNG?
00:36 <|Sticky|> star trek??
00:36 <DrJoeTron> yeah with throttles
00:36 <spidey> i download from rapidshare at 800~kb/s
00:36 <spidey> +
00:36 <DrJoeTron> and kcaps
00:36 <DrJoeTron> caps**
00:36 <DrJoeTron> do you actually pay for rapidshit?
00:36 <spidey> i've NEVER hit 800kb/s on torrents
00:36 <spidey> it's worth it
00:37 <DrJoeTron> hahahaha
00:37 <DrJoeTron> oh you
00:37 <spidey> caps?
00:37 <spidey> 25gb a week
00:37 <spidey> how could you hit 25gb in a week
00:37 <spidey> even i don't hit that
00:37 <spidey> and i'm always downloading
00:37 <DrJoeTron> im talking free
00:37 <DrJoeTron> not pay
00:37 <spidey> your loss :p
00:37 <DrJoeTron> you're paying to steal
00:38 <spidey> so? :)
00:38 <spidey> my choice
00:38 <spidey> you have your own
00:38 <DrJoeTron> is it a monthly payment?
00:38 <spidey> paying to steal > just plain stealing
00:38 <spidey> $9/mo
00:38 <spidey> plus you get rapidshare points
00:38 <DrJoeTron> don't you have alot of money to pay back people? :V
00:38 <GodTodd> everyone has the right to choose to bend over and take it in the ass, joe :)
00:39 <spidey> DrJoeTron, not anymore
00:39 <spidey> i payed most of it back
00:39 <spidey> :p
00:39 <DrJoeTron> just as I have every right to make fun of them :)
00:39 <|Sticky|> MOST?
00:39 <spidey> payed luke back anyways
00:39 <spidey> |Sticky|, concider it a lone
00:39 <GodTodd> heh...he should always be last....he can't do nothin' to ya :)
00:40 <DrJoeTron> yeah i'd pay lizz back first before anyone
00:40 <spidey> i told her when i'd pay her back before she loaned it
00:40 <spidey> she agreed
00:40 <DrJoeTron> its not a matter of  "lol hai i pay u back in 2 years k thx"
00:40 <spidey> um
00:41 <spidey> no
00:41 <spidey> 2 months
00:41 <DrJoeTron> its the fact that you put luke in front of anyone
00:41 <spidey> get ya shit strait :p
00:41 <DrJoeTron> thats a sin
00:41 <spidey> not really
00:41 <spidey> i owed luke first
00:41 <DrJoeTron> its still luke
00:41 <spidey> and i still owed it
00:41 <spidey> what's your point?
00:41 <GodTodd> yeah but luke will just shake his fist and say "pay me back you immoral sinner"
00:41 <spidey> actually he doesn't
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00:43 <spidey> and DrJoeTron , actually i'm not paying for rapidshare atm
00:43 <spidey> i haven't for 2 months
00:43 <spidey> i upload alot, and people download, meaning i get point = free acount for a month :p
00:43 <spidey> points*
00:45 <|Sticky|> i take it this involves alot of copywrited material
00:45 <spidey> possibly
00:46 <|Sticky|> hmm bizare that a company can survave essentialy tradeing in copywrited material
00:46 <|Sticky|> what country are they based
00:46 <spidey> germany and US
00:46 <spidey> but
00:46 <spidey> it's not like that :p
00:47 <DrJoeTron> yeah
00:47 <DrJoeTron> you gotta be bombarded with adware and fun stuff like that
00:47 <DrJoeTron> thats how they live :)
00:47 <spidey> ...
00:47 <spidey> not really
00:47 <DrJoeTron> well not when you're spidey
00:47 <spidey> ...
00:47 <|Sticky|> its more why dont they get shut down like all the other centralised p2p networks
00:48 <spidey> they can't
00:48 <|Sticky|> why?
00:48 <spidey> most of them aren't based in the US
00:48 <spidey> like the gnutella network
00:48 <|Sticky|> unless they are based in a country that dosent recognise c/w i dont think it will matter
00:49 <spidey> there's lots of places
00:49 <|Sticky|> if that is the case why didnt napster/audiogalaxy just move their servers
00:49 <spidey> the only way they can shut them down is if they do like they did to thepiratesbay.org
00:50 <spidey> |Sticky|, ares moved there servers
00:50 <spidey> i dunno, i guess they didn't want to :)
00:51 <|Sticky|> and what makes you think Germany wont shut it down?
00:51 <spidey> they haven't yet? rs has been up a long time
00:51 <spidey> and is very popular
00:52 <spidey> the thing saving them is they "attempt" to look like they're against it, by deleting 1 or 2 files every now and again
00:53 <|Sticky|> altho im not familiar with it, it sounds to me like it will eventualy get shutdown once it is high profile enough, it has happend to almost every other p2p network
00:53 <spidey> and i'm running out of clean tremulous sources trying to apply this patch >.>
00:53 <spidey> it's not a p2p network
00:53 <Lucifer_arma> look, the real question is, for those of us who haven't downloaded anything in awhile, where do we go?
00:53 <|Sticky|> Lucifer_arma: bit torrent
00:53 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: don't you know how to cp -R ?
00:53 <guru3> http://electricpotential.net/temp/resistanceisfutile.png
00:54 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, yes, but i wasn't expecting to ruin 3 copies
00:54 <spidey> heh
00:54 <Lucifer_arma> |Sticky|: bittorrent is a program and a protocol, you still have to find the torrents somewhere
00:54 <|Sticky|> mininova
00:54 <Lucifer_arma> didn't they get shut down?
00:54 <spidey> google ftw
00:54  * Lucifer_arma tried google
00:54 <spidey> do this
00:54 <|Sticky|> or use ktorrent that has the built in search
00:54 <spidey> search for "whatever" torrent
00:54 <spidey> like, a movie
00:54 <spidey> moviename torrent
00:54 <|Sticky|> or use ktorrent that has the built in search
00:54 <spidey> and it'll show sites that offer the torrent
00:55 <spidey> http://www.google.com/search?q=major+payne+torrent&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=com.google:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
00:55 <spidey> simple :p
00:56 <|Sticky|> http://www.mininova.org/ still going strong
00:56 <Lucifer_arma> man, I don't have 54.33GB to get the whole series
00:56 <spidey> of what?
00:57 <spidey> i managed to fit 9 seasons of xfiles in 30gb
00:57 <spidey> decent quality to
00:57 <|Sticky|> heh
00:57 <|Sticky|> of what?
00:57 <|Sticky|> Lucifer_arma: again use ktorrent and it will allow you to select which files inside the iso/archive that you want and ignores the rest
00:57 <spidey> sticky, and bittorrent client does that
00:58 <spidey> any*
00:58 <spidey> azuerze, utorrent
00:58 <DrJoeTron> |Sticky| demonoid is good to
00:58 <DrJoeTron> utorrent is windows only
00:58 <spidey> wine ftw
00:58 <Lucifer_arma> that's ds9
00:58 <|Sticky|> wine fts
00:58 <Lucifer_arma> I read the wikipedia article about it and thought I might like to see it after all
00:58 <Lucifer_arma> I'll wait until after I get kubuntu onto this box
00:59 <|Sticky|> ds9 rocks
01:00 <spidey> speaking of tv shows
01:01 <spidey> i'm only on season 2 of xfiles
01:01 <spidey> so i'ma go watch them ,bbl
01:07  * digitx is away (bye)
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02:11 <DrJoeTron> holy shiiit
02:11 <DrJoeTron> id software on steam
02:13 <spidey> ?
02:16 <DrJoeTron> http://www.steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=game&AppId=2340
02:16 <DrJoeTron> what a weird world we live in
02:18 <spidey> nice, i'm not sure if having tremulous devs registering on our forum is a good thing, or bad
02:18 <DrJoeTron> armagetron?
02:18 <spidey> tremulous
02:18 <spidey> why would i care if armagetron devs registered?
02:18 <spidey> they probably wouldn't anyways :p
02:19 <DrJoeTron> <spidey> tremulous devs registering on our forum
02:19 <spidey> tremulous != armagetron
02:19 <DrJoeTron> our forum = armagetron forums
02:19 <spidey> fa forums
02:19 <DrJoeTron> spideys forum = clam forum
02:20 <spidey> i don't visit aa forums, so why would i refer to them when i mention something like that?
02:20 <spidey> whem/then
02:20 <spidey> them)
02:20 <spidey> fuck it
02:28  * GodTodd fucks it.
02:29 <DrJoeTron> o hi
02:30 <DrJoeTron> nice nvidia drivers >:(
02:35 <spidey> heh
02:36 <spidey> i have a cruel idea
02:36 <GodTodd> hrmm...i should probably do some homework this weekend... :/
02:36 <spidey> got a bunch of assholes that like to play on your server? have a server you really hate? just redirect them all to the server you hate :p
02:36 <spidey> iptables ftw
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03:01 <spidey> the hideous luke-jr|work is here! O:
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03:26 <spidey> Open the .mkv file in VLC. Then druing playback press ctrl+i and check Advanced Information tab. Look for video codec. If it is AVC1 and the resolution of the video is big (like 1280x720p) you might not have enough CPU power on your computer
03:26 <spidey> so, a p4 2.4ghz isn't enough to play a 4gb mkv?!
03:42 <spidey> ok
03:42 <spidey> so appearently you need a super computer to play a 4gb mkv
03:42 <spidey> -.-
04:02 <tramshed> its probably more of a ram issue I would think
04:16 <spidey> 512mb
04:17 <spidey> it plays fine in windows media player classic
04:17 <spidey> though
04:17 <spidey> the audio/video syncing is way off
04:17 <spidey> and i couldn't get it to sync right
04:17 <spidey> so i just deleted it, downloading a divx copy now
04:21 <xfroggy> man vlc is laggy for me on linux
04:22 <spidey> -caps
04:22 <spidey> but large files it doesn't like
04:22 <spidey> shoots the cpu usage upto 100%
04:23 <spidey> haha
04:23 <spidey> they say "pwn" in from dusk till dawn
04:33 <luke-jr|work> spidey: ...
04:33 <luke-jr|work> I work at home now, so... :p
04:40 <spidey> haha
04:41 <spidey> "all our lives, you've been a preacher, then one day...you're just gonna wake up and say fuck him?"..." i didn't say fuck him"
04:41 <spidey> xD
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09:06 <MrBougo> hihoo
09:41 <MrBougo> Tramshed__?
09:43 <Tramshed__> poot
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09:59 <MrBougo> tramshed! help meee!
09:59 <MrBougo> i forgot my fp password xDD
09:59 <tramshed> poot
09:59 <tramshed> hah
09:59 <MrBougo> ftp*
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11:06 <MrBougo> hiho philippeqc2
11:09 <philippeqc2> hello Mr B!
12:09 <spidey> 300 is a kickass movie :D
12:10 <spidey> hi philippeqc2 , long time no see :p
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14:17 <MrBougo> does anyone have itunes here?
14:39 <MrBougo> ok, problem solved
14:39 <MrBougo> MrBoto <3
14:39 <MrBoto> MrBoto <3 MrBougo too :3
14:39 <MrBougo> i'm so sad when i see the music charts
14:39 <MrBougo> only stuff i totally disagree with
14:40 <MrBougo> except with the audiojelly charts
14:46 <digitx> <3
14:46 <digitx> xD
14:46 <digitx> hi bugi
14:47 <digitx> comment va tu man?
14:49 <MrBougo> rofl!
14:49 <MrBougo> très bien, et toi?
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14:55 <MrBougo> hiho
14:55 <Monkey_arma> hiho
14:55 <MrBougo> hoi
14:55 <MrBougo> oho
14:56 <MrBougo> ohhi hhihihh hih o, i, hhh, h
14:57 <MrBougo> grah i LOVE this track!!!!
14:57 <MrBougo> Axwell - I Found You (Dubfire Remix)
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17:01 <noob7> is beta.armagetronad.net still down?
17:02 <noob7> erm wtf kind of site does is redirect now? luke-jrs wife`s ?
17:02 <tramshed> hah
17:04 <noob7> fucked up... I needs my res repo
17:05 <noob7> and that site is just crazy right wing weirdo stuff - sorry luke
17:06 <luke-jr|work> noob7: wtf?
17:06 <luke-jr|work> indeed, wtf
17:06 <luke-jr|work> and reload fixes it
17:07  * luke-jr|work blames squid
17:07 <noob7> yeah does fix it indeed
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17:11 <luke-jr|work> anyone else use squid?
17:12 <epsy> hi
17:12 <noob7> hay epsy
17:12 <Monkey_arma> hi
17:12 <kidanger> hi
17:12 <luke-jr|work> hi
17:12 <epsy> squid ? the sgbd ?
17:12 <epsy> *db
17:13 <luke-jr|work> the caching http proxy
17:13 <luke-jr|work> that is currently doing all my hosted sites
17:13 <epsy> ah
17:14 <hoop_tron> hayhay
17:14 <noob7> now I cant access catherine's site anymore :( I wanted to read why we shoulnd't cuss :(
17:14 <luke-jr|work> Corinne's*
17:14 <luke-jr|work> http://cora.dashjr.org
17:15 <noob7> sorry, and thanks
17:15 <luke-jr|work> squid is restarting at this moment tho
17:15 <epsy> is saw that :P
17:15 <epsy> *i
17:16 <luke-jr|work> hmm, config problem
17:16 <luke-jr|work> apparently the docs I am reading are too new
17:18 <digitx> luke-jr|work, bad
17:21 <tramshed> 1408 is pretty cool so far
17:23 <epsy> 1408 ??
17:23 <tramshed> the movie
17:23 <epsy> the year ?
17:23 <epsy> or what ? :D
17:23 <epsy> ah
17:23 <tramshed> its based off a short story by stephen king I read a few years ago
17:23 <tramshed> good stuff so far
17:26 <epsy> luke-jr|work, again ?
17:31 <noob7> redirects to your "(not so) cheap game server hosting" site now luke :p
17:32 <luke-jr|work> noob7: whatever that's supposed to mean
17:33  * luke-jr|work notes his prices are the lowest
17:33 <noob7> the beta subdomain
17:35 <luke-jr|work> there
17:35 <luke-jr|work> try it now
17:36 <noob7> works!
17:36 <noob7> some weird caching problems or random redirects? :p
17:36 <luke-jr|work> weird caching stuff
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17:37 <luke-jr|work> do me a favour and see if the uploading mechanism works
17:37 <luke-jr|work> z-man: hi
17:37 <noob7> epsy can you check the upload?
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17:38 <Lucifer_arma> ow
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17:39 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r7319 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/index.php: identify the user
17:39 <armabot> Executed aauptest: /home/supybot/a
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17:41 <luke-jr|work> http://beta.armagetronad.net/add-resource/
17:41 <luke-jr|work> if you can get a username other than your own, please tell me asap
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17:44 <luke-jr|work> hey, whoever made armagetronad-commits ML
17:44 <luke-jr|work> the whole non-members-are-moderated thing is stupid
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18:13 <Monkey_arma> how long has armagetron existed? including name changes etc...
18:19 <luke-jr|work> Monkey_arma: look at the oldest release...
18:21 <luke-jr|work> http://beta.armagetronad.net/?product=all&branch=Any&hideold=0
18:21 <luke-jr|work> 2000-01-29
18:26 <Monkey_arma> older than i thought
18:28 <hoop_tron> :O
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18:34 <epsy> hi Monkey_arma
18:39 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/epsy/fortress/too_little_sumo-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by epsy
18:39 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/epsy/fortress/too_little_sumo-0.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by epsy
18:39 <epsy> seems to work
18:40 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/epsy/fortress/too_little_sumo-0.0.3.aamap.xml: Resource by epsy
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19:07 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr|work: you're stupid
19:07 <digitx> xD
19:07 <digitx> luke-jr|work, bad!!!
19:08 <digitx> </3
19:08 <digitx> xD
19:08 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr|work should try keeping track of a commits list that's open to spammers
19:08 <epsy> any better port of the javascript str.charAt() than substr ?
19:10 <epsy> nope ?
19:14 <epsy> foreach ($flipTable as $i) {
19:14 <epsy>   $flipTable[$flipTable[$i]] = $i;
19:14 <epsy> }
19:14 <epsy> reading further in that... O_o
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19:32 <epsy> how we do insert specific chars in php ? i mean entering their nummer
19:33 <spidey> eh?
19:33 <epsy> like when you do ctrl + shift +2122 in a gtk app
19:34 <epsy> or when you do \u2235 in javascript
19:34 <spidey> heh
19:34 <spidey> like this
19:34 <spidey> well
19:34 <spidey> i can't do it in xchat
19:34 <epsy> lol
19:34 <epsy> in php not in gtk
19:34 <epsy> ^^
19:34 <epsy> the man says nothing about it :/
19:34 <spidey> 2122 doesn't do anything in pidgin =/
19:35 <spidey> but i'm guessing
19:35 <spidey> you'd just copy/paste it
19:35 <epsy> -.-
19:36 <spidey> give me
19:37 <spidey> a couple of random chars
19:41 <epsy> ah i found out...simply using their html code to display them
19:41 <epsy> xD
19:46 <spidey> http://www.bash.org/?28923
19:48 <epsy> didn't worked at all in fact...these aren't unicode -.-
19:48 <epsy> lol spidey
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20:01 <spidey> <Alwayz> linux is like the inlaw that shows up for christmas and no one knows why he's there, but he cooks amazing food
20:01 <spidey> <Cyriana> and molests your children
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20:18 <kidanger> .serverinfo epsy
20:19 <kidanger> #serverinfo epsy
20:19 <armabot> kidanger: epsy testserver: No online players.
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20:24 <MrBougo> hoi
20:26 <digitx> hoi
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20:34 <luke-jr|work> Lucifer_arma: you're stupid; what good is a commits list if most commits don't get on it?
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21:00 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr|work: you're stupid, because you haven't noticed me already telling people that I'm adding their email addresses (sourceforge ones most of us don't use) to the filter to let them through
21:00 <Lucifer_arma> just becuase it's your first and so far only commit since the list was created isn't my problem
21:09 <luke-jr|work> Lucifer_arma: I'm stupid because I don't notice you talking to other people and haven't done what you just said for my address?
21:10 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr|work: you're stupid because all you had to do was be quiet and the post would show up eventually, but you couldn't do that.  Couldn't even ask a simple question without getting all judgemental.
21:10 <Lucifer_arma> Fucking idiot
21:10  * digitx is away (bye)
21:11 <Lucifer_arma> if you subscribed, you'd see that the post went through.  and if you make another commit, you'll see that one go through as well.
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21:18 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: you should know that kids today don't wait for anything, it's done now or not at all ;)
21:18 <Lucifer_arma> funny you should say that right now, since I was just emailing a teacher to tell her about one of her students cheating during a test that I proctored
21:19 <Lucifer_arma> I omitted the name of the student, mostly because I don't know it, but also so the teacher could decide whether or not to act based on what facts I knew
21:19 <GodTodd> heh
21:19 <Lucifer_arma> she'll probably blow it off, because it wasn't outrageous, and probably wasn't a determining factor in her grade on the test anyway, and had more to do with trying to get away with shit than actually doing better on the test
21:20 <Lucifer_arma> (where both the teacher and the cheating student are female)
21:20 <Lucifer_arma> (yes, there are women that teach physics)
21:20 <GodTodd> not very many :)
21:21 <Lucifer_arma> well, for some reason, women in the lower physics classes outnumber men by a huge margin
21:21 <MrBougo> spider pig
21:21 <MrBougo> spider pig
21:21  * MrBougo dies
21:21 <Lucifer_arma> this particular class, which is for all intents and purposes a high school level class, has 1 man and 23 women
21:21 <Lucifer_arma> the general physics classes are about half and half, so I guess that's not a huge margin
21:21 <GodTodd> check the same number for university physics :)
21:21 <Lucifer_arma> but all of the women dropped my engineering physics class
21:22 <Lucifer_arma> (there were only 4 then, but the class finished with only 8 people in it anyway)
21:22 <GodTodd> wow
21:22 <Lucifer_arma> it was a night class, so it started with only 16 anyway
21:22 <Lucifer_arma> not like my calc 1 class that started with 36 and ended with 4
21:23 <Lucifer_arma> and two of those guys were in my physics class.  :)  Me and another guy
21:23 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, now that I've registered for classes, I'm anxious for the semester to start
21:23 <GodTodd> only one dropped in my calc 1 class
21:24 <Lucifer_arma> well, now that I've registered for classes *and* we know where the money's going to come from during the semester, I'm anxious for classes to start
21:24 <GodTodd> and one or two in my calc 2 class
21:24 <Lucifer_arma> do you have a late drop deadline?
21:24 <GodTodd> not sure
21:24 <Lucifer_arma> ours is usually a couple of weeks before finals
21:24 <GodTodd> i don't drop so i don't pay attention to it :)
21:24 <Lucifer_arma> and apparently its uncommon.  It's more common that you can drop in the first week, but that's it.
21:24 <GodTodd> yeah...ours they give you a bit of time
21:25 <Lucifer_arma> the last drop day for the summer semester just passed, it was Tuesday
21:25 <Lucifer_arma> and finals start a week from Monday
21:25 <Lucifer_arma> except for this general physics 2 class, where the instructor intends to give the final on Thursday and let everybody out a week early
21:25 <GodTodd> my final is on thursday
21:26 <Lucifer_arma> then school starts on, er, lemme see
21:26 <GodTodd> then i have 2.5 weeks til fall starts
21:26 <GodTodd> ours starts 8/27
21:26 <Lucifer_arma> the 27
21:26 <Lucifer_arma> yep, same day
21:26 <Lucifer_arma> it's the first day of school for my kids, too
21:26 <GodTodd> same here
21:27 <GodTodd> well...one kid anyway :)
21:27 <Lucifer_arma> :)
21:27 <Lucifer_arma> first day I go to Statics, and then Martial Arts Weapons
21:28 <GodTodd> i have data structures that monday
21:28 <GodTodd> then physics and....humanities i think
21:28 <GodTodd> that's tuesday
21:28 <Lucifer_arma> no class for me on tuesday
21:28 <MrBougo> http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/61392465/
21:28 <Lucifer_arma> but I have to go work :)
21:28 <MrBougo> haha
21:28 <Lucifer_arma> and the instructor who's class I'll be working is my physics teacher from the spring
21:29 <GodTodd> then i have govt II on wednesdays
21:29 <GodTodd> and physics and phys lab on Rs
21:29 <Lucifer_arma> oh good, it's a general physics class, too, not conceptual physics
21:29 <Lucifer_arma> R being sunday?
21:30 <GodTodd> R being ThuRsday
21:30 <Lucifer_arma> ah.  I'm off on R
21:30 <Lucifer_arma> well, I've got to work
21:30 <Lucifer_arma> work T/R, class M/W/F/S/U
21:30 <GodTodd> i'm off on F/S/U again :)
21:30 <Lucifer_arma> M/W is statics and marital arts weapons
21:30 <GodTodd> class on M/T/W/R
21:30 <Lucifer_arma> F is chemistry, for 6 friggin hours
21:31 <GodTodd> chem sucks
21:31 <Lucifer_arma> S is comp 2, and U is Speech
21:31 <GodTodd> i took my b and ran :)
21:31 <Lucifer_arma> then I've got US Gov. as distance learning
21:31 <GodTodd> as long as i do ok on the calc tests next week, i won't have to scramble to fit that in
21:32 <Lucifer_arma> heh
21:32 <Lucifer_arma> I had to do at least 15 credit hours this semester to get my AS in the spring
21:32 <Lucifer_arma> but I could only do 15 credit hours if I took intro to engineering, which got ruled out when my wife got a job
21:32 <Lucifer_arma> the non-intro to engineering semester has to be 16 credit hours
21:33 <Lucifer_arma> that's without PE.  Since I'm insisting on a PE class now, that makes it 16 and 17 credit hours respectively
21:33 <Lucifer_arma> so I wound up with the 17 hour semester this time, because intro to engineering in the spring is at a better time for me
21:34 <Lucifer_arma> also, I'm not feeling too good about you and my brother both catching up to me
21:34 <GodTodd> what semester did you start?
21:34 <Lucifer_arma> not that I'm going to be all that competitive, but I did start a ways before either of y'all :)
21:34 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, let's see, I've done 2.5 years so far?
21:34 <GodTodd> oh....wow
21:34 <GodTodd> hmmm
21:34 <Lucifer_arma> I started in the spring semester right after we got back to austin
21:34 <GodTodd> i'm completing year one
21:34 <GodTodd> :)
21:35 <Lucifer_arma> well, apparently I've been spinning my tires the last semester, and didn't advance much the semester before
21:35 <Lucifer_arma> so I'm still classed in the first semester of my second year (also not counting the math courses before calc 1, since my degree doesn't start until calc 1)
21:36 <Lucifer_arma> but then to make matters slightly more complicated in that fashion, I've decided to pick up some extra courses so I can get an AS before transferring
21:36 <GodTodd> yeah...mine either....which is why i took the 10 week gamble
21:36 <Lucifer_arma> my brother's going straight for his BS
21:36 <GodTodd> i already have one AS so i'm just going to go straight to the BS
21:36 <Lucifer_arma> well, the 10 week gamble wasn't a choice for me.  :/  I'd probably have taken it, too.  ;)
21:37 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, so you'll probably still wind up catching up with me, might even graduate before me
21:37 <Lucifer_arma> depends on how much my wife can keep working so I can focus on school.
21:37 <GodTodd> i'm shooting for may of 10
21:37 <Lucifer_arma> my brother hasn't faced any seriously tough shit yet, so we'll see what happens
21:37 <GodTodd> er june...whenever the graduation is :)
21:37 <Lucifer_arma> I was aiming for may of 10 also, but we'll see
21:38 <GodTodd> yeah...i've got it as a flexible goal
21:38 <Lucifer_arma> after this spring, all of my kids will be in school during the day, and if my wife is still working for these people, then daycare won't be a problem
21:38 <Lucifer_arma> so with any luck, I'll be able to step up the pace next fall
21:38 <Lucifer_arma> but since that's also when I transfer, we'll just have to see
21:39 <Lucifer_arma> my kids will be old enough to declare them latch key kids (at least two of them, which should be fine), so it won't even be a hard and fast rule that my wife get home before 3
21:39 <luke-jr|work> baked ground beef doesn't work
21:39 <luke-jr|work> fyi
21:39 <GodTodd> yeah....come fall i'll be rid of one kid during the day but still have a 1.5 year old....though i have grandparents i can fall back on if i absolutely have to
21:39 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr|work: of course, idiot
21:40 <GodTodd> baked ground beef works wonderfully in a casserole....you just have to know how to cook beyond boiling water :)
21:40 <Lucifer_arma> actually, baked ground beef does work.  It's called "meatloaf"
21:40 <GodTodd> that too :)
21:40 <GodTodd> or cheddar beef roll up
21:40 <luke-jr|work> by itself I mean
21:40 <GodTodd> i like that better
21:40 <Lucifer_arma> not that I ever make it, ground beef is nasty shit
21:41 <Lucifer_arma> there's a macaroni casserole my mom makes that's pretty good
21:41 <MrBougo> lol?
21:41 <GodTodd> the roll up is essentially a meat loaf stuffed with cheese and veggies
21:41 <Lucifer_arma> yep
21:41 <Lucifer_arma> wounds up looking like a cinnamon roll, only with no cinnamon, and no dough
21:41 <MrBougo> yummy
21:41 <MrBougo> veggies
21:42 <MrBougo> now i want to eat some
21:42 <MrBougo> mmh
21:42 <Lucifer_arma> you can do that with a skirt steak, too
21:42 <GodTodd> tho last night i made bbq ribs, fiesta potatoes and tortellini salad
21:42 <Lucifer_arma> or get a meat pounder and beat the shit out of luke's face--er, a piece of chicken (no difference, really), and roll that up
21:42 <MrBougo> cabbage with little pieces of bacon
21:42 <MrBougo> yummy
21:43 <GodTodd> cabbage makes me stinky fart
21:43 <GodTodd> i love it :)
21:43 <luke-jr|work> you guys know anything about electricity transport?
21:43 <Lucifer_arma> indeed
21:43 <MrBougo> stuffed cabbage
21:43 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr|work: everybody knows about electricity transport
21:43 <luke-jr|work> I know in a standard phone jack, there's 2 of 4 wires used for a single line
21:43 <MrBougo> i love cabbage
21:43 <Lucifer_arma> it's low voltage, though
21:43 <luke-jr|work> but can I use the other 2 wires plus one of the phone line's for stereo audio as well?
21:44 <Lucifer_arma> to transmit?
21:44 <luke-jr|work> put the audio positive on the 2 unused, and use the phone for termination
21:44 <Lucifer_arma> to transmit to someone else's phone, or just to use around your house?
21:45 <luke-jr|work> use around hte house
21:45 <luke-jr|work> I want the phone to be untouched by it
21:45 <Lucifer_arma> you can probably get away with it, with these problems:
21:45 <Lucifer_arma> every device plugged in is going to drain the signal, reduce the voltage of the signal essentially
21:45 <Lucifer_arma> so you'll need little preamps for every device
21:45 <Lucifer_arma> also, phone lines generally aren't well-shielded, so you'll get some noise in the lines
21:46 <Lucifer_arma> it's really better to just run new lines, and if you don't intend to use the phone lines that are there, you can actually use them and their outlets to feed a better cable
21:46 <Lucifer_arma> think about it like this:  they're not good enough to use as ethernet cables, so they're probably going to cause horrible sound to come out
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> normally I say "fuck the cables, they're not that important", which really just means cheap audio cables are as good as the really expensive snake oil cables
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> but phone cables have no shielding and run near some high voltage stuff
21:47 <MrBougo> wireless!
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> indeed.  It's not that hard to build a little wireless transmitter, and you can buy that stuff at Frye's
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, I've seen little transmitter/receiver pairs at Frye's that are designed to eliminate speaker wires
21:48 <GodTodd> they sell fm transmitters cheap :)
21:49 <luke-jr|work> hm
21:49 <luke-jr|work> or I could go 802.11 :)
21:49 <MrBougo> but wireless = batteries or stuff
21:49 <MrBougo> or more elctrical cables
21:49 <MrBougo> that sucks
21:49 <Lucifer_arma> I used to live in a house where someone had run audio cables
21:50 <Lucifer_arma> they only ran from my room to the living room, though, which shared a wall
21:50 <Lucifer_arma> so it was like "Oh, that's neat, but totally useless"
21:50 <MrBougo> lol
21:52 <Lucifer_arma> 802.11 is FM, isn't it?
21:52 <Lucifer_arma> yep
21:53 <luke-jr|work> MrBougo: or standard AC power
21:53 <MrBougo> yup
21:53 <luke-jr|work> 802.11 is WiFi...
21:53 <Lucifer_arma> FM = frequency modulation
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> don't you know anything?  ;)
21:54 <luke-jr|work> WiFi != FM
21:54 <luke-jr|work> don't you?
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> you have a carrier signal, say 93.7 khz, which has a certain frequency
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> then you modulate that frequency within a certain range, and that modulation is your actual signal
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> FM is just a method for transmitting wireless signals, FM Radio uses that method and a certain range of frequencies
21:55 <Lucifer_arma> but wifi uses FM to transmit its signal, but in a frequency range that's well outside what FM radio uses
21:55 <Lucifer_arma> in AM, they modulate the amplitude (hence the name), and keep the frequency constant
21:55 <Lucifer_arma> but in FM, the amplitude is kept constant and the frequency varies
21:56 <luke-jr|work> ok
21:57 <Lucifer_arma> looks like they use something a little fancier, actually
21:57 <GodTodd> if wifi and fm had nothing to do with each other then no one would have ever had problems dropping network when their cordless phone rang
21:58 <luke-jr|work> GodTodd: supposedly, noone does
21:58 <Lucifer_arma> used to
21:58 <GodTodd> they don't now
21:58 <luke-jr|work> my dad said he had that problem
21:58 <Lucifer_arma> if your phone used the same frequency, you could kill your wireless in certain settings
21:58 <GodTodd> since phones left 900 MHz and went to 2 GHz
21:59 <Lucifer_arma> one being where the base unit was located in a line between the wireless device and its router
21:59 <Lucifer_arma> sometimes if you used your phone and walked it in a way that caused it to intercept that line it would cause a drop as well
21:59 <GodTodd> yep
22:00 <Lucifer_arma> I used to have a lot of problems with that, but now I don't for some reason, even though the router and the phone base are next to each other
22:00 <GodTodd> what's the freq on the phone?
22:00 <Lucifer_arma> I forget :)
22:00 <GodTodd> is it a 900 or 2K?
22:00 <Lucifer_arma> I think it's still the same as the wireless
22:00 <GodTodd> if it's 2K you shouldn't have to worry about it
22:00 <Lucifer_arma> it's higher, I think it's up at 5k
22:01 <Lucifer_arma> ?  the 900mhz phones never interfered with wifi
22:01 <GodTodd> 2 GHz :P
22:01 <GodTodd> they did for my brother when he installed wireless at my mom's
22:01 <Lucifer_arma> I threw away the packaging, and I never notice the units anyway :)
22:01 <GodTodd> and it was standard tech training at earthlink that that could be an intermittent wireless network issue
22:02 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, I didn't have a problem until I got a phone whose frequency matched my wifi
22:02 <Lucifer_arma> and *that* problem I only had with the 802.11b card, I haven't had it at all with 802.11g
22:02 <MrBougo> bye
22:02 <luke-jr|work> MrBougo: !
22:02 <GodTodd> yeah...i think they did some imporvements on that for 802.11g
22:02 <Lucifer_arma> but when I still used a 900mhz phone, no problem.  Just that we could hear our upstairs neighbor's conversations on it, so we had to update
22:02 <GodTodd> improvements*
22:03 <Lucifer_arma> only, why it was that in 2001 we had a chordless phone that picked up another chordless phone's signal is beyond me
22:03 <luke-jr|work> Lucifer_arma: keep the old phone for kicks?
22:03 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr|work: not if you respect other people's privacy, as well as respecting your own.
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22:04 <luke-jr|work> what kind of person would think a phone conversation is private?
22:05 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: you should know better than that....anything beginning with "respect" is an alien concept ;)
22:05 <Lucifer_arma> a reasonably person
22:05 <Lucifer_arma> *reasonable
22:05 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, the supreme court has ruled time and time again that phone conversations are considered private
22:05 <Lucifer_arma> and that a person using a phone has a reasonable expectancy of privacy
22:06 <Lucifer_arma> that's why wiretapping is illegal without due process
22:06 <luke-jr|work> I hope your life never depends on your phone calls being private
22:06 <luke-jr|work> yeah, sure, tell that to the Patriot Act
22:06 <Lucifer_arma> you can't talk to laws
22:06 <luke-jr|work> sure you can
22:06 <luke-jr|work> they just can't listen
22:06 <Lucifer_arma> and the patriot act steps on quite a few rights that are encoded within the bill of rights
22:07 <luke-jr|work> that's my point...
22:07 <Lucifer_arma> but that's normal fare in our country anyway.  You can pretend the patriot act is something new and dangerous, but it's actually very common in times of war for the government to suspect a number of rights
22:07 <Lucifer_arma> try being German in the US in 1918, or Japanese in 1943
22:07 <Lucifer_arma> to say nothing of the shit that went down during the Civil War
22:07 <Lucifer_arma> the patriot act is lame by comparison
22:08 <luke-jr|work> there is no war
22:08 <luke-jr|work> just oppression
22:08 <Lucifer_arma> there's a difference?
22:08 <luke-jr|work> I'm pretty sure the other side has to fight back for a war
22:08 <Lucifer_arma> they aren't fighting back?
22:08 <luke-jr|work> if they are, news to me
22:09 <Lucifer_arma> no surprise, damn kid
22:09 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: of course not...we all know that *every* soldier that has died over there was shot by bush
22:09 <luke-jr|work> defense is not fighting back
22:09 <GodTodd> then wtf is defense?
22:09 <luke-jr|work> fighting back would be sending bombers over here
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> I'm so glad you weren't put in charge of american forces in 1776 :)
22:10 <GodTodd> fighting back is the definition of defense you idiot
22:11  * GodTodd wants luke-jr|work to defend his house and family with*out* fighting back
22:11 <luke-jr|work> fighting back would be going on offense
22:11 <GodTodd> how would you defend yourself against a burglar?
22:11 <luke-jr|work> shoot him
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> what was the hostage crisis in Beirut, then?
22:12 <GodTodd> that's fighting back, moron
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> or the one in Tehran?
22:12 <luke-jr|work> nope
22:12 <GodTodd> yep
22:12 <luke-jr|work> fighting back would be chasing him off into the street
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> the bombing of some US ship in africa...
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> then of course the 9/11 attacks
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> those were all offensive actions
22:12 <luke-jr|work> but 9/11 was Bush
22:13 <luke-jr|work> and nobody claims it was Iraq
22:13 <Lucifer_arma> no it wasn't
22:13 <GodTodd> ahhh should have known.... luke-jr|work is one of *those* idiots :)
22:13 <luke-jr|work> never heard of the other stuff
22:13 <Lucifer_arma> how can you say that 9/11 was bush and still say he's an idiot?
22:13 <luke-jr|work> there is sufficient evidence to determine that Bush was involved in at least covering up the real cause of 9/11
22:13 <Lucifer_arma> besides, you've played enough freeciv to know that the iraq invasion is a strategically viable move
22:14 <luke-jr|work> doesn't make it right
22:14 <luke-jr|work> you want to play freeciv?
22:14 <Lucifer_arma> I haven't said any of this stuff was right, just that it is what is
22:14 <GodTodd> oh...more fodder for our china/russia taking us down theory, Lucifer_arma
22:14 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: yep :)
22:14 <GodTodd> seen the latest recalls?
22:14 <Lucifer_arma> ?  oh, I thought you were talking about luke.
22:14 <GodTodd> lead paint on toys and tread separation on tires
22:14 <Lucifer_arma> you mean the toy recalls?
22:15 <GodTodd> all stuff made in china
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22:15 <GodTodd> they're trying to kill us :)
22:15 <Lucifer_arma> doing who knows what kinds of economic damage to us :)
22:15 <GodTodd> yep
22:15 <luke-jr|work> you want to play freeciv?
22:15 <Lucifer_arma> yes, but I'm not going to
22:15 <GodTodd> so...once we attack iran, we're open for the russia/china gambit
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think there's even a candidate running right now that isn't going to ultimately attack Iran
22:16 <luke-jr|work> won't Iran nuke us?
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> see, that's the rub.  Attacking Iraq was a good idea as long as it was only al-qaeda that was going to come and fight us
22:17 <GodTodd> yep
22:17 <Lucifer_arma> but since Iran's gotten involved, and bush and his administration wasn't competent enough to run the war properly anyway, we've got no chance to defeat al-qaeda in iraq
22:17 <luke-jr|work> we only did send all our nuclear research to Iran a few months ago...
22:17 <GodTodd> now it's going to be us against middle east/asia
22:17 <Lucifer_arma> and let's not forget that Russia's in bed with Iran
22:17 <GodTodd> that's part of asia
22:17 <GodTodd> :P
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> maybe they're not terribly close at the moment, but once the US sends bombers into Iran, Russia's gonna jump on their side and knock out the few territories near them that are causing problems
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> and feed the insurgency in Iran that's sure to rise
22:18 <GodTodd> we're pretty close to another world war, methinks
22:18 <GodTodd> britain and canada will, of course, back us to the gates of hell
22:19 <GodTodd> mexico doesn't much like us (rather, fox doesn't like bush)
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> fox is out of office
22:19 <GodTodd> europe could go either way possibly
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> I forget who got elected after him, but they had a big fight over who the winner was
22:19 <GodTodd> i thought so...but i haven't heard much about the new president
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> a fight worthy of Al Gore :)
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> still PRN, iirc
22:20 <GodTodd> africa will probably just fight themselves still and act as a land bridge for (for want of better terms) axis and allied powers
22:21 <GodTodd> we need the penguins on our side!
22:21 <GodTodd> :)
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> heh
22:21 <GodTodd> have we even sent an emissary to antarctica yet?
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> did you see the UN is going to send troops to Darfur?
22:21 <GodTodd> great
22:21 <GodTodd> more distractions
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think the penguins can swim far enough to help us
22:22 <GodTodd> russia should love that
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> Russia was in the unanimous vote, after all :)
22:22 <GodTodd> of course....the more the un is distracted, the less they'll notice/do anything about the retaking of territories :)
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> they've been ignoring the occupation of Chechnya for awhile now
22:23 <GodTodd> exactly
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> of course they're going to ignore that, since it's Russia doing the occupation, and they'll veto even talking about it
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> I think the best move to get al-qaeda, strategically, right now, is to hit pakistan
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> go to india and promise them kashmere, and then hit pakistan
22:25 <GodTodd> that might work....india is on the fence for the most part, aren't they?
22:25 <Lucifer_arma> ignore Iran and force al-qaeda and iran to meet us in Iraq nd Pakistan
22:25 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know if India supports our invasion, it's possible they're too close to the area to be iwlling to take a stand
22:26 <Lucifer_arma> but if we promise them we'll fuck over Pakistan just like we've done Iraq and that they'll be able to take kashmere, they'd support us, I'll bet
22:26 <Lucifer_arma> then we can use nukes and blame india for them :)
22:26 <GodTodd> haha
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> in the end, India gets kashmere, we get to occupy the key territories that al-qaeda uses, and we piss off india to the point where they won't let us outsource to them anymore
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> can't lose
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> man, I should run for president
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> er, I'm too young still, nvm
22:27 <GodTodd> wonder how long til we see a Parry running for president :/
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, what I think is going to happen is we'll attack Iran instead, pull out of Iraq, and just keep our military stretched to the breaking point in wars they can't win
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> David Parry?
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> oh wait, you meant our governor, didn't you?
22:28 <GodTodd> him or chris
22:28 <GodTodd> no
22:28 <GodTodd> that would suck too tho
22:28 <GodTodd> heh
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, David Parry might do alright
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> he'd be better than Bush, at least
22:28 <GodTodd> too right wing for my taste
22:29 <GodTodd> at least he was then
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> of course, luke would probably be better than Bush
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> didn't he wind up turning away from church too?
22:29 <GodTodd> possibly
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> I seem to recall him asking me to quit talking shit about how he loved Jesus because he quit loving Jesus....
22:30 <GodTodd> heh if luke-jr|work was president i'd have to have a crash course in learning to say "oot" and "aboot" ;)
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> he was still a self-righteous know-it-all prick, those are prerequisites for being president anyway
22:30 <GodTodd> true
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> see, you were in the English class with me, Danny, Don, and Spot, right?
22:32 <GodTodd> i'm going to run for president when i grow up
22:32 <GodTodd> yeah
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> so the right-wing nutjobs sat on the right, and the left-wing nutjobs sat on the left, remember that?
22:32 <GodTodd> yep
22:32 <GodTodd> :)
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> David Parry sat in the middle because when he became a right-wing nutjob, he pissed all of us off, then he stopped being a right-wing nutjob and pissed all of them off
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> so while he took their side in most arguments, he was never on their side
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> and his own side was usually his own anyway, even if it seemed to agree with them
22:33 <GodTodd> yep
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> speaking of nutjobs, 'morning guru3
22:35 <guru3> good morning Lucifer_arma
22:36 <epsy> #last --with epsy
22:36 <armabot> epsy: [20:23:04] <kidanger> #serverinfo epsy
22:36 <epsy> ??
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: I got a PM from Psyko complaining that MC Hammer didn't want him to edit the wiki
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> I told him to click the link and he'll get an edit form, and he didn't reply, but I wanted to mention it to you in case you thought it might be worth adding something to tell people they can edit it still
22:38 <guru3> -_-
22:38 <guru3> i thought that was quite clever for anti-spam
22:39 -!- xfroggy_ is now known as xfroggy
22:39 <guru3> was also thinking about adding in other rotating lyrics
22:39 <epsy> omg LOL
22:39 <guru3> like 'burn baby burn' and then 'disco inferno!'
22:49 <Lucifer_arma> does it matter if the master server requires bash to run?
22:49 <guru3> beats me :>
22:50 <guru3> didn't belenus check on that
22:50 <guru3> with the openbsd stuff?
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22:51 <Ill00> hello all, does anybody have DUB's email?
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think he fooled with the master server, just the game server
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> and the masterserver starter script has quite a few bashisms apparently
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, my master server is back up for now
22:53 <guru3> cool
22:53  * luke-jr|work ponders whether to buy a UPS or extension cord
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> er, how do I tell ubuntu to start a initscript on boot?  ;/
22:54 <tramshed> beats me
22:54 <luke-jr|work> wtf is tramshed ? :p
22:54 <guru3> put a symlink in /etc/rc.<runlevel>
22:54 <luke-jr|work> Lucifer_arma: probably update-rc.d or such
22:55 <tramshed> hah
22:55 <tramshed> I cant seem to compile a working kernel for this craptop
22:55 <tramshed> its irritating
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> ok, done
22:55 <tramshed> they all keep locking up partway through boot
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr|work: he's /dev/null
22:55 <tramshed> aye
22:55 <luke-jr|work> at least he's not another windozeluser
22:55 <tramshed> I just cant seem to remember that password
22:55 <luke-jr|work> oh, the old devnull?
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> nah, but he is an emo kid :)
22:56 <tramshed> hah, emo can suckle upon my nuggets
22:56 <guru3> the smoke was flaming, out of control
22:56 <guru3> it was so entertaining when the boogy started to explode
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> tramshed: sure it's the kernel and not some other thing, like udev?
22:56 <tramshed> not really offhand
22:57 <tramshed> I got irritated and tossed it
22:57 <tramshed> its not even my laptop
22:57 <tramshed> I lost all my hardware
22:57 <tramshed> dunno how happy they will be to get it back with a different OS
22:57 <tramshed> its hard to split up a 30gig hd to dual boot effectively when you download like I do too
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> probably won't notice
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> my own experience is nobody notices I'm not using windows
22:57 <tramshed> once I get a server Im going to put World Of Hate back up
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> even if they sit down to use it, they *still* don't notice
22:58 <tramshed> this line has good latentcy and an ok up
22:58 <tramshed> hah
22:58 <luke-jr|work> tramshed: I host Arma servers; http://lightfoot.dashjr.org
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> #quote get 47
22:58 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #47: "ooo, a fez. I would look awesome in a fez -- Lucifer_arma (2007-04-12 19:38)" (added by MrBougo at 08:48 AM, April 15, 2007)
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> #quote get 48
22:58 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #48: "i'm a woindwos user --MrBougo" (added by Lucifer_arma at 09:12 AM, June 24, 2007)
22:58 <tramshed> hah, im cheap
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> #quote get 49
22:58 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #49: "<ToddBot> #echo !echo #echo !echo #echo !echo #echo !echo #echo !echo #echo !echo #echo !echo" (added by epsy at 03:52 PM, July 09, 2007)
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> oh nvm
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> #quote get 46
22:58 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: There is no Quote with id #46 in my database for #armagetron.
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> #quote get 45
22:59 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #45: "better an idiot that can admit it than a luke-jr....er, idiot that can't --GodTodd" (added by Lucifer_arma at 03:35 AM, March 12, 2007)
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> fine!  I don't know which one it is!
22:59 <luke-jr|work> Lucifer_arma: you don't know much of anything
22:59 <tramshed> Ive got some pretty wicked webhosting though
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr|work doesn't like wickedness
22:59 <tramshed> Im gonna try to talk them into giving me shell access
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> it doesn't smell like jesus
22:59 <luke-jr|work> tramshed: I could do some webhosting with shell access
23:00 <tramshed> could you give me a TB of space and TB/monthly throughput?
23:00 <GodTodd> #quote get 21
23:00 <armabot> GodTodd: Quote #21: "<Luke-Jr_work__> btw, pedophile is good" (added by spidey at 06:34 AM, September 09, 2006)
23:00 <tramshed> hah
23:00 <tramshed> I guess these guys were supposed to give us shell access anyways
23:01 <tramshed> so we basically just got bug em
23:01 <tramshed> run a coupla eggies and a tron server once I get it
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23:01 <luke-jr|work> tramshed: um, not TB of storage, but bw sure
23:02 <tramshed> heh, storage is an issue for me
23:02 <luke-jr|work> 200 GB perhaps
23:02 <tramshed> lol, theres more than that already there
23:02 <tramshed> pretty large ftp is involved
23:03 <luke-jr|work> how important is latency and reliability, then?
23:03 <tramshed> Once I get a box im just gonna run the server from here
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23:04 <tramshed> I get consistent low latentcy pings to a most places here
23:04  * epsy looks around himself
23:05 <tramshed> now, no more salesmanning out of you, heh
23:05 <luke-jr|work> tramshed: I seem to have about 40ms out to the net
23:05 <tramshed> pretty close to what I get
23:05 <tramshed> im around 50
23:05 <tramshed> they just installed all the crap out here because of a HUGE casino
23:05 <tramshed> so its in good condition and new lines
23:06 <luke-jr|work> hm
23:06 <tramshed> im about a quarter mile from said casino, so I reap the benefits
23:06 <luke-jr|work> and how much bw?
23:06 <tramshed> 3mbit
23:06 <tramshed> I could upgrade to 6
23:06 <luke-jr|work> ew
23:06 <luke-jr|work> my available tiers are 3, 7, and 12
23:06 <tramshed> tron uses like 20k,heh
23:07 <luke-jr|work> 6k per player, about
23:07 <luke-jr|work> and that's bytes
23:07 <tramshed> my web server has stupid bandwidth
23:07 <luke-jr|work> actually
23:07 <luke-jr|work> 6kbyte/sec per player sounds wrong
23:07 <tramshed> way wrong
23:07 <luke-jr|work> I forget :)
23:07 <tramshed> tron doesnt use jack
23:07 <luke-jr|work> maybe it was per minute or such
23:08 <tramshed> as long as you got good latentcy you can run a decent tron server
23:08 <tramshed> (Assuming you arnt tardcore)
23:08 <luke-jr|work> depends on upload bw and # of players
23:08 <tramshed> true, thats why you cap the server at the max you can handle
23:08 <luke-jr|work> :p
23:09 <tramshed> this stupid craptop couldnt run tron servers
23:09 <tramshed> it likes to choke when I run a bittorrent, websurf, and watch a movie at the same time
23:09 <tramshed> like total hardcore lockup
23:09 <luke-jr|work> sounds like wifi
23:09 <tramshed> nope
23:09 <luke-jr|work> yes it does
23:09 <luke-jr|work> :p
23:09 <tramshed> this things is too dumb to have wifi
23:10 <tramshed> I hate this laptop
23:10 <luke-jr|work> still sounds like it
23:10 <tramshed> sometimes the iokl,. keys stop working
23:10 <tramshed> I have to hit it until they come back
23:10 <luke-jr|work> tramshed: I would love to have your business hosting a high bandwidth website... I need an excuse to get business-class cable here ;)
23:11 <tramshed> lol
23:11 <tramshed> well, my current webserver is paid up pretty far in advance, hehe
23:11 <luke-jr|work> aw
23:11 <tramshed> my guy pays for it, I just stock it and manage the stuff on it
23:13 <tramshed> man
23:13 <tramshed> theres these two guys on vendetta speaking hungarian
23:13 <tramshed> its possibly the coolest language ever written
23:13 <epsy> no verbs ?
23:14 <epsy> or it extends on more lines easly, like in php ?
23:15 <luke-jr|work> digitx: hungary
23:15 <tramshed>  [100] <Devil Dante> nekem nincs olyan [100] <Devil Dante> hallod amiet akarok en hajot annak 1-es is kell meg 2-tes is [100] <Devil Dante> en mek javitani neked nem kell ?
23:15 <tramshed> its entertaining as hell to watch these guys talk
23:16 <tramshed> I cant even catch the tiniest idea of wtf they are saying
23:16 <tramshed> but they have some pretty interestingly spelled words
23:17 <tramshed> wheee, decompressing a 500mb rar
23:17 <luke-jr|work> pfft, rar
23:17 <tramshed> I know, uha > *
23:17 <luke-jr|work> #last --from digitx --with hungary
23:18 <luke-jr|work> wtf is uha
23:18 <armabot> luke-jr|work: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 50000 messages.
23:18 <tramshed> slow as dirt
23:18 <tramshed> but ive seen it compress 500mb into 80mb before
23:18 <luke-jr|work> .......
23:18 <tramshed> its pretty impressive
23:18 <luke-jr|work> better than 7z?
23:18 <tramshed> dunno about 7z
23:18 <tramshed> never used 7z
23:19 <tramshed> I know you can spend a few hours compressing anything of size though
23:19 <tramshed> but it WILL compress
23:19 <luke-jr|work> never heard of uha
23:20 <tramshed> its not commonly used because of its speed
23:20 <tramshed> a lot of warez groups use it though because of the insane compression you can get
23:21 <tramshed> haha, stupid laptop is getting pwned by the rar
23:24 <tramshed> hrm, wikipedia claims the only thing better than uha is PAQ
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23:28 <luke-jr|work> tramshed: that's not in portage either
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