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Log from 2007-05-17:
--- Day changed Thu May 17 2007
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00:12 <mkzelda> http://mashup1.ytmnd.com/
00:13 <mkzelda> haha
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00:19 <ghableska> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6662213.stm <-- and I thought this sort of thing only happened in Texas
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00:28 <Vanhayes> hmm, is there anyway to split up spawn points for a team?
00:37 <_Sticky_> heh well excluding babies from americas vital well armed militia would be agest
00:40 <DrJoeTron> we're forming a militia?
00:41 <_Sticky_> well thats why you are allowed arms...so you can maintain a militia and not require a standing army
00:42 <_Sticky_> also note America haa the largest standing army in to world
00:42 <_Sticky_> too many typos
00:48 <_Sticky_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH-c3IuhWf0 ... fantastic
00:53 <_Sticky_> alwayes with the god stuff
00:58 <_Sticky_> clearly self-defense does not require easily conceilable hand guns..why not just leigalise rifles/shot guns so you can defend your home then get rid of hand guns
01:05 <Vanhayes> what would the gangs use to defend their territory then?
01:06 <_Sticky_> true the gangs right to protect themselfes from being diss'ed probably is protected in the constitution somewhere
01:11 <Vanhayes> why would you need to carry a gun on your person?
01:12 <Vanhayes> you carry a gun on you whenerver you go out?
01:12 <_Sticky_> you cant count walking around with a gun as part of self defense
01:12 <_Sticky_> wow
01:12 <Vanhayes> wow thats, uh , cool
01:12 <_Sticky_> youre insane
01:13 <Vanhayes> do you get harrassed that often?
01:14 <Vanhayes> i will never need a gun, since I dont hunt
01:14 <_Sticky_> quick incident from South africa:  two guys start shooting at each other at a train station, everyone in the vicinity take cover and start shooting by the end 12 are dead and noone knew why it started, since the first guys got shot and everyone else just kept shooting at each other
01:15 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Vanhayes/fortress/double_fortress-0.1.0.aamap.xml: Resource by Vanhayes
01:15 <_Sticky_> so can i go out and get drunk with a gun luke-jr?
01:16 <Vanhayes> blasphamy
01:16 <_Sticky_> dear lord
01:16 <Vanhayes> you are dead to me
01:16 <vinavil> how do you explain most countries people walk around withour guns?
01:16 <Vanhayes> DEAD
01:16 <vinavil> false
01:16 <_Sticky_> luke-jr: MABEY but they have low murder rates
01:17 <Vanhayes> so is there a way to edit something once it is uploaded to the repository
01:17 <Vanhayes> hmm
01:18 <Vanhayes> so.. id just change the version to 0.1.1 if it was 0.1.0?
01:18 <_Sticky_> you are more likely to get mugged in london than NY but i would prefer to be mugged in london as the chances of them having a gun are almost nill
01:18 <Vanhayes> most of the crime in canada is drunk driving and drugs
01:19 <_Sticky_> alot when it carries 10 extra years on the sentance
01:19 <Vanhayes> armed robbery
01:19 <Vanhayes> aposed to theft
01:20 <vinavil> luke-jr: human is unique animal that kills his own kind, self-defense is a insane way to be aggressive without anything concrete needed to be, it is a mania which americans are famous for
01:20 <_Sticky_> well the uk gun deaths are non existant compaired to USA so yes gun prohibition does work
01:20 <vinavil> lol
01:20 <vinavil> sure it is
01:21 <vinavil> false
01:21 <vinavil> have you ever read something about?
01:22 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Vanhayes/fortress/double_fortress-0.1.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Vanhayes
01:22 <vinavil> language isnt the only what to communicate your thought
01:22 <Vanhayes> hmm, so no one knows if there is a way to change where part of the team spawns
01:22 <_Sticky_> i would disagree that killing ones own species is purely human
01:22 <mkzelda> ya its not
01:23 <Vanhayes> luke-jr: ever see a chimp through poo? thats pretty abstract
01:23 <mkzelda> killing ones own species is not limited to humans
01:23 <Vanhayes> nope thats pretty much any animal
01:24 <vinavil> luke-jr: how do you think an animal could know if you have abstract thought?
01:24 <mkzelda> luke-jr knows that animals cant have abstract thought b/c he communicates with them
01:24 <_Sticky_> oh dear we are about 3 posts away from the evolution argument again
01:24 <Vanhayes> coacoa knew 200 words in sign, knew the signs and what the signs meant
01:25 <vinavil> designed? lol
01:25 <z-man> Evolution!
01:25 <mkzelda> lol
01:25 <z-man> (just for the three post prediction :) )
01:25 <vinavil> where do you come from luke-jr?
01:25 <vinavil> no, really
01:25 <mkzelda> kansas
01:25 <mkzelda> they have some crazy water there
01:25 <_Sticky_> this dosent change the fact that allowing people to carry guns anywhere to protect themselfs is insane
01:26 <Vanhayes> well before this goes too far, is there no way to split up a team's spawn points?
01:26 <mkzelda> actually ppl need guns
01:26 <vinavil> so americans really trust in god? like in movies?
01:26 <Vanhayes> z-man: is there anyway to split up where a team spawns?
01:27 <mkzelda> yes, all americans are exactly like luke-jr, like all europeans think
01:27 <mkzelda> americans are only physical
01:27 <Vanhayes> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/Vanhayes/fortress/double_fortress-0.1.1.aamap.xml  - I wanted to try to get half the team in each fortress map
01:27 <vinavil> pagan? like ancient greeks?
01:27 <Vanhayes> anything not true christian=pagan
01:27 <Vanhayes> er catholic* sorry
01:28 <vinavil> lol?
01:28 <mkzelda> luke-jr no diff between christian and catholic?
01:28 <Vanhayes> right the only true chritian is a catholic I forgot
01:28 <vinavil> lol!
01:28 <mkzelda> i was just at the catholic church and they made me take a survey
01:28 <mkzelda> and it asked if i was christian or catholic
01:28 <mkzelda> or some other choices
01:29 <_Sticky_> heh the catholic in my office keeps asking why i support satan
01:30 <vinavil> it is not the same, not for catholics
01:30 <z-man> Vanhayes: no, a team will always spawn together.
01:30 <z-man> You can loosen up the formation with settings, spread them further.
01:31 <vinavil> luke.jr: ... learn Italian please
01:31 <vinavil> bene
01:31 <mkzelda> b/c satan parties hard
01:31 <vinavil> come dicevo
01:31 <Vanhayes> hmm, could you do that with only one side or would it have to be with both?
01:31 <mkzelda> for you europeans: not all americans are kompletely krazy katholics
01:31 <vinavil> i cattolici sono solo una parte dei cristiani
01:31 <_Sticky_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdocQHsPCNM fantastic vid
01:32 <vinavil> i cristiani possono essere cattolici, protestanti, ebrei
01:32 <vinavil> etc etc
01:32 <z-man> Vanhayes: it'll be on both sides.
01:32 <vinavil> no, loro protestano contro la chiesa del vaticano
01:32 <mkzelda> who burns humans?
01:33 <vinavil> non quella di cristo
01:33 <mkzelda> am i like really lagged or something?
01:33 <vinavil> non so che significhi
01:34 <vinavil> in ogni caso io non sono ne cattolico ne protestante
01:34 <mkzelda> why doesnt someone go burn satan
01:34 <mkzelda> he sounds like an asshole
01:34 <vinavil> luke-jr: Italian
01:34 <vinavil> luke-jr: no
01:34 <vinavil> i dont mind
01:35 <vinavil> non esiste una lingua standard
01:35 <vinavil> dal momento che non esiste un paese standard
01:35 <vinavil> anche se gli stati uniti d'america vorrebbero esserlo
01:35 <mkzelda> satan is just a mythical creature in those childhoold storytales like santa, the easter bunny and jesus
01:36 <mkzelda> i have proof
01:36 <mkzelda> its all in a book
01:36 <mkzelda> THE BOOK
01:36 <mkzelda> to rule all others
01:36 <mkzelda> actually, i am right
01:36 <mkzelda> i know so, its in a book
01:36 <vinavil> neanche i brasiliani credono in satana
01:36 <mkzelda> and its the only real book
01:36 <_Sticky_> one book to rule them all one book to find them ...
01:36 <mkzelda> youll find out you're wrong when you die
01:37 <vinavil> vedi? un altra maniera di essere cristiani, ma non cattolici
01:37 <mkzelda> and ill be laughing from my 65536th layer of heaven
01:38 <vinavil> quindi siete tutti credenti? che gente strana, pensavo i credenti esistessero solo in america ed in italia, invece poi ci sono pure in polonia, in russia, dappertutto. è un'invasione
01:38 <mkzelda> no wai
01:39 <vinavil> nessun ateo qui?
01:40 <vinavil> a proposito di scimmie parlanti, leggevo un articolo del the economist qualche tempo fa, ma voi americani siete ancora creazionisti?
01:40 <vinavil> probabilmente sì
01:41 <vinavil> che strana cosa
01:41 <mkzelda> whats all this howler monkey stuff?
01:41 <mkzelda> multiple personality disorder?
01:42 <vinavil> vuole dimostrare che gli animali non hanno pensiero astratto tramite battute su scimmie parlanti. evidentemente lo insegnano nelle scuole americane
01:43 <vinavil> è divertente, finché non capisci il lato drammatico della cosa
01:43 <mkzelda> deflection is a convenience often utilized by those unable to properly argue
01:44 <_Sticky_> just pop a cap at him luke-jr, that will sort him out
01:44 <vinavil> un paese che pretende di "sviluppare" paesi "sottosviluppati" e si affida ad una credenza vecchia 2000 anni è poco credibile
01:45 <vinavil> sticky: è stato lui ad affermare che io dovrei "imparare l'Inglese". se non apprezza il mio sforzo nel parlare la SUA lingua, perché dovrei farlo?
01:46 <vinavil> evidentemente non si rende conto della difficoltà, essendo l'inglese la sua lingua nativa
01:47 <vinavil> vedi luke, dato che io ti capisco perfettamente, il problema non è mio. io posso decidere se farmi capire o no, se tu che non puoi :)
01:48 <vinavil> quando saprai l'italiano allora parleremo di quanto tu non lo sappia parlare bene
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01:49 <neostrider> hello folks
01:49 <vinavil> buona sera
01:49 <vinavil> dici a me?
01:50 <_Sticky_> hay neostrider
01:50 <neostrider> no..and you?
01:50 <neostrider> show me some of your really godly-code, please? I beg
01:50 <_Sticky_> vinavil: can you repeate what you said in english?
01:50 <_Sticky_> to me that is
01:50 <neostrider> I must learn from your great mind
01:50 <neostrider> fake divinity!
01:51 <neostrider> how is it going, _Sticky_ ?
01:51 <_Sticky_> ok
01:51 <z-man> Who gave luke the howler monkey?
01:52 <_Sticky_> can we progam armabot to kick on the word howler
01:52 <vinavil> sticky: no, dammi un buon motivo.
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01:52 <_Sticky_> luke-jr: what is he saying?
01:52 <neostrider> "give me a good reason"
01:53 <neostrider> you smarty
01:53 <neostrider> hehehe
01:53 <z-man> #m wrtlprnft can armabot kick people on saying specific words? If so, make "howler monkey" one of them, please :)
01:53 <armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
01:53 <_Sticky_> heh
01:53 <neostrider> luke-jr, have honnor to test it
01:54  * z-man goes to bed and doesn't really care what luke does with his monkey
01:54  * neostrider is bored
01:54  * neostrider shove the monkey!
01:55  * neostrider vaporizes the monkey
01:55 <vinavil> brutta serata per la povera scimmia
01:55 <neostrider> nem tanto
01:55 <neostrider> ele mereceu
01:57 <vinavil> probabilmente se le scimmie parlassero, come vorrebbe luke, non dimostrerebbero la loro intelligenza, ma la loro follia, come hanno fatto gli esseri umani
01:57 <neostrider> _Sticky_ , is he always that stupid (both in the moron and in the manners way)?
01:57 <neostrider> vinavil...apenas os simios se entendem...
01:58 <_Sticky_> hes ok, you two dont seem to have hit it off, me and him dont agree on almost any issue but still...hes ok
01:58 <vinavil> spagnolo o portoghese?
01:58 <neostrider> vinavil, portugues ;-)
01:58 <vinavil> immaginavo
01:58 <vinavil> mi padre vive in brasile
01:58 <neostrider> vinavil , italiano?
01:58 <vinavil> sì
01:58 <neostrider> onde?
01:58 <vinavil> bologna
01:59 <vinavil> o forse chiedevi di mio padre?
01:59 <neostrider> digo, seu pai
01:59 <_Sticky_> luke-jr: never played glob 2
01:59 <neostrider> sim
02:00 <_Sticky_> duno
02:00 <neostrider> luke-jr, get used to it...you will probably do that a lot in the future
02:00 <vinavil> ah, belo horizonte (MG)
02:00 <vinavil> tu di dove sei?
02:00  * _Sticky_ checks out glob
02:01  * neostrider sits on the floor ,lotus position, and starts summoning
02:01 <neostrider> vinavil , Rio de Janeiro
02:01 <vinavil> oh, bello, ci sono stato qualche tempo fa
02:02 <_Sticky_> hmm ok 
02:02 <neostrider> vinavil ... some things I cant understand  quite directly ;-)
02:03 <vinavil> è normale, non preoccuparti, non dirò nulla di imperdibile o illuminante
02:03 <_Sticky_> woo kubuntu++ for having glob 2 packages in the repos
02:03 <vinavil> ho già esaurito le sentenze prima che tu arrivassi ;)
02:04 <neostrider> vinavil... isso eu entendi
02:04 <vinavil> luke-jr: i found xfce4 quite good
02:05 <neostrider> im more a blackbox/fluxbox guy ...
02:05 <neostrider> but gnome is my main enviroment
02:05 <vinavil> gnome is really too heavy for my machine
02:05 <neostrider> whats your machine?
02:05 <_Sticky_> ahh this looks familiar...i played glob 1
02:05 <_Sticky_> i sucked
02:06 <vinavil> dual 433MHz - 512SDRAM
02:06 <neostrider> try blackbox...it will just rock
02:06 <vinavil> it has almost 10 years
02:06 <neostrider> I used it on a old notebook: celeron 600, 128 RAM, no swap
02:06 <vinavil> i'll take a look
02:08 <neostrider> if you are not to use bleeding edge stuff, i might enjoy Damn Small Linux
02:08 <neostrider> *you might enjoy
02:11 <vinavil> faccio una settimana di prova con xfce, poi provo blackbox. ma ti dirò, mi trovo abbastanza bene
02:12 <neostrider> podes também tentar WindowMaker
02:12 <neostrider> feito por brasileiro
02:14 <vinavil> ed è solo in brasiliano? :?
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02:15 <ghableska> #weather 50266
02:15 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 66.6°F (7:15 PM CDT on May 16, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 21%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Pressure: 29.12 in 986.0 hPa (Rising). 
02:16 <vinavil> ghableska: always worried about weather? are you waiting a big storm?
02:16 <ghableska> heh
02:16 <ghableska> no, not really
02:16 <vinavil> so?
02:17 <neostrider> vinavil...não
02:17 <neostrider> é OpenStep !
02:17 <ghableska> I'm just obsessive compulsive :p
02:17 <vinavil> in che sito posso trovare informazioni?
02:17 <vinavil> ghableska: ping
02:18 <ghableska> vinavil: pong
02:18 <vinavil> heh
02:18 <vinavil> i'll do sometimes, so you feel alive and relax
02:18 <ghableska> ah, I see :)
02:20 <neostrider> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window_Maker
02:20 <vinavil> grazie
02:20 <neostrider> de nada!
02:20 <neostrider> well...im leaving!
02:20 <neostrider> nice to speak to some of you!
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02:39 <Vanhayes> its... snowing
02:39 <Vanhayes> in may, its snowing in may
02:42 <vinavil> where is it?
02:44 <Vanhayes> where is it snowing or where is the snow?
02:44 <Vanhayes> its snowing here in new brunswick canada, its on the ground right now :)
02:48 <ghableska> #weather St. John
02:48 <armabot> ghableska: Temperature: 37°F / 3°C | Humidity: 89% | Pressure: 29.99in / 1016hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 20mph / 32km/h | Updated: 9:00 PM ADT; Tonight - Rain. Amount 20 to 30 mm. Wind northeast 20 km/h gusting to 40. Low plus 2.; Thursday - Showers ending in the morning then cloudy. Amount 2 mm. Wind northeast 20 km/h becoming north 20 in the morning. High (1 more message)
02:48 <ghableska> rain, liar
02:48 <ghableska> :p
02:52 <Vanhayes> bah, it was snowing, I saw it
02:52 <Vanhayes> freaked me out
02:52 <ghableska> heh
02:52 <ghableska> what's the normal temp for at this time of the year?
02:52 <ghableska> -for
03:02 <Vanhayes> 15-20
03:08 <vinavil> liar?
03:08 <vinavil> ghableska: ping
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03:13 <GodTodd> good...i missed luke-jr's blasphemous "arguments" :)
03:19 <_Sticky_> getting too late for me...good game tho will play you at some point
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03:35 <_Sticky_> #lastseen durka
03:36 <armabot> _Sticky_: timed out
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04:07 <GodTodd> A howler monkey says, "Luke-jr is a baka noob luser."
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04:35 <Lucifer_arma> A howler monkey says, "What the fuck is baka?"
04:47 <GodTodd> i think luke said it's japanese for stupid
04:48 <GodTodd> oh...sorry...A howler monkey says, "I think luke said it's japanese for stupid."
04:48 <GodTodd> ;)
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04:59 <Durka> #hello
04:59 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: Homer: Marge, it's 3 a.m. and I worked all day! || Marge: It's 9:30 p.m. and you spent your whole Saturday drinking beer || in Maggie's kiddie pool. || Another Simpsons Clip Show
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05:02 <Lucifer_arma> A howler monkey says, "Aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> "
05:05 <GodTodd> A howler monkey asks, "Why didn't your penises evolve with the rest of you?"
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06:06 <GodTodd> Random Fortune: I mean, well, if it were not for Linux I might be roaming the streets looking for drugs or prostitutes or something. Hannu and Linus have my highest admiration (apple polishing mode off). 	-- Phil Lewis, plewis@nyx.nyx.net 
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06:14 <MrBougo> hello
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06:37 <Bougo> i'm back :)
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07:13 <Durka> wrtlprnft: :D
07:19 <Bougo> :D
07:19 <Bougo> elo durka
07:19 <Durka> bougo
07:19 <Durka> #serverinfo 4
07:19 <Durka> come
07:19 <armabot> Durka: 4 Team Fortress Saloon: Players (4/32): Ðûqkå, [xT] Legit, ¥×DÅ, °¯SageLord
07:19 <Bougo> wait
07:19 <Bougo> i'm buseh
07:20 <Durka> :O
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07:22 <philippeqc> morning
07:22 <Bougo> ITS TODAY!
07:23 <Bougo> i had totally forgotten this
07:23 <Bougo> forgot
07:23 <Bougo> man why did i write forgotten
07:23 <philippeqc> what is
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> Bougo: because "had forgotten" is grammatically correct, but "had forgot" is not
07:23 <Bougo> oh
07:24 <Bougo> :D
07:24 <Bougo> so i was right
07:24 <Bougo> oh yep right
07:24 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: thanks
07:24 <Bougo> i used to say "gotten" instead of "got"
07:24 <Bougo> and now it confuses me
07:24 <philippeqc> Bougo: what IS today for you?
07:24 <Bougo> A State of Trance episode 300!
07:24 <Bougo> 6th anniversary!
07:24 <philippeqc> Its a show about techno music?
07:24 <Bougo> Amazing show live from the netherlands, 7 hours of amazing trance
07:25 <Bougo> it isnt really techno
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> gotta go paint my wall again (luke-jr wants to talk to me!)
07:25 <philippeqc> or its a budist one?
07:25 <philippeqc> trance is a sub category of techno
07:25 <Bougo> yup
07:25 <Bougo> not really techno
07:26 <Bougo> it's a bit inspired by techno, a bit by house (a ittle bit i mean)
07:26 <Bougo> it used to sound like techno, but now it's totally different
07:26 <Bougo> luke-jr, seems so
07:26 <Bougo> i don't consider trance as being a subcat of techno
07:26 <philippeqc> I know what trance (the music) is. I was trying to pin down what meaning about trance you where being exalcerous about
07:27 <Bougo> because most of people consider it as techno
07:27 <Bougo> and they might be right, even though i don't really agree
07:27 <Bougo> but i know trance wouldn't have existed without techno
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07:27 <philippeqc> and I dont consider Celine Dion to be music, and yet we are both wrong.
07:28 <MrBougo> haha
07:28 <GodTodd> she's not...she's a chick
07:28 <philippeqc> maybe electronica then.
07:28 <philippeqc> she's not really a chic either
07:29 <MrBougo> xD
07:29 <MrBougo> crap, i don't get Net FM here
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: you need to ask your question to an accountant
07:29 <MrBougo> damn
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07:29 <MrBougo> there's a nice dance music radio in the netherlands
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> well, I think I'm done painting this time
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> did 3 walls
07:30 <MrBougo> there's a nice dance music radio in wallonia
07:30 <philippeqc> to come back to our sheeps, so your gonna watch a show about electronica, not one about Buddhist enlightenment.
07:30 <MrBougo> BUT THERE IS NO FUCKIN RADIO LIKE THAT IN BRUSSELS
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> it's not a full house painting, so I only did the worst walls
07:30 <DrJoeTron> radio sucks
07:30 <MrBougo> so do you
07:30 <MrBougo> :D
07:30 <DrJoeTron> damn good
07:30 <MrBougo> hello
07:30  * GodTodd had to finally mow the lawn.
07:30 <GodTodd> damn rain
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron is the greatest sucker in the universe
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> heh, our yard is mostly in order right now
07:31 <DrJoeTron> hell yeah
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> still have to finish burning the branches from pruning the front tree, and still have some miscellaneous edging in the back
07:31 <GodTodd> i still need to trim the edges and the hedges but oh well
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> the front yard is done for this week :)
07:31 <GodTodd> :)
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> our house is "done" right now
07:32 <GodTodd> i need a cordless trimmer
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> I still have a hole to patch in my son's room, and I'm still considering how I should go about doing that
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> patching the hole requires about 2 days to let it dry (1 day for the initial layer of mud, 1 day for the second layer), then a day to let it dry overnight after painting the wall
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> one of the walls I just painted had to be painted because of a patch :/
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> (the other one was just dirtier than a roll of used toilet paper)
07:33 <GodTodd> well...if you'd quit throwing shit through the walls you wouldn't have to patch them :P
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> heh
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> these are doorknob holes
07:33 <GodTodd> get doorstops :P
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> I put door stoppers on the hinges for the doors in question
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> well, my son took the one out of his room :(
07:33 <GodTodd> i know how that goes
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> he got in trouble for it, but since he broke it.....
07:34 <GodTodd> i have to replace the doors in the bathroom
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> the new door stops are on the hinges, and placed on the top hinges, so the kids theoretically can't fuck with them until they're big enough to know better
07:34 <GodTodd> and put doors on the showers (i hate shower curtains)
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: interior doors already hung are cheap at Lowe's
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> $40-$60
07:34 <GodTodd> i know
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> I hate shower curtains myself, but I haven't yet gotten the hang of installing doors
07:35 <GodTodd> i have to get the gumption to do it...and make sure the dog doesn't get locked in there again heh
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> heh
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> then there's door hardware, if I were going to do a serious job on the doors here I'd buy all new doorknobs so they'd all match
07:35 <GodTodd> he tore through that door pretty good when he panicked
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> I put nickel-plated covers on a couple of electrical outlets and light switches, and the light fixture I put in the dining room has some nice chrome on it
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> but the doorknobs and other fixtures are all brass, so it doesn't quite match
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> means we have one nice looking dining room, and an ugly mismatched house :)
07:36 <GodTodd> i need to go room by room and figure out what needs done
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I've seen dogs rip off doors before myself :/
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> well, y'all own your house, right? 
07:36 <GodTodd> yep
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> we're just renters, so we're trying to do as little as possible, and what we do has to be as cheap as possible
07:37 <GodTodd> yep
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> if we were owners, by now we'd have already changed all the covers and switches and crap and made everything match
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> we're just like that :)
07:37 <GodTodd> we actually owe around 30000 less than the appraised value :)
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> that's cool, you could bank on it if you sold it for the appraised value :)
07:38 <GodTodd> yeah...but appraised is always lower than sale price
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> well, I need to go peel up some tape real quick
07:38 <Durka> :O
07:41 <MrBougo> :o
07:41 <MrBougo> durka, im joining your serf
07:41 <MrBougo> serv*
07:41 <Durka> yay!
07:42 <MrBougo> you groupie
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> you know what really irritates me about painting?
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> it's that so many people don't bother to remove electrical covers and/or tape them!
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> so there's always this line of white paint on the electrical covers
07:42 <GodTodd> yep
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> it takes 10 seconds to remove them!
07:43  * Lucifer_arma removes them, obviously :)
07:43 <GodTodd> i do too
07:44  * Lucifer_arma has to let the other wall dry a bit more before he pulls the tape off
07:44 <GodTodd> tape the edges?
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> I put tape up in a pattern that says "Luke-jr is an asshat!" and then painted the wall
07:44 <GodTodd> or two-toning it? ;)
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> well, I didn't have enough paint to do the baseboards, and I didn't want a bunch of mismatched baseboards since the three walls I just painted this week aren't adjacent to each other
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> so I painted the baseboards in the kitchen, but taped the ones in the other two rooms (and the door jambs)
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> wait, I painted 4 walls, there's the one that I didn't tape the baseboards on so now they look ugly
07:45 <GodTodd> ahhh
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> if I were to do the whole house, I'd do all the trim in green anyway
07:45 <GodTodd> what's the wall color?
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> s/kitchen/dining room
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> white walls
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> the trim right now is a light almond
07:46 <GodTodd> ewww
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> it's not terribly ugly, but it's one of those colors that doesn't look great after the paint dries
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> I'm just going with white right now, and that's probably what we'll do ultimately anyway
07:46 <GodTodd> we have an adventurous house....white walls with white trim
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> heh
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> we have to replace the garage door, so that's when we'll figure out what to do about the trim
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> we might just go down and get like 5 cans of green paint (the white is a standard white, so we don't have to worry about color-matching it)
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> then we'll argue over whether or not doors should be colored as trim or as walls
07:47 <GodTodd> i'm considering colorifying the house...
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> we're mostly waiting until our kids are big enough that they don't write on the walls anymore
07:48 <GodTodd> broke tommy of that a while back
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> I'm happy that I've learned how to patch walls, though.  That'll come in handy as the kids get older
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> well, we've got our 3yo still...  ;)  (and you've got your up and coming wall artist!)
07:49 <GodTodd> do you do a backing on it, or just the mud?
07:49 <GodTodd> yeah...conor will learn that pretty soon ;)
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> I put the backing on it because it's a doorknob hole
07:49 <GodTodd> mesh type backing?
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> I'm considering going back over it in a few months with real sheet rock replacement and retexturing, because I want to learn that
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, aluminum mesh, the sticky kind
07:50 <GodTodd> ah ok
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> you know, scrape it to the sheetrock, put the mesh, then fill it with mud, sand flat
07:50 <GodTodd> yep
07:50 <GodTodd> that's how i do it :)
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> I've seen patches stick out like 1/8 inch or more because they didn't scrape it
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> I've also seen patches where they didn't bother sanding it flat, so it had all the marks from the filling
07:51 <GodTodd> yep...scraping is a pretty important step
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07:51 <Lucifer_arma> it just amazes me how many ways people find to slack off on home repairs
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> what I've got right now doesn't look great because it's a big flat spot on a textured wall, but it's waaaay better than anything I've lived with before that someone else did
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> at least, what I knew was patched.  I guess it's possible there were patches I didn't see because they were done completely right and retextured properly
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> it's one thing to just not do the repair, quite another to do the repair in the smallest-assed way you can
07:52 <GodTodd> texturing isn't terribly difficult
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> my neighbor told me I could use a sponge to texture it
07:52 <GodTodd> yep
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> I wanted to save that experiment for a future date, there's quite an emphasis on not doing anything that a 3yo can reasonably trash while it's drying
07:53 <GodTodd> i bet ;)
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> so I'm tossing enough mud on that even if he goes and scratches his name on it, I can still sand it flat :)
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> he actually pulled the sticky part of the patch off, but there was enough dried mud that I could still refill the hole and finish the job
07:54 <GodTodd> heh
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> it just meant I couldn't do his room without buying more mud, because I bought a small starter kit that had a small box of mud
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> weather stripping is the next big project here
07:55 <GodTodd> hmmm....i think there's a vanity in the garage i still need to install upstairs
07:56 <GodTodd> wonder if karen bought a sink with it...
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08:26 <MrBougo> helo MaZuffeR 
08:27 <MaZuffeR> hi
09:11 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: umm, armabot isn't even op'd all the time…
09:12 <wrtlprnft> #later tell durka :D
09:12 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
09:12 <MrBougo> #later tell durka D:
09:12 <armabot> MrBougo: The operation succeeded.
09:12 <MrBougo> :p
09:13 <GodTodd> #later tell durka wrtlprnft says :D
09:13 <armabot> GodTodd: The operation succeeded.
09:13 <MrBougo> #later tell durka GodTodd said that wrtlprnft says :D
09:13 <armabot> MrBougo: The operation succeeded.
09:13 <MrBougo> now let's stop :p
09:19 <wrtlprnft> actually i was referring to
09:19 <wrtlprnft> 07:13 #armagetron: <Durka> wrtlprnft: :D
09:19 <wrtlprnft> in my awaylog :P
09:19 <MrBougo> :p
09:48 <DrJoeTron> oh my god
09:49 <DrJoeTron> I think I may have made the wiimote a legit game pad
09:49 <DrJoeTron> classic controller at least
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09:50 <kidanger> hi
09:56 <MrBougo> DrJoeTron ?
09:56 <MrBougo> what do you mean
10:05 <MrBougo> ok i'm out :p
10:05 <MrBougo> bye
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10:31 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: Hi
10:31 <philippeqc> well it seems the prob appears from the first version on my branch
10:31 <philippeqc> darn!
10:32 <wrtlprnft> x_X
10:33 <philippeqc> its been what now, 4 full week ends just on that prob! Getting tired of it!
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10:52 <philippeqc> how should I set up ethereal to be able to sniff trafic between a local client and a local server?
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11:43 <philippeqc> o darn, I think I have it
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12:14 <epsy> hi
12:19 <MrBougo> hiho
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13:55 <DrJoeTron> ghableska
13:55 <ghableska> DrJoeTron: 
13:55 <epsy> #time
13:55 <armabot> epsy: 01:55 PM, May 17, 2007
13:55 <DrJoeTron> the classic controller on Trackmania
13:56 <DrJoeTron> i got the analogue stick to function Properly
13:56 <ghableska> ?
13:56 <DrJoeTron> epsy are you still working with the gimmick that which is a Wiimote on the PC?
13:56 <ghableska> #weather 50266
13:56 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 48.4°F (6:55 AM CDT on May 17, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 35.6°F. Windchill: 46.4°F. Pressure: 29.34 in 993.5 hPa (Steady). 
13:56 <epsy> DrJoeTron, uh ??
13:57 <DrJoeTron> or was that sticky
13:57 <ghableska> 48? o_O
13:57 <DrJoeTron> probably sticky
13:57 <epsy> i dont own a wii
13:57 <DrJoeTron> #weather 60016
13:57 <armabot> DrJoeTron: The current temperature in Chicago Palwaukee, Illinois is 44.6°F (6:52 AM CDT on May 17, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 39.2°F. Windchill: 39.2°F. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Rising). 
13:57 <DrJoeTron> probably a sticky question
13:57 <DrJoeTron> ghableska its the coolest thing ever :V
13:57 <ghableska> I see
13:58 <DrJoeTron> its sensitive the the analog stick's movement
13:58 <ghableska> DrJoeTron: do you have the godfather?
13:58 <DrJoeTron> the game or the movie?
13:58 <ghableska> game
13:59 <DrJoeTron> nah
13:59 <DrJoeTron> i try not to buy games from EA as much as I can 
13:59 <ghableska> I heard it's a really good game :p
13:59 <ghableska> plus...what about spore?
13:59 <DrJoeTron> <DrJoeTron> i try not to buy games from EA as much as I can 
13:59 <DrJoeTron> i can only not buy so much
14:00 <ghableska> heh'
14:00 <DrJoeTron> plus
14:00 <DrJoeTron> its being made by the Maxis people
14:00 <DrJoeTron> so i'll buy that
14:00 <ghableska> true
14:00 <DrJoeTron> I want SimCity for the wii
14:00  * ghableska remembers SimCopter
14:00 <ghableska> now THAT was a fun game
14:00 <DrJoeTron> Theme Park was awesome too
14:01 <DrJoeTron> but not maxis
14:01 <DrJoeTron> the precursor to roller coaster tycoon
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14:31 <epsy> i'ill need someone to test something
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14:31 <epsy> someone ?
14:32 <epsy> P4, ?
14:32 <P4> yes epsy?
14:32 <P4> what do you need to test?
14:33 <epsy> something on my testserver ^^
14:33 <P4> oh
14:33 <P4> name? :}
14:33 <epsy> #serverinfo del
14:33 <armabot> epsy: {Delicious Desserts} Custom Map: Players (1/16): Bloody_Jin
14:33 <epsy> arr
14:33 <epsy> #serverinfo delire
14:33 <armabot> epsy: !delire !nodelire: Players (1/8): kk~epsy
14:33 <P4> ok
14:36 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Xian/rubber/wall-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Xian
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14:44 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: would it be possible for you to host a fortress test server temporarily?
14:46 <vinavil> the meaning is to try some new settings i have in mind, and maybe somebody else would like to help
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14:51 <P4> epsy: if i'm away try /ctcp P4 PAGE text. If i hear the sound i will come here. If not - it means im taking a bath :}
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14:51 <MrBougo> helo
14:52 <P4> hi MrBougo
14:52 <MrBougo> TEH event
14:52 <MrBougo> H - 7 minutes
14:53 <epsy> oh man -.-
14:53 <MrBougo> A State of Trance episode 300
14:53 <MrBougo> 7 Hours of happiness
14:53 <MrBougo> :DDD
14:53 <epsy> P4, guess what i forgot
14:53 <epsy> function ccargs ($argsarray, $rmfirst=false)
14:53 <epsy> {
14:53 <epsy> 	if ($rmfirst) unset($argsarray[0]);
14:53 <epsy> 	implode (" ", $argsarray);
14:53 <epsy> }
14:53 <P4> dunno? ;]
14:53 <epsy> that's a nice function which does many things without returning them -.-
14:54 <P4> return 0? :}
14:54 <epsy> 	return implode (" ", $argsarray);
14:54 <P4> :P
14:54 <epsy> better so
14:55 <P4> did you recompile sources and restart server?
14:55 <epsy> well, it's an external script for now
14:55 <P4> oh
14:55 <epsy> so, yes it should work as of now
14:55 <MrBougo> i can't believe it's so cloe
14:55 <MrBougo> 4 minutes
14:55 <epsy> retry the register thing
14:56 <MrBougo> http://di.fm/mp3/trance.pls to listen
14:56 <MrBougo> 4 minutes to go
14:56 <P4> ok
14:59 <MrBougo> it begins!
14:59 <MrBougo> soon
14:59 <MrBougo> yay!
15:02 <MrBougo> damn shouts, we want music
15:08 <MrBougo> :DD
15:15 <GodTodd> #later tell Lucifer_arma hey...is the box my website is on down or something?  was wondering cuz my page isn't loading...
15:15 <armabot> GodTodd: The operation succeeded.
15:18 <MrBougo> amazing
15:18 <MrBougo> i'm out :(
15:20 <MrBougo> bye all!
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15:28 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Xian/rubber/mao-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Xian
15:50 <DrJoeTron> z-man ping babeh
15:51 <DrJoeTron> GodTodd 
15:51 <DrJoeTron> you smell
15:51 <DrJoeTron> suck it
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15:58 <DrJoeTron> zman when does the defcon fun start : I
15:59 <zman> which fun?
15:59 <DrJoeTron> i wanna play with people : /
15:59 <DrJoeTron> meaning when are we gonna play together :3
15:59 <DrJoeTron> Apparently I'm using emoticons as punctuation :)
16:00 <zman> Not right now, I having trouble with my printer and my wife wants to print, grrr
16:00 <DrJoeTron> ah i got not plans to play atm either
16:00 <zman> (stupid gentoo gave me an all new cups version as a security update)
16:00 <DrJoeTron> hah
16:00 <DrJoeTron> i'm working on essay questions/Wiimote scripts
16:01 <DrJoeTron> Time to write one up for Arma
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16:09 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: ping
16:10 <zman> whatever.
16:18 <mkzelda> what about glsa-check?
16:20 <mkzelda> glsa-check is a tool in gentoolkit implementing GLEP 14, which deals with the design for a security-only update feature for emerge.
16:20 <mkzelda> looks like the words 'gentoo' 'security' and 'updates' right there
16:21 <mkzelda> sure it does, right there
16:21 <mkzelda> semantics
16:21 <mkzelda> really
16:22 <mkzelda> not semantics, even tho its for gentoo and it gives you security updates?
16:23 <mkzelda> and thats a security update
16:23 <mkzelda> yep
16:23 <mkzelda> i get updated on my security
16:23 <mkzelda> thats a security update
16:24 <mkzelda> its too bad you're wrong
16:25 <mkzelda> yep
16:25 <mkzelda> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh slam
16:25 <mkzelda> you read a book, you know all about psychiatry
16:26 <mkzelda> go mr cruise
16:26 <mkzelda> come out of the closet tom, please, just come out of the closet
16:26 <mkzelda> nazi!
16:26 <mkzelda> im just beating you to the punch on typical arguing techniques
16:26 <mkzelda> EVOLUTION
16:27 <zman> Imagine me checking back on the channel after 10 minutes of inactivity.
16:27 <mkzelda> haha
16:30 <mkzelda> #g gentoo security updates
16:30 <armabot> mkzelda: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
16:30 <mkzelda> #google gentoo security updates
16:30 <armabot> mkzelda: Search took 0.11 seconds: GLEP 14 -- security updates based on GLSA: <http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0014.html>; Gentoo Linux Projects -- Gentoo Linux Security Project: <http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/security/>; FrSIRT Security Advisories - Gentoo Security Update Fixes ...: <http://www.frsirt.com/english/advisories/2007/1762>; Re: emerge security updates ?: (2 more messages)
16:30 <mkzelda> heh
16:30 <mkzelda> go figure, google and gentoo dont know what they're talking about either
16:30 <mkzelda> they should go ask someone who does know what they're talking about
16:31 <armabot> luke-jr: Search took 0.09 seconds: dmiessler.com | grep understanding knowledge: <http://dmiessler.com/archives/1020>; init1 - Zelda: <http://eol.init1.nl/content/section/3/26/>; init1 - Zelda: <http://eol.init1.nl/content/category/3/8/26/>; Raiden's Realm: The 12 "Geek" days of Christmas - Day 12 - Zelda ...: <http://www.raiden.net/?aid=181>; My Personal Blog: August 2004: (2 more messages)
16:31 <mkzelda> come back when you can properly argue this
16:32 <mkzelda> or gentoo
16:33 <mkzelda> the fact they made a program specifically for security updates and say so all over their pages and the program documentation
16:33 <mkzelda> and google gave u that url
16:33 <mkzelda> ya, thats more than sufficient
16:34 <mkzelda> yes
16:34 <mkzelda> you're saying w/o a patch file?
16:35 <mkzelda> you're saying that b/c it lacks a patch file its not updating my security?
16:35 <mkzelda> b/c it doesnt patch binaries directly
16:35 <mkzelda> just b/c it adds more doesnt mean what it provides doesnt exist anymore
16:36 <mkzelda> that'd be like saying Windows isnt an operating system b/c microsoft included a web browser with it
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16:36 <mkzelda> you're crazy
16:37 <mkzelda> the only condition is untrue
16:37 <mkzelda> yep
16:40 <mkzelda> Definition of: security patch
16:40 <mkzelda> A fix to a program that eliminates a vulnerability exploited by malicious hackers. See vulnerability and patch.
16:41 <mkzelda> okay, tell me about windows?
16:42 <mkzelda> tell me how their security updates are security updates b/c they only provide security updates
16:42 <mkzelda> cause they have tons of updates that dont affect security
16:43 <mkzelda> many of those patch more than one thing simultaneously
16:43 <mkzelda> and by your definition its all ruled out at that point
16:43 <epsy> #time
16:43 <armabot> epsy: 04:43 PM, May 17, 2007
16:43 <mkzelda> glsa-check patches security holes too
16:44 <mkzelda> how you going to patch the binaries for different builds?
16:44 <mkzelda> diff archs
16:44 <mkzelda> exactly STUPID
16:45 <mkzelda> it doesnt upgrade the entire package either
16:45 <mkzelda> it applies a patch to the same version #
16:45 <mkzelda> yep
16:45 <mkzelda> it doesnt bump
16:45 <zman> Umm, will you stop fighting over this silliness? I'm done setting up my new cups.
16:46 <mkzelda> ive never had it bump
16:46 <mkzelda> on many machines
16:46 <mkzelda> i use it a lot
16:46 <mkzelda> it doesnt create some crazy version # that doesnt exist
16:46 <mkzelda> hay i have armagetron 34.3.0
16:47 <mkzelda> wow
16:47 <mkzelda> forfeit
16:47 <mkzelda> pot meet kettle
16:51 <DrJoeTron> sup pot
16:51 <mkzelda> heh
16:51 <DrJoeTron> oh god
16:51 <DrJoeTron> you're...black
16:52 <DrJoeTron> trackmania with the wii classic controller is so much fun now :V
16:52 <mkzelda> no black means the absense of light and and im brown so im not really black even though people use that terminology all the time
16:53 <mkzelda> im going to rewrite all the dictionaries in the world now
16:53 <DrJoeTron> sweet
16:53 <DrJoeTron> do me a favor
16:53 <DrJoeTron> when you're under the term "cool"
16:53 <DrJoeTron> put my name under it?
16:53 <mkzelda> k
16:53 <DrJoeTron> sweet
16:53 <DrJoeTron> and sexy too
16:53 <DrJoeTron> possibly Zebra
16:54 <mkzelda> eh?
16:54 <mkzelda> zebra?
16:54 <DrJoeTron> Put my name under the word Zebra
16:54 <DrJoeTron> yeah
16:55 <DrJoeTron> Definition: A word that DrJoeTron wanted me to put his name under but I don't know why."
16:57 <wrtlprnft> #later tell vinavil with what settings?
16:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
17:22 <GodTodd>                   mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm                          lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllmmmm
17:38 <DrJoeTron> http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/robots/robot-fights-in-osaka-where-referees-talk-to-things-without-ears-260828.php
17:40 <P4> #weather gliwice
17:40 <armabot> P4: The current temperature in Katowice, Poland is 51.8°F (5:30 PM CEST on May 17, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 41.0°F. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady). 
17:40 <P4> does it mean it's gonna rain or not? :}
17:41 <mkzelda> #weather 27545
17:41 <armabot> mkzelda: The current temperature in Winchester - NE Raleigh, Raleigh, North Carolina is 63.1°F (11:40 AM EDT on May 17, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 53.6°F. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Steady). 
17:41 <mkzelda> ya i wanna know too
17:41 <P4> Dew Point: 41.0°F means that if temp get lows under that one it's gonna rain? 
17:42 <mkzelda> #google weather wiki 
17:42 <armabot> mkzelda: Search took 0.08 seconds: Weather - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather>; Weather Report - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Report>; APRSWiki: Citizen Weather Observer Program (CWOP): <http://info.aprs.net/wikka.php?wakka=Weather>; how about a weather wiki site - MP3Car.com: <http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin (2 more messages)
17:43 <P4> yea yea :} i'll find it
17:43 <P4> #help wiki
17:43 <armabot> P4: Error: There is no command "wiki".
17:43 <P4> #list
17:43 <armabot> P4: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
17:44 <zman> luke-jr: noted.
17:44 <mkzelda> i can mirror static resources
17:44 -!- P4 is now known as P4|away
17:45 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Xian/rubber/wolf-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Xian
18:17 <akira_> #insult
18:17 <armabot> You are nothing but a full-gorged tongueful of beslubbering samples.
18:17 <akira_> O.o
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18:47 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: did you read it?
18:48 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: we could talk about settings detail if you like. i'll be here for some hours
18:49 <vinavil> anyway i wish to try some ideas from "fortress tie breaking" topic, that i have never been able to test.
18:57  * wrtlprnft is here now
18:58 <wrtlprnft> ah, you're rain
19:02 <wrtlprnft> anyways, what I could do is give you an SSH account, so you can do code hacks and permanent configuration changes if you like
19:09 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: regarding http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=172531#172531 , would you mind if I went ahead with that? I'd like to have that done for the next TST
19:11 <wrtlprnft> vinavil: ping (in case you're not watching this # and waiting for a wake)
19:12 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: found the prob!
19:13 <philippeqc> for my branch crash
19:13 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: pong
19:13 <philippeqc> I though the create and update message where 2 different ones. But when you create a new object, they are sent as one, and the update consumate the remaining bytes from the create message
19:14 <philippeqc> the prob was that i was relying on the lengh of the message in the create operation to know if I was facing a "new" zone, and consumed a single byte there, screwing up all that followed
19:15 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: grats
19:15 <wrtlprnft> vinavil: so, you're fine with that?
19:15 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: what server are you referring about?
19:15 <philippeqc> and I think I got a good way to do backward compatibility. I'm working on that ATM.
19:15 <wrtlprnft> 14:44 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: would it be possible for you to host a fortress test server temporarily?
19:16 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: yes, you talks about a SSH account
19:16 <wrtlprnft> you mean serverside parsing of fortress zones?
19:16 <vinavil> i mean a place where some people can play and test some new settings for fortress
19:16 <wrtlprnft> the server that hosts café, bar and saloon
19:17 <wrtlprnft> open admin?
19:18 <vinavil> no, well, if necessary we can use forums to decide which settings, but i would start with some ideas i have in mind, maybe some other have
19:18 <wrtlprnft> that's why i wanted to give you SSH access
19:18 <vinavil> yea, enlight me about it
19:19 <wrtlprnft> hmm, do you know how to use a unix shell?
19:19 <vinavil> hm
19:20 <wrtlprnft> if you don't there's not much point in giving you SSH access
19:20 <philippeqc> o! enlightenment might take a while here
19:21 <vinavil> well, i use linux cli
19:21 <wrtlprnft> did you solve the merge issues, too?
19:21 <wrtlprnft> that's just fine
19:21 <philippeqc> wait, he doesnt need to know much, as long as he can operate the dedicated server prompt, then its quite easy to teach him the rest
19:22 <wrtlprnft> vinavil: so you're on linux?
19:22 <vinavil> debian
19:22 <wrtlprnft> ok then :)
19:22 <vinavil> im ready, explain me all
19:23  * vinavil takes notepad
19:23 <philippeqc> arg... your faking it, your on windows!
19:23 <wrtlprnft> wait a sec, let me set up
19:24 <philippeqc> if you where truely on linux, you'd have taken vi(m) or (x)emacs
19:24 <philippeqc> ;)
19:24 <vinavil> im on debian linux 4 etch, kernel 2.6.18
19:24 <philippeqc> its good
19:24 <philippeqc> you got ssh installed?
19:24 <philippeqc> apt-get ssh
19:24 <vinavil> no, i meant a "real" notepad :)
19:24 <philippeqc> I *knew* that
19:24 <vinavil> heh
19:25 <philippeqc> do also apt-get screen
19:25 <vinavil> ok
19:25 <philippeqc> (just in case wrt uses it, not sure about that, but its so small, you wont notice it
19:26 <vinavil> both not valid
19:26 <vinavil> means i already have them?
19:26 <philippeqc> well, search for the name or something, 
19:26 <vinavil> oki
19:26 <philippeqc> dont have deb here
19:26 <philippeqc> ssh could be openssh
19:27 <wrtlprnft> vinavil: ok, if you don't have an ssh public key (you don't have one if you don't know what ssh is), run ssh-keygen
19:28 <philippeqc> wrt, you run the server on screen or what?
19:28 <vinavil> im installing ssh package
19:28 <wrtlprnft> with whatever passphrase you want, choose the default location for the generated files
19:28 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: yeah
19:28 <philippeqc> guessed so
19:28 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: easiest way
19:29 <philippeqc> vinavil: try typing screen at the cli. if the screen clears, then you have it. Its CTRL-D to stop it
19:29 <wrtlprnft> ?!
19:30 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: I dont know if its always installed on deb
19:30 <wrtlprnft> my server does have screen, of course, but he needs ssh to access it
19:30 <philippeqc> he should try it up locally (screen) to understand how it works
19:30 <vinavil> phil, im installing it, didn't have
19:30 <vinavil> ok, both ssh and screen installed
19:30 <philippeqc> good
19:31 <philippeqc> a small screen course here for vinavil 
19:31 <philippeqc> vinavil: assuming you are in X, start a new terminal window (most likely xterm)
19:31 <vinavil> already
19:32 <philippeqc> vinavil: are you in X or really at the CLI?
19:32 <philippeqc> ok
19:32 <philippeqc> no I mean a NEW one
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19:32 <vinavil> ?
19:32 <philippeqc> go to that cli, and launch a browser, like "firefox &", or what everyou have installed
19:32 <vinavil> im actually running opera
19:33 <vinavil> and irc with it
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19:33 <philippeqc> (the application doesnt really matter here, just have a new xterm and launche some graphical app) the & allows the program to run in background, allowing you to continue working 
19:33 <philippeqc> now kill/shut off/terminate  that xterm
19:33 <philippeqc> the graphicall app will die too
19:34 <philippeqc> yep?
19:34 <vinavil> hm
19:34 <wrtlprnft> gvim won't die unless started with -f
19:34 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: dont confuse the issue
19:34 <vinavil> well, let me know where we are going
19:34 <philippeqc> vinavil: apps launched in background will only run in background as long as the session is kept alive. This is true even for remove access. 
19:35 <philippeqc> where you to cooonec to wrt's compu, start a dedicated server there in background and log out, it would be killed instantly
19:35 <philippeqc> are you still following?
19:36 <wrtlprnft> #svn
19:36 <armabot> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname>(more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN)
19:37 <philippeqc> what screen allows you to do is to start other application (that are not deamons) and keep them running even though the session that started them is closed, 
19:37  * philippeqc doesnt know how much vinavil knows about *nix, so I dummed it a bit
19:37 <vinavil> phil, sorry, the fact is inexperience in what you are talking about and not native language, do not help much
19:38 <wrtlprnft> well, anyways, as for you getting access to the server in the first place
19:38 <wrtlprnft> run ssh-keygen on your machine
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19:38 <MrBougo> hello!
19:38 <wrtlprnft> hi
19:38 <philippeqc> vinavil:  that is why I wanted u to actually start up apps and try it
19:38 <MrBougo> :)
19:38 <philippeqc> hi
19:38 <vinavil> phil, the fact is i didnt get the meaning :)
19:39 <philippeqc> ok, do the following:
19:39 <philippeqc> a) NEW xterm
19:39 <philippeqc> b) launch some app in background in it
19:39 <philippeqc> c) close the xterm
19:39 <philippeqc> d) the app dies too
19:39 <philippeqc> e) NEW xterm again
19:39 <philippeqc> f) start screen
19:39 <philippeqc> g) start a TEXT BASED app in it
19:40 <philippeqc> h) do : CTRL-a CTRL-d
19:40 <philippeqc> i) kill the xterm
19:40 <philippeqc> j) NEW xterm (the 3rd now)
19:41 <philippeqc> k) do "screen -r"
19:41 <wrtlprnft> l) your TEXT BASED app will reappar as if you never close the xterm
19:41 <wrtlprnft> *closed
19:41 <philippeqc> ty
19:41 <wrtlprnft> :P
19:41 <wrtlprnft> I'd still prefer if he'd get access to the server in the first place :)
19:42 <wrtlprnft> *if he got
19:42 <vinavil> what would this process make me understand?
19:42 <philippeqc> screen is a bitch to *get* into your mind. But once you actually get it, its really easy
19:42 <philippeqc> vinavil: Just do it please
19:42 <philippeqc> just see it with your eyes
19:42 <vinavil> lol, i am doing it
19:43 <philippeqc> that scren will allow the server on wrt's computer to keep on running even though you are not connecting to it
19:44 <philippeqc> its important to *get* screen as there are a few more commands to do once you connect to the server and when youleave, but they are very easy
19:45 <wrtlprnft> anyways, done with the SSH key?
19:46 <vinavil> ram:~# screen -r
19:46 <vinavil> There are several suitable screens on:
19:46 <vinavil>         4614.pts-0.ram  (Detached)
19:46 <vinavil>         4629.pts-0.ram  (Detached)
19:46 <vinavil>         4567.pts-0.ram  (Detached)
19:46 <vinavil> Type "screen [-d] -r [pid.]tty.host" to resume one of them.
19:46 <vinavil> ram:~#
19:46 <vinavil> done with keygen
19:46 <wrtlprnft> ok
19:46 <philippeqc> you have 3 of them running
19:46 <wrtlprnft> there should be a file named ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub
19:46 <wrtlprnft> i need its contents
19:46 <vinavil> ok
19:46 <philippeqc> you need to say which one you wish to reattach to. so it would be "screen -r 4567" to get the 3rd one
19:50 <vinavil> wrtl: how do i send it to you?
19:50 <vinavil> phil: ok, now?
19:51 <philippeqc> that was k)
19:51 <vinavil> i found a sshkey and a sshkey.pub are you referring to these?
19:51 <wrtlprnft> the .pub one
19:52 <wrtlprnft> just paste it in here, it's public, as the name says
19:52 <philippeqc> vinavil: in g, what did you launch? if its a text editor did you type in some junk. then in l) you should have seen it exactly where you left
19:52 <vinavil> ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAABIwAAAQEA9OS/5bMtFe39x2j6qm7/EdSThHUrVdRxLR9tzjoK1am6kdWtAgKuvdDCHK+DER3IcZ9KMuOYB4x0g7W+3VmQuYC3gOELXfaLvWHuk3GxFqASR59Fhi9KYS4sF6DwX9nAsY9w8BPBGZb+rY8uC5JcvXlMX4/PGTxGLMzHEfWLyW6at4eDt6/EdpHg50ZbOExUrZBI+MOHU7JQ4jIkVv4P7py79PiI/3Ix4eppvrw8wlkDrtRW5J9p/gmcbkn8k8rfSwz3nkgR4cEV/9RzqYi8cyZgzGNdvZQumN6zoO8CGUeSHqVOqgTEah7tMdR1uWHLrMD2e9ym3QOckB/5opggBw== root@ram
19:53 <wrtlprnft> ok, you SHOULD be able to do ssh rain@wrtlprnft.servegame.org now
19:54 <vinavil> phil: no i didn't type anything, in l i have seen irssi, yes, i saw it the same as when i left
19:54 <vinavil> ok wrtl, trying
19:55 <philippeqc> vinavil: perfect! you notice that even an irc client could continue running, receiving network traffic even though the session was killed?
19:55 <vinavil> ram:~# ssh rain@wrtlprnft.servegame.org
19:55 <vinavil> The authenticity of host 'wrtlprnft.servegame.org (88.198.22.100)' can't be established.
19:55 <vinavil> RSA key fingerprint is 75:c9:d6:16:e5:4b:90:d6:75:c7:fc:0f:c3:b2:4d:26.
19:55 <vinavil> Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes
19:55 <vinavil> Warning: Permanently added 'wrtlprnft.servegame.org,88.198.22.100' (RSA) to the list of known hosts.
19:55 <vinavil> Permission denied (publickey).
19:55 <vinavil> ram:~#
19:55 <philippeqc> if you started that text based irc client on wrt client inside of a screen, logged of, you would be "online" in irc
19:56 <vinavil> phil, yes i notice
19:56 <vinavil> phil, didn't get the last sentence
19:56 <wrtlprnft> vinavil: try ssh -i ~/.ssh/sshkey rain@wrtlprnft.servegame.org
19:57 <epsy> back
19:57 <philippeqc> when you succed with the ssh, you will be connected to wrt's computer. When you will log off it, it will kill all the application that you started.
19:57 <philippeqc> BUT
19:57 <wrtlprnft> apparently you changed the location of your ssh key while running ssh-keygen, so ssh can't find it
19:58 <vinavil> sorry, it is /root/sshkey
19:58 <wrtlprnft> poor vinavil, getting advice from two persons at the same time
19:58 <wrtlprnft> well, then put that after -i
19:58 <wrtlprnft> no need to be root, btw
19:58 <vinavil> i think im in
19:58 <philippeqc> if you, for example, started irssi inside of screen on wrt's computer, logged off, went for a walk, a swim, vacation, came back, logged on again to his computer, logged to that old screen you started, the application would have kept running for you
19:58 <vinavil> no, /root/sshkey was the path
19:59 <vinavil> it says rain@marvin. am i in?
19:59 <wrtlprnft> yeah
19:59 <wrtlprnft> now you're in a console on my server
19:59 <wrtlprnft> it's called marvin :P
19:59 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: he is running as root. check the end of the key
19:59 <wrtlprnft> yeah, saw that
19:59 <wrtlprnft> maybe he ran keygen as root
19:59 <vinavil> i did
19:59 <wrtlprnft> well, it's not really my buisness
19:59 <philippeqc> o
20:00 <wrtlprnft> ok, now you can try screen -x
20:00 <vinavil> what should happen?
20:00 <vinavil> lol
20:01 <vinavil> someone wrote test 123
20:01 <wrtlprnft> one advantage of screen is that two people can share the same console :)
20:01 <vinavil> :)
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20:01 <philippeqc> shared across users, or you su'ed to it?
20:03 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: --^
20:04 <vinavil> he is gone for 30mins
20:04 <philippeqc> oki
20:04 <vinavil> thx phil
20:05 <philippeqc> np
20:05 <philippeqc> hope you actually understood some of it
20:05 <vinavil> some :)
20:05 <philippeqc> save it for later
20:05 <vinavil> experience will help
20:06 <philippeqc> play a bit with screen on your compu, start apps in it, restart you x-server, and log to them again.
20:06 <philippeqc> then start to play with screen so you learn how to start new "windows"
20:07 <vinavil> what is the use of it?
20:07 <philippeqc> look, its nothing you really use locally, but if you are going to work remotely and you want to be able to resume your work where it was, then its very good
20:08 <vinavil> oh, i see
20:08 <philippeqc> uses are many: a) keep stuff running even when you are not connected
20:08 <philippeqc> a+) when lines where bad, it was nice that even though you connection crash, your work was unnafected
20:09 <philippeqc> b) allow you to run multiple things in paralle (like multiple xterms side by side) from only one connection
20:09 <philippeqc> so for example, if you where connected to wrt's computer, and in screen, watching the dedicated server console
20:10 <philippeqc> and wanted to know if a map was present on the disk
20:11 <philippeqc> you could start a new "window" (CTRL-a c), do some "ls" or "find" there, then switch back to the first one (where the server is still running) (CTRL-a n) and instruct it to use it, then switch back to find more amusing files, or start to change the config files
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20:12 <philippeqc> if you had to do CTRL-z and then "bg", you would mess-up the game currently running
20:13 <philippeqc> It is one of those "what the heck is that, I'll never need it" and then "I'm going to name my first born after it" kind of application. 
20:13 <vinavil> is it possivle a dvd become unreadable from a day to another?
20:13 <epsy> yes
20:13 <vinavil> shit
20:14 <philippeqc> dunno
20:14 <vinavil> i've lost all my files
20:14 <philippeqc> o
20:14 <epsy> oh that's a bit different
20:14 <philippeqc> try on a different machine
20:15 <philippeqc> or reboot, might be a driver that is hang-up somehow
20:15 <vinavil> phil: yes, because i have so many machines :)
20:15 <MrBougo> bye
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20:15 <philippeqc> t'was just a suggestion
20:15 <vinavil> jk
20:16 <philippeqc> m2
20:16 <vinavil> wtf!
20:16 <vinavil> lol
20:16 <philippeqc> wow, just spontaneously created a new acronym (at least I never read it before) and it was accepted and understood
20:16 <vinavil> oh, it run!
20:17 <philippeqc> good
20:18 <vinavil> all these icons in xfce are confusing
20:22 <wrtlprnft> vinavil: back
20:24 <vinavil> wb, im checking for settings
20:24 <vinavil> is setting_custom.cfg the right place where to put them?
20:26 <vinavil> have anybody ever tried spawn points in axis in fortress?
20:27 <vinavil> what was the result?
20:27 <philippeqc> dont get your question
20:28 <vinavil> you know spaen points in fortress are not in same axis
20:28 <vinavil> spawn*
20:29 <philippeqc> I wrote the code for axis and I dont understand what you are asking
20:30 <philippeqc> its a best matching case. it uses the xdir and ydir or the angle, and then pick the closest matching axis
20:31 <vinavil> i mean they have 10 in x axis difference
20:31 <wrtlprnft> vinavil: yeah, settings_custom.cfg is where you put pretty much all settings
20:32 <wrtlprnft> vinavil: that's defined in the map file
20:32 <wrtlprnft> you don't want the spawn points to directly face each other, though
20:32 <vinavil> that was the question
20:32 <vinavil> why not?
20:33 <wrtlprnft> because the center guy could go down the center in 50% of all cases
20:33 <vinavil> you tried it or it is a thought?
20:33 <vinavil> just curios about it
20:33 <wrtlprnft> well
20:33 <philippeqc> oooo, the spawn point position is a bit shifted on the left for each team, yeah, it makes for better start-up, in the way of reducing the number of kills in the begining
20:34 <wrtlprnft> there's an old version of chico's hourglass
20:35 <vinavil> hmm
20:35 <wrtlprnft> just imagine what would happen if the two center guys went directly straight into each other
20:35 <wrtlprnft> who would be on the right side of the other guy's tail, who would be on the left?
20:39 <vinavil> this could be annoying or exiting or both
20:39 <wrtlprnft> believe me, it's rather annoying
20:40 <wrtlprnft> mostly a mistake made by newbies to map making
20:40 <vinavil> maybe, but experimenting doesn't hurt :)
20:40 <wrtlprnft> do you know anything about map making?
20:41 <vinavil> yea
20:41 <wrtlprnft> then make a map that has spawn points facing each other
20:42 <vinavil> indeed i'll try, dinner time, be back later, thx for all
20:42 <wrtlprnft> if you create a directory name ~/public_html, it will be mapped to http://wrtlprnft.servegame.org/~rain
20:42 <wrtlprnft> cya
20:42 <wrtlprnft> yw
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20:52 <vinavil> bacl
20:52 <vinavil> back*
20:52 <wrtlprnft> short supper :)
20:52 <vinavil> hehe, hamburger
20:53 <vinavil> well, how do i do that directory?
20:53 <wrtlprnft> mkdir?
20:53 <vinavil> oh, can i?
20:53 <wrtlprnft> yeah
20:53 <vinavil> oh, good
20:54 <vinavil> #list
20:54 <armabot> vinavil: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
20:55 <wrtlprnft> by the way, you start the actual server by ~/startserver.php testserver
20:55 <wrtlprnft> run it in a screen session if you want it to still be running after you log out
20:55 <vinavil> hm?
20:56 <vinavil> #config fortress_conquered_win
20:56 <armabot> vinavil: Error: 'supybot.fortress_conquered_win' is not a valid configuration variable.
20:56 <vinavil> hm, how was that command?
20:56 <vinavil> to get info abput an arma command
20:57 <wrtlprnft> #armacoonfig conquered_w
20:57 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig conquered_w
20:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sorry, no matches :S
20:57 <vinavil> oh right, armaconfig
20:57 <wrtlprnft> problem is that it doesn't know fortress commands
20:57 <wrtlprnft> just start a client and use its console
21:03 <vinavil> cant find info about fortress_conquered_win
21:05 <vinavil> #armaconfig fortress_conquered_win
21:05 <armabot> vinavil: Sorry, no matches :S
21:05 <wrtlprnft> probably undocumented
21:05 <vinavil> arrr
21:06 <vinavil> how do i set 0 points for win and 10 to conquer zone?
21:06 <wrtlprnft> but it does what the name suggests
21:06 <wrtlprnft> SCORE_WIN 0
21:06 <vinavil> like when players win without conquering they get 0 points
21:07 <wrtlprnft> FORTRESS_CONQUERED_SCORE 60
21:07 <vinavil> 60?
21:08 <wrtlprnft> err
21:08 <wrtlprnft> 10
21:08 <wrtlprnft> 60 is for sumo :)
21:08 <vinavil> heh
21:11 <vinavil> is it actually possible to set a round run time?
21:11 <wrtlprnft> no, just match
21:11 <vinavil> arrr
21:11 <wrtlprnft> you can spawn a huge deathzone after a set time, though
21:12 <epsy> heh
21:14 <vinavil> interestin, but who will win?
21:14 <vinavil> does already exist the "tie"?
21:14 <vinavil> well, it happens sometime
21:14 <vinavil> will this big death zone generate a tie?
21:15 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:15 <vinavil> good
21:15 <wrtlprnft> you could have it give points to the players who get killed to create a bonus for the team with the most survivors
21:16 <vinavil> interesting
21:16 <vinavil> how to?
21:16 <epsy> score_death_zone
21:16 <wrtlprnft> SCORE_DEATHZONE              What you get for hitting the Death Zone
21:18 <vinavil> how can i know how big is deathzone? i mean the value i set, what does it mean in the grid?
21:18 <epsy> « [0] Setting SPAM_MAXLEN (Group: Cheating) deviates from its default value; clients older than 0.2.6.0 will not be allowed in. »
21:18 <vinavil> ?
21:18 <epsy> (why are old clients banned for this ??)
21:19 <vinavil> because old players talk less
21:19 <vinavil> hehe
21:19 <wrtlprnft> no
21:19 <wrtlprnft> because they don't know it
21:19 <epsy> what's the problem
21:19 <wrtlprnft> so those players can still enter lines longer than that
21:19 <wrtlprnft> they won't show, but the player will be confused
21:20 <wrtlprnft> you can always set SPAM_MAXLEN_OVERRIDE to 0 if you don't like it
21:20 <epsy> well, what happened with the 80 limit ?
21:20 <wrtlprnft> maybe it's 80 on old clients, dunno really
21:21 <epsy> yeah so if i increase it to 100 there will be no problems
21:21 <wrtlprnft> i think so, yeah
21:21 <epsy> else that old clients will being stuck with 80
21:21 <epsy> ok
21:22 <vinavil> WIN_ZONE_INITIAL_SIZE 10000 will be enough?
21:22 <wrtlprnft> sure
21:22 <wrtlprnft> but careful, you need to make a new fortress map for that
21:22 <wrtlprnft> as the default one will reset that setting
21:22 <wrtlprnft> and set MAP_FILE_OVERRIDE to 2
21:22 <vinavil> ok, how do i upload?
21:22 <epsy> ...
21:23 <epsy> use luke-jr's repo
21:23 <wrtlprnft> either use scp -i /path/to/keyfile /path/to/map rain@wrtlprnft.servegame.org:/home/rain/public_html/path
21:24 <wrtlprnft> or just cat >~/public_html/path on my server, then paste the contents
21:24 <wrtlprnft> don't use luke
21:24 <wrtlprnft> 's repo for a serious server
21:24 <wrtlprnft> his DNS is so REALLY slow, you can forget it
21:24 <epsy> luke-jr :P
21:24 <epsy> is there a way i can get a full list of the maps in the official repos ?
21:25 <epsy> ??
21:25 <wrtlprnft> write a script to parse that
21:25 <wrtlprnft> or just wget -r it
21:26 <wrtlprnft> looking up hostname oone.resource.aa.dashjr.org…
21:26 <epsy> i dont want to clone it -.-
21:26 <wrtlprnft> looking up hostname one.resource.aa.dashjr.org…
21:26 <vinavil> wrtl: didn't get how, sorry
21:26 <wrtlprnft> well, clone it, then use find or whatever to build a list
21:26 <epsy> and to parse what ?
21:26 <wrtlprnft> vinavil: look at that scp command i gave you
21:26 <epsy> no, i would want a way to get a list dynamically
21:27 <vinavil> wrtl: yes, im looking it, but so many parameters are confusing
21:28 <vinavil> non preoccuparti luke, mi fiderò "relativamente" :)
21:28 <wrtlprnft> /path/to/map is the map on your local machine
21:28 <vinavil> ok
21:28 <wrtlprnft> and after the : comes the path you want to copy it to
21:30 <vinavil> do i have to do that from screen?
21:31 <vinavil> lol
21:32 <epsy> luke-jr, what did your « maybe » mean ?
21:33 <epsy> ok
21:33 <epsy> i'ill look 'bout that
21:33 <wrtlprnft> vinavil: no, on your machine
21:33 <vinavil> ok
21:33 <wrtlprnft> after all, you're copying a file from there :)
21:33 <vinavil> right
21:34 <vinavil> lol!
21:35 <vinavil> for keyfile is meant the public one or the other?
21:36 <wrtlprnft> epsy: http://resource.armagetronad.net/~wrtlprnft/resourcelist.php
21:36 <wrtlprnft> private
21:36 <vinavil> ok
21:36 <epsy> wrtlprnft, you did that on purpose ?
21:36 <wrtlprnft> i suggest you ln -s /path/to/private/keyfile ~/.ssh/id_rsa
21:36 <wrtlprnft> then you can drop that -i option
21:36 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:36 <epsy> ty :P
21:37 <epsy> is it updated or... ?
21:37 <wrtlprnft> just a find command wrapped up in a php script
21:37 <epsy> ok
21:37 <vinavil> wrtl: didn't get last suggestion
21:37 <wrtlprnft> $maps = explode("\n", `find /var/www/armagetron/resource/resource -name '*.xml' | grep -v '\/\.'`);
21:37 <wrtlprnft> foreach($maps as $map) { print(substr($map,38) . "\n");
21:37 <wrtlprnft> }
21:37 <epsy> (wow it's awesome how many maps we have)
21:37 <wrtlprnft> vinavil: if the keyfile is in ~/.ssh/id_rsa ssh will find it automatically
21:38 <wrtlprnft> without you worrying about a -i option, you can just drop it
21:38 <vinavil> it isn't there
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21:38 <wrtlprnft> that's why i suggest you put it there :)
21:38 <vinavil> hm
21:39 <vinavil> but it isnt called id_rsa
21:39 <wrtlprnft> rename it
21:39 <vinavil> heh
21:39 <wrtlprnft> the file doesn't care about its name
21:39 <vinavil> you want me go mad
21:40 <wrtlprnft> in fact it likes cryptic names, it's for cryptography after all
21:40  * wrtlprnft stops making bad puns
21:41 <vinavil> id_rsa and id_rsa.pub ?
21:41 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:41 <vinavil> done
21:42 <vinavil> ok, now?
21:42 <wrtlprnft> you can omit the -i from ssh and scp commands :)
21:43 <vinavil> could you re-write it?
21:43 <wrtlprnft> scp /path/to/the/mapfile/on/your/pc/map.xml rain@wrtlprnft.servegame.org:/home/rain/public_html/path
21:44 <wrtlprnft> just like normal cp
21:44 <vinavil> public_html?
21:44 <wrtlprnft> every file that's in public_html is on http://wrtlprnft.servegame.org/~rain/, too
21:44 <vinavil> ok
21:45 <vinavil> and path could be "maps" for ex?
21:45 <wrtlprnft> the path is determined by the <Resource> tag
21:45 <wrtlprnft> in the mapfile itself
21:45 <vinavil> oh, true
21:45 <vinavil> LOL!
21:46 <wrtlprnft> you need to create the directories first, though
21:46 <vinavil> ah
21:47 <vinavil> ok
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22:10 <vinavil> what is the path for testserver settings?
22:10 <epsy> wrtlprnft, could you just return the array itself or a print_r of it ?
22:11 <epsy> oh nvm
22:11 <epsy> i forgot about explode
22:11 <philippeqc> arrr! 
22:11 <epsy> philippeqc, what's wrong ?
22:11 <philippeqc> This might be the worse game evar!
22:12 <philippeqc> I cant win it, how ever I figth it
22:12 <epsy> what server ? :P
22:12 <vinavil> lol
22:12 <philippeqc> my code didnt work agains "regular" servers. I found the bug after 4 weeks of searching
22:12 <epsy> forgot a ; ?
22:12 <philippeqc> spent a day fixing it, now it works with them.
22:12 <epsy> what it does do ? DoS attack ?
22:13 <philippeqc> BUT---- now it crash with the *NEW* servers, supporting the NEW feature
22:13 <epsy> (lol)
22:13 <philippeqc> not much, the client dies, the server dies.
22:13 <epsy> °°teall me all
22:13 <vinavil> hehehe
22:13 <philippeqc> teall ???
22:14 <vinavil> t was a bug in my server
22:14 <epsy> yeah
22:14 <vinavil> hahah
22:14 <philippeqc> i resolved a prob and created a new one, of worse consequence.
22:14 <epsy> flash said something like /shuffle °°teall me
22:14 <vinavil> yes, it was an unsatifsaction of an espected integer
22:14 <epsy> which has serious issues on 0.3 branch
22:15 <philippeqc> what what is dot-dot-teall
22:15 <epsy> flash always spoke with °° in front of his chat msg
22:15 <vinavil> sno, it what /shuffle <something not an integer>
22:15 <epsy> teall was a typo
22:15 <philippeqc> o ok
22:16 <philippeqc> might be fixed, I've heard about that prob for a while
22:16 <philippeqc> BUT, 0.3.1 is blocked, so we cant make any new release any time soon
22:16 <epsy> (what's your code about ? zonesV2 ?
22:16 <philippeqc> and one of the big blocker is *ME*
22:16 <philippeqc> yes epsy 
22:16 <epsy> oh ok
22:17 <epsy> well, it's enough important to delay a release i think
22:17 <philippeqc> rather, in the trunk it is in a broken state, so no release can be done
22:17 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: what is the path for server settings? i lost it. i also need the repository address and so. then, how do i run it?
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> relax philippeqc (hi there!) , I'm the other big blocker, I think
22:18 <epsy> heh
22:18 <philippeqc> luke-jr: 0.3.1 *IS* blocked
22:19 <vinavil> luke on fire tonight, did you eat a lion?
22:19 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: what is are your blocking items again? Sound works for me
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> cycle engine noise
22:19 <epsy> vinavil, luke is luke, so stfu 
22:19 <epsy> :P
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> people were so upset that it was gone that I really think it needs to return for 0.3.1
22:19 <vinavil> right then i'll stfu
22:19 <philippeqc> o
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> there's also a ton of bugs in the media player anyway that I'd like to fix, because there's no point making a new release if we're not looking for bugs in new code
22:20 <philippeqc> and I want to merge back my zones to the trunk
22:21 <philippeqc> and then start to rebuild feature that I disabled, like the winzone and death zone
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> well, as soon as your new zones code can a) run for a few minutes without crashing and b) do everything 0.3.0 can do, you're done for 0.3.1 :)
22:21 <philippeqc> and see if supporting a zillion command line argument for zones still make sense
22:22 <philippeqc> well, as I was saying, when you join a new server, you client DIES, and the server DIES. 
22:22 <vinavil> do not add too many feature, or it will be as heavy as impossible to run for me :D
22:22 <philippeqc> vinavil: too late
22:22 <vinavil> lol
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> that reminds me, we also need to try to speed up cockpit performance if we can
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> I've got a list I haven't checked in awhile that I"ll be looking at soon.
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> Soon as the semester starts, I'm either working on some crazy project for the school or working on arma
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> I might work a bit on my alarm clock too
22:24 <philippeqc> vinavil: though luck, cause if you where to put 500$ on either a new comp or paying a developer, you'd get the best boost on the new comp.
22:24 <philippeqc> so it means nobody will give us money for improving the game ever
22:25 <philippeqc> and as I point out often, cpu double performance faster than we consumate it.
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22:25  * Lucifer_arma consumates his cpus
22:26  * epsy eats them
22:26  * philippeqc 's eyes are full of boogeyman's sand
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22:27 <philippeqc> and will go consume a few hours of sleep
22:27 <philippeqc> cya
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22:28 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: ping
22:29 <wrtlprnft> vinavil: pong
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22:29 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: did you read my message?
22:30 <wrtlprnft> wait, catching up
22:30 <wrtlprnft> actually, you're not supposed to call the mapfile "path" :P
22:31 <wrtlprnft> ok, moved it
22:32 <vinavil> lol
22:32 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.servegame.org/~rain/rain/fortress/fortress-0.2.aamap.xml
22:32  * vinavil needs help
22:32 <wrtlprnft> so RESOURCE_REPOSITORY_SERVER should be http://wrtlprnft.servegame.org/~rain/
22:32 <wrtlprnft> and MAP_FILE rain/fortress/fortress-0.2.aamap.xml
22:32 <vinavil> ok, what is the path for test server config?
22:33 <wrtlprnft> ~/testserver/config/settings_custom.cfg
22:33 <wrtlprnft> and ~/testserver/config/server_info.cfg
22:34 <vinavil> denied
22:34 <wrtlprnft> and you start it by using ~/startserver.php testserver
22:34 <wrtlprnft> huh?
22:34 <wrtlprnft> you need to put an editor command in front of it, of course
22:34 <wrtlprnft> either nano or vim
22:34 <vinavil> yes yes
22:35 <vinavil> mistyped...
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> e210882
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> er, oops
22:49 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: how do i change settings while the server run? it seems it still gives 10 points for the last team alive
22:49 <wrtlprnft> in server_info.cfg, set ADMIN_PASS to something
22:49 <wrtlprnft> then ingame say /login <thepass>
22:49 <wrtlprnft> then /admin <console command here>
22:50 <vinavil> ah!
22:50 <wrtlprnft> need to restart the server once, though
22:50 <vinavil> so i have to stop the server?
22:50 <wrtlprnft> yeah
22:50 <vinavil> how to?
22:50 <wrtlprnft> ctrl-c
22:50 <vinavil> oki
22:50 <epsy> heh
22:53 <epsy> *hmm* how i do search for a string which is a part of a value in an array
22:53 <vinavil> so, how to make it 0 points to winning team?
22:53 <epsy> score_0
22:54 <epsy> score_win 0
22:55 <vinavil> does it exist an sp_score_win?
22:55 <epsy> try and see
22:56 <epsy> should i strpos each row ?
22:57 <epsy> hmm :/
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23:06 <wrtlprnft> ?
23:06 <wrtlprnft> what are you trying to do?
23:07 <epsy> doing a search in the maplist
23:07 <epsy> so the user would just have to give a part of the name
23:08 <epsy> like on most maprotation systems which have voting 
23:08 <wrtlprnft> ah
23:09  * wrtlprnft will vote on one of his super huge maps
23:15  * epsy will be there to say !cancelvote
23:15 <epsy> i should find a way to ban maps, thru ^^
23:16 <epsy> ty for remembering me, wrtlprnft :P
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23:17 <wrtlprnft> :)
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23:27 <epsy> erm, is this valid english : «Try to scpecify further your request.»
23:28 <epsy> (hmm nice  typo)
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23:29 <Lucifer_arma> epsy: no, it's not
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> or rather, it may be, but it's hard to read :)
23:30 <P4> shou;dn't it sound like «Try to specify your further request.»
23:30 <Lucifer_arma> what's the context?
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> epsy's statement reads like "I didn't understand, can you be more specific?"
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> P4's edit reads like "Be more specific about your next request"
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, if epsy's meaning is right, I'd either say what I said, or something like "Try to be more specific with your request"
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> my recommendation to all for whom english is a second language is to strike "further" from your vocabulary
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> even native english speakers can't use it right  ;)
23:33 <P4> hehe, ok :}
23:33 <P4> i never use it, actualy i dont know the right meaning of that word :}
23:34 <Lucifer_arma> I've mostly only seen it in non-native translations of documents, and a lot of french people seem to use it a lot, seems like
23:34 <P4> epsy is french :}
23:34 <Lucifer_arma> :)
23:34 <Lucifer_arma> it's probably a direct translation from a french word that actually makes sense--in french
23:35  * Lucifer_arma has a french vocabulary of about 20 words
23:36 <P4> it's kindly like polish multiply negations :) like sentence: I've never haven't seen nothing nowhere :}
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> haha
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> come visit the South, we talk like that all the time
23:36 <P4> and in polish it works well :P polish is one of non ligic languages :}
23:37 <P4> hehhe
23:37 <P4> south or USA?
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> south of usa, where grammar is taught only to be forgot
23:37 <P4> :D
23:37 <P4> you mean Texas and relted?
23:37 <P4> i've never been to other continent that EU :P
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, texas, louisiana, etc.  the confederate states
23:38  * Lucifer_arma has never been out of north america.  :(
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> although I've invaded europe plenty of times from every direction....
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> wait, this isn't #freeciv?
23:38 <P4> hehe :P
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> we need to get another freeciv game going on the world map one of these days
23:39 <P4> there's some clone  of RISK if you know that board game :}
23:39 <Lucifer_arma> I never really enjoyed risk
23:39 <P4> yes... nor me... it's too long game :P
23:39 <Lucifer_arma> I never really enjoyed the board games that had big territories and weird movement and combat
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> risk was pretty simple, but axis and allies was really annoying
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> I think you really need a computer to do a global-scale strategy wargame, and freeciv works nicely that way
23:40 <P4> yes i know that... i got ARDENY (IIWW board game with hecagonal fields... really weird...) :P
23:40 <epsy> Lucifer_arma, ty
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> I like hexagonal games, for the most part.  But those are much smaller scale
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> epsy: np
23:45 -!- P4 is now known as CT|P4
23:49 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:49 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> man, this cd-rom drive is soooo slow
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> it's been booting feisty for 15 minutes
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23:52 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-216-182-238.client.mchsi.com] has joined #armagetron
23:52 <ghableska> vinavil: ping

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