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Log from 2007-05-16:
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00:15 <ghableska> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6659911.stm
00:15 <ghableska> hahaha
00:15 <ghableska> "It seems that Maria Luisa Zamora failed to keep up payments on her mortgage because she had in fact died in 2001."
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01:23 <_Sticky_> #tea
01:24 <armabot> _Sticky_: Fortress Café: No online players.
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02:00 <_Sticky_> #tea
02:00 <armabot> _Sticky_: Fortress Café: No online players.
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02:24 <DrJoeTron> #serverinfo cage
02:24 <armabot> DrJoeTron: The Lobster Cage: Players (7/7): GIT-ER-DUN, KALMarmorshrike, lIl sHaWtY, player 1`, Simmy, The Police, Voip
02:24 <DrJoeTron> holy jesus christ
02:25 <DrJoeTron> shits goin down : /
02:25 <DrJoeTron> #serverinfo tub
02:25 <armabot> DrJoeTron: The Lobster Tub(TEST): No online players.
02:25 <DrJoeTron> :/ cant win them all
02:25 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma i found Gunstar Super Heroes for 10 bucks
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02:30 <_Sticky_> #tea
02:30 <armabot> _Sticky_: Fortress Café: No online players.
02:32 <Your_mom_arma> hmm, should I know about that game?
02:33 <_Sticky_> which game?
02:34 <Your_mom_arma> ign sure thought so
02:37 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
02:37 <DrJoeTron> its pretty hard to find
02:37 <DrJoeTron> and its a really good game
02:37 <DrJoeTron> if you ever played gunstar heroes for genesis
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02:43 <neostrider> hello folks
02:47 <_Sticky_> hay folk
02:48 <neostrider> whats going on?
02:50 <_Sticky_> not much
02:50 <neostrider> are you under linux?
02:50 <_Sticky_> yes
02:51 <neostrider> wanna try my game
02:51 <neostrider> its inspired in ARMA
02:51 <_Sticky_> what is it?
02:52 <_Sticky_> send it over
02:52 <neostrider> check it out: http://corporatedrones.wordpress.com/2007/04/28/angstron-alpha-2-on-its-way/
02:52 <neostrider> let me do a last-minute recompile and pack it
02:52 <neostrider> are you ia32?
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02:53 <_Sticky_> can you not give me code and ill configure and build it?
02:54 <neostrider> sure
02:54 <neostrider> its GPL
02:54 <_Sticky_> cool
02:55 <_Sticky_> yeah im on a centrino 32 bit
02:56 <neostrider> great...the binary should work as well
02:56 <neostrider> but please, dont expect much
02:56 <neostrider> im not using OpenGL or any other 3D API
02:56 <_Sticky_> no problem
02:56 <neostrider> cos the game is for portable devices
02:56 <_Sticky_> ok
02:57 <_Sticky_> where can i get it?
02:57 <neostrider> hope its not too big
02:57 <neostrider> well..im trying to send it over here
02:57 <_Sticky_> hmm not sure freenode will let it
02:57 <neostrider> yeah...let me upload it
02:59 <neostrider> rapidsharerin' it
03:00 <_Sticky_> rapidsharein??
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03:02 <neostrider> yeah
03:02 <neostrider> uploading to rapidshare
03:05 <_Sticky_> wow its taking a while... how big is it?
03:05 <neostrider> 5 MB
03:06 <neostrider> here is it
03:06 <neostrider> http://rapidshare.com/files/31543109/angstron.zip.html
03:06 <_Sticky_> ahh ok not that big then
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03:10 <_Sticky_> should build.sh compile it?
03:11 <neostrider> yeah =-D
03:11 <neostrider> not that cloudy, right?
03:11 <neostrider> the binary is BZK
03:11 <neostrider> "conbed" is a level editor...but its quite arcane
03:13 <_Sticky_> threw an error during compile
03:13 <_Sticky_> the binary worked tho
03:13 <neostrider> maybe you dont have some of the dev libs
03:14 <neostrider> played the game?
03:14 <neostrider> confused?! =-p
03:14 <_Sticky_> think it may be reading the keys too quick
03:14 <_Sticky_> a slight tap is a double turn
03:14 <_Sticky_> its fast
03:14 <neostrider> yeah...im working really hard on that
03:15 <neostrider> but i needed to see if this is only with me
03:15 <_Sticky_> WOO I WON A ROUND
03:15 <neostrider> if you want to try more advanced levels (other arenas), try this:
03:15 <neostrider> GREAT \o/
03:15 <neostrider> it took me ages to win one
03:16 <neostrider> to try further levels, do this:
03:16 <neostrider> type ./BZK nameofthelevel.bzk2
03:16 <neostrider> the level names are:
03:16 <neostrider> start.bzk2 (the first level)
03:16 <neostrider> level2.bzk2
03:16 <neostrider> level3.bzk2
03:16 <neostrider> level4.bzk2
03:17 <_Sticky_> hmm need to slow thins down some how,  need something like the turbo button, that ironicaly made the computer slower
03:18 <Your_mom_arma> what kind of portable devices?
03:19 <Your_mom_arma> cellphones? sbc?
03:19 <_Sticky_> Vacuum/VAC_PolyBuffer.h:74: error: ‘assert’ was not declared in this scope
03:20 <neostrider> humm...do you know Maemo?
03:21 <neostrider> _Sticky_: strange...as far as I know, assert is a C++ keyword
03:21 <_Sticky_> yes it is
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03:24 <_Sticky_> should you be putting code in the headers like that?
03:25 <neostrider> actually, many people complain about it
03:25 <neostrider> but I like it
03:25 <neostrider> makes a lot easier to mantain
03:25 <neostrider> also, the game engine I did is very generic
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03:25 <neostrider> you just include some stuff , implement some code (about 3 functions) and you have your game
03:27 <_Sticky_> i commented out 2 asserts you have and it compiles fine
03:27 <_Sticky_> hope you are initialising properly
03:29 <neostrider> quite properly
03:29 <neostrider> I just have some leaks with the XML parsing
03:29 <neostrider> actually, "XML parsing"
03:29 <neostrider> its actually serialized data,but disguised as XML, so its more interoperable
03:30 <_Sticky_> using an xml lib?
03:30 <neostrider> no...I did most of the stuff from scratch
03:30 <neostrider> about 95% of the code is mine
03:30 <neostrider> Im working on it for about a year and a half
03:30 <_Sticky_> does look good
03:31 <_Sticky_> could have more luck with an xml lib, sort of the power of GPL is that you can take this stuff off the shelf
03:41 <neostrider> yeah...but did you liked the game?
03:41 <neostrider> any comment?
03:41 <neostrider> besides speed and controls?
03:42 <_Sticky_> neostrider: i fixed the assert problem by #include <cassert> in both BZKmain.cpp and VAC_PolyBuffer.h
03:42 <neostrider> thanks
03:43 <neostrider> I wil apply "the patch" ;-P
03:44 <neostrider> a friend of mine tested it on XP-64...
03:44 <neostrider> I just dont know how it behave on unix 64
03:44 <_Sticky_> other than speed and controls no problems
03:44 <neostrider> can you test it please?
03:44 <neostrider> http://corporatedrones.wordpress.com/2007/05/16/angstron-alpha-03/
03:45 <neostrider> sticky suggested some stuff
03:45 <neostrider> the CVS is outdated
03:45 <neostrider> VERY outdated
03:45 <neostrider> http://rapidshare.com/files/31543109/angstron.zip.html
03:45 <_Sticky_> if you start it by loading level x then whn you die it should start on that level again insted of going back to start
03:45 <neostrider> sorry luke
03:45 <neostrider> Its just too big for geocities
03:46 <neostrider> easy to say
03:46 <neostrider> but just to say
03:46 <neostrider> so show me how
03:47 <neostrider> not here, wise guy
03:47 <neostrider> daniel@sandbox:~$ /etc/init.d/apache2 start
03:47 <neostrider> bash: /etc/init.d/apache2: Arquivo ou diretório inexistente
03:47 <neostrider> daniel@sandbox:~$
03:47 <_Sticky_> english?
03:47 <neostrider> brazillian portuguese for "file or directory not found"
03:47 <_Sticky_> ahh
03:48 <_Sticky_> install apache
03:48 <_Sticky_> ./build.sh
03:48 <neostrider> that crap took me more than a year to develop...
03:49 <_Sticky_> #include <cassert> or comment out the assert
03:49 <neostrider> yeah
03:49 <_Sticky_> i said that...but hay luke-jr be nice
03:49 <neostrider> so you just include a single file and implement your own game
03:50 <neostrider> .........
03:50 <neostrider> its a design decision
03:50 <neostrider> if you dont want, do try it
03:50 <neostrider> well
03:50 <neostrider> include the cassert on BZK_BaseIncludes.h
03:50 <neostrider> its called code for embedded stuf
03:51 <neostrider> stuff
03:51 <neostrider> o
03:51 <neostrider> ok
03:51 <neostrider> if its bad code, delete it
03:51 <neostrider> whats the matter
03:51 <neostrider> normal code would run at 0.5 FPS
03:51 <neostrider> (at the best cases)
03:52 <_Sticky_> ability to close the window via the x in the corner would be nice(but i suppose not a priority on a mobile)
03:52 <_Sticky_> is the speed of the game device dependant?
03:52 <neostrider> do you see a X on the corner of a nintendo game?
03:52 <neostrider> try "ESC"
03:52 <_Sticky_> this for a nintendo?
03:53 <neostrider> no...but its meant to be a game sensation fo 
03:53 <neostrider> not a computer game
03:53 <neostrider> simple, but irrelevant
03:53 <_Sticky_> is the speed of the game device dependant?
03:53 <neostrider> noticed its 800x480?
03:54 <neostrider> its the screen resolution of the device
03:54 <neostrider> sticky, actually, it tries to fix a FPS, but that code its working...I guess I disabled it long ago
03:54 <neostrider> no
03:54 <_Sticky_> do like the 3d renderer tho
03:54 <neostrider> you can easily ajust the resolution
03:55 <neostrider> there is not OpenGL here
03:55 <neostrider> or any other 3D API
03:55 <neostrider> I did it myself
03:55 <_Sticky_> yeah you do kind of want to let the fps fluctuate with the devices power but the speed of the game remain constant
03:55 <neostrider> from scratch
03:55 <neostrider> (ok...i used the SDL_gfx for 2D primitives)
03:55 <neostrider> one thing I know its working
03:56 <neostrider> on the device, it keeps on 80% of cpu
03:56 <neostrider> instead of 100%
03:56 <neostrider> nice thing for battery powered devices
03:56 <_Sticky_> what device?
03:56 <neostrider> but I should improve it
03:56 <neostrider> Nokia 770 and N800
03:56 <neostrider> and soon, other linux devices
03:56 <neostrider> mostly phones
03:56 <_Sticky_> openmoko?
03:57 <neostrider> I trying to checkout the SVN
03:57 <neostrider> (the openmoko SVN)
03:57 <neostrider> but its not working
03:57 <neostrider> but I will change some stuff for the moko edition
03:57 <_Sticky_> yeah  my computer spent ages building the qemu testing enviornment
03:58 <neostrider> wow
03:58 <neostrider> what is inside your box?
03:58 <_Sticky_> my pc?
03:59 <neostrider> yeah
03:59 <_Sticky_> 1.7ghz pentium m
03:59 <neostrider> WOW
04:00 <_Sticky_> was up to 2gb before i killed the build
04:00 <neostrider> what did you used?
04:00 <_Sticky_> what do you mean?
04:00 <neostrider> mokomakefile?
04:00 <neostrider> or the plain usual?
04:01 <_Sticky_> hmm ill try to remember here
04:01 <neostrider> are you a developer, right?
04:02 <_Sticky_> yeah mokomakefile
04:03 <_Sticky_> well im a programmer im not a developer for moko, or tron
04:03 <neostrider> what do you do? 
04:03 <neostrider> (what distro are you using?)
04:03 <_Sticky_> robotics projects mainly
04:03 <_Sticky_> kubuntu
04:04 <neostrider> cool
04:04 <neostrider> like it
04:04 <neostrider> indeed
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04:04 <neostrider> there is a lame try of implementing the LOGO language on BZK
04:04 <neostrider> but its not even quite started
04:05 <_Sticky_> hmm logo, was that the thing i used to move a electronic turtle at school
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04:06 <neostrider> precisily
04:06 <neostrider> i never had the turtle
04:06 <neostrider> but always wanted to have one
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04:06 <neostrider> its kind of a robot too ;-)
04:06 <neostrider> but besides that, I did worked with a robotic arm on college
04:07 <neostrider> powered by a 8051
04:08 <_Sticky_> never used one of those
04:08 <neostrider> lucky you haha
04:08 <_Sticky_> ooohh harvard architecture
04:09 <_Sticky_> yeah we have quite a few robot arm stuff around
04:09 <neostrider> hahahaha...im much more a ARM guy now
04:09 <neostrider> since my old N-Gage hackings
04:09 <_Sticky_> what do you do then?
04:09 <neostrider> my first mobile 3D game engine...that ran at 0.5 FPS!
04:09 <neostrider> well.. oficially, I word for a newspaper
04:09 <neostrider> C# and other boring stuff
04:10 <neostrider> but I love mobile gaming
04:10 <neostrider> after my N-Gage was stolen, I got this idea of making the 770 a good gaming plataform
04:10 <neostrider> maybe im not suceding, but Im trying the best that I can
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04:10 <_Sticky_> your not doing bad
04:11 <_Sticky_> appears to run very fast
04:11 <neostrider> but on device, that same level is much more slower
04:11 <neostrider> about 1 FPS
04:11 <neostrider> on smaller arenas, the framerate improves
04:11 <_Sticky_> that is about on a par with other mobile phone games ive played
04:12 <neostrider> on a 1.7 Ghz machine...
04:12 <neostrider> unfortunatly, the 770 is a ARM 120Mhz
04:12 <_Sticky_> no other mobile phone games i have played have been 1fps on the phone
04:12 <neostrider> (well...that game ran ok on a celeron 600...but hey...the top ARM i have seen around has 320 Mhz)
04:13 <neostrider> take a look:
04:13 <neostrider> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evbAMS4b7VQ
04:13 <neostrider> its me, demonstrating a very old version of the game technologie ,right on device
04:13 <_Sticky_> heh a 320ARM probably could take a 600mhz celeron
04:14 <neostrider> the speed of the game is not very different from this
04:14 <neostrider> oh yeah...notice I use 64 bit fixed point math...and can run faster that its running
04:15 <neostrider> but on a 800x480 screen, 32 bit fixed point math looks ugly
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04:16 <_Sticky_> and the arms have a fpu?
04:16 <_Sticky_> dont the arms have an fpu even?
04:16 <neostrider> no...although linux provides a good emulation, I cant rely on it
04:16 <neostrider> I want it to run other devices too
04:17 <neostrider> I have a old but trusty Cassiopeia A-11 running Windows CE 1.0
04:17 <neostrider> I want to make some games for it
04:17 <neostrider> (of course, simpler games)
04:17 <neostrider> maybe some vector 2D games
04:17 <_Sticky_> what version arm is it?
04:17 <neostrider> on 770, 926
04:18 <neostrider> (and the Casio has a mere SuperHitachi 3 with 40 Mhz hehe)
04:20 <_Sticky_> your very dedicated to mobile games
04:20 <_Sticky_> the lack of power would piss me off
04:20 <neostrider> its the closest I can get to videogames without spending a fortune
04:20 <neostrider> the lack of power enpowers my challenge =-)
04:21 <_Sticky_> you have a pc, thats all you need
04:21 <neostrider> not for a Videgame
04:21 <neostrider> (well...XBOX has that kit, the XNA...but hey...windows...ugh)
04:21 <_Sticky_> im realy into games but have never owned a console
04:21 <neostrider> before the N-Gage, my last console was a nintendo 8bits heheh
04:22 <neostrider> and after the Gage, nothing more ;-)
04:22 <neostrider> the PC was a better plataform for me
04:22 <neostrider> quicly after the novelty of the PC games worn off (It was Doom2 time)
04:23 <neostrider> i discovered Qbasic...i needed nothing more to create some simple but fun adventures
04:26 <neostrider> well
04:26 <neostrider> thanks for the help, sticky!
04:26 <neostrider> that was a very valuable testing session
04:26 <neostrider> why, luke-jr?
04:27 <neostrider> ok...whatever you say
04:28 <_Sticky_> np neostrider
04:28 <neostrider> thanks...i must leave now...
04:28 <neostrider> good night 
04:28 <_Sticky_> cya
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05:04 <Durka> Lucifer_arma: \o
05:05 <Durka> luke-jr: ;)
05:06 <Durka> kan yu halp me?
05:08 <Durka> hallo?
05:09 <Durka> luke-jr: luke-jr luke-jr luk
05:09 <Durka> seriously though
05:10 <Durka> I need to figure out the scoring distribution for 4 team fortress
05:10 <Durka> any help?
05:12 <Durka> :(
05:13 <Durka> luke-jr: ^^ :D
05:13 <Durka> no thanks :P
05:15 <Durka> :'(
05:26  * Lucifer_arma wants the semester to hurry up and start so he can start cracking on the sound engine
05:27  * Lucifer_arma has put the sound engine at the top of his todo list as soon as lecturing starts
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06:08 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: taking summer classes?
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: nope
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> working.  The school is giving me 36 hours/week, which is really unusual but I guess it's ok since I started so late in the fiscal year
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06:23 <GodTodd> ahhh
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> and since I'm not taking classes, there's going to be lots of time when the teacher's lecturing and I have nothing to do, or when students are doing the lab and I have nothing to do
06:24 <GodTodd> yeah, i see now :)
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> I get paid to be there, be available to instructors, and help them :)
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> what I do otherwise, as long as I"m there, is my own business
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> sourceforge is launching a tool for freelancers that I"ll make sure to register for and see if I can score some extra work
06:24 <GodTodd> cool :)
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> my supervisor told me if I can find some contract programming, I'm welcome to do it right there in the lab prep room when I'm not working for the school :)
06:25 <GodTodd> that's snazzy :)
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06:38 <Lucifer_arma> http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/15/2149224&from=rss
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06:58 <anjori> Lucifer_arma around?
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> yessir, what's up?
06:59 <anjori> i'm trying to help wizz get a soccer server up in spidey's absence. but i get a map load error when trying to connect to the server
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> screenshot?
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> or copy and paste whatever's in the terminal
07:01 <anjori> it's in the server browser list, if that would be easier. FA Clan Server SoccerBall
07:02 <anjori> the server starts fine. just get an error when trying to connect in tron
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> typo in the name
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> it needs to be...
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom/clever/soccersty-0.2.0.aamap.xml
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> the s in sty is missing :)
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> anjori: ping, in case you missed it since I took 4 minutes to respond
07:08 <anjori> mm, thats what i have in the config;
07:09 <anjori> MAP_FILE Your_mom/clever/soccersty-0.2.0.aamap.xml
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07:11 <Durka> mkzelda: :D
07:11 <mkzelda> durka
07:11 <Durka> one sec
07:11 <Durka> alphabetizing it xD
07:16 <mkzelda> durka
07:16 <Durka> mkzelda: 
07:16 <mkzelda> durka
07:16 <Durka> mkzelda: 
07:16 <mkzelda> oh sorry my translator was off
07:16 <Durka> :P
07:17 <mkzelda> :/ i get a lot of, im the only one moving on ww :/
07:17 <mkzelda> wildfort
07:17 <Durka> lol
07:17 <Durka> http://durkadurkaland.com/4teamfortress.cfg
07:18 <Durka> ok, i gotta fix the settings
07:18 <anjori> Lucifer_arma: http://anjori.com/random/soc.png
07:18 <anjori> http://anjori.com/random/soc2.png
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> aha, it's failing on the dtd
07:19 <anjori> am i missing something? should i post server_info.cfg?
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> http://master.resource.aa.dashjr.org/resource/AATeam/  <--- I don't see the pig dtd in there
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> you have to put the dtd somewhere special, but I don't know where, and it'll work
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: ping
07:21 <Durka> Lucifer_arma: halp :P
07:21 <anjori> i have:  
07:21 <anjori> talk_to_master 1
07:21 <anjori> Server_name 0x3399ff|FA| Clan Server – 0xffff00SoccerBall!
07:21 <anjori> ROUND_CONSOLE_MESSAGE 0x3399ffBounce the Zone into the Goal :D
07:21 <anjori> SERVER_OPTIONS grab a beer and kick a goal
07:21 <anjori> URL http://fallin-angels.net
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> anjori: if it's not finding the dtd, I can't help you, but wrtlprnft can, I think :)
07:21 <anjori> admin_pass ******
07:21 <anjori> SERVER_PORT 4534
07:21 <anjori> resource_repository_server http://dedicated.fallin-angels.net/arma/
07:21 <anjori> MAP_FILE Your_mom/clever/soccersty-0.2.0.aamap.xml
07:21 <anjori> CONSOLE_DECORATE_IP 1
07:21 <anjori> MAX_OUT_RATE 8
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> afaik, you have to put the dtd in the directory with the map, but I don't actually know
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> if you have access to one of the ctf servers spidey set up, the answer should be in there
07:23 <anjori> ill take a look
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07:25 <MrBougo> hello
07:25 <MrBougo> :)
07:25 <Durka> :)
07:25 <Durka> Lucifer_arma: !!!
07:26 <anjori> hey bougs
07:26 <MrBougo> ant!
07:26 <MrBougo> :)
07:26 <Durka> anjori: You're ant?
07:26 <Durka>  :P
07:26 <anjori> indeed
07:26 <Durka> hi fellow ctf admin xD
07:26 <MrBougo> lol!
07:26 <anjori> hello there
07:26 <Durka> Lucifer_arma: -.-
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: wtf do you want?
07:26 <Durka> Lucifer_arma: :D
07:26 <Durka> ok
07:26 <MrBougo> Durka didnt know >:D
07:27 <Durka> for 4 team fortress
07:27 <Durka> what should 
07:27 <Durka> FORTRESS_CONQUERED_SCORE be
07:27 <Durka> and 
07:27 <Durka> SCORE_WIN
07:27 <Durka> ^_^
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> fuck if I know
07:27 <Durka> :'(
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> that's what calculators are for
07:27 <Durka> i mean
07:27 <Durka> its gotta be divisible by 6
07:27 <Durka> so fortress_conquered_score 6?
07:27 <Durka> and score_win 12
07:28 <Durka> or what :D
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> take all the numbers it's gotta be divisible by and multiply them together
07:28 <MrBougo> hehe
07:28 <Durka> 2 and 3 :D
07:28 <Durka> and 1 ;)
07:28 <MrBougo> :DD
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> 2*3*6 = ?
07:28 <Durka> not 6
07:28 <MrBougo> nah
07:28 <MrBougo> 2*3=6
07:28 <Durka> 3! ;)
07:28 <Durka> 3*2*1 :D
07:28 <MrBougo> 3!
07:28 <Durka> +0 ;)
07:28 <MrBougo> /1
07:28 <Durka> so ya, 6 i guess
07:29 <Durka> what about limit_score
07:29 <Durka> 150?
07:29 <MrBougo> sqrt(36)
07:29 <Durka> limit_rounds 15?
07:29 <Durka> -.-
07:29 <MrBougo> err you want to put a limit score + limit round?
07:29 <mkzelda> sqrt(this_apartment)
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> score_win * some number that gives a reasonable time period for the match?
07:29 <Durka> so ya?
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> MrBougo: you need them
07:29 <Durka> well normal fort is
07:29 <Durka> 10 rounds 100 points
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> if you want to use only a score limit, make limit round really high
07:29 <Durka> this is 15 rounds 150 points?
07:30 <MrBougo> Lucifer_arma, that's what i thought :p
07:30 <Durka> BUT
07:30 <Durka> only 1/4 chance of winning round
07:30 <Durka> BUT
07:30 <MrBougo> TER
07:30 <Durka> +6 for conquering zones
07:30 <Durka> meh, lets test it?
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> not me, I'm going to bed soon
07:30 <MrBougo> note something
07:30 <Durka> score_win 12?
07:30 <Durka> :D
07:30 <Durka> k
07:30 <MrBougo> if you conquer a zone that gives you ie. 6 points
07:31 <MrBougo> then you finish the round and you get 10 points
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> if 3 teams conquer it together, each one gets 2 points
07:31 <mkzelda> sorry im def atm
07:31 <Durka> yes
07:31 <Durka> if 2, then each gets 3
07:31 <Durka> ew
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> if 2 teams together, they get 3
07:31 <Durka> odd #s
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> one team gets six
07:31 <MrBougo> 10+6 isnt dividable (divisible or whatever) by 6 and 10
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> 10+6 doesn't have to be, only the zone score has to be
07:31 <MrBougo> and four?
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> four can't, it's a 4-team fortress server
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> the fourth team owns it :)
07:31 <Durka> should it be 12 for conquering zone?
07:32 <Durka> so no odd #s
07:32 <Durka> wait no
07:32 <Durka> thats still odd
07:32 <Durka> wait no
07:32 <Durka> it isnt xD
07:32 <Durka> 1 team = 12
07:32 <MrBougo> wait no
07:32 <Durka> 2 = 6
07:32 <Durka> 3 = 4
07:32 <MrBougo> 3=4
07:32 <Durka> xD
07:32 <MrBougo> 4=3
07:32 <Durka> u cant have 4
07:32 <Durka> lol
07:32 <MrBougo> mathematics NG
07:32 <MrBougo> why not?
07:32 <Durka> its only 4 teams
07:32 <MrBougo> imagine 8 ppl fighting
07:32 <MrBougo> 4/zone
07:32 <Durka> it can't conquer itself
07:32 <Durka> 4 team fortress bougy :P
07:33 <MrBougo> oh ok :p
07:33 <Durka> 12 or 24?
07:33 <MrBougo> sometimes there can be 8 with two groups of zones
07:33 <Durka> er
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> 6
07:33 <Durka> 12 or 6?
07:33 <MrBougo> lol
07:33 <Durka> 6
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> smaller scores are better so players can more easily estimate on the fly
07:33 <Durka> says the boss
07:33 <Durka> aighty
07:33 <Durka> score_win 12?
07:33 <Durka> normal is score_win 10
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> that's for the match
07:33 <Durka> round
07:33 <MrBougo> haha
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> so if you conquer 2 zones by yourself in one match, you win it
07:34 <Durka> limit_score is match
07:34 <Durka> silly :P
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> oh wait, that's right
07:34 <Durka> xD
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> personally, I'd do score_win 0
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> no camper points, make 'em go take forts
07:34 <Durka> no!
07:34 <Durka> i know
07:34 <Durka> its going to be the same as before
07:34 <MrBougo> camper points rock!
07:34 <Durka> if your zone gets conquered
07:34 <MrBougo> do it nolimit
07:34 <mkzelda> you need conquer points
07:34 <Durka> you DON'T get eradicated
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> just try to balance it against the fort zone scores, which is pretty tough (I tried it with 3 team fortress)
07:34 <Durka> ill do 12
07:35 <Durka> score_win 12
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> kill half the team at least, man :)
07:35 <Durka> keeping it relatively simple xD
07:35 <Durka> kill players in thhe server named Lucifer :D
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> otherwise there's no real penalty for losing the zone
07:35 <Durka> ya there is
07:35 <Durka> if you lose the zone
07:35 <MrBougo> make some random points script! >:DDD
07:35 <Durka> you cant win the round
07:35 <Durka> well you actually can
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but you can take the other 3 zones
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> 3 * 6 = 12, compared to giving up 6 points
07:36 <Durka> 3 * 6 isnt 12
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> 18, whatever
07:36 <Durka> xD
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> I use a calculator for a reason :)
07:36 <Durka> :P
07:36 <MrBougo> hey, servers with some randomness added = potentially fun
07:36 <Durka> so score_win 18?
07:36 <Durka> o_o
07:36 <Durka> no
07:36 <MrBougo> and now i'm out
07:36 <Durka> o_O
07:36 <Durka> O_o
07:36 <MrBougo> i'm out to school
07:36 <Durka> 12 ftw
07:36 <Durka> no!
07:36 <Durka> yes!
07:36 <Durka> leave! :D
07:36 <MrBougo> i'll ask my maths teacher xD
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> who wins the round if someone takes your zone, but you take the other 3, and you take the last zone?
07:37 <MrBougo> rofl
07:37 <MrBougo> me?
07:37 <MrBougo> ok bye :p
07:37 <Durka> no
07:37 <Durka> if there's one zone left
07:37 <Durka> and it isn't yours
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07:37 <Lucifer_arma> that team wins
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, maybe no points for a zone and have it just eradicate the team
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> it's your server man, you figure it out.  :)
07:38 <Durka> that team wins
07:38 <Durka> lol ^^
07:38 <Durka> lets test it out i guess
07:39 <Durka> heh
07:39 <Durka> people liked it last summer
07:39 <Durka> a lot
07:39 <Durka> (when lucifer was hiding and never played)
07:39 <Durka> but it needs a european hoster
07:40 <Durka> since no euros play on us servers
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> mostly clear my ass!  I'm in the middle of a thunderstorm!
07:40  * Lucifer_arma kicks the weather notifier firefox plugin
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> #weather 78717
07:41 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The current temperature in Brushy Creek Marlins, Austin, Texas is 68.9°F (12:38 AM CDT on May 16, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 64.4°F. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016.1 hPa (Rising). 
07:42 <Durka> #m wrtlprnft :D I have the 4 team fortress settings. Since Team Sumo Saloon and Sumo Bar are running the same settings atm (speaking of that, I suggest you NOT using my team sumo map for the settings, and instead the teamsumo.cfg file). Anyways, they're running the same settings, so, maybe you could turn Team Sumo Saloon into 4 Team Fortress Lounge (or something ;) ) for a bit?
07:42 <armabot> Durka: The operation succeeded.
07:45 <Durka> #m wrtlprnft http://durkadurkaland.com/teamsumo.cfg || http://durkadurkaland.com/4teamfortress.cfg
07:45 <armabot> Durka: The operation succeeded.
07:48 <Durka> armabot: say something about what i just uploaded xD
07:48 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Durka/4teamfortress/map-1.aamap.xml: Resource by Durka
07:48 <Durka> ^_^
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07:54 <mkzelda> #lastseen samu
07:54 <armabot> mkzelda: Samu seems to be on Brandon Likes Boys right now.
07:54 <mkzelda> heh
07:55 <mkzelda> #server brandon
07:55 <mkzelda> what is it?
07:55 <mkzelda> #serverinfo brandon
07:55 <armabot> mkzelda: Brandon Likes Boys: Players (3/16): grissy, Samu, Wocka
07:58 <Durka> ok, im putting my server up
07:59 <Durka> #serverinfo {by
07:59 <armabot> Durka: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “{by” at the moment, sorry.
07:59 <Durka> 4 Team Fortress {by Durka}
07:59 <Durka> check it out
08:00 <Durka> damn, the bots pwn
08:03 <Durka> #serverinfo {by
08:03 <armabot> Durka: 4 Team Fortress {by Ðúrkå/xff0000}: No online players.
08:03 <Durka> yay
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08:05 <mkzelda> damn map load errors
08:05 <Durka> really?
08:05 <Durka> #serverinfo {by
08:05 <armabot> Durka: 4 Team Fortress {by Ðúrkå/xff0000}: No online players.
08:05 <Durka> still up, good
08:05 <Durka> hmm
08:06 <Durka> i saw ur attempt to login
08:06 <mkzelda> what does ERROR: Return value 503 != 200. mean?
08:06 <Durka> Lucifer_arma: ^^
08:06 <Durka> :P
08:06 <Durka> DrJoeTron: try connecting
08:06 <mkzelda> i got that on another server too
08:06 <mkzelda> tho wild fort was fine
08:06 <Durka> it can't be the map
08:06 <DrJoeTron> but...
08:06 <Durka> because i didn't have it in my resource folder
08:06 <DrJoeTron> but what if i'm *seen* there
08:06 <DrJoeTron> :I
08:06 <mkzelda> it happens when i try to dl it
08:06 <Lucifer_arma> mkzelda: it means you got a 503 error instead of a 200 success when your client tried to get the map
08:06 <mkzelda> change your name
08:07 <Lucifer_arma> #google 503 error apache
08:07 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Search took 0.12 seconds: Apache Error Message - Member's Area - WestHost Inc.: <http://members.westhost.com/sm_sa_tools_apache.html>; [Pkg-mono-devel] Re: mod_mono, apache2 and 503 Service Temporarily ...: <http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-mono-devel/2005-February/000367.html>; Apache /Tomcat returning Error 503: <http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/t133436 (3 more messages)
08:07 <mkzelda> not in cache, dling, downloading 503
08:07 <Durka> it wasn't in my cache either
08:07 <Lucifer_arma> ah, that's "service temporarily unavailable"
08:07 <Durka> but it downloaded fine
08:07 <Lucifer_arma> usually dns problems
08:07 <Durka> same with joe
08:08 <mkzelda> works when i fetch via firefox
08:08 <mkzelda> so its arma problem
08:11 <mkzelda> could it be this...
08:11 <mkzelda> MAP_FILE Durka/4teamfortress/map-1.aamap.xml(http://resource.armagetronad.net/resource/Durka/4teamfortress/map-1.aamap.xml)
08:11 <mkzelda> isnt it MAP_FILE_URI http:// ...?
08:12 <Durka> no
08:12 <Durka> everyone else is downloading it fine
08:12 <mkzelda> oh :(
08:12 <mkzelda> ive had this prob on other machines b4
08:13 <Durka> save the map off manually
08:13 <Durka> and come play
08:14 <Durka> we got a 3 ppl :P
08:15 <mkzelda> oh man, does arma use wget?
08:17 <Durka> i can send u the file if you're that lazy lol
08:17 <mkzelda> Resolving resource.armagetronad.net... 88.198.22.100, 65.30.29.106, 24.145.246.99, ...
08:17 <mkzelda> Connecting to resource.armagetronad.net|88.198.22.100|:80... connected.
08:17 <mkzelda> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 503 Service Unavailable
08:17 <mkzelda> 02:15:05 ERROR 503: Service Unavailable.
08:18 <mkzelda> i hit that when i use wget
08:18 <mkzelda> but i can snag it with firefox
08:18 <mkzelda> which is why im asking
08:18 <mkzelda> its not bc im lazy
08:19 <mkzelda> i dunno, i was able to dl maps fine on wild fort
08:30 <mkzelda> :(
08:30 <Durka> back up
08:30 <mkzelda> why? im fine where i am
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08:37 <Durka> z-man: :D
08:53 <Durka> wrtlprnft: if you insist, ill change it xD
08:53 <wrtlprnft> i changed i myself already on my server
08:54 <Durka> wrtlprnft: 
08:54 <Durka> team_max_players 8
08:54 <Durka> i guess
08:54 <Durka> 32 person server ;)
08:55 <Durka> and server_options says team sumo
08:55  * Durka stops being picky and thanks wrtl tons :P
08:57 <mkzelda> 4 team fort saloon?
08:57 <wrtlprnft> Durka: set it to 5
08:57 <Durka> nice
08:58 <wrtlprnft> and removed the “team sumo” in the options, will take effect on next restart
08:59 <Durka> xD
09:00 <Durka> the only thing i'm worried about is limit_score and limit_rounds
09:01 <wrtlprnft> it should be like in your config
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10:49 <dsop> n/wc
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12:07 <ed_> window
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12:41 <ed_> is it just me, or are the forums down?
12:43 <guru3-uni> that's true... the forums wouldn't be very happy right now
12:44 <guru3-uni> better get on and disable them
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12:47 <guru3-uni> ahahah the firealarm test was about an hour late D:
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13:14 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Xian/square/tunnel-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Xian
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13:47 <epsy> hi
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13:52 <kidanger> epsy: D'après toi, pour un serveur qui lag, le mieux c'est sumo settings ou DF ?
14:09 <epsy> guru3, why did you put forums down ?
14:15 <wrtlprnft> epsy: ?
14:16 <guru3> there was an issue, it's been resolved
14:16 <guru3> i think
14:18 <wrtlprnft> i can access the forums
14:18 <guru3> i just re-enabled them
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14:39 <MrBougo> hello
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14:47 <Bougo> yelo
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15:35 <akira_> lol some idiots try to ride on winZip 
15:35 <akira_> winzix O.o
15:36 <akira_> the ultimate compression.. turns you 500 kB file into a 501kB
15:36 <MrBougo> wtf?
15:36 <akira_> the prog comes with a trojan
15:36 <akira_> :=
15:37 <akira_> :)
15:37 <akira_> ads/spyware presumably
15:37 <MrBougo> wtf
15:37 <akira_> and ultimate compression is just adding a header/footer to the file
15:38 <akira_> www.winzix.com
15:38 <akira_> the site is clean
15:38 <MrBougo> i see that
15:38 <MrBougo> most of sites like that are clean :p
15:38 <MrBougo> and it's designed for linux
15:38 <MrBougo> it looks way cleaner with "linux" on it
15:38 <akira_> hehe
15:39 <akira_> they already started to seed *.zixed torrents
15:44 <kidanger> epsy: re, Il y a quoi de "facile" à faire comme map rotation ?
15:54 <epsy> kidanger, euhh
15:54 <epsy> t'entends quoi apr « facile » ? ^^
15:56 <kidanger> bah MAP_ROTATION(la comande), c'est facile, mais si on part sur des scripts ou du Python ( c'est peu être pareil...) ba... c'est pas la peine
15:57 <epsy> ça dépend de ce que tu veux faire
15:57 <kidanger> ba juste une map rotation et pourquoi pas une config roattion
15:57 <kidanger> rotation*
15:58 <epsy> tu compte changer la liste des maps souvent ou ,
15:58 <epsy> ?
15:58 <kidanger> oui je pense
15:59 <epsy> je me souviens avoir foutu qq part un truc qui fait config et map
15:59 <epsy> att
15:59 <epsy> c sur linux ?
15:59 <kidanger> oui
15:59 <epsy> est-ce que t'as php ?
15:59 <kidanger> jconnais pas
16:00 <epsy> bah il faut php et mysql pour qu'il marche
16:00 <kidanger> Il faut quel logiciel ?
16:01 <epsy> php et mysql
16:01 <kidanger> ok
16:01 <kidanger> bah
16:01 <kidanger> ya rien qui puisse les remplacé ?
16:02 <epsy> à moins de porter le script, non
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16:03 <epsy> guru3, ( guru3_ ) ty
16:06 <kidanger> epsy: tu as un lien ?
16:10 <MrBougo> j'ai vu un chouette truc
16:10 <MrBougo> XAMMP
16:10 <MrBougo> http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html
16:10 <MrBougo> Many people know from their own experience that it's not easy to install an Apache web server and it gets harder if you want to add MySQL, PHP and Perl.
16:10 <MrBougo> XAMPP is an easy to install Apache distribution containing MySQL, PHP and Perl. XAMPP is really very easy to install and to use - just download, extract and start.
16:10 <MrBougo> :)
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16:12 <epsy> kidanger, nan c sur mon ordi xD
16:12 <epsy> hay luke-jr 
16:13 <luke-jr|work> Lucifer_arma: ping
16:13 <luke-jr|work> hi epsy 
16:24 <kidanger> MrBougo: Thanks, I download it
16:24 <MrBougo> i've never tested this
16:24 <MrBougo> but i know apache is indeed difficult to instal
16:24 <MrBougo> i've once tried it
16:24 <epsy> really ?
16:24 <MrBougo> yup
16:24 <epsy> i dont mind it's difficult to install
16:24 <MrBougo> and it turned out to be useless for me :
16:24 <MrBougo> :p*
16:25 <MrBougo> heh, it isnt *that* difficult
16:25 <MrBougo> but i hate doing stuff without understanding what i'm doing
16:26 <MrBougo> quicktime alternative roxszs
16:26 <epsy> MrBougo, delire ?
16:27 <MrBougo> no, why?
16:27 <epsy> MrBougo, !delire ?
16:27 <MrBougo> quicktime suxszs
16:27 <MrBougo> but the alternative one is :DDD
16:27 <epsy> MrBougo, !delire !nodelire ?
16:27 <MrBougo> whatcha mean?
16:28 <epsy> #serverinfo delire
16:28 <armabot> epsy: !delire !nodelire: No online players.
16:28 <epsy> ^^
16:28 <MrBougo> what the hell
16:28 <MrBougo> rofl
16:28 <epsy> still working xD
16:28 <MrBougo> i didnt know what you wre talking about
16:28 <epsy> i saw xD
16:29 <MrBougo> #serverinfo delire
16:29 <armabot> MrBougo: !delire !nodelire: No online players.
16:34 <luke-jr|work> http://www.the-eggman.com/writings/graphics/crime_zone.gif
16:36 <MrBougo> #lastseen bougo
16:36 <armabot> MrBougo: Mr. Bougo seems to be on   !delire !nodelire right now.
16:36 <kidanger> !nodelire
16:37  * MrBougo is now playing: DJ Eureka - Macionis (D I G I T A L L Y - I M P O R T E D - European Trance, Techno, Hi-NRG... we can't define it!)
16:37 <MrBougo> no way
16:37  * MrBougo is now playing: Epsy - I am BATMAN MAN !
16:37 <MrBougo> either
16:38 <MrBougo> 40 millions units of Vista sold
16:38 <MrBougo> we are doomed
16:38 <luke-jr|work> ew
16:38  * epsy doesn't care
16:38 <epsy> why does this password this always break ?
16:38 <kidanger> ( Installation en cour
16:39 <kidanger> )
16:39 <epsy> arr yeah it's because i fucked up args extractling -.-
16:39 <MrBougo> because you are BATMAN MAN
16:39 <MrBougo> !!!!1
16:39 <MrBougo> #realchatlogs
16:39 <armabot> MrBougo: http://master3.armagetronad.net/armalogs/
16:40 <MrBougo> #last --with compared
16:40 <armabot> MrBougo: [07:35:41] <Lucifer_arma> 3 * 6 = 12, compared to giving up 6 points
16:40 <MrBougo> :DDDD
16:42 <epsy> lol
16:47 <kidanger> err
16:49 <kidanger> petit problème: je fais /opt/lampp/lampp start
16:51 <kidanger> et ca fait: 
16:51 <kidanger> Starting XAMPP for Linux 1.6.1...
16:51 <kidanger> XAMPP: Another web server daemon is already running.
16:51 <kidanger> XAMPP: Starting MySQL...
16:51 <kidanger> XAMPP: Starting ProFTPD...
16:51 <kidanger> XAMPP for Linux started.
16:52 <kidanger> mais après ...
16:52 <kidanger> On peut rien faire ?
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17:02 <kidanger> epsy: Après il faut faire quoi ?
17:03 <kidanger> Il faut un éditeur ?
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17:13 <MrBougo> aplà je ne peux plus t'aider
17:14 <MrBougo> consulte la doc 
17:14 <epsy> et ça installe où ton truc ?
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17:18 <epsy> MrBougo, est-ce que ça installe phpmyadmin ? xD
17:18 <MrBougo> je crois pas
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17:39 <MrBougo> bye
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18:17 <rain_who> does anybody have debian here?
18:22 <P4> rain_who: i got one copy :}
18:22 <P4> etch :}
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18:24 <rain_who> yea, i've got etch, i was looking for cli boot instead of gdm logon, already solved, thx
18:24 <P4> ok :}
18:24 <P4> gdm is nice, but entrance is better i think :D
18:25 <P4> #tea
18:25 <armabot> P4: Fortress Café: No online players.
18:26 <rain_who> entrance?
18:26 <P4> yes, from englightenment.org :}
18:26 <P4> enlightenment.org *
18:26 <rain_who> what about it? is it lighter?
18:26 <P4> elive, it's debian etch with e16/e17
18:27 <P4> it is lightweight but is it lighther thn gdm... could be
18:28  * epsy notes entrances is *unstable*
18:28 <rain_who> hmm, im looking for a really lightweight desktop manager
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18:28 <P4> http://xcomputerman.com/pages/images/entrance_darkrock.png <=- take a look
18:28 <rain_who> hmm, epsy doesn't agree ;)
18:28 <luke-jr|work> kdm works
18:28 <epsy> http://xcomputerman.com/pages/images/entrance_default.png
18:29 <epsy> (this shot is nicer :P )
18:29 <P4> :}
18:29 <epsy> rain_who, i had big problems with it a while ago
18:29 <P4> anyway it's light and unstable (testing:})
18:29 <epsy> didn't tried since that
18:29 <P4> what problems?
18:29 <epsy> 1/entrance wasn't booting
18:30 <rain_who> luke: is it lighter than gnome?
18:30 <epsy> 2/ the login prompt was buggying(uh uh uh)
18:30 <epsy> 3/ when killing it, i had half of my processes gone with it
18:30 <epsy> that was a while ago with the gentoo ebuild
18:31 <P4> dunno epsy :} i haven't got any probles few years ago, maybe because i was trying elive ;} 
18:31 <epsy> (still worked fine on etch, apart sessions which aren't detected correctly)
18:32 <luke-jr|work> rain_who: it works
18:32 <epsy> lol
18:32 <luke-jr|work> if you need light, use startx
18:32 <P4> hehe, it works on powerfull pCs ;}
18:33 <P4> change runlevel to 2 and enjoy textmode consoles :}
18:33 <epsy> :o)
18:33 <epsy> did you tried qingy ?
18:33 <P4> what'sthat?
18:34 <rain_who> luke: the fact is i am a noob in linux, this is the second week and im still not understanding how to use xorg without gnome
18:34 <epsy> a replacement to agetty/getty
18:34 <P4> Qingy Is Not GettY
18:34 <P4> :}
18:34 <luke-jr|work> rain_who: ...
18:34 <luke-jr|work> GNOME sucks
18:34 <rain_who> indeed
18:34 <epsy> dont trust him
18:34 <P4> gnome's better than kde :}
18:35 <rain_who> but that is how debian come, with gnome
18:35 <epsy> gnome is good, kde is good, e17 is better
18:35 <epsy> xD
18:35 <P4> rain_who: you can choose window manager during debian install ;]
18:35 <rain_who> well, im talking about a dual 433 celeron guys...
18:35 <epsy> or if you install it yourself thru synaptic
18:35 <P4> dual core 433MHz? :P
18:35 <epsy> lol! xD
18:36 <P4> yea synaptic pwns in gfx mode :}
18:36 <epsy> that's one of the best things there is in debian
18:36 <rain_who> yes, 433MHz 512sdram
18:36 <epsy> apt and synaptic
18:36 <P4> epsy: try poldek from PLD :D
18:37 <epsy> i never tried pld
18:37 <epsy> should do that someday
18:37 <epsy> when i finished that stupid script
18:37 <P4> PLD is good for server purpose, it's stable, secure and polish :D
18:37 <epsy> polished or polish ? xD
18:37 <P4> polish :} 
18:37 <rain_who> so, how do i use xorg without running gnome?
18:38 <epsy> :D 
18:38 <epsy> rain_who, open synaptic and install kde
18:38 <rain_who> ...
18:38 <P4> rain_who: edit your config script in home_dir
18:38 <epsy> then select kde in gdm
18:38 <P4> `then just run startx :}
18:38 <epsy> oh
18:38 <epsy> brb
18:38 <P4> place in your config lines like exec gnome or exec startkde or similiar
18:38 <rain_who> i do want xorg basic, not kde or gnome, none of them
18:38 <P4> the best way is exec xterm :}
18:39 <epsy> xorg basic is nothing
18:39 <P4> exec xterm then and run application from terminal window
18:39 <epsy> just a damn horrible-looking grid
18:39 <P4> and greate X mouse pointer :}
18:40 <epsy> ah yeah i forgot, and a cross cursor
18:40 <rain_who> well, i really dont mind about how it looks, i do need the fastest way to use desktop
18:41 <rain_who> how can i run natural xorg?
18:41 <P4> startx, but edit your rc file first
18:42 <luke-jr|work> rain_who: xorg by itself is just a static screen
18:42 <rain_who> where is it located?
18:42 <luke-jr|work> rain_who: no window borders, no taskbar, etc
18:42 <rain_who> luke: cannot i run programs from there?
18:42 <P4> rain_who: it's in your homedirectory, create one if it's misisng
18:42 <P4> `but i just forgote the name
18:43 <luke-jr|work> rain_who: nope
18:43 <rain_who> so, what is the use of it?
18:43 <luke-jr|work> it provides the windowing interface for KDE :p
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18:44 <akira_> greets
18:44 <akira_> drjoe are you awake?
18:44 <rain_who> so no way. anything lighter than kde?
18:44 <P4> rain_who: $HOME/xorg.conf
18:45 <luke-jr|work> rain_who: twm perhaps
18:45 <P4> create that file and place there a line: exec xterm (install xterm fisrt)
18:45 <luke-jr|work> if you want to go mad
18:45 <P4> then run startx (it should overwrite your default WM)
18:45 <P4> if your system starts in graphical mode, change runlevel to 2 
18:45 <rain_who> go mad?
18:46 <epsy> twm sux -.-
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18:46 <P4> twm is better than kde :}
18:46 <epsy> if you want a good and light wm, use E
18:46 <P4> yes, E pwns... but it's still under high developement :}
18:46 <rain_who> lol, who to trust
18:46 <epsy> me
18:47 <P4> rain_who: if you just need to work with as light as you can - choose startx with xterm (no WM)
18:47 <epsy> (which is pretty impossible to use
18:47 <P4> if you want some comfort, choose some lightweight WM
18:48 <P4> epsy: i worked for over 4 months using only xterm in X11 ;}
18:48 <P4> but yes, it is damn uncomfortable
18:48 <epsy> how do you switch window ?
18:48 <luke-jr|work> kde pwns
18:48 <rain_who> LOL!
18:48 <epsy> no, e pwns
18:48 <P4> what you mean? i got desktop with few windows there :} i could move one to see another :P
18:49 <P4> kde is for powerfull PCs
18:49 <epsy> P4, how do you even *move* a window ????
18:49 <P4> alt+lefclick+move 
18:49 <P4> :}
18:49 <P4> altgr (sorry) :}
18:49 <epsy> i tough it never worked
18:49 <luke-jr|work> e pwns as a letter in kde
18:49 <epsy> altgr ? lol
18:49 <P4> no no, leftalt is alt or altgr?
18:50 <epsy> normally you can drap a window with alt+move
18:50 <epsy> (left click move 
18:50 <P4> yes :}
18:50 <P4> it works without any WM :}
18:50 <epsy> :o
18:50 <rain_who> hm
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18:51 <luke-jr|work> it does?
18:51 <P4> afair it does
18:51 <epsy> luke-jr|work, try in kde
18:55 <luke-jr|work> epsy: I know it works in KDE
19:02 <vinavil> what about xfce?
19:04 <P4> vinavil: http://homepage.mac.com/sao1/fink/wmanagers.html
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20:17 <vinavil> xfce4 seems much better than gnome
20:25 <vinavil> #list
20:25 <armabot> vinavil: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
20:25 <vinavil> #help
20:25 <armabot> vinavil: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
20:25 <epsy> what do you want  for a command ?
20:25 <vinavil> i forgot the translation command :)
20:26 <epsy> #t fr en c'est cette commande
20:26 <armabot> epsy: Error: I tried to send you an empty message.
20:26 <epsy> pfft
20:26 <vinavil> LOL!
20:26 <vinavil> #t italian english francamente
20:26 <armabot> vinavil: Error: I tried to send you an empty message.
20:26 <vinavil> hm
20:27 <vinavil> #t
20:27 <armabot> vinavil: (translate <from-language> [to] <to-language> <text>) -- Returns <text> translated from <from-language> into <to-language>. Beware that translating to or from languages that use multi-byte characters may result in some very odd results.
20:27 <epsy> if you want a signle word i would recommend you this:
20:27 <vinavil> #t italian to english francamente
20:27 <vinavil> what?
20:28 <armabot> vinavil: Error: I tried to send you an empty message.
20:28 <epsy> http://www.sensagent.com/dictionnaires/
20:28 <vinavil> well, i would use "real" dictionary :)
20:28 <epsy> well, that one is *very* good i would say
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20:50 <epsy> *grmpf* i'm lost
20:51 <epsy> oh
20:51  * epsy seems to not remember about maprotation :o)
20:51 <P4> :}
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21:03 <Vanhayes> #tea
21:03 <armabot> Vanhayes: Fortress Café: Players (11/32): CTT|safarizone, CT×´nreal, endos, paul, Weissi, wT:r|Tµ¡kêr, [nrx], ~ X ~, ¦Ö¦Qico, °@msterdam°	sof, °°dmo
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22:01 <bushblows> hello
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22:24 <ghableska> #weather 50266
22:24 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 70.9°F (3:20 PM CDT on May 16, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 24%. Dew Point: 32.0°F. Pressure: 29.12 in 986.0 hPa (Rising). 
22:26 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: what?
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22:45 <Lucifer_arma> besides it being a pain in the ass and having a number of legal requirements?
22:47 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu83w-156034152127.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> quarterly meetings, state business requirements, etc
22:47 <Vanhayes> #weather saint john
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> if you're just one person and your income is below 100k, I wouldn't set up a corporation
22:48 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 39°F / 4°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.98in / 1015hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 5:00 PM ADT; Tonight - Rain. Amount 20 to 30 mm. Wind northeast 20 km/h gusting to 40. Low plus 2.; Thursday - Showers ending in the morning then cloudy. Amount 2 mm. Wind northeast 20 km/h becoming north 20 in the morning. High 7. UV (1 more message)
22:49 <Vanhayes> #more
22:49 <armabot> Vanhayes: index 3 or moderate. Thursday night..cloudy. 60 percent chance of showers overnight. Wind northeast 20 km/h becoming light in the evening. Low plus 3.; Friday - Periods of rain. High 9.;
23:09 <ghableska> #tea
23:09 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (6/32): $Ås¶uÂ	k3nNy.sO, hoop, ikono, Sithy, Tîfer, ©T¦¶3
23:09 <vinavil> i think im too sensitive for armagetron
23:10 <vinavil> teens haven't got heart
23:11 <vinavil> but i still cannot ignore
23:11 <vinavil> it is not in my human possibilities
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23:28 <ghableska> :o
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23:30 <_Sticky_> #tea
23:30 <armabot> _Sticky_: Fortress Café: Players (9/32): $Ås¶uÂ	angry n:, G5, hoop, KeY_3113, mr tickle, Mr. Big Pickle, Tîger, Wake, ~*SP*~oO.k3nNy
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