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Log from 2007-04-26:
--- Day changed Thu Apr 26 2007
00:05 <z-man> Course, there are still two other possible answers, where one outs you as a special geek sub-category. The other is the "correct" one, the one the picture creator wants you to see.
00:06 <z-man> My gaze immediately fell on the wrong one :) Darn.
00:06 <ghableska> wait, so what is the right answer?
00:06 <ghableska> Alpha Centauri
00:06 <ghableska> ?
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00:07 <z-man> As a psycho test, there is no correct answer, it's just that the answer you give tells us something about you.
00:07 <ghableska> heh, interesting
00:07 <z-man> the correct, intended star you should focus on is marked with small arrows and sits in the top right corner.
00:08 <ghableska> which star did you choose?
00:08 <z-man> Wolf 359.
00:08 <ghableska> ah
00:10 <z-man> And I'm pretty sure the original creator of the map wanted to to show precisely that, and that the map has been edited just now :)
00:11 <ghableska> haha
00:11  * ghableska dislikes mind games
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00:45 <Lucifer_work> oh no, I have a bad body chord :/
00:51 <Vanhayes> what is a body chord?
00:52 <GodTodd> opposite of a non-body chord?
00:52 <Vanhayes> #wiki "body chord"
00:52 <Vanhayes> #w "body chord"
00:52 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.30 seconds: Bebop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bebop>; Fender Jaguar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fender_Jaguar>; Cord Automobile - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cord_Automobile>; MIM-23 Hawk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki (2 more messages)
00:53 <GodTodd> #google "body chord"
00:53 <armabot> GodTodd: Search took 0.10 seconds: Soul Meets Body Chords by Death Cab For Cutie @ Ultimate-Guitar.Com: <http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/d/death_cab_for_cutie/soul_meets_body_crd.htm>; If We Are The Body Chords by Casting Crowns, www: <http://www.loveandtruthchurch.com/music/If%20We%20Are%20The%20Body.doc>; Quick Start Steps Getting Started Using Your PAC Mate *The minimum ...: (3 more messages)
00:53 <Lucifer_work> sorry, it's the chord that you wear under the jacket
00:53 <GodTodd> #google "body chord" + "fencing"
00:53 <armabot> GodTodd: Search took 0.10 seconds: Insignia and testing used gear - Fencing .Net Discussion: <http://www.fencing.net/forums/thread30203.html>; fencing box diagram - Fencing .Net Discussion: <http://www.fencing.net/forums/thread5423.html>; FRED: Fencing Tournament Info :: More Info: <http://askfred.net/Events/moreInfo.php?tournament_id=2025>; FRED: Fencing Tournament Info :: More Info: (2 more messages)
00:53 <Lucifer_work> it connects to the lame and the weapon
00:53 <Lucifer_work> you plug the body chord into the strip
00:54 <Lucifer_work> haha, that first result is a thread I started :)
00:55 <Lucifer_work> I'm following the instructions in that thread right now, but I forgot my test weight, so I'm waiting for the class to finish their test so I can go out there and get some weights
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00:56 <Vanhayes> weights as in exercise, or weights as in something else?
00:56 <Vanhayes> nothing else comes to mind, but im sure weights could mean something else
00:57 <Vanhayes> http://www.oscars.ca.tt/ <-- heh, I voted for Player 1 for all of those
00:57 <Lucifer_work> test weights
00:57 <ghableska> Vanhayes, what's that?
00:57 <Lucifer_work> you put a weight on the end of the foil to make sure the button depresses with the right amount of force
00:57 <Vanhayes> "tron oscars"
00:58 <ghableska> o_O
00:58 <Lucifer_work> the weight is measured in grams, and kg * 9.8 m/s/s = N
00:58 <Lucifer_work> vote Lucifer for Most Noobish!
00:58 <Vanhayes> lol, player 1 for everything
00:59  * Vanhayes notes that all of the people who are winning that are in clans
00:59 <ghableska> hmm
00:59 <ghableska> well, it lets you vote as many times as you want, so...
00:59 <Vanhayes> so which end do the weights go on?
01:00 <GodTodd> Most Sexiest? they don't teach english in canada either, do they?
01:00 <Lucifer_work> the pointy end
01:01 <ghableska> Lucifer_work, teaching Vanhayes how to fence? :p
01:01 <Lucifer_work> and it's looking like 2 of the foil body chords are bad
01:01 <Lucifer_work> :(
01:01 <Lucifer_work> ghableska: sure, why not?  ;)
01:01 <Vanhayes> nah, im taking up juggeling at the moment
01:01 <GodTodd> well...first you need a post-hole digger...
01:01 <ghableska> juggling...chainsaws?
01:01 <Vanhayes> is solar canadian?
01:02  * ghableska has seen that before
01:02 <Vanhayes> ghableska: ,aybe eventually
01:02 <ghableska> heh
01:02 <Vanhayes> I dont think ill start with it though :)
01:02 <ghableska> I learned how to juggle at school, of all places...
01:02 <GodTodd> nah...start with knives ;)
01:02 <ghableska> stupid PE unit
01:02 <Vanhayes> flaming chainsaw
01:03 <GodTodd> chainsaws can be gay?
01:03 <Vanhayes> heh, can they be straight?
01:03 <Lucifer_work> with vangaynus, anything's possible
01:03 <GodTodd> i thought they were straight
01:03 <Vanhayes> curved
01:04 <GodTodd> from motor to end is curved?
01:04 <Vanhayes> well, no but it curveas around in 2 places
01:04 <Vanhayes> curves*
01:04 <GodTodd> but overall, they're straight
01:05 <GodTodd> therefore, you cannot juggle flaming chainsaws :P
01:05 <Vanhayes> bah, its a chainsaw
01:05 <Vanhayes> ill juggle chainsaws that are on fire then
01:05 <GodTodd> that you can do
01:05 <Vanhayes> lol, no, but I can try to do it
01:05 <GodTodd> go ahead
01:06 <GodTodd> i'll wait here ;)
01:06 <GodTodd> let me know how it goes
01:06 <ghableska> heh
01:06 <Vanhayes> if i tried I doubt I'd have fingers left to type
01:06 <GodTodd> no self confidence, eh?
01:06 <GodTodd> heh
01:07 <GodTodd> better yet...have luke-jr show you how to juggle the chainsaws...
01:07 <Vanhayes> well it isnt updated right away
01:07 <Vanhayes> ya, that would be more entertaining
01:08 <GodTodd> assuming, of course, he could actually *lift* one ;)
01:09 <GodTodd> anyway...have i mentioned lately that i didn't have to take my chem course and that kinda pisses me off?
01:09 <GodTodd> heh
01:09 <Vanhayes> <GodTodd> looks like i didn't have to take this stupid chem class after all :/
01:09 <Vanhayes> I seem to recall something about that
01:10 <Vanhayes> if it is stupid why are you pissed you don't have to take it?
01:10 <GodTodd> cuz i'm finishing it up in 2.5 weeks
01:11 <ghableska> luke-jr, I voted for P1 numerous times :p
01:11 <Vanhayes> same
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01:12 <Vanhayes> hmm, I need to beat juggling 10 balls for 23 catches to beat the record
01:12 <GodTodd> is that 23 catches total or 23 catches of each ball?
01:12 <ghableska> 10 balls :o
01:12 <GodTodd> that's like....5 dudes
01:13 <Vanhayes> i think it is 23 total
01:13  * Vanhayes ignores the gay jokes
01:13 <GodTodd> it's gay that each dude has 2 balls?
01:14 <Vanhayes> no, but I felt one or two on the way
01:14  * ghableska resists saying "Vanhayes, you've got balls :)"
01:14 <GodTodd> bahahahahaha
01:14 <GodTodd> felt one or two balls on the way where?
01:14 <GodTodd> :D
01:15 <Vanhayes> had to rewrtie that line from "no, but I felt one or two coming"
01:15 <GodTodd> hahahahahahaha
01:15 <ghableska> >_<
01:16 <GodTodd> [18:18] <GodTodd> it's gay that each dude has 2 balls?
01:16 <GodTodd> [18:19] <Vanhayes> no, but I felt one or two on the way
01:16 <Vanhayes> er jokes, one or two jokes on the way
01:16 <GodTodd> suuuuuuure
01:16 <GodTodd> ;)
01:17 <Vanhayes> damni, i knew i forgot something
01:17 <ghableska> Vanhayes, it's just too easy ;)
01:17 <Vanhayes> bah, im going to go back to juggling
01:17 <GodTodd> why am i not surprised Vanhayes would take up juggling balls?
01:17 <GodTodd> O_o
01:18 <ghableska> O_o
01:18 <GodTodd> o_O
01:18 <Lucifer_work> yay, 2 working foil body chords, and 2 working epee body chords
01:18 <Vanhayes> meh, I got bored with devil sticks and hackeysacs so i moved on to juggling
01:18 <GodTodd> ditching jerking turkeys?
01:18 <Lucifer_work> are you going to juggle swords?
01:19  * Vanhayes still doesn't understand what a body chord is
01:19 <Lucifer_work> you'll notice he works with his hands mostly
01:19 <GodTodd> Lucifer_work: nah...he's juggling balls
01:19 <Lucifer_work> Vanhayes: you have a foil with a little button on the end, right?
01:19 <Vanhayes> well the next turkey jerk isnt for another month or 2
01:19 <Vanhayes> ok
01:19 <Lucifer_work> when that button presses, the circuit opens and the machine says "You hit something"
01:19 <GodTodd> notice Vanhayes's hobbies....turkey jerking, hackeySACS, devil STICKS, juggling BALLS
01:19 <Lucifer_work> when the metal button pushes against a lame, the machine says "you hit on target"
01:20 <GodTodd> come out of the closet already
01:20 <GodTodd> sheesh
01:20 <Lucifer_work> so under the guard is a little plug that you plug into a chord of some sort
01:20 <Lucifer_work> that chord goes under the jacket, along the arm, and down the torso, to stick out the back
01:20 <Lucifer_work> there it plugs into the lame, and has a little 3-prong plug that sticks out
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01:20 <Lucifer_work> that 3 prong plug plugs into the machine that handles the scoring
01:21 <Vanhayes> oh, I thought it was just a sword, didnt know it had sensors in it
01:21 <Lucifer_work> so the body chord, then, is that chord that runs along your arm and connects the foil, lame, and scroing machine
01:21 <Vanhayes> GodTodd: BAH
01:21 <Lucifer_work> ah, that's for electric fencing.  :)
01:21 <Lucifer_work> for non-electric fencing, you put 2 judges on each side to watch for hits
01:21 <Lucifer_work> no electric crap needed then
01:21 <Vanhayes> so do you use that for practice or against someone else?
01:21 <Vanhayes> er nvrm
01:22 <Vanhayes> answered it there
01:22 <Lucifer_work> you use it in competition mainly, but the AUstin Fencing club requires electric gear for their open fencing occasion
01:23 <Lucifer_work> if you're jus tpracticing 1 on 1, you either don't keep score, or you judge together and try not to argue
01:25 <Lucifer_work> yay, the foil works
01:25 <Lucifer_work> now that class needs to hurry up so I can get some weights
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01:58 <ghableska> #weather 50266
01:58 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 47.5°F (7:00 PM CDT on April 25, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 41.0°F. Windchill: 41.0°F. Pressure: 28.84 in 976.5 hPa (Falling).  Flood Watch in effect through Thursday morning... 
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03:12 <Vanhayes> #night
03:12 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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03:16 <ghableska> #weather 50266
03:16 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 47.7°F (8:20 PM CDT on April 25, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 41.0°F. Windchill: 41.0°F. Pressure: 28.86 in 977.2 hPa (Falling).  Flood Watch in effect through Thursday morning... 
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03:40 <Lucifer_work> #pingf
03:40 <Lucifer_work> #ping
03:40 <armabot> pong
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04:26 <Lucifer_work> hi there DrBlowTron
04:26 <DrJoeTron> fuck you in the butt Lucifer_work 
04:26 <DrJoeTron> ssappenin
04:26 <Lucifer_work> just about to clear out of here
04:27 <Lucifer_work> ok, I'm clearing out of here, bbiab
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04:43 <Stempo> it's morning somewhere!
04:44 <Stempo> O.o
04:44 <Stempo> GMT?
04:44 <Stempo> UTC?
04:44 <Stempo> UGT?????
04:45 <DrJoeTron> OH MY GOD JUST SHUT UP
04:45 <DrJoeTron> SHUT
04:45 <DrJoeTron> THE
04:45 <DrJoeTron> FUCK
04:45 <DrJoeTron> UP
04:46 <Stempo> :O
04:46 <Stempo> Supa Mista Magic Man!!!!
04:46 <Stempo> ...
04:46  * Stempo pokes Joe
04:46 <DrJoeTron> well it didnt
04:47  * Stempo pokes Joe
04:47 <Stempo> Joe you didn't wish me happy b-day!
04:47 <Stempo> on my b-day!
04:47 <Stempo> :(
04:48  * Stempo pokes Joe
04:49 <DrJoeTron> HAPPY BURFDAY
04:49 <Stempo> ^_^
04:49 <Stempo> yay!
04:49 <Stempo> ish
04:50 <Stempo> wow haven't seen Luci in forever
04:50 <DrJoeTron> he left jsut before you came
04:50 <Stempo> gets kinda lonely when no one puts you down every 10 minutes
04:50 <Stempo> he must have anticipated I was coming
04:50 <Stempo> !!!
04:51 <DrJoeTron> probably
04:51 <Stempo> I am?
04:51 <Stempo> can't argue that
04:51 <DrJoeTron> and you smell
04:52 <Stempo> like coconuts!
04:52 <Stempo> ^_^
04:52 <DrJoeTron> LIKE ROSES
04:52 <Stempo> :O
04:52 <DrJoeTron> dipped in poop
04:52 <Stempo> no
04:52 <Stempo> lol
04:52 <Stempo> how old is this poo?
04:52 <Stempo> couple seconds, minutes, hours days?
04:53 <DrJoeTron> its from a nursing home
04:53 <DrJoeTron> and buffalo
04:53 <Stempo> o
04:53 <Stempo> from a diaper?
04:53 <Stempo> is it all runny?
04:54 <DrJoeTron> it was in your butt too
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04:54 <Stempo> Lucifer!
04:54 <Stempo> Joe isn't doing your job very well
04:54 <DrJoeTron> #serverinfo Cage
04:54 <armabot> DrJoeTron: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “cage” at the moment, sorry.
04:54 <DrJoeTron> FUCK YOU
04:54 <Lucifer_arma> Stempo!
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> really?  What's he not doing that I normally do?
04:55 <Stempo> put me down ever 5 minutes
04:55 <Stempo> every*
04:55 <Stempo> he's not really good at it
04:56 <Lucifer_arma> maybe he forgot to take his medication
04:56 <Stempo> maybe
04:56 <DrJoeTron> maybe he forgot to punch Lucifer_arma in the face
04:57 <Lucifer_arma> s/forgot/didn't (because a fist isn't much against a sword)
04:57 <DrJoeTron> but a gun is!
04:57 <DrJoeTron> PLOW PLOW
04:57 <Lucifer_arma> you got that from CS:S, didn't you?
04:57 <DrJoeTron> pft
04:57  * Lucifer_arma drives joe over with his light cycle
04:57 <DrJoeTron> I'm not spidey
04:57 <DrJoeTron> i can barely stomach that game
04:58 <DrJoeTron> #serverinfo Cage
04:58 <armabot> DrJoeTron: The Lobster Cage: No online players.
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04:58 <Lucifer_arma> it's really bringing you down that your server isn't so busy anymore, isn't it?
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> (not a cheap shot, trying to be sympathetic)
05:01 <GodTodd> you all fucking suck donkey dick
05:06 <GodTodd> all
05:06 <GodTodd> especially joe
05:08 <GodTodd> here's one for spidey: http://images.thismight.be/offensive/uploads/2007/04/25/image/WANT.jpg
05:24  * Lucifer_arma watches the tumbleweed blow through the chatroom
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> does Iran have an alliance with Russia, by any chance?
05:27 <DrJoeTron> i think russia has an aliance who will buy anything off of them
05:29 <GodTodd> dunno...but russia is giving iran a lot of weapons and nuclear fuel
05:29 <GodTodd> so they don't hate them or anything
05:31 <GodTodd> well...selling at any rate
05:31 <DrJoeTron> yup
05:32 <DrJoeTron> pokemon?
05:32 <DrJoeTron> ok
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> something about Iran irks me
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> their whole "we're not building nukes" (but we probably really are) is starting to feel more and more like a feint
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> which would imply they've got something up their sleeves
06:14 <GodTodd> which is what the next president (in case of a repub victory) will use in an argument to invade
06:14 <GodTodd> s/in/as
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> no, that's the point of a feint
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> to draw a defense, such as an invasion of iraq
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> *iran
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> if we invade iran, where does the real attack come?  Does it happen in Iran itself?  Or does it come to LA?
06:26 <GodTodd> true...but i believe if the republicans win we'll end up in iran
06:26 <GodTodd> hell...bush might get us there before he leaves :/
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> I think it's a feint
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> I think Iran isn't really building nukes, and this is just an attempt to draw american troops into Iran
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> If we're still in Iraq and Afghanistan and we invade Iran, we'll be officially over-extended and our home territory will be wide open to just about anybody with tanks and jets
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> problem is, now that the USSR is gone, there isn't an obvious big enemy to point at, and I really don't think it's china
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it is just some crazy shit between north korea and Iran, and we'll just walk all over them
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> maybe NK is hoping to attract us into invading them, thinking it'll trigger a Chinese response
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, either I'm being really paranoid, or I'm going to finger Russia as the enemy
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> http://technocrat.net/d/2007/4/25/18790
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06:37 <GodTodd> well....russia is awfully resistant to that missile defense thingy
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06:40 <Lucifer_arma> russia also has a rule that the press has to paint the US as an enemy, and 50% of the news about russia must be positive
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> but all of that is good propaganda and may not actually be significant
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06:46 <GodTodd> true
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> maybe Iran just figures they've got better friends than Iraq, so we can't invade without a serious response besides just telling us "that's not nice!"
07:01 <GodTodd> well...they do....the russians
07:01 <GodTodd> they're not the USSR but they're not a walk over either
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> I think it's Putin
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> consider the feint-double-disengage :)
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> you stick your sword out at a person's chest, when they go to parry you whip it around and threaten from the other side of their sword
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> then when they go to parry, you whip back and lunge at the chest
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> I just asked myself who's the only world leader that has directly benefitted by this war on terror, has been in power since before the WTC attacks, and has the training and connections to actually pull it off
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> former KGB agent Putin is the one that answers the question
07:13 <GodTodd> yep
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> Russia's nuclear cooperation with Iran started after the WTC attacks, iirc
07:13 <GodTodd> i think the cold war is coming back ;)
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> and Putin has definitely strengthened his hold to a point where there's serious talk that he might break the constitution and get himself stuck more or less indefinitely in office
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> a war with the US would guarantee that, I think, provided the right propaganda campaign has occured...
07:14 <GodTodd> the bad part is that russia could give us a serious run
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> dude, I laid it all out right after the WTC attacks in an email to nick :)
07:14 <GodTodd> yeah...and putin would know how to spin propaganda
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> to defeat the US militarily, you have to do several things
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> 1.  Drag the US into 2 resource-sucking wars in remote areas of the world (relative to the US)
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> 2.  Invade
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07:16 <Lucifer_arma> but Russia can't just invade us, there has to be something else to make it work
07:16 <DrJoeTron> so I'm starting a new comic
07:16 <MrBougo> hello
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> because if they just invade us in a conventional manner, well, we've got NATO
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> and MrBougo isn't about to let us down in that scenario
07:16 <GodTodd> i think they might have someone expendable to the actual invasion
07:16 <MrBougo> sure Lucifer_arma
07:16 <GodTodd> do*
07:17 <MrBougo> they'll dig a tunnel under the pacific ocean
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> but what do they gain by it?
07:17 <MrBougo> and you'll get pwned
07:17 <GodTodd> i'm sure there's a lot to gain
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> well, if they do anything that invokes NATO, NATO will just go in through europe, problem solved
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> so they have to somehow hold NATO at bay
07:18 <GodTodd> what're nato's feelings on them funding iran?
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> nato is split.  Nobody objects to Iran having a legitimate nuclear power industry
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> and after the Iraq fiasco I dont' think we're going to be able to use our intelligence to gain support for an iran campaign
07:19 <GodTodd> heh....hung jury is about the best "keeping them at bay" stalemate you can get
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> even so, if we invade Iran, we won't be there to occupy, we'll just do what we did to iraq in 92.  Death and destruction followed by sanctions, but no occupation
07:20 <GodTodd> we don't have the people for a full occupation
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> that's the thing, if Russia were to actually invade us, that would invoke NATO without question
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> right, we're talking about a 2-4 week bombin campaign, pretty much
07:21 <GodTodd> but if they had someone else do it...someone they could detach from at a moments notice...that probably wouldn't
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07:21 <Lucifer_arma> well, North Korea is an easy answer to that, but not complete
07:21 <Bougo> hehe, my #ghab joke worked :D
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> see, if North Korea launches a nuke our way, Russia and China will go bitchslap them
07:22 <GodTodd> yeah...i don't think NK is the answer
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> but if they had someone large, let's say for example China, to do the invasion, Russia *could* invade to their west instead and take NATO on directly
07:23 <GodTodd> would they directly confront nato forces, though?
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> problem with that is China is too friendly to us.  I don't think they'd invade us, but they would seriously object, possibly with guns and missiles, if we were to interfere in their sphere of influence
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> well, Russia has problems with the Ukraine, and if they could tie up the US for long enough, they could probably credibly invade westward
07:24 <GodTodd> thing is...if you're powerful and take on a superpower....it's a hop skip and a jump to a world war
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> but Iran alone isn't enough to tie up the US, and while North Korea might be, any movement against NK would invoke China and Russia, and if we're careful, we get China and Russia on our side
07:25 <Bougo> politics is amazingly complicated
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> well, if we just simplify and assume China as the only military capable of invading the US, then we're talking world war anyway
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> Russia goes west, China goes east...
07:25 <GodTodd> truly
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> but China doesn't fit the mold, and there just isn't anybody else
07:26 <GodTodd> that we're aware of
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> unless I missed someone
07:26 <GodTodd> ;)
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> heh, maybe it's Antarctica :)
07:26 <GodTodd> fucking penguins
07:26 <GodTodd> kill em all
07:27 <Bougo> sounds like a good conclusion
07:27 <GodTodd> we need to just take over the world...then we don't have to worry about anyone invading
07:27 <GodTodd> heh
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07:28 <Lucifer_arma> I think Russia has plenty of incentive to go west with their army, and plenty to gain by it
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> the WTC attacks still don't make sense to me even as generic terrorist attacks without some real power behind them
07:30 <GodTodd> yeah...they might had there been followups
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> the guy that provided the "intelligence" that Al Qaeda and Iraq were in cohoots could easily have been a plant
07:30 <GodTodd> but as singular attacks they really did almost nothing
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> they just provoked a response, which is exactly what a feint is supposed to do
07:30 <GodTodd> yep
07:31 <GodTodd> not only that...it ended up causing us to stretch our military dangerously thin
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> Russia and China *have* both been building up militarily, and doing joint operations
07:32 <Bougo> i'm out
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> but China just doesn't make sense
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> bye Bougo
07:32 <Bougo> school time
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> take MrBougo with you, ok?
07:32 <Bougo> have a nice chat :p
07:32 <Bougo> yep :p
07:32 <Bougo> oh hes still there
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07:32 <Bougo> fixed
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07:33 <GodTodd> i dunno...i still don't trust china
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> I don't exactly trust china, I just don't see anything for them to gain
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> look, I don't think anybody thinks they can realistically occupy the US
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> as in military occupation
07:34 <GodTodd> but we also don't know what russia could be promising them
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> no, we don't
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> there is the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, which is viewed by some as a counter to NATO
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> but it's not a military alliance
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> is it possible that we're lying to ourselves about China's dependence on the US?
07:35 <GodTodd> very
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> a limited war makes sense, what doesn't make sense about that is that somebody would actually be planning a limited war that involves nato
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> but I could see China and Russia wanting a limited war that ends with Ukraine subjugated by Russia, nato pushed back to the west a ways, China gets Taiwan and Korea unifies under a communist satellite chinese government
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> Iran wants to do away with Israel, theoretically.  At least, that's what their idiot president says
07:38 <GodTodd> yep...and we've taken the "we won't let that happen *hinthint*" stance...which would indicate another stupid invasion
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> well, ok, where does Taiwan stand with the rest of NATO?  do you know?
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> because it could be US invades Iran, China invades Taiwan, US has two choices
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> we can a) let it go (which ends the conflict momentarily), or we can b) stretch ourselves even thinner by going into China
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> if we invade China without support of NATO, then Russia can sit back and watch for awhile
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> if we invade China with support of NATO, Russia attacks NATO and formalizes an alliance with China
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> mind you, NATO is currently at Russia's border, so it's not like they have to go far to attack nato
07:41 <GodTodd> right
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> if we let it go, China gets Taiwan and Russia still hasn't made their big play yet
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> maybe Russia is taking a gamble that because of US/Chinese relations, if we were involved in Iran when China took Taiwan, we'd ignore it rather than retaliate against China for it
07:44 <GodTodd> i think we'd *have* to ignore it because we wouldn't have the forces to do anything about it
07:44 <GodTodd> we'd denounce them for it, of course
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> or better yet, russia taking the gamble that we wouldn't ignore it, but China would think they had the opportunity to take Taiwan *thinking* we'd ignore it
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> so China doesn't have to be an active party, they just have to see the opening to take Taiwan without provoking an American response
07:45 <GodTodd> yep
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> right, we'd definitely have to talk trash about it
07:45 <GodTodd> we'd perhaps even appeal to nato for a response
07:45 <GodTodd> which would fall right into russia's hands
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> right, exactly
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> except that IRan's #1 trade partner happens to be Germany
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> and if we're too busy invading Iran to deal with China taking Taiwan, what's NATO's response going to be?  heh
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> and those same NATO members on Russia's border are going to be thinking if they stick up for Taiwan they could provoke a response from Russia
07:47 <GodTodd> yep
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> something tells me if we do anything with China that China doesn't provoke with a direct invasion, NATO's not going to help us
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> and if NATO doesn't help us, Russia has no need to do anything about it unless the US is their target and not Ukraine/Belarus/etc.
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, Russia could even help China so long as they don't hit US soil directly (or at least don't land troops, nato might let strategic bombing slide)
07:53 <GodTodd> yep
07:54 <GodTodd> thing is...the more of these little countries we invade the more we are the "big bad bully" and the more heroic will be the view of the government that takes us down a couple dozen notches
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> in the end, the western Roman empire was overran by barbarians :)
07:56 <GodTodd> yeah...we're not going to be the biggest boy on the block forever
07:56 <GodTodd> that's for sure
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> depends on where the taking down happens and how it happens
07:57 <GodTodd> yep...and russia is savvy enough to do it right
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> if we invade Iran while we're still in Iraq, I'd expect to see some serious terrorist attacks inside the US
08:00 <GodTodd> definitely
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> and then within 1-2 years, an actual invasion as whoever our enemy is is finally unmasked
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> we need to do a circle-parry in 4 while taking a step back :)
08:01 <GodTodd> heh
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> if Iran really is a feint, then I have to say there's a 70% chance of terrorist attacks linked to Iran and/or Iraq if the Democrats get their way and it looks like we start pulling out of Iraq
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> there's a 100% chance whoever's running the show will move to try to keep us in Iraq, but that 30% is meant to include possible actions that I'm not capable of dreaming up for whatever reason :)
08:04 <GodTodd> heh
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> if iran really is a feint, of course ;)
08:05 <GodTodd> basically...i don't see anything for us to gain by invading iran
08:06 <Lucifer_arma> if Iran pushes us too far, and we back down, we have plenty to lose
08:07 <GodTodd> but if we stand steady what do we lose?
08:07 <Lucifer_arma> nothing, but we're in a position right now where we have to invade if Iran keeps pushing us
08:07 <Lucifer_arma> because that's what "stand steady" means.  :/
08:08 <GodTodd> that's my fear...i think the machine's already in motion and can't be stopped without hitting the culmination or us losing face
08:08 <GodTodd> basically, we're past the point of no return
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> well, us losing face isn't disaster by itself, but losing face over Iran after we went into Iraq and after NK developed nukes would be pretty bad
08:09 <GodTodd> yep
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> and losing face over Iran also includes us invading them unilaterally like we did with IRaq and finding no nuke weapon program
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> if we lost that much face, China could just walk in and take Taiwan and say "Sanctions?  Do you really want to trash *your* economy?"
08:10 <GodTodd> yep
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> but then what?  So we don't invade Iran, we back down, and China takes Taiwan, then what?
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> Russia starts making actual noises to their west while China says "You Americans just sit and watch or we'll cause problems for you"
08:12 <GodTodd> as i said...i don't know that it really matters what we do at this point...we're effectively screwed
08:13 <GodTodd> heh
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> damn, why did we have to have that idiot?  I hope I'm just being paranoid.  :)
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08:13 <GodTodd> thing is...most paranoia is based in fact
08:13 <GodTodd> heh
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> the irony is that the only people who have ever actually accused me of being paranoid were in the process of sticking knives in my back (nick and amy)
08:15 <GodTodd> well...it's my experience that when someone tells you you're paranoid they're usually doing something that justifies your paranoia
08:16 <GodTodd> (my paranoia caught infidelity in its infancy...so i usually trust it) ;)
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08:29 <Lucifer_arma> yes, it all makes sense
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> if I'm right, then here's what will happen next:
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> if the Democrats succeed in pushing bush out of Iraq, and/or put their own President who pulls us out of Iraq, then before the pullout can actually happen,
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> there will be some serious terrorist attack on American soil
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> the money trail will lead to either Iraq or Iran, or maybe just Iran, but the end result will be that we invade Iran and stay in Iraq
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> then China will take Taiwan, and that's as far ahead as I'm willing to try to predict right now
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> but I think Russia's ultimate target is to reclaim the satellite governments they lost when the iron curtain fell
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> keeping in mind that Putin coming into power in Russia basically put the same old guys that were in power before the fall of communism back in power
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> it might even be that we stay in Iraq because it's the right move strategically
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> also, if I'm right, then some CIA analyst or 20 has already figured this out, and Bush's moves in eastern europe don't look so crazy
08:37 <GodTodd> true
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09:27 <Durka> #hello
09:27 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: "Hey! Who took the cork off my lunch??!" || -- W. C. Fields
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16:22 <MrBougo> hello
16:25 <digitx> salut
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16:26 <MrBougo> hello durdur
16:26 <digitx> sakzt
16:26 <digitx> salut
16:26 <MrBougo> :
16:26 <MrBougo> salut digitx
16:27 <digitx> cu
16:27 <MrBougo> :(
16:30 <Durka> :P
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17:43 <Durka> mornin ^_^
17:44 <Stempo> Mornin!
17:45 <Stempo> #lastseen 3dot
17:45 <armabot> Stempo: °¯°3dot °°¯ has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 0 days 11 hours 57 minutes ago.
17:47 <Durka> #lastseen 4dot
17:47 <Durka> :P
17:47 <armabot> Durka: °¯°¯ 4dot °¯°¯ has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 2 days 12 hours 14 minutes ago.
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17:52 <Stempo> Lucifer!
17:52 <Stempo> Todd!
17:52 <Stempo> x!
17:53 <Durka> Durka!
17:53 <Stempo> no one cares durka :P
17:53 <Stempo> jk
17:55 <Durka> #insult Stempo
17:55 <armabot> Stempo - You are nothing but a sheep-biting pile of beslubbering urine. 
17:56 <Stempo> lmao
17:56 <Stempo> jeez durk couldn't even think up one on your own?
17:56 <Stempo> :P
17:58 <Stempo> #lastseen Beanie
17:58 <armabot> Stempo: -=}ID< Beanie has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 0 days 12 hours 38 minutes ago.
17:59 <Stempo> #lastseen Genki
17:59 <armabot> Stempo: Genki has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 0 days 12 hours 28 minutes ago.
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18:17 <epsy> hi
18:17 <Stempo> mornin
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18:20 <epsy> #time
18:20 <armabot> epsy: 06:24 PM, April 26, 2007
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18:34 <epsy> wb
18:35 <epsy> Durka, http://durkadurkaland.com/tst4.php
18:35 <epsy> =P
18:35 <Durka> :P
18:35 <epsy> #luke_jr_work TST
18:35 <armabot> TST is obsolete
18:39 <Durka> lol
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19:39 <MrBougo> http://www.explosm.net/comics/879/ rofl
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19:52 <MrBougo> elo
20:04 <Lucifer_arma> #g 16.25 * 10.75
20:04 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:04 <Lucifer_arma> wtf?
20:04 <Lucifer_arma> #gcalc 16.25 * 10.75
20:04 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:04 <Lucifer_arma> #help g
20:04 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (g <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "google calc $*".
20:05 <MrBougo> #g 16,25  10,75
20:05 <armabot> MrBougo: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:05 <MrBougo> #g 16,25 * 10,75
20:05 <armabot> MrBougo: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:05 <MrBougo> wtf indeed
20:05 <MrBougo> #g 1*1
20:05 <armabot> MrBougo: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:05 <Lucifer_arma> #calc 16.25 * 10.75
20:05 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: The command "calc" is available in the Google and Math plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "calc".
20:05 <MrBougo> something's wrong
20:05 <Lucifer_arma> #Math calc 16.25 * 10.75
20:05 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 174.6875
20:05 <MrBougo> :p
20:05 <Lucifer_arma> probably not getting the google feed
20:05 <MrBougo> yup
20:05 <MrBougo> #help math
20:05 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: There is no command "math".
20:05 <Lucifer_arma> #list Math
20:05 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: base, calc, convert, icalc, rpn, and units
20:05 <MrBougo> #list math
20:05 <armabot> MrBougo: base, calc, convert, icalc, rpn, and units
20:05 <MrBougo> aw
20:06 <Lucifer_arma> #alias add mcalc "math calc $*"
20:06 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
20:06 <Lucifer_arma> #mcalc 5 + 3 - 1
20:06 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 7
20:06 <MrBougo> you rock
20:06 <MrBougo> i mean armabot
20:06 <Lucifer_arma> right, I suck
20:06 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, what was the answer again?  ;)
20:06 <MrBougo> well
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20:07 <Lucifer_arma> 174.68
20:07 <MrBougo> you rock a bit less than armabot
20:07 <Lucifer_arma> #google google web services
20:07 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Search took 0.10 seconds: Web service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_service>; Web Services: <http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/>; Web Service Definition Language (WSDL): <http://www.w3.org/TR/wsdl>; Web Services and Other Distributed Technologies: <http://msdn.microsoft.com/webservices/>; Java Web Services At a Glance: (2 more messages)
20:07 <Lucifer_arma> well, google's web api is still responding at least
20:08 <Lucifer_arma> I guess I may as well submit my timesheet, since I won't be working again until monday and the pay period ends saturday
20:09 <Lucifer_arma> nah, I'll wait and do it saturday
20:11 <MrBougo> bye
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20:20 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/SSOAN/polygon/regular/efmap-0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by SSOAN
20:38 <Lucifer_arma> well, today is the 21st anniversary of the Chernobyl disaster
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22:06 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: that means happy anniversary to you then, eh? :)
22:07 <Lucifer_arma> yep.  :)  11 years
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22:08 <GodTodd> only little over 3 for me 
22:08 <GodTodd> heh
22:11 <epsy> cya
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23:25 <ghableska> #weather 50266
23:25 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 55.2°F (4:25 PM CDT on April 26, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 41.0°F. Pressure: 28.77 in 974.2 hPa (Rising). 
23:25 <ghableska> :D
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