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Log from 2007-03-04:
--- Day changed Sun Mar 04 2007
00:03 <madmax|pt> Vanhayes: did you mentioned that "getting the slot" issue in here?
00:09 <madmax|pt> the thing is, in Café there's 32 slots, but only 9vs9 players are allowed. Shouldnt the first one to get there get the first slot available?
00:13 <luke-jr_> what do you think of using Elo's rating system for Arma?
00:13 <wrtlprnft> is it only 9v9?
00:13 <madmax|pt> er, i think x_X
00:14 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i see
00:14 <wrtlprnft> I raised it to 10v10
00:14 <wrtlprnft> madmax|pt: post it on the arma forums… z-man-work is the one who probably knows if it's fixable
00:15 <madmax|pt> ok
00:15 <luke-jr_> hm
00:15 <luke-jr_> according to Elo's scoring...
00:15 <luke-jr_> wizzee and spidey have the lowest ranks on the FA serve
00:15 <luke-jr_> :o
00:16 <madmax|pt> "...calculating the relative skill levels of players in two-player games."
00:17 <luke-jr_> for scoring purposes, Arma is 2 player :p
00:17 <luke-jr_> for each kill, there is a single winner and single loser
00:18 <madmax|pt> good point
00:20  * madmax|pt watches Little Miss Sunshine
00:22 <zman> ahh, nice, it cleared up just in time :)
00:23 <madmax|pt> zman: take a look ↑
00:24 <zman> at maz's second picture? Bah, looks better in reality :)
00:25 <madmax|pt> er, no, this: " in Café there's 32 slots, but only 9vs9 players are allowed. Shouldnt the first one to get there get the first slot available?"
00:25 <wrtlprnft> zman: yeah, here, too
00:26 <wrtlprnft> and I got a photo, too :)
00:28 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/lunareclipse.jpg
00:29 -!- Durka [n=Durka@cpe-76-167-238-228.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron
00:29 <Durka> #hello
00:29 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: Vulcans never bluff. || -- Spock, "The Doomsday Machine", stardate 4202.1
00:30 <zman> wrtlprnft: darn nice.
00:31 <zman> on the slot issue: I think players join randomly, but I'm not sure. If it's fixable, it's already fixed, that issue already came up on bugfarm,
00:31 <wrtlprnft> err, this server is running the latest 0.2.8 branch
00:32 <wrtlprnft> MaZuffeR: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=147791#147791
00:32 <wrtlprnft> post yours :D
00:32 <luke-jr_> anyone have any long term ladderlog.txt?
00:32  * luke-jr_ doesn't have a camera
00:33 <wrtlprnft> 19M enough?
00:33 <luke-jr_> sure
00:33 <wrtlprnft> you already have access to it
00:33 <luke-jr_> ...
00:33 <wrtlprnft> ~armagetronad/cafe/var/ladderlog.txt
00:33 <luke-jr_> where?
00:34 <wrtlprnft> on my server, obviously
00:34 <luke-jr_> dunno it
00:34 <wrtlprnft> x_X
00:34 <wrtlprnft> you ran your 500 or so player server on it
00:34 <luke-jr_> I started it and forgot
00:36 <wrtlprnft> ssh luke-jr@wrtlprnft.servegame.org
00:36 <wrtlprnft> assuming you have your private key
00:36 <luke-jr_> scp wrtlprnft.servegame.org:'~armagetronad/cafe/var/ladderlog.txt' .
00:36 <wrtlprnft> but be nice and use -l
00:36 <luke-jr_> -l?
00:36 <wrtlprnft>      -l limit
00:36 <wrtlprnft>          Limits the used bandwidth, specified in Kbit/s.
00:36 <luke-jr_> o
00:36 <luke-jr_> too late
00:36 <luke-jr_> >_<
00:37 <luke-jr_> it's almost done
00:37 <luke-jr_> armagetron : -227.649468823
00:37 <luke-jr_> |x|_infamous : -224.362585229
00:37 <luke-jr_> |x|skip_<3 : -167.853453172
00:37 <luke-jr_> bottom 3 Elo scores
00:38 <luke-jr_> spoon3d : 15.0909242399
00:38 <luke-jr_> tricksta3 : 16.060936609
00:38 <luke-jr_> snowingcat : 18.8185130016
00:38 <luke-jr_> top 3
00:38 <luke-jr_> mazuffer : -136.399661091
00:38 <luke-jr_> dookatee_|dpg| : -116.433875365 ( mkzelda )
00:38 <luke-jr_> |/|epsy : -115.663698756
00:38 <luke-jr_> lackadaisical : -85.7883454141
00:38 <wrtlprnft> maybe ct's ladderlog would be more helpful
00:39 <Durka> what is this...
00:39 <luke-jr_> madmax : -80.2774655988 ( madmax|pt )
00:39 <wrtlprnft> as it's got a hack so it doesn't log in singleplayer mode
00:39 <luke-jr_> maybe
00:39 <luke-jr_> kk~epsy : -73.203626135
00:39 <luke-jr_> -|ct|-ed- : -71.6983825529
00:39 <madmax|pt> o_O
00:39 <wrtlprnft> but you'll have to ask ed for it, I don't think he'd want me to give it to everyone
00:39 <Durka> ive got 60mb ladderlog if u want :P
00:39 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft_|mbc| : -66.5024131112
00:39 <luke-jr_> Durka: sure
00:39 <Durka> but why do u need it ...
00:39 <Durka> i mean what are u looking for
00:40 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: can you actually tell us what the scores mean?
00:40 <luke-jr_> they're supposed to be a measure of skill
00:40 <luke-jr_> higher is better
00:40 <luke-jr_> ghableska : -35.8974898277
00:40 <Durka> is the bot the best?
00:40 <luke-jr_> worst
00:40 <Durka> lol
00:41 <luke-jr_> emacs : -28.1412881153
00:41 <luke-jr_> O.o
00:41 <luke-jr_> vanhayes : -24.6595275975
00:41 <luke-jr_> durka_123 : -24.0471172842
00:41 <Vanhayes> uh
00:41 <Durka> !
00:41 <Vanhayes> what?
00:41 <luke-jr_> belenus : -17.5184676556
00:41 <wrtlprnft> higher is better?
00:41 <luke-jr_> yep
00:41 <Durka> where are u getting these numbers
00:42 <luke-jr_> flea_|dpg| : -16.3391482473
00:42 <luke-jr_> my script
00:42 <Durka> they arent in my ladderlog -.-
00:42 <wrtlprnft> -227 > -66
00:42 <Durka> no
00:42 <luke-jr_> -227 < -66
00:42 <wrtlprnft> does that mean /me is better than infamous?
00:42 <Durka> -66>-227
00:42 <luke-jr_> hyphy : -15.1296364024
00:42 <Durka> it means infamous is the worst human player
00:42 <Vanhayes> is this for fort cafe?
00:42 <wrtlprnft> yeah
00:42 <Durka> luke wtf kinda script it this
00:43 <Durka> at least make it not negative
00:43 <zman> emacs is a real player, FYI :)
00:43 <luke-jr_> ah
00:43 <luke-jr_> {usa}_legit : -7.58211363338
00:43 <wrtlprnft> fortress servers only know of armagetron and in some cases gltron
00:43 <Vanhayes> im so confused, what does -24.6595275975 mean?
00:43 <luke-jr_> [tm]_legit : -7.53343489452
00:43 <wrtlprnft> as bots
00:43 <luke-jr_> you know, this PROBABLY doesn't work for Fortress :p
00:43 <luke-jr_> or any team game
00:44 <Durka> want my log?
00:44 <luke-jr_> sure
00:44 <Durka> its single player...
00:44 <luke-jr_> luke-jr : 4.93226854922
00:44 <luke-jr_> :D
00:44 <Durka> luke im gonna put it online then take it down after a while
00:44 <Durka> first lemme get the latest one
00:45 <Durka> 62.15 mb o_O
00:46 <wrtlprnft> #echo $randomnick : [math calc abs([echo $randomint])].[math calc abs([echo $randomint])][math calc abs([echo $randomint])]
00:46 <armabot> z-man-work : 186 . 496 831
00:46 <wrtlprnft> #echo $randomnick : [math calc abs([echo $randomint])].[math calc abs([echo $randomint])][math calc abs([echo $randomint])]
00:46 <armabot> j0h4nn3s : 699 . 286 393
00:46 <luke-jr_> haha
00:46 <wrtlprnft> i can do at least as good stats as luke-jr_!
00:46 <wrtlprnft> *my stats are at least as good as
00:46 <madmax|pt> lol
00:46 <luke-jr_> |fa|"spidey" : -27.362501821
00:46 <luke-jr_> spidey : -11.2563947507
00:47 <luke-jr_> spidey_|mbc| : -3.24607469437
00:47 <luke-jr_> z-man : -4.14501125403
00:47 <luke-jr_> z-man_on_vista : 0.886125583278
00:47 <ghableska> wow, wrtlprnft
00:47 <ghableska> nice picture :)
00:47 <luke-jr_> but like I said, these are pretty irrelevant for fortress :p
00:47 <ghableska> it looks like mars
00:47 <zman> woot, I played better on vista than regularly?
00:47  * wrtlprnft cheated and used a tripod
00:47 <Durka> z-man_on_vista
00:47 <luke-jr_> lol
00:47 <luke-jr_> zman: apparently
00:47 <Durka> z-man_on_crack
00:48 <luke-jr_> Durka: same thing
00:48 <Durka> o_O
00:48 <wrtlprnft> but no color modifications, the picture came straight from my camera's SD card
00:48  * zman thinks about reinstalling it
00:48 <luke-jr_> zman: keep in mind you probably didn't play long
00:48 <luke-jr_> so it is less accurate
00:48  * Durka thinks of stealing zman's copy
00:48 <zman> it's only a beta
00:48 <wrtlprnft> the stats should at least include some factor of log(played_rounds)
00:48 <luke-jr_> why?
00:49 <luke-jr_> chess doesn't :p
00:49 -!- wejp_ [n=j@i577B81B5.versanet.de] has joined #armagetron
00:49 <luke-jr_> (Elo was invented for chess)
00:49 <wrtlprnft> wtf is elo?
00:49 <wrtlprnft> nvm
00:49 <wrtlprnft> wikipedia is faster than you
00:50 <luke-jr_> wikipedia is where I got it :p
00:52  * luke-jr_ offsets the scores by 250
00:53  * luke-jr_ waits for Durka 
00:53 <Durka> o ya sry lol
00:53 <Durka> gotta upload it
00:54 <luke-jr_> Delicious Desserts:
00:54 <luke-jr_> luke-jr : 250.467
00:54 <Durka> lol
00:54 <luke-jr_> {dd}_darkchaos : 212.723
00:55  * luke-jr_ liked it better w/o the offset
00:55  * luke-jr_ undo
00:55 <luke-jr_> excel : 42.993
00:55 <luke-jr_> I hope that's not the bot (top DD score)
00:55 <luke-jr_> DD ranges from -149.35 to +42.993
00:57 <Vanhayes> what is the scoring based on?
00:57 <zman> I think the IPs are also logged in ladderlog.txt, so you can check whether it's the bot or not.
00:58 <zman> It may even be, excel kicks my but every time :)
00:58 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: kills?
00:58 <luke-jr_> it is the bot
00:58 <Vanhayes> lol
00:59  * zman yawns and crawls into bed.
00:59 <Durka> luke this isnt the scorelog
00:59 <Durka> which one did u want -.-
01:02 <Durka> ?
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01:03 <Vanhayes> <Durka> luke this isnt the scorelog
01:03 <Vanhayes> <Durka> which one did u want -.-
01:04 <luke-jr_> ...
01:04 <Durka> <Vanhayes> <Durka> luke this isn't the scorelog
01:04 <Durka> do u want ladderlog or scorelog?
01:04 <luke-jr_> ...
01:05 <luke-jr_> ladderlog
01:05 <Durka> k
01:05 <Durka> it doesnt record kills does it?
01:05 <Durka> iunno w/e
01:05 <Durka> i just use it for ips :D
01:05 <luke-jr_> yes
01:08 <Durka> heh look what epsy did
01:08 <Durka> heres my lame sig i made
01:08 <Durka> http://durka.freehostia.com/images/sig/durka.gif
01:08 <Durka> then epsy made it with me inside the tron cycle
01:08 <Durka> http://durka.freehostia.com/files/durka_162.jpeg
01:08 <Durka> xD
01:09 <Durka> but then here's the final one :P
01:09 <Durka> http://durka.freehostia.com/files/smalldurka_166.gif
01:12 <Durka> almost done uploading luke-jr_ 
01:16 <wrtlprnft> why do you upload something just for luke-jr_ to download it again once?
01:17 -!- zman [n=manuel@p508725E8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)]
01:17 <wrtlprnft> on your image the front wheel should turn quite a bit faster than the rear one
01:22  * luke-jr_ pokes Durka 
01:22 <Durka> oops
01:22 <Durka> quit the wrong program xD
01:23 <Durka> i didnt make it wrtlprnft 
01:23 <luke-jr_> not to mention it's goin slow
01:25 <wrtlprnft> not to mention that more than 200 KiB is a bit huge for a signature image
01:25 <wrtlprnft> and not to mention that 266 px is a bit huge as well
01:25 <wrtlprnft> height, that is
01:26 <luke-jr_> omg
01:26 <luke-jr_> TuI is a clan
01:26 <wrtlprnft> o rly?
01:27 <luke-jr_> http://tui.freehostia.com/viewtopic.php?t=4
01:27 <luke-jr_> "we fit the exact description for a clan, but we're not, honest!'
01:27 <ghableska> suuuree
01:27 <Durka> luke
01:27 <Durka> we just had a 30 post topic on that
01:27 <Durka> i erased them all
01:27 <Durka> that about us is wrong
01:28 <Vanhayes> its sort of like AW was
01:28 <Durka> i never got around to deleting it
01:28 <Durka> ya
01:28 <Durka> we're like aw ss ws etc
01:28 <luke-jr_> if there is a member list, it's a clan
01:28  * wrtlprnft loves thease huge ugly smileys
01:29 <Durka> ...
01:29 <wrtlprnft> with 1-bit transparency showing all the way on a dark background
01:30 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/nicedesign1.png
01:30 <wrtlprnft> that's a saddie!
01:31 <Durka> is that my smilie?
01:31 <luke-jr_> should I use a % for score?
01:31 <wrtlprnft> you used it
01:31 <wrtlprnft> gah
01:31 <luke-jr_> like 0% = lowest scoring player
01:31 <luke-jr_> and 100% = highest
01:31 <wrtlprnft> percentages suck
01:31 <luke-jr_> ...
01:31 <wrtlprnft> use [0;1]
01:31 <luke-jr_> wtf is that
01:31 <wrtlprnft> an interval?
01:31 <luke-jr_> ...
01:32 <luke-jr_> 0.01 is uglier than 1%
01:32 <wrtlprnft> the set of all real numbers greater or equal than 0 and smaller or equal than 1
01:32 <wrtlprnft> .1 is more beautiful than 10 * 100^(-1)
01:33 <luke-jr_> yay
01:33 <luke-jr_> durka learns to scp
01:33 <wrtlprnft> what about an integer in [00;FF]?
01:33 <Durka> ftw!
01:33 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: ok
01:36 <wrtlprnft> #night
01:36 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
01:37 <luke-jr_> Durka: what's the log for
01:37 <Durka> #serverinfo D u r
01:37 <armabot> Durka: ¬| D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d  | ¬: Players (11/16): $oUr lEmOn, $up3r T0mato3s!, (mvp)_DUKE, CT|Genki, Dal, FLASH, Grguitarfreek, jfacas_Portugal, KiX, Rikuno, THump
01:37 <Durka> luke-jr_:  ^^^
01:38 <Durka> but the first 1/6 or so was when it was 4 team fortress
01:38 <Durka> thats why some fort ppl are still high on the won rounds and matches
01:38 <Durka> http://durka.freehostia.com/stats.php
01:39 <Durka> infamous is #12 on won matches still lol
01:39 <luke-jr_> it's taking a long time to process x.x
01:39 <luke-jr_> there
01:40 <luke-jr_> xstatic : -208.503 / 0x0 / 0%
01:40 <luke-jr_> that's the lowest score :p
01:40 <Durka> go to the highest!
01:40 <luke-jr_> su_nena_plaboy : 66.5213 / 0xff / 100%
01:40 <Durka> whats the 0xblah
01:41 <luke-jr_> same as 100%, but from 00 to ff
01:41 <luke-jr_> dax : -40.9959 / 0x9b / 60.91%
01:41 <Durka> lol
01:41 <Durka> dax is #1 on ladder
01:41 <luke-jr_> coffee : -138.2333 / 0x41 / 25.55%
01:41 <luke-jr_> yeah
01:41 <Durka> #2
01:41 <luke-jr_> they must pick on n00bs
01:41 <luke-jr_> static : -67.0473 / 0x83 / 51.43%
01:41 <Durka> dax = {wt}custang = bana
01:41 <Durka> = n00b
01:42 <luke-jr_> {wpn}.durka : -34.7735 / 0xa1 / 63.17%
01:42 <luke-jr_> !lol!.durka : -32.6181 / 0xa3 / 63.95%
01:42 <luke-jr_> omgdurka : -30.6753 / 0xa4 / 64.66%
01:42 <Durka> wtf!
01:42 <luke-jr_> durka : -5.9862 / 0xbb / 73.64%
01:42 <Durka> i meant ftw
01:42 <luke-jr_> durka-brb : -2.1832 / 0xbf / 75.02%
01:42 <luke-jr_> !lol!durka : -1 / 0xc0 / 75.45%
01:42 <Durka> luke: go have a look at the ladder log itself
01:42 <luke-jr_> durka_durka : 0.447 / 0xc1 / 75.98%
01:42 <luke-jr_> durka_admin : 0.4878 / 0xc1 / 75.99%
01:42 <Durka> count how many aliases i have used
01:42 <luke-jr_> "|_|"durka"|_|" : 0.6715 / 0xc1 / 76.06%
01:42 <Durka> some arent me
01:42 <luke-jr_> son_of_durka : 8.7904 / 0xc9 / 79.01%
01:43 <luke-jr_> that's top durka :p
01:43 <Durka> like durka_admin or durka_durka or son_of_durka
01:43 <luke-jr_> a:_luke-jr_>nc : -3.111 / 0xbe / 74.68%
01:44 <luke-jr_> z-man : -3.7905 / 0xbd / 74.43%
01:44 <luke-jr_> z-man-work : 0.4984 / 0xc1 / 75.99%
01:44 <luke-jr_> dmass : 38.7426 / 0xe5 / 89.9%
01:44 <luke-jr_> su_nena_plaboy : 66.5213 / 0xff / 100%
01:44 <luke-jr_> that's curious
01:45 <luke-jr_> su_nena_plaboy looks pretty good
01:46 <luke-jr_> yojimbo : -96.2036 / 0x68 / 40.83%
01:46 <luke-jr_> nemostultae : -2.1996 / 0xbf / 75.01% ( [dlh] )
01:46 <luke-jr_> ghableska : -6.4475 / 0xbb / 73.47%ghableska : -6.4475 / 0xbb / 73.47%
01:46 <luke-jr_> oops
01:47 <luke-jr_> madmax : -4.3803 / 0xbd / 74.22%
01:47 <madmax|pt> gah
01:47 <luke-jr_> mazuffer : -81.7902 / 0x75 / 46.07%
01:47 <Durka> http://Luke-jr_.justgotowned.com/
01:48 <luke-jr_> dookatee_|dpg| : -39.0535 / 0x9d / 61.61% ( mkzelda )
01:48 <luke-jr_> Unknown host luke-jr_.justgotowned.com
01:48 <luke-jr_> vanhayes : -24.5358 / 0xaa / 66.89%
01:48 <ghableska> Durka: lol
01:48 <luke-jr_> wejp : -2.4395 / 0xbf / 74.93%
01:48 <Vanhayes> I was on durka durka land?
01:48 <luke-jr_> lol
01:48 <Durka> http://ghableska.justgotowned.com/
01:48 <madmax|pt> does all your scripts print the output to irc?
01:49 <Durka> Vanhayes: same server as the old 4 team fortress
01:49 <luke-jr_> madmax|pt: I selectively copy parts
01:49 <Durka> http://ghableska.justgotowned.com/
01:49 <luke-jr_> the full thing is huge
01:49 <Durka> oops
01:49 <madmax|pt> what the hex?
01:49 <madmax|pt> and the %?
01:49 <luke-jr_> a hex-percentage
01:49 <luke-jr_> 0% = low score; 100% = top score
01:52 <Durka> #lastseen meriton
01:52 <Durka> where's he been btw?
01:52 <luke-jr_> sl(meriton) : -77.67 / 0x79 / 47.57%
01:52 <Durka> besides in my logs -.-
01:52 <luke-jr_> :p
01:53 <armabot> Durka: timed out
01:54 <Vanhayes> #seen meriton
01:55 <armabot> Vanhayes: meriton was last seen in #armagetron 19 weeks, 4 days, 5 hours, 59 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <meriton> hi
01:55 <Durka> thats a long time ago
01:56 <Durka> #g 19*7
01:56 <armabot> Durka: 19 * 7 = 133
01:56 <madmax|pt> are those logs from Durka land? or something else?
01:56 <luke-jr_> yes
01:56 <Durka> ya
01:57 <Durka> they include the old 4 team fort server
01:57 <Vanhayes> maybe thats why im on them
02:00 <spidey> luke-jr_, ping
02:00 <spidey> where's egnlish_base.txt on the server?
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02:08 <luke-jr_> spidey: locate it
02:10 <Durka> lol
02:10 <spidey> ...
02:10 <spidey> i'm not logged into a terminal
02:11 <luke-jr_> neither am I
02:11 <luke-jr_> :p
02:12 <spidey> btw
02:12 <spidey> im
02:12 <spidey> now
02:12 <spidey> :|
02:12 <luke-jr_> ...
02:12 <spidey> it's not showing you again :/
02:13 <spidey> #fa
02:13 <spidey> #fallin-angels
02:13 <spidey> or w/e
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02:13 <spidey> luke-jr_, join
02:13 <Lucifer_arma> well, we had clouds screwing up the eclipse
02:13 <Lucifer_arma> and it didn't look any different anyway
02:13 <luke-jr_> hm
02:14 <luke-jr_> is it time to look now?
02:15 <Your_mom_arma> the eclipse was more or less over by the time the moon was visable
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02:16 <Durka> only 5:16 here
02:16 <Durka> #lastseen sebol
02:17 <armabot> Durka: timed out
02:18 <Durka> -.-
02:22 <luke-jr_> so it's over...
02:22 <luke-jr_> ?
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02:25 <Lucifer_arma> so much for "visible all over the earth"
02:25 <Your_mom_arma> haha
02:34 <madmax|pt> #serverdetails bistro
02:35 <armabot> madmax|pt: 1v1 Sumo Bistro: Players (3/4): Ethron, Lackadaisical, ~*SP*~PsYkO
02:39 <Van-hayes> cool i went up a class
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02:40 <Your_mom_arma> huh?
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02:40 <Van-hayes> http://www.kingsofthegrid.net/forum/index.php
02:41 <Van-hayes> hmm, ya that was a little vague
02:41 <Durka> i would be class b i think
02:41 <Durka> but i lost to max -.-
02:41 <Durka> i have 158 and class b starts 165
02:42 <Van-hayes> poor killer rabbit
02:44 <Durka> lol
02:44 <mkzelda> sup
02:44 <Durka> hes ranked below the ppl that havent played
02:44 <mkzelda> so who we playing first tomorrow?
02:44 <Durka> freakz
02:44 <mkzelda> is that t.f.
02:45 <mkzelda> anyone not showing?
02:45 <mkzelda> for us
02:46 <mkzelda> i dont know what I did but SP and NC folk keep kicking me from servers either as soon as I join, or if its a team server, they run into me and say i tk'd them
02:46 <Durka> lol
02:47 <Durka> Wiki says: Team 1 is... The FreakZ (Wayne, Xevi, Sunnygirl, Freako, PTA, Cruz, Slayer, Plage, Slurm)
02:47 <mkzelda> and the 'locals' on ct dont know any better
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02:47 <mkzelda> i only recognize xevi, sunnygril, and cruz
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02:47 <mkzelda> oh and slayer
02:47 <Durka> wb
02:47 <mkzelda> first 3 are pretty good
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02:48 <mkzelda> what are the rules these days... 8 the limit, or no?
02:48 <mkzelda> cause thats 9
02:49 <Durka> 8 is the limit
02:49 <Durka> who's Wayne?
02:49 <Durka> and xevi hasnt been on in forever
02:49 <mkzelda> i've seen him this week
02:49 <Durka> #lastseen x3v1
02:50 <armabot> Durka: CT×X3V1 has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 1 days 10 hours 4 minutes ago.
02:50 <mkzelda> ya
02:50 <Durka> nvr mind then xD
02:50 <mkzelda> ive seen cruz def a lot lately
02:50 <mkzelda> and he constantly leaves some easy gaps
02:50 <mkzelda> wonder who def will be
02:51 <Durka> freako said he will
02:51 <Durka> and i love his def
02:51 <Durka> in terms of easiness :D
02:52 <mkzelda> sunnygirl is a decent def
02:52 <luke-jr_> need maths help!
02:52 <luke-jr_> http://math.bu.edu/people/mg/glicko/glicko2.doc/img21.gif
02:52 <luke-jr_> wtf does that mean?
02:53 <Durka> Team 4 is... Team SS (newbÍe, Pez, MaZuffeR, pavelo, Lackadaisical, nemostultae, ...)
02:53 <Durka> scary team ^^^
02:53 <mkzelda> ya
02:54 <Durka> Team 2 is... TuI (Crack, Downstem, Kush, Keta, X, GHß, Ossi, Fcuk, eh?, 2i ... )
02:54 <Durka> scarier ^^^
02:54 <Durka> :p
02:54 <mkzelda> :D
02:54 <Your_mom_arma> never seen anyone besides ossi from team 2
02:55 <ghableska> is fcuk featherfcuk?
02:55 <mkzelda> x sub zero as it approaches the limit of a
02:56 <mkzelda> ghableska: yea
02:58 <mkzelda> so what time tomorrow?
02:59 <mkzelda> im looking at the competition hub
02:59 <mkzelda> cant seem to find the right link on it
02:59 <mkzelda> i see 8th ladle, cant find the 9th
03:00 <Durka> 7:30pm GMT
03:01 <luke-jr_> ugh!
03:01 <luke-jr_> this algo is complex
03:01 <mkzelda> thats diff
03:01 <mkzelda> 2:30 EST then?
03:01 <Durka> ya
03:01 <mkzelda> ok
03:02 <Durka> madmax|pt: who won
03:10 <[dlh]> the ← does not mean limit… that would be lim x -> x0 (with the x -> x0 expression being under the the lim)
03:17 <luke-jr_> what is 'ln'?
03:17 <[dlh]> the natural log.
03:18 <luke-jr_> grr, division by zero
03:19 <luke-jr_> in the part I don't understand :(
03:20 <Durka> ln = log e (e) IIRC
03:20 <Durka> probably wrong though
03:30 <Durka> #luke
03:32 <Durka> #ping
03:32 <armabot> pong
03:32 <madmax|pt> ?
03:32 <madmax|pt> against psyko?
03:34 <[dlh]> if you're interested, the ← in haskell would mean “do { x <- foo; … } == foo >>= \x -> ...”. Probably doesn't help you, though :) Basically, it assigns x the return value from function foo in some monadic operation. The first form is syntactic sugar for the second form.
03:35 <Durka> psyko vs lacks etc
03:36 <madmax|pt> hmm, psyko won, i think
03:37 <madmax|pt> not sure >.<
03:37 <madmax|pt> well, good night
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03:37 <Durka> did u play
03:38 <Durka> nvr mind then lol
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03:48 <luke-jr_> [dlh]: my fonts all lack that char
03:49 <[dlh]> the <-?
03:49 <luke-jr_> that's 2 char
03:49 <spidey> hm
03:49  * luke-jr_ needs help coding this :(
03:49 <luke-jr_> http://math.bu.edu/people/mg/glicko/glicko2.doc/example.html
03:50 <spidey> anyone know why 0.3 rotation uses the last setting file for 2 rounds after it's supposed to go back to the first one?
03:50 <[dlh]> luke-jr_: well, then what character are you talking about?
03:50 <luke-jr_> ←
03:51 <[dlh]> that is the arrow, <-
03:51 <spidey> the arrow?
03:51 <luke-jr_> ...
03:51 <spidey> it's a arrow pointing to the left
03:51 <luke-jr_> o
03:51 <luke-jr_> I'm messing up on the 'g' part
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03:52 <Durka> luke-jr_: ping
03:52 <luke-jr_> ...
03:53 <Durka> i got x11 installed and got civ :D
03:53 <luke-jr_> :o
03:55 <Durka> im a super n00b
03:58 <Your_mom_arma> speaking of civ did you guys finish the game yesterday?
03:58 <luke-jr_> not yet
04:02 <Lucifer_arma> as a approaches x0
04:02 <Van-hayes> Durka: max beat psyko 2-1 in case you were wondering
04:02 <Durka> i know
04:02 <Durka> :P
04:02 <Your_mom_arma> Free civ.® <-test
04:02 <Durka> heh
04:03 <Durka> im gonna start playing
04:03 <Your_mom_arma> was that last character shown?
04:03 <luke-jr_> with who?
04:03 <luke-jr_> yes
04:03 <Durka> lol
04:03 <luke-jr_> it was a 't'
04:03 <Durka> idk
04:03 <Van-hayes> ® that one?
04:03 <Durka> ill play with you luke
04:03 <Durka> :i
04:03 <Durka> :o *
04:03 <Your_mom_arma> van saw it, luke didnt
04:03 <Van-hayes> no, he meant the t at the end of test
04:03 <Your_mom_arma> or luke was being a smart ass
04:03 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
04:03 <Van-hayes> heh
04:03 <luke-jr_> the latter
04:03 <luke-jr_> :)
04:04  * luke-jr_ just ate a roll of butterscotch candies
04:05 <Van-hayes> #last with hachi.
04:05 <armabot> Van-hayes: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must (1 more message)
04:05 <Van-hayes> #last --with hachi.
04:05 <armabot> Van-hayes: [04:16:38] <Van-hayes> #last with hachi.
04:05 <Van-hayes> #last --with hachi. --nolimit
04:05 <Your_mom_arma> hachi.dashjr.org
04:05 <Van-hayes> thanks
04:06 <luke-jr_> Van-hayes: you weren't playing...
04:06 <luke-jr_> Durka: you got 2.1, right?
04:06 <Van-hayes> oh, its not a new game?
04:06 <armabot> Van-hayes: [04:16:43] <Van-hayes> #last --with hachi., [04:16:38] <Van-hayes> #last with hachi., and [06:39:32] <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: hachi.dashjr.org 5556
04:06 <luke-jr_> Van-hayes: shrug, up to spidey, Lucifer_arma and Your_mom_arma 
04:06 <luke-jr_> I don't mind
04:06 <Durka> oops
04:06 <Durka> didnt get the beat
04:06 <Durka> beta*
04:06 <Durka> meh brb then
04:06 <Your_mom_arma> my Free civ.® was all but lost so i vote for a new game
04:07 <Your_mom_arma> hmm i guess i do need c i v to show up
04:07 <Van-hayes> huh?
04:08 <Your_mom_arma> i had 3 cities left(was being invaded and was about to lose in 2 or so turns)
04:08 <Van-hayes> how many ai?
04:09 <Your_mom_arma> 2 ais
04:09 <Van-hayes> wow, that seems low
04:09 <Your_mom_arma> i didnt have an army because ben(who was the buffer between me and the ai) left
04:09 <Your_mom_arma> and i had assumed i wouldnt need one
04:10 <Your_mom_arma> well, 2 ais attacking me there was more then that in the game
04:10 <Van-hayes> oh ok
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04:11 <Vanhayes> hmm, if we do play a new game I might try the SDL client
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04:22 <luke-jr_> ...
04:22 <luke-jr_> spidey: Lucifer_arma 
04:26 <spidey> ?
04:29 <ghableska> #weather 50266
04:29 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 11.8°F (9:26 PM CST on March 03, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 1.4°F. Windchill: 3.2°F. Pressure: 29.21 in 989.1 hPa (Rising). 
04:30 <Vanhayes> #weather saint john
04:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 36°F / 2°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.44in / 997hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 11:00 PM AST; Tonight - Increasing cloudiness. A few rain showers or flurries beginning near midnight and ending overnight with the risk of freezing drizzle. Fog patches overnight. Wind southwest 30 km/h becoming light this evening. (1 more message)
04:33 <luke-jr_> spidey: Your_mom_arma, Vanhayes, and Durka want to start a new game
04:34 <Vanhayes> Durka left a while ago
04:35 <spidey> no
04:35 <spidey> i don't want to start another one so we can quit at 1am
04:35 <spidey> and do it again
04:35 <spidey> and again
04:35 <spidey> i want to finish a game :|
04:35 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes and Durka could take AIs, except Vanhayes already cheated
04:36 <spidey> ?
04:36 <Vanhayes> im observing
04:36 <luke-jr_> he /obs everything
04:36 <Vanhayes> i guess thats cheating
04:36 <mkzelda> hax
04:36 <mkzelda> like lagit
04:37 <luke-jr_> wtf?
04:47 <luke-jr_> yay
04:47 <luke-jr_> I think I have Glicko-2 implemented
04:47 <Vanhayes> what the hell is glicko
04:47 <luke-jr_> lool
04:48 <Vanhayes> nvrm
04:48 <Vanhayes> wiki proves to be faster than luke again
05:07 <luke-jr_> http://xkcd.com/c171.html
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> http://info.riaalawsuits.us/umg_lindor_070223JacobsonDepositionTranscript.txt
05:11 <Lucifer_arma> not that emo comic again
05:22 <ghableska> ?
05:33 <ghableska> http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/03/03/237211&from=rss <-- ah
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05:40 <Lucifer_arma> I'm about 2/3 through it, and it's a wonderful read
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> this is better than Perry Mason :)
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> if I ever get sued, I'm hiring that guy!
05:43 <ghableska> heh
05:43 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-216-182-238.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
05:45 <luke-jr_> what is 'emo'?
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05:50 <Lucifer_arma> #wikipedia emo
05:51 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: Error connecting to Google.com.
05:51 <luke-jr_> pow(0.5756, 2) * 0.889543486724 * (0 - 0.421555244143)
05:51  * luke-jr_ ponders why that is NAN
05:52 <luke-jr_> #g pow(0.5756, 2) * 0.889543486724 * (0 - 0.421555244143)
05:52 <armabot> luke-jr_: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
05:53 <luke-jr_> #g 0.5756 * 0.5756 * 0.889543486724 * (0 - 0.421555244143)
05:53 <armabot> luke-jr_: 0.5756 * 0.5756 * 0.889543486724 * (0 - 0.421555244143) = -0.124240517
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> precision?
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> man, I'm starting to want to take a break every time this deposition says "recess taken"
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06:03 <luke-jr_> the odd thing is, it takes a good 5-10 minutes of processing before it goes NAN on me
06:04 <luke-jr_> and even odder, I can't match NAN with ===
06:04 <spidey> we playing civ tnoight?
06:04 <luke-jr_> spidey: dunno; vanhayes, mom and durka are all gone
06:04 <luke-jr_> you luci and I could continue last night I suppose
06:04 <spidey> that only leave you, so i'ma go play tremulous
06:04 <luke-jr_> AI ben and mom
06:04  * luke-jr_ pokes Lucifer_arma 
06:04 <spidey> i wanna finish a game me and luci started
06:05 <spidey> i was liking that game :/
06:05 <luke-jr_> ...
06:05 <spidey> me and luci was playing a game where we was getting our asses kicked
06:05 <luke-jr_> want a challenge?
06:05 <luke-jr_> size 4 w/ aifill 30
06:05 <spidey> fuck that
06:05 <luke-jr_> lol
06:05 <spidey> i want more than 5 cities
06:05 <luke-jr_> I survived till like 1900s
06:05 <luke-jr_> AD
06:06 <spidey> if i'ma bew fighting 27 AI's i want more than 5 
06:06 <spidey> :|
06:06 <luke-jr_> heh
06:06 <luke-jr_> the AIs only get about 5 too
06:06 <spidey> so
06:06 <luke-jr_> until war breaks out
06:06 <luke-jr_> then you take theirs
06:06 <luke-jr_> and get > 5
06:06 <spidey> AI's ally and combine armies
06:06 <luke-jr_> so pick a few AIs to ally with
06:06 <spidey> so you'll be fighting 27 armies
06:06 <spidey> alot of ai's won't ally
06:06 <luke-jr_> or do human team
06:07 <luke-jr_> some will
06:07 <luke-jr_> humans on a team makes it easy in a normal game
06:07 <luke-jr_> 27 AIs should counter that :p
06:07 <spidey> tell ya what
06:07 <spidey> i think we should do size 20 with 30 ai's
06:07 <luke-jr_> that will never end...
06:07 <spidey> so
06:08 <luke-jr_> so you want to finish
06:08 <luke-jr_> I guarantee I will not finish a size 20
06:08 <luke-jr_> unless I somehow die
06:08 <spidey> luke
06:08 <spidey> you never finish a 8
06:08 <luke-jr_> sure i do
06:08 <spidey> name one
06:08 <luke-jr_> there's been a few games
06:08 <luke-jr_> after u all leave, I keep playing
06:08 <luke-jr_> after I leave, I come back later
06:08 <luke-jr_> and finish them
06:08 <spidey> we've only left twice
06:09 <spidey> the rest you left
06:09 <luke-jr_> even some of those, I came back and finished
06:09 <luke-jr_> alone or with 1 guy
06:09 <spidey> that doesn't count
06:09 <luke-jr_> you could come back too :p
06:09 <spidey> you didn't finish witht the people you started with
06:09 <spidey> no
06:09 <spidey> when i play a save, i wanna come back as i left it
06:10 <luke-jr_> size 3-7 is easier to finish
06:10 <spidey> same year, same cities, same gold, same tech
06:10 <spidey> not a game you've been playing for awhile
06:10 <luke-jr_> :p
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> man, we even save off a game when one person leaves, then the remaining two play for awhile and save it off
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> when the 3 are ready to play, we restore from the first save point, when it's just the remaining two, we restore from the latter
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> we're hardcore
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> that deposition was the most interesting thing I've read in awhile
06:12 <spidey> :D
06:12 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, wanna finish our save?
06:12 <spidey> :
06:12 <luke-jr_> so shall we continue last night?
06:12 <spidey> :)
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: to be honest, I'm not sure I"m going to want to restore that save.  :(
06:12 <spidey> awe
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> I figured out why I'm not wanting to restore so many saves right now.  :)
06:12 <spidey> ?
06:13 <spidey> well, i know how that one with me you and mom will turn out
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> still fingering our way around 2.1, and with unstable betas to boot.  So some of these saves, while they were fun games, I can identify things I'd like to fix and start a new game
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> we get pwned?
06:13 <spidey> it'll turn out with me have a shitload of battleships and owning the AI's
06:13 <spidey> atleast, i will
06:13 <spidey> :D
06:13 <spidey> i had 64 before i made a save point
06:13 <luke-jr_> can marines take cities from boats?
06:13 <spidey> duh
06:13 <luke-jr_> nice
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> hahahahahahaha
06:13  * luke-jr_ has never built a marine
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> that's the *point* of marines!
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> here, you do this luke
06:14 <spidey> luke
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> here's one of luci's secrets
06:14 <spidey> what does "marine" mean?
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> put 1 marine on a transport, and 7 MI
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> bombard a coastal city
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> take it with the marine
06:14 <luke-jr_> spidey: what does Alpine Troops mean?
06:14 <spidey> ...
06:14 <spidey> alpine
06:14 <spidey> mountains
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> then *move* the transport into the city and do shift-U to unload it
06:14 <spidey> noo
06:14 <spidey> noob
06:14 <luke-jr_> O.o
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> then move the MI out to fortify all the rails
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> when you do that sequence I just described, the units unloading have their *full* movement available
06:14 <luke-jr_> O.o
06:15 <spidey> yup
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> if you used howitzers instead of MI, you can take 3-4 cities on one turn
06:15 <luke-jr_> if I knew that a few months ago...
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> rtfm
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> :)
06:15 <spidey> hahahahahaha
06:15 <luke-jr_> I could have totally flipped the course of the gave spidey pwnd me in
06:15 <spidey> i never gave you shit
06:16  * luke-jr_ unloaded a crapload of howitizers onto spidey's rail near his capital, preparing to take him next turn
06:16 <luke-jr_> and spidey took em all out immediately :/
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> you gotta figure out how to combine your units for best results
06:16 <spidey> :)
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> that's what Combined Arms is all about
06:16 <luke-jr_> how about paratroopers? they useful?
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> it's actually an ancient tech, but freeciv makes it a modern tech for no good reason
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> I've used paratroopers to take cities on the poles :)
06:17 <spidey> actually
06:17 <spidey> choppers
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> The deal with paratroopers is you use them to take coastal cities (without using a marine, the transport would then have 8 howitzers, for example)
06:17 <spidey> the ancient guys never had choppers
06:17 <spidey> :P
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> or you use them to take inland cities that have airports already, because once you take it, you can airlift to it
06:17 <spidey> OMG aztecs can fly!
06:17 <spidey> :O
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> or you use them to skirmish, raid, and pillage
06:17 <spidey> paratroopers suck
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> I don't personally use paratroopers much because they're pretty worthless
06:18 <spidey> they're a waste of build points
06:18 <spidey> :P
06:18 <luke-jr_> how do you use paratroopers?
06:18 <spidey> ...
06:18 <spidey> rtfm
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> Choose Orders->Air Drop, iirc
06:18 <spidey> rtfm
06:18 <luke-jr_> O.o?
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> it might be paradrop
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> in my ruleset, I've eliminated paratroopers because using an air transport makes any unit a paratrooper :)
06:18  * Lucifer_arma grumbles about porting it to 2.1
06:19 <spidey> you two wanna play civ?
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, paradrop has a radius associated
06:19 <spidey> and not leave in a hour..
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> man, I'm really fucking sleepy
06:19 <spidey> k
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> if I don't wind up leaving in a couple of hours, it'll be because I passed out
06:19 <spidey> i'll play tremulous :D
06:19 <luke-jr_> I'm drinking pop
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> I could play a couple of hours, but that's it
06:19 <spidey> wow
06:19 <spidey> you're amazing look
06:19 <spidey> you drink pop
06:19 <spidey> :O
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> see, I tell you this beforehand so you know I'm not wussing out later :)
06:19 <luke-jr_> = I'll be up for a while
06:20 <spidey> ...
06:20 <luke-jr_> not likely later than 3 or 4 tho
06:20 <spidey> if coke makes you stay up
06:20 <spidey> you're body's retarded
06:20 <luke-jr_> ...
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> imagine what heroin would do to him?
06:20 <spidey> haha
06:20 <luke-jr_> coke makes anyone stay up?
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> not me
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> well, I take that back.  I don't drink Coca-Cola because it's the Ultimate Suck
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> it sucks more than a french hooker on Free Day
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> it's also the most heavily caffeinated soft drink, afaik
06:21 <spidey> ..
06:21  * luke-jr_ hates regular coke
06:21 <spidey> if you saw what my deskt looked like
06:21 <spidey> i've got about 32 coke cans on it
06:22 <spidey> and guess what
06:22 <spidey> it doesn't make me stay up!
06:22 <luke-jr_> spidey: that happens with any drug if taken too much
06:22 <spidey> what?
06:22 <spidey> not really
06:22 <luke-jr_> ........
06:23 <spidey> i've had a natural ability to handle anything i've taken
06:23 <spidey> so far
06:23 <spidey> weather i've used it before or not
06:23 <luke-jr_> it doesn't make you stay up cuz u can't handle it
06:23 <spidey> i i don't drink alot
06:23 <spidey> but
06:23 <luke-jr_> it's cuz it impedes sleep and gives you energy
06:23 <spidey> when i do i have to drink alot to get drunk
06:23 <spidey> infact, i only drink maybe once a year
06:24 <luke-jr_> I don't drink
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> caffeine is the most dangerous drug around right now, precisely because of what luke said
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> "impedes sleep and gives you energy"
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> caffeine does nothing of the sort
06:24 <luke-jr_> caffeine alone might not
06:25 <luke-jr_> tho IIRC it's responsible for some of the sleep impedence
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> what's dangerous about caffeine is that it's a narcotic, it just increases your metabolism, speeding up your body
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> this has the effect of making you feel more energetic, but you don't actually gain any energy
06:25 <luke-jr_> the sugar does
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> it does impede sleep, for the reason I just said
06:25 <luke-jr_> give you energy
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> no, it doesn't, not really
06:26 <luke-jr_> why not? regular sugar does
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> it sounds like it does, and it does give you a bit of a rush, but it's not quite the same thing
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> the real problem isn't whether it's a rush or real energy, the real problem is that the effect is extremely short-term anyway
06:26 <luke-jr_> sugar is supposed to be short-term
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> if you want energy to stay up, you're better off eating some chinese food :)
06:26 <luke-jr_> just finished ramen too
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> drink some coffee or something to take the edge off
06:27 <luke-jr_> I don't like chinese food
06:27 <luke-jr_> edge?
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> no, I mean chinese food with real ingredients and shit (ramen's japanese, anyway)
06:27 <luke-jr_> I don't like chinese food
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, to lighten up the effect
06:27 <luke-jr_> will ice cream do?
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> well, in my experience chinese food is the most immediately and longest-lasting energizing meal
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> no, you need real proteins and vitamins and shit
06:27 <luke-jr_> O.o
06:27 <luke-jr_> coffee has any of that?
06:28 <spidey>                                                                                                   lol
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> no, it doesn't.  Coffee has caffeine
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> coffee has fake energy.
06:28 <luke-jr_> you said to drink it!
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> "to take the edge off"
06:28 <luke-jr_> o.O
06:28 <luke-jr_> so why won't coffee ice cream work?
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> basically, take the short-term perceived boost in energy while you're waiting for digestion to kick in
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> because in the end, it doesn't have the stuff you need for energy?
06:29 <luke-jr_> I mean as a substitute for coffee, not food
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> think of like "What do I eat to give my body the right nutrients and stuff for it to function properly?"
06:29 <luke-jr_> will fudge work for food?
06:29 <luke-jr_> :p
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, the point of coffee in what I said is to get the dosage of caffeine
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> and ice cream doesn't have that high dosage
06:29 <luke-jr_> pop gives me diahreah if I drink too much
06:30 <spidey> wtf
06:30 <luke-jr_> lol
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> see, for short-term gain, caffeine isn't so bad, as long as you're fishing for like 20 minutes and taht's it.  If you need to stay up for "the next 8 hours", eat something that's good and good for you
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> coke gives me diarrhea, but Dr. Pepper, made from prune juice, does not
06:30 <luke-jr_> how about if I want to sleep 3 or 4 hrs per day max? :p
06:30 <luke-jr_> every dau
06:30 <luke-jr_> day*
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I'm a grab a smoke.  When I come back, if there's a freeciv game to be had for a couple of hours, I'll have it.  If not, I'll probably go to bed.
06:31 <spidey> you guys suck if coke give you the shits
06:31 <spidey> :P
06:31  * luke-jr_ ponders if goldfish will do
06:31 <spidey> ..
06:31 <luke-jr_> I used to drink 3 or 4 cans of Pepsi a day, and it was fine
06:31 <luke-jr_> at least
06:31 <spidey> if you wanna stay up just make it about 50-60 degrees in the house
06:31 <spidey> that'll do
06:31 <luke-jr_> cold :x
06:31 <luke-jr_> the office can't get that cold
06:32 <luke-jr_> too many computers heating it
06:32 <spidey> to much heat will make you tiredish
06:32 <spidey> colder it is the more likely you'll stay up longer :P
06:33 <spidey> 3 or 4 cans a day?
06:33 <spidey> o.O
06:33 <spidey> i drink atleast 9-10 cans of dr. pepper a day :P
06:34 <spidey> sometimes i'll drink liters of water in a few hours
06:34 <luke-jr_> probably more
06:34 <spidey> just depends on how i feel
06:34 <luke-jr_> I was constantly drinking it
06:34 <luke-jr_> nowadays the only way I can get any is to claim I'm buying it to remove corrosion
06:34 <spidey> ...
06:38 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.net/config
06:38 <spidey> settings for FA
06:38 <spidey> :D:D
06:39 <luke-jr_> ...
06:39 <spidey> ...
06:41 <luke-jr_> btw, did u figure out your problem?
06:41 <spidey> no
06:42 <luke-jr_> what's your rotation config line?
06:42 <spidey> config_rotation round1.cfg;round2.cfg;round3.cfg;round4.cfg;round5.cfg;round6.cfg;round7.cfg;round8.cfg;round9.cfg;round10.cfg;
06:43 <luke-jr_> btw
06:43 <luke-jr_> fix it so it doesn't change stuff early
06:44 <spidey> tell who ever implimented it to do it
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> so are we going to restore that game?
06:44 <spidey> it's not something i can fix
06:44 <luke-jr_> sure
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> and, er, actually, spidey, colder temperatures make your heart rate decrease, which helps you to fall asleep
06:45 <luke-jr_> lol
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> one of the treatments for insomnia is to turn the a/c on
06:45 <spidey> doesn't work that way for me
06:45 <spidey> if the room's just right
06:45 <spidey> 70-75 degrees
06:45  * luke-jr_ thinks you need to aim for a middle ground
06:45 <spidey> sure i can
06:45 <spidey> but if it's "cold" 
06:45 <spidey> i can't sleep
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> it's an illusion.  I find that if I take a pretty hot shower and don't completely dry off, then lay in bed with the a/c on, I tend to fall asleep quicker than normal
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> well, too cold and your body goes into survival mode
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> you'll still succumb sooner or later without some heat, but when your body goes into survival mode, all bets are off on when you'll fall asleep
06:46 <spidey> i'm talkin 40-50 degrees
06:46  * luke-jr_ notes he has no body fat
06:46 <spidey> and that's the temp. i like it
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> I estimate that the temperature around my body when I finally lay down is typically around 50 degrees
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> and when I do *that*, I generally fall asleep within 15 minutes.  If I don't do that, I could lay in bed for hours
06:47 <luke-jr_> spidey: 40-50 degrees is cold
06:47 <spidey> i like it
06:47 <spidey> :)
06:47  * luke-jr_ would be shivering
06:47 <spidey> i've always liked it cold
06:47 <spidey> :P
06:47 <luke-jr_> spidey: fatty
06:47 <luke-jr_> :p
06:47 <spidey> ...
06:47 <luke-jr_> lol
06:48 <luke-jr_> so let's go play civ
06:48 <spidey> 190lbs and i'm about 6ft-6ft 1
06:48 <spidey> nub
06:48 <luke-jr_> fatty
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's fatty
06:48 <spidey> lies
06:48 <luke-jr_> you weigh about double me
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> I'm around 200 at 6 ft, and I've got layers of fat
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> the good news is that my titties are gone.  :)
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> now if I can just get this belly back down...
06:48 <spidey> i'm "fat"
06:48  * Lucifer_arma is happy with his fencing class :)
06:49 <spidey> i've got a pudge, but i'm not "fat" :P
06:49  * luke-jr_ doesn't exercise :p
06:49  * spidey has to
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> 20% fat is morbid obesity, iirc
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> might be 25%
06:49 <spidey> my dogs always run off
06:49 <spidey> so i have to chase them down
06:49 <spidey> :/
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> man, when I was 18, I didn't exercise, I ate my balls off, and I still tended to lose weight
06:49  * luke-jr_ can't get fat if he tries
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> if it weren't for regular extreme binges like all-you-can-eat buffets, I'd have shrunk down to 120.  In fact, I did shrink down to 120 at one point.
06:50 <luke-jr_> actually, I take back what I said about exercise
06:50 <luke-jr_> I get plenty in bed
06:50 <luke-jr_> :p
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> catholic sex doesn't count.  When they say sex is the best exercise, they mean "liberal sex".
06:50 <luke-jr_> I tend to float around 100
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> You know, sex worth having.
06:50 <spidey> hahahaha
06:51 <luke-jr_> you have it backward
06:51 <luke-jr_> liberal sex is the worthless kind
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> no, I don't.  :)
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> I've done it both ways, and I know which one is more satisfying.  ;)
06:51 <luke-jr_> obviously not :)
06:51  * Lucifer_arma points to his three kids
06:52 <luke-jr_> you're insulting your kids on purpose?
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> speaking of kids, my son's tee-ball team won both games today
06:53  * Lucifer_arma notes that when luke-jr says "insult", Lucifer reads "compliment"
06:53 <spidey> haha
06:53 <luke-jr_> you're the one saying they're unsatisfying
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> no, you are
06:53 <spidey> satisfying is irrelivant
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> I'm saying they came about as the result of very satisfying sex that was repeated at least twice after the first time :)
06:54 <luke-jr_> liberal sex can't result in kids (or rarely, anyhow)
06:54 <spidey> since something that satisfies one person, may not satisfy another
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> hence *three* kids, not one or two or four
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> sure it can
06:54 <luke-jr_> legitimate kids*
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> whether the sex is liberal or not is independent of contraceptive means
06:54 <spidey> qtf@ legitimate kids
06:54 <spidey> wtf*
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> it's also independent of marriage
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> to put it another way, my wife and I are freaky
06:54 <luke-jr_> nope
06:55 <luke-jr_> liberal "sex" is abuse of real sex for purposes other than it is intended
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> right, blowjobs, anal penetration, handjobs, etc
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> touching/sucking boobies
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> right
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> exactly
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> thanks :)
06:55 <luke-jr_> and none of that can result in kids :)
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> then explain my three kids?
06:56 <luke-jr_> you yourself admitted to doing it the right way also
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> actually, one of them was conceived in a period when we did the more conservative variety, but not the other two
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> the other two, the oldest and youngest, were both conceived during particularly freaky periods in our sex life
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> where the only method we consistently used was "poke it to see if it moves"
06:57 <luke-jr_> ...
06:58 <luke-jr_> wtf is that supposed to mean
06:58 <spidey> lmao
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> hahahaha
06:58 <spidey> i'ma go play tremulous
06:59 <luke-jr_> if it's within marriage and has no impedences to kids, it's Catholic-compatible, not liberal
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> so oral is out?
06:59 <luke-jr_> ...
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> can't have a kid when you're shooting a load down her throat, right?
07:00 <luke-jr_> right
07:01  * luke-jr_ stabs floating points
07:01 <luke-jr_> ()$#@&)$
07:01 <luke-jr_> WTF is -5.62673 != -5.62673 ?!?!?
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> if you want a definition, liberal sex can be defined as anything goes as long as all parties involved agree and want it
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> so it's completely inclusive of anything catholic-compatible, other than prohibitions on contraceptives
07:02 <luke-jr_> you mean without God involved?
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> but it's a superset
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> God sure in the hell isn't in my bedroom.  Or if he is, he's probably blushing.
07:02 <luke-jr_> why? sex is merely imitation of Him
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> really?
07:03 <luke-jr_> more or less
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> why do I feel a sudden urge to draw an internet comic on the subject?
07:03 <luke-jr_> XD
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> "Take it, Jesus, take it!"
07:03 <luke-jr_> I'd rather you help me with this floating point crap
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> only reasons I know you'll wind up with NAN is division by zero, and taking the square root of -1
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07:04 <luke-jr_> well, the NAN never happens if the comparison works
07:04 <luke-jr_> if -5.62673 == -5.62673, NAN doesn't occur
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07:04 <Lucifer_arma> pastebin the code?
07:04 <luke-jr_> wtf was that about
07:05 <luke-jr_> http://rafb.net/p/NKU21r75.html
07:05 <luke-jr_> line 30 of that
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> do you get NAN on line 29 in your test case?  (the echo line)
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm, are you taking a derivative there?  Or trying to, anyway?
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07:10 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> hi
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> find out what $g is right before that big mess
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> I can see $g possibly becoming NAN early on, but it not being detected until the comparison
07:11 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> hi lucky
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> on line 18, get $g, $v, and $delta and see if any of those are NAN
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> re tard
07:12 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> ^_~
07:12 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: not sure
07:12 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: I have no clue how it works
07:13 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> it doesnt
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> truer words have never been spoken, SuPeRTaRD-bb (hi there!) 
07:13 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> ¶8)
07:13 <luke-jr_> nothing at line 18 is NAN
07:13 <luke-jr_> it works for smaller datasets :p\
07:13 <luke-jr_> http://math.bu.edu/people/mg/glicko/glicko2.doc/example.html <-- maths I'm trying to implement
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> and you're sure you're not falling into an infinite loop somehow?
07:15 <luke-jr_> I am, because the floats won't compare
07:16 <luke-jr_> I suspect it's trying to get a limit
07:16 <luke-jr_> and just plugging in the number yields NAN
07:16 <luke-jr_> so it approaches from both sides until they match
07:16 <luke-jr_> and they're just not matching :/
07:17 <luke-jr_> that's all suspicion tho, I really haven't analyzed the formula
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> it's not computing a limit, but I'm not seeing where the summations are appearing in code
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> when you see the sigma, think for loop :)
07:21 <luke-jr_> they're not
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> step 3 is one such sigma, iterating over each opponent and summing the results together
07:21 <luke-jr_> it only supports 2 players
07:21 <luke-jr_> so only 1 opponent
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> the game this is from, you mean?
07:22 <luke-jr_> it's not from a game
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> whatever it's from.  :)  Hang on
07:22 <luke-jr_> it's an arma ladderlog parser
07:22 <luke-jr_> yes
07:22 <luke-jr_> it vudelta($killer, $killed, 1) and vudelta($killed, $killer, 0)
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> To apply the rating algorithm, we treat a collection of games within a ``rating period'' to have occurred simultaneously. 
07:23 <luke-jr_> rating period = 1 event :)
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> so I'm reading this as inclusive of all games played within that rating period, which could have up to m total opponents for each player
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> hence the summation
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> when the number of games in a rating period is moderate to large, say an average of at least 10-15 games per player in a rating period. 
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07:23 <luke-jr_> yes, so my small rating period will be less accurate
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> so they're wanting you to take snapshots of a certain minimum size that you'll need to tweak to find here
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> you need a longer rating period, so you can do the summation.  So take like a day's matches?  Or maybe just take all the rounds in a given match?
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> that last one might not be enough, though.  Hmmmm.........
07:24 <luke-jr_> I don't want to do the summation :p
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> you have to do the summation
07:24 <luke-jr_> why?
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> every computation after that depends on the summation
07:24 <luke-jr_> why can't I apply it for each death?
07:25 <luke-jr_> only considering the 2 players involved in it?
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> because the summation is an aggregate of all opponents faced by one player
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> and it's for each player
07:25 <luke-jr_> and that one player only faces one other player in a single event
07:26 <luke-jr_> http://rafb.net/p/48B4Cs90.html <-- complete script
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> fine, don't do the summation, but if you're going to just toss out parts of someone's carefully constructed series, don't be surprised if you get NAN as a result at some point :)
07:26 <luke-jr_> I'm not just tossing out parts
07:26 <luke-jr_> I'm just using a very short period of time to sample
07:26 <luke-jr_> such that I end up with 2 players
07:27 <luke-jr_> which makes a summation into a single evaluation
07:27 <mkzelda> #lastseen psyko
07:27 <armabot> mkzelda: ~*PsYkO*~ has last been seen on  Wild West  =Fortress= 6 minutes ago.
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> echo ''.round($x, 5) . '~' . ''.round($lx, 5) . "\n";  <--- what's the last output of this when you get the NAN error?
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> line 29
07:28 <luke-jr_> -5.62673~-5.62673
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> in the pastebin that is
07:28 <mkzelda> #lastseen ({+})
07:28 <luke-jr_> after that is NAN~-INF
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> so you're probably getting the NAN on the first time it goes through the next iteration, and it's breaking properly there
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> put an echo after the if and see :)
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> (you'll have to make it a block with {} obviously)
07:29 <armabot> mkzelda: timed out
07:30 <luke-jr_> it's running
07:30 <luke-jr_> it takes a while
07:30 <luke-jr_> it works fine with most logs; only occurs with Durka's 28 MB lgo
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> unicode problem, maybe?
07:31 <luke-jr_> doubt it, as it gets pretty far
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> or a parse error at some point?
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> when I was doing scanning of various arma logs, I noticed a lot of anomalies here and there
07:31 <luke-jr_> keep in mind these are sanitised usernames too
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> this was back in days though
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> try to find out which line of the log it's actually failing on :)
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> unless you already have...
07:33 <luke-jr_> nope, haven't
07:33 <luke-jr_> should be fairly easy
07:33 <luke-jr_> I don't see how the log could mess it up tho
07:33 <luke-jr_> it doesn't use any numbers from it
07:33 <luke-jr_> player_1 killed armagetron : -5.62673~-5.62672
07:34 <luke-jr_> -5.62673~-5.62673
07:34 <luke-jr_> broke!
07:34 <luke-jr_> NAN~-INF
07:34 <luke-jr_> NAN~NAN
07:34 <luke-jr_> broke!
07:34 <luke-jr_> 1288-1935 vs NAN-NAN
07:34 <luke-jr_> DEATH_FRAG player_1 armagetron <-- line triggering
07:35 <luke-jr_> line 228388 of 2167946
07:35 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> ~¿~ Zzz²
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07:42 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: line 40 on the 2nd paste
07:42 <luke-jr_> $vola[$who] == 0
07:43 <luke-jr_> log(0) == -INF
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> armagetron is an ai?
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> grep armagetron in the log?  ;)
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> see if this is his first appearance
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> can't see it mattering, but since you have it narrowed down to which line causes it, you're on the tail end of beating it ;)
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm going to bed, I'm really sleepy and my knees are hurting like hell and need a rest
07:48 <MrBougo> sleep well
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> I'll dream of Belgian waffles and Amherst-kisses
07:49 <MrBougo> xD
07:53 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: it's his 8th appearance with player_1
07:56 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: armagetron kills n3erds and ends up with $x ==  -5.62671145235, which puts $vola[armagetron] at 0.0600032995257
07:57 <luke-jr_> which squared is 0.003600395953
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08:26 <MrBougo> #serverinfo swamp
08:26 <armabot> MrBougo: G-Land (A Swamplords server): No online players.
08:26 <MrBougo> #serverinfo swampland
08:26 <armabot> MrBougo: Swampland in 2.7.1: No online players.
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08:52 <MrBougo> yello joe
08:53 <DrJoeTron> WORD
08:53 <DrJoeTron> word even
08:54 <MrBougo> ???
08:54 <MrBougo> DrJoeTron : ???
08:54 <DrJoeTron> hi
08:54 <MrBougo> [08:51:47] DrJoeTron: WORD
08:54 <MrBougo> [08:51:52] DrJoeTron: word even
08:55 <DrJoeTron> caps lock
08:55 <DrJoeTron> relax man
08:55 <MrBougo> lol i dont get it...
08:55 <MrBougo> bah nevermind
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09:03 <MrBougo> hello
09:06 <spidey> luke-jr_, ping
09:11 <MrBougo> #poing
09:11 <armabot> piong
09:33 <spidey> wow
09:34 <MrBougo> ?
09:34 <spidey> in the last year i've payed  $406, and wizz has payed $150
09:34 <MrBougo> payed what?
09:34 <spidey> for the servers/sites for our clan
09:34 <spidey> :O
09:34 <MrBougo> wtf!
09:34 <MrBougo> that's expensive!
09:34 <spidey> that's minimal
09:34 <spidey> for running a clan
09:34 <spidey> :)
09:34 <MrBougo> how much servers do you rent?
09:34 <spidey> right now?
09:34 <spidey> tron and soldat plus 2 webservers
09:35 <MrBougo> huh!
09:35 <MrBougo> 2 webservers for one clan?
09:35 <spidey> yea
09:35 <spidey> .net and .com
09:35 <MrBougo> huh
09:36 <MrBougo> why not one server and 2 redirects
09:36 <spidey> we use alot of bandwidth
09:36 <spidey> heh
09:36 <MrBougo> ew
09:36 <MrBougo> which clan?
09:36 <MrBougo> mbc right
09:36 <spidey> |FA|
09:36 <MrBougo> err
09:36 <spidey> no way
09:36 <MrBougo> nevermind xD
09:36 <spidey> i wouldn't give micro shit
09:36 <MrBougo> lol
09:36 <MrBougo> but u used to be mbc, didnt you
09:36 <spidey> and i left ;)
09:37 <spidey> i was in it for a year, but that's how long it took me to get tired of his shit
09:37 <spidey> :P
09:37 <MrBougo> xD
09:37 <MrBougo> their serv is indeed shitty
09:37 <spidey> that's cause micro don't listen to his clan members
09:37 <spidey> one reason i left
09:37 <MrBougo> ah
09:38 <spidey> 2/3 of the clan asked for lower rubber
09:38 <spidey> what'd micro do
09:38 <spidey> raise it
09:38 <spidey> and half of the 1/3 is inactive
09:38 <spidey> so there vote didn't count
09:38 <MrBougo> rofl!
09:38  * MrBougo hates high-rubber
09:38 <spidey> his clan
09:38 <spidey> fine
09:38 <spidey> but he doesn't pay the bills
09:39 <MrBougo> doesnt he?
09:39 <spidey> the clan donates
09:39 <MrBougo> omg!
09:39 <MrBougo> is it a sect? xD
09:39 <spidey> sect?
09:40 <MrBougo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sect
09:40 <MrBougo> where are you from?
09:40 <spidey> #dict sect
09:40 <spidey> usa
09:40 <armabot> spidey: easton, wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: gcide: Sect \Sect\ (s[e^]kt), n. [L. secare, sectum, to cut.] A cutting; a scion. [Obs.] --Shak. [1913 Webster]; wn: sect n 1: a subdivision of a larger religious group [syn: {religious sect}, {religious order}] 2: a dissenting clique [syn: {faction}]; easton: Sect (Gr. hairesis, usually rendered "heresy", Acts 24:14; 1 Chr. 11:19; (6 more messages)
09:40 <spidey> a gang?
09:40 <spidey> lol
09:40 <MrBougo> kind of
09:41 <MrBougo> with a guru that is worshipped
09:41 <MrBougo> some stupid things
09:41 <spidey> micro isn't worshiped, i can tell ya that
09:41 <MrBougo> oh ok then
09:41 <spidey> most of the clan doubts him :P
09:41 <MrBougo> a dictatorship then
09:42 <spidey> half of that's my fault
09:42 <spidey> o.O
09:42 <MrBougo> xD
09:42  * spidey made a really long post in mbc non-clan forum showing how micro really is :D
09:42 <MrBougo> hehe
09:42 <MrBougo> what does FA mean?
09:42 <MrBougo> the clan's name
09:42 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com
09:42 <MrBougo> oh
09:43 <MrBougo> are you still falling?
09:43 <spidey> we set and thought of names for 3 days
09:43 <spidey> finally we said next suggestion is it
09:43 <spidey> guess what it was? :P
09:43 <MrBougo> xD
09:43 <MrBougo> muh, the server doesnt answer
09:43 <spidey> yea, webhost is acting up
09:44 <MrBougo> the dotnet works
09:44 <MrBougo> oh ok, you run the tron server on the dotnet one?
09:44 <spidey> yea, that's the one that does work, most of the time
09:44 <spidey> heh
09:44 <spidey> no
09:44 <MrBougo> ew
09:44 <spidey> luke-jr_, hosts the tron server
09:44 <spidey> :P
09:44 <MrBougo> oh
09:45 <MrBougo> so the dotnet hosts the config files
09:45 <spidey> no
09:45 <MrBougo> muh
09:45 <spidey> i just uploaded them
09:45 <MrBougo> there's a /config
09:45 <MrBougo> oh ok
09:45 <spidey> so they'd be safe from my evil formats
09:45 <spidey> :O
09:45 <MrBougo> i don't get the purpose of this serv :p
09:45 <spidey> it's a fallback
09:45 <spidey> incase something happens to the .com
09:46 <spidey> plus sometimes i host stuff for the .com on the .net
09:46 <spidey> since the .com has less bandwidth :P
09:46 <MrBougo> oh
09:46 <MrBougo> the other folders are private, right
09:46 <MrBougo> or something like that xD
09:47 <MrBougo> because i only see /config
09:47 <spidey> there's nothing on it now
09:47 <MrBougo> oh ok
09:47 <spidey> it got to big so i move www/ and replaced it with another one
09:47 <spidey> nothing but crap on it i didn't use anymore
09:47 <spidey> heh
09:47 <MrBougo> oh ok :p
09:48 <MrBougo> jeeze its so expensive
09:48 <MrBougo> do you get a part of the money from ads?
09:48 <spidey> no
09:48 <MrBougo> ew, all self-paid
09:48 <spidey> #g  $406+150
09:48 <armabot> spidey: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
09:48 <spidey> #g  $406+$150
09:48 <armabot> spidey: (US$ 406) + (US$ 150) = 556 U.S. dollars
09:48 <MrBougo> xD
09:48 <spidey> #g  $556/12
09:48 <armabot> spidey: (US$ 556) / 12 = 46.3333333 U.S. dollars
09:49 <spidey> that's only $46.33 a month
09:49 <MrBougo> oh im dumb
09:49 <MrBougo> dumbdumbsumb
09:49 <MrBougo> i tought it was /month
09:49 <MrBougo> *dumbdumb*
09:49 <spidey> i'm not that stupid :D
09:49 <MrBougo> $556/month rofl
09:49 <spidey> i'd go dedicated before i payed that :P
09:50 <spidey> i'ma go play tremulous now, bbl :P
09:50 <MrBougo> okay
09:50 <MrBougo> ima download tremulous now
09:50 <MrBougo> i forgot about it xD
09:50 <MrBougo> it it wheighty?
09:50 <MrBougo> -h
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10:12 <MrBougo> jello !
10:12 <DiGiTX> gm
10:12 <DiGiTX> #morning
10:12 <DiGiTX> xD
10:12 <armabot> Good Morning DiGiTX Random Fortune: FORTUNE PROVIDES QUESTIONS FOR THE GREAT ANSWERS: #21 || A: Dr. Livingston I. Presume. || Q: What's Dr. Presume's full name?
10:12 <DiGiTX> jajuj
10:13 <DiGiTX> #seen epsy
10:13 <armabot> DiGiTX: epsy was last seen in #armagetron 11 hours, 41 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <epsy> cya
10:13 <DiGiTX> 11 hours D
10:14 <DiGiTX> game
10:14 <MrBougo> #seen wrtlprnft
10:14 <armabot> MrBougo: wrtlprnft was last seen in #armagetron 8 hours, 38 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <wrtlprnft> #night
10:15 <MrBougo> #seen zman
10:15 <armabot> MrBougo: zman was last seen in #armagetron 9 hours, 15 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: * zman yawns and crawls into bed.
10:15 <MrBougo> #seen z-man-work
10:15 <DiGiTX> #seen MrBougo 
10:15 <armabot> MrBougo: z-man-work was last seen in #armagetron 2 days, 17 hours, 19 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <z-man-work> Yep, that's what I do, too.
10:15 <armabot> DiGiTX: MrBougo was last seen in #armagetron 0 seconds ago: <MrBougo> #seen z-man-work
10:15 <DiGiTX> 0 secons 
10:15 <MrBougo> xD
10:15 <DiGiTX> xD
10:15 <MrBougo> #seen xfroggy
10:15 <armabot> MrBougo: xfroggy was last seen in #armagetron 1 day, 4 hours, 43 minutes, and 1 second ago: <xfroggy> ^
10:15 <MrBougo> lol!
10:15 <MrBougo> #seen armabot
10:15 <armabot> MrBougo: I have not seen armabot.
10:15 <MrBougo> pwnt
10:15 <MrBougo> #seen CIA-24
10:15 <armabot> MrBougo: CIA-24 was last seen in #armagetron 1 day, 13 hours, 25 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <CIA-24> armagetronad:  * resources/wrtlprnft/fortress/zig_zag-1.aamap.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
10:15 <DiGiTX> 1 day
10:16 <MrBougo> #seen n54
10:16 <armabot> MrBougo: n54 was last seen in #armagetron 37 weeks, 6 days, 6 hours, 35 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <n54> hi mom :)
10:16 <MrBougo> ew!
10:17 <MrBougo> #seen self_destructo
10:17 <armabot> MrBougo: self_destructo was last seen in #armagetron 1 week, 1 day, 8 hours, 48 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <Self_Destructo> spidey, thanks
10:17 <MrBougo> #seen wrtlprnft_konver
10:17 <armabot> MrBougo: wrtlprnft_konver was last seen in #armagetron 41 weeks, 6 days, 11 hours, 50 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <wrtlprnft_konver> yeah it works, i get the msgs
10:17 <MrBougo> #seen joda_bo1
10:17 <armabot> MrBougo: joda_bo1 was last seen in #armagetron 25 weeks, 4 days, 10 hours, 39 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <joda_bo1> #night
10:17 <MrBougo> DiGiTX : ?
10:17 <DiGiTX> wait ..
10:18 <MrBougo> #seen spidey|hibernati
10:18 <armabot> MrBougo: spidey|hibernati was last seen in #armagetron 43 weeks, 0 days, 8 hours, 23 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <spidey|hibernati> damn freenode
10:20 <DiGiTX> wait
10:20 <DiGiTX> D
10:20 <MrBougo> ???
10:21 <MrBougo> #seen wait
10:21 <armabot> MrBougo: I have not seen wait.
10:22 <DiGiTX> xD
10:22 <DiGiTX> cmon
10:22 <DiGiTX> thekowsklan
10:22 <DiGiTX> xD
10:28 <MrBougo> ew
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10:31 <DrJoeTron> damn
10:31 <MrBougo> ?
10:31 <DrJoeTron> the day blockland 1.0 gets released is the day mom isn't around :/
10:32 <MrBougo> huh
10:32 <MrBougo> blockland looks funny
10:32 <MrBougo> does your mom play blockland?
10:33 <DrJoeTron> well
10:33 <DrJoeTron> we play return to blockland
10:33 <DrJoeTron> which is the free one
10:46 <DrJoeTron> http://www.rrrrthats5rs.com/games/the-road-less-taken hey guys check this game out
10:47 <MrBougo> jeeze
10:47 <MrBougo> its hard
10:52 <MrBougo> lvl13
10:53 <DrJoeTron> jesus
10:53 <DrJoeTron> i cant get past 5
10:53 <MrBougo> lol
10:53 <DrJoeTron> im my worst enemy
10:53 <MrBougo> ew i pressed reset T_T
10:56 <MrBougo> i give up
10:56 <MrBougo> the blocks always take th same way
10:56 <MrBougo> but when you press reset it changes
11:00 -!- MrBougo is now known as epsy
11:00 <DrJoeTron> you're shitting me
11:00 -!- epsy is now known as MrBougo
11:00 <MrBougo> huh?
11:00 <DrJoeTron> are you epsy?
11:01 <MrBougo> not at all
11:01 <MrBougo> i wanted to check if he was registered xD
11:01 <MrBougo> just check my ip if you want to
11:01 <MrBougo> it's belgian
11:01 <MrBougo> epsy is french
11:01 <MrBougo> ima register mrbougo
11:05 <DiGiTX> :D
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11:24 <MrBougo> It seems that digitx's shift-key is hanging: 9.2% of the time he/she wrote UPPERCASE.
11:24 <MrBougo> For example, like this:
11:24 <MrBougo>      <digitx> XD 
11:27 <MrBougo> (this is a test message) there's something wrong about the server, i think it would be right in a normal situation... i should really do something... if only i could...
11:27 <MrBougo> i used the 10 most used words xD
11:30 -!- epsy [n=epsy@mar75-4-82-227-65-72.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #armagetron
11:30 <MrBougo> epsy! finally!
11:30 <MrBougo> DiGiTX
11:30 <epsy> hi
11:30 <epsy> #morning
11:30 <armabot> Good Morning epsy Random Fortune: We use Linux for all our mission-critical applications. Having the source code || means that we are not held hostage by anyone's support department. || (Russell Nelson, President of Crynwr Software)
11:30 <MrBougo> DiGiTX DiGiTX DiGiTX DiGiTX DiGiTX DiGiTX
11:32 <MrBougo> i gottago :(
11:33 <MrBougo> eps, can you try /msg nickserv info MrBougo ?
11:33 <MrBougo> tell me if it's public or not
11:36 <MrBougo> epsy : ?
11:36 <MrBougo> blah, i gottago... cyas all
11:37 <MrBougo> have a nice day
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12:23 <Exel> Hus in |JP|
12:25 <Exel> Hello
12:25 <Exel> anyone
12:25 <epsy> hi
12:26 <Exel> is dat u pikaro
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12:26 <Exel> ??
12:26 <epsy> err i suppose no
12:26 <Exel> U in |JP|
12:26 <Exel> ?
12:27 <epsy> no
12:27 -!- digitx [n=digitx@catv-56653766.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #armagetron
12:27 <Exel> iw ann try for |JP|
12:33 <digitx> #python
12:33 <digitx> XD
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12:36 <madmax|pt> you're 'Pimpy Wimp'?
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12:40 -!- TuI65 is now known as Ossi
12:41 -!- Ossi is now known as Mkbkd
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12:54 <MrBougo> im back!
12:55 <madmax|pt> welcome back!
12:55 <MrBougo> thank you!
12:58 -!- epsy [n=epsy@mar75-4-82-227-65-72.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["END OF LINE"]
12:58 <DiGiTX> damn
13:19 <madmax|pt> Mkbkd: hi Ossi :P
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13:23 <MrBougo> wb
13:23 <epsy> ty
13:23 <DiGiTX> re
13:23 <DiGiTX> :D
13:23 <DiGiTX> father
13:23 <DiGiTX> XD
13:24 <MrBougo> digitx, shut u*
13:24 <MrBougo> xD
13:24 <DiGiTX> :D
13:24 <MrBougo> did you tell epsy?
13:24 <DiGiTX> o bugi mama
13:24 <MrBougo> heh no
13:24 <MrBougo> MR bougo, not mrs
13:24 <DiGiTX> mama
13:24 <MrBougo> nah
13:24 <DiGiTX> :D
13:24 <MrBougo> nah
13:24 <DiGiTX> jo bugi papa
13:24 <MrBougo> err
13:24 <MrBougo> isnt it epsy?
13:24 <DiGiTX> ho ?
13:24 <epsy> what ?
13:24 <DiGiTX> bugi papa
13:24 <MrBougo> xD
13:25 <epsy> lol
13:25 <MrBougo> #realchatlogs
13:25 <armabot> MrBougo: http://master3.armagetronad.net/armalogs/
13:25 <epsy> #ircstats
13:25 <armabot> http://www.electricpotential.net/ircstats/armagetron.html
13:25 <MrBougo> oh no
13:25  * epsy always got stupid quotes
13:25 <MrBougo> it was on the kows klan
13:25 <epsy> ?
13:26 <DiGiTX> kowwwwsklan
13:26 <MrBougo> digitx copied some bash console
13:26 <MrBougo> code
13:26 <DiGiTX> what ?
13:26 <MrBougo> with digitx@espy
13:26 <DiGiTX> ja
13:26 <MrBougo> epsy*
13:26 <DiGiTX> espi again?
13:26 <DiGiTX> nah
13:26 <DiGiTX> :D
13:26 <MrBougo> xD
13:26 <epsy> heh
13:26 <epsy> It seems that digitx's shift-key is hanging: 9.2% of the time he/she wrote UPPERCASE.
13:26 <epsy> For example, like this:
13:26 <epsy>      <digitx> XD
13:26 <DiGiTX> ja killall bugi
13:26 <epsy> lol
13:26 <MrBougo> and i asked him why his computer was called epsy
13:27 <DiGiTX> lol
13:27 <MrBougo> and he answered "my dad"
13:27 <DiGiTX> pssst
13:27 <epsy> he's just crazy/stupid
13:27 <MrBougo> so i was wtf epsy is your dad?
13:27 <DiGiTX> secret
13:27 <DiGiTX> XD
13:27 <MrBougo> xD
13:29 <DiGiTX> im stupid
13:29 <DiGiTX> hyh
13:29 <DiGiTX> uh
13:30 <MrBougo> Affirmative !
13:30 <MrBougo> #playersonline
13:30 <MrBougo> #list alias
13:30 <armabot> MrBougo: add, armabot, armaconfig, bigbrother, bug, chatlog, check, dance, date, die, die, digg, do, eliza, f, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, ircstats, joke, kill, lastseen, legit, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, onlineplayers, onlineservers, pacman, piong, poing, praise, q, realchatlogs, remove, resources, rou, roulette, roulete, rules, serverdetails, (1 more message)
13:30 <MrBougo> #onlineplayers
13:30 <epsy> #onlineplayers
13:30 <MrBougo> -_-
13:30 <epsy> ;)
13:30 <armabot> MrBougo: This data is 22 seconds old; $_TrEnT_$ GöJu, $_TrEnT_$ Make, (*L2K*)cX, (*L2K*)Venosis, (*L2K*)`Lunatic, (Solid)p@p@, -+$P+-<y<lo, adde, ALsUsdCars|MBC|, bigbag, birdman, Blork, cc|RHCP|Tadd, ch, Charminbear, CT~Voodoo, CTÃX3V1, Dez, djiezes, DrHouse, Exel, F4vE, Harry, ibeg, Jamy27, jfacas_Portugal, Kak Tak?, l3th4l, Legionnaire, LudaCri$, maño, Nucko, Player 1, Player 2, Samuel, (1 more message)
13:30 <armabot> epsy: This data is 23 seconds old; $_TrEnT_$ GöJu, $_TrEnT_$ Make, (*L2K*)cX, (*L2K*)Venosis, (*L2K*)`Lunatic, (Solid)p@p@, -+$P+-<y<lo, adde, ALsUsdCars|MBC|, bigbag, birdman, Blork, cc|RHCP|Tadd, ch, Charminbear, CT~Voodoo, CTÃX3V1, Dez, djiezes, DrHouse, Exel, F4vE, Harry, ibeg, Jamy27, jfacas_Portugal, Kak Tak?, l3th4l, Legionnaire, LudaCri$, maño, Nucko, Player 1, Player 2, Samuel, Schotti, (1 more message)
13:30 <MrBougo> #more
13:30 <armabot> MrBougo: Schotti, Sinji, Sithy, sniper, Spinpoo, StarLight, t.F.|Slayer, TF~ Sonny Black, TF~Sonny Check, The Wall, thx, tom, ToNY, totalcommander, Tschai, womble, woorm.bot, wouter, Zarghab, ZXR-General13, |ITA| SMOKE, |ITA|Gelax!, }SC{ tµ¡kêr, ~*SP*~Sacrifice, ~*SP*~SATAN, ~*SP*~viper~, ~Ti$H~, ~{GP}~dreher, ~{GP}~noname, ¦Ã¦Luzifer, ¦ÃÂ¥ FoFo, ©®#P         T<, °¯Loki, °°qain
13:30 <DiGiTX> noname
13:31 <DiGiTX> :)
13:31 <MrBougo> #joke
13:31 <armabot> By royal decree, all humor has hereby been expunged from this channel. If you feel you absolutely *have* to be funny please find a channel where people are able to understand jokes.
13:31 <MrBougo> #praise
13:31 <armabot> MrBougo: (praise [<channel>] [<id>] <who|what> [for <reason>]) -- Praises <who|what> (for <reason>, if given). If <id> is given, uses that specific praise. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
13:31 <MrBougo> huh
13:31 <MrBougo> #alias praise
13:31 <armabot> Ady sucks
13:31 <MrBougo> rofl
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13:32 <MrBougo> #remove
13:32 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: The command "remove" is available in the Alias, Herald, News, Praise, Quote, and RSS plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "remove".
13:32 <MrBougo> #alias remove
13:32 <armabot> MrBougo: (alias remove <name>) -- Removes the given alias, if unlocked.
13:32 <MrBougo> oh
13:32 <MrBougo> #man
13:32 <armabot> MrBougo: (man <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/man.php?c=$1&p=@1".
13:32 <MrBougo> #man ls
13:32 <armabot> MrBougo: ls, dir, vdir - list directory contents
13:38 <wrtlprnft> wtf?
13:38 <wrtlprnft> there's a dir command on unix?
13:39 <epsy> yes
13:39 -!- digitx [n=digitx@catv-56653766.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #armagetron
13:39 <digitx> re
13:40 <MrBougo> re
13:40 <digitx> re
13:40 <MrBougo> re?
13:40 <epsy> wb
13:40 <digitx> re!
13:40 <digitx> ty
13:40 <digitx> X
13:40 <MrBougo> wb!
13:40 <digitx> ty?
13:40 <MrBougo> ty!
13:40 <epsy> pfff
13:40 <MrBougo> (lawl)
13:40 <digitx> nah?
13:40 <digitx> lol?
13:41 <digitx> mama
13:41 <digitx> XD
13:41 <digitx> bugyi
13:41 <digitx> LOL
13:41 <digitx> espi
13:41 <digitx> XD
13:42 <digitx> laddi laddi laddi ho
13:42 <guru3> ...
13:42 <digitx> ez van :)
13:42 <MrBougo> ew, i hear a pre-kick silence
13:43 <digitx> ne legyek nyomorek ? oke .
13:48 <digitx> #onlineplayers
13:48 <armabot> digitx: This data is 54 seconds old; $_TrEnT_$ GöKu, $_TrEnT_$ Make, (*L2K*)cX, (*L2K*)emphasis, (*L2K*)Krupz, (*L2K*)Venosis, -=[@Lex]=-, 009 |MBC|, 0xdd3377oLio, :TS:Kamlolek, aok yoshy, bart, beerman, bigbag, birdman, CHÃLáÃK, Chris, Cobra, ctt|ccRHCP|Tadd, CT~Voodoo, Cucumber, dave, DrHouse, ÃÃ¥qk§þé¢sêq, Exel, F4vE, fearcar, freakless, G5, Harry, Hyperbyte, ikono, Jamy27, (2 more messages)
13:48 <digitx> #more
13:48 <armabot> digitx: jfacas_Portugal, Jin, Lackadaisical, Legionnaire, mañn, MoLten, Monster, Mr. Bougo, Player 1, Player 2, Player 2, Potato Chef, RED DEMON, Samuel, Schotti, sniper, Spinpoo, StarLight, t.F.|Slayer, t.F|Plage, The Wall, thx, TOMMA, tricksta, Tschai, tts-freaky-man, van Nelle, woorm.bot, wouter, ZXR-General13, |ITA| SMOKE, }O{, ~*SP*~SATAN, ~Ti$H~, ~{GP}~dreher, ~{GP}~noname, ©S¦µ4, ©­$P (1 more message)
13:49 <digitx> #more
13:49 <armabot> digitx: T<, ©® §Ã, °°Koki
13:49 <digitx> lol
13:50 <digitx> 569 ping
13:50 <digitx> arma
13:51 <MrBougo> whew
13:51 <MrBougo> which serv?
14:04 -!- Lackadaisical [n=lack@ip202-29-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #armagetron
14:04 <digitx> #roulette
14:04 <armabot> digitx: *click*
14:04 <madmax|pt> hello
14:04 <MrBougo> yello Lackadaisical
14:05 <digitx> hoi 
14:05 <Lackadaisical> hey
14:05 <Lackadaisical> wrtlprnft: do you have serverlogs of the bistro?
14:06 <Lackadaisical> and can you tell ifsomeone really disconnected because of a problem with his internet connection or just leaves?
14:07 <madmax|pt> let me guess, ady?
14:07 <MrBougo> #serverinfo bistro
14:07 <armabot> MrBougo: 1v1 Sumo Bistro: Players (2/4): Lackadaisical, ~*SP*~SATAN
14:11 <digitx> #serverinfo Norms Place
14:11 <digitx> XD
14:11 <armabot> digitx: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “norms place” at the moment, sorry.
14:16 <MrBougo> #serverinfo cafe
14:16 <armabot> MrBougo: Fortress Café: No online players.
14:16 <digitx> hoh
14:16 <digitx> #serverinfo place
14:16 <armabot> digitx: Norm's Place: Players (2/12): Monster, wouter
14:16 <MrBougo> #serverinfo cafe
14:16 <armabot> MrBougo: Fortress Café: No online players.
14:16 <digitx> #serverinfo place
14:16 <armabot> digitx: Norm's Place: Players (2/12): Monster, wouter
14:19 <digitx> #serverinfo place
14:19 <armabot> digitx: Norm's Place: Players (4/12): ICE BEAR, Monster, Salamalejkum, wouter
14:19 <digitx> ICE BEAR
14:19 <MrBougo> ?
14:19 <digitx> brb
14:19 <digitx> XD
14:19 <MrBougo> #seen Anjori
14:19 <armabot> MrBougo: Anjori was last seen in #armagetron 19 weeks, 1 day, 9 hours, 46 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <anjori> meh
14:21 <digitx> #serverinfo place
14:21 <armabot> digitx: Norm's Place: Players (5/12): ICE BEAR, Monster, Salamalejkum, wouter, ©­¡¦Þ	ozo.exe
14:21 <digitx> LO
14:21 <digitx> l
14:21 <MrBougo> ????
14:22 <digitx>  ©­¡¦Ã
14:22 <digitx> crisp
14:22 <digitx> :D
14:23 <MrBougo> lol
14:27 <MrBougo> byebye
14:27 <MrBougo> i didnt know digitx = crisp xD
14:28 <MrBougo> bye
14:28 <MrBougo> #bye
14:28 <MrBougo> #goodbye
14:28 <armabot> Goodbye MrBougo :(
14:28 <MrBougo> :(
14:28 <digitx> cu
14:28 <digitx> :)
14:29 <digitx> :@
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14:34 <digitx> #serverinfo place
14:34 <armabot> digitx: Norm's Place: Players (7/12): Arcy, fearcar, ICE BEAR, KARAN!, Monster, Salamalejkum, ©® §Ý
14:36 <epsy> progressing with that joomla thing...
14:36 <epsy> http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/joomlatest/index.php?option=com_joomlaboard&Itemid=28
14:37 <epsy> gtg now
14:38 <digitx> cu
14:38 <digitx> oo
14:38 <digitx> url ?
14:38 <digitx> jaa
14:38 <epsy> wel it's going down in 30 seconds
14:38 <epsy> *well
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14:42 <Lackadaisical> madmax|pt: yes, but we just played the missing 5 rounds so i guess he didn't do it on purpose
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14:46 <digitx> hey deja_vu 
14:46 <digitx> #echo hoi deja_vu 
14:46 <armabot> hoi deja_vu
14:47  * deja_vu hits digitx kindly :P
14:48 <digitx> digitx?
14:48 <digitx> where ?
14:49 -!- deja_vu [n=deja_vu@Q4ddc.q.pppool.de] has quit ["leaving"]
15:23 <madmax|pt> http://www.jarrattmoody.com/intonation.html ← those familiar with Pulp Fiction will like this
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15:48 <Lackadaisical> nice
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15:52 <digitx> #serverinfo place
15:52 <armabot> digitx: Norm's Place: Players (10/12): DrHouse, ehird, ICE BEAR, psychopunch, WLR, WOSTY, wouter, |L2K| WarzeMan, ~{GP}~dreher, ~{GP}~noname
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16:17 <pavelo> hi ghab
16:18 <ghableska> hi pavelo
16:18 <ghableska> is the ladle today?
16:18 <pavelo> yes
16:18 <ghableska> good luck :)
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16:19 <pavelo> thx :)
16:19 <ghableska> hi [dlh]
16:20 <[dlh]> hey
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17:09 <MrBougo> yello
17:22 <digitx> yello
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17:46 <MrBougo> bye
17:46 -!- MrBougo [n=MrBougo@ip-62-235-243-2.dsl.scarlet.be] has left #armagetron ["AZERTY IN YOUR... eye"]
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17:58 <ghableska> #serverdetails ess caf
17:58 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (17/32): -=[@Lex]=-, ainbnnd, Andrea -=*, ArmaBot, Canada, CT|orly?, gArIsImO, Karen, Keenan, Lackadaisical, Magic, Ossi, safariskater, Seraph, Slurm, t.F|Plage, ~luAp~
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18:10 <[dlh]> #bigbrother eggcozy
18:11 <[dlh]> #seen eggcozy
18:11 <armabot> [dlh]: eggcozy was last seen in #armagetron 12 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours, 22 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <eggcozy> ok
18:11 <[dlh]> bah.
18:11 <[dlh]> #list alias
18:11 <armabot> [dlh]: add, armabot, armaconfig, bigbrother, bug, chatlog, check, dance, date, die, die, digg, do, eliza, f, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, ircstats, joke, kill, lastseen, legit, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, onlineplayers, onlineservers, pacman, piong, poing, praise, q, realchatlogs, remove, resources, rou, roulette, roulete, rules, serverdetails, serverinfo, (1 more message)
18:11 <[dlh]> #more
18:11 <armabot> [dlh]: svn, t, uberinsult, unlock, and wikipedia
18:11 <armabot> [dlh]: timed out
18:11 <Lackadaisical> #lastseen eggcozy
18:12 <[dlh]> it would be nice to have him for the matches today.
18:12 <armabot> Lackadaisical: ?	eggcozy has last been seen on °¯ps Arena  ~~~ Team Sumo ~~~ 7 days 2 hours 37 minutes ago.
18:12 <Lackadaisical> yes
18:12 <Lackadaisical> you are nemo right?
18:12 <[dlh]> yeah
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18:26 <_Sticky_> #lastseen rico
18:27 <armabot> _Sticky_: ¦×¥Rico has last been seen on Fortress Café 0 days 16 hours 4 minutes ago.
18:34 <mkzelda> #lastseen ~&@!#({+})#!@&~
18:34 <armabot> mkzelda: ~*SP*~ ØMÊgÀ seems to be on °¯ps Arena  ~~~ Team Sumo ~~~ right now.
18:34 <epsy> xD
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18:35 <mkzelda> rofl
18:39 <mkzelda> #lastseen ~&@!#({+})#!@&~
18:39 <armabot> mkzelda: ~/EF\~losWochos seems to be on Strawberry Fields right now.
18:43 <mkzelda> im playing w/ that name right now
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18:49 <joda_bot> hi
18:51 <Lackadaisical> hi joda
18:57 <joda_bot> hi Lackadaisical
18:57 <joda_bot> oh right, it's still an hour until we start right
18:57 <joda_bot> ?
18:57 <joda_bot> just forgot to add the +1 for GMT+1 :-)
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19:08 <wrtlprnft> umm, if TM is playing we need a server admin
19:08 <wrtlprnft> because I won't be there :s
19:09 <Canada> Hello, peeps
19:10 <wrtlprnft> hi
19:11 <epsy> damn i'm trying to install joomla
19:12 <epsy> i can login, but there is an account i cant loggin with
19:12 <epsy> only admin account works. heh
19:12 <wrtlprnft> epsy: are you in the ladle?
19:13 <epsy> no
19:13 <Canada> do i need to make a new account on http://durka.freehostia.com/tst3.php, if i already have one on DDL.notlong.com
19:13 <epsy> but i wont have time to do admin :/
19:13 <wrtlprnft> :s
19:14 <Canada> wait, nvm just checked same address 
19:18 <spidey> wrtlprnft, when's the ladle start?
19:18 <[dlh]> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Ladle-9/Challenge_Board
19:19 <wrtlprnft> in 40 minutes
19:19 <spidey> to late to sign up?
19:19 <[dlh]> “All Challenge Boards will be locked at 0:00 am UTC on the day of the event Sunday 4th March.”
19:19 <wrtlprnft> it's not too late to admin my server
19:19 <epsy> wrtlprnft, how many time it's long ?
19:20 <epsy> approx ,
19:20 <wrtlprnft> huh?
19:20  * spidey ment to signup last night but feel asleep
19:20 <spidey> xD
19:20 <wrtlprnft> how many times people will play on my server?
19:20 <epsy> gah
19:20 <epsy> sry poor english
19:20 <wrtlprnft> two times
19:20 <epsy> how long will it be ,
19:20 <epsy> two matches ,
19:20 <epsy> ?
19:20 <epsy> damn this ? key
19:20 <Canada> its 18:00 right now
19:21 <epsy> #time
19:21 <armabot> epsy: 07:32 PM, March 04, 2007
19:21 <epsy> not really
19:21 <Canada> so
19:21 <epsy> 18:30
19:21 <Canada> w/e
19:21 <wrtlprnft> did I already mention that armabot is GMT+1
19:21 <wrtlprnft> ?
19:21 <spidey> wrtlprnft, admin your server?
19:21 <wrtlprnft> spidey: two or three matches
19:21 <wrtlprnft> spidey: yeah
19:21 <wrtlprnft> i can't be there
19:21 <spidey> i don't see why you don't just lock the server after everyone's in it
19:22 <Canada> if someone gets disconnected ^^
19:22 <epsy> cuz it never happen xD
19:22 <wrtlprnft> spidey: because I can't be there.
19:22 <wrtlprnft> and if the admin gets disconnected (s)he will have a problem
19:23 <spidey> true :S
19:24 <joda_bot> spidey: i guess u might play for 2020 and the tronic monkeys
19:24 <spidey> sign's over :(
19:24 <spidey> i think
19:24  * spidey isn't good with timezones
19:24 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: i've no plan on which server I'll be, but I might be able to admin the server (if I'm on it or have the time)
19:24  * spidey barely knows his own time
19:24 <spidey> :O
19:25 <mkzelda> awww i think wrtl just kicked me
19:25 <mkzelda> hehe
19:25 <[dlh]> ugh, me too
19:25 <[dlh]> or he shut the server down...
19:25 <wrtlprnft> err
19:25 <wrtlprnft> oh
19:25 <wrtlprnft> i was an hour off then
19:25 <wrtlprnft> it's back up
19:25 <mkzelda> too bad i dont wanna go there anymore
19:25 <joda_bot> depends on two factors ... how long SP stays in the tournament or if SP has enough players how long TM stays in ;)
19:26 <spidey> wrtlprnft, i'll admin it if joda can't, if you tell me how to execute this
19:26 <spidey> armagetronad-dedicated: armagetronad-dedicated: cannot execute binary file
19:26 <spidey> :P
19:26 <wrtlprnft> ?
19:26 <joda_bot> spidey:  chmod u+x armagetro-dedicated
19:27 <spidey> [mountaindew]$ chmod u+x armagetronad-dedicated
19:27 <spidey> [mountaindew]$ ./armagetronad-dedicated
19:27 <spidey> -bash: ./armagetronad-dedicated: cannot execute binary file
19:27 <joda_bot> hm, is the dedicated compiled for your OS ?
19:27 <spidey> it's the debian .package
19:27 <[dlh]> $ file armagetronad-dedicated
19:28 <pavelo> what's your arch ?
19:28 <joda_bot> armagetronad-dedicated = armagetronad-dedicated.tar.gz ?
19:28 <joda_bot> or .package ?
19:28 <spidey> hm
19:28  * spidey thinks he sees the problem
19:29 <joda_bot> spidey: go ahead
19:29 <spidey> ?
19:30 <luke-jr_> spidey: Debian doesn't have .packages foo
19:30 <spidey> it's a 64bit os, i was using the 32 bit package
19:30 <spidey> xD
19:30 <spidey> http://beta.armagetronad.net/?product=server&branch=0.2.8&hideold=0&hideold=1&os=Debian&arch=&bitness=_32&format=#download
19:30 <spidey> stfu foo
19:30 <spidey> :D
19:30 <pavelo> i had a feeling that was the problem
19:31 <spidey> luke-jr_, is that a .package i see? :O
19:32 <spidey> if the .package isn't for debian, you need to remove it from the debian tree
19:32 <spidey> :P
19:33 <joda_bot> .package is a autopackage which should install on any linux distribution if the autopackage support is mature at some point
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19:35 <MrBougo> jello
19:35 <spidey> cookies
19:35 <spidey> :D
19:36 <epsy> #time
19:36 <armabot> epsy: 07:47 PM, March 04, 2007
19:36 <MrBougo> wtf spidey? xD
19:36 <spidey> :P
19:37 <joda_bot> does anyone know which server wrtlprnft wants me to admin ?
19:37 <joda_bot> just noticed I'm not clear on that part ;)
19:37 <spidey> fortress cafe i think
19:37 <pavelo> ummm.... his ?
19:37 <joda_bot> oh fine ;)
19:37 <joda_bot> thought so, but wasn't sure ;)
19:38 <MrBougo> lol pavelo
19:38 <MrBougo> congratz joda_bot :p
19:38 <mkzelda> wrtlprnft fortress
19:39  * spidey goes to get a good fortress match in before the ladle starts :O
19:41 <mkzelda> where?
19:41 <spidey> dunno
19:41  * spidey notes wrtlprnft fortress isn't on the server list
19:41 <mkzelda> its way on the bottom
19:41 <pavelo> try wrtlpwnd fortress
19:41 <mkzelda> filter by sucky
19:41 <mkzelda> you'll find it at the top then :D
19:42 <MrBougo> #serverinfo wrtl
19:42 <armabot> MrBougo: wrtlprnft's ladle/tournament fortress: No online players.
19:42 <spidey> wrtlprnft, ladle/tournament fortress?
19:42 <MrBougo> #serverinfo wrtlpwn
19:42 <spidey> emtpy :(
19:42 <armabot> MrBougo: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “wrtlpwn” at the moment, sorry.
19:42 <mkzelda> all forts but ct are empty
19:42 <mkzelda> lets go to wrtl
19:42 <MrBougo> xD
19:42 <MrBougo> im too busy
19:42 <luke-jr_> spidey: what debian tree?
19:42 <spidey> luke-jr_, ?
19:42 <Canada> how can i retrieve AIM logs?
19:42 <MrBougo> hey! yesterday was my 1st tron b-day !
19:42 <MrBougo> #echo Happy Tron B-Day!
19:42 <armabot> Happy Tron B-Day!
19:42 <MrBougo> :D
19:43 <Canada> happy tron birthday
19:43 <spidey> mkzelda, there
19:43 <mkzelda> in canada they dont have aim logs, you have to copy everything down by hand
19:43 <MrBougo> xD canada
19:43 <luke-jr_> omg
19:43 <luke-jr_> when did Canada get back
19:43 <Canada> crap
19:43 <mkzelda> spidey: fort cafe has 5 ppl now
19:43 <MrBougo> wtf mkzelda ??? xD
19:43 <MrBougo> #serverinfo cafe
19:43 <Canada> then i cant prove that Hyphy emailed me that he steals credit cards for a living
19:43 <armabot> MrBougo: Fortress Café: Players (3/32): Cruel, Plu$, t.F|Plage
19:43 <Canada> plus = me
19:43 <luke-jr_> O.o
19:43 <luke-jr_> um
19:43 <MrBougo> hyphy is banned, right?
19:44 <luke-jr_> IIRC
19:44 <luke-jr_> someone help Canada get his logs plz
19:44 <luke-jr_> who here uses AIM?
19:44 <Canada> lol
19:44 <mkzelda> me
19:44 <mkzelda> but not the official aol one
19:44 <MrBougo> i dont
19:44 <Canada> it was about 2 weeks ago
19:44 <luke-jr_> unfortunately, I'm screwed either way, but proof lets me shut down his servers
19:45 <Canada> the last chat i had over im was with hyphy that time, dont use IM that much
19:45 <luke-jr_> Canada: I'll find them if you run a FTP server or smth :p
19:46 <joda_bot> luke-jr_: me
19:46 <Canada> i'll try, if you tell me how lol
19:46 <Canada> lol
19:46 <luke-jr_> joda_bot: can you help Canada find AIM logs?
19:46 <luke-jr_> plz
19:46 <Canada> my Aim is Bass Fl3a if you need it
19:46 <joda_bot> luke-jr_: depends on his client I guess... I use AIM protocol not the client
19:46 <Canada> hyphy's is Aliencrazy16
19:47 <MrBougo> yee! let's spam!
19:47 <luke-jr_> http://en.typsoft.com/download.php?prog=tfs
19:47 <MrBougo> or not...
19:47 <luke-jr_> install that
19:47 <luke-jr_> or actually
19:47 <luke-jr_> better yet
19:47 <Canada> kk
19:47 -!- Rico [n=5442281c@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
19:47 <luke-jr_> dont
19:47 <MrBougo> lol luke
19:47 <Canada> ok, what do i download then
19:47 <Canada> :P
19:48 <luke-jr_> http://superb-west.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/vnc-tight/tightvnc-1.2.9-setup.exe
19:48 <Canada> kk
19:48 <Rico> canada smells
19:48 <luke-jr_> this way, I can remote control your PC to find it, and you can supervise me and make sure i don't do anything bad :p
19:48 <MrBougo> hehe a vnc
19:48 <Canada> downloading right now
19:48 <Rico> :D
19:48 -!- Canada [n=484b21b2@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has quit ["CGI:IRC (EOF)"]
19:49 <luke-jr_> wtf
19:49 <MrBougo> yea, wtf indeed
19:49 <MrBougo> haha, he can supervize
19:50 <Rico> need to find a better client brb
19:50 <MrBougo> what are you gonna do luke, some macro program? so he doesnt have the time to kick you?
19:50 -!- Rico [n=5442281c@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has quit [Client Quit]
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19:50 -!- Arma58 is now known as Canada
19:50 <MrBougo> wb :p
19:50 <luke-jr_> Canada: wtf?
19:50 <MrBougo> yea, wtf?
19:50 <Canada> the download had error, so i have to download threw firefox
19:50 <Canada> can you post link again
19:50 <luke-jr_> #last --with http
19:50 <armabot> luke-jr_: [19:59:26] <luke-jr_> http://superb-west.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/vnc-tight/tightvnc-1.2.9-setup.exe
19:50 <Canada> internet exploreer bugs a ton
19:50 <Canada> kk
19:50 <MrBougo> nice!
19:51 <MrBougo> #last --with kewl
19:51 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 30152 messages.
19:51 <MrBougo> 30152 messages, whew
19:51 <[dlh]> #help last
19:51 <armabot> [dlh]: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)
19:52 <MrBougo> #more
19:52 <armabot> MrBougo: match; --nolimit returns all the messages that can be found. By default, the channel this command is given in is searched.
19:52 <Canada> its downloading now
19:52 <MrBougo> what os are you using canada.?
19:52 <Canada> os?
19:52 <epsy> wingblows, he uses IE
19:52 <[dlh]> #last --regexp .* --nolimit
19:52 <armabot> [dlh]: Error: '.*' is not a valid regular expression.
19:53 <Canada> i use IE, but firefox when it has error reports
19:53 <Lackadaisical> someone call my name when we need to play
19:54 -!- Arma20 [n=Arma20@pool-72-75-33-178.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #armagetron
19:54 <MrBougo> <troll> so you're using firefox all the time?
19:54 -!- Arma20 is now known as Canadaa
19:54 <MrBougo> (sorry)
19:54 <Canadaa> #last --with html
19:54 <armabot> Canadaa: [15:34:29] <madmax|pt> http://www.jarrattmoody.com/intonation.html ← those familiar with Pulp Fiction will like this
19:54 <MrBougo> lol dlh
19:54 <MrBougo> .* is valid, isnt it?
19:54 <Canadaa> wtf is that
19:55 -!- Arma26 [n=Arma26@user-5442281c.l6.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #armagetron
19:55 <MrBougo> lol canada
19:55 <MrBougo> http, not html
19:55 -!- Arma26 is now known as Rico
19:55 -!- Canada [n=Arma58@pool-72-75-33-178.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit ["Bye!"]
19:55 <MrBougo> wtf?
19:55 <Canadaa> kk
19:55 <Canadaa> #last --with http
19:55 <armabot> Canadaa: [20:06:21] <MrBougo> http, not html
19:55 <Canadaa> you suck lol
19:55 -!- Rico [n=Arma26@user-5442281c.l6.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit]
19:56 <MrBougo> rofl canadaa
19:56 <MrBougo> #last --with http:
19:56 <armabot> MrBougo: [19:59:26] <luke-jr_> http://superb-west.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/vnc-tight/tightvnc-1.2.9-setup.exe
19:56 <MrBougo> here you are
19:56 <Canadaa> thanks
19:56 -!- Rico [n=rico@user-5442281c.l6.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #armagetron
19:56 <Rico> stupid isp
19:56 <MrBougo> xD
19:57 <Rico> hi ;p
19:57 <MrBougo> jello
19:57 <luke-jr_> I use Konqueror
19:57 <luke-jr_> screw IE and Firefox
19:57 <Canadaa> if it doesnt work on fire fox, i'll use opera
19:57 <luke-jr_> they're both buggy, slow, and bloated
19:57 <Rico> firefox is teh suckzorz
19:58 <luke-jr_> Konqueror forever!
19:58 <luke-jr_> unless someone writes a better one...
19:58 <Rico> heh
19:58 <mkzelda> i like konqueror but i get a lot of probs w/ it
19:58 <Rico> there a site for konqueror?
19:58 <Rico> i want a look ;p
19:58 <luke-jr_> The problems I get with Konqueror I also get with Firefox
19:58 <mkzelda> kde.org :D
19:58 <Rico> thx
19:58 <mkzelda> i get a lot of render errors
19:58 <luke-jr_> no mk
19:59 <luke-jr_> http://www.konqueror.org/
19:59 <MrBougo> i dont like konqueror
19:59 <MrBougo> iwonder why
19:59 <mkzelda> i have xhtml strict code, and it doesnt render right in konqueror
19:59 <MrBougo> i feel uncomfortable using it
19:59 <Canadaa> Luke, successfully downloaded i believe, what now
19:59 -!- Canadaa is now known as Canada
19:59 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: are you passing the correct Content-type?
19:59 <luke-jr_> Canada: install it
19:59 <xfroggy> #seen ossi
19:59 <armabot> xfroggy: I have not seen ossi.
19:59 <mkzelda> ya, its just a few anomalies here and there
19:59 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: and have the doctype?
19:59 <mkzelda> ya
20:00 <Rico> #lastseen zop
20:00 <armabot> Rico: ZoPhIsTiC has last been seen on Super  Duck Hyphy N a n o Fortress!! 7 minutes ago.
20:00 <mkzelda> it wouldnt validate properly w/o it
20:00 <Canada> it told me to update tightvnc, i did, now i'm confused
20:00 <luke-jr_> so Content-Type: text/xml+xhtml or such
20:00 <luke-jr_> not text/html
20:00 <MrBougo> #last
20:00 <armabot> MrBougo: [20:11:18] <luke-jr_> not text/html
20:00 <luke-jr_> Canada: what's your IP?
20:00 <Canada> i havnt memorized it, brb
20:00 <luke-jr_> Canada: start TightVNC
20:00 <mkzelda> most of them are font and placement related
20:00 <luke-jr_> maybe your doc is wrong :p
20:01 <Canada>
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20:01 <xfroggy> Ooo
20:01 <luke-jr_> Canada: TightVNC server running?
20:01 <xfroggy> that was ossi!
20:01 <Canada> 1 sec
20:01 <Mkbkd> IM
20:01 <Mkbkd> xD
20:01 <luke-jr_> Mkbkd: wtf r u
20:02 <Mkbkd> imaa ossi %$)
20:02 <Rico> lol
20:02 <madmax|pt> Canada?
20:02 <Mkbkd> i kni=ow
20:02 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: my problems with KHTML are related to printing
20:02 <Canada> now it is luke
20:02 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: I use XHTML/CSS3 for publishing books
20:02 -!- zmanuel is now known as z-man
20:02 <joda_bot> lol 21 players on cafee
20:02 <luke-jr_> Canada: set the password to 'ljpass'
20:02 <MrBougo> ladle?
20:02 <Mkbkd> nooe
20:02 <Canada> ok
20:03 <Mkbkd> pe*
20:03 <Mkbkd> just palay
20:03 <Rico> #join arma-ladle
20:03 <armabot> Rico: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
20:03 <Rico> oops
20:03 <Rico> heh
20:03 <Mkbkd> play*
20:03 <Canada> k, done
20:03 <MrBougo> joda_bot : is it because of the ladle?
20:03 <z-man> whoops, banned myself from my own server
20:03 <MrBougo> omg you rock
20:03 <Canada> lol z man
20:03 <luke-jr_> Canada: do you have a firewall?
20:03 <Canada> its off
20:03 <MrBougo> yee! hack!
20:03 <Canada> i think, let me check
20:03 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@unaffiliated/madmaxpt/x-23911] has quit ["Gone."]
20:04 <luke-jr_> actually...
20:04 <Canada> yep its off
20:04 <luke-jr_> Right click the VNC icon in your system tray
20:04 <luke-jr_> Add New Client
20:04 <luke-jr_> Host: two.tsurukikun.dashjr.org
20:04 <Canada> should i x out VNC server
20:04 <luke-jr_> O.o
20:05 <luke-jr_> just add new client thign
20:05 <MrBougo> #more
20:05 <armabot> MrBougo: <luke-jr_> Konqueror forever!, [20:09:14] <CIA-15> gentoo: (Portage version: 2.1.2-r9), [20:09:14] <CIA-15> gentoo: stable x86; bug 148424, [20:09:14] <CIA-15> gentoo: opfer * gentoo-x86/x11-drivers/ati-drivers/ (ati-drivers-8.28.8-r1.ebuild ChangeLog):, [20:09:06] <Rico> firefox is teh suckzorz, [20:08:50] <luke-jr_> they're both buggy, slow, and bloated, [20:08:49] (27 more messages)
20:05 <MrBougo> oops
20:05 <Rico> meh
20:05 <luke-jr_> #more MrBougo 
20:05 <armabot> luke-jr_: Error: MrBougo has no public mores.
20:06 <Mkbkd> #time
20:06 <armabot> Mkbkd: 08:17 PM, March 04, 2007
20:06 <MrBougo> lol luke
20:06 <MrBougo> its private
20:06 <MrBougo> #more
20:06 <armabot> MrBougo: <Canadaa> if it doesnt work on fire fox, i'll use opera, [20:08:34] <luke-jr_> screw IE and Firefox, [20:08:32] <luke-jr_> I use Konqueror, [20:08:12] <MrBougo> jello, [20:08:07] <Rico> hi ;p, [20:08:00] <MrBougo> xD, [20:07:56] <Rico> stupid isp, [20:07:53] <CIA-15> kss: reebalazs * r39917 kukit.js/kukit/oper.js: Add logging for client actions, [20:07:48] <Canadaa> thanks, (26 more messages)
20:06 <Canada> is that under user settings, luke
20:06 <Mkbkd> >_> 13min 
20:06 <luke-jr_> Canada: no
20:06 <MrBougo> #serverinfo cafe
20:06 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@bl4-198-31.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #armagetron
20:06 <armabot> MrBougo: Fortress Café: Players (16/32): *&^%(Sigh Co.)%, -+$P+-<y<lo, Administrator, Canada, CT|orly?, CT~Voodoo, G5, Legit, nemostultae, Ossi, Pez, ]\ ]L ]F ñ, ~*SP*~PsYkO, ~*SP*~viper~, ¦fa¦ªspidey»	Go, ¦×¥ FoFo
20:06 <luke-jr_> Canada: see the icon in your system tray?
20:06 <MrBougo> whew
20:06 <Canada> whats it under
20:06 <MrBougo> 16 zomg
20:06 <luke-jr_> right click on that
20:06 <Canada> lol bougo stfu
20:06 <luke-jr_> it's on the menu
20:06 <MrBougo> ima play 10 minutes
20:06 <madmax|pt> did 2020 show up yet?
20:06 <luke-jr_> no
20:07 <Canada> brb ganna get out of cafe
20:07 <[dlh]> (
20:07 <[dlh]> no
20:07 <[dlh]> (
20:07 <[dlh]> )
20:07 <luke-jr_> madmax|pt didn't show up either
20:07 <luke-jr_> :D
20:07 <Canada> kk, luke whats it under? administration or what
20:07 <luke-jr_> Canada: it's right on the rightclick menu
20:07 <luke-jr_> "Add New Client"
20:08 <Canada> on desktop?
20:08 <luke-jr_> no
20:08 <luke-jr_> system tray
20:09 <Canada> you use a mac? cause theres no system tray on windows i dont think
20:09 <[dlh]> …
20:09 <luke-jr_> ............
20:09 <luke-jr_> Windows invented the system tray
20:09 <luke-jr_> I think
20:09 <Canada> lol
20:10 -!- deja_vu [n=deja_vu@Q4f31.q.pppool.de] has quit ["*mink*"]
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20:11 <Durka> hi
20:11 <Canada> looked up system tray on help and support... 18 suggestions
20:12 <epsy> luke-jr_, raster(main dev of my WM) hates the system tray spe. huh >.<
20:12 <MrBougo> durka!
20:12 <epsy> hey durka
20:12 <epsy> Durka, i'm about to publish a site for my tron clan...
20:12 <Durka> mk...
20:12 <mkzelda> Durka: Hi!
20:12 <epsy> btw as you're server admin...
20:13 <mkzelda> the party is in cafe
20:13 <Canada> where do i look
20:13 <mkzelda> Durka: are wz fixed @ ww?
20:13 <luke-jr_> Canada: right side of the taskbar
20:13 <Canada> ah, 
20:13 <luke-jr_> where volume, clock etc is
20:13 <Durka> come to zman fort dook
20:13 <mkzelda> k
20:14 <Canada> ah, but add new client isnt one of the options
20:14 <luke-jr_> what is
20:14 <Canada> restore, move, size, minimize, maximize, close
20:15 -!- Rico [n=rico@user-5442281c.l6.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit ["Java user signed off"]
20:15 <MrBougo> ew
20:15 <MrBougo> you clicked the wrong icon
20:15 <Canada> then what do i click
20:16 <MrBougo> you know, on the right side, next to the clock, there's a set of icons without text
20:16 <epsy> Durka, isn't really finished trough: http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/joomlatest/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1 :P
20:16 <Canada> all it says is speech and help
20:16 <Canada> and speach tools
20:16 <Canada> speech
20:16 <MrBougo> you clicked the wrong icon
20:16 <luke-jr_> there's a VNC icon over there, right?
20:16 <Canada> soz cant spell
20:17 <Canada> oh now there
20:17 <MrBougo> byebye
20:17 <MrBougo> i gtg
20:17 <Canada> i had to exit out of VNC
20:17 <Mkbkd> lol /me get ban on zmanfort >_< serv dont like my nick buGzi 
20:17 <MrBougo> have a nice evening
20:17 <MrBougo> why doesnt it?
20:17 <Canada> what do i add luke
20:18 <Canada> whats host name
20:18 <luke-jr_> Host: two.tsurukikun.dashjr.org
20:18 <MrBougo> Mkbkd : why doesnt it?
20:18 <MrBougo> i remember some bugzi
20:18 <MrBougo> ew
20:18 <Mkbkd> OMH ITS ban me for 58 minut >_<
20:18 <MrBougo> ew!
20:18 <Mkbkd> HALP
20:18 <[dlh]> Lackadaisical: join us in 2020's server
20:18 <pavelo> Lackadaisical: Lackadaisical Lackadaisical
20:18 <MrBougo> z-man : Mkbkd needs your help :p
20:18 <Canada> ok, what now luke
20:18 <MrBougo> bye all!
20:19  * Mkbkd slaps Durka around a bit with a large trout
20:19 <epsy> #t french to english match amical
20:19 <Durka> o_O
20:19 <armabot> epsy: friendly match
20:19 <Lackadaisical> kk
20:19 <epsy> ah
20:19 <Mkbkd> Durk. its Ossi 
20:19 <Mkbkd> zman serv ban me T_T
20:19 -!- MrBougo [n=MrBougo@61.36-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has left #armagetron ["thgiN dooG"]
20:19 <Mkbkd> 56 min left
20:19 <spidey> lol
20:20 <luke-jr_> Canada: are you David, Julia, Tami, or Will?
20:20 <Canada> David
20:20 <Mkbkd> T_T
20:20 <xfroggy> ossi!!!
20:20 <xfroggy> XDDD
20:20 <xfroggy> privet!!!
20:21 <Mkbkd> ïðèâà
20:21 <Durka> x come back
20:21 <Durka> to zman fort
20:21 <Durka> u to ossi
20:21 <Mkbkd> ÿ áàí ïîëó÷èë íà ñåðâàêå
20:21 <Mkbkd> DURK I CANT
20:21 <xfroggy> ??????? ?? ?????
20:21 <Mkbkd> serv BAN ME
20:21 <spidey> lmao
20:21 <xfroggy> y menya etovo shrifta nety
20:21 <Mkbkd> =_=
20:21 <xfroggy> =\
20:21 <Mkbkd> blin figovo
20:21 <xfroggy> aga =\
20:22 <Mkbkd> HAL{
20:22 <Mkbkd> P*
20:22 <Canada> luke what now?
20:22 <Durka> why
20:22 <Mkbkd> nick 
20:22 <Mkbkd> BuGzi =_=
20:22 <Mkbkd> serv spam
20:23 <Durka> k
20:23 <Mkbkd> my nick triger bug alarm all time =_=
20:23 <Canada> Luke, are the logs saved on the computer?
20:23  * Mkbkd already change g=6 %)
20:28  * Mkbkd get unban
20:31 <luke-jr_> Canada: I don't know if your AIM version supports logging -.-
20:31 <ghableska> wow, it's crowded in here
20:31 <Canada> wouldnt the logs be on the computer?
20:32 <luke-jr_> if there are logs
20:32 <Canada> its just there are tons of stuff on my computer
20:32 <ghableska> luke-jr_: afaik, AIM has chat logs now
20:32 <luke-jr_> ghableska: he has 5.9
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20:33 <Canada> trying to see if it wouldnt search in itunes, cause theres ton of stuff in there
20:33 -!- Durka [n=Durka@cpe-76-167-238-228.socal.res.rr.com] has quit []
20:33 <Canada> i love my music :}
20:34 <luke-jr_> so what exactly did he say?
20:34 <Canada> dont tell anyone but i steal credit cards for a living
20:34 <Canada> and then he said lwl
20:34 <Canada> he cant spell lol
20:34 <luke-jr_> how did it come up?
20:35 <Canada> he wanted a empty bank account
20:35 <Canada> actually
20:35 <Canada> it came up because i asked him if he made his money selling drugs
20:35 -!- Nixda980 [n=59f1f3b6@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
20:35 <Canada> he said he made his money stealing credit cards
20:35 <luke-jr_> when was this?
20:35 <Canada> 2/20/07 i think
20:36 <Canada> actually
20:36 <Canada> i can check exact date, 1 sec
20:36 <Nixda980> hi
20:36 <Nixda980> qlooks like things are ok...
20:36 <[dlh]> 2020?
20:36 -!- Canada [n=Arma20@pool-72-75-33-178.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit ["Bye!"]
20:36 -!- Nixda980 is now known as i2020
20:37 <i2020> yes
20:37 <luke-jr_> 2/15/07 is when Google notified me of chargeback
20:39 -!- Arma38 [n=Arma38@pool-72-75-33-178.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #armagetron
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20:43 -!- David_ [n=David@pool-72-75-33-178.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit]
20:43 -!- Canada [n=David@pool-72-75-33-178.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #armagetron
20:43 <luke-jr_> 2/15/07 is when Google notified me of chargeback
20:43 <Canada> ?
20:43 <luke-jr_> ??
20:44 <Canada> Well, i know that on 2/20/07 is the day  i 'quit' (not really) then made plus and befriended hyphy
20:45 <Canada> Then i found out that then played plus until like friday, 3/3/07 then i played Canada
20:47 <Canada> You there?
20:47 <luke-jr_> ya
20:47 <Canada> kk
20:47 <Canada> Are the logs not there, or what?
20:47 <luke-jr_> AIM 5.9 doesn't seem to log
20:47 <luke-jr_> :/
20:47 <Canada> ok, that kind of sucks. but everyone knows Hyphy's an ass anyways
20:48 -!- Arma38 [n=Arma38@pool-72-75-33-178.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit ["Bye!"]
20:56 -!- Plus [n=David@pool-72-75-33-178.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #armagetron
20:56  * luke-jr_ pokes Plus / Canada 
20:56  * luke-jr_ got disconnected from VNC
20:57 <Plus> ah, kk what do i run to get you back on again
20:57  * epsy thinks java V§Nc clients sux
20:57 <epsy> *VNC
20:57  * Plus thinks epsy should stfu :P
20:57 <luke-jr_> Add New Client
20:57 <Plus> yep?
20:57 <luke-jr_> epsy: who said anything about java
20:57 <epsy> :P
20:57 <luke-jr_> #last --with two
20:57 <armabot> luke-jr_: [20:29:21] <luke-jr_> Host: two.tsurukikun.dashjr.org
20:58 <luke-jr_> Plus: u changed ur screen size :p
21:00 <Plus> what is gaim?
21:00 <luke-jr_> like aim
21:00 <luke-jr_> but it doesn't suck
21:00 <Plus> ah
21:00 <Plus> kk
21:00 <epsy> gaim sux...lol
21:01 <epsy> try to use jabber with it ...
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21:01 <mkzelda> in our match everyone is waiting for the winzone hehe
21:01 <luke-jr_> epsy: ?
21:03 <epsy> luke-jr_, ?
21:05 <Plus> i dont know the pass...
21:05 <Plus> lmao
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21:34 <i2020> wow...
21:34 <madmax|pt> :/
21:35 <epsy> ?
21:35 <i2020> thanks for playing max, legit, g5 zman, ... who else?
21:35 <i2020> qoh yes wrtl
21:35 <madmax|pt> could have been better
21:35 <zman> I died too often :(
21:35 <i2020> others in the team could ahve been... like me :)
21:35 <i2020> we all have to die sometime...
21:35 <madmax|pt> You need to practice zman :P
21:36 <epsy> damn where's the board
21:36 <[dlh]> status update: ?? beats |x|
21:36 <madmax|pt> good games anyway
21:36 <i2020> thanks again zman for the game...
21:36 <epsy> #last --with wiki
21:36 <armabot> epsy: [19:30:01] <[dlh]> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Ladle-9/Challenge_Board
21:36 <i2020> superb games...
21:36 <i2020> was it recorded?
21:36 <Lackadaisical> pfff
21:36 <Lackadaisical> incredibly laggy game
21:36 <madmax|pt> where was it?
21:36 <[dlh]> 2020's
21:36 <Lackadaisical> cycles werent updated for 3 seconds at atime
21:36 <pavelo> 2020's
21:36 <madmax|pt> :S
21:36 <i2020> there was a superb end of round showdown between you and psyko...
21:36 <pavelo> what's next ?
21:37 <Lackadaisical> who won?
21:37 <Lackadaisical> we are playing tui/freakz in zman
21:37 <madmax|pt> SP
21:37 <i2020> sp beat tm 2-1
21:37 <madmax|pt> hm, dont think it was recorded
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21:37 <[dlh]> That first match was a little iffy...
21:37 <epsy> so..oops vs SP
21:37 <i2020> what results are in...?
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21:38 <Lackadaisical> 2-1 ?? vs |x|
21:38 <_Sticky_> yup
21:38 <Lackadaisical> is oops playing?
21:38 <_Sticky_> very good game x vs ??
21:38 <[dlh]> um, according to the scheduled time, we were supposed to start awhile ago.
21:38 <[dlh]> for the semi finals
21:39 -!- Super_Duck [n=48c9461e@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
21:39 <[dlh]> Guess I'll just go to z-man's right now then...
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21:40 <Lackadaisical> its full
21:40 -!- zman is now known as z-man
21:40 <Lackadaisical> not really full
21:40 <i2020> what about the freaks and tui?
21:40 <Lackadaisical> but alot of people waiting till the match is done (freakz vs tui)
21:40 <epsy> damn, semi finals are, ?? vs ??, °° vs SP
21:40 <Lackadaisical> in third match
21:40 <epsy> ??
21:40 <z-man> ?? vs themselves?
21:40 <i2020> perhaps we should have losers games?
21:40 <Lackadaisical> lol no
21:40 <Lackadaisical> other team isnt known yet
21:41 <z-man> ah
21:41 <Lackadaisical> ?? vs tui/freakz
21:41 <z-man> we should reestablish the winzones, matches are taking too long ;)
21:41 <spidey> ew
21:41 <spidey> w/z sucks :P
21:41 <Lackadaisical> everybody is having a better defense these days
21:42 <Super_Duck> that would amke sp good then
21:42 <madmax|pt> "matches are taking too long"
21:42 <pavelo> i2020: problem is that losing team gets demotivated and disperges
21:42 <madmax|pt> indeed
21:42 <Lackadaisical> is sp already playing oops?
21:42 <spidey> from what i've seen, with w/z there's always people camping in the center waiting for it
21:42 <spidey> :P
21:42 <pavelo> its hard to organize game then
21:42 <i2020> true... maybe for next time...?
21:42 <madmax|pt> i think i got nervous with that patience round against kenny, it was taking damn long
21:42 <epsy> why not a dz...
21:42 <madmax|pt> and no 'risk' at all
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21:43 <Super_Duck> it was hellblades fault!
21:43  * epsy considers it isn't time to change cfg
21:43 <joda_bot> i2020: hi
21:43 <Super_Duck> lol
21:43 <i2020> hi
21:43 <madmax|pt> heh not really. but its annoying
21:43 <epsy> wb 
21:43 <joda_bot> i2020: is there any rule about playing for two teams ?
21:43 <joda_bot> I just want to make sure
21:43 <i2020> true... regarding the defence taking so long... such good players... amazing
21:43 <joda_bot> I won't play for SP because I played for TM
21:43 <i2020> don't think so...
21:43 <joda_bot> so that would be fine ?
21:43 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig cockpit_file
21:43 <armabot> wrtlprnft: COCKPIT_FILE: File that contains the information for rendering cockpit gauges (default: Anonymous/standard-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml)
21:43 <i2020> no..., go ahead... nice to have a full 8v8 game
21:44 <joda_bot> k
21:44 <joda_bot> hmmm
21:44 <i2020> less rules the better.. : )
21:44 <madmax|pt> when it takes too long I just have to ... DO something >.<
21:44 <i2020> thanks joda :)
21:44 <madmax|pt> well, sometimes that goes badly though
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21:44 <i2020> i know... exciting to watch...
21:44 <madmax|pt> who's playing SS now?
21:44 <Lackadaisical> noone yet
21:45 <i2020> the tui freaks must have started late...
21:45 <Lackadaisical> tui or freaks
21:45 <Lackadaisical> we started late too
21:45 <i2020> qlike, really late
21:45 <i2020> could be an hour behind....
21:45 <[dlh]> tui is going to win.
21:45 <pavelo> if we're about to start, please let me know
21:46 <Pez> they still on first match?
21:46 <i2020> who is you pav...?
21:46 <Lackadaisical> third
21:46 <Pez> ok
21:46 <Lackadaisical> somethingsomething
21:46 <i2020> still....? wow...
21:46 <i2020> ah
21:46 <pavelo> i2020: ??
21:46 <Lackadaisical> since the spoon :P
21:46 <[dlh]> match is over...
21:46 <madmax|pt> dinner. good luck on the next matches
21:46 <Lackadaisical> ok lets go
21:46 <Lackadaisical> bon apetit max
21:46 <i2020> good dinner to you mad, you deserve it...
21:46 <Mkbkd> yaaahhooo %$)
21:47 <i2020> so, what's the result for freaks and tui?
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21:47 <Mkbkd> tui 2 fk 1
21:47 <Durka> hi
21:47 <Durka> ftw
21:48 <wrtlprnft> the result of sp vs oops will probably 2:0
21:48 <epsy> Durka, so ?
21:48 <Durka> ...
21:48 <epsy> -.- <Mkbkd> tui 2 fk 1
21:48 <z-man> Team ?? please assemble on my server!
21:48 <epsy> damn i'm still stuck on that CMS thing...
21:49 <i2020> challenge board changed... :)
21:49 <spidey> ewww @ cms
21:49 <spidey> :P
21:49 <Durka> z-man: did u get what i said about the winzone?
21:49 <i2020> say, zman, do you play often?
21:49 <i2020> actually, where is the winzone?
21:50 <Lucifer_arma>  /team I'm a torpedo!
21:50 <Lucifer_arma>  /team Me too!
21:50 <[dlh]> hah
21:50 <i2020> ???
21:50 <spidey> rofl
21:52 <wrtlprnft> i'll bet 50 quid on 2:0 for sp.
21:52 <Super_Duck> duh everyone knows they suck xD
21:52 <spidey> lol
21:52  * spidey needs to play fort more
21:52  * spidey sucks
21:53 <spidey> :O
21:53 <epsy> gtg now...
21:54 <wrtlprnft> woot!
21:54 <wrtlprnft> °°ps won a round.
21:54 <_Sticky_> whats the latest then??
21:54 <mkzelda> Durka: where are you?
21:54 <epsy> cya
21:54 <_Sticky_> so oops ve tui atm??
21:55 <[dlh]> i2020, what are the rules for when one team has more players?
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21:55 <Super_Duck> oops double grinder keeps dieing cus they grind too hard on them xD
21:56 <_Sticky_> so the remaining teams are tui,(oops/sp) and ss then??
21:57 <Super_Duck> yeah but oops wont be remaining very long
21:57 <wrtlprnft> [dlh]: i think every team can have up to 8 players, regardless of the other team's size
21:57 <wrtlprnft> °°ps are out.
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21:58 <digitx> hey
21:59 <digitx> :)
21:59 <wrtlprnft> hi
22:00 <wrtlprnft> just in time for the ladle finals
22:00 <digitx> yakuake rulz
22:00 <digitx> :D
22:00 <i2020> what was the result of the oop sp game...?
22:02 <wrtlprnft> 2:0
22:02 <wrtlprnft> for sp
22:03 <wrtlprnft> it was slaughter.
22:03 <i2020> you get the answer dlh? the idea is for the teams to sort it out between themselves... if the team with more want to reduce their number out of a sense of fair play they can, but are not forced to
22:03 <i2020> oh thanks wrtl... and you managed to admin and play this time pretty well.... or am i mistaken?
22:05 <spidey> <3 chicken
22:05 <spidey> :O
22:06 <spidey> i2020, that's a bad idea :P
22:06 <spidey> look how the tourny ady-lucifer hosted turned out, teams where totally stacked, and most hated it :P
22:07 <Lucifer_arma> and ran at a time that essentially put any non-european team at a severe disadvantage
22:07 <Lucifer_arma> and ran on a server that put any non-european team at a severe disadvantage
22:07 <spidey> at most
22:07 <Lucifer_arma> and anybody who complained was a wussy American whiner
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22:08 <spidey> the team with more players should be allowed to only play with the amount of players the team with less signed up with, regaurdless of how many players the team with less actually got on the server
22:08 <Lucifer_arma> I think the ladle, afaik, has a good alternative to the problem by letting people recruit teammates at the last minute
22:08 <spidey> yea
22:09 <Lucifer_arma> so the team with less players can still field as many, and for people who play together often, it should work out most of the time
22:09 <cyclo> hey, will zman open the server before sp match starts??
22:09 <cyclo> yödl btw xD
22:09 <Lucifer_arma> the twc explicitly forbade last minute recruiting
22:09 <spidey> and is why it failed horribly
22:09 <spidey> because noone likes to play 4 vs 12
22:10 <i2020> i don't see the need for inventing these rules...
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> exactly.  :)  It would have been nice if a good handicap system had been worked out
22:10 <i2020> just leave it to the players to sort it out :)
22:10 <i2020> max of 8 players...
22:10 <spidey> that's the best way
22:10 <i2020> most players are reasonable...
22:10 <spidey> but ady didn't think so :P
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> well, that's the fundamental difference between twc and ladle.  twc made a bunch of rules that forbid teams from doing things, ladle leaves it up to the players
22:11 <Lucifer_arma> you'll note that you're playing ladle 9 now, and the second twc has been a start and stop affair, mostly stop
22:11 <i2020> yes... that was the original idea... self-organisation... it is based on trust
22:11 <Lucifer_arma> you got it going, i2020, now we just need more players.  :)
22:11 <i2020> and i have been late to these things recently, and it seems to be running pretty well
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> I'd be willing to bet that you could disappear for a couple of months, and ladles 10 and 11 would still run ;)
22:12 <i2020> yes, i believe that's the basic problem now... we have a bunch of skilled players, and new players just get wasted too easily and kicked in informal games
22:12 <i2020> is that an offer luci?
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> no!
22:12 <spidey> andhaha
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> at least, it's not an offer for *me* to do anything :)
22:12 <spidey> -and
22:13 <i2020> :)
22:13 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, Lackadaisical (hi there!) : whenever you find a few minutes, would you mind updating the KOTG blurb page I made to have actual useful information on it?
22:13 <spidey> i volunteer wrtlprnft for the job
22:13 <spidey> :D:D
22:13 <cyclo> :(  zman's is still closed
22:13  * Lucifer_arma hopes he didn't just cause lack to die in a ladle match
22:13 <i2020> yes, the problem, is the skill gap... it is about as large from a noob to me as it is from me to madmax -- just crazy...
22:13 <spidey> lol 
22:13 <Lackadaisical> MaZuffeR: z-mansi did?
22:14 <Lucifer_arma> i2020: I think we'll have something resembling a fix in time.  It's on my todo list that when we have settled on scripting, I want to write ais for fortress play
22:14 <Lucifer_arma> then it would be nice to run a humans vs ai tournament, because we'll have the reference players z-man wants for good stats!  ;)
22:14 <i2020> ... handicap system... hmmm... like in go... there is a brilliant handicap system... hmmmm
22:15 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, make me a afk bot that pwns :D
22:15 <cyclo> lack -> are you inside z-man server?
22:15 <Lucifer_arma> basically, in the twc, we played 5 v 9 or something like that, and the first two matches were hardcore struggles with the other team barely winning each round
22:15 <i2020> wow, yes, ai's playing...
22:15 <Lucifer_arma> they wound up winning the matches with respectable margins, but they had to work for every round
22:15 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, we did awesome in that game
22:16 <spidey> concidering the odds
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> a good handicap system would have given us one of the matches at least, possibly the whole game
22:16 <spidey> if the teams where even they'd lost every round
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> and woud have made it more fun for us :)
22:16 <i2020> when i was walking to the cafe i am playing in, i was thinking i would play with madmax... just us two against all of the sp... i was psyching myself up...
22:17 <cyclo> anyways Lackadaisical _> if u read this tell z-man to unlock his server pls
22:18 <i2020> you guys haven't let much info on the tronic progression... it's related to the idea of getting new players in... once that is sorted out, if we hit on some genius idea, i suspect this will stay pretty small
22:18 <z-man> unlocked
22:18 <cyclo> thx :x
22:18 <z-man> wait, arent' you on SP?
22:18 <i2020> good luck sp
22:18 <cyclo> ya
22:18 <cyclo> did it start?
22:18 <z-man> no, not yet
22:18 <cyclo> oh sorry then
22:18 <cyclo> rxD
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> ?  can you rewrite that sentence in more american english?  ;)
22:19 <z-man> I'll give a notice here when it starts
22:19 <cyclo> ok thx
22:19 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, whose?
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> i2020's
22:19 <spidey> i understood it..
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> I thought I did, but it happens to have the britishisms that manage to confuse me from time to time :/
22:20 <spidey> he's saying unless something big happens, it will stay a small tourny every ladle
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> ok, the first part
22:20 <cyclo> ever thought on how we could get sponsors for arma?
22:20 <i2020> hehehe yes... thanks for the translation
22:20 <i2020> what's the something big?
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> no, the part that says "You guys haven't let much info..."
22:21 <i2020> left...
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> ah, typo, then?  ;)
22:21 <i2020> sorry, spelling mistake....
22:21 <spidey> noone's spreading the word? :O
22:21  * madmax|pt loves the aftermath of the ladles
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> I've given you guys everything I know, sorry.  :/
22:21 <i2020> heheh why madmax... the chaos on the servers? or the chat afterwards...
22:21 <madmax|pt> the chat
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> I think what you're finding is that without a really big idea, you're going to need coding support to push it up a bit
22:22 <madmax|pt> usually, wise things are said
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> I've got some ideas, but not enough time to implement them
22:22 <i2020> heheh... yes... i usually end up really fucked off... but even though we lost today, i feel ok... 
22:22 <madmax|pt> it was a good effort :)
22:22 <i2020> i don't think it is a technical thing, luci, with respect...
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> not surprisingly, the coding support I'm wanting to offer (or talk someone else into offering) is in the form of extensions to mediawiki
22:22 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft:  once the match is done, can SP get room for Sasha, Xell, me and Dopey (not sure who he is)
22:22 <Super_Duck> u playin next ladle too madmax?
22:23 <joda_bot> but we got 4 players who can't join the server right now
22:23 <joda_bot> z-man-work: z-man: wrtlprnft: got me ?
22:23 <madmax|pt> dont know yet. if i have the time, i think so
22:23 <cyclo> btw max nice def in 1st match
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> i2020: I'm thinking more tournaments besides the ladle to offer more variety is what's needed, and to help push that we need more support for people organizing tournaments
22:23 <i2020> you are going to be the most sought after player...
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, more tournaments in general should feed back into one another
22:24 <cyclo> do u guys know the -elo- rating system from chess? it could be nice to implement somthing alike for arma
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> the problem with coding support is that once it's there, it requires a programmer to change.  The nice thing about how the ladle is using the wiki is that you can tweak your methods every time
22:25 <i2020> good idea luci... i passed the idea past crazy tronners to produce a similar ladle thing with their server settings.... but they haven't carried the idea...
22:25  * Lucifer_arma has been following the ladle feedbacks, in case nobody's guessed, to see what he can do to the wiki to help
22:25  * madmax|pt would love to playt a small team fortress championship
22:25 <i2020> for me, i think the fortress settings are classic, but you know what my thoughts are about it already...
22:26  * Lucifer_arma thinks 3 v 3 are the best games :)
22:26 <madmax|pt> and yes, championship, not one day knockout
22:26 <[dlh]> update: tui 0 -- ?? 2
22:26 <Lucifer_arma> so you want a regular seed round like we did the with spoon?
22:26 <i2020> i think a league would be good... perhaps kings of the grid might float...
22:27 <madmax|pt> yes like a league
22:27 <Lackadaisical> maybe we should do a league instead of kings of the grid
22:27 <i2020> thanks dlh... that's it over, isn't it?
22:27 <z-man> Server is open, SP join!!!!!
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> if we could get lack to quit disappearing, kotg has a lot of potential.  THere's definitely a lot of interest in it.
22:27 <Mkbkd> =_=
22:27 <xfroggy> ossi :)
22:27 <cyclo> i think 5 vs 5 is optimal -> center def, 2 doublebinders + 2 support wingers
22:27 <madmax|pt> hm, more in the sumo ladder I'd say
22:27 <Mkbkd> PIIIIIII(cenzored)
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> for large team fortress, I agree, 5 v 5 is optimal, but I think 3 v 3 is more fun
22:27 <Mkbkd> kazlbl >_<
22:28 <Lackadaisical> it was kinda of an idea of mine to start with the sumo ladder because its easier to get individuals hooked than groups
22:28 <Mkbkd> baranbl
22:28 <z-man> Server is open, SP join!!!!!
22:28 <madmax|pt> and what a nice idea it turned out :D
22:28 <z-man> Server is open, SP join!!!!!
22:28 <z-man> Server is open, SP join!!!!!
22:28 <z-man> Server is open, SP join!!!!!
22:28 <cyclo> ya, but sumo ladder is tough for people who organize it, i think a rating system like in chess could be implemented for "rated servers"
22:28 <z-man> Shouting a bit, sorry, don't want your chat to keep SP from listening
22:29 <i2020> heheh ok zman
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: np.  :)
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> we don't want our chat to interfere with the ladle either, I'm sure
22:29 <cyclo> rlol
22:29 <i2020> guys... think classic... there is a reason it is 8v8...
22:29 <madmax|pt> are you talking about Elo's cyclo? luke-jr_  was doing something about that...
22:29 <Lackadaisical> because 16 players used to be the max slots?
22:29 <i2020> the smaller settings are like.... play games...
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, most servers can't handle 16 players, it used to be a hardcoded maximum, and split into two teams makes it 8 v 8
22:29 <i2020> base 2
22:29 <Lackadaisical> i think smaller teams could work on a smaller map
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> the 8 v 8 layout was mostly caused by technical needs, heh
22:29 <Lackadaisical> work better
22:29 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: it's still hardcoded :P
22:30 <madmax|pt> 2020... but its hard to gather 8 players often
22:30 <i2020> sure, like indoor football/soccer
22:30 <madmax|pt> and smaller teams → more teams. more diversity I'd say
22:30 <i2020> i agree madmax, but rather than be defeated by that, i think the game is good enough... i think we should be thinking about getting more players in...
22:30 <madmax|pt> perhaps less one sided games too
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> and more likelihood of each team being able to field their whole team
22:30 <i2020> the game is classic... got the right degree of complexity...
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> well, i2020, this goes back to what I was saying earlier.  More tournaments/competitions would feed back on each other.
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> So you guys keep the ladle as you want it, let's get some other competitions going, and it'll feed back into the ladle and vice versa
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22:31 <Lucifer_arma> if everyone just copies the ladle, what's the point of playing anybody's competition in particular?
22:32 <wrtlprnft> TST tournament and kotg (sumo 1v1) are already going on
22:32 <i2020> yes... the trick is though, it will only be the same players.... we need to work out a way of inviting more players into fortress...
22:32 <Durka> 2020
22:32 <Durka> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=148361#148361
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> if someone runs a ctf tournament, I'll bet it would be a different group of players
22:32 <Lackadaisical> we need to work out a way of inviting more players into fortress... <- really ture
22:32  * madmax|pt agrees
22:33 <Durka> !!!!! AHHHH http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=148361#148361
22:33 <Durka> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=148361#148361
22:33 <i2020> yes.. i agree luci... they just haven't set one up...
22:33 <Durka> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=148361#148361
22:33 <madmax|pt> its a tricky objective ><
22:33  * Durka :-(
22:33 <i2020> durka... thanks for the first post, but... there is an american server... you just need to place your team on it on the challenge board...
22:34 <Durka> we have
22:34 <Durka> but ppl refused to play us in there
22:34 <madmax|pt> ...whats the % of rubber/fortress players?
22:34 <Durka> 110/-10
22:34 <i2020> i agree madmax, but that's it... and we can hum and ha, and change what i think is a classic game... but the fact is... playing fortress is intimidating.... and well it should be -- your skills are awesome
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> maybe if the european players would be less whiny about their pings?
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22:35 <madmax|pt> indeed
22:35 <Durka> and what about semi-finals/finals in us server
22:35 <xfroggy> lmao, that was fun
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> the other solution, Durka, is to add more variety to your team
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> get some europeans on your team, basically ;)
22:35 <madmax|pt> i don't that much of a difference playing sumo on a wild west server
22:35 <xfroggy> Lucifer_arma, you mean get rid of US players and replace them by europeans?
22:35 <Durka> because currenly the only us server is wild west
22:36 <Durka> and we would only get to play in that in the quarter finals
22:36 <madmax|pt> of course you usually can't risk as much...
22:36 <Durka> but this is the 1st ladle in a long time that we had a quarter finals
22:36 <luke-jr_> FWIW, I have Elo and Glicko-2 implemented to varying degrees
22:36 <luke-jr_> currently all as post-processing
22:36 <luke-jr_> just finished a PHP libGlicko2 :)
22:36 <luke-jr_> well, "finished" as in it works
22:36 <madmax|pt> acronym level up!
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22:37 <luke-jr_> what acronym??
22:37 -!- Nixda980 is now known as i2020
22:37 <i2020> ouch
22:37 <madmax|pt> fwiw?
22:37 <luke-jr_> For What It's Worth
22:37 <i2020> did you get the last message...? hiccup online
22:37  * Lucifer_arma pines for the days when it was americans that were whiny about their pings
22:37 <madmax|pt> yes, I found out what it was, so, level up
22:37 <luke-jr_> :p
22:38 <luke-jr_> my tournament will solve the i18n problem!
22:38 <i2020> can we determine what the shelf-life of the game is... wrt the different server styles...?
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> the one you put Hyphy in charge of?
22:38 <luke-jr_> I didn't put Hyphy in charge of anythinbg
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> well, swampland's still going strong...
22:38 <luke-jr_> i2020: eh?
22:38 <luke-jr_> by having 2-3 servers: US, Europe, and maybe Aussie
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22:39 <i2020> i mean... if someone plays rubber, how long do they play before they get bored and stop playing...?
22:39 <digitx> -
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22:39 <i2020> as compared to a fortress player?
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> I have to admit, I'm more interested in ctf these days, and I'd like to get hte hang of styball
22:39 <luke-jr_> and combining the stats for Glicko-2
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> but so many ctf players are asshats...  :/
22:39 <luke-jr_> RESPAWN!!
22:39 <madmax|pt> RERERE OMG RE
22:39 <luke-jr_> i mean
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22:39 <wrtlprnft> ww ctf isn't playable for me
22:39 <luke-jr_> 0x000000RESPAWN!!!
22:39 <digitx> #seen epsy
22:39 <armabot> digitx: epsy was last seen in #armagetron 45 minutes and 6 seconds ago: <epsy> cya
22:39 <madmax|pt> that's already a classic ><
22:39 <i2020> ok... so why not set up a ladle for those two... or something equivalent for those server types?
22:40 <i2020> for me, i am a fortress addict...
22:40  * luke-jr_ is setting up a single-player tourney
22:40 <wrtlprnft> what about a race around the track tourney?
22:40 <i2020> if there is a comp for others, i would probably play too
22:40 <Lucifer_arma> hey, how about wrtlprnft run a tourney for his race server :)
22:40 <luke-jr_> hehe
22:40 <i2020> completely mad hehhe
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> what we really need, and now have enough servers to do, is an Armolympics
22:41 <luke-jr_> how does race work anyhow?
22:41 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: I thought of that a number of month ago, actually
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> you make a team and have it compete in a series of events
22:41 <Durka> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=148391#148391
22:41 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: actually voodoo suggested it
22:41 <i2020> look... what we need is more players! 
22:41  * luke-jr_ doesn't like team competitions tho
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: I still beat you to it, I've been talking off and on about an olympic-style tournament since I started playing
22:41 <Durka> i never see euro players oon ctf
22:41 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: just join and see for yourself?
22:41 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: yeah, but I actually made some specs for it
22:41 <madmax|pt> i think we need... hmm... committed rubber players
22:41 <wrtlprnft> Durka: it's because it's unplayable
22:42 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: that's because the only ctf servers are american, and europeans whine about their pings...
22:42 <Durka> why is it unplayable? o_O
22:42 <Durka> seems just fine for me...
22:42 <wrtlprnft> if you see the shot 300 ms after it's spawned you can't dodge it
22:42 <Lucifer_arma> madmax|pt: I think we need to commit rubber players
22:42 <wrtlprnft> and there's some weird bugs
22:42 <luke-jr_> shot != ctf
22:42 <Durka> wrtl
22:42 <wrtlprnft> ctf w/o shooting = boring
22:42 <Lucifer_arma> no, ctf shooting is pretty boring, imo.  It was a nice novelty one night
22:42 <Durka> stop downloading pr0n
22:42 <Durka> theres no reason u should have 300 ping
22:43 <luke-jr_> someone just needs to fix CTF into 0.3 so 0.3.2 can have a sane CTF
22:43 <Durka> where do u live
22:43 <luke-jr_> allow zones to be positioned based on player location
22:43 <Lucifer_arma> #seen n54
22:43 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: n54 was last seen in #armagetron 37 weeks, 6 days, 19 hours, 2 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <n54> hi mom :)
22:43 <luke-jr_> (or is that already in Zones v2?)
22:43 <wrtlprnft> munich
22:43 <i2020> i liked styball setting too actually... got that tag-thing going on...
22:43 <madmax|pt> well, one thing is certain i think. a player organizing a competition for his own playing style is valuable
22:44 <i2020> more players more players more players hehehe
22:44 <Durka> wrtl
22:44 <Durka> ping me
22:44 <i2020> yes madmax... a whole bunch of players setting up comps for the servers they like.... 
22:44 <Durka> #host
22:44 <Durka> #echo $host
22:44 <armabot> cpe-76-167-238-228.socal.res.rr.com
22:45 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i know
22:45 <wrtlprnft> i can /whois, you know? :P
22:45 <Durka> lemme ping u
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> that ping is going to give a number that's an order of magnitude lower than the corresponding arma ping
22:45 <wrtlprnft> i know
22:45 <Durka> but its still similar
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's not similar
22:45 <Durka> its not 10000 off
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> we've beat this around too much.
22:45 <wrtlprnft> Durka: your router/whatever is not responding to pings.
22:45 <i2020> more players more players more players !!!!!!
22:46 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: tell Durka that he sucks because he's filtering pings.
22:46 <Durka> lol
22:46 <Durka> xD
22:46 <i2020> once i get into a school for a while, i will set up a school team...
22:46 <wrtlprnft> --- cpe-76-167-238-228.socal.res.rr.com ping statistics ---
22:46 <wrtlprnft> 38 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 37003ms
22:46 <madmax|pt> well, how to commit rubber players into organizing their own competitions? and... how many rubber competitions have already been done?
22:46 <Durka> haha!
22:46 <i2020> once that happens... this thing is going to rocket...
22:46 <Lucifer_arma> madmax|pt: no, I meant commit them to state institutions
22:46 <i2020> imagine you clowns getting beaten by a bunch of kids...
22:46 <Lucifer_arma> madmax|pt: for insisting that "rubber" is a gametype, when it's really just a mechanism to get players to quit whining about their pings
22:47 <i2020> what's the better word luci?
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> i2020: quit trying to hit a homerun.  :)  Base hits win games...
22:47 <wrtlprnft> oh, believe me, with instant kills people *are* whining about their pings
22:47 <Durka> no way rubber players could organize a tournament like the ladle
22:47 <Durka> theres this guy qbrain
22:47 <luke-jr_> Durka: filtering pings? you suck
22:47 <madmax|pt> well, the fact is, there's a lot of servers with _lots_ of rubber
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> higher rubber just makes more lag, it's pretty ironic really
22:47 <Durka> tried to organize a tournament
22:47 <Durka> 1vs1 and 2vs2
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> madmax|pt: yes, and they have serious lag issues because of it
22:47 <Durka> to take place over a period of time
22:48 <Durka> and its been going on 1.5 months and only 1 match was supposed to be played
22:48 <Durka> i mean only 1 has  been
22:48 <Durka> it was supposed to be over already
22:48 <i2020> it needs standards... look at any game in history... chess wouldn't have survived if there were a million variations being planned all the time, with 4 pawns, on a 7x7 board etc etc etc
22:48 <Lucifer_arma> well, I know that some of the clans run tournaments, like SP and Xzl anyway
22:49 <Lucifer_arma> Id like the news and results of every tournament, even if it's a private tournament, showing on the wiki in one place
22:49 <Lucifer_arma> just saying "Hey, look, we do fun things!" will help attract players
22:49 <madmax|pt> yeah
22:49 <i2020> there needs to be something like tron film... just two teams of eg 3v3 with no zones... and a set rubber acceleration etc standard...
22:49 <i2020> agreed luci...
22:49 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, i could report fa matches when we start them
22:49 <spidey> :P
22:49 <_Sticky_> any result yet??
22:49 <i2020> we have a problem with this sport... it's not visible...
22:50 <Lucifer_arma> can't have a rubber standard, the best rubber setting for the same gameplay varies by server
22:50 <wrtlprnft> tron? no rubber, no cycle_accel, impossible gameplay?
22:50 <i2020> its hard to spectate...
22:50 <Lucifer_arma> it's th enature of rubber...
22:50 <madmax|pt> its probably pretty hard to take away the rubber from some players.... look at those random players that come into Café and say "just 5 rubber!?!?!?"
22:50 <i2020> and recordings have got harder for some reason...
22:50 <wrtlprnft> madmax|pt: actually i haven't seen one of those for quite a while
22:50 <digitx> wrtl
22:50 <digitx> go ps ?
22:50 <madmax|pt> hm, I have
22:50 <Lucifer_arma> madmax|pt: we need to educate people on what rubber is for, because 5 rubber on cafe means something different than 5 rubber on my server
22:50 <i2020> wrtl: i mean the two team thing... tut
22:50 <Lucifer_arma> the actual number really does mean different things on different servers
22:51 <Durka> Lucifer_arma: there hasnt been a rubber tournmaent...
22:51 <madmax|pt> and a good way to share the thoughts...
22:51 <digitx> wrtlprnft: go ps arena ?
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> to properly clone eggcozy's server, I had to bump rubber up a little :/
22:51 <spidey> what i don't get is
22:51 <i2020> ...btw there must be an easier way to separate out the threads of the conversation so we can chat simultaneously on different topics.... a simple interface...
22:51 <spidey> why people think 25 rubber is different than 5, with the right settings they can be almost the same
22:51 <spidey> like one of the settings on our server, 5 rubber, slow speed..similar to swampland
22:52 <spidey> the rubber usage is closely compared to a 25 rubber server at higher speed
22:52 <madmax|pt> would you say there's a centralized way to get "facts" out? I mean... Some don't see the official forum... some don't know the wiki exists...
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> i2020: why should there be?  heh.  Go to any social group with 5+ people and just watch how people switch threads...
22:52 <Durka> 25 packets transmitted, 25 packets received, 0% packet loss
22:52 <Durka> round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 192.748/196.934/202.584/2.405 ms
22:52 <i2020> madmax... you are right... an easier way to communcate thoughts... hmmm...
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> madmax|pt: there isn't, and there's unfortunate historical reasons for that.
22:53 <luke-jr_> 142 lines thus far for libGlicko2
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> suggestions are welcome, but I'm trying to direct all competitions to be posted on the Competition Hub, and trying to make it as easy as I can to do so
22:53 <luke-jr_> SD's site?
22:53 <i2020> ok luci, but i would like to have this conversation, which is a meta-conversation about conversation, in a separate window with a different colour... like a sticky... a shared sticky conversation
22:53 <madmax|pt> historical reasons?
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> madmax|pt: yeah, historically there hasn't been any such thing, and we're trying to create it, but fighting inertia :)
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> oops, gotta go, bbiab
22:54 <i2020> bye
22:54 <Durka> bye
22:54 <luke-jr_> ...
22:54 <spidey> hi
22:55 <madmax|pt> it comes down to tough objectives
22:55 <i2020> i think the rubber community need to standardise a setting... out of all the ways of moving the body, there are different dance forms... so there must be a highish rubber setting which attracts most players...
22:55 <i2020> tough objectives...? what do you mean?
22:56 <madmax|pt> like the centralized communication
22:56 <Durka> xzl is the most popular high rubber server
22:56 <i2020> nope... don't follow... sorry... what do you mean?
22:56  * Durka has the settings :o
22:57 <i2020> xzl... so... is there something about it which is well designed?
22:57 <Durka> not really
22:57 <madmax|pt> perhaps all we need is a guiding guru
22:57 <madmax|pt> lol
22:57 <Durka> the admins are retarded
22:58 <Durka> and the amount of rubber is weird
22:58 <Durka> 28
22:58 <Durka> why not 30
22:58 <i2020> zman should invent one... he's pretty good at it imho
22:58 <Lackadaisical> are you guys gonna make a summary of this chat?
22:58 <madmax|pt> i2020: I mean, gathering a whole community around specific objectives is pretty tough IMO
22:59 <i2020> sorry, i lost the first half... anyway... 
22:59 <i2020> you can't... madmax...
22:59 <i2020> however, if you put a crazy enough objective as a goal... it's kind of fun seeing people trying to achieve it... if you see what i mean...?
23:00 <madmax|pt> like the crazy 1.000.000 players competition? :D
23:00 <i2020> it's not about an agreed agenda... or even a realistic goal... just aim...
23:00 <i2020> yes... hehehe thanks hehehe
23:01 <i2020> what comes to mind right now, is asking an arrow if it can conceive of hitting the target.... it can't... it's far too far away wrt the length of the arrow.... however... there is a bow... hehe
23:01 <i2020> the trick is... what is the bow, wrt a bunch of people and fortress etc...
23:02 <i2020> i am going to try with schools over this next year...
23:02 <i2020> if schools pick it up... maths departments... i think you could get something as popular as football...
23:02 <i2020> that's my guess hehe
23:02 <i2020> oops you seem to have provoked a verbal spillage...
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23:05 <i2020> seem to have killed everyone...
23:06 <wrtlprnft> lol
23:06 <i2020> so.... um.... is the final going on...?
23:06  * i2020 twiddles his thumbs
23:06 <[dlh]> yes
23:06 <[dlh]> tied 1 : 1
23:06 <i2020> it would be nice to watch the final while chatting...
23:07 <i2020> a mirror thing must be possible...
23:07  * i2020 muses more to himself than to anyone in particular...
23:08 <madmax|pt> I think I must infiltrate myself into 'last man standing' games to get know the community...
23:08 <madmax|pt> undercover... hmm...
23:08 <i2020> heheheh... sending one of our best in there...
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23:10 <Durka> ya dont disgrace your name
23:10 <madmax|pt> heh
23:10 <Durka> some of them are actually decent o_O
23:10 <i2020> btw... anyone here want to do a one on one kotg match?
23:10 <madmax|pt> the decent ones should get the word out
23:11 <Durka> lol
23:11 <Durka> xzl frozen is a popular one
23:12 <i2020> my god there are 26 people in the finals!!!
23:12 <i2020> doesn't spectating slow things down?
23:12 <i2020> can i enter?
23:12 <Durka> heh
23:12 <madmax|pt> its probably ending...
23:12 <digitx> AH, USING IRSSI
23:12 <digitx> NO
23:12 <Durka> 1-1
23:12 <madmax|pt> #serverinfo Z-man
23:12 <spidey> get the word out on what, madmax|pt ?
23:12 <armabot> madmax|pt: Z-Man's Tournament Fortress, Tornament going on.: Players (25/32): ~*SP*~joda.bot, -+$P+-<y<lo, G5, H.A.K, Imagine, Legit, Wasn'tMeISwear!, [??] pavelo, [??]Lack, [??]MaZuffeR, [??]nemostultae, [??]newbÎd, [??]Pez, [ADMIN]Z-Man, _~+*({SP})*+~_, ~*HeLlBlAdE*~, ~*SATAN*~, ~*SP*~ ØMÊgÀ, ~*SP*~oO.k3nNy, ~*SP*~PsYkO, ~*SP*~Sasha, ~*SP*~viper~3~, ¦Ö¦Sticky, °°@shitakA, °°qain
23:13 <digitx> epiC4 :PP
23:13 <digitx> ah, got rid of that capslock
23:13 <digitx> wrtlprnft: you suck.
23:13 <digitx> heh ..
23:13 <digitx> xD vnc
23:13 <madmax|pt> on ways to improve armagetron, competition wise
23:13  * spidey notes between him and wizz, there's noone in tron we don't know
23:13 <spidey> :P
23:14 <i2020> more players more player more players.... or have i already said that...?
23:14 <Durka> do you know dØrKå
23:14 <i2020> no way
23:14 <madmax|pt> yep i2020 :P
23:14 <i2020> oh ok
23:14 <spidey> #last --with more players --from i2020 --nolimit
23:14 <armabot> spidey: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)
23:14 <spidey> :O
23:14 <spidey> #last --from i2020  --with more players --nolimit
23:14 <armabot> spidey: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)
23:14 <spidey> :O
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23:14 <spidey> omfg
23:14 <madmax|pt> lol
23:14  * spidey stabs armabot
23:14 <i2020> are you being clever spidey?
23:15 <spidey> trying...yes
23:15 <spidey> #last --from i2020 --with more players --nolimit
23:15 <armabot> spidey: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)
23:15 <spidey> wtf
23:15 <madmax|pt> #last --with "more players" --from i2020 --nolimit
23:15 <armabot> madmax|pt: [23:25:19] <i2020> more players more player more players.... or have i already said that...?, [22:57:04] <i2020> more players more players more players !!!!!!, [22:55:10] <i2020> more players more players more players hehehe, [22:52:35] <i2020> look... what we need is more players!, [22:43:12] <i2020> yes... the trick is though, it will only be the same players.... we need to work out a (1 more message)
23:15 <spidey> i hate you
23:15 <spidey> :(
23:15 <madmax|pt> #more
23:15 <armabot> madmax|pt: way of inviting more players into fortress..., and [22:41:49] <i2020> i agree madmax, but rather than be defeated by that, i think the game is good enough... i think we should be thinking about getting more players in...
23:15 <i2020> ok ok ha ha...
23:16 <madmax|pt> oh crap, I said it too
23:16 <madmax|pt> :D
23:17  * spidey is gonna have fun
23:17 <madmax|pt> well, saying it often doesnt make it untrue
23:17  * spidey has to go through about 30+ files and change {U_INDEX} to a link
23:17 <spidey> don't you love how phpbb2 can't do things the simple way :(
23:18 <spidey> h
23:18 <spidey> hm, maybe not...
23:18  * spidey searches the database for U_INDEX
23:19 <madmax|pt> was the XMPP thing something about getting armagetron's output to IRC?
23:20 <madmax|pt> luke-jr_
23:20 <luke-jr_> ?
23:20 <luke-jr_> one use would be using IRC for a server's chatroom
23:20 <madmax|pt> oh that was it
23:21 <i2020> yes...?
23:21 <madmax|pt> I was thinking of something like real time stats on a webpage about a match being played
23:22 <luke-jr_> that could be possible
23:22 <luke-jr_> but not really high priority
23:23 <madmax|pt> that would come closer to the 'mirror' idea
23:23 <madmax|pt> if you can't see it, at least you know how's it going
23:24 <luke-jr_> what 'mirror' idea?
23:24 <i2020> yes yes yes
23:24 <madmax|pt> having a server mirroring a match only for spectators
23:24 <madmax|pt> or something like that >.<
23:24 <madmax|pt> your idea right i2020 ?
23:24 <luke-jr_> no, it really wouldn't come any closer :p
23:25 <madmax|pt> well, a _bit_ closer
23:25 <i2020> i think that is better than nothing...
23:26 <i2020> yeah... if we can get the players names... why not the scores too?
23:26 <luke-jr_> un
23:26 <luke-jr_> we already have both
23:26 <madmax|pt> how so?
23:26 <luke-jr_> players.txt?
23:27 <i2020> on the forum even...
23:27 <luke-jr_> Player:         Alive: Score: Ping: Member of Team:
23:27 <luke-jr_> øVø             No     2      71    øVø
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23:27 <madmax|pt> hm
23:28 <madmax|pt> so, the webpage with real time stats can be done?
23:28 <luke-jr_> sure
23:28 <luke-jr_> IIRC at least some servers do it
23:30 <[dlh]> finally over.
23:30 <madmax|pt> who won?
23:30 <[dlh]> ??
23:31 <madmax|pt> congrats :D
23:31 <i2020> there should be some kind of grats award event thing...
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23:31 <Lackadaisical> hi pez
23:31 <MaZuffeR> my headache got real bad towards the end :/
23:32 <Pez> hi
23:32 <Lackadaisical> and you still managed to get most points
23:32 <madmax|pt> 3:2 ? 3:1 ?
23:32 <i2020> score...
23:32 <Pez> asleep at the keyboard nearly
23:32 <Lackadaisical> 3:1
23:32 <z-man> man, what a marathon.
23:32 <z-man> we need the winzones back :)
23:32 <MaZuffeR> yeah, i find it a bit weird how i get points even if i feel like im playing like crap
23:32 <madmax|pt> we need players that risk more
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23:33 <z-man> that's because even if you feel you're playing like crap, you still play way above average.
23:33 <MaZuffeR> we need to get rid of the tail shrink imo
23:33 <madmax|pt> hm, why?
23:33 <Lackadaisical> it's just that the defenses on both sides are just too tough
23:33 <MaZuffeR> defending is way too easy with it
23:33 <cyclo> its true vs 1 attacker - but 2 attackers can push u back still
23:33 <luke-jr_> z-man: what do you think of Elo and Glicko-2?
23:34 <madmax|pt> true...
23:34 <z-man> Haven't heard about glicko-2
23:34 <madmax|pt> it gave a good advantage to defenders...
23:34 <z-man> elo is OK, but matches are non-commutative, same problem as with the builtin ladder
23:34 <cyclo> ya, just like soccer, u can use your hands ;)
23:34 <Pez> should be some adv to def. nut not a massive adv
23:34 <Pez> *but
23:35 <luke-jr_> z-man: It's like Elo, but adds rating deviation and rating volatility
23:35 <i2020> what about a timer...? with the goalie trying to survive as long as is necessary...?
23:35 <madmax|pt> perhaps reduce the value?
23:35 <cyclo> u talking about elo-ratings? cool
23:35 <luke-jr_> non-commutative?
23:35 <i2020> 5 points each team with a draw?
23:35 <z-man> non-commutative means the order of matches matters.
23:35 <cyclo> i dont know about multiplayer elo tho (more then 1vs1)
23:35 <luke-jr_> they do?
23:36 <cyclo> yes
23:36 <z-man> I think so, yes.
23:36 <cyclo> i played chess f years, tourneys n stuff
23:36 <luke-jr_> Glicko-2 can do multiplayer
23:36  * madmax|pt can hear luke-jr_ rewriting his script
23:36 <luke-jr_> though I think I'm finishing up the first multiplayer-capable implementation now
23:36 <i2020> thanks to admins
23:37 <i2020> thanks to all playrs
23:37 -!- Canada [n=484b21b2@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
23:37 <i2020> looks like we are getting the hang of things...
23:37 <i2020> bye
23:37 <cyclo> ya, once again (btw) thanks z-man for all the effort
23:37 <luke-jr_> hey Canada 
23:37 <madmax|pt> bye
23:37 <Canada> hey
23:37 <luke-jr_> forget I installed X-Chat for you?
23:38 <Canada> brb
23:38 <Canada> this computer doesnt have it, i'm not using my laptop
23:38 <z-man> cyclo: i'll pass that on to my wife, she's the one who is suffering :)
23:38 <cyclo> :(
23:38 -!- z-man is now known as z-man-going-to-b
23:38 <z-man-going-to-b> not really suffering.
23:39 <Canada> this computer doesnt have armagetron ad downloaded onto it, ganna download it right now
23:39 <cyclo> i know :) a little tho for shure
23:39 <Canada> who won ladle
23:39 <cyclo> my gf also waits for my call :D
23:39 <z-man-going-to-b> but she has to clean up after dinner, whereas usually that's my job. I compensate for it by cooking :)
23:39 <Canada> z-man, who won the ladle
23:39 <z-man-going-to-b> ??
23:39 <cyclo> what u use for cooking, c++  xD
23:39 <i2020> something something
23:40 <Canada> is it not done?
23:40 <Canada> ah
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23:40 <Canada> who came in second
23:40 <Canada> tui?
23:40 <z-man-going-to-b> SP
23:40 <Canada> what did X come in
23:40 <cyclo> we lost 3-1 -> tho it was 8vs6 (for us, sp)
23:40  * z-man-going-to-b notes that there is no well defined second place in a knockout tournament
23:41 <Canada> isnt second place ~ who lost in finals
23:41 <z-man-going-to-b> usually, yeah, but they're usually not the second best
23:41 <z-man-going-to-b> anyone who lost against the winner at some point may be second best
23:41 <Canada> yeah, because theres not enough teams to even out the brackets
23:42 <z-man-going-to-b> It's not that.
23:42 <cyclo> has there ever been a round-based tourney in arma?
23:42 <Canada> theres only what, 5-6 teams?
23:42 <pavelo> spoon ?
23:43 <cyclo> a sumo tourney 1on1, round-based (like chess, "swiss system" its called) would be neat
23:43  * Canada hates not being able to use X-chat :p
23:43 <Canada> keeps screwing up my messages and not posting
23:44 <Canada> how exactly would you play chess in tron
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23:44 <cyclo> lol... i said, a tounrey system like it is in a chess tourney
23:44 <cyclo> not that u should play chess on the grid xD
23:45 <cyclo> tron is more like GO in that sense
23:45 <Canada> never played chess tourney, arnt those like for people that are too poor to afford a computer, but too nerdy to play sports
23:45 <madmax|pt> o_O
23:45 <Canada> its that like for people that are too poor to afford a computer, but too nerdy to play sports?
23:45 <cyclo> doh
23:45 <cyclo> no :P
23:45 <Canada> test ~ keeps not posting my messages
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23:46 <cyclo> it did post both, canada
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23:46 <cyclo> (bye)
23:46 <Canada> is there any way for me to make it so armabot isnt speaking german
23:46 <Canada> :P
23:47 <pavelo> lol, Canada just went on a posting spree on the forums
23:47 <Canada> did you know a savant autistic man learned icelandic (one of the hardest languages to learn) in 7 days
23:47 <Canada> #dict Savant
23:47 <armabot> Canada: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: savant n : someone who has been admitted to membership in a scholarly field [syn: {initiate}, {learned person}, {pundit}]; gcide: Savant \Sa`vant"\, n.; pl. {Savants} (F. ?; E. ?). [F., fr. savoir to know, L. sapere. See {Sage}, a.] A man of learning; one versed in literature or science; a person eminent for acquirements. [1913 Webster]; (4 more messages)
23:47 <madmax|pt> 'multi kill'
23:48 <Canada> #dict Daniel Tammet
23:48 <armabot> Canada: No definition for "Daniel Tammet" could be found.
23:48 <cyclo> lol <3 armabot
23:48 <cyclo> #dict klein bottle
23:48 <armabot> cyclo: wn: Klein bottle n : a closed surface with only one side; formed by passing one end of a tube through the side of the tube and joining it with the other end
23:48 <Canada> armabot isnt that smart
23:49 <cyclo> xD
23:49 <luke-jr_> neither are you
23:49 <luke-jr_> :p
23:49 <cyclo> lol
23:49 <Canada> =p
23:49 <luke-jr_> pwnt
23:49 <Canada> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Tammet
23:50 <Canada> he memorized pi to 22,514 digits
23:50 <cyclo> i imagine people fell asleep when he proved it
23:50 <joda_bo1> Lack said it's just that the defenses on both sides are just too tough , perhaps we just have to wait for holing to kick in
23:50 <joda_bo1> ;)
23:50 <Canada> it took him 5+ hours
23:50 -!- joda_bo1 is now known as joda_bot
23:51 <joda_bot> Lack said it's just that the defenses on both sides are just too tough
23:51 <joda_bot> joda: perhaps we just have to wait for holing to kick in
23:51 <cyclo> heh joda absolutely
23:51 <madmax|pt> a while ago the "getting rid of shrink" idea didnt sound any good to me. but now...
23:51 <Canada> the most famous savant is Kim Peek, which the movie Rain Man was based on
23:52 <Canada> he can read an average page in a book that would take you and me 3 minutes to read, it takes him 8-10 seconds
23:52 <Canada> and he remembers 98% of what was on the page
23:52 <Canada> tell me that isnt genius
23:53 <cyclo> it isnt
23:53 <cyclo> :P
23:53 <Canada> ..
23:53 <Canada> and he can recall 12,000 books from memory
23:53 <cyclo> genius is not a matter of quantity - people who are autistic can do the most massive tasks but not go to the supermarket to buy food
23:54 <luke-jr_> so?
23:54 <luke-jr_> who needs food?
23:54 <cyclo> lol
23:54 <luke-jr_> oh wait...
23:54 <cyclo> u plan on going completely digital ?? xD
23:54 <cyclo> ghost in the console
23:54 <Canada> though that is true, cyclo, Daniel Tammet has no obvious disabilitt
23:54 <Canada> disability*
23:54 <Canada> thats what makes him Savant
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23:55 <Canada> what makes Kim Peek savant, is while he can not understand socialism near as well as another, he is the smarted man, with a memory of google
23:56 <Canada> smarted, sorry i cant spell =P
23:56 <Canada> smart**
23:56 <Lackadaisical> joda: i don't think its necessarily a bad thing, and i don't really know because i wasn't attacking, but when i was able to attack it looked like a beehive on the other side
23:56 <Canada> edit: he is a smart man
23:57 <cyclo> brb
23:57 <Canada> talk to you later, Cyclo :}
23:58 <joda_bot> lack: probably my suggestions made it that... ;) 
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23:58 <joda_bot> lack: but from my point ?? def wasn't any weaker just differently organised
23:59 <Canada> Congratulations to SomethingSomething, btw
23:59 <joda_bot> we blocked and u let someone in and then squeezed them to death between goalie and sweeper ;)
23:59 <madmax|pt> who was the defender for ?? btw?
23:59 <joda_bot> not that we didn't try that too ;)
23:59 <joda_bot> pez
23:59 <joda_bot> afaik

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