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Log from 2007-03-01:
--- Day changed Thu Mar 01 2007
00:02 <ghableska> #quote
00:03 <ghableska> err
00:03 <ghableska> #quote get 20
00:03 <@armabot> ghableska: Quote #20: "ok luci, you'd know better on this one -- luke-jr" (added by wrtlprnft at 02:26 PM, August 24, 2006)
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00:08 <spidey> slackware finally finished :D
00:08 <spidey> now to burn/install it
00:09 <ghableska> #wikipedia slackware
00:09 <@armabot> ghableska: Search took 0.12 seconds: Slackware - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slackware>; Category: Slackware - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Slackware>; SUSE Linux - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SUSE_Linux>; Template:User slackware - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (2 more messages)
00:10 <spidey> ..
00:10 <spidey> slackware is a linux distro
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00:47 <luke-jr_> :o
00:47 <ghableska> :o
00:47 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: ...
00:49 <madmax|pt> does anyone know a site with good reviews of headphones?
00:49 <ghableska> cnet.com has all sorts of reviews...
00:50 <ghableska> http://reviews.cnet.com/4566-7877_7-0.html?tag=dir
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00:57 <madmax|pt> ah thanks. only saw some inear ones there, didnt remember to look for more
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01:39 <spidey> #damn god
01:39 <@armabot> luke-jr has damned god to Hell for all eternity.
01:39 <xfroggy> #roulette
01:39 <@armabot> xfroggy: *click*
01:39 <spidey> #roulette
01:39 <ghableska> spidey: I already did that :P
01:39 <@armabot> spidey: *click*
01:39 <ghableska> #roulette
01:39 <@armabot> ghableska: *click*
01:39 <spidey> ghableska, so!
01:39 <spidey> xfroggy, your turn :P
01:40 <spidey> ghableska, he esacped..
01:40 <ghableska> lol
01:40 <xfroggy> #roulette
01:40 <@armabot> xfroggy: *click*
01:40 <xfroggy> was in tron Oo
01:41 <ghableska> spidey: go
01:41 <madmax|pt> #roulette
01:41 -!- madmax|pt was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
01:41  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
01:41 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@unaffiliated/madmaxpt/x-23911] has joined #armagetron
01:41 <xfroggy> pwned!
01:41 <ghableska> heh
01:41 <madmax|pt> lol
01:41 <ghableska> #roulette
01:41 <@armabot> ghableska: *click*
01:41 <xfroggy> #roulette
01:41 -!- xfroggy was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
01:41  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
01:41 <madmax|pt> hah
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01:41 <ghableska> #spin
01:41 <xfroggy> damn I'm unlucky
01:41 <xfroggy> all day getting kicked O.o
01:41 <ghableska> #roulette spin
01:41 <@armabot> *SPIN* Are you feeling lucky?
01:41 <ghableska> #roulette
01:41 -!- ghableska was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
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01:41  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
01:41 <spidey> rofl!
01:41 <ghableska> no
01:42 <xfroggy> =P
01:42 <ghableska> I'm not feeling lucky :/
01:42 <spidey> #roulette spin
01:42 <@armabot> *SPIN* Are you feeling lucky?
01:42 <spidey> #roulette
01:42 <@armabot> spidey: *click*
01:42 <ghableska> #roulette
01:42 <spidey> :D
01:42 <@armabot> ghableska: *click*
01:42 <spidey> #roulette
01:42 <@armabot> spidey: *click*
01:42 <ghableska> #roulette spin
01:42 <xfroggy> #roulette
01:42 <@armabot> *SPIN* Are you feeling lucky?
01:42 <spidey> lame
01:42 -!- xfroggy was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
01:42  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
01:42 <spidey> haha
01:42 <ghableska> XD
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01:42 <xfroggy> Oo
01:42 <ghableska> #roulette
01:42 <@armabot> ghableska: *click*
01:42 <spidey> #roulette
01:42 <ghableska> #roulette spin
01:42 <@armabot> spidey: *click*
01:42 <madmax|pt> #roulette
01:42 <xfroggy> #roulette
01:42 <@armabot> *SPIN* Are you feeling lucky?
01:42 <@armabot> madmax|pt: *click*
01:42 <@armabot> xfroggy: *click*
01:42 <spidey> #roulette
01:42 <ghableska> #roulette spin
01:42 <@armabot> spidey: *click*
01:42 <@armabot> *SPIN* Are you feeling lucky?
01:42 <ghableska> #roulette
01:42 <@armabot> ghableska: *click*
01:42 <spidey> stop!
01:42 <ghableska> whew
01:42 <xfroggy> lol
01:43 <spidey> #roulette
01:43 <@armabot> spidey: *click*
01:43 <spidey> <3
01:43 <ghableska> #roulette
01:43 <@armabot> ghableska: *click*
01:43 <madmax|pt> o_O
01:43 <ghableska> :D
01:43 <xfroggy> #roulette
01:43 -!- xfroggy was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
01:43  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
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01:43 <ghableska> heh
01:43 <xfroggy> #damn
01:43 <ghableska> #roulette
01:43 <@armabot> xfroggy: (damn <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "echo luke-jr has damned $1 to Hell for all eternity.".
01:43 <@armabot> ghableska: *click*
01:43 <xfroggy> #damn armabot
01:43 <@armabot> luke-jr has damned armabot to Hell for all eternity.
01:44 <ghableska> #damn spidey and xfroggy
01:44 <@armabot> luke-jr has damned spidey and xfroggy to Hell for all eternity.
01:44 <ghableska> #damn luke-jr has damned armabot to Hell for all eternity
01:44 <Lucifer_arma> #damn Jesus F Christ
01:44 <spidey> #kill ghableska 
01:44 <@armabot> luke-jr has damned luke-jr has damned armabot to Hell for all eternity to Hell for all eternity.
01:44 <@armabot> luke-jr has damned Jesus F Christ to Hell for all eternity.
01:44 <@armabot> ghableska will die on Sun May  2 09:29:23 2010 due to being stabbed in the eye by ghableska.
01:44 <ghableska> o_O
01:44 <ghableska> whoa
01:44 <spidey> O.O
01:44 <ghableska> in the future!
01:44 <xfroggy> #kill ghableska 
01:44 <@armabot> ghableska will die on Sat Sep 22 02:47:16 1979 due to being stabbed in the eye by mkzelda.
01:44 <xfroggy> eww
01:44 <spidey> ghableska, you're gonna kill yourself
01:44 <spidey> lololol
01:45  * ghableska writes that date down
01:45 <spidey> remember to do it on 2010
01:45 <xfroggy> turn your clock few years back also :P
01:45 <spidey> at 9:29:23
01:45 <spidey> on may 2nd
01:45 <spidey> :D
01:45 <ghableska> GMT?
01:45 <ghableska> CST?
01:45 <ghableska> :o
01:45 <spidey> CDT
01:45 <spidey> so i'll be awake
01:45 <Lucifer_arma> I think I've reached the point of diminishing returns for studying right now
01:45 <Lucifer_arma> which is a shame because it means I"m getting a 0 on this homework :(
01:45 <spidey> civ?
01:46 <spidey> wanna finish our game?
01:46 <Lucifer_arma> not right this minute, I do have some other things I should be doing :/
01:46 <spidey> k
01:46  * Lucifer_arma wants a job just so he won't feel guilty wasting time playing civ
01:46 <spidey> me and anjori might play tremulous tonight
01:47 <spidey> if he ever comes back from "Away"
01:47 <ghableska> Lucifer_arma: playing freeciv could be you job ;)
01:47 <Lucifer_arma> ghableska: only if it pays the bills
01:47 <Lucifer_arma> got a way to make it pay the bills?
01:47 <xfroggy> #praise xfroggy
01:47  * armabot falls down to his knees and praises xfroggy
01:47 <ghableska> hm
01:47 <xfroggy> :D
01:47 <ghableska> so Plus = Canada?
01:48 <Lucifer_arma> pretty sure, but he hasn't come back since we decided he was
01:48 <ghableska> heh
01:48 <Lucifer_arma> he came in all competent with armabot and acting like an ass, it was a dead giveaway
01:49 <ghableska> #seen Plus
01:49 <@armabot> ghableska: Plus was last seen in #armagetron 1 week, 0 days, 19 hours, 28 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <plus> #google earth Heaven
01:49 <Lucifer_arma> he's only like 12 or something, he's just a kid.
01:49 <Lucifer_arma> hasn't figured out how to be stealthy...
01:49 <ghableska> only three years younger than me :P
01:49 <Lucifer_arma> those are big years, ghab
01:49 <ghableska> heh, good point
01:51 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, ever use slackware?
01:51 <Lucifer_arma> nope
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01:55  * luke-jr_ notes it only takes IDing armabot as supybot
01:55 <luke-jr_> once that's done, you know *some* commands
01:58 <spidey> remind me
01:58 <spidey> prompting to select slack packages is a long process!
02:01 <madmax|pt> #later tell spidey prompting to select slack packages is a long process!
02:01 <@armabot> madmax|pt: The operation succeeded.
02:03 <spidey> #damn madmax|pt
02:03 <@armabot> luke-jr has damned madmax|pt to Hell for all eternity.
02:03 <madmax|pt> oh crap.
02:03 <luke-jr_> #alias remove damn
02:03 <@armabot> luke-jr_: The operation succeeded.
02:04 <spidey> #alias add damn luke-jr has damned $1 to Hell for all eternity.
02:04 <@armabot> spidey: The operation succeeded.
02:04 <spidey> #damn
02:04 <@armabot> spidey: (damn <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "luke-jr has damned $1 to Hell for all eternity.".
02:04 <spidey> ...
02:04 <spidey> #damn madmax|pt
02:04 <spidey> xD
02:04 <spidey> hm
02:04 <spidey> #ping
02:04 <madmax|pt> oh crap?
02:04 <@armabot> pong
02:04 <spidey> luke-jr_, removed it again
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02:11 <luke-jr_> #alias remove damn
02:11 <@armabot> luke-jr_: The operation succeeded.
02:12 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, luke-jr_'s abusing your alias!
02:12 <luke-jr_> nope
02:12 <Lucifer_arma> #fuck luke-jr
02:13 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma has mad passionate sex with luke-jr
02:13 <spidey> wtf!
02:15  * spidey smites Lucifer_arma with luke-jr_'s mighty wrath!
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02:19 <ghableska> #fuck
02:19 <spidey> #fuck ghableska
02:19 <spidey> ...
02:19 <ghableska> aw
02:20 <madmax|pt> perhaps someone has damned that to Hell
02:20 <ghableska> heh
02:32 <Lucifer_arma> haha, game stalemated with vanhayes and me defending opposite
02:33 <Vanhayes> heh, those were some good games of CTF, most of the points were from kills
02:33 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
02:33 <Vanhayes> well it was good for a defender I guess
02:33 <Lucifer_arma> when we were on the same team, I kept going in in really weird ways and snatching the other team's flag
02:34 <Lucifer_arma> you saw him saying I was using cheats?  ;)
02:34 <ghableska> #lastseen Vanhayes
02:34 <@armabot> ghableska: Vanhayes has last been seen on  Wild West  =Capture The Flag= 2 minutes ago.
02:34 <Lucifer_arma> #lastseen Lucifer
02:34 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: Lucifer has last been seen on  Wild West  =Capture The Flag= 3 minutes ago.
02:34 <ghableska> #lastseen ghableska
02:35 <Vanhayes> ya, thats the problem with CTF servers they usually attract really annoying people
02:35 <ghableska> who was there?
02:35 <@armabot> ghableska: ghableska has last been seen on Chico's Brake Boost Styball 11 days 8 hours 58 minutes ago.
02:35 <Vanhayes> either blame some outside force or yell respawn every minute and die every 2 :/
02:35 <Vanhayes> #serverdetails  =Capture The Fla
02:36 <@armabot> Vanhayes: Wild West  =Capture The Flag=: Players (8/10): DJS, E=mC2, Green Bobin, Hulett, Nekkid, Network_b, Pi=3.14, xStaticXer
02:36 <ghableska> oh, the ones that go "RE ME PLZ!!!111"
02:36 <ghableska> ?
02:36 <Vanhayes> ya, or the ones that yell Leave def noob and respawn!!!
02:36 <ghableska> heh
02:37 <luke-jr_> wild west is too laggy
02:38 <Vanhayes> it got badd in some spots, where everyone froze for a few seconds, but that didnt really affect me in a bad way since I was usually going really slow
02:38 <Lucifer_arma> they asked me nicely, said "Respawn us, we'll make back the points"
02:38 <Lucifer_arma> I still waited for safe opportunities, though
02:39 <ghableska> Vanhayes: do you still get those really weird slides on styball?
02:39 <Lucifer_arma> I have to admit, the move I got accused for cheating was a really tough move
02:39 <ghableska> what did you do?
02:39 <Lucifer_arma> but I say luck had nothing to do with it because I knew if pings held out, I'd be fine
02:40 <Lucifer_arma> he was doing this zig-zag thing, and I went into the zig-zag pattern
02:40 <ghableska> heh
02:40 <Lucifer_arma> so he moved to grind, and I turned around
02:40 <Lucifer_arma> then I turned back around, beat his grind and cut him off
02:40 <Lucifer_arma> it all took like half a second to execute
02:40 <Lucifer_arma> tried something similar against vanhayes and he got me, so you figure out if it was a cheat :)
02:41 <Vanhayes> ghableska: ya sometimes, only when my ping gets high and unstable
02:41 <Lucifer_arma> I think those ctf servers have too much rubber
02:41 <Vanhayes> ya, makes defending alot easier than attacking
02:42 <Vanhayes> mostly because attackers come in faster
02:42 <Lucifer_arma> yeah.  Also contributes to the lag, and the lag's already bad because of how the flag is handled
02:42  * luke-jr_ thinks hijacking the chat sensor was better
02:43  * Lucifer_arma agrees
02:43 <Lucifer_arma> only problem was, you couldn't tell a flag carrier apart from a chatter
02:43 <luke-jr_> don't send the sensor for real chatters
02:43 <luke-jr_> small loss
02:43 <Vanhayes> heh when that first started I thoughht people with the flag were just hitting their chat button really fast to brag
02:44 <Lucifer_arma> and you cant color it, so if you see it in the distance, you don't know if it's your flag being carried by an enemy or otherwise
02:44 <Lucifer_arma> I think we need some sort of indicator model
02:44 <luke-jr_> well, it would work best for backward compatibility imo
02:44 <luke-jr_> people used to only see zones in red too
02:44 <Lucifer_arma> where the server basically says "indicate this with <these parameters>"
02:45 <luke-jr_> another way would be to assign zones to a relative position, as would work with DCT if it's ever implemented
02:46 <luke-jr_> so when someone takes it, the flag's position is set to the cycle's position
02:46 <luke-jr_> and maybe have it blink more as it gets closer to enemy base ;)
02:46 <luke-jr_> (or spin)
02:51 <spidey> ?
02:51 <spidey> when i play ctf the flag is over the persons cycle
02:56 <spidey> ctf's only fun when there's some people you know in it
02:56 <spidey> most of the ctf players are morons
03:02 <spidey> yay
03:02 <spidey> slackware's installed and setup completely :D
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03:19 <spidey> hmm
03:19 <spidey> i think i'm liking slackware more than debian already
03:22 <xfroggy> lol
03:33 <ghableska> #weather 50266
03:34 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 33.1°F (8:36 PM CST on February 28, 2007). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 28.4°F. Windchill: 23.0°F. Pressure: 28.57 in 967.4 hPa.  Blizzard Warning in effect from 6 am Thursday to 6 PM CST Friday...
03:43 <ghableska> ack!
03:43 <ghableska> http://cristgaming.com/pirate.swf
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04:27 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma i'm on my way on becoming an internet super star :o
04:27 <ghableska> o_O
04:27 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=323621755#post323621755 
04:27 <DrJoeTron> photoshop phriday
04:27 <DrJoeTron> this wek,
04:27 <DrJoeTron> hopefully i'll make it inb
04:28 <ghableska> that's pretty good :)
04:28 <DrJoeTron> thanks "D
04:29 <ghableska> you goon!
04:29 <DrJoeTron> :V hurrr
04:29 <DrJoeTron> http://www.lucid-tv.com/059.html this is my favorite comic strip of all time
04:30 <ghableska> umm
04:30 <ghableska> I dunno, Concerned had some pretty funny strips as well 
04:31 <Your_mom_arma> in two more years sabaria will post that on the arma forums
04:39 <ghableska> #night
04:39 <@armabot> Good night ghableska!
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> #morning
04:40 <@armabot> Good Morning Lucifer_arma Random Fortune: Brooklyn Aquarium, special exhibit: boids of da wattah
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04:43 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma haha
04:44 <DrJoeTron> yeah he seems to be a bit out of the circle
04:46 <DrJoeTron> bah
04:46 <DrJoeTron> fucking source engine
04:46 <DrJoeTron> they really gotta fix that sound skip
04:47 <DrJoeTron> dystopia seems to have this bug with me where sometimes i get killed so hard the game crashes
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05:33 <Your_mom_arma> hey GodTodd
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05:34 <xfroggy> #roulette
05:34 <@armabot> xfroggy: *click*
05:35 <xfroggy> #roulette
05:35 <@armabot> xfroggy: *click*
05:36 <xfroggy> #roulette
05:36 <@armabot> xfroggy: *click*
05:36 <xfroggy> #roulette
05:36 -!- xfroggy was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
05:36  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
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05:52 <GodTodd> yo
05:52 <DrJoeTron> wadup
05:52 <GodTodd> nada
05:52 <GodTodd> j00?
05:52 <DrJoeTron> fixin up the picture i posted
05:52 <GodTodd> ahhh
05:52 <GodTodd> wasn't aware it was broken ;)
05:52 <DrJoeTron> because i noticed i giant strip of weirdness onthe left side
05:52 <DrJoeTron> i just fixed it
05:53 <DrJoeTron> and then smoothed out the wings
05:53 <DrJoeTron> i might make another one
05:53 <GodTodd> heh
05:54 <GodTodd> make something to chase that one dude's turtle :D
05:54 <DrJoeTron> damn!
05:54 <DrJoeTron> i almost had someone draw my avatar
05:55 <GodTodd> almost only counts in sex
05:57 <GodTodd> stupid chemistry :/
05:58 <GodTodd> and how fucking lonely do you have to be to count the fucking atoms in a molecule?
06:03 <GodTodd> #g molecular formula of acetic acid
06:03 <@armabot> GodTodd: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
06:03 <GodTodd> stupid google
06:04 <GodTodd> i sure hope it's c2h4o2
06:05 <GodTodd> w00t
06:06 <GodTodd> #monologue
06:06 <@armabot> GodTodd: Your current monologue is at least 8 lines long.
06:07 <GodTodd> #g molecular mass of aluminum
06:07 <@armabot> GodTodd: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
06:07 <GodTodd> bah
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06:12 -!- DDL36 is now known as Shorty
06:12 -!- Shorty is now known as MapleStoryKid
06:12 <MapleStoryKid> hiya everyone
06:13 <MapleStoryKid> anyone wana chat?
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06:13 <DrJoeTron> nope!
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> you guys come to fortress cafe
06:14 <DrJoeTron> can i come under as not dr joe tron?
06:40 <GodTodd> #g 67.7 mg in g
06:40 <@armabot> GodTodd: 67.7 milligrams = 0.0677 grams
06:42 <GodTodd> #30 g oxygen in moles
06:43 <GodTodd> #g 30 g oxygen in moles
06:43 <@armabot> GodTodd: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
06:53 <GodTodd> #g 12.01 g in mg
06:53 <@armabot> GodTodd: 12.01 grams = 12,010 milligrams
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07:45 <DrJoeTron> man
07:45 <DrJoeTron> that was a trip
07:45 <DrJoeTron> first photoshop failed
07:45 <DrJoeTron> then i couldnt uninstall it
07:45 <DrJoeTron> so i deleted the folder
07:45 <DrJoeTron> so when i installed it, i got the uninstaller, so i can uninstall it and then reinstall it
07:53 <Your_mom_arma> haha
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10:15 <DrJoeTron> #cnn 60016
10:15 <@armabot> DrJoeTron: The current temperature in Des Plaines, IL is 35.0°F. Conditions: Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Wind: E at 16 mph (26 km/h).
10:15 <DrJoeTron> liars
10:15 <DrJoeTron> its fucking raining
10:15 <DrJoeTron> #weather 60016
10:15 <@armabot> DrJoeTron: The current temperature in Chicago Palwaukee, Illinois is 35.6°F (2:52 AM CST on March 01, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 28.4°F. Windchill: 26.6°F. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Falling).  Flood Watch in effect from 6 PM CST this evening through Friday morning...
10:15 <DrJoeTron> thats what i like to hear
10:25 <DrJoeTron> jesus 11 people?
10:25 <DrJoeTron> lets make it 10 :o
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11:31 <epsy> hi
11:38 <Lucifer_arma> hi
11:38 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7153 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/gTeam.cpp: Fixed menu crash: the team selection menu didn't use smart pointers.
12:12 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7154 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/eGrid.cpp: Fixed freezer in eGrid::FindSurroundingFace
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12:21 <epsy> z-man-work, is this the fix to the freeze after the "deleting grid" message ?
12:29 <epsy> hmm
12:50 <epsy> z-man-work, ?
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13:09 -!- Irssi: #armagetron: Total of 12 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 12 normal]
13:09 <armabot> I love you more than ice cream!
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13:45 <z-man-work> epsy: I think so, yes.
13:46 <epsy> z-man-work, it seems it didn't worked
13:48 <epsy> and i also get a strangely high fps
13:50 <epsy> i check if i have the right rev...
13:52 <epsy> Revision: 7150
13:52 <epsy> Last Changed Rev: 7143
13:52 <epsy> huh
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13:54 <epsy> hmm
13:55 <z-man-work> epsy: look at the path. The change is in 0.2.8 for now, not the trunk.
13:55 <z-man-work> nobody complained about too high FPS so far :)
13:55 <epsy> i'm using luke-jr_ 's overlay...
13:56 <epsy> z-man-work, yeah but it hppens only on one server
13:56 <epsy> which got sumo, high rubber, shooting, and respawning
13:56 <epsy> aww yeah it's trunk
14:00 <z-man-work> I'll merge the fix as soon as possible, then.
14:00 <epsy> k thanks
14:00 <ghableska> #weather 50266
14:00 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 34.3°F (7:01 AM CST on March 01, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 30.2°F. Windchill: 26.6°F. Pressure: 28.15 in 953.2 hPa.  Blizzard Warning in effect until 6 PM CST Friday... 
14:00 <z-man-work> What about the fps? Is it really high, or is just a high value displayed?
14:01 <epsy> well i usually have less than 25 fps playing
14:01 <epsy> here i get about 30 jumping to 70
14:01 <epsy> and even 1500 offscreen 
14:02 <z-man-work> offscreen?
14:02 <epsy> when i switch to another windows (the rendering stops) and switch back, i see it at 1500fps getting back to 30
14:03 <z-man-work> Looks like the measurement is broken, then. I've got a recording by wrtl here where the display starts of at around 1500, as well.
14:03 <z-man-work> It quickly normalizes, though.
14:06 <epsy> i general i dont se that
14:11 <epsy> *see
14:11 <epsy> btw i got pings over 100 for localhost //
14:11 <epsy> :/
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14:46 <wrtlprnft> armabot stopped sending CIA messages again…
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14:50 <wrtlprnft> oh no, she didn't
14:50 <wrtlprnft> it's just been more time since that commit than i thought
14:54 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7155 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gCycle.cpp gCycleMovement.cpp): Fixed some of the problems caused by respawning and cylces moving all over the place, crossing walls in the process and screwing stuff up.
14:55 <wrtlprnft> woot!
14:55 <wrtlprnft> does that mean all the “lag” I get on respawning servers is fixed?
15:07 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7156 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycle.cpp: Fixed more respawn trouble: the first position update of a cylce is now accepted without questioning it.
15:07 <z-man-work> wrtlprnft: I hope so. You'll need to wait for it to be merged, though. Will be some hours :)
15:14 <wrtlprnft> that's no problem
15:14 <wrtlprnft> is that recording playback thing also fixed?
15:14 <wrtlprnft> I wasn't able to play back last recording I uploaded with DEBUGLEVEL=3
15:20 <z-man-work> Oh, that, I'm afraid that's according to spec. The recording was done with DEBUGLEVEL=0, right?
15:20 <z-man-work> At least, I was able to play it back with that.
15:21 <z-man-work> Debug recording are very fragile things. I'll try to find out what exactly causes the breakdown (seems to be something in nNetwork.cpp) because it's annoyingly frequent, though.
15:22 <wrtlprnft> I removed one bug involving a legacy function call
15:24 <z-man-work> the ePlayer.cpp name cutting? Yeah, I stumbled across it, too :)
15:25 <wrtlprnft> and the recoding seems to play back fine if I remove the assertion at tRecorder.h:1034
15:27 <wrtlprnft> well, it plays back a little further at least
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15:42 <z-man-work> let me guess, until the client declares a connection timeout.
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16:00 <wrtlprnft> no
16:01 <wrtlprnft> until it hits another assertion that checks whether the client is playing back or not
16:01 <wrtlprnft> somewhere in tSysTime
16:05 <luke-jr_> epsy: do you want a 0.2.8 svn ebuild?
16:06 <epsy> well it can be useful, why not if u have time and patience
16:07 <epsy> brb...
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16:07 <epsy> arg
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16:10 <wrtlprnft> can anyone tell me what the different “Status” possibilities on flyspray mean?
16:10 <wrtlprnft> Started, Started, Blocked, Stalled, Finished, Waiting on something, Finished
16:10 <wrtlprnft> which finished do I use?
16:13 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r7157 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
16:13 <armabot> armagetronad: Checking for a 0 ePlayer * now, and fixing my cockpit so the map is displayed per player.
16:13 <armabot> armagetronad: This fixes FS#29.
16:34 <z-man-work> Dunno. I'm only using the first Started and Finished. I suppose they are different stages of completion. Overkill if you ask me.
16:37 <z-man-work> The debug vs optimized playback problems are unfixable :( The ping averaging code produces something different on "float *= otherFloat" in -O0 and -O2.
16:38 <z-man-work> I'll try to cure the symptom that causes the most trouble, though: the time when the client decides it is in sync with the server.
16:43 <wrtlprnft> aww, that sucks
16:43 <wrtlprnft> the problem is that using the ebuild you don't even get function names in gdb
16:44 <z-man-work> Then don't use the ebuild for debugging.
16:45 <wrtlprnft> I use it for playing :s
16:46 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7158 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/eTimer.cpp: The point in time where a client decides that now it's in sync with the server is recorded now. It was the most significant deviation in behavior caused by different compiler settings.
16:46 <wrtlprnft> though I guess I could have a -O0 -g DEBUGLEVEL=0 build just for debugging
16:47 <z-man-work> That's basically what I'm doing.
16:47 <wrtlprnft> err, -O2
16:48 <z-man-work> Don't bother with that, optimizing doesn't give a big speed boost.
16:48 <z-man-work> Well, it probably does for machines with a very poor CPU compared to the GPU.
16:49 <wrtlprnft> well, the recordings are made with -O2
16:49 <z-man-work> You don't want to debug code compiled with -O2, believe me.
16:49 <z-man-work> For your own use, you better also record with -O0.
16:50 <wrtlprnft> infact arma uses an entire CPU core on my machine, at least on maps with many walls
16:50 <wrtlprnft> is there something like package.cflags, then?
16:51 <z-man-work> I think I heard either luke-jr_ or epsy complain that there isn't.
16:51 <wrtlprnft> note that I don't start the recording hoping to find a bug, I just record everything and then discard the recordings not containing a bug
16:51 <z-man-work> Yep, that's what I do, too.
16:52 <wrtlprnft> after I got around to writing a shellscript that names the recording for me and tells me its name
16:53 <wrtlprnft> and after I got this laptop which still gives a reasonable gameplay with a recording running
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17:12 <Bougo> yello
17:12 <epsy> hi
17:12 <Bougo> epsy, are you connected 24/24 ? o.O
17:12 <wrtlprnft> no, he isn't
17:13 <Bougo> lolz hello wrtl
17:14 <wrtlprnft> hi
17:16 <Bougo> hey, why is armabot sometimes op, sometimes not?
17:17 <wrtlprnft> well, she sometimes times out
17:17 <wrtlprnft> then she isn't a mod anymore
17:17 <Bougo> oh
17:17 <Bougo> she? :p
17:18 <wrtlprnft> yeah, she
17:19 <epsy> wrtlprnft is
17:19 <Bougo> is what?
17:19 <Bougo> a she?
17:19 <Bougo> :p
17:20  * wrtlprnft isn't
17:20  * Bougo isnt either
17:20 <wrtlprnft> see, we agree the CIA bots are male, right?
17:20 <Bougo> um maybe
17:20 <wrtlprnft> and armabot said she's in love with CIA-4
17:20 <wrtlprnft> so she's probably female
17:21 <Bougo> what's CIA ? :p
17:21 <epsy> <Bougo> epsy, are you connected 24/24 ? o.O
17:21 <Bougo> oh well, do bots fall in love?
17:21 <Bougo> first of all....
17:21 <wrtlprnft> Central intelligence agency
17:21 <epsy> XD
17:21 <epsy> http://cia.navi.cx
17:22 <Bougo> err ok??? and what about CIA bots...
17:22 <wrtlprnft> or http://cia.navi.cx/stats/armagetronad
17:22 <wrtlprnft> the CIA bots are here to search this network for terrorists
17:22 <wrtlprnft> or any unlawful activity
17:22 <epsy> XD
17:22 <Bougo> ew
17:22 <wrtlprnft> do /whois CIA-4
17:23 <wrtlprnft> then you'll see
17:23 <wrtlprnft> CIA-4 is one of the bots who monitor numerous channels
17:23 <wrtlprnft> we managed to kick ours, but it's just a matter of time till they find out
17:23 <Bougo> yea but they don't have anything to do with the gov :p
17:23 <wrtlprnft> do you really *believe* that?
17:24 <wrtlprnft> that's what they tell you, of course
17:24 <Bougo> ew
17:24 <Bougo> why would they call it CIA then
17:25 <wrtlprnft> see: they think that people will think it's unlikely that they'd call their bots CIA-something
17:25 <Bougo> *wrtlprnft is writing a silly message*
17:25 <wrtlprnft> so they actually call them CIA-something so that people think it can't be the CIA
17:25 <Bougo> wtf you're right xD
17:26 <Bougo> and you tell me that, but i'm probly some federal agent
17:26 <Bougo> yahahaha spotted
17:26  * wrtlprnft is not in the US
17:26  * Bougo either
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17:26 <Bougo> but they have (i dunno if it's correct in enlgish) "long arms"
17:27 <wrtlprnft> oh, do you think I'm really in Germany?
17:27 <wrtlprnft> they won't be able to track me
17:27 <Bougo> you may think so
17:27 <Bougo> might
17:27 <Bougo> err what else
17:27 <Bougo> but you might be wrong
17:28 <wrtlprnft> i wish them good luck
17:28 <Bougo> maybe do they have some collaborators on Venus
17:28 <Bougo> /whoix wrtlprnft
17:28 <Bougo> oops
17:28 <Bougo> i was trying to track you
17:28 <Bougo> xD
17:28 <Bougo> i'm out... cyas
17:28 <wrtlprnft> Bougo: won't help them, as long as they're searching for me on earth
17:28 <wrtlprnft> cya
17:28 <Bougo> haha wrtl
17:29 <Bougo> tell me if i have any quit message, i cant test it... the next time we meet you'll tell me
17:29 <wrtlprnft> #realchatlogs
17:29 <armabot> wrtlprnft: http://master3.armagetronad.net/armalogs/
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17:29 <wrtlprnft> #later tell *bougo* 17:29 -!- Bougo [n=MrBougo@147.100-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit ["Muh? Do you see something?"]
17:29 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
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17:30 <Bougo> oh?
17:30 <Bougo> #realchatlogs
17:30 <armabot> Bougo: http://master3.armagetronad.net/armalogs/
17:30 <Bougo> ok, the bot told me xD
17:30 <Bougo> cya
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17:32 <epsy> damn u wrtlprnft xD
17:34 <wrtlprnft> the CIA has you.
17:34 <epsy> lol
17:35 <wrtlprnft> Follow the white guy with a straitjacket.
17:35 <wrtlprnft> knock, knock, epsy 
17:35 <epsy> ll
17:35 <epsy> i remmeber an xscreensaver with matrix things one
17:36  * wrtlprnft likes the BSOD one
17:38 <epsy> i remember i saw a manbage about a bsod emulator
17:38 <epsy> never found in what package it was
17:40 <epsy> #ciastats
17:40 <epsy> #stats
17:40 <armabot> epsy: I have 17 registered users with 15 registered hostmasks; 2 owners and 1 admin.
17:40 <epsy> damn
17:40 <epsy> #ircstats
17:40 <armabot> http://www.electricpotential.net/ircstats/armagetron.html
17:41 <epsy> Most referenced URLs
17:41 <epsy> 5 	http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/armagetronad 	15 	wrtlprnft :P
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17:44 <wrtlprnft> kscreensavers or something
17:45 <epsy> [ Searching for file(s) bsod in *... ]
17:46 <epsy> x11-misc/xscreensaver-4.24 (/usr/lib/misc/xscreensaver/bsod)
17:48 <epsy> o lol
17:48 <epsy> http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/screenshots/2007-03-01-175415.png
17:49 <wrtlprnft> or xscreensaver
18:12 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7159 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (7 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
18:12 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 7142 to 7158:
18:12 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
18:12 <armabot> armagetronad:  r7158 | z-man | 2007-03-01 16:50:29 +0100 (Thu, 01 Mar 2007) | 2 lines
18:12 <armabot> armagetronad:  The point in time where a client decides that now it's in sync with the server is recorded now. It was the most significant deviation in behavior caused by different compiler settings.
18:12 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
18:12 <armabot> armagetronad:  r7156 | z-man | 2007-03-01 15:11:17 +0100 (Thu, 01 Mar 2007) | 2 lines
18:12 <epsy> ty zman
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18:32 <digitx> hey
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19:32 <Bougo> yello
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19:40 <Bougo> yello
19:44 <Bougo> *sleepy*
19:45 <wrtlprnft> this is an ad-free #
19:45 <Bougo> huh?
19:46 <Bougo> heh armabot is on #commits
19:46 <Bougo> which has something to do with CIA
19:51 <Bougo> #serverinfo crazy
19:51 <armabot> Bougo: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress: Players (14/14): adri, AUtistic, BinDistrib, ChÔkÖ	~luAp~, CT|CrispyNoodle, Delahaye, GluGGsel, Imagine, Mr. Bougo, Sergio, Sithy, tom, Vortex, ~|DS|~|KnolfMC|
19:52 -!- Bougo is now known as M1
19:52 <M1> ew!
19:53 -!- M1 is now known as MrBougo
19:53 <digitx> -
19:53 <MrBougo> ?
19:58 <wrtlprnft> MrBougo: guess what, armabot loves the CIA bots
19:58 <wrtlprnft> so it's only natural to be there
19:58 <MrBougo> maybe
19:58 <MrBougo> xD
19:59 <MrBougo> #q
19:59 <armabot> MrBougo: Quote #20: "ok luci, you'd know better on this one -- luke-jr" (added by wrtlprnft at 02:26 PM, August 24, 2006)
19:59 <MrBougo> ew its always the same
19:59 <MrBougo> #q
19:59 <armabot> MrBougo: Quote #5: "first the spoon, then the ladle, then the bowl, then the bowl, then the makefiles have a Ni! -- Armabot" (added by Lucifer_arma at 09:41 AM, March 27, 2006)
20:06 <MrBougo> oh wrtl on your site wrtlpwnd dot whatelse, there's an errror
20:07 <MrBougo> you say "#armagetronad", but it's "#armagetron", isnt it?
20:07 <epsy> # 46
20:07 <epsy> #q 46
20:07 <armabot> epsy: Quote #2: "God gave me fingers and a clitoris, I mean, it's pretty obvious. --Lola Garcia" (added by Lucifer_arma at 07:07 AM, March 24, 2006)
20:07 <epsy> damn -.-
20:07 <MrBougo> 46
20:07 <MrBougo> huh
20:07 <epsy> the 46 is cool
20:08 <epsy> #eliza you are stupid
20:08 <MrBougo> #quote 46
20:08 <armabot> epsy: Why do you say i are stupid?
20:08 <epsy> XD
20:08 <MrBougo> #quote get 46
20:08 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: There is no Quote with id #46 in my database for #armagetron.
20:08 <MrBougo> nicee!
20:08 <epsy> o ?
20:08 <MrBougo> youre right, it's pretty cool
20:08 <MrBougo> #quote search something
20:08 <armabot> MrBougo: No matching quotes were found.
20:08 <epsy> well, MrBougo look this:
20:08 <epsy> #eliza you are stupid
20:08 <armabot> epsy: Why do you say i are stupid?
20:09 <MrBougo> #eliza muh?
20:09 <armabot> MrBougo: Can you elaborate on that?
20:09 <MrBougo> oh its a bot
20:09 <MrBougo> #eliza Yello, sup?
20:09 <epsy> no, really ?
20:09 <MrBougo> wtf
20:09 <armabot> MrBougo: What do you think?
20:09 <MrBougo> err
20:09 <MrBougo> #help eliza
20:09 <armabot> MrBougo: (eliza <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/eliza.php?s=@1+@2+@3+@4+@5+@6+@7+@8+@9".
20:09 <epsy> up to 9 words xD
20:10 <MrBougo> huh
20:10 <epsy> #eliza hi
20:10 <MrBougo> #eliza So yopu work with up to 9 words?
20:10 <armabot> epsy: How do you do? What brings you to see me?
20:10 <armabot> MrBougo: What do you think?
20:10 <MrBougo> #eliza bye
20:10 <armabot> MrBougo: My secretary will send you a bill.
20:10 <MrBougo> wtf
20:10 <epsy> #eliza i'm fine, and you ?
20:10 <armabot> epsy: What do you think?
20:10 <MrBougo> #eightball Am I leaving?
20:10 <armabot> MrBougo: No.
20:10 <epsy> #eliza i am fine, and you ?
20:10 <armabot> epsy: What do you think?
20:10 <MrBougo> rofl
20:10 <epsy> bofh
20:10 <MrBougo> bye
20:10 <MrBougo> #bye
20:11 <MrBougo> err
20:11 <epsy> #goodbye
20:11 <armabot> Goodbye epsy :(
20:11 <MrBougo> #morning
20:11 <armabot> Good Morning MrBougo Random Fortune: The only disadvantage I see is that it would force everyone to get Perl. || Horrors. :-) || -- Larry Wall in <8854@jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV>
20:11 <MrBougo> #fortune
20:11 <armabot> Random Fortune: "There was a point to this story, but it has temporarily || escaped the chronicler's mind." || - This line perhaps best sums up the whole book.
20:11 <MrBougo> bye
20:11 <MrBougo> #roumlette
20:11 <MrBougo> #roumlette
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20:11 <MrBougo> #roulette
20:11 <armabot> MrBougo: *click*
20:11 <MrBougo> ew
20:11 <epsy> roumlette ?
20:11 <MrBougo> xD
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20:13 <digitx> xD
20:13 <epsy> #eliza are you in love with CIA-17 ?
20:14 <armabot> epsy: What do you think?
20:14 <epsy> nah
20:14 <epsy> brb
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20:35 <epsy> #lastseen bougo
20:35 <armabot> epsy: Mrs. Bougo has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 17 minutes ago.
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20:42 <wrtlprnft> #later tell *bougo* fixed, thanks.
20:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
20:43 <epsy> #m bougo a CIA bot has come Oo :/
20:43 <armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
20:43 <epsy> XD
20:43 <wrtlprnft> note that it looks like it was a real CIA bot
20:44 <epsy> it was
20:44 <wrtlprnft> not just some fake CIA-42
20:45 <epsy> no it was i real one i know
20:46 <epsy> #lastseen <DUDE>
20:46 <epsy> damn :/
20:47 <armabot> epsy: timed out
20:55 <digitx> D
20:57 <digitx> rebooot
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21:02 <luke-jr_work> O.o
21:03 <epsy> 0.ø ?
21:07 <epsy> #onlineservers
21:07 <armabot> epsy: ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬ (15 players) || {Delicious Desserts} Team Weekend - Custom Map (8 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (8 players) || °¯ps Arena ~~~ Team Sumo ~~~ (7 players) || Chico's Brake Boost Styball (6 players) || -=}ID< Immortal Dynasty Server (6 players) || Strawberry Fields (6 players) || The Tavern (6 players) || Norm's Place (5 players) || Wild West (1 more message)
21:07 <epsy> --> team smo
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21:36 <epsy> wrtlprnft, lol ,
21:36 <epsy> ?
21:38 <epsy> wrtlprnft, filter_color_strings
21:38 <epsy> this worked 2 seconds ago
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22:04 <Vanhayes> man, Ive boughten over 15 coffes since roll up the rim has started an I havent even won a damn doughnut, every 1 in 9 wins my ass
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22:14 <epsy> #armaservers
22:14 <armabot> epsy: ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬ (14 players) || Norm's Place (12 players) || Wild West =Capture The Flag= (10 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (9 players) || °¯ps Arena ~~~ Team Sumo ~~~ (9 players) || {Delicious Desserts} Team Weekend - Custom Map (8 players) || Monarch Alliance Server (6 players) || -=}ID< Immortal Dynasty Server (6 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (5 (1 more message)
22:15 <epsy> #serverinfo classic play
22:15 <armabot> epsy: Tigers Network Classic Play: Players (3/16): 0xdd3377oLio, Kak Tak?, Uni0xffbuurverZ
22:17 <Vanhayes> #serverinfo cafe
22:17 <armabot> Vanhayes: Fortress Café: Players (1/32): [1[[1O
22:17 <spidey> luke-jr_, 
22:17 <luke-jr_work> ...
22:17 <spidey> your aa-admin  thing isn't compatible in opera
22:18 <spidey> the edit box is like 1/2 inch tall
22:19 <luke-jr_work> ...
22:19 <Vanhayes> ,,,
22:19 <luke-jr_work> so fix opera
22:20 <spidey> nothing wrong with opera
22:20  * spidey likes opera better
22:20 <spidey> it runs faster
22:22 <spidey> http://www.stefandidak.com/office/index.php
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22:26 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r7160 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/ (3 files in 2 dirs): live ebuild for 0.2.8 branch
22:27 <luke-jr_work> spidey: "doesn't work in opera" isn't a bug on my end
22:27 <luke-jr_work> to blame me, you need to state where I am violating the standard
22:27 <spidey> .................................
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> no he doesn't, he just needs to show where the app doesn't work for users that want/need to use it
22:28  * luke-jr_work wonders where spidey is seeing this anyway, o.O
22:28 <spidey> aa-admin
22:28 <spidey> configuration
22:29 <spidey> omg the edit box is 1/2 inch tall!
22:29 <spidey> :P
22:30 <spidey> i'll screenshot it
22:30 <luke-jr_work> spidey: yeah, but you're not hosting with me...?
22:30 <luke-jr_work> or is this wizzee's...
22:30 <spidey> lizz is dummy
22:31 <luke-jr_work> PM me login info?
22:31 <spidey> why...
22:31 <luke-jr_work> or nm, I know durka's
22:32 <spidey> http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/8661/untitledyk7.jpg
22:32 <spidey> there @ luke-jr_ 
22:32 <luke-jr_work> I can see it just fine foo
22:33 <luke-jr_work> so why does Opera ignore the height?
22:33 <spidey> maybe you violated standards!!
22:33 <spidey> lol
22:33 <luke-jr_work> nope
22:33 <spidey> browsers don't lie :P
22:34 <luke-jr_work> and the majority of browsers say it is fine :)
22:34 <spidey> obviously it isn't :)
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22:41 <luke-jr_work> spidey: happy now?
22:41 <luke-jr_work> Opera is buggy and ignores 'height' on 'textarea' elements :o
22:41 <spidey> luke-jr_, yes i am, now i can see everything :P
22:42 <luke-jr_work> spidey: it'll only be 25 rows high tho
22:43 <luke-jr_work> no matter ur browser window size
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22:43 <spidey> oh well
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23:13 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_work: what height?
23:14 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: CSS height
23:15 <wrtlprnft> data:text/html,<div style="height:500px; width:500px; border:1px solid red; padding:2px"><textarea style="width:500px; height:500px"></textarea></div>
23:15 <wrtlprnft> seems to be fine
23:15 <wrtlprnft> and yes, I know it's not valid HTML
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23:20 <DDL44> hey
23:20 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_work: mind giving me the page source + CSS in question?
23:20 <wrtlprnft> hi
23:20 <DDL44> armabot
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23:21 <wrtlprnft> ?
23:22 -!- Arma35 [n=Arma35@c-75-72-6-94.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #armagetron
23:25 <Arma35> hello
23:25 <wrtlprnft> hi
23:26 <Arma35> whar is this place
23:26 <wrtlprnft> ?
23:26 <Arma35> what is this place a armagetron chat room right?
23:27 <wrtlprnft> sort of
23:31 <epsy> man >.< http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1274983729713522403&q=monkey+boy
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23:41 <wrtlprnft> microsoft knows how to do PR, definitely
23:42 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: http://pastebin.ca/377684
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23:44 <wrtlprnft> umm, 70% of what exactly?
23:44 <wrtlprnft> you know that height percentages relate to the height of the parent
23:44 <wrtlprnft> and that they only make sense if the parent has a defined hight
23:44 <luke-jr_work> yes
23:45 <luke-jr_work> so I need to specify the body height as 100%?
23:45 <luke-jr_work> or min-height
23:45 <wrtlprnft> html, body, and #editor
23:45 <wrtlprnft> and form
23:45 <luke-jr_work> ...
23:47 <wrtlprnft>                         html, body, form+form, #editor {
23:47 <wrtlprnft>                                 height:100%;
23:47 <wrtlprnft>                         }
23:49 <wrtlprnft> though this will make the page a bit higher than the screen due to the default padding/margin of the body element and the extra form at the beginning
23:50 <wrtlprnft> oh, and your percentage height will of course never work in IE
23:51 <wrtlprnft> with or without heights on all parents
23:51  * wrtlprnft suggests luke-jr_work just set rows="20" on the textarea and leave the CSS height unspecified
23:51 <luke-jr_work> that's a workaround, yes
23:52 <luke-jr_work> and I'm pretty sure it does work in IE
23:52 <wrtlprnft> the page you sent me doesn't
23:52 <luke-jr_work> shrug
23:52 <luke-jr_work> rows="20" doesn't fit to the browser
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23:53 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/dashjrie.png
23:53 <madmax|pt> anyone uses Lisp?
23:53 <wrtlprnft> not me
23:53 <wrtlprnft> isn't that the emacs language?
23:54 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_work: 20 rows fits my browser, anyways
23:54 <madmax|pt> well, also
23:54  * wrtlprnft doesn't use emacs, so…
23:55 <madmax|pt> actually, emacs uses a lisp dialect i thin
23:55 <madmax|pt> ..k
23:56 <madmax|pt> i dont use emacs either... 
23:56 <madmax|pt> but I was trying to find out the best interpreter/editor for Lisp
23:57 <madmax|pt> since I'll have to use it

Log from 2007-03-02:
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00:00 <_Sticky_> kate is generaly good as an editor
00:01 <_Sticky_> has an entry for "common lisp"
00:03 <madmax|pt> well, I'd prefer vim :P
00:04 <_Sticky_> hmm is this a functional language?  looks like one
00:04 <madmax|pt> the thing is, there's some editors that integrate an interpreter and editor in a ... good way
00:04 <madmax|pt> yes
00:04 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: fits perfectly?
00:05 <_Sticky_> oh dear..I did some sml...functional languages are great when you get them, until then you spend hours screaming "WHY!!! THIS IS SO POINTLESS"
00:05 <madmax|pt> indeed
00:05 <luke-jr_work> lol
00:09 <madmax|pt> heh, Lisp Works seems ok
00:10 <_Sticky_> someones written a plugin for eclipse for lisp...and eclipse generaly kicks ass
00:11 <madmax|pt> auto-complete or whatever-they-call-it?
00:11 <_Sticky_> for java yes lisp duno
00:11 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_work: currently testing something
00:13 <_Sticky_> madmax|pt: It provides a repl, project manager, an outline of your code for simple navigation, code editor, syntax highlighting, auto-indetation, parenthesis matching, auto-completion, and more.
00:13 -!- DrJoeTron [n=DrJoeTro@adsl-76-215-0-117.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #Armagetron
00:13 <DrJoeTron> Mike Nelson is a goon now :D
00:14 <madmax|pt> well, I didnt have a 'really big' project yet
00:14 <madmax|pt> for the ones I did, vim and ctags were ok :P
00:18 <DrJoeTron> this is soo cool
00:18 <_Sticky_> what is??
00:18 <DrJoeTron> Mike nelson is an SA forum member now
00:19 <DrJoeTron> from Mystery Science Theatre 3000
00:19 <_Sticky_> ???
00:19 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2355908
00:21 <_Sticky_> im sure i would revere this guy if i had any clue who he was
00:21 <DrJoeTron> aww you have never seen or heard of MST3k?
00:21 <_Sticky_> nope
00:22 <DrJoeTron> its pretty much a guy and a bunch of robots watching B movies and making fun of them
00:22 <_Sticky_> america??
00:22 <DrJoeTron> yup
00:22 <_Sticky_> ahh
00:22 <_Sticky_> dont think we got it in uk yet
00:22 <DrJoeTron> i doubt you ever will any time soon
00:22 <DrJoeTron> its an old tv show
00:22 <_Sticky_> heh
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00:24 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_work: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/lukesite.html
00:24 <wrtlprnft> the only thing I could come up with
00:24 <wrtlprnft> but it works in all browsers I tested and others will fall back to a constant height gracefully
00:24 <wrtlprnft> AND you get a minimum height for the field
00:24 <wrtlprnft> and a maximum
00:25 <luke-jr_work> what's wrong with just adding rows?
00:25 <luke-jr_work> and display:block
00:25 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't fill the entire height of the browser window :P
00:26 <luke-jr_work> oh, yours works in Opera?
00:26 <wrtlprnft> yeah, of course
00:26 <wrtlprnft> note that if firefox did what you wanted with that percentage stuff it's probably nonstandard
00:26 <luke-jr_work> nope
00:26 <luke-jr_work> Konqueror did
00:27 <wrtlprnft> did what?
00:27 <luke-jr_work> % correctly
00:27 <wrtlprnft> correctly
00:28 <wrtlprnft> if you didn't specify a height on #editor it's supposed to ignore it as it makes no sense
00:28 <wrtlprnft> anyways
00:28 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:28 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:31 <luke-jr_work> anyhow, I refuse to use Javascript for something appearance
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00:43 <madmax|pt> is the server up Vanhayes ? o_O
00:43 <Vanhayes> yup
00:43 <Vanhayes> 1 on 1 sumo bistro
00:43 <madmax|pt> nvm
00:43 <Vanhayes> #serverinfo bistro
00:43 <armabot> Vanhayes: 1v1 Sumo Bistro: Players (1/4): Vanhayes
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01:05 <mkzelda> http://www.break.com/index/drunk_squirrel_climbs_tree.html
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01:17 <madmax|pt> what were the other results from bistro? :D
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01:25 <madmax|pt> #serverinfo bistro
01:25 <armabot> madmax|pt: 1v1 Sumo Bistro: Players (2/4): Lackadaisical, Vanhayes
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01:29 <spidey> #g 175,000 MB in GB
01:30 <armabot> spidey: 175,000 megabytes = 170.898438 gigabytes
01:32 <luke-jr_work> O.o
01:32 <spidey> ?
01:33 <luke-jr_work> #g 170,000,000,000 bytes in GB
01:33 <armabot> luke-jr_work: 170,000,000,000 bytes = 158.324838 gigabytes
01:33 <luke-jr_work> see how much HD makers rip you off?
01:33 <luke-jr_work> #g 170 GB - 158.324838 GB
01:33 <armabot> luke-jr_work: (170 gigabytes) - (158.324838 gigabytes) = 11.675162 gigabytes
01:33 <spidey> they don't really rip you off
01:33 <luke-jr_work> That's 11.65 GB they advertise more than they include!
01:33 <spidey> the partition tables are huge
01:33 <luke-jr_work> erm, no
01:33 <spidey> i partitioned my 120gb drive
01:34 <luke-jr_work> #g 120,000,000,000 bytes in GB
01:34 <armabot> luke-jr_work: 120,000,000,000 bytes = 111.758709 gigabytes
01:34 <luke-jr_work> it really only has 111.75 GB
01:34 <spidey> it made a it made a 19.9gb and a 80gb drive
01:34 <luke-jr_work> #g 120 GB - 111.75 GB
01:34 <armabot> luke-jr_work: (120 gigabytes) - (111.75 gigabytes) = 8.25 gigabytes
01:34 <spidey> partition*
01:34 <luke-jr_work> 8.25 GB you get ripped off
01:34 <spidey> wow
01:34 <spidey> i can install 1 game on 8.25gb
01:34 <luke-jr_work> btw, partition tables are 512 bytes
01:34 <luke-jr_work> IIRC
01:35 <luke-jr_work> they're certainly under 1 MB
01:35 <spidey> #g 19.9+ 80
01:35 <armabot> spidey: 19.9 + 80 = 99.9
01:35 <spidey> so my drive dropped from 111gb to 99.9gb
01:35 <spidey> just from making 2 partitions
01:35 <luke-jr_work> crappy filesystem
01:35 <luke-jr_work> no, partitions don't use space
01:35 <spidey> index tables do
01:35 <luke-jr_work> that's filesystem
01:35 <spidey> that use space
01:40 <luke-jr_work> made a 1.1 GB file
01:40 <luke-jr_work> 976 MB free space with ext3 defaults
01:42 <luke-jr_work> 913 MB total with -i 1024
01:42 <luke-jr_work> (ext3)
01:45 <luke-jr_work> a full 1.1 GB total with -i 65536
01:45 <luke-jr_work> 16,704 limit # of files tho
01:49 <luke-jr_work> 1.1 GB total with reiserfs defaults!
01:49 <madmax|pt> Vanhayes: are you playing in the next ladle?
01:49 <Vanhayes> i might be ya
01:50 <Vanhayes> durka asked me a while ago, and I said i probly would if I wasnt busy
01:50 <luke-jr_work> -b 512 reiserfs won't mount :o
01:50 <luke-jr_work> nor will -b 8192
01:50 <luke-jr_work> O.o
01:51 <luke-jr_work> conclusion: ext3 defaults suck?
01:53 <luke-jr_work> I've used more than half of my root partition with 888,715 files
01:53 <madmax|pt> well, if you want to play for TM, lots of slots are open...
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01:55 <luke-jr_work> so 60 files per MB would be plenty
01:58 <luke-jr_work> 16KB/file avg
02:00 <luke-jr_work> 1016 MB total with that
02:00 <luke-jr_work> 40 MB saved per GB
02:01 <luke-jr_work> which means I could gain 9.75 GB if I reformat my desktop HD :o
02:06 <Lackadaisical> madmax|pt: i made the table you requested: http://www.kingsofthegrid.net/table.php
02:11 <madmax|pt> ah, saw the reply notification email first than here
02:11 <madmax|pt> thanks :D
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03:58 <ghableska> GAH.
03:58 <ghableska> internet is finally back D:
03:58 <ghableska> #weather 50266
03:58 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 25.3°F (9:01 PM CST on March 01, 2007). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 21.2°F. Windchill: 12.2°F. Pressure: 28.26 in 956.9 hPa (Rising).  Blizzard Warning in effect until 6 PM CST Friday... 
03:58 <xfroggy> #roulette
03:58 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
03:58  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
03:59 <ghableska> heh
03:59 <xfroggy> it gets my blood pumping XD
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04:01  * Lucifer_arma reloads and spins the chambers.
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04:01 <xfroggy> hey !
04:01  * ghableska hopes school is cancelled tomorrow as well
04:02 <xfroggy> I got pwned =\
04:02 <Lucifer_arma> I couldn't resist, sorry.
04:02 <ghableska> :)
04:03 <xfroggy> O.o
04:03  * xfroggy didn't even roll Oo
04:04 <xfroggy> #roulette
04:04 <armabot> xfroggy: *click*
04:04 <xfroggy> -.-
04:04 <ghableska> #roulette
04:04 <armabot> ghableska: *click*
04:04  * xfroggy looks around
04:04 <xfroggy> #roulette
04:04 <armabot> xfroggy: *click*
04:05 <ghableska> #roulette spin
04:05 <armabot> *SPIN* Are you feeling lucky?
04:05 <ghableska> #roulette
04:05 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
04:05  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
04:05 <ghableska> aw
04:05 <DrJoeTron> mike nelson is so cool :3
04:05 <ghableska> ?
04:05 <DrJoeTron> mst3k?
04:07 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: *click*
04:11 <DrJoeTron> #roulette
04:11 <armabot> DrJoeTron: *click*
04:16 <ghableska> #weather 50266
04:16 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 25.2°F (9:16 PM CST on March 01, 2007). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 21.2°F. Windchill: 8.6°F. Pressure: 28.26 in 956.9 hPa (Rising).  Blizzard Warning in effect until 6 PM CST Friday... 
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04:34 <Lucifer_arma> #weather 78717
04:34 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The current temperature in Meadows of Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 55.0°F (9:35 PM CST on March 01, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 28.4°F. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008.0 hPa (Rising). 
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> brrr
04:35 <ghableska> ...
04:44 <ghableska> yay
04:44  * ghableska has no school tomorrow
04:51 <luke-jr_> ...
04:51 <luke-jr_> can you make dry gas?
04:51 <ghableska> ?
05:15 <spidey> luke-jr_, gunpowder!
05:15 <spidey> :D
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> of course you can make a dry gas
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> it would be a gas without water in it
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> nothing says "all gases must have water in them"
05:18 <luke-jr_> I don't think it is
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> then define what you mean by 'dry'
05:18 <luke-jr_> I don't know wtf it is
05:18 <luke-jr_> it's called "dry gas" and heet
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> heet?
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, get a textbook from someone who can write?
05:19 <luke-jr_> Heet is a product of dry gas
05:19 <luke-jr_> http://www.no-leak.com/heet/products.htm
05:20 <Lucifer_arma> so "gas" here is gasoline?
05:20 <luke-jr_> I guess
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> gasoline is an unstable compound, which is why we can combust it :)
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> because it's unstable, it will mix with oxygen in the atmosphere, and that stuff is in your fuel tank too
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> so when it sits in your tank, it will decay, essentially, and mix with the atmosphere around it
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> one of the products of that reaction is H2O
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> so water accumulates in your gas tank, essentially
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> in really cold environments, that obviously freezes, and if there's enough, it can clog and even burst fuel lines.  Very nasty, because water expands when it freezes
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> so basically what this is is a chemical that will break up the water
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> the best stuff will break up the water into elements that will recombine with the gasoline
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> rather, break it up and facilitate recombining with the gasoline (since you can only break water up into hydrogen and oxygen no matter what you use)
05:24 <Lucifer_arma> most of this stuff (don't know about these guys in particular) just break it into inert materials that are relatively harmless and will get caught by the fuel filter
05:24 <Lucifer_arma> so it is still about "drying" gasoline :)
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> would you like to know more?
05:26 <luke-jr_> if I can make it
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> I don't see why not, but you'll need to know more chemistry than I know right now
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> also, making a gasoline treatment is potentially very polluting
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> I'd recommend just buying it, it's not terribly expensive
05:27 <luke-jr_> yeah, how?
05:28 <luke-jr_> chicken and egg
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, go down to your local convenience store/grocery store/autoparts store, pick it up off the shelf, take it to the counter, give them your credit card...
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> cheapest at the autoparts stores, and widest selection
05:28 <luke-jr_> that's a long walk
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> fuel lines are frozen right now?
05:29 <luke-jr_> not frozen maybe
05:29 <luke-jr_> but won't start
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> will the engine turn over?
05:29 <luke-jr_> ...
05:29 <luke-jr_> wtf does that mean?
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> it means, when you turn the key, do you hear the noise of the engine doing something, or do you hear "click"
05:29 <luke-jr_> yes
05:29 <GodTodd> does it go "rumm rumm rumm" or "click click click"?
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> and the noise should be periodic
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> does it sound like, say, a sewing machine?
05:30 <luke-jr_> maybe
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> does it sound definitely different than the last time you started it?
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> or does it just sound like an engine in cold weather trying to start?
05:30 <luke-jr_> like when I turn the key to start it
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> what kind of car is it?
05:31 <luke-jr_> 1997 Pontiac Bonneville SE
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> 4 cylinder?  6?
05:31 <luke-jr_> no clue
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> automatic/manual?
05:31 <luke-jr_> auto
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> and you're sure you're not actually out of gas?
05:33 <luke-jr_> I added a gallon
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> do you still have some of the gas left in the gas can?
05:34 <luke-jr_> a tiny bit
05:34 <luke-jr_> maybe
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> ok, first try this, assuming you didn't break a timing chain or something, i.e. trying to prime the engine
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> put the accelerator all the way down to the floor, and turn the key to start for 5 seconds
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> then stop, take your foot off the gas pedal, and turn the key again for 5 seconds
05:35 <luke-jr_> ALL the way??
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> it's fuel-injected, so pumping the gas pedal is useless.  We want to put the ECM in wide-open-throttle mode, where it just dumps as much gas as it can
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> yes, all the way.  Like they always tell you not to do.
05:36 <luke-jr_> O.o
05:36 <luke-jr_> I already tried most of the way, if that matters
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> (owner's manuals say don't do it, but it doesn't break anything, just floods the engine, which is what we want right now)
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> it does matter
05:36 <luke-jr_> ok, should I try it now then?
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> we need it to do wide-open-throttle, which requires the throttle open all the way.  It's a special mode
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> sure.  Do you hav ea battery charger?
05:37 <luke-jr_> nope
05:37 <luke-jr_> unless AA counts
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> ok, try it, be be miserly with whatever juice is left in the battery :)
05:39 <luke-jr_> it made a popping noise twice
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> that's promising, it'll probably start if you keep doing it
05:41 <luke-jr_> hm
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> it's just really freaking cold right now, which makes everything it normally does take longer
05:42 <luke-jr_> more than 10 seconds longer??
05:42  * GodTodd hated starting his old cars in winter in NE.
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, in extreme cold weather, some cars just won't start at all.  Run fine when it's 20 degrees, but drop it down and they won't start
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> my car took about a minute during the ice storm we had, but it's old and tired
05:43 <luke-jr_> the problem started when it was above freezing
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, so it may not be about the cold, then, is what you're telling me?
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> tell me how it's been behaving.  :)
05:43 <luke-jr_> not if the problems you're talking about is below 20 only
05:43 <luke-jr_> well, took it to Jiffy lube and they changed the oil and transmission fluid
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> it depends on the car.  Most cars take alittle longer to start starting as high as 45 degrees
05:44 <luke-jr_> a few days later, we were leaving the apt complex and I noticed it wasn't accelerating
05:44 <luke-jr_> so I turned around
05:44 <luke-jr_> and it died as we got into the parking space
05:44 <luke-jr_> then just made cranking noises when I tried after that
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> was the engine accelerating and the car wasn't, or was the engine just not going above say 1k rpm or so?
05:44 <luke-jr_> didn't notice that
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> how many miles are on the transmission and how often has it been serviced?
05:45 <luke-jr_> no clue
05:45 <luke-jr_> :)
05:45 <luke-jr_> serviced when it gives us problems mainly
05:45 <luke-jr_> so every few months
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, oops?
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> did you buy the car new, by any chance?
05:46 <luke-jr_> no
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> how many miles were on it when you got it, do you remember?
05:46 <luke-jr_> I don't
05:46 <luke-jr_> 215,000 or so now, supposedly
05:46  * GodTodd hangs his head at the knowledge that he is about 300 miles overdue on his oil change.
05:47 <luke-jr_> my transmission fluid was black XD
05:47 <GodTodd> er....*oops*?
05:47 <GodTodd> heh
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> the thing about automatic transmissions is that without regular service, they will get bad.  But if you go a loooong period without service, then change the fluid, they tend to break immediately
05:47 <luke-jr_> crap
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> it's a little unusual, but not rare, for the breakage to have the symptoms you have described
05:47 <luke-jr_> so I can blame Jiffy Lube?
05:47 <GodTodd> they didn't make you not service the tranny...
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> no, you blame the person who decided to service it.  :)  Jiffy Lube should have given a disclaimer, though.  Anyway, we should consider other problems because it *is* a 10yo car
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> normally the hardcore transmission problems show symptoms way before like slippage and the like
05:48  * GodTodd has a 98 subaru that runs great ;) 
05:48 <GodTodd> heh
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> mostly slippage
05:48 <luke-jr_> I think we got it in 2002 or 2003
05:48  * Lucifer_arma has an 86 celica that runs great ;)
05:49 <spidey> we have a 87 toyota camrey
05:49 <spidey> i think
05:49 <GodTodd> i miss my voyager tho
05:49 <spidey> it's got over 250k miles O.o
05:49 <luke-jr_> so should I keep trying to start it with the gas pedal, or just give up till we find some way to get Heet?
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to suggest that you get a taxi if you're going somewhere tonight, maybe pick up a $500 beater or a rental car and send it to the shop
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> Heet isn't going to help you, it's a preventative measure
05:49 <luke-jr_> :/
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> you can try again with the gas pedal like I suggested, but it may not help.  If it were just about the cold, then it would help, but there's something else going on.
05:50 <luke-jr_> probably cheaper to get a new used car than to repair it...
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> lemme think some.  :)
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> well, if it's the transmission, get a new used car.  It's never worth fixing an automatic transmission (unless it's still under warranty, anyway)
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> if it's not the transmission, hell, maybe a tuneup will fix it :)
05:51 <luke-jr_> wasn't a tuneup what jiffy lube did?
05:51 <luke-jr_> or somethign else
05:51 <spidey> lol
05:51 <GodTodd> no...that was a fluid change
05:51 <spidey> lmao
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that was a fluid change
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> tuneup is changing spark plugs, spark plug wires, distributor cap & rotor (if needed, and if possible), adjust ignition timing (if possible)
05:52 <luke-jr_> that's all? :/
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> then inspect a whole bunch of shit
05:52  * luke-jr_ isn't sure they didn't do that?
05:52  * GodTodd is actually debating tuning the subaru. 
05:52  * Lucifer_arma does his tuneups on the fly
05:52 <GodTodd> were they pulling crap out from under the hood?
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> I've done so many spark plug changes in random parking lots because I put it off....
05:52 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: no idea
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> Jiffy Lube doesn't do tuneups
05:53 <GodTodd> didn't think so
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> or at least, if they do, it's a very new thing
05:53  * Lucifer_arma used to work at Jiffy Lube
05:53 <luke-jr_> how much does a tuneup cost?
05:53 <GodTodd> i thought that was the one you worked at :)
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> ranges from $50->$200 or more, depending on who does it, how much they do, etc.
05:53 <luke-jr_> :|
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> they can be really cheap if you do them yourself
05:53 <luke-jr_> and Jiffy Lube told me I'd be good to drive to Omaha and back in a month
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> ok, next question, is there a light on that says "Check engine" or a cute little engine graphic or anything like that?
05:54 <luke-jr_> it'd probably blow up if i tried :/
05:54 <luke-jr_> yep
05:54 <GodTodd> used to cost me parts and a six pack before i learneded how to do 'em ;)
05:54 <luke-jr_> I mentioned it at Jiffy Lube, actually
05:54 <luke-jr_> and they just turned it off --;;
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> even though I used to work there, Jiffy Lube doesn't hire mechanics.  They get the same people that flip hamburgers and pump them up with training to change fluids.
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, they're covering up valuable information!
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> Now, if I can DCC my GM computer code reader, we'll be set!
05:55 <luke-jr_> yeah
05:55 <luke-jr_> I might have seen the code, but I don't remember it anymore :(
05:55 <luke-jr_> think it started w/ A
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> you have to plug something into a special plug that's under the steering wheel to get the engine light to flash.
05:55 <luke-jr_> I know
05:55 <luke-jr_> I googled that when it died
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> Or, it may (if youre lucky) be new enough to use one of the OBD systems, in which case you can build an adapter and install some software for your PalmOS (tm) machine
05:56 <luke-jr_> unfortunately, GM's is VP or something like that which is expensive to get an adapter for
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> my 97 Camry doesn't have that stuff
05:56 <luke-jr_> as opposed to the serial port ones
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> OBD didn't get implemented until really REALLY close to 2000, and a 98 car should still work with my cheapo GM code reader
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> which is just a jumper, really
05:57 <luke-jr_> cheapo GM code reader??
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not going to be able to give you a quickie fixie over irc for this, sorry
05:57  * luke-jr_ was seeing $100
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, older GM cars, before OBD anyway, had a different way to get the codes
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> OBD just standardized all the different proprietary code readers.  I have a special GM one my dad gave me, but I used to just use jumpers
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> used to be able to jumper any car at will to get the computer codes out of it, it was awesome :)
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> so anyway, if you have to go somewhere, get a taxi, pick up a cheap beater, or get a rental car.  Send this one in and pay the $50 diagnostic fee, then decide what to do.
05:58 <luke-jr_> so should I keep trying to start it with the gas pedal, or just give up till we find some way to get Heet?
05:59 <GodTodd> neither?
05:59 <luke-jr_> :p
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> you can keep trying to start it if it makes you feel better, and you might get lucky and get it started and driving.
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> just remember you're going to have to get it started whenever you're leaving your destination to come back home...
05:59 <GodTodd> key word *lucky* :P
05:59 <luke-jr_> so just give up period? XD
05:59  * luke-jr_ was planning to just leave it running
05:59  * GodTodd saw that coming ;)
06:00 <luke-jr_> tho I'd need to fill up for that... :/
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> depends on where you have to go.  If you're just running to the store or something for a little bit, and you can get it started, then knock yourself out
06:00 <GodTodd> and you can't fill up and run it :P
06:00 <luke-jr_> yeah :/
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> if you're going to work, get a taxi.  :)  Or call a coworker or something.
06:00 <luke-jr_> taxi is expensive
06:00 <luke-jr_> coworker's been giving me rides since Tue
06:00 <luke-jr_> it died Sat
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> oh man, why didn't you say something before?
06:01 <luke-jr_> shrug
06:01  * Lucifer_arma <--- used to train so-called ASE certified pricks
06:01 <luke-jr_> so I'd give up 3 days ago instead of now? :p
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> hey, they say '96 model vehicles are OBD compliant, that's neat
06:02 <luke-jr_> it's more urgent now cuz library books are overdue and out of milk and stuff
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> http://freediag.sourceforge.net/OBD_knowledge.html
06:04 <luke-jr_> SAE-J1850 VPW
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> someday I'm going to get an adapter
06:05 <luke-jr_> BTW, I called Geico Emergency Roadside Assistance to try to get them to deliver some dry gas
06:05 <luke-jr_> earlier
06:05 <luke-jr_> they said that it's not covered -.-
06:05 <luke-jr_> and I mentioned oil
06:05 <luke-jr_> and they said that's not covered either
06:05 <luke-jr_> yet there it is on my policy docs
06:05 <luke-jr_> wtf
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> ask them to tow it, is that covered?  If it is, tow it to a garage, but get the tow-truck driver to stop by the grocery store and your house first :)
06:06  * luke-jr_ wonders if he should drop it since it's more or less useless
06:06 <luke-jr_> yes
06:06 <luke-jr_> think he'd do that?
06:07 <Lucifer_arma> probably not, but if you give hiim a good enough tip...
06:07 <Lucifer_arma> otoh, it might be cheaper to get a taxi than to bribe the wrecker
06:07 <luke-jr_> haha
06:07 <luke-jr_> $30 for taxi
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> too bad you're not towing the other way, because it's always easy to get the driver to stop by when he's taking you home
06:08 <luke-jr_> hm
06:08  * luke-jr_ wonders if he could get them to tow it both ways as seperate incidents if the heet doesn't work
06:08 <luke-jr_> eg, use the tow as a taxi
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> nope
06:08 <luke-jr_> :\
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> I'm sure if you look in your coverage you'll see something like "only to a garage" or something like that
06:09 <luke-jr_> they offer to tow it to walmart!
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> walmart's got a service center
06:09 <luke-jr_> not this one
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> really?
06:09 <luke-jr_> I think
06:09 <luke-jr_> maybe it does, in the back or something
06:09  * Lucifer_arma can't remember seeing a walmart without a service center
06:10 <luke-jr_> I'll just need to eat the library fine :/
06:10 <luke-jr_> stupid no-grace-period bs
06:10 <luke-jr_> :p
06:12 <luke-jr_> I need to deposit my paycheck from last week too :/
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> hey, $83 isn't bad for a connector
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> at least, if you know what you're doing with it.  ;)
06:14  * Lucifer_arma notes that most hand tools sell for $50->$150, if they're any good.
06:14 <luke-jr_> they do?
06:14 <luke-jr_> pretty sure my wire trimmers were only like $5
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> that's because they were probably cheap junker trimmers
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> do they say "made in taiwan" on them?
06:15 <luke-jr_> trimmers are trimmers
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> heh
06:15 <luke-jr_> yep
06:15 <luke-jr_> how'd you guess
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> my wife and I looked at this "really nice" toolset at Harbor Freight.  She said "Those pliers are relaly nice"
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> then she pointed at them, and touched them, and they broke.
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> so we left there and never went back.
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> the best tools around are made in the US, which doesn't mean that all tools made in the US are good
06:16 <GodTodd> my father in law only gets them from sears
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> I've got a mix of MacTools and Craftsman, with some miscellanous snap-on tools in there
06:16 <luke-jr_> you're right
06:16 <luke-jr_> these suck
06:16 <luke-jr_> they try to have size adjustments
06:16  * luke-jr_ just opened it
06:17 <luke-jr_> wtf do I need size adjustments for?
06:17  * Lucifer_arma doesn't know, he uses his swiss army knife to cut wires
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> speaking of whiches, the very best tool ever made is made in Switzerland :)
06:17 <luke-jr_> I can't use a knife, but I grew up using the same thing that just didn't have a stop-point
06:18 <luke-jr_> btw, radio shack solder irons suck
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> yes, they do.  I don't do much soldering though, so I just have a pretty cheap one, don't even remember where I got it
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> I use my wire clippers solely to cut guitar strings
06:20 <luke-jr_> I don't either
06:20 <luke-jr_> but it's kinda ridiculous that it burns itself
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> one of the autoparts stores has a brand of tools that's actually gotten good in recent years, but I seem to have forgotten who it is
06:21 <luke-jr_> hm
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> all's I know is, the only time I've ever bandaged my knuckles over tools made in the US was with that shitty Mac ratchet I bought
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> but I've bandaged my knuckles plenty of times over taiwan tools
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> I want to say it's NAPA that's got pretty good tools now
06:24  * Lucifer_arma should just go look, he's got some of them
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> hey, today's Texan Independence Day!
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> er, tomorrow, I mean
06:29 <luke-jr_> Texas is independent of the US now?
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> Texas, however, was the only seceding Mexican state to retain its independence.  <--- wtf?  Did they even read what they wrote?
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> Texas didn't "retain its independence", it handed it over to the US
06:34 <luke-jr_> immediately?
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> no, but it wasn't independent for terribly long
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> about 10 years is all
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06:48 <luke-jr_> http://xkcd.com/c225.html
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07:04 <Lucifer_arma> dude, that comic is totally emo, why did you link it here?
07:07  * GodTodd thinks Lucifer_arma answered his own question...
07:07 <GodTodd> ;)
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> now I'm stuck trying to find a non-emo episode in it :(
07:08 <GodTodd> haha
07:10  * GodTodd is stuck coding a magic square program. :/
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> http://xkcd.com/c91.html
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> found one
07:15 <GodTodd> meh
07:16 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
07:16 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Custer & Pleasant Valley, Plano, Texas is 42.6°F (12:20 AM CST on March 02, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 28.4°F. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009.0 hPa. 
07:16  * GodTodd shivers.
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07:21 <Bougo> yello!
07:21 <Bougo> (07:25:11) armabot: Sent 10 hours and 38 minutes ago: <epsy> a CIA bot has come Oo :/
07:21 <Bougo> (07:25:12) armabot: Sent 10 hours and 38 minutes ago: <wrtlprnft> fixed, thanks.
07:21 <Bougo> why did i get those messages? xD
07:21 <GodTodd> #help m
07:21 <armabot> GodTodd: (m <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "message $*".
07:21 <GodTodd> ;)
07:21 <Bougo> oh ok :p
07:22 <Bougo> so there's message, and also tell
07:22 <Bougo> what's the difference?
07:22 <GodTodd> #help tell
07:22 <armabot> GodTodd: (tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells the <nick> whatever <text> is. Use nested commands to your benefit here.
07:22 <Bougo> er no i mean later*
07:23 <GodTodd> i think it's a matter of private/not private
07:23 <GodTodd> dunno for sure tho
07:23 <Bougo> err no, nevermind
07:23 <Bougo> ima tell myself to try
07:23 <Bougo> #tell Bougo bleh
07:23 <Bougo> yep, it's private
07:23 <Bougo> but message too
07:24 <GodTodd> #help later
07:24 <armabot> GodTodd: Error: There is no command "later".
07:24 <GodTodd> heh
07:25 <Bougo> err no it's a group
07:25 <Bougo> nevermind :p
07:25 <GodTodd> well...one's an alias and one's not :D
07:25 <Bougo> oh yea
07:25 <Bougo> message is an alias for tell o.O
07:26 <Bougo> #message bougo test
07:26 <armabot> Bougo: The operation succeeded.
07:27 <Bougo> err #later tell is different from #tell
07:27 <Bougo> ew!
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07:28 <Bougo> yello
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> message is an alias for later tell
07:32 <Bougo> yup, i just said it :)
07:33 <Bougo> byebye
07:33 <Bougo> school time
07:33 <Bougo> cyas
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08:12 <Lucifer_arma> anybody up for some fortress?
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08:41 <epsy> hi
08:42 <_Sticky_> hay
09:04 <_Sticky_> #serverinfo
09:04 <armabot> _Sticky_: Usage: #serverdetails [-v] {name}
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09:13 <DrJoeTron> #ping
09:13 <armabot> pong
09:13 <DrJoeTron> whadup armabot
09:15 <spidey> wow
09:15 <spidey> how lame
09:16 <spidey> there's a teamspeak exploit out
09:16 <spidey> a few actually
09:16 <DrJoeTron> oh yeah?
09:16 <DrJoeTron> what do they have to say?
09:16 <spidey> this guy came into a server me and anjori where in
09:16 <spidey> anjori was talking but i wasn't
09:16 <spidey> somehow he made anjoris client freeze
09:17 <spidey> he was able to ghost himself..like be invisible
09:17 <DrJoeTron> haha
09:17 <spidey> but you could still hear him
09:17 <DrJoeTron> thats pretty neat
09:17 <spidey> no
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09:17 <spidey> it's gay
09:18 <spidey> if i wanted my client to freeze, i'd cause it to crash myself
09:20 <z-man> #lastseen fear
09:20 <armabot> z-man: Fearless has last been seen on Strawberry Fields 0 days 7 hours 17 minutes ago.
09:22 <spidey> #night
09:22 <armabot> Good night spidey!
09:27 <z-man> #lastseen <fear
09:27 <DrJoeTron> man my sleep cycle is out of whack
09:28 <armabot> z-man: timed out
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10:12 <Lucifer_arma> are you the real spidey?
10:15 <spidey> are you the real Lucifer_arma
10:15 <Lucifer_arma> heh
10:15 <spidey> i was going to sleep
10:15 <spidey> then anjori and lizz woke me up on teamspeak
10:15 <Lucifer_arma> man, the trunk, I don't know what's up.  Maybe it's something about my configuration, but get 3-4 players and my fps falls below 10 :(
10:15 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, ant = anjori, I keep forgetting
10:15  * spidey forgot to turn the volume down
10:16 <Lucifer_arma> hey
10:16 <spidey> you should try tremulous
10:16 <Lucifer_arma> we should all pick some word, and choose names that are part of it
10:16 <Lucifer_arma> like:
10:16 <spidey> it's a nice game
10:16 <spidey> open source to
10:17 <Lucifer_arma> __th_rf_____
10:17 <Lucifer_arma> then someone else would be:
10:17 <Lucifer_arma> mo__e_____er
10:17 <Lucifer_arma> and someone else would be:
10:17 <spidey> lol
10:17 <Lucifer_arma> ______fu____
10:17 <Lucifer_arma> etc
10:17 <Lucifer_arma> what's tremulous about?
10:18 <spidey> there's 2 teams
10:18 <spidey> humans and aliens
10:18 <Lucifer_arma> wait, fps?
10:18 <spidey> yea
10:18 <spidey> well
10:18 <spidey> it's a combo
10:18 <spidey> fps and rts
10:18  * Lucifer_arma suspects he knows which game you're talking about
10:20 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's not the game I thought it was
10:20 <spidey> heh
10:20 <Lucifer_arma> and I'm not terribly interested.  I don't play fps, sorry
10:20 <spidey> it's a fun game :P
10:20 <spidey> i like dretchs :D
10:20 <spidey> you jump at people and bite them
10:20 <spidey> o.O
10:20 <spidey> they look like spiders , he
10:20 <spidey> heh*
10:20 <Lucifer_arma> lemme see if I can dig up the game I thought it was, because that one looks like a fun game
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10:22 <spidey> ok
10:22 <spidey> really going to bed this time
10:22 <spidey> and muting teamspeak >.<
10:22 <spidey> #night
10:22 <armabot> Good night spidey!
10:23 <Lucifer_arma> http://ufo2000.sourceforge.net/
10:27 <Lucifer_arma> man.  Everybody left while I was building 0.3.0 :(
11:28 <wrtlprnft> #later tell *bougo* #later tell sends a message to the user the next time (s)he is seen (ie says something in here). #tell immediately sends the message, and fails if the user isn't online. #message and #m are aliases to #later tell, I think.
11:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
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13:24 <epsy> #time
13:24 <armabot> epsy: 01:39 PM, March 02, 2007
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15:05 <ghableska> #morning
15:05 <armabot> Good Morning ghableska Random Fortune: Q: How do you stop an elephant from charging? || A: Take away his credit cards.
15:07 -!- Stempo [n=47dcae9a@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
15:08 <Stempo> http://durka.freehostia.com/viewtopic.php?t=476&highlight=
15:08 <Stempo> scroll down a bit...
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15:10 <madmax|pt> lol
15:11 <madmax|pt> good thinking
15:11 <digitx> #time
15:11 <armabot> digitx: 03:26 PM, March 02, 2007
15:11 <ghableska> #weather 50266
15:11 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 24.6°F (8:12 AM CST on March 02, 2007). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 17.6°F. Windchill: 12.2°F. Pressure: 28.36 in 960.3 hPa.  Blizzard Warning in effect until 6 PM CST this afternoon... 
15:11 <Stempo> was that towards me max?
15:11 <digitx> #kill ghableska 
15:11 <armabot> ghableska will die on Sun Aug 29 13:45:54 1999 due to being stabbed in the eye by wrtlprnft.
15:11 <ghableska> ...
15:11 <ghableska> #kill digitx
15:11 <armabot> digitx will die on Sun Jan 14 21:38:31 1996 due to being stabbed in the eye by MaZuffeR.
15:11 <digitx> XD
15:11 <madmax|pt> yes
15:12 <Stempo> nice
15:12 <Stempo> thankies
15:12 <digitx> #list
15:12 <armabot> digitx: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
15:12 <digitx> juj
15:12 <digitx> D
15:13 <madmax|pt> #markov
15:13 <madmax|pt> #help markov
15:13 <armabot> madmax|pt: (markov [<channel>] [word1 [word2]]) -- Returns a randomly-generated Markov Chain generated sentence from the data kept on <channel> (which is only necessary if not sent in the channel itself). If word1 and word2 are specified, they will be used to start the Markov chain.
15:13  * spidey yawns
15:13 <ghableska> o_O
15:13  * ghableska pokes spidey
15:13 <madmax|pt> O_o
15:13  * spidey stabs ghableska  in the eye
15:13 <ghableska> #wikipedia Markov
15:14 <armabot> ghableska: Search took 0.28 seconds: Markov chain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markov_chain>; Andrey Markov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrey_Markov>; Hidden Markov model - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_Markov_model>; Markov process - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (2 more messages)
15:14 <spidey> #markov #armagetron ghableska sucks
15:14 <ghableska> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markov_chain <-- huh?
15:14 <spidey> #markov ghableska sucks
15:14 <ghableska> brb
15:14 <spidey> #markov ghableska
15:15 <madmax|pt> ah, probability theory
15:15 <digitx> #ping
15:15 <armabot> pong
15:15 <madmax|pt> i'll probably learn about Markov then
15:15 <spidey> #markov
15:15 <spidey> wtf's it do?
15:15 <digitx> #markov armagetron bla bla2
15:15 <armabot> digitx: (markov [<channel>] [word1 [word2]]) -- Returns a randomly-generated Markov Chain generated sentence from the data kept on <channel> (which is only necessary if not sent in the channel itself). If word1 and word2 are specified, they will be used to start the Markov chain.
15:15 <digitx> #markov #armagetron bla bla2
15:15 <spidey> #list freshmeat
15:15 <armabot> spidey: freshmeat
15:16 <spidey> #freshmeat
15:16 <armabot> spidey: (freshmeat <project name>) -- Returns Freshmeat data about a given project.
15:16 <spidey> #list alias
15:16 <armabot> spidey: add, armabot, armaconfig, bigbrother, bug, chatlog, check, dance, date, die, die, digg, do, eliza, f, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, ircstats, joke, kill, lastseen, legit, lock, log, log, luke, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, onlineplayers, onlineservers, piong, poing, praise, q, realchatlogs, remove, resources, rou, roulette, rules, serverdetails, serverinfo, svn, t, (1 more message)
15:16 <digitx> #list owner
15:16 <armabot> digitx: announce, defaultcapability, defaultplugin, disable, enable, flush, ircquote, load, log, quit, reload, rename, unload, unrename, and upkeep
15:16 <digitx> xD
15:16 <spidey> #rules
15:16 <armabot> A web variant of the english language in which letters are replaced with numbers and/or symbols that approximate letters. Though its use is considered cool in certain gaming or hacking communities, it's use here is frowned upon except in a strictly satirical sense. Talking like this was cool when you were 8 and used AOL. Figure it out.
15:17 <digitx> #list channel
15:17 <armabot> digitx: alert, ban add, ban list, ban remove, capability add, capability list, capability remove, capability set, capability setdefault, capability unset, cycle, dehalfop, deop, devoice, disable, enable, halfop, ignore add, ignore list, ignore remove, invite, kban, key, kick, limit, lobotomy add, lobotomy list, lobotomy remove, mode, moderate, nicks, op, unban, unmoderate, and voice
15:17 <digitx> #list admin
15:17 <armabot> digitx: capability add, capability remove, channels, ignore add, ignore list, ignore remove, join, nick, and part
15:17 <digitx> #list utilities
15:17 <armabot> digitx: apply, echo, ignore, last, shuffle, and success
15:17 <digitx> #list misc
15:17 <armabot> digitx: apropos, help, last, list, more, ping, source, tell, and version
15:17 <spidey> ..
15:17 <digitx> #version
15:17 <digitx> ?
15:18 <armabot> digitx: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.1+darcs.  The newest version available online is 0.83.2.
15:18 <digitx> ja
15:18 <spidey> madmax|pt, make me breakfast
15:18 <madmax|pt> hmm, no
15:18 <spidey> y
15:19 <madmax|pt> "because" ?
15:19 <spidey> because why?
15:19  * madmax|pt pokes spidey 
15:19 <spidey> wtf's with all the pokking!
15:20 <spidey> -k
15:20  * spidey kicks madmax|pt in the shin
15:20 <madmax|pt> aggressiveness is the way to go
15:20 <spidey> :(
15:20 <spidey> can't we all just be friends!
15:21 <madmax|pt> tell that to Bush
15:21 <spidey> fine
15:22 <spidey> what's his number
15:22 <spidey> o.O
15:22 <madmax|pt> I have his AOL, but he's offline
15:22 <spidey> ...
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15:22 <spidey> seriously? O.o
15:23 <spidey> brb
15:23 <spidey> i have to make my own breakfast since madmax|pt's lazy
15:25 <madmax|pt> hmmm... that's probably true once in a while
15:26 <madmax|pt> not now though. I really won't make you breakfast just because :P
15:32  * wrtlprnft finally stabs ghableska into his eyes
15:32 <wrtlprnft> 8 years late
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15:42  * ghableska throws a waffle at spidey
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15:55 <spidey> ..
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16:23 <Bougo> helloes
16:24 <madmax|pt> hi
16:24 <Bougo> hey wrtlprnft , do you read all the logs ??? O.o
16:24 <Bougo> xD
16:25 <spidey> if he reads all the logs he has to much time on his hands
16:25 <spidey> heh
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16:26 <Bougo> CIA alert!
16:26 <digitx> XD
16:26 <digitx> lol
16:27 <Bougo> what are we supposed to do
16:27 <Bougo> say hello?
16:27 <Bougo> hello CIA
16:27 <Bougo> err
16:27 <Bougo> #hello CIA
16:27 <armabot> Hello Bougo :) Random Fortune: Q: How many Bell Labs Vice Presidents does it take to change a light bulb? || A: That's proprietary information. Answer available from AT on payment || of license fee (binary only).
16:27 <Bougo> oh it doesnt work
16:27 <digitx> xD
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16:29 <digitx> cya cia
16:29 <digitx> XD
16:29 <Bougo> it didnt leave
16:30 <epsy> cuz we need to kick'em
16:30 <epsy> but armabot doesn't want :/
16:30 <Bougo> armabot cant
16:30 <Bougo> it isnt op :(
16:30 <digitx> armabot my gf
16:31 <Bougo> who can help us?
16:31 <Bougo> #eliza Are you digitx's girlfriend?
16:31 <armabot> Bougo: What do you think?
16:31 <digitx> XD
16:31 <Bougo> #eightball Are you digitx's girlfriend?
16:31 <armabot> Bougo: NO.
16:31 <Bougo> aha!
16:31 <digitx> LOL
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16:31 <Bougo> #eliza Are you digitx's girlfriend?
16:31 <armabot> Bougo: What do you think?
16:31 <Bougo> err
16:31 <Bougo> #eightball Are you digitx's girlfriend?
16:31 <armabot> Bougo: No chance.
16:31 <Bougo> wrong command
16:32 <digitx> xD
16:35 <digitx> daaamn
16:35 <Bougo> muh?
16:35 <digitx> moo
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16:35 <Bougo> you did it!
16:35 <digitx> daamn
16:35 <digitx> +a
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16:35 <Bougo> muh?
16:35 <digitx> moo
16:35 <Bougo> moo
16:35 <Bougo> moo
16:35 <Bougo> moo
16:35 <digitx> xD
16:35 <Bougo> it doesnt work
16:35 <digitx> mooooo
16:35 <Bougo> muh?
16:35 <epsy> #roulete
16:35 <epsy> xD
16:35 <epsy> #roulette
16:35 <Bougo> #roulette
16:35 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
16:35  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
16:35 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
16:35 <epsy> :D
16:35 <Bougo> :(
16:35  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
16:35 <digitx> epsy roulette master XD
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16:36 <Bougo> kick teh CIA
16:36 <Bougo> yee!
16:36 <digitx> xD
16:36 <digitx> lol
16:36 <Bougo> it doesnt come back
16:36 <Bougo> /Help
16:36 <Bougo> oops
16:36 <Bougo> i think ima install mIRC
16:36 <Bougo> or something
16:36 <Bougo> what client are you guys using?
16:37 <Bougo> ew i guess you're all linuxians
16:37 <guru3> irssi
16:37 <Bougo> ew, are you serious?
16:37 <Bougo> ive just checked wikipedia
16:38 <Bougo> command line IRC, funny
16:38 <guru3> yeah
16:38 <guru3> do a ctcp version
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16:40 <digitx> damn
16:40  * wrtlprnft is using irssi as well
16:41  * epsy want to have a working IRC transport...
16:41 <epsy> *wants -.-
16:42 <epsy> digitx, i dont know how to do that
16:42 <ghableska> shoveling snow sucks
16:42 <ghableska> #weather 50266
16:42 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 25.0°F (9:41 AM CST on March 02, 2007). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 17.6°F. Windchill: 10.4°F. Pressure: 28.39 in 961.3 hPa.  Blizzard Warning in effect until 6 PM CST this afternoon... 
16:42 <Bougo> ew
16:42 <digitx> eps
16:43 <madmax|pt> is Iowa that bad?
16:43 <ghableska> sometimes
16:43 <Bougo> #weather Brussels
16:43 <armabot> Bougo: Temperature: 50°F / 10°C | Humidity: 47% | Pressure: 29.77in / 1008hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 10mph / 17km/h | Updated: 4:20 PM CET; Rain. High:50 ° F. / 10 ° C.; Rain. Low:42 ° F. / 6 ° C.; Chance of Rain. High:50 ° F. / 10 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:41 ° F. / 5 ° C.; Partly Cloudy. High:51 ° F. / 11 ° C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:44 ° F. / 7 ° C.;
16:44 <digitx> eps look vnc
16:44 <digitx> D
16:44 <Bougo> vncD?
16:44 <digitx> vnc
16:44 <Bougo> whats's
16:44 <Bougo> err
16:44 <Bougo> what's vnc
16:44 <Bougo> questionmarkquestionmarkquestionmark
16:45 <digitx> VNC
16:45 <digitx> xD
16:45 <Bougo> #wikipedia VNC
16:45 <armabot> Bougo: Search took 0.15 seconds: Virtual Network Computing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VNC>; Category: VNC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:VNC>; Chicken of the VNC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_of_the_VNC>; Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-05-02 TightVNC link on (2 more messages)
16:45 <Bougo> chicken of the virtual network computing
16:45 -!- luke-jr [n=luke-jr@adsl-76-194-177-181.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net] has joined #armagetron
16:46 <Bougo> yelloo!
16:46 <Bougo> #luke
16:46 <armabot> STFU baka noob?? RTFM?? ur lame or smth.
16:46 <Bougo> huh?
16:47 <Bougo> #monologue
16:47 <armabot> Bougo: Your current monologue is at least 6 lines long.
16:47 <Bougo> EW!
16:47 <Bougo> brbr
16:47 <Bougo> err -r
16:48 <ghableska> #monologue
16:48 <armabot> ghableska: Your current monologue is at least 1 line long.
16:48 <ghableska> o_O
16:48 <Bougo> pwnt
16:48 <Bougo> #help monologue
16:48 <armabot> Bougo: (monologue [<channel>]) -- Returns the number of consecutive lines you've sent in <channel> without being interrupted by someone else (i.e. how long your current 'monologue' is). <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
16:49 <epsy> hoh
16:49 <digitx> eps
16:49 <digitx> vnc
16:49 <digitx> XD
16:49 <epsy> #monoloque
16:49 <ghableska> 1
16:49 <ghableska> 3
16:49 <ghableska> 4
16:49 <ghableska> 4
16:49 <ghableska> 6
16:49 <ghableska> 6
16:49 <ghableska> 6
16:49 <digitx> lol
16:49 <ghableska> #monologue
16:49 <armabot> ghableska: Your current monologue is at least 1 line long.
16:49 <Bougo> cant you count?
16:49 <ghableska> ...\
16:49 <epsy> #monologue
16:49 <Bougo> PWNT
16:49 <armabot> epsy: Your current monologue is at least 1 line long.
16:49 <epsy> ???
16:49 <epsy> no
16:49 <Bougo> #monologue
16:49 <armabot> Bougo: Your current monologue is at least 1 line long.
16:49 <Bougo> wtf?
16:49 <epsy> not possible :D
16:49 <ghableska> PWNT
16:49 <digitx> #monologue
16:49 <armabot> digitx: Your current monologue is at least 1 line long.
16:49 <Bougo> i guess you have to type longer messages
16:49 <digitx> oh eliza baby
16:49 <epsy> me ?
16:49 <digitx> XD
16:50 <digitx> #monologue epsy
16:50 <armabot> digitx: (monologue [<channel>]) -- Returns the number of consecutive lines you've sent in <channel> without being interrupted by someone else (i.e. how long your current 'monologue' is). <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
16:50 <digitx> XD
16:50 <digitx> #monologue #armagetron
16:50 <armabot> digitx: Your current monologue is at least 4 lines long.
16:50 <digitx> damn lol
16:50 <digitx> xD
16:50 <digitx> #monologue #armagetron
16:50 <armabot> digitx: Your current monologue is at least 7 lines long.
16:50 <digitx> -
16:50 <digitx> #monologue #armagetron
16:50 <armabot> digitx: Your current monologue is at least 9 lines long.
16:50 <digitx> cool
16:50 <digitx> :{
16:50 <wrtlprnft> asdf
16:50 <digitx> :P
16:50 <digitx> #monologue #armagetron
16:50 <armabot> digitx: Your current monologue is at least 2 lines long.
16:50 <digitx> LOL
16:50 <digitx> xD
16:50 <epsy> #monologue #armagetron
16:50 <armabot> epsy: Your current monologue is at least 1 line long.
16:50 <epsy> -.-
16:50 <digitx> --
16:50 <digitx> -
16:50 <digitx> -
16:50 <digitx> #monologue #armagetron
16:50 <armabot> digitx: Your current monologue is at least 4 lines long.
16:50 <wrtlprnft> 16:50 <armabot> Your current monologue is at least 0 lines long.
16:50 <digitx> LOPL
16:50 <wrtlprnft> private msg :P
16:51 <digitx> pythoonboot
16:51 <epsy> lol
16:51 <digitx> xD
16:51 <Bougo> In particle physics, a meson is a strongly interacting boson,
16:51 <Bougo> that is, it is a hadron with integral spin.
16:51 <Bougo> In the Standard Model, mesons are composite (non-elementary)
16:51 <Bougo> particles composed of an even number of quarks and antiquarks.
16:51 <Bougo> All known mesons are believed to consist of a quark-antiquark
16:51 <Bougo> pair — the so-called valence quarks — plus a "sea" of virtual
16:51 <Bougo> quark-antiquark pairs and virtual gluons.
16:51 <Bougo> Searches for exotic mesons that have different constituents are ongoing.
16:51 <Bougo> The valence quarks may exist in a superposition of flavor states;
16:51 <Bougo> for example, the neutral pion is neither an up-antiup pair nor a
16:51 <digitx> FLOOD
16:51 <digitx> XD
16:51 <Bougo> down-antidown pair, but an equal superposition of both.
16:51 <Bougo> #monologue
16:51 <digitx> KICK XD
16:51 <armabot> Bougo: Your current monologue is at least 2 lines long.
16:51 <digitx> xD
16:51 <Bougo> wtf
16:51 <digitx> epsy
16:51 <digitx> look .
16:52 <epsy> wrtlprnft, i tough you wasn't far from top monologuers 
16:52 <epsy> digitx, ?
16:52 <wrtlprnft> Bougo: don't do that…
16:52 <digitx>  epsy ?
16:52 <epsy> digitx, ?
16:52 <Bougo> ok wrtl, sorry
16:52 <digitx> epsy, ?
16:52 <wrtlprnft> spidey talks to him/herself a lot. He/She wrote over 5 lines in a row 880 times! 
16:52 <wrtlprnft> Another lonely one was wrtlprnft, who managed to hit 650 times.
16:52 <wrtlprnft> np
16:52 <Bougo> yea, 11 lines of text is a bit too long
16:52 <digitx> epsy, look vnc
16:52 <epsy> grr wrtl did it to fix as of the first ime :P
16:52 <epsy> *did it tto me
16:52 <epsy> huh my typo isn't good now
16:53 <wrtlprnft> actually you're making quite interesting typos
16:53 <epsy> digitx, i got disconnected too
16:53 <wrtlprnft> interesting typos == good typos?
16:53 <digitx> jah
16:53 <digitx> k
16:53 <digitx> jaim.at :S
16:53 <digitx> hm
16:53 <epsy> i will slap the sysadmin of that server someday
16:54  * madmax|pt slaps POV-ray
16:54 <wrtlprnft> why?
16:54 <epsy> ah
16:54 <wrtlprnft> povray rocks :)
16:54 <epsy> connecting again :)
16:54 <digitx> na
16:54 <digitx> now good
16:54 <digitx> :D
16:55 <madmax|pt> I'm starting to learn something about it... thing is, I can't seem to render anything with the gui for Mac OS
16:56 <madmax|pt> must be some dumb thing
16:56 <epsy> wtf with conference.jabber.org...all russian Oo
16:56 -!- digitx is now known as damn
16:56 -!- damn is now known as dammmn
16:56 <epsy> #damn dammmn 
16:56 <dammmn> XXD
16:58 <dammmn> paff
16:58 <epsy> ?
16:58 <dammmn> eps
16:58 <dammmn> look 
16:58 <dammmn> xD
16:59 <Bougo> now we can write dammmn faster
16:59 <Bougo> d<tab>
16:59 <Bougo> thank you digitx
16:59 <dammmn> D
16:59 <dammmn> i know ..
16:59 <guru3> how fast can you type the alphabet?
16:59 <dammmn> Bougo, 
16:59 <dammmn> guru3, 
16:59 <dammmn> epsy, 
16:59 <dammmn> :P
16:59 <dammmn> :D
17:00 <madmax|pt> there was a flash game with that right?
17:00 <Bougo> i is able write alphabet the minute one
17:00 <Bougo> a
17:00 <Bougo> b
17:00 <Bougo> d
17:00 <Bougo> ew shoot
17:01 <epsy> #damn dammmn 
17:01 <armabot> Luke-jr damns dammmn in the hell for eternity.
17:01 <Bougo> #damn
17:01 <armabot> Bougo: (damn <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "echo Luke-jr damns $1 in the hell for eternity.".
17:01 <Bougo> ew
17:02 <Bougo> #damn Luke-jr damns  Luke-jr damns Luke-jr in the hell for eternity. in the hell for eternity.
17:02 <Bougo> it doesnt work :(
17:02 <ghableska> heh
17:02 <epsy> #damn himself
17:03 <dammmn> epsy, ?
17:03 <ghableska> #kill luke-jr
17:03 <armabot> luke-jr will die on Fri Feb 15 12:06:24 2008 due to being stabbed in the eye by mkzelda.
17:03 <ghableska> :D
17:03 <Bougo> huh
17:03 <dammmn> #kill ghableska 
17:03 <armabot> ghableska will die on Mon Aug  1 19:56:32 1988 due to being stabbed in the eye by CIA-24.
17:03 <Bougo> #kill Bougo
17:03 <armabot> Bougo will die on Fri Sep  9 14:22:32 1983 due to being stabbed in the eye by wrtlprnft.
17:03 <Bougo> 1983?
17:03 <Bougo> jeeze
17:03 <ghableska> wrtlprnft can time travel
17:03 <dammmn> 2008 XD
17:03 <epsy> #damn himself
17:03 <armabot> Luke-jr damns himself in the hell for eternity.
17:03 <Bougo> it's in like -24 years
17:03 <epsy> haha
17:03 <dammmn> epsy, ?
17:03 <dammmn> epsy, ?
17:04 <Bougo> i have -24 years left!
17:04 <dammmn> epsy, ?
17:04 <Bougo> epsy, ?
17:04 <dammmn> epsy, ?
17:04 <madmax|pt> o_O
17:04 <dammmn> XD
17:04 <Bougo> #damn "epsy, ?"
17:04 <Bougo> ew
17:04 <dammmn> #kill epsy
17:04 <armabot> epsy will die on Thu Mar 30 11:06:07 1995 due to being stabbed in the eye by MaZuffeR.
17:04 <dammmn> XD
17:04 <Bougo> #echo echo
17:04 <armabot> echo
17:04 <dammmn> #echo damn
17:04 <armabot> damn
17:05 <Bougo> #echo #echo damn
17:05 <dammmn> #echo oh digitx baby XD
17:05 <armabot> #echo damn
17:05 <armabot> oh digitx baby XD
17:05 <Bougo> help echo
17:05 <Bougo> #help echo
17:05 <armabot> Bougo: (echo <text>) -- Returns the arguments given it. Uses our standard substitute on the string(s) given to it; $nick (or $who), $randomNick, $randomInt, $botnick, $channel, $user, $host, $today, $now, and $randomDate are all handled appropriately.
17:05 <Bougo> echo $randomDate
17:05 <Bougo> #echo $randomDate
17:05 <armabot> Wed May 30 00:07:01 1990
17:05 <Bougo> heh, i was 3 deays old
17:05 <Bougo> days*
17:06 <dammmn> #echo $now
17:06 <armabot> Fri Mar  2 17:21:22 2007
17:06 <dammmn> #echo $who
17:06 <armabot> dammmn
17:06 <dammmn> #echo $user
17:06 <armabot> n=digitx
17:06 <dammmn> #echo $botnick
17:06 <armabot> armabot
17:06 <Bougo> #echu $user
17:06 <Bougo> #echo $user
17:06 <armabot> n=MrBougo
17:06 <dammmn> #echo $randomInt
17:06 <armabot> -919
17:06 <Bougo> echu,rite
17:06 <dammmn> #echo $randomInt
17:06 <armabot> -778
17:06 <dammmn> #echo $randomNick
17:06 <armabot> madmax|pt
17:06 <dammmn> #echo $randomNick
17:06 <armabot> guru3
17:06 <Bougo> #eval 1+1
17:07 <epsy> #damn dammmn 
17:07 <armabot> madmax|pt damns dammmn.
17:07 <ghableska> ...
17:07 <epsy> #damn dammmn 
17:07 <armabot> Lucifer_arma damns dammmn.
17:07 -!- epsy [n=epsy@mar75-4-82-227-65-72.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["END OF LINE"]
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17:07 <Bougo> huh
17:07 <epsy> #damn dammmn 
17:07 <armabot> Bougo damns dammmn.
17:08 <Bougo> yup, I do
17:08 <dammmn> xD
17:08 <epsy> awww -.-
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17:08 <dammmn> epsy, ?
17:08 <epsy> didn't saw i was ahead in history
17:08 <DrJoeTron> http://www.somethingawful.com/d/photoshop-phriday/animal-anomalies-mutations.php?page=1 They put mine up!
17:08 <DrJoeTron> holy fuck this is so cool
17:09 <Bougo> which is yours joe?
17:09 <Bougo> hello btw :p
17:09 <DrJoeTron> page 2
17:09 <DrJoeTron> the eagle giraffe
17:09 <DrJoeTron> Dr. Joetron :O
17:10 <Bougo> o yea nice xD
17:10 <guru3> mr jetski accident lover
17:11 <Bougo> ive seen some nice pictures like this on dA
17:11 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
17:11 <Bougo> is the comment true?
17:11 <DrJoeTron> nah
17:11 <ghableska> DrJoeTron: cs:s? :D
17:11 <Bougo> eww phew
17:11 <DrJoeTron> ghableska i have to leave for class in 10 minutes
17:11 <Bougo> ew :(
17:11 <DrJoeTron> nah
17:11 <ghableska> you still have to go to school? :P
17:11 <DrJoeTron> its only for an hour
17:11 <DrJoeTron> hmm
17:11 <DrJoeTron> i wonder
17:12 <DrJoeTron> i can't believe they put mine up!
17:12 <Bougo> lawlz
17:12 <Bougo> dont get mad
17:12 <DrJoeTron> this is so cool
17:12 <ghableska> put yours up as what?
17:12 <DrJoeTron> http://www.somethingawful.com/d/photoshop-phriday/animal-anomalies-mutations.php?page=2 2nd image
17:12 <Bougo> 1st step to fame!
17:13 <ghableska> your true love :)
17:13 <Bougo> come back for the secondin 30 years
17:13 <ghableska> todd, right?
17:13 <Bougo> second in*
17:13 <Bougo> jeeze that Gaim smileys are awful
17:16 -!- spider [i=spider@adsl-065-006-218-226.sip.mem.bellsouth.net] has joined #armagetron
17:16 <Bougo> hellow
17:17 <spider> hi
17:17 -!- spider is now known as spidey
17:17 -!- epsy_ [n=epsy@] has joined #armagetron
17:17 <DrJoeTron> spidey http://www.somethingawful.com/d/photoshop-phriday/animal-anomalies-mutations.php?page=1 they put my picture up :D
17:17 <Bougo> wb
17:17 <Bougo> haha joe, you should set it as topic
17:17 <DrJoeTron> on the boards?
17:17 <Bougo> xD
17:18 <Bougo> on the channel
17:18 <DrJoeTron> haha yeah, if i want to get probated for shit posting
17:18 <DrJoeTron> oh
17:18 <Bougo> xD
17:18 <DrJoeTron> nah
17:18 <DrJoeTron> i like spamming
17:18 <Bougo> yee!
17:18  * epsy_ now uses a abber client here
17:18 <Bougo> abber?
17:18 <dammmn> XD
17:18 <dammmn> j
17:18 <dammmn> :P
17:18 <Bougo> does abber support the key between h and k?
17:18 <epsy_> #damn dammmn 
17:19 <Bougo> why are there 2 epsies?
17:19 <Bougo> Are you the real "epsy"?
17:19 <Bougo> Speed for weaks!
17:19 <dammmn> damn
17:19 <dammmn> damn
17:19 <dammmn> damn
17:19 <Bougo> howdya do that
17:19 <Bougo> xD
17:20 <Bougo> 15muh
17:20 <dammmn>  XD
17:20 <Bougo> oh...
17:20 <dammmn>  XD
17:20 <Bougo> bleh
17:20 <dammmn>  XD
17:20 <dammmn>  XD
17:20 <dammmn>  XD
17:20 <epsy_> #damn dammmn 
17:20 <epsy> #damn dammmn 
17:21 <epsy> gah who removed that ,
17:21 <epsy> ?$*
17:21 <Bougo> #damn
17:21 <epsy> *?
17:21 <spidey> luke did
17:21 <Bougo> #help damn
17:21 <armabot> Bougo: Error: There is no command "damn".
17:21 <Bougo> haha, Big Luke is watching you
17:21 <Bougo> #bigbrother
17:21 <armabot> Bougo: $_Trent_$ballin seems to be on ¬| D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d  | ¬ right now.
17:21 <epsy> luke-jr, why not with random nick ?
17:22 <Bougo> oh i read random kick
17:22 <epsy_> luke-jr_, 
17:22 <dammmn> epsy, ?
17:22 <dammmn> nah
17:24 <epsy_> #echo $who
17:24 <armabot> epsy_
17:24 <epsy_> damn
17:24 <Bougo> huh?
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17:25 <epsy> man it's annoying in a jabber clinet
17:25 <epsy> *client
17:26 <spidey> this is the laggiest install i've ever did
17:26 <spidey> grand theft auto san andreas :|
17:26 <dammmn> lol
17:26 <dammmn> XD
17:26 <dammmn> gta pf
17:26 <epsy> dammmn, remove your bot now ;)
17:26 <Bougo> bye all
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17:27 <ghableska> #kill dammmn
17:27 <armabot> dammmn will die on Mon Nov 18 07:41:21 1996 due to being stabbed in the eye by dammmn.
17:27 <dammmn> eps
17:27 <dammmn> lol
17:27 <ghableska> heh
17:27 <luke-jr> epsy: what makes it annoying to all clients??
17:27 <epsy> luke-jr, ???
17:27 <luke-jr> you said it's annoying in all clients
17:27 <epsy> IRC is not for a jabber client
17:28 <luke-jr> XMPP supersets IRC
17:28 -!- CIA-24 [i=cia@cia.navi.cx] has left #armagetron []
17:28 <luke-jr> so a properly designed XMPP client could do IRC just fine via transports
17:28 <epsy> well i can get it k
17:28 <epsy> but it's annoying for me
17:29 <epsy> btw it's slow
17:30 -!- CIA-24 [i=cia@cia.navi.cx] has joined #armagetron
17:30 <dammmn> damn
17:30 <dammmn> xD
17:34 -!- digitx [n=digitx@] has joined #armagetron
17:35 <digitx> juj
17:35 <digitx> xD
17:37 <digitx> plz kick my ghost :/
17:37 <digitx> lol
17:37 <digitx> ?
17:37 <digitx> xD
17:37 -!- dammmn [n=digitx@catv-56653766.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
17:41 <digitx> #gcalc 9999 + 999999
17:41 <armabot> digitx: 9,999 + 999,999 = 1,009,998
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18:30 <ghableska> #weather 50266
18:30 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 25.3°F (11:32 AM CST on March 02, 2007). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 17.6°F. Windchill: 12.2°F. Pressure: 28.43 in 962.6 hPa.  Blizzard Warning in effect until 6 PM CST this afternoon... 
18:32 -!- pavelo [n=pavelo@unimatrix0.ubyt.sdjls.uniba.sk] has joined #armagetron
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19:09 <Bougo> jello
19:10 <DrJoeTron> FUCK
19:10 <Bougo> err...
19:10 <Bougo> nice way to say hello
19:10 <DrJoeTron> : /
19:10 <Bougo> :p
19:10 <Bougo> what's wrong, DrJoeTron
19:10 <DrJoeTron> steam fucked up
19:10 <DrJoeTron> ghableska get half life 2 already :o
19:10 <DrJoeTron> we gotta play dystopia
19:11 <DrJoeTron> which will then be replaced by FF
19:11 <DrJoeTron> which will then be replaced by TF2
19:11 <DrJoeTron> (Fortress Forever)
19:12 <Bougo> http://www.explosm.net/comics/818/  rofl
19:12 <xfroggy> #roulette
19:12 <armabot> xfroggy: *click*
19:12 <Bougo> #roulette
19:12 <armabot> Bougo: *click*
19:12 <DrJoeTron> that guy is on SA
19:12 <Bougo> yee!
19:12 <Bougo> SA?
19:12 <Bougo> which guy
19:12 <DrJoeTron> the author of that comic
19:13 <DrJoeTron> something awful
19:13 <DrJoeTron> his entire account is one giant advertisement
19:13 <Bougo> huh
19:13 <Bougo> is it?
19:13 <Bougo> lol
19:14 <DrJoeTron> i'm thinkin about chaning my avatar for SA 
19:14 <DrJoeTron> but i don't wanna shell out 5 bucks
19:14 <DrJoeTron> changing*
19:14 <Bougo> do you have to pay? wtf!
19:14 <DrJoeTron> hell yeah
19:15 <DrJoeTron> 10 bucks to join the boards
19:15 <DrJoeTron> 15 for an avatar
19:15 <Bougo> omg, that's indeed something aweful
19:15 <DrJoeTron> 5****
19:15 <epsy> #eliza are you in love with CIA-24 ?
19:15 <armabot> epsy: What do you think?
19:15 <DrJoeTron> seems to be working for them
19:15 <Bougo> jeeze, wtf
19:15 <epsy> #eliza you love CIA-24, right  ?
19:15 <armabot> epsy: What do you think?
19:15 <DrJoeTron> considering they have 91,000 members :)
19:15 <epsy> #eliza you love CIA-24.
19:15 <armabot> epsy: Does it bother you that me loves someone?
19:15 <Bougo> i wonder how many money they get /month
19:15 <epsy> xD
19:15 <DrJoeTron> not enough
19:16 <Bougo> joe, we should make a site like this xD
19:16 <DrJoeTron> haha
19:16 <DrJoeTron> the 10 bucks is a good way to keep retards from joining
19:16 <Bougo> haha, im watching the boards
19:16 <Bougo> love the notice "13 users banned today."
19:16 <ghableska> DrJoeTron: cs:S? :p
19:16 <DrJoeTron> they get banned for being retards
19:16 <Bougo> well, it looks that they are some retards, though
19:16 <Bougo> xD
19:16 <DrJoeTron> yeah
19:17 <DrJoeTron> like, trolling, aol speak, that stuff isn't allowed there
19:17 <ghableska> AOL speak?
19:17 <DrJoeTron> LOL OMG ROFL
19:17 <epsy> xD
19:17 <DrJoeTron> aol speak
19:17 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-216-182-238.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["o_O"]
19:17 <Bougo> you killed him
19:17 <DrJoeTron> i must've
19:17 <Bougo> xD
19:17 <DrJoeTron> you wont...you won't tell anyone will you?
19:18 <Bougo> why would i?
19:18 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-216-182-238.client.mchsi.com] has joined #Armagetron
19:18 <Bougo> wb
19:18 <ghableska> whoops
19:18 <DrJoeTron> i get alot of cute benefits from the site too
19:18 <ghableska> like?
19:18 <Bougo> lets try again
19:18 <Bougo> LOL OMG ROFL
19:18 <ghableska> heh
19:18 <Bougo> oh it doesnt work anymore
19:18 <ghableska> ROFLMAO.
19:18 <Bougo> EW i got pwned
19:18 <ghableska> ;p
19:18 <Bougo> ROFLMFAO?
19:18 <ghableska> *shrugs*
19:18 <Bougo> :D
19:19 <DrJoeTron> usually in terms of discounts on web hosting, and links to download games before they're released
19:19 <DrJoeTron> dystopia a shining example
19:19 <ghableska> can't you get the links without being registered in the first place?
19:19 <DrJoeTron> sure you can get them, half of them wont work though :o
19:19 <DrJoeTron> because you have to be logged in
19:20 <DrJoeTron> plus the private stuff is psoted in the members only area
19:21 <ghableska> ah
19:21 <ghableska> joe,
19:22 <ghableska> what can I use to play back demos?
19:22 <DrJoeTron> back demos?
19:22 <ghableska> *playback demos
19:22 <ghableska> you know, demos that you record
19:22 <DrJoeTron> playback demos?
19:22 <DrJoeTron> OH
19:22 <ghableska> and then want to view again
19:22 <DrJoeTron> no idea man
19:23 <DrJoeTron> google should know
19:23 <DrJoeTron> or ask 2020
19:23 <Bougo> haha
19:23 <ghableska> umm, I'm not talking about arma :P
19:23 <Bougo> back demos xD
19:23 <DrJoeTron> if you can muster up the strength to actually talk to him :/
19:23 <ghableska> hahaha
19:23 <DrJoeTron> i know i can't
19:23 <ghableska> brb, lunch.
19:23 <Bougo> oh i thought 2020 was a telephone number
19:23 <Bougo> enjoy it, ghab
19:34 <epsy> wrtlprnft, wrtlprnft wrtlprnft 
19:34 <epsy> cmon on ur server
19:34 <Bougo> ok
19:34 <epsy> wrtlprnft, there is 2 assholes on your server
19:34 <Bougo> #serverinf wrtl
19:35 <Bougo> #serverinfo wrtl
19:35 <armabot> Bougo: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “wrtl” at the moment, sorry.
19:35 <epsy> and it seems the votes of these 2 players put the poll rejected
19:35 <Bougo> err
19:35 <Bougo> what's his servN
19:35 <Bougo> ?*
19:35 <pavelo> Bougo: fortress cafe
19:35 <Bougo> oh is it wrtl's?
19:35 <Bougo> nice serv wrtlprnft :)
19:35 <pavelo> yeah, someone should really ban them
19:36 <Bougo> oh yea there are two assholes indeed
19:36 <Bougo> pavelo and epsy >:DD
19:36 <Bougo> j/k :)
19:36 <ghableska> #serverdetails ess caf
19:36 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (10/32): blue, cockvomit4urmom, dick in ur mom, IL, kk~epsy, Mr. Bougo, pavelo, ~luAp~, °¯AshitakA, °°qain
19:36 <ghableska> ah
19:36 <Bougo> the two mom guys
19:36 <epsy> wrtlprnft, wrtlprnft wrtlprnft wrtlprnft 
19:37 -!- deja_vu [n=deja_vu@Q3a75.q.pppool.de] has joined #armagetron
19:37 <epsy> wrtlprnft, k all kicked
19:37 <epsy> but ban them plz
19:39 <madmax|pt> indeed pavelo 
19:42 <Bougo> bye
19:42 <Bougo> i'll be back in 0.5 hour or so
19:42 -!- Bougo [n=MrBougo@ip-62-235-237-245.dsl.scarlet.be] has left #Armagetron []
19:54 -!- digitx [n=digitx@catv-56653766.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #armagetron
19:54 <digitx> #seen epsy
19:54 <armabot> digitx: epsy was last seen in #armagetron 16 minutes and 45 seconds ago: <epsy> but ban them plz
19:54 <digitx> xD
19:55 <xfroggy> #roulette
19:55 <armabot> xfroggy: *click*
19:55 <xfroggy> =\
19:55 <digitx> klikk
20:09 <wrtlprnft> epsy: o_O
20:09 <wrtlprnft> what did they do?
20:09 <digitx> -
20:09 <epsy> wrtlprnft, assholing...
20:09 <ghableska> http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/thesimpsonsmovie/trailer3_large.html <- haha
20:10 <xfroggy> is it out yet?
20:10 <epsy> wrtlprnft, look in your logs
20:10 <ghableska> xfroggy: no...
20:10 <wrtlprnft> names?
20:10 <epsy> they have some specials names
20:10 <digitx> #roulette
20:10 <armabot> digitx: *click*
20:10 <epsy> search for polls
20:10 <epsy> in their names there was
20:10 <epsy> mom
20:10 <epsy> suck
20:10 <epsy> ect
20:10 <wrtlprnft> [3] New poll: "Kick Turncoat[Aust]". Enter the main menu vote on it.
20:10 <digitx> :)
20:10 <wrtlprnft> ?
20:10 <ghableska> no, not him
20:10 <digitx> where?
20:11 <epsy> no
20:11 <epsy> not him
20:11 <epsy> search 
20:11 <wrtlprnft> [8] Poll "Kick dick in ur mom" submitted by blue.
20:11 <epsy> the last before him
20:11 <wrtlprnft> ?
20:11 <epsy> yep
20:12 <wrtlprnft> and the other one?
20:13 <wrtlprnft> if it wasn't the same guy
20:13 <ghableska> iirc, didn't the other one leave before s/he got polled?
20:13 <epsy> no wasn't same client, at least
20:13 <epsy> yeah he did leved a bit after the other got kicked
20:13 <epsy> but he got polled trough
20:14 <wrtlprnft> [3] Received login from via socket *.*.*.*:4539.
20:14 <wrtlprnft> [5] Received login from via socket *.*.*.*:4539.        
20:14 <wrtlprnft> [3] dick in ur mom plays for Team blue.
20:14 <wrtlprnft> [5] cockvomit4urmom plays for Team blue.
20:14 <wrtlprnft> i guess they are the same
20:14 <epsy> i suppose
20:15 <epsy> but they hadn't same client number
20:15 <wrtlprnft> doesn't matter
20:15 <epsy> but looking on ip
20:15 <wrtlprnft> you can have multiple clients on the same IP
20:15 <epsy> i know
20:16 -!- Vanhayes [i=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu83w-156034205251.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
20:16 <wrtlprnft> #g 2 weeks in minutes
20:16 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 2 weeks = 20,160 minutes
20:16 <digitx> :)
20:16 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
20:17 <Vanhayes> hey ghab
20:17 <xfroggy> thats alot of minutes O.o
20:17 <epsy> ;) wrtl
20:17 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft: who are you banning?
20:17 <epsy> <wrtlprnft> [3] dick in ur mom plays for Team blue.
20:17 <epsy> <wrtlprnft> [5] cockvomit4urmom plays for Team blue.
20:18 <Vanhayes> ah
20:18 -!- Bougo [n=MrBougo@ip-62-235-237-245.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #Armagetron
20:18 <Bougo> hellows
20:18 <digitx> hey
20:18 <digitx> XD
20:18 <xfroggy> mr bougo XD
20:18 <digitx> XD
20:18 <Bougo> ???
20:18 -!- Bougo is now known as MrBougo
20:19 <ghableska> wb MrBougo
20:19 <MrBougo> :)
20:20 <wrtlprnft> 2080276 [7] Players from IP are banned for 20160 minutes. Reason: put your dick to /dev/null.
20:21 <MrBougo> wtf rofl
20:21 <MrBougo> you rock xD
20:21 <xfroggy> lmfao!
20:22 <epsy> xD
20:23 <ghableska> heh
20:23 <ghableska> #realchatlogs
20:23 <armabot> ghableska: http://master3.armagetronad.net/armalogs/
20:23 <ghableska> hmm
20:23 <ghableska> still not working. ;/
20:23 <wrtlprnft> o_O
20:24 <ghableska> O_o
20:25 <digitx> bougo
20:25 <digitx> cheater
20:25 <digitx> XDD
20:25 <digitx> lol
20:25 <MrBougo> did i cheat?
20:25 <MrBougo> wtf?
20:25 <digitx> :D
20:27 <wrtlprnft> actually they do work
20:27 <wrtlprnft> the naming is just messed up for some reason
20:27 -!- luke-jr [n=luke-jr@adsl-76-194-177-181.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
20:27 <ghableska> o_O
20:28 -!- luke-jr [n=luke-jr@2002:4cc2:b1b1:0:20d:60ff:fe77:7d85] has joined #armagetron
20:28 <MrBougo> wb
20:29 <wrtlprnft> ghableska: fixed
20:29 <ghableska> yay!
20:29  * wrtlprnft spelt “Jan” as “Jun”
20:30 <ghableska> heh
20:30 <digitx> ghableska, tron ?
20:30 <digitx> fortress caffe ?
20:30 <wrtlprnft> which lead it to think June was the first month of the year and that Jan didn't exist
20:30 <DrJoeTron> don
20:30 <DrJoeTron> don't do it ghableska
20:30 <ghableska> #serverdetails ess caf
20:30 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (6/32): #²³	¦Ö¦Sticky, kk~epsy, Pillow Case 57, ~*sNo*~, ©­¡¦Þ	Mr. Bougo, °°@shitakA
20:30 <ghableska> in a bit
20:30 <ghableska> DrJoeTron: why not?
20:31 <DrJoeTron> i ono
20:31 <DrJoeTron> i said so?
20:31 <ghableska> ...
20:32 <DrJoeTron> i wasnt expecting you to QUESTION ME ARGH
20:32 <ghableska> lol
20:37 <MrBougo> #serverdetails ess caf
20:37 <armabot> MrBougo: Fortress Café: Players (4/32): Mr. Bougo, Pillow Case 57, ¦×¥ Sticky, °¯AshitakA
20:37 <ghableska> #armaservers
20:37 <MrBougo> #serverdetails ess caf
20:37 <armabot> ghableska: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (11 players) || °¯ps Arena ~~~ Team Sumo ~~~ (10 players) || {Delicious Desserts} Team Weekend - Custom Map (9 players) || Norm's Place (8 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬ (7 players) || Strawberry Fields (6 players) || ~*SpeederS*~ Server (5 players) || Chico's Brake Boost Styball (5 players) || Wild West =Capture The Flag= (5 players) || (1 more message)
20:37 <armabot> MrBougo: Fortress Café: Players (4/32): Mr. Bougo, Pillow Case 57, ¦×¥ Sticky, °¯AshitakA
20:37 <MrBougo> #playerinfo Mr. Bougo
20:38 <MrBougo> oh
20:38 <MrBougo> n/m
20:38 <ghableska> #serverdetails styball
20:38 <armabot> ghableska: Chico's Brake Boost Styball: Players (7/8): <{TRC}Andrew, Gonzap, julian, Luke, mañn, OogerMunky, soska
20:38 <Vanhayes> #lastseen MrBougo 
20:38 <MrBougo> helloes Van :p
20:38 <digitx> o
20:38 <digitx> Van itt magyar?
20:38 <Vanhayes> hey 
20:38 <Vanhayes> uh
20:38 <ghableska> o_O
20:38 <Vanhayes> no clue what that means
20:39 <MrBougo> #list babelfish
20:39 <armabot> MrBougo: babelize, language list, language random, and translate
20:39 <armabot> Vanhayes: timed out
20:39 <MrBougo> translate hungarian english Van itt magyar?
20:39 <MrBougo> #translate hungarian english Van itt magyar?
20:39 <Vanhayes> #t german to englishVan itt magyar
20:39 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: "'hungarian'" is not a valid language.  Valid languages include Chinese_simple, Chinese_traditional, Dutch, English, French, German, Greek, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Portuguese, Russian, and Spanish
20:39 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: "'englishvan'" is not a valid language.  Valid languages include Chinese_simple, Chinese_traditional, Dutch, English, French, German, Greek, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Portuguese, Russian, and Spanish
20:39 <Vanhayes> #t german to english Van itt magyar
20:39 <MrBougo> rofl englishvan
20:39 <armabot> Vanhayes: Van CCIT magyar
20:39 <MrBougo> haha
20:39 <ghableska> o_O
20:39 <digitx> no german
20:39 <digitx> hungarian
20:39 <digitx> :)
20:39 <MrBougo> #language list
20:39 <armabot> MrBougo: Portuguese, German, Spanish, Chinese_Traditional, Japanese, French, Greek, Dutch, English, Russian, Korean, Chinese_Simple, and Italian
20:39 <MrBougo> ew
20:39 <Vanhayes> #t Hungarian to english Van itt magyar
20:40 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: "'hungarian'" is not a valid language.  Valid languages include Chinese_simple, Chinese_traditional, Dutch, English, French, German, Greek, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Portuguese, Russian, and Spanish
20:40 <Vanhayes> damn
20:40 <digitx> :P
20:40 <Vanhayes> #t english to japanese Hello
20:40 <armabot> Vanhayes: '\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00'
20:40 <Vanhayes> heh
20:40 <digitx> XD
20:40 <digitx> #t english to korean Hello
20:40 <armabot> digitx: '\x00\x00\x00\x00'
20:40 <digitx> ho
20:41 <digitx> #t english to french Hello
20:41 <armabot> digitx: Bonjour
20:41 <digitx> bonjour
20:41 -!- _Sticky_ [n=kvirc@212-139-167-22.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #armagetron
20:41 <MrBougo> yep, its right
20:41 <MrBougo> Bonjour Sticky
20:41 <_Sticky_> yo
20:41 <MrBougo> xD
20:41 <MrBougo> #help lastseen
20:41 <armabot> MrBougo: (lastseen <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "fetch http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/lastseen.php?player=@1+@2+@3+@4+@5+@6+@7+@8+@9".
20:43 <epsy> MrBougo, ah oui t'es belge ... ;D
20:43 <MrBougo> indeed
20:43 <digitx> im cretin
20:43 <digitx> xD
20:43 <MrBougo> et toi? o.O
20:44 <MrBougo> sure you are
20:44 <epsy> de paris
20:44 <digitx> hehe
20:44 <MrBougo> ah bon
20:44 <MrBougo> possible
20:44 <MrBougo> je le savais surement
20:44 <MrBougo> ew
20:44 <epsy> :P
20:44 <MrBougo> #monologue
20:44 <armabot> MrBougo: Your current monologue is at least 1 line long.
20:44 <MrBougo> bah, it doesnt work
20:44 <MrBougo> test?
20:44 <MrBougo> #monologue
20:44 <armabot> MrBougo: Your current monologue is at least 4 lines long.
20:44 <epsy> #monologue #armagetron
20:44 <armabot> epsy: Your current monologue is at least 1 line long.
20:44 <epsy> nah
20:44 <MrBougo> oh, ok
20:44 <epsy> this isn't possible
20:44 <MrBougo> current monologue
20:44 <epsy> no
20:44 <epsy> shut up
20:44 <MrBougo> not last one
20:44 <MrBougo> i wont
20:44 <MrBougo> :D
20:44 <epsy> xD
20:44 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: your DNS sucks, it's slow.
20:44 <wrtlprnft> really slow.
20:45 <ghableska> #monologue
20:45 <armabot> ghableska: Your current monologue is at least 1 line long.
20:45 <epsy> lol
20:45 <epsy> lol
20:45 <epsy> :P
20:45 <epsy> #monologue #armagetron
20:45 <armabot> epsy: Your current monologue is at least 4 lines long.
20:45 <epsy> ah
20:45 <digitx> XD
20:45 <MrBougo> haha, is it?
20:45 <epsy> :P
20:45 <epsy> lol
20:45 -!- luke-jr [n=luke-jr@2002:4cc2:b1b1:0:20d:60ff:fe77:7d85] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)]
20:45 <epsy> :P
20:45 <epsy> lol
20:45 <MrBougo> rofl
20:45 <MrBougo> roflmao
20:45 <epsy> grr
20:45 <wrtlprnft> lol
20:45 <epsy> #roulete
20:45 <MrBougo> pwnd, wrtlprnft
20:45 <epsy> wrtlpwnd :D
20:45 <ghableska> wrtlpwnd :P
20:45 <ghableska> er
20:45 <ghableska> gah
20:45 <epsy> XD
20:45 <epsy> ghableska too
20:46 <MrBougo> gahbelsahk
20:46 <digitx> xD
20:46 <MrBougo> oops
20:46 <MrBougo> -h
20:46 <ghableska> ?
20:46 <digitx> ghableska
20:46 <MrBougo> you said "gah"
20:46 <epsy> #roulette
20:46 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
20:46 <MrBougo> i completed it
20:46  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
20:46 <CIA-24> armagetronad:  * resources/wrtlprnft/fortress/zig_zag-1.aamap.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
20:46 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/wrtlprnft/fortress/zig_zag-1.aamap.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
20:46 <wrtlprnft> great.
20:46 <digitx> cia
20:46 <digitx> XD
20:46 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/wrtlprnft/fortress/zig_zag-1.aamap.xml
20:46  * wrtlprnft wonders if this will work well
20:47 <MrBougo> what was this, wrtl?
20:47 <epsy> gah
20:47 <wrtlprnft> what was what?
20:47 <epsy> horrible map
20:47 <MrBougo> what happened with the cia bot
20:47 <MrBougo> #rou
20:47 <armabot> MrBougo: Quit cheating!
20:47 <MrBougo> huh?
20:47 <wrtlprnft> I just tested inkscape 0.45's new features
20:47 <wrtlprnft> #roureltte
20:47 <wrtlprnft> #rourette
20:47 <epsy> wrtlprnft, i already feel my fps
20:47 <MrBougo> rofl
20:47 <wrtlprnft> #roulette
20:47 <armabot> wrtlprnft: *click*
20:47 <wrtlprnft> #roulette
20:47 <armabot> wrtlprnft: *click*
20:47 <wrtlprnft> #roulette
20:47 <wrtlprnft> #roulette
20:47 <armabot> wrtlprnft: *click*
20:47 <wrtlprnft> #roulette
20:47 <wrtlprnft> #roulette
20:47 <armabot> wrtlprnft: *click*
20:47 <armabot> wrtlprnft: *click*
20:47 <armabot> wrtlprnft: *click*
20:47 <epsy> #roulete
20:47 <wrtlprnft> epsy: it's not that bad
20:47 <armabot> epsy: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
20:48 <MrBougo> wrtlprnft, you told me to stop spamming :p
20:48 <epsy> #roulette 
20:48 <armabot> epsy: *click*
20:48 <epsy> #roulette 
20:48 <armabot> epsy: *click*
20:48 <epsy> #roulette 
20:48 <armabot> epsy: *click*
20:48 <wrtlprnft> MrBougo: i was just testing it
20:48 <epsy> #roulette 
20:48 <armabot> epsy: *click*
20:48 <epsy> hehe
20:48 <epsy> hehe
20:48 <MrBougo> xD j/k
20:48 <epsy> #roulette 
20:48 <armabot> epsy: *click*
20:48 <epsy> #roulette 
20:48 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
20:48  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
20:48 <xfroggy> #roulette
20:48 <armabot> xfroggy: *click*
20:48 <MrBougo> #rouletté
20:48 <epsy> long one ;)
20:48 <MrBougo> #roulétte
20:48 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o wrtlprnft] by ChanServ
20:48 <digitx> #roulette
20:48 <armabot> digitx: *click*
20:48 <xfroggy> #roulette
20:48 <armabot> xfroggy: *click*
20:48 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o wrtlprnft] by ChanServ
20:48 <wrtlprnft> oops
20:48 <epsy> #roulete 
20:48 <MrBougo> ew! hes gonna kick
20:48 <@armabot> epsy: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
20:48 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o armabot] by ChanServ
20:48 <xfroggy> lmao
20:48 <digitx> #roulette
20:48 -!- digitx was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
20:48  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
20:48 <MrBougo> :D
20:48 <Vanhayes> bbiab
20:48 <wrtlprnft> that's what i wanted to do
20:48 <epsy> lol
20:48 -!- Vanhayes [i=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu83w-156034205251.nb.aliant.net] has quit ["I quit"]
20:48 <epsy> #roulette 
20:48 -!- digitx [n=digitx@catv-56653766.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #armagetron
20:48 -!- epsy was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
20:49  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
20:49 <wrtlprnft> #roulette
20:49 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: *click*
20:49 <MrBougo> im an irc nub
20:49 <xfroggy> hmm
20:49 <digitx> #roulette
20:49 -!- epsy [n=epsy@mar75-4-82-227-65-72.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #armagetron
20:49 <@armabot> digitx: *click*
20:49 <wrtlprnft> #roulette
20:49 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: *click*
20:49 <epsy> #roulette 
20:49 <digitx> hehe
20:49 <@armabot> epsy: *click*
20:49 <epsy> #roulette 
20:49 <digitx> XD
20:49 <@armabot> epsy: *click*
20:49 <xfroggy> #roulette
20:49 <wrtlprnft> #roulette
20:49 <epsy> #roulette 
20:49 -!- xfroggy was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
20:49  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
20:49 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: *click*
20:49 <epsy> #roulette 
20:49 <@armabot> epsy: *click*
20:49 -!- xfroggy [n=xfroggy@crlspr-] has joined #armagetron
20:49 <epsy> #roulette 
20:49 <@armabot> epsy: *click*
20:49 <xfroggy> XD
20:49 <epsy> #roulette 
20:49 <@armabot> epsy: *click*
20:49 <wrtlprnft> #roulette
20:49 <epsy> #roulette 
20:49 -!- epsy was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
20:49 <MrBougo> wrtl, i know the irc bases, but i wonder how you just op'd armabot without being op yourself
20:49  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
20:49 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: *click*
20:49 <@armabot> epsy: *click*
20:49 -!- epsy [n=epsy@mar75-4-82-227-65-72.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #armagetron
20:49 <epsy> #roulette 
20:49 <digitx> hehe lol
20:49 <@armabot> epsy: *click*
20:49 <epsy> #roulette 
20:49 <@armabot> epsy: *click*
20:49 <wrtlprnft> MrBougo: chanserv
20:49 <epsy> #roulette 
20:49 <@armabot> epsy: *click*
20:49 <MrBougo> stop this!
20:49 <epsy> #roulette 
20:49 -!- epsy was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
20:49 <digitx> #roulette
20:49  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
20:49 <digitx> #roulette
20:49 <digitx> #roulette
20:49 <digitx> #roulette
20:49 -!- epsy [n=epsy@mar75-4-82-227-65-72.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #armagetron
20:49 <@armabot> digitx: *click*
20:49 <ghableska> "School Menu Change 
20:49 <ghableska> Monday's school menu will be Double Stuffed Pizza rather than Hot Pockets due the schools being closed on Friday, March 2nd."
20:49 <wrtlprnft> the same way I use to op myself
20:49 <ghableska> WTF
20:49 <@armabot> digitx: *click*
20:49 <epsy> >.<
20:49 <@armabot> digitx: *click*
20:49 <xfroggy> #roulette
20:49 <@armabot> digitx: *click*
20:49 -!- xfroggy was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
20:49 <wrtlprnft> #roulette
20:49 <MrBougo> WTF ghab indeed
20:49  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
20:49 -!- xfroggy [n=xfroggy@crlspr-] has joined #armagetron
20:49 <digitx> hehehehehehe
20:49 <digitx> im luckyy
20:49 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: *click*
20:49 <digitx> xD
20:49 <xfroggy> XD
20:49 <wrtlprnft> #roulette
20:49 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: *click*
20:49 <ghableska> #roulette spin
20:49 <@armabot> *SPIN* Are you feeling lucky?
20:50 <epsy> wrtlprnft, take op and say #roulete
20:50 <digitx> #roulette
20:50 <@armabot> digitx: *click*
20:50 <digitx> #roulette
20:50 <@armabot> digitx: *click*
20:50 <digitx> #roulette
20:50 <@armabot> digitx: *click*
20:50 <digitx> #roulette
20:50 <@armabot> digitx: *click*
20:50 <digitx> #roulette
20:50 -!- digitx was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
20:50  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
20:50 -!- digitx [n=digitx@catv-56653766.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #armagetron
20:50 <epsy> :D
20:50 <digitx> xD
20:50 <wrtlprnft> #echo [roulette] [roulette] [roulette] [roulette] [roulette]
20:50 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: *click* wrtlprnft: *click* wrtlprnft: *click* wrtlprnft: *click* wrtlprnft: *click*
20:50 <MrBougo> wrtlprnft, i know its something with chanserv, but how?
20:50 <MrBougo> rofl
20:50 <wrtlprnft> /msg chanserv op #armagetron armabot 
20:50 <digitx> XD
20:50 <MrBougo> but you werent op
20:50 <xfroggy> hmm
20:50 <digitx>  damn
20:50 <digitx> /
20:50 <MrBougo> oh you were identified
20:51 <epsy> wrtlprnft, take op and say #roulete
20:51 <MrBougo> ok right
20:51 <epsy> with 1 t
20:51 <wrtlprnft> MrBougo: chanserv knows I'm authorize people in this #
20:51 <MrBougo> yep right
20:51 <MrBougo> #echo roulette
20:51 <digitx> na
20:51 <@armabot> roulette
20:51 <MrBougo> ew
20:51 <epsy> wrtlprnft, ...
20:51 <MrBougo> #echo [roulette]
20:51 <@armabot> *click*
20:51 <MrBougo> i dont get it
20:51 <MrBougo> xD
20:51 <epsy> #echo [roulette]
20:51 <@armabot> *click*
20:51 <epsy> #echo [roulette]
20:51 <@armabot> *click*
20:51 <epsy> #echo [roulette]
20:51 <ghableska> #rouulette
20:51 <@armabot> *click*
20:51 <epsy> #echo [roulette]
20:51 <@armabot> *click*
20:51 <epsy> #echo [roulette]
20:51 -!- epsy was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
20:52  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
20:52 <wrtlprnft> #roulete
20:52 <MrBougo> rofl
20:52 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: epsy is not in #armagetron.
20:52 <ghableska> heh
20:52 <xfroggy> lmao
20:52 -!- epsy [n=epsy@mar75-4-82-227-65-72.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #armagetron
20:52 <wrtlprnft> #roulete
20:52 -!- epsy was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
20:52 <MrBougo> wtf roflmao
20:52 -!- epsy [n=epsy@mar75-4-82-227-65-72.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #armagetron
20:52 <ghableska> #roulete
20:52 <@armabot> ghableska: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
20:52 <epsy> dang xD
20:52 <MrBougo> so roulete kicks epsy
20:52 <epsy> no
20:52 <MrBougo> help roulete
20:52 <ghableska> #echo roulete
20:52 <@armabot> roulete
20:52 <MrBougo> #help roulete
20:52 <@armabot> MrBougo: (roulete <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "KICK $who".
20:52 <MrBougo> haha
20:52 <wrtlprnft> #roulete
20:52 -!- epsy was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
20:52 <MrBougo> i dont get it
20:52 <xfroggy> #echo [roulette] [roulette] [roulette] [roulette] [roulette] [roulette] [roulette]
20:52 -!- epsy [n=epsy@mar75-4-82-227-65-72.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #armagetron
20:52 <@armabot> *click* *click* *click* *click* *click* *click* *click*
20:52 <epsy> btw it's buggy and kick randomly 
20:53 <xfroggy> Oo
20:53 <MrBougo> why does epsy get kicked
20:53 <_Sticky_> #blackjack
20:53 <_Sticky_> heh
20:53 <MrBougo> try again
20:53 <xfroggy> cuz he didnt get kicked last time
20:53 <MrBougo> xD
20:53 <xfroggy> XD
20:53 <wrtlprnft> because epsy wants to kick me
20:53 <wrtlprnft> armabot knows that
20:53 <epsy> lol
20:53 <MrBougo> haha
20:53 <xfroggy> #echo [roulette] [roulette] [roulette] [roulette] [roulette] [roulette] [roulette]
20:53 <@armabot> *click* *click* *click* *click* *click* *click* *click*
20:53 <xfroggy> -.-
20:53 <_Sticky_> #roulette
20:53 -!- _Sticky_ was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
20:53 -!- _Sticky_ [n=kvirc@212-139-167-22.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #armagetron
20:53  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
20:53 <ghableska> #weather 50266
20:53 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 25.5°F (1:57 PM CST on March 02, 2007). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 19.4°F. Windchill: 14.0°F. Pressure: 28.47 in 964.0 hPa.  Blizzard Warning in effect until 6 am CST Saturday... 
20:53 <MrBougo> #help echo
20:53 <@armabot> MrBougo: (echo <text>) -- Returns the arguments given it. Uses our standard substitute on the string(s) given to it; $nick (or $who), $randomNick, $randomInt, $botnick, $channel, $user, $host, $today, $now, and $randomDate are all handled appropriately.
20:53 <wrtlprnft> #roulette
20:53 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: *click*
20:54 <MrBougo> #echo $who
20:54 <@armabot> MrBougo
20:54 <_Sticky_> #roulette
20:54 <digitx> #roulette
20:54 <@armabot> _Sticky_: *click*
20:54 <@armabot> digitx: *click*
20:54 <epsy> #pacman
20:54 <@armabot> WTF man? Play armagetronad you dumbass!
20:54 <ghableska> haha
20:54 <epsy> heh
20:54 <digitx> #epsy
20:54 <ghableska> #gltron
20:54 <wrtlprnft> < · · ·
20:54 <digitx> #kill epsy
20:54 <_Sticky_> #E.T.
20:54 <@armabot> epsy will die on Sat May 30 16:58:55 1987 due to being stabbed in the eye by wrtlprnft.
20:54 <digitx> XD
20:54 <epsy> gand wrtlprnft 
20:54 <epsy> *dang
20:54 <_Sticky_> E.T...best game ever
20:54 <epsy> LOL
20:54 <epsy> what is E.T ?
20:55 <digitx> ET
20:55 <MrBougo> i dont get why #roulete kicks epsy and not the real $who
20:55 <digitx> i know
20:55 <digitx> XD
20:55 <digitx> ufo
20:55 <digitx> xD
20:55 <MrBougo> wrtl, try €cho $who ?
20:55 <MrBougo> #echo*
20:55 <_Sticky_> heh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E.T._(video_game) the game so bad they buried it in the desert
20:55 <wrtlprnft> echo $who
20:55 <wrtlprnft> #echo $who
20:55 <@armabot> epsy
20:55 <MrBougo> wtf's wrong
20:55 <MrBougo> rofl
20:56 <epsy> wrtlprnft, try roulete again
20:56 <MrBougo> it'll kcik you
20:56 <epsy> no
20:56 <epsy> *i hope*
20:56 <MrBougo> yep
20:56 <wrtlprnft> #echo $who
20:56 <@armabot> WHO? YEAH, WHO *exactly* do you mean?
20:56 <epsy> XD
20:56 <MrBougo> rofl
20:57 <epsy> wrtlprnft, try roulete again
20:57 <MrBougo> kick WHO? YEAH, WHO *exactly* do you mean?
20:57 <wrtlprnft> #roulete
20:57 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: $randomNick is not in #armagetron.
20:57 <MrBougo> is epsy also mod?
20:57 <MrBougo> haha
20:57 <epsy> gah
20:57 <MrBougo> pwned
20:57 <epsy> no i'm not op
20:58 <wrtlprnft> #roulete
20:58 -!- epsy was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [wrtlprnft]
20:58 <MrBougo> but you have some bot stuff
20:58 <MrBougo> haha
20:58 <MrBougo> #help roulete
20:58 <@armabot> MrBougo: (roulete <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "KICK $randomNick".
20:58 -!- epsy [n=epsy@mar75-4-82-227-65-72.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #armagetron
20:58 <wrtlprnft> #help roulete
20:58 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: (roulete <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "KICK someone".
20:58 <epsy> * Vous avez été expulsé de #armagetron par armabot (wrtlprnft)
20:58 <MrBougo> but only ops can roulete :(
20:58 <epsy> yeah
20:58 <epsy> XD
20:58 <xfroggy> #roulete
20:58 <@armabot> xfroggy: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
20:58 <xfroggy> Oo
20:58 <epsy> btw you can cheat the admins so xD
20:58 <wrtlprnft> #help roulete
20:58 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: (roulete <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "KICK [echo $randomNick]".
20:58 <digitx> <wrtlprnft> #roulete
20:58 <digitx> * armabot kirúgta epsy-t innen: #armagetron (wrtlprnft)
20:58 <digitx> LOL
20:59 <wrtlprnft> #roulete
20:59 -!- epsy was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [wrtlprnft]
20:59 <MrBougo> wtf
20:59 -!- epsy [n=epsy@mar75-4-82-227-65-72.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #armagetron
20:59 <MrBougo> xD
20:59 <digitx> lol
20:59 <epsy> lol
20:59 <MrBougo> #roulete
20:59 <@armabot> MrBougo: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
20:59 <epsy> echo $randomnick
20:59 <epsy> #echo $randomnick
20:59 <@armabot> deja_vu
20:59 <epsy> #echo $randomNick
20:59 <@armabot> wejp_
20:59 <epsy> #echo $randomNick
20:59 <@armabot> deja_vu
20:59 <epsy> #echo $randomNick
20:59 <@armabot> wejp_
20:59 <epsy> xD
20:59 <MrBougo> epsy, you are bot admin, arent you?
20:59 <epsy> xD
20:59 <MrBougo> #echo $who
20:59 <epsy> no
20:59 <@armabot> MrBougo
20:59 <MrBougo> oh
20:59 <epsy> wrtlprnft is
21:00 <MrBougo> so who modified $who
21:00 <MrBougo> oh ok
21:00 <digitx> #echo $who
21:00 <@armabot> digitx
21:00 <MrBougo> yea right... xD
21:00 <digitx> #echo $who damn
21:00 <@armabot> digitx damn
21:00 <deja_vu> o.o
21:00 <xfroggy> #roulette
21:00 -!- xfroggy was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
21:00 <MrBougo> what's wrong with roulete then
21:00  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
21:00 <epsy> #damn digtix
21:00 <wrtlprnft> echo $randomNick
21:00 -!- xfroggy [n=xfroggy@crlspr-] has joined #armagetron
21:00 <wrtlprnft> #echo $randomNick
21:00 <@armabot> epsy
21:00 <MrBougo> xD
21:00 <MrBougo> #echo $randomnick
21:00 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma
21:00 <MrBougo> #echo $randomnick
21:00 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma
21:00 <MrBougo> #echo $randomnick
21:00 <@armabot> wrtlprnft
21:00 <wrtlprnft> #echo $randomNick
21:00 <@armabot> epsy
21:00  * deja_vu hits epsy with a green stick
21:00 <epsy> seems working no
21:00 <epsy> w
21:00 <xfroggy> #echo $randomNick
21:00 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma
21:00 <wrtlprnft> #echo $randomNick
21:00 <@armabot> epsy
21:00 <MrBougo> rofl wrtlprnft, somethings wrong with you
21:00 <MrBougo> try $randomDate
21:01 <epsy> gtg
21:01 <epsy> cya
21:01 <MrBougo> cya :(
21:01 -!- epsy [n=epsy@mar75-4-82-227-65-72.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["END OF LINE"]
21:01 <wrtlprnft> #echo $randomDate
21:01 <@armabot> Sun Dec 14 12:38:01 1997
21:01 <xfroggy> lata =\
21:01 <MrBougo> try $who again?
21:01 <MrBougo> espy left now
21:01 <MrBougo> epsy
21:01 <digitx> whu ?
21:01 <digitx> y
21:01 <wrtlprnft> #echo $randomNick
21:01 <@armabot> epsy
21:01 <digitx> hm
21:01 <wrtlprnft> #echo $who
21:01 <@armabot> epsy
21:01 <MrBougo> what's wrong
21:01 <MrBougo> xD
21:01 -!- deja_vu [n=deja_vu@Q3a75.q.pppool.de] has quit ["leaving"]
21:01 <wrtlprnft> it's so easy to trick you guys…
21:02 <MrBougo> seems so...
21:02 <wrtlprnft> color codes for the win!
21:02 <MrBougo> i really dont get it
21:02 <wrtlprnft> especially ^O
21:02 <MrBougo> ew
21:02 <MrBougo> i really dont get it xD
21:02 <MrBougo> what ddi you do?
21:02 <wrtlprnft> and the possibility to add/remove aliases using /msg
21:02 <MrBougo> i use damn
21:02 <MrBougo> err wtf
21:02 <MrBougo> typo
21:02 <MrBougo> i use gaim*
21:02 <wrtlprnft> /msg armabot alias add ec^Oho echo epsy
21:03 <wrtlprnft> #ec^Oho $who
21:03 <wrtlprnft> /msg armabot alias remove ec^Oho
21:03 <MrBougo> haha nice
21:03 <wrtlprnft> that's it
21:03 <MrBougo> you rock
21:03 <wrtlprnft> just that the ^O is usually invisible
21:03 <MrBougo> and with roulete?
21:03 <MrBougo> oh right, you were the only one using it
21:04 <wrtlprnft> no, there was a #rou^Olete as well
21:04 <MrBougo> oh ok
21:04 <MrBougo> tricked xD
21:04 <wrtlprnft> it was fun :D
21:04 <MrBougo> yupi!
21:05 <MrBougo> now the channel is dead xD
21:05 <MrBougo> are you the chan owner?
21:05 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o armabot] by ChanServ
21:05 <wrtlprnft> :s
21:05 <wrtlprnft> no
21:06 <wrtlprnft> guru 3 is
21:06 <MrBougo> oh
21:06 <MrBougo> i've never hard about him
21:06 <MrBougo> does he play tron?
21:06 <wrtlprnft> and I think I shouldn't op armabot too often
21:06 -!- Vanhayes [i=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu83w-156034205251.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
21:06 <wrtlprnft> sometimes
21:06 <wrtlprnft> wb Vanhayes 
21:06 <Vanhayes> ty
21:06 <MrBougo> you're afraid of explots?
21:06 <MrBougo> exploits*
21:06 <Vanhayes> did a kotg match and too mch talking here, had to close it  :)
21:07 <Vanhayes> much*
21:07 <MrBougo> xD
21:07 <MrBougo> kotg = long i guess
21:07 <MrBougo> err what else
21:07 <pavelo> who played/won ?
21:08 <MrBougo> #lastseen Vanhayes
21:08 <wrtlprnft> kings of the grid
21:08 <armabot> MrBougo: Vanhayes seems to be on 1v1 Sumo Bistro right now.
21:08 <wrtlprnft> do the settings work now?
21:08 <MrBougo> #severinfo Bist
21:08 <Vanhayes> http://www.kingsofthegrid.net/forum/index.php
21:08 -!- _Sticky_ [n=kvirc@212-139-167-22.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit ["KVIrc 3.2.4 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/"]
21:08 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft: what do you mean?
21:09 <wrtlprnft> well, with the original settings the zone was too small
21:09 <Vanhayes> oh, ya the zone is regular size
21:10 <wrtlprnft> it blocks out clients <0.2.8 now, though
21:10 <Vanhayes> well most people who usually play sumo have probly upgraded by now
21:12 <Vanhayes> #serverdetails arena
21:12 <armabot> Vanhayes: °¯ps Arena  ~~~ Team Sumo ~~~: Players (9/12): akira, Carlitos, CT¦Unreal, ewe-n-eye, GO, Pillow Case 57, ¦Ö¦$µbzero, ©­$P         T<, °°qedice
21:12 <digitx> Norms Place ?
21:12 <digitx> wrtlprnft, ?
21:13 <MrBougo> how the hell did i do that
21:13 <MrBougo> (21:15:06) digitx: wrtlprnft, ?
21:13 <MrBougo> wejp_ wrtlprnft 
21:13 <MrBougo> (21:16:28) MrBougo: how the hell did i do that
21:14 <wrtlprnft> digitx?
21:14 <MrBougo> oh ok nevermind
21:14 <Vanhayes> MrBougo: do what?
21:14 <MrBougo> nothing
21:14 <MrBougo> i pressed w then tab
21:14 <Vanhayes> heh ok
21:14 <Vanhayes> ah, tab completion
21:14 <MrBougo> and there are two w* guys
21:14 <MrBougo> i should install some irc client
21:14 <MrBougo> no multi-protocol
21:15 <MrBougo> i dont really like Gaim
21:15 <wrtlprnft> I! R! S! S! I!
21:15 <[dlh]> “HACKED by OncuTeam www.oncuturk.org” → oh noes! someone hacked the wiki!!!!!11111 :/
21:15 <wrtlprnft> aaaaaah!
21:15 <wrtlprnft> nooooo!
21:16 <MrBougo> which wiki?
21:16 <MrBougo> :(
21:16 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Team&rcid=17788
21:16 <digitx> wrtlprnft, go norms place ?
21:16 <wrtlprnft> some 1337 hacker skills they have
21:17 <MrBougo> omg howd they do that zomg wtf wtf wtf !!11one
21:17 <wrtlprnft> sue them!
21:17 <MrBougo> they didnt get what "hack" is
21:17 <MrBougo> thats vandalism, not hacking
21:18 <MrBougo> isnt it?
21:18 <MrBougo> did that article exist before?
21:18 <Vanhayes> ya
21:18 <Vanhayes> no they creted a new page I think
21:19 <MrBougo> xD
21:19 <Vanhayes> but anyone can do that, its just vandalism
21:19 <MrBougo> yep, right
21:19 <MrBougo> their team is awesome
21:19 <MrBougo> my 5 year old cousin should join them
21:19 <MrBougo> she has enough skills
21:19 <Vanhayes> heh
21:20 <Vanhayes> she is probably over qualified
21:20 <MrBougo> xD
21:20 <MrBougo> ew wait
21:20 <MrBougo> do i have a 5 year old cousin?
21:20 <Vanhayes> I have no idea
21:20 <MrBougo> me either
21:20 <MrBougo> i probly do
21:21 <MrBougo> i have some cousins in Guatemala, but i dont know their age
21:21 <MrBougo> ooh, Miranda IM supports IRC and is available on PortableApps
21:21 <MrBougo> i should try it out
21:24 <MrBougo> #monologue
21:24 <armabot> MrBougo: Your current monologue is at least 6 lines long.
21:25 <MrBougo> #dice 0d0
21:25 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: Dice can't have fewer than 3 sides.
21:25 <MrBougo> #dice 0d5
21:25 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: I tried to send you an empty message.
21:29 <MrBougo> this channel is oficially dead
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21:30 <MrBougo> yee! someone!
21:30 <MrBougo> hel
21:30 <MrBougo> lo
21:31 <MrBougo> sorry, pressed enter....
21:36 <digitx> bugi
21:36 <digitx> go Norms Place ?
21:36 <MrBougo> byebye
21:36 <MrBougo> nah i hatre norms
21:36 <MrBougo> hate
21:36 <madmax|pt> nice 'hack' indeed
21:36 <MrBougo> and i gtg
21:36 <digitx> cu
21:37 <MrBougo> #echo [help echo]
21:37 <armabot> (echo <text>) -- Returns the arguments given it. Uses our standard substitute on the string(s) given to it; MrBougo (or MrBougo), spidey, -639, armabot, #armagetron, n=MrBougo, ip-62-235-237-245.dsl.scarlet.be, 02 Mar 2007, Fri Mar  2 21:52:33 2007, and Sat May  1 17:28:59 2010 are all handled appropriately.
21:37 <MrBougo> xD
21:37 <MrBougo> #night
21:37 <armabot> Good night MrBougo!
21:37 <MrBougo> thank you armabot!
21:38 <MrBougo> cyas all
21:38 <MrBougo> good night
21:38 <MrBougo> or day or whatevah
21:38 <Vanhayes> bbiab
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21:38 <MrBougo> cya xD
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21:52 <pavelo> lol, i just figured it out z-MAN is short from manuel, right ? lol
21:53 <wrtlprnft> :D
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22:27 <madmax|pt> #armaservers
22:27 <armabot> madmax|pt: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
22:30 <Vanhayes> #serverinfo bistro
22:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: 1v1 Sumo Bistro: Players (2/4): CT~Voodoo, ¦Ö¦$µbzero
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22:55 <digitx> -
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23:05 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft: when did you put a player cap on the teams in fort cafe?
23:18 <GodTodd> stupid eclipse
23:22 <pavelo> that would be the IDE not the astronomical event right ?
23:22 <GodTodd> correctomundo
23:23 <pavelo> i too dont like, but i dont know of an other way to debug java :/
23:23 <GodTodd> the process keeps using up more and more ram until it gets to around 100K then gets slow as crap
23:24 <GodTodd> yeah...i tried netbeans too but it seems to do the same thing
23:24 <GodTodd> :/
23:24 <GodTodd> and my instructor prefers we use eclipse anyway
23:26 <pavelo> i wouldnt use java at all if i didnt have to, but we are doing this "operating system" project this semester
23:26 <pavelo> and it's and java
23:26 <pavelo> OS and java, i cant believe it can be used in the same sentence
23:26 <GodTodd> heh
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> why not?  Virtual machine needs an os too, you know
23:27 <GodTodd> well...around here the two big programming skills companies look for are java and .net
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Competition_Hub   <--- feedback for that?  lack and 2020 are at large right now
23:27  * Lucifer_arma is going to fencing class now
23:27 -!- Lucifer_arma is now known as Lucifer_fencing
23:27 <pavelo> well, but you cant write an operating system in an virtual amchine
23:28 <GodTodd> i'm wondering if after i take the two or three java courses i should go back and take the second and third c++ courses too
23:28 <GodTodd> hmmm
23:29 <GodTodd> i might
23:29 <GodTodd> heh
23:29 <digitx> -
23:29 <GodTodd> or i might just teach myself the stuff from c++ classes and beyond
23:30  * GodTodd thinks out loud.
23:34  * Vanhayes thinks inside his head, talks out loud
23:35 <GodTodd> i find it annoys others better my way ;)
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23:49 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: people requested it
23:49 <wrtlprnft> with more than 20 players it gets sort of unplayable anyways
23:51 <pavelo> we also tried to figure out how does the server decide which player gets to play from spectators
23:51 <pavelo> it seemed very undeterministic
23:51 <pavelo> do you know how
23:53 <Vanhayes> well all I know is that if some chooses "join team ..." and waits for an open spot for a few rounds, then someone comes in and picks create new team, they get in
23:53 <wrtlprnft> create new team is evaluated immediately, normal team wishes only at the end of the round
23:54 <pavelo> thats good to know
23:54  * Vanhayes always chooses create new team
23:54 <Vanhayes> gets you on the team first, plus makes it random
23:54 <wrtlprnft> :D
23:55 <wrtlprnft> the alternative would be an overall limit of 20 clients on the server, which isn't exactly more fair
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23:56 <Vanhayes> I think there were 25 at the height just now
23:57 <wrtlprnft> #serverinfo ess caf
23:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Fortress Café: Players (16/32): CT|play, CT~Voodoo, Dez, Go Team 6!!!, HAL 9000, Lackadaisical, madmax, Martysuckscock, MaZuffeR, pavelo, t.F|Plage, {wTf} C A N E S, ~*SP*~SATAN, ¦Ö¦Qico, °¯SageLord, °°@shitakA

Log from 2007-03-03:
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00:06 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/arma/?min=524
00:06 <wrtlprnft> interesting tie :)
00:08 <madmax|pt> wait, is that a meter of the opponents rubber?
00:09 <ghableska> #weather 50266
00:09 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 25.2°F (5:12 PM CST on March 02, 2007). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 19.4°F. Windchill: 14.0°F. Pressure: 28.56 in 967.0 hPa.  Blizzard Warning in effect until 6 am CST Saturday... 
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00:10 <wrtlprnft> madmax|pt: yeah, and brakes
00:11 <madmax|pt> that IS nice
00:11 <wrtlprnft> :D
00:11 <wrtlprnft> another reason why we need 0.3.1 to finally come out
00:12 <luke-jr_> Why are we trying to make the game stable for 0.3.1?
00:12 <madmax|pt> didnt know that could be done
00:13 <luke-jr_> we should just release it
00:13 <luke-jr_> it's not supposed to be well tested
00:13 <luke-jr_> or bugfree
00:13 <wrtlprnft> it should be usable
00:13 <luke-jr_> yes, that's all it needs tho
00:13 <luke-jr_> and it IS usable right now
00:14 <wrtlprnft> what we really need is windows nightlies.
00:14 <wrtlprnft> linux users don't really need builds IMHO
00:14 -!- digitx [n=digitx@catv-56653766.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #armagetron
00:15 <digitx> hi
00:15 <luke-jr_> heh, true
00:15 <wrtlprnft> hi
00:15 <digitx> #seen epsy
00:15 <armabot> digitx: epsy was last seen in #armagetron 3 hours, 14 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <epsy> cya
00:15 <digitx> xD
00:15 <luke-jr_> then  we can up the standards for experimental releases
00:15 <digitx> #seen wrtlprnft 
00:15 <armabot> digitx: wrtlprnft was last seen in #armagetron 14 seconds ago: <wrtlprnft> hi
00:15 <luke-jr_> or rather than nightlies, get Luci's build farm thing doing Windows for every rev
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00:16 <digitx> luci
00:16 <digitx> xD
00:16 <wrtlprnft> that's what was planned IIRC
00:16 <digitx> go nomrs ?
00:16 <wrtlprnft> nah, not again
00:16 <digitx> D
00:16 <wrtlprnft> I don't like the settings that much
00:16 <digitx> i like 10 rubber
00:16 <wrtlprnft> and it's .20 AM
00:16 <digitx> timebased
00:16 <digitx> o
00:16 <wrtlprnft> almost timebased
00:16 <digitx> 12:20 AM
00:16 <digitx> no ?
00:17 <wrtlprnft> that's what I meant
00:17  * wrtlprnft only uses AM for times ≤ 12 hours so americans don't think I'm talking PM
00:18 <spidey> wrtlprnft, but 12:20 am PST CDT or EST?
00:18 <spidey> :P
00:19 <wrtlprnft> local time, GMT+1
00:19 <wrtlprnft> :D
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00:19 <spidey> 8 hours ahead of me :O
00:19 <spidey> 7 hours*
00:20 <Vanhayes> #time
00:20 <armabot> Vanhayes: 12:35 AM, March 03, 2007
00:20 <Vanhayes> spidey: did you join kotg?
00:20 <spidey> wtf's kotg?
00:20 <luke-jr_> .20 would be 00:12 foo
00:20 <Vanhayes> http://www.kingsofthegrid.net/forum/index.php
00:21 <Vanhayes> sumo ladder
00:21 <Vanhayes> and fortress competitions, once that gets started
00:21 <spidey> no
00:21 <pavelo> dont we have enough competitions already
00:22 <Vanhayes> well kotg sumo is an anytime thing
00:22 <wrtlprnft> I was too lazy to search for opponents yet
00:22 <Vanhayes> heh I had 6 matches today
00:23 <madmax|pt> will 0.3.1 have the 0.2.8 cam as a choice?
00:23 <spidey> 2.8 cam sucks
00:23 <spidey> :P
00:23 <Vanhayes> I want the fortress part of it to start up soon, but im guessing that wont start untill after the ladle
00:23 <Vanhayes> Id like a hybrid of them both
00:23 <pavelo> madmax|pt:  highly unlikely
00:25 <madmax|pt> well, why not? I think 0.3's cam is already keeping some players out of it
00:25 <wrtlprnft> well
00:25 <wrtlprnft> the camera code is bloated.
00:25 <wrtlprnft> noone wants to work on it because people will keep complaining about every tiny change
00:25 <spidey> ...
00:25 <spidey> what's wrong with 0.3 cam?
00:25 <spidey> it's just fine for me
00:25 <Vanhayes> it takes some adjusting
00:26 <wrtlprnft> because working on it would mean rewriting it, basically
00:26 <spidey> imo 0.2.8 rotates to slowly
00:26 <Vanhayes> once your used to it I find its better
00:26 <wrtlprnft> well, the 0.3.0 cam does have some weird bugs
00:26 <wrtlprnft> but it's great if configured with my settings
00:26 <pavelo> i just increase the turn speed and its usable, but i like the old one better
00:26 <spidey> i use default and it works fine for me :P
00:27 <wrtlprnft> the problem is that my settings make the incam unusuable
00:27 <wrtlprnft> it just won't turn anymore
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00:33 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:33 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
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00:47 <digitx> #night
00:47 <armabot> Good night digitx!
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00:58 <ghableska> wb
00:58 <Vanhayes> ty
00:58 <Vanhayes> I hate automatic updates
00:58 <Vanhayes> so much
00:59 <ghableska> windows updates?
00:59 <Vanhayes> an apple and a mcaffe
00:59 <ghableska> ah
00:59 <Vanhayes> both came up during my match with sagelord
00:59 <ghableska> aww
00:59  * ghableska hates the ones that pop up every 10 minutes, and when you press enter for something else, you accidentally restart :/
00:59 <Vanhayes> I was ahead 1-0 in matches and then the updates happened and It was unplayable for half a match
01:00 <Vanhayes> those are the worst
01:00 <ghableska> yeah
01:00 <ghableska> are you going to ask for a rematch?
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01:00 <Vanhayes> worst thing was I tied it for the 1oth round and he won by 30 points
01:00 <Vanhayes> nah
01:00 <ghableska> :/
01:01 <Vanhayes> actually the worst thing was I was down 90 points in the last round and he did thr copout move so I onlt got 60
01:01 <ghableska> ouch
01:02 <Vanhayes> there, no more auto updates for mcaffe
01:02 <ghableska> heh
01:02  * ghableska uses Avast!
01:03 <madmax|pt> heh the 'copout' seems popular :/
01:03 <Vanhayes> ya, subz did it to me in a match to win 2-0, so I did it to him and won 2-1
01:04 <Vanhayes> he bitched at me for doing it too heh
01:04 <ghableska> what tourney is this?
01:04 <Vanhayes> king of the grind sumo
01:04 <ghableska> ah
01:04 <Vanhayes> not really a tourney, more of an ongoing ladder
01:04 <ghableska> heh
01:04 <ghableska> #lastseen Vanhayes
01:04 <madmax|pt> ok, it seems even more popular than i thought
01:04 <armabot> ghableska: Vanhayes has last been seen on  Wild West  =1 vs 1 Sumo Arena= 8 minutes ago.
01:04 <ghableska> madmax|pt?
01:05 <madmax|pt> ?
01:05 <ghableska> nvm
01:05 <Vanhayes> hmm, I think I might be around 100-105 points now, not sure
01:06 <ghableska> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6414197.stm <-- scary
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01:06 <ghableska> hi xfroggy
01:07 <xfroggy> hello XD
01:08 <madmax|pt> there's a fixed 1vs1 WW server?
01:08 <xfroggy> Yea, I think Manta put it yesterday
01:08 <Vanhayes> ya
01:08 <madmax|pt> cool
01:08 <Vanhayes> my ping isnt that different there, 120 instead of 130
01:08 <madmax|pt> o_o
01:09 <Vanhayes> hmm I think I did 7 matchs today
01:10 <madmax|pt> ahh the sumo ladder burst
01:13 <ghableska> haha
01:14 <Vanhayes> bbiab
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01:14 <ghableska> luci fences? o_O
01:14 <ghableska> #seen Lucifer_
01:14 <armabot> ghableska: I have not seen Lucifer_.
01:14 <ghableska> #seen Lucifer_fencing
01:14 <armabot> ghableska: I have not seen Lucifer_fencing.
01:15 <ghableska> #seen Lucifer_arma
01:15 <armabot> ghableska: Lucifer_arma was last seen in #armagetron 1 hour, 47 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: * Lucifer_arma is going to fencing class now
01:15 <madmax|pt> who?
01:15 <ghableska> Lucifer_arma...
01:15 <spidey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaCJrygO2NU
01:15 <spidey> hahahaha
01:15 <spidey> i love that!
01:17 <ghableska> "When given alcohol....."
01:18  * ghableska wonders if Vanhayes would find that offensive
01:18 <madmax|pt> ah, povray works from the command line
01:18 <ghableska> povray?
01:18 <spidey> it gets funny ghab
01:18 <spidey> watch it all the way through
01:18 <ghableska> I did :P
01:18 <spidey> i thought it was awesome, heh
01:18 <ghableska> have you seen the comedy barn one?
01:19 <madmax|pt> its for rendering 3d scenes
01:19 <ghableska> ah
01:19 <madmax|pt> why would Van find that offensive? o_O
01:20 <ghableska> err, the comments below it :p
01:22 <madmax|pt> ah
01:22 <madmax|pt> lol
01:22 <ghableska> madmax|pt: you an artist? :P
01:23 <madmax|pt> not really. But I'll use povray during this semester
01:23 <ghableska> ah
01:23 <madmax|pt> i have a 'computer graphics' discipline
01:23 <ghableska> heh
01:24 <ghableska> what programs do you use?
01:25 <madmax|pt> well, i'll use povray and vrml
01:26 <madmax|pt> by 'use' you mean 'use in that discipline' right?
01:26 <ghableska> err, sure...
01:26 <madmax|pt> er
01:28 <madmax|pt> good to know vrml is getting obsolete
01:28 <madmax|pt> heh
01:29  * ghableska has tried blender, and hated it
01:29 <madmax|pt> try wings3d :P
01:30  * ghableska prefers 3dsmax
01:30 <ghableska> well, the trial version :p
01:30 <madmax|pt> i played with that some time ago
01:30 <madmax|pt> probably dont remember anything
01:30 <ghableska> heh
01:31 <madmax|pt> but i found wings3d pretty simple to use
01:31 <ghableska> bah
01:31 <ghableska> but there's no renderer
01:32 <madmax|pt> yeah
01:32 <ghableska> and no animation support
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01:33 <madmax|pt> have you tried vue esprit?
01:34 <ghableska> I tried one of them...
01:34 <ghableska> you should try terragen
01:34 <ghableska> it's free, and really powerful
01:35 <madmax|pt> small file size too
01:35  * madmax|pt takes a look
01:35 <ghableska> heh
01:35 <ghableska> http://www.planetside.co.uk/terragen/tg2/tg2tp/index.html
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01:45 <madmax|pt> hmm its nice
01:45 <ghableska> yup
01:45  * ghableska loves the clouds
01:53 <madmax|pt> gnight
01:53 <ghableska> cya
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02:04 <Vanhayes> hey lack
02:04 <Lackadaisical> hi
02:04 <Lackadaisical> how exactly do you transclude a page on the wiki?
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02:15 <ghableska> #dict
02:15 <armabot> ghableska: (dict [<dictionary>] <word>) -- Looks up the definition of <word> on dict.org's dictd server.
02:15 <ghableska> #dict transclude
02:15 <armabot> ghableska: No definition for "transclude" could be found.
02:15 <ghableska> o_O
02:16 <GodTodd> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transclusion
02:17 <GodTodd> In computer science, transclusion is the inclusion of part of a document into another document by reference. It is a feature of substitution templates.
02:17 <ghableska> ah
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02:23 <Durka> Vanhayes: ping
02:23 <Vanhayes> pong
02:24 <Vanhayes> Durka: pong
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02:39 <Vanhayes> #ping
02:39 -!- Netsplit over, joins: guru3, mkzelda, spidey, Durka
02:39 <armabot> pong
02:40 <Durka> ??? o_O wtf ???
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02:40 <Durka> °°ps
02:41 <ghableska> o_O
02:42 <Durka> ghab u see that?
02:42 <ghableska> the disconnects?
02:42 <Durka> ya
02:42 <ghableska> yup
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02:42 <ghableska> [19:43] *** Durka has signed off IRC (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net).
02:42 <ghableska> [19:43] *** spidey has signed off IRC (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net).
02:42 <ghableska> [19:43] *** mkzelda has signed off IRC (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net).
02:42 <ghableska> [19:43] *** guru3 has signed off IRC (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net).
02:42 <ghableska> [19:43] *** GodTodd has signed off IRC (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net).
02:42 <ghableska> o_O
02:43 <Durka> ?
02:43 <Durka> i didnt sign off
02:43 <ghableska> it says you did :p
02:43 <Durka> hmmm
02:43 <Durka> i got this error
02:44 <hang3r> It's called a netsplit
02:44 <Durka> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=147341#147341
02:44 <ghableska> ah
02:44 <Durka> lol
02:45 <hang3r> It's what happens when a IRC server goes down or stops communicating with the rest of the servers in the network.
02:45 <Durka> =/
02:46 <hang3r> It's normal, happens quiet often.
02:46 <Durka> lol
02:46 <Durka> nvr seen it
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03:13 <spidey> ...
03:13 <luke-jr_> who here is good w/ algebras?
03:13 <spidey> algebra?
03:13 <Vanhayes> armabot
03:13 <spidey> or alge bras?
03:13  * luke-jr_ doubts armabot is
03:13 <Vanhayes> try her out
03:13 <luke-jr_> how?
03:13 <spidey> she's goot at pre-algebra
03:14 <spidey> good*
03:14 <spidey> oh i know
03:14 <spidey> ask lizz
03:14 <spidey> she's a walking math book
03:14 <luke-jr_> I need to find x y and z for: x = (4 * y) + (2 * z); y = 3 * z; z = 1 * y
03:14 <Lucifer_fencing> saying I"m good with algebra is like saying I"m good with walking
03:15 <spidey> #g x = (4 * y) + (2 * z); y = 3 * z; z = 1 * y
03:15 <armabot> spidey: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
03:16 <spidey> Lucifer_fencing, civ tonight?
03:16 <luke-jr_> omg it's friday
03:16 <luke-jr_> civ!!
03:16 <spidey> omg luke's not invited!!
03:16 <spidey> Vanhayes, ping
03:17 <luke-jr_> ...
03:17 <spidey> btw
03:18 <spidey> your vps has latency issues
03:18 <Lucifer_fencing> spidey: doubtful, maybe for a couple of hours in a bit, but my son's got a game tomorrow
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03:18 <spidey> anyone with a higher ping than another player can instant kill
03:18 <spidey> no matter if it's 10ms
03:18 <xfroggy> #roulette
03:18 <armabot> xfroggy: *click*
03:18 <luke-jr_> spidey: surprised it's still working at all, actually; I restarted the bridge and didn't put the vpses back in it
03:19 <spidey> ..
03:19 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: so how about that algebra?
03:19 <spidey> i'm talkin about the one you're hosting arma servers on
03:19 <Lucifer_arma> system of equations, 3 variables, 3 equations
03:19 <luke-jr_> or am I trying to do something impossible?
03:20 <Lucifer_arma> you can solve it :)
03:20 <luke-jr_> I think it's impossible
03:20 <luke-jr_> since y can't be 3z and z also be 1y
03:20 <Lucifer_arma> no, you're right about that
03:21 <Lucifer_arma> because if you plug in y for z, you get y = 3y
03:21 <Lucifer_arma> which is clearly false, unless y is 0
03:22 <Lucifer_arma> er, actually
03:22 <Lucifer_arma> y = 3y becomes 2y = 0, so y=0
03:22 <Lucifer_arma> then you plug that in for both y and z in the first equation
03:22 <Lucifer_arma> where you get x = 0 + 0, and x=0
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03:23 <spidey> hey it's mom
03:23 <Your_mom_arma> hey
03:23 <spidey> this means if we play we can restore that save :D
03:23 <Your_mom_arma> hmm?
03:24 <spidey> civ, if luci players
03:24 <spidey> plays*
03:24 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: yeah, but 0 is wrong
03:24 <Lucifer_arma> 0 is the solution :)
03:24 <Lucifer_arma> for all three.  Those three equations can only be the same x, y, and z if the solution for each is 0
03:24 <Lucifer_arma> so the equations are wrong
03:24 <luke-jr_> yeah
03:24 <Lucifer_arma> what are you trying to figure out?
03:25 <luke-jr_> a ranking system for Arma
03:25 <Your_mom_arma> did anyone else notice zapple posted in the forums?
03:25 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: I noticed
03:29 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: civ?
03:30 <spidey> luke-jr_, don't tell lies on me
03:30 <luke-jr_> I'm not
03:30 <spidey> i never said i was playing
03:30 <spidey> i asked luci if he was
03:30 <luke-jr_> implied it
03:30 <luke-jr_> besides, u r playing :p
03:31 <spidey> yes mother
03:31 <spidey> oh wait
03:31 <spidey> fuck you :)
03:32  * luke-jr_ calls spidey 
03:32 <spidey> i'll block your number :D
03:32 <luke-jr_> I'll spoof luci's
03:32 <luke-jr_> or ur mom's
03:33 <spidey> i'll block his to
03:33 <spidey> and his
03:33 <spidey> i can block numbers all night :
03:33 <spidey> :D
03:33 <luke-jr_> I'll just keep changing it
03:33 <luke-jr_> :D
03:33 <spidey> well
03:33 <spidey> i'll leave the phone off the hook
03:33 <luke-jr_> >:O
03:33 <spidey> i don't use the fuckin thing anyways :)
03:33 <luke-jr_> LOL
03:40 <spidey> #g 4^5
03:40 <armabot> spidey: 4^5 = 1,024
03:40 <luke-jr_> well, if y'all aren't gonna play, I'll do work
03:40 <spidey> depends on who's playing
03:40 <spidey> besides, i don't feel like just getting my civ setup then saving
03:40 <spidey> then never restoring it
03:40 <spidey> like we always do
03:41  * luke-jr_ notes spidey and Lucifer_arma quit first last game
03:41 <spidey> wow
03:41 <spidey> we quit first ONE TIME
03:41 <spidey> we're such bad guys
03:41 <luke-jr_> no, that was an example
03:41 <spidey> of?
03:41 <spidey> that you quit 99% of the time, and we quit 1% ?
03:42 <Lucifer_arma> we quit tht game becuse it was boring as hell
03:43 <Lucifer_arma> we, as me spidey and I, are tired of pwning ais
03:43 <Lucifer_arma> we want a real challenge, something that requires resourcefulness and creativity
03:43 <Lucifer_arma> I'd rather lose after that kind of game then spend the whole game pwning ais
03:43 <spidey> i say we load up the aggressive ai's
03:43 <spidey> eg: 20 of them
03:43  * luke-jr_ notes you guys setup the games anyway
03:44  * spidey notes lacking players to play a real games makes us resort to AI's
03:44 <Lucifer_arma> it was our first time with a team game against ais, now we know to either team the ais too, or don't team anybody
03:44 <spidey> plus you run at the sight of war
03:44 <luke-jr_> do not
03:44 <luke-jr_> I just don't declare it
03:44 <spidey> lying's a send
03:44 <Lucifer_arma> yep.  "Oh shit, the ai just took my city!  I need to sleep, 'night!"
03:44 <spidey> sin*
03:45  * Lucifer_arma beat one of the Fencing II kids tonight :)
03:45 <Your_mom_arma> how do you confuse send for sin?
03:45 <Lucifer_arma> they sound the same when you're a hick
03:45 <spidey> lmao
03:45 <Your_mom_arma> ouch haha
03:46 <spidey> luci knows all about that :D
03:46 <Lucifer_arma> yep, I live in Texas and deal with hicks every day
03:46 <spidey> lol
03:47 <spidey> so we gonna setup a game?
03:47 <spidey> can recruit in #freeciv i guess
03:47 <luke-jr_> hachi is running
03:47 <spidey> maybe some good players will come
03:47 <luke-jr_> lemme know here when u connect so I can ctrl you
03:48 <spidey> ctrl me so i can /cut the sorry admin of that server!
03:48 <spidey> :
03:48 <spidey> :D
03:48 <luke-jr_> ...
03:48 <spidey> don't you ... me
03:48 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm not coming in for a couple of hours still, not ready to play yet
03:50  * spidey installs a jabber server on his server
03:51 <Lucifer_arma> you got cut off, too?
03:51 <spidey> nah
03:51 <spidey> this server i'm using blows :|
03:51 <Lucifer_arma> mine won't let me log back on, connection refused
03:51 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: spidey's IM server host has issues with s2s
03:53  * Lucifer_arma has a suspicion the fencing II chick he beat is developing a little crush
03:53 <luke-jr_> you're married@
03:53 <Lucifer_arma> yes I am
03:54 <spidey> lol
03:54 <Lucifer_arma> hey, observing that it appears some chick might be developing a little crush is not the same thing as saying I'll fuck her silly
03:59 <spidey> luke-jr_, your ranking system has a fault
03:59 <spidey> want me to explain?
03:59 <luke-jr_> what ranking system?
04:00 <spidey> the one you're working on
04:00 <spidey> it had a fault before you ever thought of it
04:01 <spidey> the higher ranking player can throw the match to the noob who has no chance of moving up to keep himself from losing
04:02 <luke-jr_> how?
04:02 <spidey> suicide?
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04:11 <Lucifer_arma> indeed, the ranking system we have has a fault where a higher-ranking player has more on the line than a lower-ranking player
04:11 <Lucifer_arma> so once you start climbing the ladder, it becomes worthwhile not to play very often and only against higher-ranking players
04:18 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, server restarts take care of that?
04:18 <spidey> doesn't the ladder reset after a reboot
04:19 <Lucifer_arma> no, there's a config item to determine how much to penalize players when the server restarts
04:19 <Lucifer_arma> but if the server's only restarted once a month or less, what happens?
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05:05 <ghableska> #weather 50266
05:05 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 20.1°F (10:06 PM CST on March 02, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 10.4°F. Windchill: 8.6°F. Pressure: 28.64 in 969.8 hPa.  Blizzard Warning in effect until 6 am CST Saturday... 
05:07 <ghableska> http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/300/trailer2/large.html <-- "The videotape also shows a man in a Superman costume walking around the car, but he did not stop to help the driver or any of the victims. His identity is unknown."
05:07 <ghableska> err
05:07 <ghableska> wrong link
05:07 <ghableska> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6414003.stm
05:07 <ghableska> there
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'm done with the competition hub unless someone needs me to care about it again.
05:10 <xfroggy> ffs
05:10 <xfroggy> this shit is happening on daily basis here
05:11 <luke-jr_> ...
05:11 <xfroggy> url above ^
05:11 <xfroggy> last time was a fuckin old lady went thru a fuckin bank wall
05:12 <luke-jr_> ...
05:12 <xfroggy> ...
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> what's the deal about the man in the superman costume?
05:12 <ghableska> no idea
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> and why didn't he stop to help her?!?!?
05:12 <xfroggy> lol
05:12 <ghableska> at least the people at the BBC have a sense of humor...
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> we had someone get mad at a Taco Bell one time and drive their car into it
05:13 <luke-jr_> lol
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> apparently they really did screw up his order
05:13 <xfroggy> people love superman :)
05:13 <ghableska> xfroggy: where's here?
05:13 <xfroggy> florida :)
05:13 <xfroggy> miami & broward
05:13 <ghableska> ah
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> oh, right, florida, where the average age is something like 71,
05:13 <xfroggy> yup
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> and the average age of a high school graduate is around 22
05:14 <ghableska> :o
05:14 <ghableska> really?
05:14 <xfroggy> they all drive lincoln town cars or something similiar to that car, with a fucking telescopes on their eyes
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> odd, that the Fountain of Youth is supposed to be in florida, when just living in Florida automatically adds 10 years to your life, similar to hwo cameras add weight
05:14 <xfroggy> and they still cant see...
05:14 <ghableska> heh
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> man, some chick tried to run me off the road earlier
05:15 <ghableska> on the highway?
05:15 <Lucifer_arma> and she was young, too!  ACC student, even!  (at least, she had the ACC parking tag in her car)
05:15 <Lucifer_arma> no, little 4-laner that leads out of my neighborhood
05:15 <ghableska> oh
05:15 <Lucifer_arma> 45 speed limit, she passed me and then slowed down to 40
05:15 <ghableska> o_O
05:15 <xfroggy> lol
05:15 <ghableska> do you know her? :p
05:15 <Lucifer_arma> I followed for a bit, then decided to pass her.  Soon as I got into her blind spot, she merges at me
05:15 <xfroggy> lmao!
05:15 <Lucifer_arma> I hit my brakes and honked my horn, but she didn't respond at all
05:16 <ghableska> this is why I dislike driving
05:16 <Lucifer_arma> then she fired up to 55 for the rest of the run to the light
05:16 <xfroggy> jeez
05:16 <Lucifer_arma> I stayed at 45 and let her get away before going up to 50 myself (my normal cruising speed there)
05:16 <xfroggy> where u from?
05:16 <Lucifer_arma> didn't want her to take another shot at me.  Not sure if it was malice or stupidity, leaning towards the latter...
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> Austin
05:17 <xfroggy> Oo
05:17 <xfroggy> gotta love the females in modern tank SUV's, driving around, trying to put on their make up or paint their nails, not giving a f**k about traffic
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> she was in a smaller car, little 4-door wonder.  Not even a luxury 4-door
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> of course, I'm in my little red car
05:18 <xfroggy> :)
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> still, if she had looked in her mirror, she wouldn't have seen me (I was in her blind spot), and should have asked the question "Where did that little red car go?"
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> then, and this is the part I see all the time that really irritates me, TURNED HER FUCKING HEAD and looked at her BLIND SPOT, she would've seen me!
05:19 <xfroggy> lol!
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> actually, I don't get these shots at me very often, I'm averaging less than once a year, but I drive pretty defensively.  Assertive, but defensive.
05:19 <xfroggy> I think DMV is giving out way too many licenses today to too many dumbasses =\
05:20 <Lucifer_arma> well, if they decided to quit giving out licenses to dumbasses, less than 20% of the population would have licenses
05:20 <Lucifer_arma> but most of them would still drive :/
05:20 <xfroggy> they should make it more difficult to get it though
05:20 <Lucifer_arma> it's like people who are normally very smart people turn into instant dumbasses as soon as they get behind the wheel.  It's uncanny!
05:21 <ghableska> heh
05:21 <xfroggy> comparing how to get a driving license in some of the European countries, US is the easiest
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> this is Friday, though, and the really idiotic drivers come out Friday afternoon and stay out all the way until late Sunday.  Mon-Thurs is fine most of the time.
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> my brother didn't even take a driving test.  The guy asked my mom if he was a good driver, and of course she said yes, and then gave him a license.
05:22 <xfroggy> omg
05:22 <xfroggy> hahahahahahaha
05:22 <ghableska> wow
05:22 <ghableska> that's sad
05:22 <xfroggy> that's a first time I heard something like that
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> Then he talked trash about how I failed my first driving test and he passed his.  I had to drive in the city when all my parents had me do was drive on the highway.
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> Good on the highway does not imply good in the city!
05:22 <Vanhayes> ... do you guys have a learner's permit or just a license?
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> we have a learner's permit
05:22 <xfroggy> thats to people who are under 17
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> you're not required to get one, though, unless you're learning.
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> well, here you can get a learner's permit at 15, and at 16 you can get a real license.
05:23 <xfroggy> hmm
05:23  * ghableska has a learner's permit
05:23 <Vanhayes> oh, we have to have one for a year without drivers ed, or 4 months with drivers ed
05:23 <xfroggy> I dont remember correctly
05:23  * Lucifer_arma always has to take the driving test because he winds up letting his license expire
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> I've now failed the test in 3 states!  :)
05:24 <ghableska> heh
05:24 <Lucifer_arma> otoh, I've passed it like 8 times or somesuch
05:24 <Lucifer_arma> maybe only 4, I forget the exact count
05:24 <Vanhayes> then after that period we go for our driver's test, get our class 7, then 2 years after we first get our permit we get our class 5
05:24 <Lucifer_arma> this last time the guy was just really bored.  I could tell he didn't want to bother even testing me, heh.
05:24 <xfroggy> I never studied a booklet, I came in, took a test, which was common sense questions, and the driving test which lasted less than 10 minutes...the guy said I passed....I was amazed
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> I got nitpicked.  Well, the first time, when I was 18, I wasn't ready, I failed that one honestly.
05:25 <ghableska> Vanhayes: so what's the earliest age that you can get you're license?
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> The second time I failed (which was in Texas), I failed only because I was speeding.  The car I was used to driving was small, I was testing in a big ol' Cadillac
05:25 <xfroggy> I forgot that one thing I had to go to some kind of study hall and watch for 3 hours about DUI video's
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05:25 <Vanhayes> ghableska: 16 and 4 months iirc
05:26 <ghableska> ah
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> third time I failed over parallel parking.  In WA, apparently, it's required.  What's weird is I could've parallel parked my truck, but I was testing in my wife's car.
05:26 <Vanhayes> well for this province anyways
05:26 <xfroggy> lmao
05:26 <Vanhayes> alberta is 14
05:26 <ghableska> :o
05:26 <xfroggy> we don't have parellel parking, thank god for that =\
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, I later took my truck over to the testing area and parallel parked it just to show that I could.  :)
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> he did compliment me for understanding the traffic circles, though.  Apparently most idiots in WA just go whatever direction they want, and I actually went the right way.
05:27 <xfroggy> jeez, gotta love US, you can get a gun and a driving license without any hassle, then people wonder why we have so many drive-by's :)
05:27 <luke-jr_> ...
05:27 <luke-jr_> having a gun is a right
05:28 <luke-jr_> driving is a privilege
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> this last time was a slam dunk
05:28 <luke-jr_> don't compare them
05:28 <xfroggy> ...
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> er, having a gun is a privilege too
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> self-defense is a right
05:28 <xfroggy> ^
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> don't confuse the two
05:28 <Vanhayes> both are deadly in the wrong hands
05:28 <luke-jr_> self-defense depends on a gun
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> no, it depends on a brain
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> a gun is just a tool
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> it can be used for good, for evil, or left to rot in a closet
05:29 <luke-jr_> but you can't defend yourself from someone stronger w/o such a tool
05:29 <Vanhayes> hunting rifle isnt really ment for self defense, though im sure it would work
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> I can :)
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> because I use my brain
05:29 <luke-jr_> brain can only do so much
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> but it makes all the difference
05:29 <luke-jr_> how do you make a switch in python?
05:29 <luke-jr_> and can it handle strings
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> you don't
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> you do if... elif... elif...
05:30 <luke-jr_> wtf?
05:30 <luke-jr_> ewww
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> faster than a switch anyway, and more readable
05:30  * luke-jr_ uses PHP instead
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> switch is the bane of C
05:30 <luke-jr_> elif is the ewwest
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> shoot it!
05:31 <luke-jr_> at least in C you can do:
05:31 <luke-jr_> if (foo)
05:31 <luke-jr_> ...
05:31 <luke-jr_> else
05:31 <luke-jr_> if (foo2)
05:31 <luke-jr_> ...
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> and the difference is ... ?
05:31 <luke-jr_> makes a lot better for diffing
05:31  * luke-jr_ writes code to be diffable
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> what it comes down to is that a case ends with a break; , which is what shows it to be a stupid hack instead of a well-thought language construct
05:32 <luke-jr_> it doesn't need to
05:32 <luke-jr_> it can fall through
05:32 <luke-jr_> which is very useful
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> useful, maybe.  Generates code that's hard to read?  Definitely.  hard to read code is maintainable?  Definitely not.
05:33  * luke-jr_ thinks in C when coding C :)
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> not terribly relevant.  Each case statement is its own block of code, and the implication by any given code convention is that each block is separate and mutually exclusive
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> the python guys decided to take a stand and make the code behave the way it appears
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> rather than make it appear one way, but actually behave another
05:34  * luke-jr_ puts some goto code in Arma just to annoy Luci
05:34 <luke-jr_> :p j/k
05:36  * Lucifer_arma didn't used to be so anal about readable code........when he was using commodore basic!
05:37  * Lucifer_arma goes to figure out the right lexx stuff for css
05:37 <luke-jr_> ?
05:39 <[dlh]> “Lucifer_arma: switch is the bane of C” well, you could always try something likes Ruby's case statement, which doesn't suck.
05:40 <luke-jr_> what is Ruby's?
05:41 <[dlh]> http://pastie.caboo.se/44389
05:42 <[dlh]> it doesn't follow through like C's switch, so no breaks necessary.
05:43  * luke-jr_ notes fallthru is half the usefulness of switch
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> fallthrough is also the reason switch sucks
05:56  * luke-jr_ ponders
05:56 <luke-jr_> A=max((B+max((B-A)/2, 100))/2,A);B-=10
05:57 <luke-jr_> why wouldn't that work?
05:57 <luke-jr_> it seems to make players approach a rank of 100, but never pass it
06:08 <Your_mom_arma> so whats up with that game of freeciv?
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06:19 <spidey> hm
06:19 <spidey> civ
06:19 <spidey> Your_mom_arma, Lucifer_arma luke-jr_ ping
06:21 <Your_mom_arma> pong
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> maybe, filling out a TxDOT application right now
06:24 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: hachi.dashjr.org 5556
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> did you make an ai for me to take?  ;)
06:24 <luke-jr_> we haven't started
06:24  * Lucifer_arma notes he isn't coding for arma when he's playing freeciv
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> ah, I'm probably 20-30 minutes out still
06:24  * luke-jr_ as well
06:25 <luke-jr_> I think I just solved my chicken-and-egg problem as well as a few others with the ranking system
06:26 <luke-jr_> not the "rise to high rank and quit" one tho, but that one can be avoided possibly
06:26 <spidey> ctrl me luke
06:27 <Your_mom_arma> the chicken comes from an egg from a previous evolution of said chicken
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> #g 5500/60
06:27 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 5,500 / 60 = 91.6666667
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> sure took them long enough to figure out I was *right* about the price
06:27 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: ...
06:28 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: ?
06:28 <Your_mom_arma> luke-jr_: ?
06:28 <luke-jr_> iv?
06:28 <luke-jr_> civ?
06:28 <Your_mom_arma> no, about the chicken comment
06:28 <luke-jr_> ...
06:28 <luke-jr_> decent fiction?
06:29 <luke-jr_> except that it's plagerised
06:29 <Your_mom_arma> i didnt plagerize
06:29 <Your_mom_arma> what the evolution comment?
06:29 <luke-jr_> yeah
06:29 <luke-jr_> you gonna come to civ?
06:30 <Your_mom_arma> what port on your server 5556?
06:33 <spidey> #g 25% of 7,000
06:33 <armabot> spidey: 25% of 7,000 = 1,750
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> I can't believe they want me to put in all jobs I've ever had
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not doing it, but I'm not going to like putting in some of the ones I'm putting in.
06:36  * GodTodd has had a few jobs he doesn't claim
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm trying not to leave breaks in employment that are too large
06:38 <GodTodd> you know...like president of canada, head of the american catholic church and such ;)
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> another *serious* problem is that I'm not about to go through and put all the different sonics I worked at
06:38 <GodTodd> yeah...i usually just put them in if there's going to be too big a gap
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> I'm just going to claim one for the whole period of 4.5 years
06:38 <GodTodd> well...technically that's fine since you still worked for the same company
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> which I did, but I was fired from one, hired at another, mutually fired/quit, hired at another...
06:39 <GodTodd> so?
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> exactly :)
06:39 <GodTodd> still sonic :D
06:40 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: you got time to play?
06:40 <GodTodd> most of my employment gaps are filled with educational references
06:40 <GodTodd> luke-jr_:): not tonight
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> I'm leaving out Midas entirely.  That was 6 months, and the purpose of the move was to get a job in computers, so it'll be fine to leave that gap in there.
06:40 <GodTodd> what job you applying for?
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> programmer at TxDOT
06:41 <GodTodd> ahhh cool :)
06:41 <GodTodd> maybe you can get the tollbooths to work right 
06:41 <GodTodd> heh
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> if they hire me, maybe a year from now I can transfer to college station :)
06:41 <luke-jr_> O.o
06:45 <GodTodd> o.O
06:45 <spidey> luke has a dot fetish
06:45 <spidey> :D
06:45 <luke-jr_> do not
06:45 <luke-jr_> I told you
06:45 <luke-jr_> if I did
06:45 <luke-jr_> I'd say ⡥⢎⠫⢫⣔⡯⢹⢱⡬⣰⢸⢒⡪⢶
06:46  * spidey wishes he could see what lukes average "..." in this channel was
06:46 <luke-jr_> or maybe ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿
06:46 <GodTodd> what do squares have to do with dots?
06:46 <spidey> you'd say blockblockblockblockblock?
06:46 <luke-jr_> you guys have sucky fonts :p
06:46 <spidey> no, just you
06:46 <GodTodd> or maybe you do?
06:46 <luke-jr_> nope
06:46 <luke-jr_> mine isn't missing those characters
06:46 <luke-jr_> yours are
06:47 <spidey> nah, yours just included some funky shit
06:47 <GodTodd> maybe they're sucky characters which would make any font that supports them sucky
06:47 <spidey> haha
06:47 <luke-jr_> you're so anti-disabled people
06:47 <GodTodd> who is?
06:47 <spidey> him
06:47 <spidey> didn't you know?
06:47 <luke-jr_> dunno
06:47 <luke-jr_> but that's what braille is for
06:47 <spidey> what's braille?
06:47 <luke-jr_> and you're saying any font with braille characters sucks
06:48 <GodTodd> no...braille is for blind people
06:48 <spidey> it does
06:48  * luke-jr_ stares at spidey 
06:48 <luke-jr_> blind isn't a disability now?
06:48 <GodTodd> it would do my brother in law no good
06:48 <GodTodd> and he is disabled
06:48 <GodTodd> didn't say that
06:48 <GodTodd> disabled doesn't necessarily mean blind
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> what good is a braille font?
06:49 <GodTodd> maybe it pops the pixels out so you can feel them
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> didn't do it here...
06:49 <GodTodd> cuz you don't support it
06:49 <GodTodd> so you suck :D
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> actually, the characters came through fine
06:49 <spidey> lol
06:50 <GodTodd> so you partially support it
06:50 <GodTodd> so you partially suck :D
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06:50  * Dragon_Heart slaps u all for giving luke a hard time :P
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> the thing is, even those machines that make braille letters work by just taking the ascii codes (hopefully utf8 now) and making the bumps
06:50 <Dragon_Heart> pooor luke
06:50 <luke-jr_> wtf?
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> it doesn't use fonts at all
06:50 <Dragon_Heart> ur all meanies!!!
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> that must be luke's wife
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06:51 <Dragon_Heart> erm... no
06:51  * luke-jr_ wonders how wizzee is spying
06:51 <spidey> <---
06:51 <Dragon_Heart> i have sources :p
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> nobody else here likes luke, so it must be his wife
06:51 <Dragon_Heart> she likes him??
06:51 <spidey> lol
06:51 <luke-jr_> ...
06:51 <Dragon_Heart> thought she married him for money
06:51 <spidey> hah
06:51 <Dragon_Heart> o.O
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> I assume she's the only one who would stick up for him
06:51 <GodTodd> HAHA
06:51 <Your_mom_arma> what good is braille in a computer font, if you cant feel it braille has no purpose
06:51 <spidey> dragon = lizz
06:51 <spidey> heh
06:52 <Dragon_Heart> i feel sry for him lol.. so came in to protect him!!
06:52  * GodTodd watches mom catch up ;)
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> you feel sorry for him?  wtf?
06:52 <Dragon_Heart> lol
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> go save a kangaroo or something that's worth saving
06:52 <Dragon_Heart> hellooo looceee
06:52 <Dragon_Heart> naa.. ate them all
06:52 <GodTodd> i do too...that's why i try and improve him through criticism :D
06:53  * Dragon_Heart sends spider a roo
06:53 <luke-jr_> are kangaroos worth eating?
06:53 <spidey> is luke-jr_ worth annoying?
06:53 <spidey> :D
06:53 <Dragon_Heart> taste better than lukes :p
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> well, he's secretly trying to give your soul to Jesus, so don't feel too sorry for him
06:53 <spidey> lol
06:53 <Dragon_Heart> meh.. hes lost already
06:53 <GodTodd> Grand Theft Soul....isn't that a felony?
06:53 <spidey> LOL
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> only if it doesn't end up in Jesus' hands
06:54 <luke-jr_> not if you do it legally
06:54  * GodTodd should change his last name to Dombrowski.
06:54 <Dragon_Heart> but i already sold my soul for rumm.. hes too late
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> rumm?  liquor?
06:54 <Dragon_Heart> m
06:54 <luke-jr_> O.o
06:55 <luke-jr_> why waste it on that
06:55 <GodTodd> liquor? i hardly know 'er!
06:55 <Dragon_Heart> coz its better tasting than u?
06:55 <luke-jr_> sure?
06:55 <Your_mom_arma> GodTodd: haha
06:55 <Dragon_Heart> lmao todd
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> if you want to get licked up, you don't need rum!
06:55  * GodTodd shudders at the thought of knowing *what* lame tastes like...
06:55 <Dragon_Heart> no.. but anjori keeps knocking me back lmao
06:56 <GodTodd> oh, yeah....that's an autoreplace i still have heh
06:56 <Your_mom_arma> luke= lame?
06:56 <GodTodd> yeah
06:56 <Dragon_Heart> thought he was blind not lame
06:56 <Dragon_Heart> ...
06:56 <spidey> O.o
06:56 <luke-jr_> lol
06:56 <GodTodd> he can be both :P
06:56 <spidey> he's the works
06:57 <Dragon_Heart> u wanna feel my dots luke? :P
06:57 <spidey> lmao!
06:57 <luke-jr_> ..........
06:57 <spidey> fetish!
06:57 <Dragon_Heart> ::::::::
06:57 <luke-jr_> double dots!
06:57 <Dragon_Heart> ;-)
06:57 <spidey> .:..::.:..:
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> problem is, they're hanging around her knees becuase they don't have bras down under
06:57 <GodTodd> well yeah....one for each tit
06:57 <GodTodd> duh
06:57 <Dragon_Heart> rofl
06:57 <Your_mom_arma> ouch
06:57 <Dragon_Heart> naa loocee
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> (.)(.)
06:57 <spidey> lol
06:57 <GodTodd> they do too...they just call them slings ;)
06:58 <Dragon_Heart> i cut them off so i can shoot my arrow
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> (+)(+)
06:58 <spidey> ( o )( o )
06:58 <Dragon_Heart> ^^ more like me lol
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> oo, those are like my wife's
06:58 <GodTodd> 8===========D~~~~~~
06:58 <spidey> LOL
06:59 <Dragon_Heart> can hold a beer can btwn them without dropping it :)
06:59 <luke-jr_> ......
06:59 <GodTodd> i can hang a towel so there :P
06:59 <spidey> that's how you snuck beer into school
06:59 <spidey> ...
06:59 <luke-jr_> LOL
06:59 <Dragon_Heart> mmm nice!
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> how many hands does it take to cover one up without squeezing?
07:00 <Dragon_Heart> depends how big ya hands are
07:00 <Dragon_Heart> and yes spider it was
07:00 <luke-jr_> my wife has small hands
07:00 <GodTodd> she'd have to...
07:00 <Dragon_Heart> lmao
07:00 <spidey> haha!
07:00 <luke-jr_> ...
07:00 <Dragon_Heart> :::
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> don't knock it, my wife has small hands too, and it's a good thing because she needs to use both of them
07:00 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: come play civ so I can tk you
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> if she had, you know, average sized hands, she wouldn't need both...
07:01 <Dragon_Heart> O.o
07:01 <luke-jr_> luci u comin to civ
07:01 <spidey> :.::...:.::::..; shit, pencil broke >.<
07:01 <GodTodd> for lame it'd be a half tho
07:01 <GodTodd> luke-jr_:): tk me?
07:01 <luke-jr_> yeah
07:01 <spidey> stop using my lines
07:01 <spidey> lamer:|
07:01 <luke-jr_> no
07:01 <spidey> yes
07:01 <luke-jr_> why
07:01 <spidey> because they're mine,and stealing is a sin
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> can we get lizz to play too?
07:01 <GodTodd> totally know me?
07:02 <GodTodd> that's gross
07:02 <luke-jr_> you want her to?
07:02 <Dragon_Heart> no.. i suck :)
07:02 <luke-jr_> who?
07:02 <spidey> u
07:02 <Dragon_Heart> well
07:02 <luke-jr_> no she doesn't
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> this Dragon_Heart (hi there!) person, because we need girls in civ
07:02 <Dragon_Heart> loocee
07:02 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma missed it
07:02 <spidey> infrrf
07:02 <spidey> wow
07:02 <spidey> indeed
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> missed what?
07:03 <spidey> that
07:03 <luke-jr_> LOL
07:03 <GodTodd> exactly
07:03 <Dragon_Heart> last time i played i ran around like a loony coz i didnt kno what i was doing ..>
07:03 <luke-jr_> it's ok
07:03 <luke-jr_> the world needs a few more loonys
07:03 <spidey> so does luke
07:03 <GodTodd> then you should team with lame :D
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> just means we won't be able to tell you apart from luke
07:03 <spidey> haha
07:03 <Dragon_Heart> all i wanted to do was jump on loocees men <.< but it wouldnt let me
07:03 <luke-jr_> it's stupid to team elite vs half-decent
07:04 <luke-jr_> jump on them in what way?
07:04 <spidey> you give yourself to much credit
07:04 <GodTodd> luke-jr_:): half-decent? you're not playing?
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> the way every woman wants to jump on my men
07:04 <Dragon_Heart> nods
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> what other way could there be?
07:04 <spidey> whoa
07:04 <spidey> luci
07:04 <spidey> we're elite
07:04 <spidey> yay!
07:05 <GodTodd> i prefer my men gently coaxed....jumping could kinda hurt
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> I thought we were just hardened?
07:05 <Dragon_Heart> elite n00bs
07:05  * Dragon_Heart perks
07:05 <GodTodd> elite b00bs?
07:05  * Dragon_Heart looks at hers
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> elite b00bs = (+)(+)
07:06 <spidey> 1337 elite boobs = ( + ) Y ( + )
07:06 <Dragon_Heart> oo should have the (*E)(B*) clan
07:06 <GodTodd> 1337 b00bs = ( o )  ( o )
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> drunken b00bs = ( o ) BEER ( o )
07:06 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: have you ported your nation yet?
07:06 <Dragon_Heart> heh
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: not yet
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> lemme go pee and grab a smoke
07:07 <luke-jr_> cuz Texan is taken :x
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> I'll join the server first
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> who took Texan?
07:07 <luke-jr_> he just changed to Swiss
07:07 <luke-jr_> ben did
07:07 <spidey> <Ben> Lucifer's fall started with his dreams  <--- challange!
07:07 <spidey> :O
07:07 <GodTodd> isn't he the one you kicked out?
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> he can have Texan if he wants :)
07:07 <luke-jr_> no, that's greg
07:07 <GodTodd> oh
07:07 <GodTodd> ok
07:08 <GodTodd> oh...wait...i should argue like lame does....like insist i'm right even when i'm wrong and facts don't support my position
07:08 <GodTodd> so it was ben, not greg
07:09 <spidey> #luke
07:09 <spidey> #luke
07:09 <spidey> #luke
07:09 <spidey> ?
07:09 <spidey> #ping
07:09 <armabot> pong
07:09 <spidey> ohhh
07:09 <GodTodd> he probably got rid of it again
07:09 <spidey> he removed it todd!
07:09 <GodTodd> yeah...i have to replace it and/or change it every now and again
07:11 <GodTodd> there ya go :D
07:11 <GodTodd> #luke
07:11 <armabot> STFU baka noob?? RTFM?? ur lame or smth.
07:14 <GodTodd> #dance
07:14 <armabot> GodTodd does the 'I killed chat' dance.
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> ftp://ftp.freeciv.org/pub/freeciv/contrib/tilesets/cartography/cartography.png
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> actually, we went into the civ game
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> you sure you don't want to come play for a bit?
07:22 <GodTodd> i can't...karen wants me to get up early cuz we have a lot of errands to run :/
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07:44 <kamp> hey suckas
07:45 <kamp> damn
07:45 <kamp> there's never anyone here
07:45 <Dragon_Heart> no.. we ran away
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07:50 <DrJoeTron> yo
07:51 <GodTodd> oy
07:53 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma http://www.somethingawful.com/d/photoshop-phriday/animal-anomalies-mutations.php?page=2 they put me up
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07:56 <Your_mom_arma> "Dr. Joetron composed this image for his true love, who was killed in 		a jet ski accident 10 years ago to this day." haha
07:57 <DrJoeTron> :D
07:57 <DrJoeTron> hey people in my server
07:57 <DrJoeTron> time to go kicking :d
08:04 <DrJoeTron> man im still all giddy for making it :)
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08:14 <MrBougo> yello
08:15 <MrBougo> so freenode.org and .net are the same server... dumb me xD
08:31 <luke-jr_> ...
08:35 <MrBougo> ?
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10:22 <digitx> hey
10:25 <MrBougo> yello
10:27 <digitx> hi bugi
10:33 <MrBougo> huh?
10:33 <digitx> huh
10:33 <digitx> reboot
10:33 <MrBougo> ??
10:34 <digitx> pff
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10:37 <digitx> r
10:43 <spidey> s
10:44 <MrBougo> t?
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11:21 <MrBougo> yello
11:21 <epsy> hi
11:22 <MrBougo> what time is it?
11:23 <epsy> #time
11:23 <armabot> epsy: 11:38 AM, March 03, 2007
11:23 <MrBougo> taht's CET time, isnt it
11:24 <MrBougo> oh yea right youre in the CET timezone
11:24 <epsy> that's germany time, so it's your time ;)
11:26 <MrBougo> i tgtg
11:26 <MrBougo> gtg i mean
11:26 <epsy> cu ;)
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11:29 <MrBougo> im not back
11:29 <MrBougo> now i'm really out xD
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11:51 <digitx> hey epsy
11:51 <epsy> hi
11:51 <digitx> gm
11:52 <digitx> :)
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12:57 <epsy> why ?
12:57 <epsy> err
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13:06 <DiGiTX> hey
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13:37 <DiGiTX> -
13:48 <guru3> stupid init scripts fucking up as it turns out...
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16:10 <DiGiTX> lol
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16:40 <ghableska> #weather 50266
16:40 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 16.9°F (9:41 AM CST on March 03, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 5.0°F. Windchill: 6.8°F. Pressure: 28.98 in 981.3 hPa (Rising).  Blowing Snow Advisory in effect until 4 PM CST this afternoon... 
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16:48 <MrBougo> yello
17:06 <madmax|pt> hi
17:14 <madmax|pt> #serverinfo team
17:14 <armabot> madmax|pt: {Delicious Desserts} Team Weekend - Custom Map: Players (5/16): Dedick, EleminoP, mushiu, speedy, {DD}Blizzard
17:14 <madmax|pt> #serverinfo team sumo
17:14 <armabot> madmax|pt: °¯ps Arena  ~~~ Team Sumo ~~~: Players (3/12): Jasper, Monkey, ~|DS|~|CruZ|~
17:14 <MrBougo> lol
17:14 <MrBougo> #serverinfo café
17:14 <armabot> MrBougo: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “caf�” at the moment, sorry.
17:15 <MrBougo> #serverinfo cafe
17:15 <armabot> MrBougo: Fortress Café: Players (10/32): CT|orly?, joa, kk~epsy, madmax, MaZuffeR, Mr. Bougo, PLAER), ~*SP*~Sasha, ~*SP*~SATAN, ¦×¥ Luzifer
17:15 <madmax|pt> #serverinfo bistro
17:16 <armabot> madmax|pt: 1v1 Sumo Bistro: No online players.
17:17 <epsy> #serverinfo classic
17:17 <armabot> epsy: Tigers Network Classic Play: Players (3/16): Janosch, PimpPanda, Schwede
17:19 <epsy> Lucifer_arma, do you have something about blender ,
17:19 <epsy> ?
17:25 <epsy> #serverinfo classic
17:25 <armabot> epsy: Tigers Network Classic Play: Players (4/16): Janosch, PimpPanda, Schwede, SWEES
17:26 <MrBougo> tu trouves pas de serv ? :p
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17:29 <MrBougo> yello
17:31 <epsy> chuis dessus
17:47 <DiGiTX> eps ?
17:48 <MrBougo> epsy : ?
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17:49 <MrBougo> ew
17:50 <epsy> ?
17:57 <madmax|pt> '24th Street Sounds', Miguel Migs <- nice 
17:58 <MrBougo> is it music?
17:58 <MrBougo> what else
17:58 <MrBougo> bleh
17:59 <epsy> i have a record about a syncing problem with a 0.2.6 server
17:59 <MrBougo> err... ew maybe... cant help you
17:59 <MrBougo> xD
17:59 <epsy> :P
17:59 <MrBougo> madmax|pt : ???
18:00 <MrBougo> [18:00] madmax|pt: '24th Street Sounds', Miguel Migs <- nice 
18:00 <MrBougo> ???
18:00 <epsy> http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/syncbug.aarec
18:00 <madmax|pt> yeah, deep house
18:00 <MrBougo> ima check that, im sure it looks funny, eps
18:00 <MrBougo> wah you like deep house?
18:00 <MrBougo> me too
18:01 <MrBougo> and proggy house/trance
18:01 <madmax|pt> gah, hate trance
18:01 <MrBougo> lolz :p
18:01 <epsy> guru3, Lucifer_arma, wrtlprnft, z-man-work ?
18:01 <MrBougo> MrBougo : ?
18:01 <MrBougo> oh nevermind
18:01 <MrBougo> that's me
18:01 <madmax|pt> miguel migs is pretty good
18:02 <MrBougo> never heard about him
18:02 <MrBougo> i'll try it out
18:20 <luke-jr_> how does the ladder work?
18:22 <epsy> luke-jr_, ct's ladder ?
18:23 <luke-jr_> ...
18:23 <luke-jr_> *the* ladder
18:23 <MrBougo> dunno
18:23 <MrBougo> it's pretty complex i think
18:23 <epsy> KotG ? or arma ?
18:23 <MrBougo> THE ladder
18:23 <MrBougo> xD
18:23 <MrBougo> arma i'd say
18:23 <epsy> heh
18:25 <epsy> luke-jr_, KotG ? or arma ?
18:25 <DiGiTX> http://digitx.homelinux.org/beta/
18:25 <DiGiTX> D
18:26 <MrBougo> i dont get it
18:26 <MrBougo> its hingariaj
18:26 <epsy> luke-jr_, you get a certain amount of points killing someone, being killed(neg points), etc etc...
18:26 <epsy> then the server makes a ladder of all the players in there
18:27 <epsy> and tells to the present players if they gained points/gained places/lost places
18:27 <epsy> or you mean the king soft he grid(:P) thing ?
18:27 <DiGiTX> http://digitx.homelinux.org/beta/Beta/
18:28 <DiGiTX> http://digitx.homelinux.org/beta/
18:28 <DiGiTX> http://digitx.homelinux.org/
18:28 <DiGiTX> LOL
18:28 <MrBougo> i dont think so epsy
18:28 <DiGiTX> look bugi
18:28 <DiGiTX> xD
18:28 <epsy> heh
18:29 <epsy> this is worse than hungrarian xD
18:29 <MrBougo> rofl
18:29 <epsy> :P
18:29 <MrBougo> lorem ipsum
18:29 <DiGiTX> lorem ipsom no hungarian XD
18:29 <MrBougo> epsy, on swampland the ladder points are given from all the players to the last standing player
18:29 <epsy> ladder ?
18:30 <MrBougo> yep
18:30 <epsy> i dont play munch on spawpy's server
18:30 <epsy> *swampy
18:33 <DiGiTX> i like norms and kk servers
18:33 <DiGiTX> XD
18:34 <epsy> omg i need to fix a map
18:34 <epsy> some spawn points are in a death zone
18:34 <epsy> huh
18:34 <epsy> was tired
18:34 <madmax|pt> is GP still alive?
18:34 <DiGiTX> eps
18:34 <epsy> GP ?
18:34 <DiGiTX> port?
18:35 <epsy> not up
18:35 <DiGiTX> :4539?
18:35 <DiGiTX> XD
18:35 <epsy> yup
18:35 <epsy> 4539
18:35 <madmax|pt> the clan
18:35 <epsy> for web
18:35 <epsy> i dont know madmax|pt 
18:35 <DiGiTX> k
18:35 <DiGiTX> epsy
18:35 <DiGiTX> i master XD 
18:35 <epsy> ye ,
18:35 <epsy> ?
18:35 <DiGiTX> i know u port D
18:35 <epsy> lol
18:35 <DiGiTX> i dont forget u port lol
18:36 <MrBougo> ehkehk
18:36 <MrBougo> oops
18:36 <DiGiTX> http://www.epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/maprotation/mapcycle2.sh
18:36 <DiGiTX> oh bash master LOL
18:36 <epsy> lol
18:36 <epsy> no
18:36 <epsy> it's PTA's script
18:37 <DiGiTX> http://www.epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/screenshots/2007-03-03-132821.png
18:37 <DiGiTX> haha
18:37 <DiGiTX> XD
18:37  * epsy is trying diedels descent new level
18:37 <epsy> his last one :'(
18:37 <epsy> DiGiTX, you like hp's avatar ?
18:37 <epsy> hehe
18:38 <DiGiTX> hp ?
18:38 <epsy> in the screenie
18:38 <luke-jr_> so the ladder doesn't take into account real skill?
18:38 <DiGiTX> hp ?
18:38 <DiGiTX> where? XD
18:38 <epsy> luke-jr_, no, that's why some devs want to replace it
18:38 <DiGiTX> jaa
18:39  * luke-jr_ ponders
18:39 <DiGiTX> lool xD
18:39 <DiGiTX> lol avatar
18:39 <DiGiTX> XD
18:39 <epsy> hehe
18:39 <DiGiTX> crisp - gajim
18:39 <DiGiTX> jujj
18:39 <DiGiTX> :D
18:39 <DiGiTX> http://www.epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/screenshots/durka.jpeg
18:39 <DiGiTX> sexy
18:40 <epsy> :P
18:40 <DiGiTX> http://www.epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/screenshots/digitx.jpeg
18:40 <DiGiTX> jep .. im roach
18:40 <MrBougo> eps, what's that quad-armagetron icon on your dock?
18:40 <DiGiTX> old nickname: Roach xD
18:40 <DiGiTX> cSoT4NY
18:40 <epsy> MrBougo, i use two different config of arma
18:40 <MrBougo> oh ok
18:40 <DiGiTX> bugi
18:40 <DiGiTX> :D
18:40 <epsy> one for team play, the other one for the rest
18:41 <MrBougo> oh
18:41 <epsy> need at least 50 IC xD
18:41 <MrBougo> IC?
18:41 <epsy> instant chats
18:42 <MrBougo> oh yea right xD
18:42 <epsy> ;)
18:42 <MrBougo> 50 wtf
18:42 <MrBougo> xD
18:42 <DiGiTX> bugi wtf
18:42 <MrBougo> HEYYYYY
18:42 <epsy> heh
18:42 <epsy> happy tron birthday too yoouuu
18:42 <MrBougo> yeee!
18:42 <DiGiTX> xDD
18:43 <DiGiTX> heppi trooon borszdej tuuuu juuuuuuuuuuu
18:43 <MrBougo> :D
18:43  * epsy imagines how this could be sing-ed
18:43 <epsy> uzzah
18:43 <DiGiTX> uzi
18:43 <MrBougo> dont you mean sung?
18:43 <MrBougo> sing sang sung
18:43 <DiGiTX> http://www.epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/screenshots/2007-01-30-180334.png
18:43 <DiGiTX> digitxserv
18:43 <DiGiTX> again
18:43 <DiGiTX> LOL XD
18:43 <epsy> sung, yeah
18:43 <MrBougo> whats your distro eps?
18:43 <epsy> gentoo
18:44 <MrBougo> it looks good :p
18:44 <MrBougo> what's the GUI?
18:44 <epsy> nah
18:44 <DiGiTX> no gentoo.. uhu
18:44 <epsy> gentoo is about choice
18:44 <DiGiTX> LOL
18:44 <epsy> MrBougo, enlightenment dr17
18:44 <DiGiTX> jeah
18:44 <DiGiTX> bugi . u use linux ?
18:44 <DiGiTX> D
18:44 <DiGiTX> dist?
18:44 <MrBougo> nah
18:44 <MrBougo> windows xp
18:45 <DiGiTX> jah
18:45 <DiGiTX> sry :D
18:45 <MrBougo> *shame*
18:45 <DiGiTX> *screenshot*
18:45 <MrBougo> ?
18:45 <luke-jr_> OS: GNU/Linux 2.6.20-gentoo/x86_64 - CPU: 1 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ (2202.875 MHz) - Processes: 310 - Uptime: 11d 18h 49m - Users: 4 - Load Average: 4.28 - Memory Usage: 4985MB/2012MB (247%)
18:45 <MrBougo> Memory Usage: 4985MB/2012MB (247%)
18:45 <epsy> luke-jr_, output from what ?
18:46 <epsy> lol
18:46 <MrBougo> 247%?
18:46 <epsy> XD
18:46 <MrBougo> nice xD
18:46 <MrBougo> i guess theres a problem with the wap
18:46 <MrBougo> swap
18:46 <epsy> i think it uses swap file
18:46 <MrBougo> grillé
18:46 <epsy> hehe
18:46 <MrBougo> i dunno how to say that in english
18:46 <epsy> me neither lol
18:46 <MrBougo> grill'd!
18:46 <MrBougo> me either you mean
18:47 <epsy> #t grillé in english
18:47 <armabot> epsy: Error: "'grill\\xc3\\xa9'" is not a valid language.  Valid languages include Chinese_simple, Chinese_traditional, Dutch, English, French, German, Greek, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Portuguese, Russian, and Spanish
18:47 <epsy> XD
18:47 <MrBougo> rofl
18:47 <MrBougo> 'grill\\xc3\\xa9'" is not a valid language
18:47 <epsy> #t french to english grillé
18:47 <armabot> epsy: grillé
18:47 <MrBougo> encoding problems
18:47 <epsy> #eliza stfu
18:47 <armabot> epsy: Can you elaborate on that?
18:47 <epsy> #eliza no
18:47 <MrBougo> #t french to english grillé
18:47 <armabot> epsy: Why not?
18:47 <armabot> MrBougo: roasted
18:47 <MrBougo> rofl
18:47 <MrBougo> roasted
18:47 <epsy> XD
18:47 <MrBougo> i roasted you
18:48 <epsy> lol
18:48 <MrBougo> ex! i gtg!
18:48 <MrBougo> ew*
18:48 <epsy> salut
18:48 <MrBougo> byebye
18:48 <DiGiTX> cu
18:48 <DiGiTX> salut
18:48 <DiGiTX> D
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18:48 <epsy> lol
18:48 <epsy> 3. Playing tips
18:48 <epsy> 3.1. You are not superman (unless you cheat :P)
18:48 <epsy> lol
18:48 <DiGiTX> D
18:48 <DiGiTX> im batman
18:49 <DiGiTX> u robin wheh
18:49 <epsy> so you're not superman
18:49 <DiGiTX> http://digitx.homelinux.org/@digitx/Logs/IRC/LooL.txt
18:50 <epsy> http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/irc_stupid_logs/-.-
18:50 <DiGiTX> http://digitx.homelinux.org/@digitx/Screenshot/Enlightenment~26.png
18:51 <epsy> lol it really looks like fake tranparency xD
18:51 <DiGiTX> xD
18:51 <DiGiTX> u screenshot
18:55  * luke-jr_ eats memory
18:55 <DiGiTX> xD
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20:00 <ghableska> #weather 50266
20:00 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 18.7°F (1:01 PM CST on March 03, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 5.0°F. Windchill: 8.6°F. Pressure: 29.07 in 984.3 hPa.  Blowing Snow Advisory in effect until 4 PM CST this afternoon... 
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20:00 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
20:02 <wrtlprnft> hi
20:02 <madmax|pt> Hello
20:03 <Vanhayes> Hio
20:04 <Vanhayes> madmax|pt: do you know how often the sumo ladder is updated?
20:07 <madmax|pt> nope
20:08 <madmax|pt> wrtlprnft: are you playing for TM ?
20:09 <Vanhayes> oh ya, the ladle is tommorow
20:09 <wrtlprnft> well
20:09 <wrtlprnft> i've got to admin my server
20:10 <wrtlprnft> and I won't play and admin again
20:10 <madmax|pt> i see
20:10 <wrtlprnft> if someone else wants to take over I'll give them a temporary password
20:10 <Vanhayes> #m Durka looks like I can play sunday, so just tell me where to go and when, and i should be there.
20:11 <armabot> Vanhayes: The operation succeeded.
20:11 <Vanhayes> who all is on team ?? this time?
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20:12 <MrBougo> yello
20:12 <wrtlprnft> stop making ads for a power company! :D
20:13 <MrBougo> wtf?
20:13 <MrBougo> is it a power company?
20:13 <MrBougo> and am i suposed to know every trademark in the world?
20:13 <wrtlprnft> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yello_Strom
20:13 <wrtlprnft> note the “:D”
20:14 <MrBougo> note the “:D”
20:14 <MrBougo> i dont get it
20:14 <madmax|pt> something something Vanhayes ?
20:14 <MrBougo> some encoding problem :p
20:14 <wrtlprnft> get an utf-8 capable client
20:14 <MrBougo> ew, mine is unicode
20:14 <MrBougo> and lets try something
20:14 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/mutf8irc.png
20:15 <MrBougo> do #echo <your utf text>
20:15 <MrBougo> and tell me if it shows right
20:15 <wrtlprnft> #echo “:D”
20:15 <armabot> “:D”
20:15 <wrtlprnft> it does
20:15 <wrtlprnft> note that your copy&pasted text turned up OK as well
20:15 <MrBougo> yep i see
20:15 <MrBougo> ima screen
20:15 <MrBougo> oh
20:15 <MrBougo> the problem comes from the quotes
20:16 <wrtlprnft> they're the thing that's UTF-8
20:16 <Vanhayes> #ping
20:16 <armabot> pong
20:16 <MrBougo> #poing
20:16 <armabot> piong
20:16 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft: did cafe just crash?
20:16 <wrtlprnft> ?!
20:16 <MrBougo> #serverinfo café
20:16 <armabot> MrBougo: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “caf�” at the moment, sorry.
20:16 <MrBougo> blah
20:16 <Vanhayes> madmax|pt: ya something something
20:16 <Vanhayes> #serverinfo cafe
20:16 <armabot> Vanhayes: Fortress Café: Players (10/32): Bishop, Canada <3, free kill, G5, Got Lag?©, Kamakazi, newbÎd, pavelo, Pez, ~*SP*~Sasha
20:16 <Vanhayes> hmm
20:17 <MrBougo> i have Miranda IM Unicode
20:17 <wrtlprnft> [0] Timestamp: 2007/03/03 20:23:54
20:17 <wrtlprnft> [0] Creating grid...
20:17 <madmax|pt> newbÍe, Pez, MaZuffeR, pavelo, Lackadaisical
20:17 <wrtlprnft> people are playing on it
20:17 <MrBougo> there's a Miranda IM ANSI
20:17 <Vanhayes> everyone just stoped moving and I couldnt talk
20:17 <wrtlprnft> maybe you timed out?
20:17 <Vanhayes> thouight my connection dropped so I quit
20:18 <Vanhayes> but if that happened I would have got disconnected here
20:18 <Vanhayes> oh well
20:18 <wrtlprnft> noone else seems to have timed out
20:19 <MrBougo> hey wrtlprnft, i installed the Unicode client, everything should be right
20:19 <MrBougo> i dont get it
20:19 <wrtlprnft> öäü ← test
20:20 <MrBougo> crazy stuff
20:20 <wrtlprnft> did you _enable_ utf-8?
20:20 <MrBougo> err well, im checking the options
20:21 <MrBougo> there isnt any encoding option...
20:21 <MrBougo> ima ask on the miranda channel
20:22 <MrBougo> do you see glitchy text there => é
20:23 <wrtlprnft> no
20:24 <wrtlprnft> i see an e w/ an accent agu
20:24 <MrBougo> ok
20:24 <MrBougo> #echo é
20:24 <armabot> é
20:24 <MrBougo> that's strange
20:25 <MrBougo> when armabot said "fortress café", i saw "fortress cafà ©" without the space
20:26 <MrBougo> a capital A with a tilde then a copyright sign (if you dont see them)
20:26 <wrtlprnft> i see them
20:26 <wrtlprnft> that's because armabot is sending it in utf-8
20:26 <MrBougo> probly
20:27 <MrBougo> but what encoding do i use then o.O
20:27 <wrtlprnft> latin-1
20:27 <epsy> lag-o-meter 11.5 seconds Oo
20:32 <MrBougo> wrtl, maybe doesnt the serv support utf?
20:35 <MrBougo> it seems miranda doesnt support utf-8 very well with irc
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20:57 <wrtlprnft> MrBougo: umm, other people can see my chars :P
20:57 <MrBougo> ew
20:58 <MrBougo> i dont get it, Miranda Unicode should support UTF-8, right, and not encode in ISO-8859-1 aka Latin-1
20:58 <DiGiTX> hey bugi
20:58 <Vanhayes> #serverinfo arena
20:58 <MrBougo> hey digi
20:58 <armabot> Vanhayes: °¯ps Arena  ~~~ Team Sumo ~~~: Players (11/12): (*L2K*)Ph4nt0m, -+$P+-<y<lo, CT|orly?, CT~Voodoo, CT¦Unreal, jonathan, Spooky, ¦×¥ $µazero, ¦×¥ FoFo, ©­$P         T<, °¯SageLord
20:58 <DiGiTX> digi ?
20:58 <DiGiTX> uknow?
20:58 <DiGiTX> huh
20:58 <MrBougo> ???
20:59 <DiGiTX> ct unreal :)
20:59 <DiGiTX> alex D
21:02 <MrBougo> wrtlprnft : what do you see there: ?
21:02 <MrBougo> ew
21:02 <madmax|pt> x_X
21:02 <MrBougo> i see a question mark, it's supposed to be an arabic character
21:03  * madmax|pt sees it too
21:03 <MrBougo> and there ?
21:03 <MrBougo> question mark again
21:04 <MrBougo> wrtlprnft : does this channel only support UTF-8?
21:04 <MrBougo> madmax|pt: , can you help me? :p
21:04 <madmax|pt> never used Miranda
21:04 <MrBougo> just send an unicode character
21:04 <madmax|pt> this? ∂ 
21:05 <MrBougo> what is it supposed to be?
21:05 <madmax|pt> some kind of a
21:05 <MrBougo> â
21:05 <madmax|pt> not quite
21:05 <MrBougo> with an "hat" accent
21:05 <MrBougo> a*
21:05 <MrBougo> what then?
21:06 <madmax|pt> my recode_out_default_charset is in Latin-1 though
21:06 <madmax|pt> I don't think i can be trusted
21:06 <madmax|pt> :P
21:06 <MrBougo> oh
21:06 <madmax|pt> although I see UTF-8 chars
21:06 <MrBougo> wrtlprnft : did you see madmax|pt's character?
21:07 <[dlh]> I see it…
21:07 <MrBougo> what is it supposed to be?
21:07 <MrBougo> [dlh]: "I see itâ € |"
21:07 <MrBougo> jeeze i hate encoding problems
21:08 <madmax|pt> TM ® © ?
21:08 <MrBougo> i see the r and c circled
21:08 <MrBougo> and "TM"
21:08 <MrBougo> not the special character but TM
21:09 <madmax|pt> yeah, it seems it translated the real tm sign to 'TM'
21:09 <MrBougo> lol
21:09 <[dlh]> ™
21:10 <MrBougo> â „ ¢
21:10 <MrBougo> without the spaces
21:10 <madmax|pt> œ∑æ®™\†ıøπ°åß∂ƒ˙ˇ¯„‘¸˜‹›Ω√∫µ“…—
21:11 <MrBougo> err ima screenshot
21:11 <[dlh]> [3:15pm] MrBougo: â „ ¢ (incompatible encoding) -> hmm...
21:11 <MrBougo> ew
21:12 <MrBougo> is imageshack ok?
21:12 <MrBougo> lets say it is :p
21:12 <MrBougo> http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/7449/unicodejr8.png
21:12 <[dlh]> Just do a ⇪⌘3 or ⇪⌘4 or ⇪⌘4 + ␣
21:12 <MrBougo> wtf
21:13 <MrBougo> i get glicthy stuff dlh
21:13 <MrBougo> watch the screenshot :p
21:13 <epsy> [dlh], evryone's not using mac xD
21:13 <MrBougo> wtf i dont get it
21:13 <madmax|pt> its macintosh symbols
21:14 <MrBougo> oh
21:14 <MrBougo> brb
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21:14 <[dlh]> the space symbol is lame.
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21:14 <MrBougo> back
21:15 <madmax|pt> [dlh]: was that supposed to be shift+command+3,4... ?
21:17 <[dlh]> here's what you're missing MrBougo -> http://generalconsumption.org/tmp/irc.png
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21:18 <madmax|pt> what client is that? :x
21:18 <[dlh]> madmax|pt: yes
21:19 <MrBougo> ew
21:19 <MrBougo> what client is that?
21:19 <MrBougo> yes
21:20 <[dlh]> madmax|pt: colloquy nightly — I had to tweak the theme a little to get rid of the huge colloquy logo that is usually in the bottom right corner.
21:21 <MrBougo> xD
21:21 <[dlh]> you may also be interested in this → http://macromates.com/blog/archives/2006/07/10/multi-stroke-key-bindings/
21:22 <[dlh]> I mostly use the cool arrows →←↑↓
21:22 <MrBougo> i cant get utf characters T_T
21:23 <[dlh]> unfortunately Terminal.app doesn't respect KeyBindings.dict :(
21:24 <[dlh]> but… Terminal.app does use the character palette → ⌥⌘T
21:25 <MrBougo> stop this!
21:25 <MrBougo> xD
21:26 <[dlh]> ⎋'s MrBougo from the room
21:26 <madmax|pt> hmm I see. But you have to add KeyBinding.dict right? Its not built-in...
21:26 <[dlh]> Yeah, you must create the file.
21:27 <MrBougo> [dlh] : i hate you xD
21:27 <madmax|pt> Its nice :) thanks
21:28 <[dlh]> oops, ⇧ is shift, I used caps lock (⇪) earlier.
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21:29 <MrBougo> blah
21:29 <MrBougo> i thought Miranda was the perfect irc client i needed
21:29 <MrBougo> it isnt...
21:29 <[dlh]> and I meant to say “⏏'s MrBougo from the room”… doh
21:29 <MrBougo> I HATE YAAH :D
21:29 <MrBougo> >:DD
21:30 <[dlh]> <(≥≤)>
21:30 <MrBougo> MEH
21:30 <MrBougo> T_T
21:31 <madmax|pt> ...dinner.
21:31 <MrBougo> enjoy it
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21:36 <MrBougo> bye all
21:37 <MrBougo> good night
21:37 <MrBougo> #night
21:37 <armabot> Good night MrBougo!
21:37 <DiGiTX> cu
21:37 <DiGiTX> #night
21:37 <MrBougo> thank you!
21:37 <armabot> Good night DiGiTX!
21:37 <MrBougo> lol
21:37 <DiGiTX> XD
21:37 <DiGiTX> ;)
21:37 <MrBougo> #echo [help echo]
21:37 <DiGiTX> #night gubi bugi
21:37 <armabot> (echo <text>) -- Returns the arguments given it. Uses our standard substitute on the string(s) given to it; MrBougo (or MrBougo), armabot, 286, armabot, #armagetron, n=MrBougo, ip-62-235-196-122.dsl.scarlet.be, 03 Mar 2007, Sat Mar  3 21:52:46 2007, and Wed Sep 11 04:45:12 2002 are all handled appropriately.
21:37 <armabot> Good night DiGiTX!
21:37 <MrBougo> xD
21:37 <DiGiTX> #echo good night gubi bugi
21:37 <armabot> good night gubi bugi
21:37 <MrBougo> ty armabot
21:37 <DiGiTX> XD
21:37 <DiGiTX> eliza
21:37 <DiGiTX> my gf
21:37 <DiGiTX> :D
21:38 <MrBougo> #eightball good night
21:38 <armabot> MrBougo: In your dreams.
21:38 <MrBougo> xD
21:38 <MrBougo> #eightball good night?
21:38 <armabot> MrBougo: You know the answer better than I.
21:38 <MrBougo> #eightball good night?
21:38 <armabot> MrBougo: Maybe...
21:38 <MrBougo> #eightball good night?
21:38 <armabot> MrBougo: Come again?
21:38 <MrBougo> #eightball good night?
21:38 <armabot> MrBougo: No clue.
21:38 <DiGiTX> xD
21:38 <MrBougo> #eliza Good night
21:38 <armabot> MrBougo: Why do you say good night?
21:38 <MrBougo> #eliza Wtf xD
21:38 <armabot> MrBougo: Why do you say wtf xd?
21:38 <DiGiTX> D
21:38 <DiGiTX> lol
21:38 <MrBougo> #eliza Why do you say wtf xd
21:38 <armabot> MrBougo: Is it because do i say wtf xd that you came to me?
21:39 <DiGiTX> #eliza baby
21:39 <armabot> DiGiTX: Can you elaborate on that?
21:39 <DiGiTX> xD
21:39 <MrBougo> #eliza Is it because do i say wtf xd that you came to me
21:39 <armabot> MrBougo: Is it because do you say wtf xd that that you came to me?
21:39 <MrBougo> #eliza i say wtf xd that you came
21:39 <armabot> MrBougo: Can you elaborate on that?
21:39 <MrBougo> xD
21:39 <MrBougo> #monologue
21:39 <armabot> MrBougo: Your current monologue is at least 4 lines long.
21:39 <MrBougo> #coin
21:39 <armabot> MrBougo: tails
21:39 <DiGiTX> XD
21:39 <DiGiTX> #list
21:39 <armabot> DiGiTX: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
21:39 <DiGiTX> #list Linux 
21:39 <DiGiTX> ?
21:39 <armabot> DiGiTX: kernel
21:40 <DiGiTX> #help kernel
21:40 <armabot> DiGiTX: (kernel takes no arguments) -- Returns information about the current version of the Linux kernel.
21:40 <DiGiTX> ?
21:40 <DiGiTX> vao
21:40 <DiGiTX> :D
21:40 <MrBougo> #echo [coin][coin][coin][coin][coin][coin][coin][coin][weather brussels] [help kernel]
21:40 <armabot> heads heads tails tails tails tails tails heads Temperature: 42.8°F / 6.0°C | Humidity: 74% | Pressure: 29.99in / 1015.5hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h | Updated: 9:43 PM CET; Chance of Rain. High:48 ° F. / 9 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:39 ° F. / 4 ° C.; Partly Cloudy. High:55 ° F. / 13 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:44 ° F. / 7 ° C.; (1 more message)
21:40 <MrBougo> more
21:40 <MrBougo> #more
21:40 <armabot> MrBougo: Chance of Rain. High:53 ° F. / 12 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:42 ° F. / 6 ° C.; (kernel takes no arguments) -- Returns information about the current version of the Linux kernel.
21:40 <MrBougo> xD
21:40 <MrBougo> #echo [night][morning]hello[help]
21:40 <armabot> Good night MrBougo! Good Morning MrBougo Random Fortune: Q: Are we not men? || A: We are Vaxen. hello (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
21:40 <DiGiTX> im no py master
21:40 <MrBougo> me either
21:41 <MrBougo> you can #echo then include commands between brackets
21:41 <MrBougo> err is this a bracket [ ?
21:41 <DiGiTX> wait
21:41 <MrBougo> #list alias
21:41 <armabot> MrBougo: add, armabot, armaconfig, bigbrother, bug, chatlog, check, dance, date, die, die, digg, do, eliza, f, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, ircstats, joke, kill, lastseen, legit, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, onlineplayers, onlineservers, pacman, piong, poing, praise, q, realchatlogs, remove, resources, rou, roulette, roulete, rules, serverdetails, (1 more message)
21:42 <DiGiTX> #roulette
21:42 <armabot> DiGiTX: *click*
21:42 <DiGiTX> #poing
21:42 <DiGiTX> xD
21:42 <armabot> piong
21:42 <DiGiTX> hehe
21:42 <MrBougo> #kill [echo $randomNick]
21:42 <armabot> ghableska will die on Fri Jul  7 06:47:52 1989 due to being stabbed in the eye by z-man-work.
21:42 <MrBougo> #dance
21:42 <armabot> MrBougo does the 'I killed chat' dance.
21:42 <MrBougo> wtf
21:42 <MrBougo> #goodbye
21:42 <armabot> Goodbye MrBougo :(
21:43 <MrBougo> i'm out
21:43 <MrBougo> cya
21:43 <MrBougo> night
21:43 <DiGiTX> #echo Good Night MrBougo!
21:43 <armabot> Good Night MrBougo!
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21:43 <MrBougo> nighty*
21:43 <DiGiTX> XD
21:43 <DiGiTX> lol
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21:45 <wrtlprnft> #later tell *bougo* yeah, I saw the char, and I always see nemo's and luke-jr_'s
21:45 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
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21:57 <Vanhayes> #kill spidey 
21:57 <armabot> spidey will die on Sun Nov 21 10:54:49 1993 due to being stabbed in the eye by mkzelda.
21:58 <madmax|pt> [dlh]: do you know that if I set fileformat=unix in vim it produces the correct line endings for unix? or it "could" produce Mac OS like endings for some odd reason?
22:00 <madmax|pt> hm, nvm I found a nice doc about it ...
22:02 <[dlh]> I don't use vim, so I've no idea. I tend to stay away from CR (Mac OS style) line endings, and just use LF (unix style)
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22:03 <Durka> #hello
22:04 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: Q: What do agnostic, insomniac dyslexics do at night? || A: Stay awake and wonder if there's a dog.
22:08 <ghableska> #weather 50266
22:08 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 19.4°F (3:11 PM CST on March 03, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 5.0°F. Windchill: 8.6°F. Pressure: 29.10 in 985.3 hPa (Rising).  Blowing Snow Advisory in effect until 4 PM CST this afternoon... 
22:09 <Durka> lol
22:09 <Durka> just look outside ghab
22:10 <Durka> dont use the armabot all the time
22:10 <ghableska> :p
22:10 <ghableska> obviously, looking outside isn't accurate
22:11 <madmax|pt> lunar eclipse today 
22:11 <Vanhayes> #weather saint john
22:11 <Vanhayes> today is?
22:11 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 37°F / 3°C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 29.61in / 1003hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 17mph / 28km/h | Updated: 5:00 PM AST; Tonight - Increasing cloudiness. A few rain showers or flurries beginning near midnight and ending overnight with the risk of freezing drizzle. Fog patches overnight. Wind southwest 30 km/h becoming light this evening. (1 more message)
22:11 <ghableska> isn't it only visible in Europe/Africa?
22:11 <madmax|pt> hm, probably
22:12 <madmax|pt> http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/LEplot/LEplot2001/LE2007Mar03T.GIF
22:13 <madmax|pt> you should see some of it :P
22:15 <ghableska> :p
22:15 <ghableska> when is it?
22:16 <ghableska> that's "greatest eclipse" right?
22:16 <madmax|pt> "The Moon will be totally immersed in the shadow of the Earth between 22:44 and 23:58 UTC."
22:16 <ghableska> hmm
22:17 <ghableska> #g 22:44 UTC in CST
22:17 <armabot> ghableska: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
22:17 <ghableska> #google timezone coverter
22:17 <armabot> ghableska: Search took 0.33 seconds: Time Zone Converter - The Time Zone - What time is it in ___?: <http://www.timezoneconverter.com/>; Time Zone Converter: <http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc>; 2.0 Site news link0 General news and announcements Moodle &#169 ...: <http://online.anaheim.edu/rss/file.php/1/3/forum/1/rss.xml>; Anaheim-online: Re: Minor Online System Upgrade: (2 more messages)
22:17 <madmax|pt> in 1 hour 23
22:17 <ghableska> ah
22:18 <Durka> #ping
22:18 <armabot> pong
22:18 <ghableska> does the moon rise from the east or the west? :p
22:18 <epsy> #goodbye
22:18 <armabot> Goodbye epsy :(
22:18 <wrtlprnft> the same way the sun does
22:18 <Durka> #ping
22:18 <armabot> pong
22:18 <Durka> ok good
22:20 -!- epsy [n=epsy@mar75-4-82-227-65-72.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["END OF LINE"]
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22:20 <wrtlprnft> wb?
22:20 <epsy> Durka, 
22:20 <epsy> #lastseen durka
22:20 <armabot> epsy: Durka The Turka has last been seen on Stormcrow's Tower 0 days 1 hours 14 minutes ago.
22:20 <Durka> ?
22:20 <epsy> ^^
22:20 <ghableska> #time
22:20 <armabot> ghableska: 10:36 PM, March 03, 2007
22:20 <Durka> i was just in °°ps sumo
22:20 <wrtlprnft> that time is GMT+1, ghableska 
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22:21 <epsy> Durka, you're messng up armabot 
22:21 <Durka> #lastseen got_lag?c
22:21 <ghableska> DrJoeTron: the zombie mod is fun! :D
22:21 <madmax|pt> #lastseen GotGap?
22:21 <DrJoeTron> haha 
22:21 <DrJoeTron> sure is
22:22 <epsy> lol
22:22 <Durka> its all about Got Lag?©©
22:22 <epsy> zombies in rubber ?
22:22 <Durka> oops just one ©
22:22 <armabot> Durka: timed out
22:22 <Durka> -.-
22:22 <Durka> #lastseen lag?
22:22 <DrJoeTron> they're so funny when they move around
22:22 <epsy> ~lastseen kå
22:22 <epsy> #lastseen kå
22:23 <epsy> hmm
22:23 <Durka> #lastseen gay-lin
22:23 <madmax|pt> #lastseen Edge
22:23 <armabot> madmax|pt: timed out
22:23 <armabot> Durka: Got Lag?©	Thund has last been seen on Fortress Café 0 days 1 hours 47 minutes ago.
22:23 <armabot> epsy: Ðúrkå	CT~Voodoo has last been seen on °¯ps Arena  ~~~ Team Sumo ~~~ 5 minutes ago.
22:23 <armabot> Durka: °°Gay-Lin has last been seen on 2020 team challenge 0 days 21 hours 23 minutes ago.
22:23 <armabot> madmax|pt: {DD} EDGE has last been seen on {Delicious Desserts} Team Weekend - Custom Map 56 minutes ago.
22:23 <ghableska> #lastseen 202
22:23 <armabot> ghableska: 2020 has last been seen on °¯ps Arena  ~~~ Team Sumo ~~~ 1 days 22 hours 40 minutes ago.
22:23 <Durka> #lastseen 2o2o
22:23 <madmax|pt> that bunch of lines almosst killed irssi's status bar
22:24 <ghableska> lol
22:24 <DiGiTX> -
22:24 <Durka> im still woz0rd over that netsplit :D
22:24 <Durka> http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/5601/hmmpq0.png
22:24 <armabot> Durka: timed out
22:25 <epsy> #lastseen Ðû
22:25 <armabot> epsy: Ðûqkå has last been seen on °¯ps Arena  ~~~ Team Sumo ~~~ 9 minutes ago.
22:25 <madmax|pt> hm, colloquy seems better than the list time I tried it
22:25 <DrJoeTron> you've never seen that happen?
22:26 <madmax|pt> second time it looks that way. I better take a look
22:27 <Vanhayes> bbiab
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22:27  * epsy is really out now
22:27 <epsy> cya
22:27 <madmax|pt> bye
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22:29 <DiGiTX> http://digitx.homelinux.org/beta/
22:29 <DiGiTX> damn
22:29  * zman would like to point out a nice lunar eclipse is going on
22:30 <MaZuffeR> it's cloudy here :(
22:30  * ghableska stares at sun
22:30 <ghableska> ouch
22:30 <zman> you're not supposed to do that during a *lunar* eclipse :)
22:31 <ghableska> :p
22:31 <ghableska> nothing here yet...
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22:34 <luke-jr_> zman: not till night...
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22:37 <ghableska> wb
22:38 <Vanhayes> ty
22:38 <Vanhayes> #more
22:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: Low zero.; Sunday - A mix of sun and cloud. 30 percent chance of flurries or rain showers in the afternoon. Wind becoming west 30 km/h in the morning. High plus 2. UV index 3 or moderate. Sunday night..cloudy periods. Wind west 20 km/h. Low minus 5.; Monday - Cloudy with 30 percent chance of flurries. High minus 2.;
22:38 <Vanhayes> heh
22:38 <ghableska> :p
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22:42 <zman> darn, thick clouds now.
22:50 <madmax|pt> open here :D
22:51 <wrtlprnft> thin clouds here
22:54 <MaZuffeR> http://mazuffer.com/temp/lunareclipse.jpg yay :)
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22:55 <zman> nice, what's that done with?
22:55 <madmax|pt> i don't have my tripod :(
22:55 <MaZuffeR> canon powershot a520
22:56 <MaZuffeR> no tripod here either, i just took a bunch of pictures so that I got one that was good
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23:01 <Durka> madmax|pt: ping pong!
23:01 <madmax|pt> hm?
23:02  * Durka is scared, but /me will ask
23:02 <Durka> KotG?
23:02 <Durka> wild west though because Bistro is busy
23:02 <madmax|pt> sure
23:03 <madmax|pt> but let me reboot this thing
23:03 <DiGiTX> http://digitx.homelinux.org/beta/
23:03 <DiGiTX> look source
23:03 <DiGiTX> :S
23:03 <Durka> k
23:03 <DiGiTX> :D*
23:03 <Durka> :D
23:03 <madmax|pt> brb
23:03 <DiGiTX> hey durka
23:03 <DiGiTX> how are u ?
23:03 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@unaffiliated/madmaxpt/x-23911] has quit ["Gone."]
23:03 <Durka> good you
23:03 <Durka> like the <!>s in the source
23:04 <Durka> nice design
23:04 <DiGiTX> nice design ? hm XD
23:04 <wrtlprnft> i love the <li>s without a list around them
23:04 <Durka> xD
23:05 <wrtlprnft> and the broken image references
23:05 <wrtlprnft> and the colors that immediately make me switch from author mode to user mode
23:06 <DiGiTX> :D
23:06 <DiGiTX> now shit or what .. ?
23:06 <DiGiTX> D
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23:07 <Durka> hi
23:07 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/nicedesign.png
23:07 <wrtlprnft> user mode FTW!
23:08 <Durka> rofl
23:08 <DiGiTX> LOOL
23:08 <DiGiTX> why shit ?
23:08 <DiGiTX> LOL
23:08  * Durka waits for max (no hurry)
23:09 -!- Durka [n=Durka@cpe-76-167-238-228.socal.res.rr.com] has quit []
23:10 <DiGiTX> wrtl
23:10 <DiGiTX> now shit ?
23:13 <DiGiTX> hm?
23:15 <wrtlprnft> now it's all cloudy :(
23:15 <DiGiTX> ?
23:15 <DiGiTX> wrtlprnft, screenshot
23:16 <DiGiTX> plz
23:16 <wrtlprnft> ?
23:16 <DiGiTX> screenshot .. :)
23:16 <wrtlprnft> how should I take a screenshot of the moon?
23:16 <wrtlprnft> or of the place where the moon should be if it wasn't for the clouds
23:16 <DiGiTX> lol?
23:16 <wrtlprnft> note that linking to http://vim.org/ is pointless
23:17 <wrtlprnft> as the server's DNS/apache settings are messed up so you can only access http://www.vim.org/
23:24 <DiGiTX> hoi
23:24 <DiGiTX> xD
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23:27 <guru3> anyone watching the eclipse?
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> not yet, it's only going to be visible here when the moon rises
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> which is after the sun goes down
23:32 <guru3> ><
23:42  * wrtlprnft is watching clouds now
23:42 <wrtlprnft> highly interesting I have to say
23:42 <madmax|pt> :D
23:43 <luke-jr_> what should I do first
23:43 <luke-jr_> 1) fill out paperwork
23:43 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: declare clouds nonstandard
23:43 <luke-jr_> 2) figure out Arma ranking system
23:43 <luke-jr_> 3) declare clouds nonstandard
23:43 <luke-jr_> 4) work on publishing books
23:43 <luke-jr_> 5) work on Utopios
23:43 <luke-jr_> ?
23:44 <ghableska> paperwork!
23:44 <luke-jr_> I'm thinking #1 or #2
23:44 <luke-jr_> ghableska: votes #1
23:44 <wrtlprnft> 3, 2, everything else
23:44 <wrtlprnft> in that order
23:44 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: votes #2
23:44 <wrtlprnft> unless 4) is a book about arma
23:44 <madmax|pt> what's Utopios?
23:44 <wrtlprnft> gentoo copycat
23:44 <luke-jr_> no, I don't have any books about arma to publish; want to write one?
23:44 <luke-jr_> madmax|pt: http://utopios.org
23:44 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: not copying if it's better
23:45 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: with the advent of portage overlays, the need for Utopios's MMD system is becoming more and more apparently
23:45 <luke-jr_> apparent*
23:46 <wrtlprnft> w/e MMD is
23:46  * luke-jr_ leans on #1, as there's 2-4 week processing
23:46 <MaZuffeR> http://mazuffer.com/temp/lunareclipse2.jpg
23:46 <luke-jr_> meta-meta-data
23:46 <MaZuffeR> my hands are frozen now :/
23:47 <wrtlprnft> > Currently, we hope to have the initial release of Utopios ready for sometime during summer 2006.
23:47 <luke-jr_> :)
23:47 <luke-jr_> that was if I had lots of free time :p
23:47 <[dlh]> 6) invent time travel to meet Utopios proposed release dates
23:47 <wrtlprnft> MaZuffeR: don't make me jealous
23:47 <luke-jr_> 7) find someone who can make a better website and maintain it
23:48 <wrtlprnft> note that digitx' and luke-jr_'s desgns have something in common
23:48 <luke-jr_> ?
23:50 <wrtlprnft> similar colors
23:50 <luke-jr_> I like those colours
23:50 <luke-jr_> why do you misspell colour?
23:50 <wrtlprnft> i thought YOU were american
23:50 <[dlh]> both are acceptable spellings
23:50 <luke-jr_> but I speak English! :P
23:51  * wrtlprnft prefers the spelling with less chars
23:51 <wrtlprnft> *fewer
23:52 <wrtlprnft> http://utopios.org/dev/projects/kde/menu/images/
23:52 <wrtlprnft> why do the option* screenshots remind me of XP?
23:53 <luke-jr_> which option?
23:53 <luke-jr_> oh
23:53 <luke-jr_> because XP did something right?
23:54 <wrtlprnft> it's just very innovative is all

Log from 2007-03-04:
--- Day changed Sun Mar 04 2007
00:03 <madmax|pt> Vanhayes: did you mentioned that "getting the slot" issue in here?
00:09 <madmax|pt> the thing is, in Café there's 32 slots, but only 9vs9 players are allowed. Shouldnt the first one to get there get the first slot available?
00:13 <luke-jr_> what do you think of using Elo's rating system for Arma?
00:13 <wrtlprnft> is it only 9v9?
00:13 <madmax|pt> er, i think x_X
00:14 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i see
00:14 <wrtlprnft> I raised it to 10v10
00:14 <wrtlprnft> madmax|pt: post it on the arma forums… z-man-work is the one who probably knows if it's fixable
00:15 <madmax|pt> ok
00:15 <luke-jr_> hm
00:15 <luke-jr_> according to Elo's scoring...
00:15 <luke-jr_> wizzee and spidey have the lowest ranks on the FA serve
00:15 <luke-jr_> :o
00:16 <madmax|pt> "...calculating the relative skill levels of players in two-player games."
00:17 <luke-jr_> for scoring purposes, Arma is 2 player :p
00:17 <luke-jr_> for each kill, there is a single winner and single loser
00:18 <madmax|pt> good point
00:20  * madmax|pt watches Little Miss Sunshine
00:22 <zman> ahh, nice, it cleared up just in time :)
00:23 <madmax|pt> zman: take a look ↑
00:24 <zman> at maz's second picture? Bah, looks better in reality :)
00:25 <madmax|pt> er, no, this: " in Café there's 32 slots, but only 9vs9 players are allowed. Shouldnt the first one to get there get the first slot available?"
00:25 <wrtlprnft> zman: yeah, here, too
00:26 <wrtlprnft> and I got a photo, too :)
00:28 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/lunareclipse.jpg
00:29 -!- Durka [n=Durka@cpe-76-167-238-228.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron
00:29 <Durka> #hello
00:29 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: Vulcans never bluff. || -- Spock, "The Doomsday Machine", stardate 4202.1
00:30 <zman> wrtlprnft: darn nice.
00:31 <zman> on the slot issue: I think players join randomly, but I'm not sure. If it's fixable, it's already fixed, that issue already came up on bugfarm,
00:31 <wrtlprnft> err, this server is running the latest 0.2.8 branch
00:32 <wrtlprnft> MaZuffeR: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=147791#147791
00:32 <wrtlprnft> post yours :D
00:32 <luke-jr_> anyone have any long term ladderlog.txt?
00:32  * luke-jr_ doesn't have a camera
00:33 <wrtlprnft> 19M enough?
00:33 <luke-jr_> sure
00:33 <wrtlprnft> you already have access to it
00:33 <luke-jr_> ...
00:33 <wrtlprnft> ~armagetronad/cafe/var/ladderlog.txt
00:33 <luke-jr_> where?
00:34 <wrtlprnft> on my server, obviously
00:34 <luke-jr_> dunno it
00:34 <wrtlprnft> x_X
00:34 <wrtlprnft> you ran your 500 or so player server on it
00:34 <luke-jr_> I started it and forgot
00:36 <wrtlprnft> ssh luke-jr@wrtlprnft.servegame.org
00:36 <wrtlprnft> assuming you have your private key
00:36 <luke-jr_> scp wrtlprnft.servegame.org:'~armagetronad/cafe/var/ladderlog.txt' .
00:36 <wrtlprnft> but be nice and use -l
00:36 <luke-jr_> -l?
00:36 <wrtlprnft>      -l limit
00:36 <wrtlprnft>          Limits the used bandwidth, specified in Kbit/s.
00:36 <luke-jr_> o
00:36 <luke-jr_> too late
00:36 <luke-jr_> >_<
00:37 <luke-jr_> it's almost done
00:37 <luke-jr_> armagetron : -227.649468823
00:37 <luke-jr_> |x|_infamous : -224.362585229
00:37 <luke-jr_> |x|skip_<3 : -167.853453172
00:37 <luke-jr_> bottom 3 Elo scores
00:38 <luke-jr_> spoon3d : 15.0909242399
00:38 <luke-jr_> tricksta3 : 16.060936609
00:38 <luke-jr_> snowingcat : 18.8185130016
00:38 <luke-jr_> top 3
00:38 <luke-jr_> mazuffer : -136.399661091
00:38 <luke-jr_> dookatee_|dpg| : -116.433875365 ( mkzelda )
00:38 <luke-jr_> |/|epsy : -115.663698756
00:38 <luke-jr_> lackadaisical : -85.7883454141
00:38 <wrtlprnft> maybe ct's ladderlog would be more helpful
00:39 <Durka> what is this...
00:39 <luke-jr_> madmax : -80.2774655988 ( madmax|pt )
00:39 <wrtlprnft> as it's got a hack so it doesn't log in singleplayer mode
00:39 <luke-jr_> maybe
00:39 <luke-jr_> kk~epsy : -73.203626135
00:39 <luke-jr_> -|ct|-ed- : -71.6983825529
00:39 <madmax|pt> o_O
00:39 <wrtlprnft> but you'll have to ask ed for it, I don't think he'd want me to give it to everyone
00:39 <Durka> ive got 60mb ladderlog if u want :P
00:39 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft_|mbc| : -66.5024131112
00:39 <luke-jr_> Durka: sure
00:39 <Durka> but why do u need it ...
00:39 <Durka> i mean what are u looking for
00:40 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: can you actually tell us what the scores mean?
00:40 <luke-jr_> they're supposed to be a measure of skill
00:40 <luke-jr_> higher is better
00:40 <luke-jr_> ghableska : -35.8974898277
00:40 <Durka> is the bot the best?
00:40 <luke-jr_> worst
00:40 <Durka> lol
00:41 <luke-jr_> emacs : -28.1412881153
00:41 <luke-jr_> O.o
00:41 <luke-jr_> vanhayes : -24.6595275975
00:41 <luke-jr_> durka_123 : -24.0471172842
00:41 <Vanhayes> uh
00:41 <Durka> !
00:41 <Vanhayes> what?
00:41 <luke-jr_> belenus : -17.5184676556
00:41 <wrtlprnft> higher is better?
00:41 <luke-jr_> yep
00:41 <Durka> where are u getting these numbers
00:42 <luke-jr_> flea_|dpg| : -16.3391482473
00:42 <luke-jr_> my script
00:42 <Durka> they arent in my ladderlog -.-
00:42 <wrtlprnft> -227 > -66
00:42 <Durka> no
00:42 <luke-jr_> -227 < -66
00:42 <wrtlprnft> does that mean /me is better than infamous?
00:42 <Durka> -66>-227
00:42 <luke-jr_> hyphy : -15.1296364024
00:42 <Durka> it means infamous is the worst human player
00:42 <Vanhayes> is this for fort cafe?
00:42 <wrtlprnft> yeah
00:42 <Durka> luke wtf kinda script it this
00:43 <Durka> at least make it not negative
00:43 <zman> emacs is a real player, FYI :)
00:43 <luke-jr_> ah
00:43 <luke-jr_> {usa}_legit : -7.58211363338
00:43 <wrtlprnft> fortress servers only know of armagetron and in some cases gltron
00:43 <Vanhayes> im so confused, what does -24.6595275975 mean?
00:43 <luke-jr_> [tm]_legit : -7.53343489452
00:43 <wrtlprnft> as bots
00:43 <luke-jr_> you know, this PROBABLY doesn't work for Fortress :p
00:43 <luke-jr_> or any team game
00:44 <Durka> want my log?
00:44 <luke-jr_> sure
00:44 <Durka> its single player...
00:44 <luke-jr_> luke-jr : 4.93226854922
00:44 <luke-jr_> :D
00:44 <Durka> luke im gonna put it online then take it down after a while
00:44 <Durka> first lemme get the latest one
00:45 <Durka> 62.15 mb o_O
00:46 <wrtlprnft> #echo $randomnick : [math calc abs([echo $randomint])].[math calc abs([echo $randomint])][math calc abs([echo $randomint])]
00:46 <armabot> z-man-work : 186 . 496 831
00:46 <wrtlprnft> #echo $randomnick : [math calc abs([echo $randomint])].[math calc abs([echo $randomint])][math calc abs([echo $randomint])]
00:46 <armabot> j0h4nn3s : 699 . 286 393
00:46 <luke-jr_> haha
00:46 <wrtlprnft> i can do at least as good stats as luke-jr_!
00:46 <wrtlprnft> *my stats are at least as good as
00:46 <madmax|pt> lol
00:46 <luke-jr_> |fa|"spidey" : -27.362501821
00:46 <luke-jr_> spidey : -11.2563947507
00:47 <luke-jr_> spidey_|mbc| : -3.24607469437
00:47 <luke-jr_> z-man : -4.14501125403
00:47 <luke-jr_> z-man_on_vista : 0.886125583278
00:47 <ghableska> wow, wrtlprnft
00:47 <ghableska> nice picture :)
00:47 <luke-jr_> but like I said, these are pretty irrelevant for fortress :p
00:47 <ghableska> it looks like mars
00:47 <zman> woot, I played better on vista than regularly?
00:47  * wrtlprnft cheated and used a tripod
00:47 <Durka> z-man_on_vista
00:47 <luke-jr_> lol
00:47 <luke-jr_> zman: apparently
00:47 <Durka> z-man_on_crack
00:48 <luke-jr_> Durka: same thing
00:48 <Durka> o_O
00:48 <wrtlprnft> but no color modifications, the picture came straight from my camera's SD card
00:48  * zman thinks about reinstalling it
00:48 <luke-jr_> zman: keep in mind you probably didn't play long
00:48 <luke-jr_> so it is less accurate
00:48  * Durka thinks of stealing zman's copy
00:48 <zman> it's only a beta
00:48 <wrtlprnft> the stats should at least include some factor of log(played_rounds)
00:48 <luke-jr_> why?
00:49 <luke-jr_> chess doesn't :p
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00:49 <luke-jr_> (Elo was invented for chess)
00:49 <wrtlprnft> wtf is elo?
00:49 <wrtlprnft> nvm
00:49 <wrtlprnft> wikipedia is faster than you
00:50 <luke-jr_> wikipedia is where I got it :p
00:52  * luke-jr_ offsets the scores by 250
00:53  * luke-jr_ waits for Durka 
00:53 <Durka> o ya sry lol
00:53 <Durka> gotta upload it
00:54 <luke-jr_> Delicious Desserts:
00:54 <luke-jr_> luke-jr : 250.467
00:54 <Durka> lol
00:54 <luke-jr_> {dd}_darkchaos : 212.723
00:55  * luke-jr_ liked it better w/o the offset
00:55  * luke-jr_ undo
00:55 <luke-jr_> excel : 42.993
00:55 <luke-jr_> I hope that's not the bot (top DD score)
00:55 <luke-jr_> DD ranges from -149.35 to +42.993
00:57 <Vanhayes> what is the scoring based on?
00:57 <zman> I think the IPs are also logged in ladderlog.txt, so you can check whether it's the bot or not.
00:58 <zman> It may even be, excel kicks my but every time :)
00:58 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: kills?
00:58 <luke-jr_> it is the bot
00:58 <Vanhayes> lol
00:59  * zman yawns and crawls into bed.
00:59 <Durka> luke this isnt the scorelog
00:59 <Durka> which one did u want -.-
01:02 <Durka> ?
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01:03 <Vanhayes> <Durka> luke this isnt the scorelog
01:03 <Vanhayes> <Durka> which one did u want -.-
01:04 <luke-jr_> ...
01:04 <Durka> <Vanhayes> <Durka> luke this isn't the scorelog
01:04 <Durka> do u want ladderlog or scorelog?
01:04 <luke-jr_> ...
01:05 <luke-jr_> ladderlog
01:05 <Durka> k
01:05 <Durka> it doesnt record kills does it?
01:05 <Durka> iunno w/e
01:05 <Durka> i just use it for ips :D
01:05 <luke-jr_> yes
01:08 <Durka> heh look what epsy did
01:08 <Durka> heres my lame sig i made
01:08 <Durka> http://durka.freehostia.com/images/sig/durka.gif
01:08 <Durka> then epsy made it with me inside the tron cycle
01:08 <Durka> http://durka.freehostia.com/files/durka_162.jpeg
01:08 <Durka> xD
01:09 <Durka> but then here's the final one :P
01:09 <Durka> http://durka.freehostia.com/files/smalldurka_166.gif
01:12 <Durka> almost done uploading luke-jr_ 
01:16 <wrtlprnft> why do you upload something just for luke-jr_ to download it again once?
01:17 -!- zman [n=manuel@p508725E8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)]
01:17 <wrtlprnft> on your image the front wheel should turn quite a bit faster than the rear one
01:22  * luke-jr_ pokes Durka 
01:22 <Durka> oops
01:22 <Durka> quit the wrong program xD
01:23 <Durka> i didnt make it wrtlprnft 
01:23 <luke-jr_> not to mention it's goin slow
01:25 <wrtlprnft> not to mention that more than 200 KiB is a bit huge for a signature image
01:25 <wrtlprnft> and not to mention that 266 px is a bit huge as well
01:25 <wrtlprnft> height, that is
01:26 <luke-jr_> omg
01:26 <luke-jr_> TuI is a clan
01:26 <wrtlprnft> o rly?
01:27 <luke-jr_> http://tui.freehostia.com/viewtopic.php?t=4
01:27 <luke-jr_> "we fit the exact description for a clan, but we're not, honest!'
01:27 <ghableska> suuuree
01:27 <Durka> luke
01:27 <Durka> we just had a 30 post topic on that
01:27 <Durka> i erased them all
01:27 <Durka> that about us is wrong
01:28 <Vanhayes> its sort of like AW was
01:28 <Durka> i never got around to deleting it
01:28 <Durka> ya
01:28 <Durka> we're like aw ss ws etc
01:28 <luke-jr_> if there is a member list, it's a clan
01:28  * wrtlprnft loves thease huge ugly smileys
01:29 <Durka> ...
01:29 <wrtlprnft> with 1-bit transparency showing all the way on a dark background
01:30 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/nicedesign1.png
01:30 <wrtlprnft> that's a saddie!
01:31 <Durka> is that my smilie?
01:31 <luke-jr_> should I use a % for score?
01:31 <wrtlprnft> you used it
01:31 <wrtlprnft> gah
01:31 <luke-jr_> like 0% = lowest scoring player
01:31 <luke-jr_> and 100% = highest
01:31 <wrtlprnft> percentages suck
01:31 <luke-jr_> ...
01:31 <wrtlprnft> use [0;1]
01:31 <luke-jr_> wtf is that
01:31 <wrtlprnft> an interval?
01:31 <luke-jr_> ...
01:32 <luke-jr_> 0.01 is uglier than 1%
01:32 <wrtlprnft> the set of all real numbers greater or equal than 0 and smaller or equal than 1
01:32 <wrtlprnft> .1 is more beautiful than 10 * 100^(-1)
01:33 <luke-jr_> yay
01:33 <luke-jr_> durka learns to scp
01:33 <wrtlprnft> what about an integer in [00;FF]?
01:33 <Durka> ftw!
01:33 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: ok
01:36 <wrtlprnft> #night
01:36 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
01:37 <luke-jr_> Durka: what's the log for
01:37 <Durka> #serverinfo D u r
01:37 <armabot> Durka: ¬| D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d  | ¬: Players (11/16): $oUr lEmOn, $up3r T0mato3s!, (mvp)_DUKE, CT|Genki, Dal, FLASH, Grguitarfreek, jfacas_Portugal, KiX, Rikuno, THump
01:37 <Durka> luke-jr_:  ^^^
01:38 <Durka> but the first 1/6 or so was when it was 4 team fortress
01:38 <Durka> thats why some fort ppl are still high on the won rounds and matches
01:38 <Durka> http://durka.freehostia.com/stats.php
01:39 <Durka> infamous is #12 on won matches still lol
01:39 <luke-jr_> it's taking a long time to process x.x
01:39 <luke-jr_> there
01:40 <luke-jr_> xstatic : -208.503 / 0x0 / 0%
01:40 <luke-jr_> that's the lowest score :p
01:40 <Durka> go to the highest!
01:40 <luke-jr_> su_nena_plaboy : 66.5213 / 0xff / 100%
01:40 <Durka> whats the 0xblah
01:41 <luke-jr_> same as 100%, but from 00 to ff
01:41 <luke-jr_> dax : -40.9959 / 0x9b / 60.91%
01:41 <Durka> lol
01:41 <Durka> dax is #1 on ladder
01:41 <luke-jr_> coffee : -138.2333 / 0x41 / 25.55%
01:41 <luke-jr_> yeah
01:41 <Durka> #2
01:41 <luke-jr_> they must pick on n00bs
01:41 <luke-jr_> static : -67.0473 / 0x83 / 51.43%
01:41 <Durka> dax = {wt}custang = bana
01:41 <Durka> = n00b
01:42 <luke-jr_> {wpn}.durka : -34.7735 / 0xa1 / 63.17%
01:42 <luke-jr_> !lol!.durka : -32.6181 / 0xa3 / 63.95%
01:42 <luke-jr_> omgdurka : -30.6753 / 0xa4 / 64.66%
01:42 <Durka> wtf!
01:42 <luke-jr_> durka : -5.9862 / 0xbb / 73.64%
01:42 <Durka> i meant ftw
01:42 <luke-jr_> durka-brb : -2.1832 / 0xbf / 75.02%
01:42 <luke-jr_> !lol!durka : -1 / 0xc0 / 75.45%
01:42 <Durka> luke: go have a look at the ladder log itself
01:42 <luke-jr_> durka_durka : 0.447 / 0xc1 / 75.98%
01:42 <luke-jr_> durka_admin : 0.4878 / 0xc1 / 75.99%
01:42 <Durka> count how many aliases i have used
01:42 <luke-jr_> "|_|"durka"|_|" : 0.6715 / 0xc1 / 76.06%
01:42 <Durka> some arent me
01:42 <luke-jr_> son_of_durka : 8.7904 / 0xc9 / 79.01%
01:43 <luke-jr_> that's top durka :p
01:43 <Durka> like durka_admin or durka_durka or son_of_durka
01:43 <luke-jr_> a:_luke-jr_>nc : -3.111 / 0xbe / 74.68%
01:44 <luke-jr_> z-man : -3.7905 / 0xbd / 74.43%
01:44 <luke-jr_> z-man-work : 0.4984 / 0xc1 / 75.99%
01:44 <luke-jr_> dmass : 38.7426 / 0xe5 / 89.9%
01:44 <luke-jr_> su_nena_plaboy : 66.5213 / 0xff / 100%
01:44 <luke-jr_> that's curious
01:45 <luke-jr_> su_nena_plaboy looks pretty good
01:46 <luke-jr_> yojimbo : -96.2036 / 0x68 / 40.83%
01:46 <luke-jr_> nemostultae : -2.1996 / 0xbf / 75.01% ( [dlh] )
01:46 <luke-jr_> ghableska : -6.4475 / 0xbb / 73.47%ghableska : -6.4475 / 0xbb / 73.47%
01:46 <luke-jr_> oops
01:47 <luke-jr_> madmax : -4.3803 / 0xbd / 74.22%
01:47 <madmax|pt> gah
01:47 <luke-jr_> mazuffer : -81.7902 / 0x75 / 46.07%
01:47 <Durka> http://Luke-jr_.justgotowned.com/
01:48 <luke-jr_> dookatee_|dpg| : -39.0535 / 0x9d / 61.61% ( mkzelda )
01:48 <luke-jr_> Unknown host luke-jr_.justgotowned.com
01:48 <luke-jr_> vanhayes : -24.5358 / 0xaa / 66.89%
01:48 <ghableska> Durka: lol
01:48 <luke-jr_> wejp : -2.4395 / 0xbf / 74.93%
01:48 <Vanhayes> I was on durka durka land?
01:48 <luke-jr_> lol
01:48 <Durka> http://ghableska.justgotowned.com/
01:48 <madmax|pt> does all your scripts print the output to irc?
01:49 <Durka> Vanhayes: same server as the old 4 team fortress
01:49 <luke-jr_> madmax|pt: I selectively copy parts
01:49 <Durka> http://ghableska.justgotowned.com/
01:49 <luke-jr_> the full thing is huge
01:49 <Durka> oops
01:49 <madmax|pt> what the hex?
01:49 <madmax|pt> and the %?
01:49 <luke-jr_> a hex-percentage
01:49 <luke-jr_> 0% = low score; 100% = top score
01:52 <Durka> #lastseen meriton
01:52 <Durka> where's he been btw?
01:52 <luke-jr_> sl(meriton) : -77.67 / 0x79 / 47.57%
01:52 <Durka> besides in my logs -.-
01:52 <luke-jr_> :p
01:53 <armabot> Durka: timed out
01:54 <Vanhayes> #seen meriton
01:55 <armabot> Vanhayes: meriton was last seen in #armagetron 19 weeks, 4 days, 5 hours, 59 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <meriton> hi
01:55 <Durka> thats a long time ago
01:56 <Durka> #g 19*7
01:56 <armabot> Durka: 19 * 7 = 133
01:56 <madmax|pt> are those logs from Durka land? or something else?
01:56 <luke-jr_> yes
01:56 <Durka> ya
01:57 <Durka> they include the old 4 team fort server
01:57 <Vanhayes> maybe thats why im on them
02:00 <spidey> luke-jr_, ping
02:00 <spidey> where's egnlish_base.txt on the server?
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02:08 <luke-jr_> spidey: locate it
02:10 <Durka> lol
02:10 <spidey> ...
02:10 <spidey> i'm not logged into a terminal
02:11 <luke-jr_> neither am I
02:11 <luke-jr_> :p
02:12 <spidey> btw
02:12 <spidey> im
02:12 <spidey> now
02:12 <spidey> :|
02:12 <luke-jr_> ...
02:12 <spidey> it's not showing you again :/
02:13 <spidey> #fa
02:13 <spidey> #fallin-angels
02:13 <spidey> or w/e
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02:13 <spidey> luke-jr_, join
02:13 <Lucifer_arma> well, we had clouds screwing up the eclipse
02:13 <Lucifer_arma> and it didn't look any different anyway
02:13 <luke-jr_> hm
02:14 <luke-jr_> is it time to look now?
02:15 <Your_mom_arma> the eclipse was more or less over by the time the moon was visable
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02:16 <Durka> only 5:16 here
02:16 <Durka> #lastseen sebol
02:17 <armabot> Durka: timed out
02:18 <Durka> -.-
02:22 <luke-jr_> so it's over...
02:22 <luke-jr_> ?
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02:25 <Lucifer_arma> so much for "visible all over the earth"
02:25 <Your_mom_arma> haha
02:34 <madmax|pt> #serverdetails bistro
02:35 <armabot> madmax|pt: 1v1 Sumo Bistro: Players (3/4): Ethron, Lackadaisical, ~*SP*~PsYkO
02:39 <Van-hayes> cool i went up a class
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02:40 <Your_mom_arma> huh?
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02:40 <Van-hayes> http://www.kingsofthegrid.net/forum/index.php
02:41 <Van-hayes> hmm, ya that was a little vague
02:41 <Durka> i would be class b i think
02:41 <Durka> but i lost to max -.-
02:41 <Durka> i have 158 and class b starts 165
02:42 <Van-hayes> poor killer rabbit
02:44 <Durka> lol
02:44 <mkzelda> sup
02:44 <Durka> hes ranked below the ppl that havent played
02:44 <mkzelda> so who we playing first tomorrow?
02:44 <Durka> freakz
02:44 <mkzelda> is that t.f.
02:45 <mkzelda> anyone not showing?
02:45 <mkzelda> for us
02:46 <mkzelda> i dont know what I did but SP and NC folk keep kicking me from servers either as soon as I join, or if its a team server, they run into me and say i tk'd them
02:46 <Durka> lol
02:47 <Durka> Wiki says: Team 1 is... The FreakZ (Wayne, Xevi, Sunnygirl, Freako, PTA, Cruz, Slayer, Plage, Slurm)
02:47 <mkzelda> and the 'locals' on ct dont know any better
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02:47 <mkzelda> i only recognize xevi, sunnygril, and cruz
02:47 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@bl4-197-149.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #armagetron
02:47 <mkzelda> oh and slayer
02:47 <Durka> wb
02:47 <mkzelda> first 3 are pretty good
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02:48 <mkzelda> what are the rules these days... 8 the limit, or no?
02:48 <mkzelda> cause thats 9
02:49 <Durka> 8 is the limit
02:49 <Durka> who's Wayne?
02:49 <Durka> and xevi hasnt been on in forever
02:49 <mkzelda> i've seen him this week
02:49 <Durka> #lastseen x3v1
02:50 <armabot> Durka: CT×X3V1 has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 1 days 10 hours 4 minutes ago.
02:50 <mkzelda> ya
02:50 <Durka> nvr mind then xD
02:50 <mkzelda> ive seen cruz def a lot lately
02:50 <mkzelda> and he constantly leaves some easy gaps
02:50 <mkzelda> wonder who def will be
02:51 <Durka> freako said he will
02:51 <Durka> and i love his def
02:51 <Durka> in terms of easiness :D
02:52 <mkzelda> sunnygirl is a decent def
02:52 <luke-jr_> need maths help!
02:52 <luke-jr_> http://math.bu.edu/people/mg/glicko/glicko2.doc/img21.gif
02:52 <luke-jr_> wtf does that mean?
02:53 <Durka> Team 4 is... Team SS (newbÍe, Pez, MaZuffeR, pavelo, Lackadaisical, nemostultae, ...)
02:53 <Durka> scary team ^^^
02:53 <mkzelda> ya
02:54 <Durka> Team 2 is... TuI (Crack, Downstem, Kush, Keta, X, GHß, Ossi, Fcuk, eh?, 2i ... )
02:54 <Durka> scarier ^^^
02:54 <Durka> :p
02:54 <mkzelda> :D
02:54 <Your_mom_arma> never seen anyone besides ossi from team 2
02:55 <ghableska> is fcuk featherfcuk?
02:55 <mkzelda> x sub zero as it approaches the limit of a
02:56 <mkzelda> ghableska: yea
02:58 <mkzelda> so what time tomorrow?
02:59 <mkzelda> im looking at the competition hub
02:59 <mkzelda> cant seem to find the right link on it
02:59 <mkzelda> i see 8th ladle, cant find the 9th
03:00 <Durka> 7:30pm GMT
03:01 <luke-jr_> ugh!
03:01 <luke-jr_> this algo is complex
03:01 <mkzelda> thats diff
03:01 <mkzelda> 2:30 EST then?
03:01 <Durka> ya
03:01 <mkzelda> ok
03:02 <Durka> madmax|pt: who won
03:10 <[dlh]> the ← does not mean limit… that would be lim x -> x0 (with the x -> x0 expression being under the the lim)
03:17 <luke-jr_> what is 'ln'?
03:17 <[dlh]> the natural log.
03:18 <luke-jr_> grr, division by zero
03:19 <luke-jr_> in the part I don't understand :(
03:20 <Durka> ln = log e (e) IIRC
03:20 <Durka> probably wrong though
03:30 <Durka> #luke
03:32 <Durka> #ping
03:32 <armabot> pong
03:32 <madmax|pt> ?
03:32 <madmax|pt> against psyko?
03:34 <[dlh]> if you're interested, the ← in haskell would mean “do { x <- foo; … } == foo >>= \x -> ...”. Probably doesn't help you, though :) Basically, it assigns x the return value from function foo in some monadic operation. The first form is syntactic sugar for the second form.
03:35 <Durka> psyko vs lacks etc
03:36 <madmax|pt> hmm, psyko won, i think
03:37 <madmax|pt> not sure >.<
03:37 <madmax|pt> well, good night
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03:37 <Durka> did u play
03:38 <Durka> nvr mind then lol
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03:48 <luke-jr_> [dlh]: my fonts all lack that char
03:49 <[dlh]> the <-?
03:49 <luke-jr_> that's 2 char
03:49 <spidey> hm
03:49  * luke-jr_ needs help coding this :(
03:49 <luke-jr_> http://math.bu.edu/people/mg/glicko/glicko2.doc/example.html
03:50 <spidey> anyone know why 0.3 rotation uses the last setting file for 2 rounds after it's supposed to go back to the first one?
03:50 <[dlh]> luke-jr_: well, then what character are you talking about?
03:50 <luke-jr_> ←
03:51 <[dlh]> that is the arrow, <-
03:51 <spidey> the arrow?
03:51 <luke-jr_> ...
03:51 <spidey> it's a arrow pointing to the left
03:51 <luke-jr_> o
03:51 <luke-jr_> I'm messing up on the 'g' part
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03:52 <Durka> luke-jr_: ping
03:52 <luke-jr_> ...
03:53 <Durka> i got x11 installed and got civ :D
03:53 <luke-jr_> :o
03:55 <Durka> im a super n00b
03:58 <Your_mom_arma> speaking of civ did you guys finish the game yesterday?
03:58 <luke-jr_> not yet
04:02 <Lucifer_arma> as a approaches x0
04:02 <Van-hayes> Durka: max beat psyko 2-1 in case you were wondering
04:02 <Durka> i know
04:02 <Durka> :P
04:02 <Your_mom_arma> Free civ.® <-test
04:02 <Durka> heh
04:03 <Durka> im gonna start playing
04:03 <Your_mom_arma> was that last character shown?
04:03 <luke-jr_> with who?
04:03 <luke-jr_> yes
04:03 <Durka> lol
04:03 <luke-jr_> it was a 't'
04:03 <Durka> idk
04:03 <Van-hayes> ® that one?
04:03 <Durka> ill play with you luke
04:03 <Durka> :i
04:03 <Durka> :o *
04:03 <Your_mom_arma> van saw it, luke didnt
04:03 <Van-hayes> no, he meant the t at the end of test
04:03 <Your_mom_arma> or luke was being a smart ass
04:03 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
04:03 <Van-hayes> heh
04:03 <luke-jr_> the latter
04:03 <luke-jr_> :)
04:04  * luke-jr_ just ate a roll of butterscotch candies
04:05 <Van-hayes> #last with hachi.
04:05 <armabot> Van-hayes: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must (1 more message)
04:05 <Van-hayes> #last --with hachi.
04:05 <armabot> Van-hayes: [04:16:38] <Van-hayes> #last with hachi.
04:05 <Van-hayes> #last --with hachi. --nolimit
04:05 <Your_mom_arma> hachi.dashjr.org
04:05 <Van-hayes> thanks
04:06 <luke-jr_> Van-hayes: you weren't playing...
04:06 <luke-jr_> Durka: you got 2.1, right?
04:06 <Van-hayes> oh, its not a new game?
04:06 <armabot> Van-hayes: [04:16:43] <Van-hayes> #last --with hachi., [04:16:38] <Van-hayes> #last with hachi., and [06:39:32] <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: hachi.dashjr.org 5556
04:06 <luke-jr_> Van-hayes: shrug, up to spidey, Lucifer_arma and Your_mom_arma 
04:06 <luke-jr_> I don't mind
04:06 <Durka> oops
04:06 <Durka> didnt get the beat
04:06 <Durka> beta*
04:06 <Durka> meh brb then
04:06 <Your_mom_arma> my Free civ.® was all but lost so i vote for a new game
04:07 <Your_mom_arma> hmm i guess i do need c i v to show up
04:07 <Van-hayes> huh?
04:08 <Your_mom_arma> i had 3 cities left(was being invaded and was about to lose in 2 or so turns)
04:08 <Van-hayes> how many ai?
04:09 <Your_mom_arma> 2 ais
04:09 <Van-hayes> wow, that seems low
04:09 <Your_mom_arma> i didnt have an army because ben(who was the buffer between me and the ai) left
04:09 <Your_mom_arma> and i had assumed i wouldnt need one
04:10 <Your_mom_arma> well, 2 ais attacking me there was more then that in the game
04:10 <Van-hayes> oh ok
04:10 -!- Van-hayes is now known as Vanhayes
04:11 <Vanhayes> hmm, if we do play a new game I might try the SDL client
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04:22 <luke-jr_> ...
04:22 <luke-jr_> spidey: Lucifer_arma 
04:26 <spidey> ?
04:29 <ghableska> #weather 50266
04:29 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 11.8°F (9:26 PM CST on March 03, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 1.4°F. Windchill: 3.2°F. Pressure: 29.21 in 989.1 hPa (Rising). 
04:30 <Vanhayes> #weather saint john
04:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 36°F / 2°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.44in / 997hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 11:00 PM AST; Tonight - Increasing cloudiness. A few rain showers or flurries beginning near midnight and ending overnight with the risk of freezing drizzle. Fog patches overnight. Wind southwest 30 km/h becoming light this evening. (1 more message)
04:33 <luke-jr_> spidey: Your_mom_arma, Vanhayes, and Durka want to start a new game
04:34 <Vanhayes> Durka left a while ago
04:35 <spidey> no
04:35 <spidey> i don't want to start another one so we can quit at 1am
04:35 <spidey> and do it again
04:35 <spidey> and again
04:35 <spidey> i want to finish a game :|
04:35 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes and Durka could take AIs, except Vanhayes already cheated
04:36 <spidey> ?
04:36 <Vanhayes> im observing
04:36 <luke-jr_> he /obs everything
04:36 <Vanhayes> i guess thats cheating
04:36 <mkzelda> hax
04:36 <mkzelda> like lagit
04:37 <luke-jr_> wtf?
04:47 <luke-jr_> yay
04:47 <luke-jr_> I think I have Glicko-2 implemented
04:47 <Vanhayes> what the hell is glicko
04:47 <luke-jr_> lool
04:48 <Vanhayes> nvrm
04:48 <Vanhayes> wiki proves to be faster than luke again
05:07 <luke-jr_> http://xkcd.com/c171.html
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> http://info.riaalawsuits.us/umg_lindor_070223JacobsonDepositionTranscript.txt
05:11 <Lucifer_arma> not that emo comic again
05:22 <ghableska> ?
05:33 <ghableska> http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/03/03/237211&from=rss <-- ah
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05:40 <Lucifer_arma> I'm about 2/3 through it, and it's a wonderful read
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> this is better than Perry Mason :)
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> if I ever get sued, I'm hiring that guy!
05:43 <ghableska> heh
05:43 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-216-182-238.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
05:45 <luke-jr_> what is 'emo'?
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05:50 <Lucifer_arma> #wikipedia emo
05:51 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: Error connecting to Google.com.
05:51 <luke-jr_> pow(0.5756, 2) * 0.889543486724 * (0 - 0.421555244143)
05:51  * luke-jr_ ponders why that is NAN
05:52 <luke-jr_> #g pow(0.5756, 2) * 0.889543486724 * (0 - 0.421555244143)
05:52 <armabot> luke-jr_: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
05:53 <luke-jr_> #g 0.5756 * 0.5756 * 0.889543486724 * (0 - 0.421555244143)
05:53 <armabot> luke-jr_: 0.5756 * 0.5756 * 0.889543486724 * (0 - 0.421555244143) = -0.124240517
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> precision?
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> man, I'm starting to want to take a break every time this deposition says "recess taken"
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06:03 <luke-jr_> the odd thing is, it takes a good 5-10 minutes of processing before it goes NAN on me
06:04 <luke-jr_> and even odder, I can't match NAN with ===
06:04 <spidey> we playing civ tnoight?
06:04 <luke-jr_> spidey: dunno; vanhayes, mom and durka are all gone
06:04 <luke-jr_> you luci and I could continue last night I suppose
06:04 <spidey> that only leave you, so i'ma go play tremulous
06:04 <luke-jr_> AI ben and mom
06:04  * luke-jr_ pokes Lucifer_arma 
06:04 <spidey> i wanna finish a game me and luci started
06:05 <spidey> i was liking that game :/
06:05 <luke-jr_> ...
06:05 <spidey> me and luci was playing a game where we was getting our asses kicked
06:05 <luke-jr_> want a challenge?
06:05 <luke-jr_> size 4 w/ aifill 30
06:05 <spidey> fuck that
06:05 <luke-jr_> lol
06:05 <spidey> i want more than 5 cities
06:05 <luke-jr_> I survived till like 1900s
06:05 <luke-jr_> AD
06:06 <spidey> if i'ma bew fighting 27 AI's i want more than 5 
06:06 <spidey> :|
06:06 <luke-jr_> heh
06:06 <luke-jr_> the AIs only get about 5 too
06:06 <spidey> so
06:06 <luke-jr_> until war breaks out
06:06 <luke-jr_> then you take theirs
06:06 <luke-jr_> and get > 5
06:06 <spidey> AI's ally and combine armies
06:06 <luke-jr_> so pick a few AIs to ally with
06:06 <spidey> so you'll be fighting 27 armies
06:06 <spidey> alot of ai's won't ally
06:06 <luke-jr_> or do human team
06:07 <luke-jr_> some will
06:07 <luke-jr_> humans on a team makes it easy in a normal game
06:07 <luke-jr_> 27 AIs should counter that :p
06:07 <spidey> tell ya what
06:07 <spidey> i think we should do size 20 with 30 ai's
06:07 <luke-jr_> that will never end...
06:07 <spidey> so
06:08 <luke-jr_> so you want to finish
06:08 <luke-jr_> I guarantee I will not finish a size 20
06:08 <luke-jr_> unless I somehow die
06:08 <spidey> luke
06:08 <spidey> you never finish a 8
06:08 <luke-jr_> sure i do
06:08 <spidey> name one
06:08 <luke-jr_> there's been a few games
06:08 <luke-jr_> after u all leave, I keep playing
06:08 <luke-jr_> after I leave, I come back later
06:08 <luke-jr_> and finish them
06:08 <spidey> we've only left twice
06:09 <spidey> the rest you left
06:09 <luke-jr_> even some of those, I came back and finished
06:09 <luke-jr_> alone or with 1 guy
06:09 <spidey> that doesn't count
06:09 <luke-jr_> you could come back too :p
06:09 <spidey> you didn't finish witht the people you started with
06:09 <spidey> no
06:09 <spidey> when i play a save, i wanna come back as i left it
06:10 <luke-jr_> size 3-7 is easier to finish
06:10 <spidey> same year, same cities, same gold, same tech
06:10 <spidey> not a game you've been playing for awhile
06:10 <luke-jr_> :p
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> man, we even save off a game when one person leaves, then the remaining two play for awhile and save it off
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> when the 3 are ready to play, we restore from the first save point, when it's just the remaining two, we restore from the latter
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> we're hardcore
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> that deposition was the most interesting thing I've read in awhile
06:12 <spidey> :D
06:12 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, wanna finish our save?
06:12 <spidey> :
06:12 <luke-jr_> so shall we continue last night?
06:12 <spidey> :)
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: to be honest, I'm not sure I"m going to want to restore that save.  :(
06:12 <spidey> awe
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> I figured out why I'm not wanting to restore so many saves right now.  :)
06:12 <spidey> ?
06:13 <spidey> well, i know how that one with me you and mom will turn out
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> still fingering our way around 2.1, and with unstable betas to boot.  So some of these saves, while they were fun games, I can identify things I'd like to fix and start a new game
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> we get pwned?
06:13 <spidey> it'll turn out with me have a shitload of battleships and owning the AI's
06:13 <spidey> atleast, i will
06:13 <spidey> :D
06:13 <spidey> i had 64 before i made a save point
06:13 <luke-jr_> can marines take cities from boats?
06:13 <spidey> duh
06:13 <luke-jr_> nice
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> hahahahahahaha
06:13  * luke-jr_ has never built a marine
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> that's the *point* of marines!
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> here, you do this luke
06:14 <spidey> luke
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> here's one of luci's secrets
06:14 <spidey> what does "marine" mean?
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> put 1 marine on a transport, and 7 MI
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> bombard a coastal city
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> take it with the marine
06:14 <luke-jr_> spidey: what does Alpine Troops mean?
06:14 <spidey> ...
06:14 <spidey> alpine
06:14 <spidey> mountains
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> then *move* the transport into the city and do shift-U to unload it
06:14 <spidey> noo
06:14 <spidey> noob
06:14 <luke-jr_> O.o
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> then move the MI out to fortify all the rails
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> when you do that sequence I just described, the units unloading have their *full* movement available
06:14 <luke-jr_> O.o
06:15 <spidey> yup
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> if you used howitzers instead of MI, you can take 3-4 cities on one turn
06:15 <luke-jr_> if I knew that a few months ago...
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> rtfm
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> :)
06:15 <spidey> hahahahahaha
06:15 <luke-jr_> I could have totally flipped the course of the gave spidey pwnd me in
06:15 <spidey> i never gave you shit
06:16  * luke-jr_ unloaded a crapload of howitizers onto spidey's rail near his capital, preparing to take him next turn
06:16 <luke-jr_> and spidey took em all out immediately :/
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> you gotta figure out how to combine your units for best results
06:16 <spidey> :)
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> that's what Combined Arms is all about
06:16 <luke-jr_> how about paratroopers? they useful?
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> it's actually an ancient tech, but freeciv makes it a modern tech for no good reason
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> I've used paratroopers to take cities on the poles :)
06:17 <spidey> actually
06:17 <spidey> choppers
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> The deal with paratroopers is you use them to take coastal cities (without using a marine, the transport would then have 8 howitzers, for example)
06:17 <spidey> the ancient guys never had choppers
06:17 <spidey> :P
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> or you use them to take inland cities that have airports already, because once you take it, you can airlift to it
06:17 <spidey> OMG aztecs can fly!
06:17 <spidey> :O
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> or you use them to skirmish, raid, and pillage
06:17 <spidey> paratroopers suck
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> I don't personally use paratroopers much because they're pretty worthless
06:18 <spidey> they're a waste of build points
06:18 <spidey> :P
06:18 <luke-jr_> how do you use paratroopers?
06:18 <spidey> ...
06:18 <spidey> rtfm
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> Choose Orders->Air Drop, iirc
06:18 <spidey> rtfm
06:18 <luke-jr_> O.o?
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> it might be paradrop
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> in my ruleset, I've eliminated paratroopers because using an air transport makes any unit a paratrooper :)
06:18  * Lucifer_arma grumbles about porting it to 2.1
06:19 <spidey> you two wanna play civ?
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, paradrop has a radius associated
06:19 <spidey> and not leave in a hour..
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> man, I'm really fucking sleepy
06:19 <spidey> k
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> if I don't wind up leaving in a couple of hours, it'll be because I passed out
06:19 <spidey> i'll play tremulous :D
06:19 <luke-jr_> I'm drinking pop
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> I could play a couple of hours, but that's it
06:19 <spidey> wow
06:19 <spidey> you're amazing look
06:19 <spidey> you drink pop
06:19 <spidey> :O
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> see, I tell you this beforehand so you know I'm not wussing out later :)
06:19 <luke-jr_> = I'll be up for a while
06:20 <spidey> ...
06:20 <luke-jr_> not likely later than 3 or 4 tho
06:20 <spidey> if coke makes you stay up
06:20 <spidey> you're body's retarded
06:20 <luke-jr_> ...
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> imagine what heroin would do to him?
06:20 <spidey> haha
06:20 <luke-jr_> coke makes anyone stay up?
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> not me
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> well, I take that back.  I don't drink Coca-Cola because it's the Ultimate Suck
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> it sucks more than a french hooker on Free Day
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> it's also the most heavily caffeinated soft drink, afaik
06:21 <spidey> ..
06:21  * luke-jr_ hates regular coke
06:21 <spidey> if you saw what my deskt looked like
06:21 <spidey> i've got about 32 coke cans on it
06:22 <spidey> and guess what
06:22 <spidey> it doesn't make me stay up!
06:22 <luke-jr_> spidey: that happens with any drug if taken too much
06:22 <spidey> what?
06:22 <spidey> not really
06:22 <luke-jr_> ........
06:23 <spidey> i've had a natural ability to handle anything i've taken
06:23 <spidey> so far
06:23 <spidey> weather i've used it before or not
06:23 <luke-jr_> it doesn't make you stay up cuz u can't handle it
06:23 <spidey> i i don't drink alot
06:23 <spidey> but
06:23 <luke-jr_> it's cuz it impedes sleep and gives you energy
06:23 <spidey> when i do i have to drink alot to get drunk
06:23 <spidey> infact, i only drink maybe once a year
06:24 <luke-jr_> I don't drink
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> caffeine is the most dangerous drug around right now, precisely because of what luke said
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> "impedes sleep and gives you energy"
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> caffeine does nothing of the sort
06:24 <luke-jr_> caffeine alone might not
06:25 <luke-jr_> tho IIRC it's responsible for some of the sleep impedence
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> what's dangerous about caffeine is that it's a narcotic, it just increases your metabolism, speeding up your body
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> this has the effect of making you feel more energetic, but you don't actually gain any energy
06:25 <luke-jr_> the sugar does
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> it does impede sleep, for the reason I just said
06:25 <luke-jr_> give you energy
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> no, it doesn't, not really
06:26 <luke-jr_> why not? regular sugar does
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> it sounds like it does, and it does give you a bit of a rush, but it's not quite the same thing
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> the real problem isn't whether it's a rush or real energy, the real problem is that the effect is extremely short-term anyway
06:26 <luke-jr_> sugar is supposed to be short-term
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> if you want energy to stay up, you're better off eating some chinese food :)
06:26 <luke-jr_> just finished ramen too
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> drink some coffee or something to take the edge off
06:27 <luke-jr_> I don't like chinese food
06:27 <luke-jr_> edge?
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> no, I mean chinese food with real ingredients and shit (ramen's japanese, anyway)
06:27 <luke-jr_> I don't like chinese food
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, to lighten up the effect
06:27 <luke-jr_> will ice cream do?
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> well, in my experience chinese food is the most immediately and longest-lasting energizing meal
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> no, you need real proteins and vitamins and shit
06:27 <luke-jr_> O.o
06:27 <luke-jr_> coffee has any of that?
06:28 <spidey>                                                                                                   lol
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> no, it doesn't.  Coffee has caffeine
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> coffee has fake energy.
06:28 <luke-jr_> you said to drink it!
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> "to take the edge off"
06:28 <luke-jr_> o.O
06:28 <luke-jr_> so why won't coffee ice cream work?
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> basically, take the short-term perceived boost in energy while you're waiting for digestion to kick in
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> because in the end, it doesn't have the stuff you need for energy?
06:29 <luke-jr_> I mean as a substitute for coffee, not food
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> think of like "What do I eat to give my body the right nutrients and stuff for it to function properly?"
06:29 <luke-jr_> will fudge work for food?
06:29 <luke-jr_> :p
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, the point of coffee in what I said is to get the dosage of caffeine
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> and ice cream doesn't have that high dosage
06:29 <luke-jr_> pop gives me diahreah if I drink too much
06:30 <spidey> wtf
06:30 <luke-jr_> lol
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> see, for short-term gain, caffeine isn't so bad, as long as you're fishing for like 20 minutes and taht's it.  If you need to stay up for "the next 8 hours", eat something that's good and good for you
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> coke gives me diarrhea, but Dr. Pepper, made from prune juice, does not
06:30 <luke-jr_> how about if I want to sleep 3 or 4 hrs per day max? :p
06:30 <luke-jr_> every dau
06:30 <luke-jr_> day*
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I'm a grab a smoke.  When I come back, if there's a freeciv game to be had for a couple of hours, I'll have it.  If not, I'll probably go to bed.
06:31 <spidey> you guys suck if coke give you the shits
06:31 <spidey> :P
06:31  * luke-jr_ ponders if goldfish will do
06:31 <spidey> ..
06:31 <luke-jr_> I used to drink 3 or 4 cans of Pepsi a day, and it was fine
06:31 <luke-jr_> at least
06:31 <spidey> if you wanna stay up just make it about 50-60 degrees in the house
06:31 <spidey> that'll do
06:31 <luke-jr_> cold :x
06:31 <luke-jr_> the office can't get that cold
06:32 <luke-jr_> too many computers heating it
06:32 <spidey> to much heat will make you tiredish
06:32 <spidey> colder it is the more likely you'll stay up longer :P
06:33 <spidey> 3 or 4 cans a day?
06:33 <spidey> o.O
06:33 <spidey> i drink atleast 9-10 cans of dr. pepper a day :P
06:34 <spidey> sometimes i'll drink liters of water in a few hours
06:34 <luke-jr_> probably more
06:34 <spidey> just depends on how i feel
06:34 <luke-jr_> I was constantly drinking it
06:34 <luke-jr_> nowadays the only way I can get any is to claim I'm buying it to remove corrosion
06:34 <spidey> ...
06:38 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.net/config
06:38 <spidey> settings for FA
06:38 <spidey> :D:D
06:39 <luke-jr_> ...
06:39 <spidey> ...
06:41 <luke-jr_> btw, did u figure out your problem?
06:41 <spidey> no
06:42 <luke-jr_> what's your rotation config line?
06:42 <spidey> config_rotation round1.cfg;round2.cfg;round3.cfg;round4.cfg;round5.cfg;round6.cfg;round7.cfg;round8.cfg;round9.cfg;round10.cfg;
06:43 <luke-jr_> btw
06:43 <luke-jr_> fix it so it doesn't change stuff early
06:44 <spidey> tell who ever implimented it to do it
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> so are we going to restore that game?
06:44 <spidey> it's not something i can fix
06:44 <luke-jr_> sure
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> and, er, actually, spidey, colder temperatures make your heart rate decrease, which helps you to fall asleep
06:45 <luke-jr_> lol
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> one of the treatments for insomnia is to turn the a/c on
06:45 <spidey> doesn't work that way for me
06:45 <spidey> if the room's just right
06:45 <spidey> 70-75 degrees
06:45  * luke-jr_ thinks you need to aim for a middle ground
06:45 <spidey> sure i can
06:45 <spidey> but if it's "cold" 
06:45 <spidey> i can't sleep
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> it's an illusion.  I find that if I take a pretty hot shower and don't completely dry off, then lay in bed with the a/c on, I tend to fall asleep quicker than normal
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> well, too cold and your body goes into survival mode
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> you'll still succumb sooner or later without some heat, but when your body goes into survival mode, all bets are off on when you'll fall asleep
06:46 <spidey> i'm talkin 40-50 degrees
06:46  * luke-jr_ notes he has no body fat
06:46 <spidey> and that's the temp. i like it
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> I estimate that the temperature around my body when I finally lay down is typically around 50 degrees
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> and when I do *that*, I generally fall asleep within 15 minutes.  If I don't do that, I could lay in bed for hours
06:47 <luke-jr_> spidey: 40-50 degrees is cold
06:47 <spidey> i like it
06:47 <spidey> :)
06:47  * luke-jr_ would be shivering
06:47 <spidey> i've always liked it cold
06:47 <spidey> :P
06:47 <luke-jr_> spidey: fatty
06:47 <luke-jr_> :p
06:47 <spidey> ...
06:47 <luke-jr_> lol
06:48 <luke-jr_> so let's go play civ
06:48 <spidey> 190lbs and i'm about 6ft-6ft 1
06:48 <spidey> nub
06:48 <luke-jr_> fatty
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's fatty
06:48 <spidey> lies
06:48 <luke-jr_> you weigh about double me
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> I'm around 200 at 6 ft, and I've got layers of fat
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> the good news is that my titties are gone.  :)
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> now if I can just get this belly back down...
06:48 <spidey> i'm "fat"
06:48  * Lucifer_arma is happy with his fencing class :)
06:49 <spidey> i've got a pudge, but i'm not "fat" :P
06:49  * luke-jr_ doesn't exercise :p
06:49  * spidey has to
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> 20% fat is morbid obesity, iirc
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> might be 25%
06:49 <spidey> my dogs always run off
06:49 <spidey> so i have to chase them down
06:49 <spidey> :/
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> man, when I was 18, I didn't exercise, I ate my balls off, and I still tended to lose weight
06:49  * luke-jr_ can't get fat if he tries
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> if it weren't for regular extreme binges like all-you-can-eat buffets, I'd have shrunk down to 120.  In fact, I did shrink down to 120 at one point.
06:50 <luke-jr_> actually, I take back what I said about exercise
06:50 <luke-jr_> I get plenty in bed
06:50 <luke-jr_> :p
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> catholic sex doesn't count.  When they say sex is the best exercise, they mean "liberal sex".
06:50 <luke-jr_> I tend to float around 100
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> You know, sex worth having.
06:50 <spidey> hahahaha
06:51 <luke-jr_> you have it backward
06:51 <luke-jr_> liberal sex is the worthless kind
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> no, I don't.  :)
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> I've done it both ways, and I know which one is more satisfying.  ;)
06:51 <luke-jr_> obviously not :)
06:51  * Lucifer_arma points to his three kids
06:52 <luke-jr_> you're insulting your kids on purpose?
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> speaking of kids, my son's tee-ball team won both games today
06:53  * Lucifer_arma notes that when luke-jr says "insult", Lucifer reads "compliment"
06:53 <spidey> haha
06:53 <luke-jr_> you're the one saying they're unsatisfying
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> no, you are
06:53 <spidey> satisfying is irrelivant
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> I'm saying they came about as the result of very satisfying sex that was repeated at least twice after the first time :)
06:54 <luke-jr_> liberal sex can't result in kids (or rarely, anyhow)
06:54 <spidey> since something that satisfies one person, may not satisfy another
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> hence *three* kids, not one or two or four
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> sure it can
06:54 <luke-jr_> legitimate kids*
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> whether the sex is liberal or not is independent of contraceptive means
06:54 <spidey> qtf@ legitimate kids
06:54 <spidey> wtf*
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> it's also independent of marriage
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> to put it another way, my wife and I are freaky
06:54 <luke-jr_> nope
06:55 <luke-jr_> liberal "sex" is abuse of real sex for purposes other than it is intended
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> right, blowjobs, anal penetration, handjobs, etc
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> touching/sucking boobies
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> right
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> exactly
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> thanks :)
06:55 <luke-jr_> and none of that can result in kids :)
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> then explain my three kids?
06:56 <luke-jr_> you yourself admitted to doing it the right way also
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> actually, one of them was conceived in a period when we did the more conservative variety, but not the other two
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> the other two, the oldest and youngest, were both conceived during particularly freaky periods in our sex life
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> where the only method we consistently used was "poke it to see if it moves"
06:57 <luke-jr_> ...
06:58 <luke-jr_> wtf is that supposed to mean
06:58 <spidey> lmao
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> hahahaha
06:58 <spidey> i'ma go play tremulous
06:59 <luke-jr_> if it's within marriage and has no impedences to kids, it's Catholic-compatible, not liberal
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> so oral is out?
06:59 <luke-jr_> ...
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> can't have a kid when you're shooting a load down her throat, right?
07:00 <luke-jr_> right
07:01  * luke-jr_ stabs floating points
07:01 <luke-jr_> ()$#@&)$
07:01 <luke-jr_> WTF is -5.62673 != -5.62673 ?!?!?
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> if you want a definition, liberal sex can be defined as anything goes as long as all parties involved agree and want it
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> so it's completely inclusive of anything catholic-compatible, other than prohibitions on contraceptives
07:02 <luke-jr_> you mean without God involved?
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> but it's a superset
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> God sure in the hell isn't in my bedroom.  Or if he is, he's probably blushing.
07:02 <luke-jr_> why? sex is merely imitation of Him
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> really?
07:03 <luke-jr_> more or less
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> why do I feel a sudden urge to draw an internet comic on the subject?
07:03 <luke-jr_> XD
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> "Take it, Jesus, take it!"
07:03 <luke-jr_> I'd rather you help me with this floating point crap
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> only reasons I know you'll wind up with NAN is division by zero, and taking the square root of -1
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07:04 <luke-jr_> well, the NAN never happens if the comparison works
07:04 <luke-jr_> if -5.62673 == -5.62673, NAN doesn't occur
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07:04 <Lucifer_arma> pastebin the code?
07:04 <luke-jr_> wtf was that about
07:05 <luke-jr_> http://rafb.net/p/NKU21r75.html
07:05 <luke-jr_> line 30 of that
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> do you get NAN on line 29 in your test case?  (the echo line)
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm, are you taking a derivative there?  Or trying to, anyway?
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07:10 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> hi
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> find out what $g is right before that big mess
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> I can see $g possibly becoming NAN early on, but it not being detected until the comparison
07:11 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> hi lucky
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> on line 18, get $g, $v, and $delta and see if any of those are NAN
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> re tard
07:12 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> ^_~
07:12 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: not sure
07:12 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: I have no clue how it works
07:13 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> it doesnt
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> truer words have never been spoken, SuPeRTaRD-bb (hi there!) 
07:13 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> ¶8)
07:13 <luke-jr_> nothing at line 18 is NAN
07:13 <luke-jr_> it works for smaller datasets :p\
07:13 <luke-jr_> http://math.bu.edu/people/mg/glicko/glicko2.doc/example.html <-- maths I'm trying to implement
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> and you're sure you're not falling into an infinite loop somehow?
07:15 <luke-jr_> I am, because the floats won't compare
07:16 <luke-jr_> I suspect it's trying to get a limit
07:16 <luke-jr_> and just plugging in the number yields NAN
07:16 <luke-jr_> so it approaches from both sides until they match
07:16 <luke-jr_> and they're just not matching :/
07:17 <luke-jr_> that's all suspicion tho, I really haven't analyzed the formula
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> it's not computing a limit, but I'm not seeing where the summations are appearing in code
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> when you see the sigma, think for loop :)
07:21 <luke-jr_> they're not
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> step 3 is one such sigma, iterating over each opponent and summing the results together
07:21 <luke-jr_> it only supports 2 players
07:21 <luke-jr_> so only 1 opponent
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> the game this is from, you mean?
07:22 <luke-jr_> it's not from a game
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> whatever it's from.  :)  Hang on
07:22 <luke-jr_> it's an arma ladderlog parser
07:22 <luke-jr_> yes
07:22 <luke-jr_> it vudelta($killer, $killed, 1) and vudelta($killed, $killer, 0)
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> To apply the rating algorithm, we treat a collection of games within a ``rating period'' to have occurred simultaneously. 
07:23 <luke-jr_> rating period = 1 event :)
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> so I'm reading this as inclusive of all games played within that rating period, which could have up to m total opponents for each player
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> hence the summation
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> when the number of games in a rating period is moderate to large, say an average of at least 10-15 games per player in a rating period. 
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07:23 <luke-jr_> yes, so my small rating period will be less accurate
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> so they're wanting you to take snapshots of a certain minimum size that you'll need to tweak to find here
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> you need a longer rating period, so you can do the summation.  So take like a day's matches?  Or maybe just take all the rounds in a given match?
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> that last one might not be enough, though.  Hmmmm.........
07:24 <luke-jr_> I don't want to do the summation :p
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> you have to do the summation
07:24 <luke-jr_> why?
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> every computation after that depends on the summation
07:24 <luke-jr_> why can't I apply it for each death?
07:25 <luke-jr_> only considering the 2 players involved in it?
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> because the summation is an aggregate of all opponents faced by one player
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> and it's for each player
07:25 <luke-jr_> and that one player only faces one other player in a single event
07:26 <luke-jr_> http://rafb.net/p/48B4Cs90.html <-- complete script
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> fine, don't do the summation, but if you're going to just toss out parts of someone's carefully constructed series, don't be surprised if you get NAN as a result at some point :)
07:26 <luke-jr_> I'm not just tossing out parts
07:26 <luke-jr_> I'm just using a very short period of time to sample
07:26 <luke-jr_> such that I end up with 2 players
07:27 <luke-jr_> which makes a summation into a single evaluation
07:27 <mkzelda> #lastseen psyko
07:27 <armabot> mkzelda: ~*PsYkO*~ has last been seen on  Wild West  =Fortress= 6 minutes ago.
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> echo ''.round($x, 5) . '~' . ''.round($lx, 5) . "\n";  <--- what's the last output of this when you get the NAN error?
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> line 29
07:28 <luke-jr_> -5.62673~-5.62673
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> in the pastebin that is
07:28 <mkzelda> #lastseen ({+})
07:28 <luke-jr_> after that is NAN~-INF
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> so you're probably getting the NAN on the first time it goes through the next iteration, and it's breaking properly there
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> put an echo after the if and see :)
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> (you'll have to make it a block with {} obviously)
07:29 <armabot> mkzelda: timed out
07:30 <luke-jr_> it's running
07:30 <luke-jr_> it takes a while
07:30 <luke-jr_> it works fine with most logs; only occurs with Durka's 28 MB lgo
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> unicode problem, maybe?
07:31 <luke-jr_> doubt it, as it gets pretty far
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> or a parse error at some point?
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> when I was doing scanning of various arma logs, I noticed a lot of anomalies here and there
07:31 <luke-jr_> keep in mind these are sanitised usernames too
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> this was back in days though
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> try to find out which line of the log it's actually failing on :)
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> unless you already have...
07:33 <luke-jr_> nope, haven't
07:33 <luke-jr_> should be fairly easy
07:33 <luke-jr_> I don't see how the log could mess it up tho
07:33 <luke-jr_> it doesn't use any numbers from it
07:33 <luke-jr_> player_1 killed armagetron : -5.62673~-5.62672
07:34 <luke-jr_> -5.62673~-5.62673
07:34 <luke-jr_> broke!
07:34 <luke-jr_> NAN~-INF
07:34 <luke-jr_> NAN~NAN
07:34 <luke-jr_> broke!
07:34 <luke-jr_> 1288-1935 vs NAN-NAN
07:34 <luke-jr_> DEATH_FRAG player_1 armagetron <-- line triggering
07:35 <luke-jr_> line 228388 of 2167946
07:35 <SuPeRTaRD-bb> ~¿~ Zzz²
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07:42 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: line 40 on the 2nd paste
07:42 <luke-jr_> $vola[$who] == 0
07:43 <luke-jr_> log(0) == -INF
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> armagetron is an ai?
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> grep armagetron in the log?  ;)
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> see if this is his first appearance
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> can't see it mattering, but since you have it narrowed down to which line causes it, you're on the tail end of beating it ;)
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm going to bed, I'm really sleepy and my knees are hurting like hell and need a rest
07:48 <MrBougo> sleep well
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> I'll dream of Belgian waffles and Amherst-kisses
07:49 <MrBougo> xD
07:53 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: it's his 8th appearance with player_1
07:56 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: armagetron kills n3erds and ends up with $x ==  -5.62671145235, which puts $vola[armagetron] at 0.0600032995257
07:57 <luke-jr_> which squared is 0.003600395953
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08:26 <MrBougo> #serverinfo swamp
08:26 <armabot> MrBougo: G-Land (A Swamplords server): No online players.
08:26 <MrBougo> #serverinfo swampland
08:26 <armabot> MrBougo: Swampland in 2.7.1: No online players.
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08:52 <MrBougo> yello joe
08:53 <DrJoeTron> WORD
08:53 <DrJoeTron> word even
08:54 <MrBougo> ???
08:54 <MrBougo> DrJoeTron : ???
08:54 <DrJoeTron> hi
08:54 <MrBougo> [08:51:47] DrJoeTron: WORD
08:54 <MrBougo> [08:51:52] DrJoeTron: word even
08:55 <DrJoeTron> caps lock
08:55 <DrJoeTron> relax man
08:55 <MrBougo> lol i dont get it...
08:55 <MrBougo> bah nevermind
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09:03 <MrBougo> hello
09:06 <spidey> luke-jr_, ping
09:11 <MrBougo> #poing
09:11 <armabot> piong
09:33 <spidey> wow
09:34 <MrBougo> ?
09:34 <spidey> in the last year i've payed  $406, and wizz has payed $150
09:34 <MrBougo> payed what?
09:34 <spidey> for the servers/sites for our clan
09:34 <spidey> :O
09:34 <MrBougo> wtf!
09:34 <MrBougo> that's expensive!
09:34 <spidey> that's minimal
09:34 <spidey> for running a clan
09:34 <spidey> :)
09:34 <MrBougo> how much servers do you rent?
09:34 <spidey> right now?
09:34 <spidey> tron and soldat plus 2 webservers
09:35 <MrBougo> huh!
09:35 <MrBougo> 2 webservers for one clan?
09:35 <spidey> yea
09:35 <spidey> .net and .com
09:35 <MrBougo> huh
09:36 <MrBougo> why not one server and 2 redirects
09:36 <spidey> we use alot of bandwidth
09:36 <spidey> heh
09:36 <MrBougo> ew
09:36 <MrBougo> which clan?
09:36 <MrBougo> mbc right
09:36 <spidey> |FA|
09:36 <MrBougo> err
09:36 <spidey> no way
09:36 <MrBougo> nevermind xD
09:36 <spidey> i wouldn't give micro shit
09:36 <MrBougo> lol
09:36 <MrBougo> but u used to be mbc, didnt you
09:36 <spidey> and i left ;)
09:37 <spidey> i was in it for a year, but that's how long it took me to get tired of his shit
09:37 <spidey> :P
09:37 <MrBougo> xD
09:37 <MrBougo> their serv is indeed shitty
09:37 <spidey> that's cause micro don't listen to his clan members
09:37 <spidey> one reason i left
09:37 <MrBougo> ah
09:38 <spidey> 2/3 of the clan asked for lower rubber
09:38 <spidey> what'd micro do
09:38 <spidey> raise it
09:38 <spidey> and half of the 1/3 is inactive
09:38 <spidey> so there vote didn't count
09:38 <MrBougo> rofl!
09:38  * MrBougo hates high-rubber
09:38 <spidey> his clan
09:38 <spidey> fine
09:38 <spidey> but he doesn't pay the bills
09:39 <MrBougo> doesnt he?
09:39 <spidey> the clan donates
09:39 <MrBougo> omg!
09:39 <MrBougo> is it a sect? xD
09:39 <spidey> sect?
09:40 <MrBougo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sect
09:40 <MrBougo> where are you from?
09:40 <spidey> #dict sect
09:40 <spidey> usa
09:40 <armabot> spidey: easton, wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: gcide: Sect \Sect\ (s[e^]kt), n. [L. secare, sectum, to cut.] A cutting; a scion. [Obs.] --Shak. [1913 Webster]; wn: sect n 1: a subdivision of a larger religious group [syn: {religious sect}, {religious order}] 2: a dissenting clique [syn: {faction}]; easton: Sect (Gr. hairesis, usually rendered "heresy", Acts 24:14; 1 Chr. 11:19; (6 more messages)
09:40 <spidey> a gang?
09:40 <spidey> lol
09:40 <MrBougo> kind of
09:41 <MrBougo> with a guru that is worshipped
09:41 <MrBougo> some stupid things
09:41 <spidey> micro isn't worshiped, i can tell ya that
09:41 <MrBougo> oh ok then
09:41 <spidey> most of the clan doubts him :P
09:41 <MrBougo> a dictatorship then
09:42 <spidey> half of that's my fault
09:42 <spidey> o.O
09:42 <MrBougo> xD
09:42  * spidey made a really long post in mbc non-clan forum showing how micro really is :D
09:42 <MrBougo> hehe
09:42 <MrBougo> what does FA mean?
09:42 <MrBougo> the clan's name
09:42 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com
09:42 <MrBougo> oh
09:43 <MrBougo> are you still falling?
09:43 <spidey> we set and thought of names for 3 days
09:43 <spidey> finally we said next suggestion is it
09:43 <spidey> guess what it was? :P
09:43 <MrBougo> xD
09:43 <MrBougo> muh, the server doesnt answer
09:43 <spidey> yea, webhost is acting up
09:44 <MrBougo> the dotnet works
09:44 <MrBougo> oh ok, you run the tron server on the dotnet one?
09:44 <spidey> yea, that's the one that does work, most of the time
09:44 <spidey> heh
09:44 <spidey> no
09:44 <MrBougo> ew
09:44 <spidey> luke-jr_, hosts the tron server
09:44 <spidey> :P
09:44 <MrBougo> oh
09:45 <MrBougo> so the dotnet hosts the config files
09:45 <spidey> no
09:45 <MrBougo> muh
09:45 <spidey> i just uploaded them
09:45 <MrBougo> there's a /config
09:45 <MrBougo> oh ok
09:45 <spidey> so they'd be safe from my evil formats
09:45 <spidey> :O
09:45 <MrBougo> i don't get the purpose of this serv :p
09:45 <spidey> it's a fallback
09:45 <spidey> incase something happens to the .com
09:46 <spidey> plus sometimes i host stuff for the .com on the .net
09:46 <spidey> since the .com has less bandwidth :P
09:46 <MrBougo> oh
09:46 <MrBougo> the other folders are private, right
09:46 <MrBougo> or something like that xD
09:47 <MrBougo> because i only see /config
09:47 <spidey> there's nothing on it now
09:47 <MrBougo> oh ok
09:47 <spidey> it got to big so i move www/ and replaced it with another one
09:47 <spidey> nothing but crap on it i didn't use anymore
09:47 <spidey> heh
09:47 <MrBougo> oh ok :p
09:48 <MrBougo> jeeze its so expensive
09:48 <MrBougo> do you get a part of the money from ads?
09:48 <spidey> no
09:48 <MrBougo> ew, all self-paid
09:48 <spidey> #g  $406+150
09:48 <armabot> spidey: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
09:48 <spidey> #g  $406+$150
09:48 <armabot> spidey: (US$ 406) + (US$ 150) = 556 U.S. dollars
09:48 <MrBougo> xD
09:48 <spidey> #g  $556/12
09:48 <armabot> spidey: (US$ 556) / 12 = 46.3333333 U.S. dollars
09:49 <spidey> that's only $46.33 a month
09:49 <MrBougo> oh im dumb
09:49 <MrBougo> dumbdumbsumb
09:49 <MrBougo> i tought it was /month
09:49 <MrBougo> *dumbdumb*
09:49 <spidey> i'm not that stupid :D
09:49 <MrBougo> $556/month rofl
09:49 <spidey> i'd go dedicated before i payed that :P
09:50 <spidey> i'ma go play tremulous now, bbl :P
09:50 <MrBougo> okay
09:50 <MrBougo> ima download tremulous now
09:50 <MrBougo> i forgot about it xD
09:50 <MrBougo> it it wheighty?
09:50 <MrBougo> -h
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10:12 <MrBougo> jello !
10:12 <DiGiTX> gm
10:12 <DiGiTX> #morning
10:12 <DiGiTX> xD
10:12 <armabot> Good Morning DiGiTX Random Fortune: FORTUNE PROVIDES QUESTIONS FOR THE GREAT ANSWERS: #21 || A: Dr. Livingston I. Presume. || Q: What's Dr. Presume's full name?
10:12 <DiGiTX> jajuj
10:13 <DiGiTX> #seen epsy
10:13 <armabot> DiGiTX: epsy was last seen in #armagetron 11 hours, 41 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <epsy> cya
10:13 <DiGiTX> 11 hours D
10:14 <DiGiTX> game
10:14 <MrBougo> #seen wrtlprnft
10:14 <armabot> MrBougo: wrtlprnft was last seen in #armagetron 8 hours, 38 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <wrtlprnft> #night
10:15 <MrBougo> #seen zman
10:15 <armabot> MrBougo: zman was last seen in #armagetron 9 hours, 15 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: * zman yawns and crawls into bed.
10:15 <MrBougo> #seen z-man-work
10:15 <DiGiTX> #seen MrBougo 
10:15 <armabot> MrBougo: z-man-work was last seen in #armagetron 2 days, 17 hours, 19 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <z-man-work> Yep, that's what I do, too.
10:15 <armabot> DiGiTX: MrBougo was last seen in #armagetron 0 seconds ago: <MrBougo> #seen z-man-work
10:15 <DiGiTX> 0 secons 
10:15 <MrBougo> xD
10:15 <DiGiTX> xD
10:15 <MrBougo> #seen xfroggy
10:15 <armabot> MrBougo: xfroggy was last seen in #armagetron 1 day, 4 hours, 43 minutes, and 1 second ago: <xfroggy> ^
10:15 <MrBougo> lol!
10:15 <MrBougo> #seen armabot
10:15 <armabot> MrBougo: I have not seen armabot.
10:15 <MrBougo> pwnt
10:15 <MrBougo> #seen CIA-24
10:15 <armabot> MrBougo: CIA-24 was last seen in #armagetron 1 day, 13 hours, 25 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <CIA-24> armagetronad:  * resources/wrtlprnft/fortress/zig_zag-1.aamap.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
10:15 <DiGiTX> 1 day
10:16 <MrBougo> #seen n54
10:16 <armabot> MrBougo: n54 was last seen in #armagetron 37 weeks, 6 days, 6 hours, 35 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <n54> hi mom :)
10:16 <MrBougo> ew!
10:17 <MrBougo> #seen self_destructo
10:17 <armabot> MrBougo: self_destructo was last seen in #armagetron 1 week, 1 day, 8 hours, 48 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <Self_Destructo> spidey, thanks
10:17 <MrBougo> #seen wrtlprnft_konver
10:17 <armabot> MrBougo: wrtlprnft_konver was last seen in #armagetron 41 weeks, 6 days, 11 hours, 50 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <wrtlprnft_konver> yeah it works, i get the msgs
10:17 <MrBougo> #seen joda_bo1
10:17 <armabot> MrBougo: joda_bo1 was last seen in #armagetron 25 weeks, 4 days, 10 hours, 39 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <joda_bo1> #night
10:17 <MrBougo> DiGiTX : ?
10:17 <DiGiTX> wait ..
10:18 <MrBougo> #seen spidey|hibernati
10:18 <armabot> MrBougo: spidey|hibernati was last seen in #armagetron 43 weeks, 0 days, 8 hours, 23 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <spidey|hibernati> damn freenode
10:20 <DiGiTX> wait
10:20 <DiGiTX> D
10:20 <MrBougo> ???
10:21 <MrBougo> #seen wait
10:21 <armabot> MrBougo: I have not seen wait.
10:22 <DiGiTX> xD
10:22 <DiGiTX> cmon
10:22 <DiGiTX> thekowsklan
10:22 <DiGiTX> xD
10:28 <MrBougo> ew
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10:31 <DrJoeTron> damn
10:31 <MrBougo> ?
10:31 <DrJoeTron> the day blockland 1.0 gets released is the day mom isn't around :/
10:32 <MrBougo> huh
10:32 <MrBougo> blockland looks funny
10:32 <MrBougo> does your mom play blockland?
10:33 <DrJoeTron> well
10:33 <DrJoeTron> we play return to blockland
10:33 <DrJoeTron> which is the free one
10:46 <DrJoeTron> http://www.rrrrthats5rs.com/games/the-road-less-taken hey guys check this game out
10:47 <MrBougo> jeeze
10:47 <MrBougo> its hard
10:52 <MrBougo> lvl13
10:53 <DrJoeTron> jesus
10:53 <DrJoeTron> i cant get past 5
10:53 <MrBougo> lol
10:53 <DrJoeTron> im my worst enemy
10:53 <MrBougo> ew i pressed reset T_T
10:56 <MrBougo> i give up
10:56 <MrBougo> the blocks always take th same way
10:56 <MrBougo> but when you press reset it changes
11:00 -!- MrBougo is now known as epsy
11:00 <DrJoeTron> you're shitting me
11:00 -!- epsy is now known as MrBougo
11:00 <MrBougo> huh?
11:00 <DrJoeTron> are you epsy?
11:01 <MrBougo> not at all
11:01 <MrBougo> i wanted to check if he was registered xD
11:01 <MrBougo> just check my ip if you want to
11:01 <MrBougo> it's belgian
11:01 <MrBougo> epsy is french
11:01 <MrBougo> ima register mrbougo
11:05 <DiGiTX> :D
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11:24 <MrBougo> It seems that digitx's shift-key is hanging: 9.2% of the time he/she wrote UPPERCASE.
11:24 <MrBougo> For example, like this:
11:24 <MrBougo>      <digitx> XD 
11:27 <MrBougo> (this is a test message) there's something wrong about the server, i think it would be right in a normal situation... i should really do something... if only i could...
11:27 <MrBougo> i used the 10 most used words xD
11:30 -!- epsy [n=epsy@mar75-4-82-227-65-72.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #armagetron
11:30 <MrBougo> epsy! finally!
11:30 <MrBougo> DiGiTX
11:30 <epsy> hi
11:30 <epsy> #morning
11:30 <armabot> Good Morning epsy Random Fortune: We use Linux for all our mission-critical applications. Having the source code || means that we are not held hostage by anyone's support department. || (Russell Nelson, President of Crynwr Software)
11:30 <MrBougo> DiGiTX DiGiTX DiGiTX DiGiTX DiGiTX DiGiTX
11:32 <MrBougo> i gottago :(
11:33 <MrBougo> eps, can you try /msg nickserv info MrBougo ?
11:33 <MrBougo> tell me if it's public or not
11:36 <MrBougo> epsy : ?
11:36 <MrBougo> blah, i gottago... cyas all
11:37 <MrBougo> have a nice day
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12:23 <Exel> Hus in |JP|
12:25 <Exel> Hello
12:25 <Exel> anyone
12:25 <epsy> hi
12:26 <Exel> is dat u pikaro
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12:26 <Exel> ??
12:26 <epsy> err i suppose no
12:26 <Exel> U in |JP|
12:26 <Exel> ?
12:27 <epsy> no
12:27 -!- digitx [n=digitx@catv-56653766.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #armagetron
12:27 <Exel> iw ann try for |JP|
12:33 <digitx> #python
12:33 <digitx> XD
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12:36 <madmax|pt> you're 'Pimpy Wimp'?
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12:40 -!- TuI65 is now known as Ossi
12:41 -!- Ossi is now known as Mkbkd
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12:54 <MrBougo> im back!
12:55 <madmax|pt> welcome back!
12:55 <MrBougo> thank you!
12:58 -!- epsy [n=epsy@mar75-4-82-227-65-72.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["END OF LINE"]
12:58 <DiGiTX> damn
13:19 <madmax|pt> Mkbkd: hi Ossi :P
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13:23 <MrBougo> wb
13:23 <epsy> ty
13:23 <DiGiTX> re
13:23 <DiGiTX> :D
13:23 <DiGiTX> father
13:23 <DiGiTX> XD
13:24 <MrBougo> digitx, shut u*
13:24 <MrBougo> xD
13:24 <DiGiTX> :D
13:24 <MrBougo> did you tell epsy?
13:24 <DiGiTX> o bugi mama
13:24 <MrBougo> heh no
13:24 <MrBougo> MR bougo, not mrs
13:24 <DiGiTX> mama
13:24 <MrBougo> nah
13:24 <DiGiTX> :D
13:24 <MrBougo> nah
13:24 <DiGiTX> jo bugi papa
13:24 <MrBougo> err
13:24 <MrBougo> isnt it epsy?
13:24 <DiGiTX> ho ?
13:24 <epsy> what ?
13:24 <DiGiTX> bugi papa
13:24 <MrBougo> xD
13:25 <epsy> lol
13:25 <MrBougo> #realchatlogs
13:25 <armabot> MrBougo: http://master3.armagetronad.net/armalogs/
13:25 <epsy> #ircstats
13:25 <armabot> http://www.electricpotential.net/ircstats/armagetron.html
13:25 <MrBougo> oh no
13:25  * epsy always got stupid quotes
13:25 <MrBougo> it was on the kows klan
13:25 <epsy> ?
13:26 <DiGiTX> kowwwwsklan
13:26 <MrBougo> digitx copied some bash console
13:26 <MrBougo> code
13:26 <DiGiTX> what ?
13:26 <MrBougo> with digitx@espy
13:26 <DiGiTX> ja
13:26 <MrBougo> epsy*
13:26 <DiGiTX> espi again?
13:26 <DiGiTX> nah
13:26 <DiGiTX> :D
13:26 <MrBougo> xD
13:26 <epsy> heh
13:26 <epsy> It seems that digitx's shift-key is hanging: 9.2% of the time he/she wrote UPPERCASE.
13:26 <epsy> For example, like this:
13:26 <epsy>      <digitx> XD
13:26 <DiGiTX> ja killall bugi
13:26 <epsy> lol
13:26 <MrBougo> and i asked him why his computer was called epsy
13:27 <DiGiTX> lol
13:27 <MrBougo> and he answered "my dad"
13:27 <DiGiTX> pssst
13:27 <epsy> he's just crazy/stupid
13:27 <MrBougo> so i was wtf epsy is your dad?
13:27 <DiGiTX> secret
13:27 <DiGiTX> XD
13:27 <MrBougo> xD
13:29 <DiGiTX> im stupid
13:29 <DiGiTX> hyh
13:29 <DiGiTX> uh
13:30 <MrBougo> Affirmative !
13:30 <MrBougo> #playersonline
13:30 <MrBougo> #list alias
13:30 <armabot> MrBougo: add, armabot, armaconfig, bigbrother, bug, chatlog, check, dance, date, die, die, digg, do, eliza, f, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, ircstats, joke, kill, lastseen, legit, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, onlineplayers, onlineservers, pacman, piong, poing, praise, q, realchatlogs, remove, resources, rou, roulette, roulete, rules, serverdetails, (1 more message)
13:30 <MrBougo> #onlineplayers
13:30 <epsy> #onlineplayers
13:30 <MrBougo> -_-
13:30 <epsy> ;)
13:30 <armabot> MrBougo: This data is 22 seconds old; $_TrEnT_$ GöJu, $_TrEnT_$ Make, (*L2K*)cX, (*L2K*)Venosis, (*L2K*)`Lunatic, (Solid)p@p@, -+$P+-<y<lo, adde, ALsUsdCars|MBC|, bigbag, birdman, Blork, cc|RHCP|Tadd, ch, Charminbear, CT~Voodoo, CTÃX3V1, Dez, djiezes, DrHouse, Exel, F4vE, Harry, ibeg, Jamy27, jfacas_Portugal, Kak Tak?, l3th4l, Legionnaire, LudaCri$, maño, Nucko, Player 1, Player 2, Samuel, (1 more message)
13:30 <armabot> epsy: This data is 23 seconds old; $_TrEnT_$ GöJu, $_TrEnT_$ Make, (*L2K*)cX, (*L2K*)Venosis, (*L2K*)`Lunatic, (Solid)p@p@, -+$P+-<y<lo, adde, ALsUsdCars|MBC|, bigbag, birdman, Blork, cc|RHCP|Tadd, ch, Charminbear, CT~Voodoo, CTÃX3V1, Dez, djiezes, DrHouse, Exel, F4vE, Harry, ibeg, Jamy27, jfacas_Portugal, Kak Tak?, l3th4l, Legionnaire, LudaCri$, maño, Nucko, Player 1, Player 2, Samuel, Schotti, (1 more message)
13:30 <MrBougo> #more
13:30 <armabot> MrBougo: Schotti, Sinji, Sithy, sniper, Spinpoo, StarLight, t.F.|Slayer, TF~ Sonny Black, TF~Sonny Check, The Wall, thx, tom, ToNY, totalcommander, Tschai, womble, woorm.bot, wouter, Zarghab, ZXR-General13, |ITA| SMOKE, |ITA|Gelax!, }SC{ tµ¡kêr, ~*SP*~Sacrifice, ~*SP*~SATAN, ~*SP*~viper~, ~Ti$H~, ~{GP}~dreher, ~{GP}~noname, ¦Ã¦Luzifer, ¦ÃÂ¥ FoFo, ©®#P         T<, °¯Loki, °°qain
13:30 <DiGiTX> noname
13:31 <DiGiTX> :)
13:31 <MrBougo> #joke
13:31 <armabot> By royal decree, all humor has hereby been expunged from this channel. If you feel you absolutely *have* to be funny please find a channel where people are able to understand jokes.
13:31 <MrBougo> #praise
13:31 <armabot> MrBougo: (praise [<channel>] [<id>] <who|what> [for <reason>]) -- Praises <who|what> (for <reason>, if given). If <id> is given, uses that specific praise. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
13:31 <MrBougo> huh
13:31 <MrBougo> #alias praise
13:31 <armabot> Ady sucks
13:31 <MrBougo> rofl
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13:32 <MrBougo> #remove
13:32 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: The command "remove" is available in the Alias, Herald, News, Praise, Quote, and RSS plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "remove".
13:32 <MrBougo> #alias remove
13:32 <armabot> MrBougo: (alias remove <name>) -- Removes the given alias, if unlocked.
13:32 <MrBougo> oh
13:32 <MrBougo> #man
13:32 <armabot> MrBougo: (man <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/man.php?c=$1&p=@1".
13:32 <MrBougo> #man ls
13:32 <armabot> MrBougo: ls, dir, vdir - list directory contents
13:38 <wrtlprnft> wtf?
13:38 <wrtlprnft> there's a dir command on unix?
13:39 <epsy> yes
13:39 -!- digitx [n=digitx@catv-56653766.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #armagetron
13:39 <digitx> re
13:40 <MrBougo> re
13:40 <digitx> re
13:40 <MrBougo> re?
13:40 <epsy> wb
13:40 <digitx> re!
13:40 <digitx> ty
13:40 <digitx> X
13:40 <MrBougo> wb!
13:40 <digitx> ty?
13:40 <MrBougo> ty!
13:40 <epsy> pfff
13:40 <MrBougo> (lawl)
13:40 <digitx> nah?
13:40 <digitx> lol?
13:41 <digitx> mama
13:41 <digitx> XD
13:41 <digitx> bugyi
13:41 <digitx> LOL
13:41 <digitx> espi
13:41 <digitx> XD
13:42 <digitx> laddi laddi laddi ho
13:42 <guru3> ...
13:42 <digitx> ez van :)
13:42 <MrBougo> ew, i hear a pre-kick silence
13:43 <digitx> ne legyek nyomorek ? oke .
13:48 <digitx> #onlineplayers
13:48 <armabot> digitx: This data is 54 seconds old; $_TrEnT_$ GöKu, $_TrEnT_$ Make, (*L2K*)cX, (*L2K*)emphasis, (*L2K*)Krupz, (*L2K*)Venosis, -=[@Lex]=-, 009 |MBC|, 0xdd3377oLio, :TS:Kamlolek, aok yoshy, bart, beerman, bigbag, birdman, CHÃLáÃK, Chris, Cobra, ctt|ccRHCP|Tadd, CT~Voodoo, Cucumber, dave, DrHouse, ÃÃ¥qk§þé¢sêq, Exel, F4vE, fearcar, freakless, G5, Harry, Hyperbyte, ikono, Jamy27, (2 more messages)
13:48 <digitx> #more
13:48 <armabot> digitx: jfacas_Portugal, Jin, Lackadaisical, Legionnaire, mañn, MoLten, Monster, Mr. Bougo, Player 1, Player 2, Player 2, Potato Chef, RED DEMON, Samuel, Schotti, sniper, Spinpoo, StarLight, t.F.|Slayer, t.F|Plage, The Wall, thx, TOMMA, tricksta, Tschai, tts-freaky-man, van Nelle, woorm.bot, wouter, ZXR-General13, |ITA| SMOKE, }O{, ~*SP*~SATAN, ~Ti$H~, ~{GP}~dreher, ~{GP}~noname, ©S¦µ4, ©­$P (1 more message)
13:49 <digitx> #more
13:49 <armabot> digitx: T<, ©® §Ã, °°Koki
13:49 <digitx> lol
13:50 <digitx> 569 ping
13:50 <digitx> arma
13:51 <MrBougo> whew
13:51 <MrBougo> which serv?
14:04 -!- Lackadaisical [n=lack@ip202-29-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #armagetron
14:04 <digitx> #roulette
14:04 <armabot> digitx: *click*
14:04 <madmax|pt> hello
14:04 <MrBougo> yello Lackadaisical
14:05 <digitx> hoi 
14:05 <Lackadaisical> hey
14:05 <Lackadaisical> wrtlprnft: do you have serverlogs of the bistro?
14:06 <Lackadaisical> and can you tell ifsomeone really disconnected because of a problem with his internet connection or just leaves?
14:07 <madmax|pt> let me guess, ady?
14:07 <MrBougo> #serverinfo bistro
14:07 <armabot> MrBougo: 1v1 Sumo Bistro: Players (2/4): Lackadaisical, ~*SP*~SATAN
14:11 <digitx> #serverinfo Norms Place
14:11 <digitx> XD
14:11 <armabot> digitx: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “norms place” at the moment, sorry.
14:16 <MrBougo> #serverinfo cafe
14:16 <armabot> MrBougo: Fortress Café: No online players.
14:16 <digitx> hoh
14:16 <digitx> #serverinfo place
14:16 <armabot> digitx: Norm's Place: Players (2/12): Monster, wouter
14:16 <MrBougo> #serverinfo cafe
14:16 <armabot> MrBougo: Fortress Café: No online players.
14:16 <digitx> #serverinfo place
14:16 <armabot> digitx: Norm's Place: Players (2/12): Monster, wouter
14:19 <digitx> #serverinfo place
14:19 <armabot> digitx: Norm's Place: Players (4/12): ICE BEAR, Monster, Salamalejkum, wouter
14:19 <digitx> ICE BEAR
14:19 <MrBougo> ?
14:19 <digitx> brb
14:19 <digitx> XD
14:19 <MrBougo> #seen Anjori
14:19 <armabot> MrBougo: Anjori was last seen in #armagetron 19 weeks, 1 day, 9 hours, 46 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <anjori> meh
14:21 <digitx> #serverinfo place
14:21 <armabot> digitx: Norm's Place: Players (5/12): ICE BEAR, Monster, Salamalejkum, wouter, ©­¡¦Þ	ozo.exe
14:21 <digitx> LO
14:21 <digitx> l
14:21 <MrBougo> ????
14:22 <digitx>  ©­¡¦Ã
14:22 <digitx> crisp
14:22 <digitx> :D
14:23 <MrBougo> lol
14:27 <MrBougo> byebye
14:27 <MrBougo> i didnt know digitx = crisp xD
14:28 <MrBougo> bye
14:28 <MrBougo> #bye
14:28 <MrBougo> #goodbye
14:28 <armabot> Goodbye MrBougo :(
14:28 <MrBougo> :(
14:28 <digitx> cu
14:28 <digitx> :)
14:29 <digitx> :@
14:29 -!- MrBougo [n=MrBougo@ip-62-235-237-149.dsl.scarlet.be] has left #armagetron ["CRIP CROP CRUP !!! Blehbleh"]
14:34 <digitx> #serverinfo place
14:34 <armabot> digitx: Norm's Place: Players (7/12): Arcy, fearcar, ICE BEAR, KARAN!, Monster, Salamalejkum, ©® §Ý
14:36 <epsy> progressing with that joomla thing...
14:36 <epsy> http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/joomlatest/index.php?option=com_joomlaboard&Itemid=28
14:37 <epsy> gtg now
14:38 <digitx> cu
14:38 <digitx> oo
14:38 <digitx> url ?
14:38 <digitx> jaa
14:38 <epsy> wel it's going down in 30 seconds
14:38 <epsy> *well
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14:42 <Lackadaisical> madmax|pt: yes, but we just played the missing 5 rounds so i guess he didn't do it on purpose
14:44 -!- deja_vu [n=deja_vu@Q4ddc.q.pppool.de] has joined #armagetron
14:46 <digitx> hey deja_vu 
14:46 <digitx> #echo hoi deja_vu 
14:46 <armabot> hoi deja_vu
14:47  * deja_vu hits digitx kindly :P
14:48 <digitx> digitx?
14:48 <digitx> where ?
14:49 -!- deja_vu [n=deja_vu@Q4ddc.q.pppool.de] has quit ["leaving"]
15:23 <madmax|pt> http://www.jarrattmoody.com/intonation.html ← those familiar with Pulp Fiction will like this
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15:48 <Lackadaisical> nice
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15:52 <digitx> #serverinfo place
15:52 <armabot> digitx: Norm's Place: Players (10/12): DrHouse, ehird, ICE BEAR, psychopunch, WLR, WOSTY, wouter, |L2K| WarzeMan, ~{GP}~dreher, ~{GP}~noname
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16:17 <pavelo> hi ghab
16:18 <ghableska> hi pavelo
16:18 <ghableska> is the ladle today?
16:18 <pavelo> yes
16:18 <ghableska> good luck :)
16:19 -!- [dlh] [n=[dlh]@c-76-19-206-67.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #armagetron
16:19 <pavelo> thx :)
16:19 <ghableska> hi [dlh]
16:20 <[dlh]> hey
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17:09 <MrBougo> yello
17:22 <digitx> yello
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17:46 <MrBougo> bye
17:46 -!- MrBougo [n=MrBougo@ip-62-235-243-2.dsl.scarlet.be] has left #armagetron ["AZERTY IN YOUR... eye"]
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17:58 <ghableska> #serverdetails ess caf
17:58 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (17/32): -=[@Lex]=-, ainbnnd, Andrea -=*, ArmaBot, Canada, CT|orly?, gArIsImO, Karen, Keenan, Lackadaisical, Magic, Ossi, safariskater, Seraph, Slurm, t.F|Plage, ~luAp~
17:59 -!- GodTodd [n=GodTodd@cpe-72-190-92-193.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron
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18:10 <[dlh]> #bigbrother eggcozy
18:11 <[dlh]> #seen eggcozy
18:11 <armabot> [dlh]: eggcozy was last seen in #armagetron 12 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours, 22 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <eggcozy> ok
18:11 <[dlh]> bah.
18:11 <[dlh]> #list alias
18:11 <armabot> [dlh]: add, armabot, armaconfig, bigbrother, bug, chatlog, check, dance, date, die, die, digg, do, eliza, f, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, ircstats, joke, kill, lastseen, legit, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, onlineplayers, onlineservers, pacman, piong, poing, praise, q, realchatlogs, remove, resources, rou, roulette, roulete, rules, serverdetails, serverinfo, (1 more message)
18:11 <[dlh]> #more
18:11 <armabot> [dlh]: svn, t, uberinsult, unlock, and wikipedia
18:11 <armabot> [dlh]: timed out
18:11 <Lackadaisical> #lastseen eggcozy
18:12 <[dlh]> it would be nice to have him for the matches today.
18:12 <armabot> Lackadaisical: ?	eggcozy has last been seen on °¯ps Arena  ~~~ Team Sumo ~~~ 7 days 2 hours 37 minutes ago.
18:12 <Lackadaisical> yes
18:12 <Lackadaisical> you are nemo right?
18:12 <[dlh]> yeah
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18:26 <_Sticky_> #lastseen rico
18:27 <armabot> _Sticky_: ¦×¥Rico has last been seen on Fortress Café 0 days 16 hours 4 minutes ago.
18:34 <mkzelda> #lastseen ~&@!#({+})#!@&~
18:34 <armabot> mkzelda: ~*SP*~ ØMÊgÀ seems to be on °¯ps Arena  ~~~ Team Sumo ~~~ right now.
18:34 <epsy> xD
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18:35 <mkzelda> rofl
18:39 <mkzelda> #lastseen ~&@!#({+})#!@&~
18:39 <armabot> mkzelda: ~/EF\~losWochos seems to be on Strawberry Fields right now.
18:43 <mkzelda> im playing w/ that name right now
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18:49 <joda_bot> hi
18:51 <Lackadaisical> hi joda
18:57 <joda_bot> hi Lackadaisical
18:57 <joda_bot> oh right, it's still an hour until we start right
18:57 <joda_bot> ?
18:57 <joda_bot> just forgot to add the +1 for GMT+1 :-)
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19:08 <wrtlprnft> umm, if TM is playing we need a server admin
19:08 <wrtlprnft> because I won't be there :s
19:09 <Canada> Hello, peeps
19:10 <wrtlprnft> hi
19:11 <epsy> damn i'm trying to install joomla
19:12 <epsy> i can login, but there is an account i cant loggin with
19:12 <epsy> only admin account works. heh
19:12 <wrtlprnft> epsy: are you in the ladle?
19:13 <epsy> no
19:13 <Canada> do i need to make a new account on http://durka.freehostia.com/tst3.php, if i already have one on DDL.notlong.com
19:13 <epsy> but i wont have time to do admin :/
19:13 <wrtlprnft> :s
19:14 <Canada> wait, nvm just checked same address 
19:18 <spidey> wrtlprnft, when's the ladle start?
19:18 <[dlh]> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Ladle-9/Challenge_Board
19:19 <wrtlprnft> in 40 minutes
19:19 <spidey> to late to sign up?
19:19 <[dlh]> “All Challenge Boards will be locked at 0:00 am UTC on the day of the event Sunday 4th March.”
19:19 <wrtlprnft> it's not too late to admin my server
19:19 <epsy> wrtlprnft, how many time it's long ?
19:20 <epsy> approx ,
19:20 <wrtlprnft> huh?
19:20  * spidey ment to signup last night but feel asleep
19:20 <spidey> xD
19:20 <wrtlprnft> how many times people will play on my server?
19:20 <epsy> gah
19:20 <epsy> sry poor english
19:20 <wrtlprnft> two times
19:20 <epsy> how long will it be ,
19:20 <epsy> two matches ,
19:20 <epsy> ?
19:20 <epsy> damn this ? key
19:20 <Canada> its 18:00 right now
19:21 <epsy> #time
19:21 <armabot> epsy: 07:32 PM, March 04, 2007
19:21 <epsy> not really
19:21 <Canada> so
19:21 <epsy> 18:30
19:21 <Canada> w/e
19:21 <wrtlprnft> did I already mention that armabot is GMT+1
19:21 <wrtlprnft> ?
19:21 <spidey> wrtlprnft, admin your server?
19:21 <wrtlprnft> spidey: two or three matches
19:21 <wrtlprnft> spidey: yeah
19:21 <wrtlprnft> i can't be there
19:21 <spidey> i don't see why you don't just lock the server after everyone's in it
19:22 <Canada> if someone gets disconnected ^^
19:22 <epsy> cuz it never happen xD
19:22 <wrtlprnft> spidey: because I can't be there.
19:22 <wrtlprnft> and if the admin gets disconnected (s)he will have a problem
19:23 <spidey> true :S
19:24 <joda_bot> spidey: i guess u might play for 2020 and the tronic monkeys
19:24 <spidey> sign's over :(
19:24 <spidey> i think
19:24  * spidey isn't good with timezones
19:24 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: i've no plan on which server I'll be, but I might be able to admin the server (if I'm on it or have the time)
19:24  * spidey barely knows his own time
19:24 <spidey> :O
19:25 <mkzelda> awww i think wrtl just kicked me
19:25 <mkzelda> hehe
19:25 <[dlh]> ugh, me too
19:25 <[dlh]> or he shut the server down...
19:25 <wrtlprnft> err
19:25 <wrtlprnft> oh
19:25 <wrtlprnft> i was an hour off then
19:25 <wrtlprnft> it's back up
19:25 <mkzelda> too bad i dont wanna go there anymore
19:25 <joda_bot> depends on two factors ... how long SP stays in the tournament or if SP has enough players how long TM stays in ;)
19:26 <spidey> wrtlprnft, i'll admin it if joda can't, if you tell me how to execute this
19:26 <spidey> armagetronad-dedicated: armagetronad-dedicated: cannot execute binary file
19:26 <spidey> :P
19:26 <wrtlprnft> ?
19:26 <joda_bot> spidey:  chmod u+x armagetro-dedicated
19:27 <spidey> [mountaindew]$ chmod u+x armagetronad-dedicated
19:27 <spidey> [mountaindew]$ ./armagetronad-dedicated
19:27 <spidey> -bash: ./armagetronad-dedicated: cannot execute binary file
19:27 <joda_bot> hm, is the dedicated compiled for your OS ?
19:27 <spidey> it's the debian .package
19:27 <[dlh]> $ file armagetronad-dedicated
19:28 <pavelo> what's your arch ?
19:28 <joda_bot> armagetronad-dedicated = armagetronad-dedicated.tar.gz ?
19:28 <joda_bot> or .package ?
19:28 <spidey> hm
19:28  * spidey thinks he sees the problem
19:29 <joda_bot> spidey: go ahead
19:29 <spidey> ?
19:30 <luke-jr_> spidey: Debian doesn't have .packages foo
19:30 <spidey> it's a 64bit os, i was using the 32 bit package
19:30 <spidey> xD
19:30 <spidey> http://beta.armagetronad.net/?product=server&branch=0.2.8&hideold=0&hideold=1&os=Debian&arch=&bitness=_32&format=#download
19:30 <spidey> stfu foo
19:30 <spidey> :D
19:30 <pavelo> i had a feeling that was the problem
19:31 <spidey> luke-jr_, is that a .package i see? :O
19:32 <spidey> if the .package isn't for debian, you need to remove it from the debian tree
19:32 <spidey> :P
19:33 <joda_bot> .package is a autopackage which should install on any linux distribution if the autopackage support is mature at some point
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19:35 <MrBougo> jello
19:35 <spidey> cookies
19:35 <spidey> :D
19:36 <epsy> #time
19:36 <armabot> epsy: 07:47 PM, March 04, 2007
19:36 <MrBougo> wtf spidey? xD
19:36 <spidey> :P
19:37 <joda_bot> does anyone know which server wrtlprnft wants me to admin ?
19:37 <joda_bot> just noticed I'm not clear on that part ;)
19:37 <spidey> fortress cafe i think
19:37 <pavelo> ummm.... his ?
19:37 <joda_bot> oh fine ;)
19:37 <joda_bot> thought so, but wasn't sure ;)
19:38 <MrBougo> lol pavelo
19:38 <MrBougo> congratz joda_bot :p
19:38 <mkzelda> wrtlprnft fortress
19:39  * spidey goes to get a good fortress match in before the ladle starts :O
19:41 <mkzelda> where?
19:41 <spidey> dunno
19:41  * spidey notes wrtlprnft fortress isn't on the server list
19:41 <mkzelda> its way on the bottom
19:41 <pavelo> try wrtlpwnd fortress
19:41 <mkzelda> filter by sucky
19:41 <mkzelda> you'll find it at the top then :D
19:42 <MrBougo> #serverinfo wrtl
19:42 <armabot> MrBougo: wrtlprnft's ladle/tournament fortress: No online players.
19:42 <spidey> wrtlprnft, ladle/tournament fortress?
19:42 <MrBougo> #serverinfo wrtlpwn
19:42 <spidey> emtpy :(
19:42 <armabot> MrBougo: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “wrtlpwn” at the moment, sorry.
19:42 <mkzelda> all forts but ct are empty
19:42 <mkzelda> lets go to wrtl
19:42 <MrBougo> xD
19:42 <MrBougo> im too busy
19:42 <luke-jr_> spidey: what debian tree?
19:42 <spidey> luke-jr_, ?
19:42 <Canada> how can i retrieve AIM logs?
19:42 <MrBougo> hey! yesterday was my 1st tron b-day !
19:42 <MrBougo> #echo Happy Tron B-Day!
19:42 <armabot> Happy Tron B-Day!
19:42 <MrBougo> :D
19:43 <Canada> happy tron birthday
19:43 <spidey> mkzelda, there
19:43 <mkzelda> in canada they dont have aim logs, you have to copy everything down by hand
19:43 <MrBougo> xD canada
19:43 <luke-jr_> omg
19:43 <luke-jr_> when did Canada get back
19:43 <Canada> crap
19:43 <mkzelda> spidey: fort cafe has 5 ppl now
19:43 <MrBougo> wtf mkzelda ??? xD
19:43 <MrBougo> #serverinfo cafe
19:43 <Canada> then i cant prove that Hyphy emailed me that he steals credit cards for a living
19:43 <armabot> MrBougo: Fortress Café: Players (3/32): Cruel, Plu$, t.F|Plage
19:43 <Canada> plus = me
19:43 <luke-jr_> O.o
19:43 <luke-jr_> um
19:43 <MrBougo> hyphy is banned, right?
19:44 <luke-jr_> IIRC
19:44 <luke-jr_> someone help Canada get his logs plz
19:44 <luke-jr_> who here uses AIM?
19:44 <Canada> lol
19:44 <mkzelda> me
19:44 <mkzelda> but not the official aol one
19:44 <MrBougo> i dont
19:44 <Canada> it was about 2 weeks ago
19:44 <luke-jr_> unfortunately, I'm screwed either way, but proof lets me shut down his servers
19:45 <Canada> the last chat i had over im was with hyphy that time, dont use IM that much
19:45 <luke-jr_> Canada: I'll find them if you run a FTP server or smth :p
19:46 <joda_bot> luke-jr_: me
19:46 <Canada> i'll try, if you tell me how lol
19:46 <Canada> lol
19:46 <luke-jr_> joda_bot: can you help Canada find AIM logs?
19:46 <luke-jr_> plz
19:46 <Canada> my Aim is Bass Fl3a if you need it
19:46 <joda_bot> luke-jr_: depends on his client I guess... I use AIM protocol not the client
19:46 <Canada> hyphy's is Aliencrazy16
19:47 <MrBougo> yee! let's spam!
19:47 <luke-jr_> http://en.typsoft.com/download.php?prog=tfs
19:47 <MrBougo> or not...
19:47 <luke-jr_> install that
19:47 <luke-jr_> or actually
19:47 <luke-jr_> better yet
19:47 <Canada> kk
19:47 -!- Rico [n=5442281c@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
19:47 <luke-jr_> dont
19:47 <MrBougo> lol luke
19:47 <Canada> ok, what do i download then
19:47 <Canada> :P
19:48 <luke-jr_> http://superb-west.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/vnc-tight/tightvnc-1.2.9-setup.exe
19:48 <Canada> kk
19:48 <Rico> canada smells
19:48 <luke-jr_> this way, I can remote control your PC to find it, and you can supervise me and make sure i don't do anything bad :p
19:48 <MrBougo> hehe a vnc
19:48 <Canada> downloading right now
19:48 <Rico> :D
19:48 -!- Canada [n=484b21b2@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has quit ["CGI:IRC (EOF)"]
19:49 <luke-jr_> wtf
19:49 <MrBougo> yea, wtf indeed
19:49 <MrBougo> haha, he can supervize
19:50 <Rico> need to find a better client brb
19:50 <MrBougo> what are you gonna do luke, some macro program? so he doesnt have the time to kick you?
19:50 -!- Rico [n=5442281c@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has quit [Client Quit]
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19:50 -!- Arma58 is now known as Canada
19:50 <MrBougo> wb :p
19:50 <luke-jr_> Canada: wtf?
19:50 <MrBougo> yea, wtf?
19:50 <Canada> the download had error, so i have to download threw firefox
19:50 <Canada> can you post link again
19:50 <luke-jr_> #last --with http
19:50 <armabot> luke-jr_: [19:59:26] <luke-jr_> http://superb-west.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/vnc-tight/tightvnc-1.2.9-setup.exe
19:50 <Canada> internet exploreer bugs a ton
19:50 <Canada> kk
19:50 <MrBougo> nice!
19:51 <MrBougo> #last --with kewl
19:51 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 30152 messages.
19:51 <MrBougo> 30152 messages, whew
19:51 <[dlh]> #help last
19:51 <armabot> [dlh]: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)
19:52 <MrBougo> #more
19:52 <armabot> MrBougo: match; --nolimit returns all the messages that can be found. By default, the channel this command is given in is searched.
19:52 <Canada> its downloading now
19:52 <MrBougo> what os are you using canada.?
19:52 <Canada> os?
19:52 <epsy> wingblows, he uses IE
19:52 <[dlh]> #last --regexp .* --nolimit
19:52 <armabot> [dlh]: Error: '.*' is not a valid regular expression.
19:53 <Canada> i use IE, but firefox when it has error reports
19:53 <Lackadaisical> someone call my name when we need to play
19:54 -!- Arma20 [n=Arma20@pool-72-75-33-178.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #armagetron
19:54 <MrBougo> <troll> so you're using firefox all the time?
19:54 -!- Arma20 is now known as Canadaa
19:54 <MrBougo> (sorry)
19:54 <Canadaa> #last --with html
19:54 <armabot> Canadaa: [15:34:29] <madmax|pt> http://www.jarrattmoody.com/intonation.html ← those familiar with Pulp Fiction will like this
19:54 <MrBougo> lol dlh
19:54 <MrBougo> .* is valid, isnt it?
19:54 <Canadaa> wtf is that
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19:55 <MrBougo> lol canada
19:55 <MrBougo> http, not html
19:55 -!- Arma26 is now known as Rico
19:55 -!- Canada [n=Arma58@pool-72-75-33-178.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit ["Bye!"]
19:55 <MrBougo> wtf?
19:55 <Canadaa> kk
19:55 <Canadaa> #last --with http
19:55 <armabot> Canadaa: [20:06:21] <MrBougo> http, not html
19:55 <Canadaa> you suck lol
19:55 -!- Rico [n=Arma26@user-5442281c.l6.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit]
19:56 <MrBougo> rofl canadaa
19:56 <MrBougo> #last --with http:
19:56 <armabot> MrBougo: [19:59:26] <luke-jr_> http://superb-west.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/vnc-tight/tightvnc-1.2.9-setup.exe
19:56 <MrBougo> here you are
19:56 <Canadaa> thanks
19:56 -!- Rico [n=rico@user-5442281c.l6.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #armagetron
19:56 <Rico> stupid isp
19:56 <MrBougo> xD
19:57 <Rico> hi ;p
19:57 <MrBougo> jello
19:57 <luke-jr_> I use Konqueror
19:57 <luke-jr_> screw IE and Firefox
19:57 <Canadaa> if it doesnt work on fire fox, i'll use opera
19:57 <luke-jr_> they're both buggy, slow, and bloated
19:57 <Rico> firefox is teh suckzorz
19:58 <luke-jr_> Konqueror forever!
19:58 <luke-jr_> unless someone writes a better one...
19:58 <Rico> heh
19:58 <mkzelda> i like konqueror but i get a lot of probs w/ it
19:58 <Rico> there a site for konqueror?
19:58 <Rico> i want a look ;p
19:58 <luke-jr_> The problems I get with Konqueror I also get with Firefox
19:58 <mkzelda> kde.org :D
19:58 <Rico> thx
19:58 <mkzelda> i get a lot of render errors
19:58 <luke-jr_> no mk
19:59 <luke-jr_> http://www.konqueror.org/
19:59 <MrBougo> i dont like konqueror
19:59 <MrBougo> iwonder why
19:59 <mkzelda> i have xhtml strict code, and it doesnt render right in konqueror
19:59 <MrBougo> i feel uncomfortable using it
19:59 <Canadaa> Luke, successfully downloaded i believe, what now
19:59 -!- Canadaa is now known as Canada
19:59 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: are you passing the correct Content-type?
19:59 <luke-jr_> Canada: install it
19:59 <xfroggy> #seen ossi
19:59 <armabot> xfroggy: I have not seen ossi.
19:59 <mkzelda> ya, its just a few anomalies here and there
19:59 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: and have the doctype?
19:59 <mkzelda> ya
20:00 <Rico> #lastseen zop
20:00 <armabot> Rico: ZoPhIsTiC has last been seen on Super  Duck Hyphy N a n o Fortress!! 7 minutes ago.
20:00 <mkzelda> it wouldnt validate properly w/o it
20:00 <Canada> it told me to update tightvnc, i did, now i'm confused
20:00 <luke-jr_> so Content-Type: text/xml+xhtml or such
20:00 <luke-jr_> not text/html
20:00 <MrBougo> #last
20:00 <armabot> MrBougo: [20:11:18] <luke-jr_> not text/html
20:00 <luke-jr_> Canada: what's your IP?
20:00 <Canada> i havnt memorized it, brb
20:00 <luke-jr_> Canada: start TightVNC
20:00 <mkzelda> most of them are font and placement related
20:00 <luke-jr_> maybe your doc is wrong :p
20:01 <Canada>
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20:01 <xfroggy> Ooo
20:01 <luke-jr_> Canada: TightVNC server running?
20:01 <xfroggy> that was ossi!
20:01 <Canada> 1 sec
20:01 <Mkbkd> IM
20:01 <Mkbkd> xD
20:01 <luke-jr_> Mkbkd: wtf r u
20:02 <Mkbkd> imaa ossi %$)
20:02 <Rico> lol
20:02 <madmax|pt> Canada?
20:02 <Mkbkd> i kni=ow
20:02 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: my problems with KHTML are related to printing
20:02 <Canada> now it is luke
20:02 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: I use XHTML/CSS3 for publishing books
20:02 -!- zmanuel is now known as z-man
20:02 <joda_bot> lol 21 players on cafee
20:02 <luke-jr_> Canada: set the password to 'ljpass'
20:02 <MrBougo> ladle?
20:02 <Mkbkd> nooe
20:02 <Canada> ok
20:03 <Mkbkd> pe*
20:03 <Mkbkd> just palay
20:03 <Rico> #join arma-ladle
20:03 <armabot> Rico: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
20:03 <Rico> oops
20:03 <Rico> heh
20:03 <Mkbkd> play*
20:03 <Canada> k, done
20:03 <MrBougo> joda_bot : is it because of the ladle?
20:03 <z-man> whoops, banned myself from my own server
20:03 <MrBougo> omg you rock
20:03 <Canada> lol z man
20:03 <luke-jr_> Canada: do you have a firewall?
20:03 <Canada> its off
20:03 <MrBougo> yee! hack!
20:03 <Canada> i think, let me check
20:03 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@unaffiliated/madmaxpt/x-23911] has quit ["Gone."]
20:04 <luke-jr_> actually...
20:04 <Canada> yep its off
20:04 <luke-jr_> Right click the VNC icon in your system tray
20:04 <luke-jr_> Add New Client
20:04 <luke-jr_> Host: two.tsurukikun.dashjr.org
20:04 <Canada> should i x out VNC server
20:04 <luke-jr_> O.o
20:05 <luke-jr_> just add new client thign
20:05 <MrBougo> #more
20:05 <armabot> MrBougo: <luke-jr_> Konqueror forever!, [20:09:14] <CIA-15> gentoo: (Portage version: 2.1.2-r9), [20:09:14] <CIA-15> gentoo: stable x86; bug 148424, [20:09:14] <CIA-15> gentoo: opfer * gentoo-x86/x11-drivers/ati-drivers/ (ati-drivers-8.28.8-r1.ebuild ChangeLog):, [20:09:06] <Rico> firefox is teh suckzorz, [20:08:50] <luke-jr_> they're both buggy, slow, and bloated, [20:08:49] (27 more messages)
20:05 <MrBougo> oops
20:05 <Rico> meh
20:05 <luke-jr_> #more MrBougo 
20:05 <armabot> luke-jr_: Error: MrBougo has no public mores.
20:06 <Mkbkd> #time
20:06 <armabot> Mkbkd: 08:17 PM, March 04, 2007
20:06 <MrBougo> lol luke
20:06 <MrBougo> its private
20:06 <MrBougo> #more
20:06 <armabot> MrBougo: <Canadaa> if it doesnt work on fire fox, i'll use opera, [20:08:34] <luke-jr_> screw IE and Firefox, [20:08:32] <luke-jr_> I use Konqueror, [20:08:12] <MrBougo> jello, [20:08:07] <Rico> hi ;p, [20:08:00] <MrBougo> xD, [20:07:56] <Rico> stupid isp, [20:07:53] <CIA-15> kss: reebalazs * r39917 kukit.js/kukit/oper.js: Add logging for client actions, [20:07:48] <Canadaa> thanks, (26 more messages)
20:06 <Canada> is that under user settings, luke
20:06 <Mkbkd> >_> 13min 
20:06 <luke-jr_> Canada: no
20:06 <MrBougo> #serverinfo cafe
20:06 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@bl4-198-31.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #armagetron
20:06 <armabot> MrBougo: Fortress Café: Players (16/32): *&^%(Sigh Co.)%, -+$P+-<y<lo, Administrator, Canada, CT|orly?, CT~Voodoo, G5, Legit, nemostultae, Ossi, Pez, ]\ ]L ]F ñ, ~*SP*~PsYkO, ~*SP*~viper~, ¦fa¦ªspidey»	Go, ¦×¥ FoFo
20:06 <luke-jr_> Canada: see the icon in your system tray?
20:06 <MrBougo> whew
20:06 <Canada> whats it under
20:06 <MrBougo> 16 zomg
20:06 <luke-jr_> right click on that
20:06 <Canada> lol bougo stfu
20:06 <luke-jr_> it's on the menu
20:06 <MrBougo> ima play 10 minutes
20:06 <madmax|pt> did 2020 show up yet?
20:06 <luke-jr_> no
20:07 <Canada> brb ganna get out of cafe
20:07 <[dlh]> (
20:07 <[dlh]> no
20:07 <[dlh]> (
20:07 <[dlh]> )
20:07 <luke-jr_> madmax|pt didn't show up either
20:07 <luke-jr_> :D
20:07 <Canada> kk, luke whats it under? administration or what
20:07 <luke-jr_> Canada: it's right on the rightclick menu
20:07 <luke-jr_> "Add New Client"
20:08 <Canada> on desktop?
20:08 <luke-jr_> no
20:08 <luke-jr_> system tray
20:09 <Canada> you use a mac? cause theres no system tray on windows i dont think
20:09 <[dlh]> …
20:09 <luke-jr_> ............
20:09 <luke-jr_> Windows invented the system tray
20:09 <luke-jr_> I think
20:09 <Canada> lol
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20:11 <Durka> hi
20:11 <Canada> looked up system tray on help and support... 18 suggestions
20:12 <epsy> luke-jr_, raster(main dev of my WM) hates the system tray spe. huh >.<
20:12 <MrBougo> durka!
20:12 <epsy> hey durka
20:12 <epsy> Durka, i'm about to publish a site for my tron clan...
20:12 <Durka> mk...
20:12 <mkzelda> Durka: Hi!
20:12 <epsy> btw as you're server admin...
20:13 <mkzelda> the party is in cafe
20:13 <Canada> where do i look
20:13 <mkzelda> Durka: are wz fixed @ ww?
20:13 <luke-jr_> Canada: right side of the taskbar
20:13 <Canada> ah, 
20:13 <luke-jr_> where volume, clock etc is
20:13 <Durka> come to zman fort dook
20:13 <mkzelda> k
20:14 <Canada> ah, but add new client isnt one of the options
20:14 <luke-jr_> what is
20:14 <Canada> restore, move, size, minimize, maximize, close
20:15 -!- Rico [n=rico@user-5442281c.l6.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit ["Java user signed off"]
20:15 <MrBougo> ew
20:15 <MrBougo> you clicked the wrong icon
20:15 <Canada> then what do i click
20:16 <MrBougo> you know, on the right side, next to the clock, there's a set of icons without text
20:16 <epsy> Durka, isn't really finished trough: http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/joomlatest/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1 :P
20:16 <Canada> all it says is speech and help
20:16 <Canada> and speach tools
20:16 <Canada> speech
20:16 <MrBougo> you clicked the wrong icon
20:16 <luke-jr_> there's a VNC icon over there, right?
20:16 <Canada> soz cant spell
20:17 <Canada> oh now there
20:17 <MrBougo> byebye
20:17 <MrBougo> i gtg
20:17 <Canada> i had to exit out of VNC
20:17 <Mkbkd> lol /me get ban on zmanfort >_< serv dont like my nick buGzi 
20:17 <MrBougo> have a nice evening
20:17 <MrBougo> why doesnt it?
20:17 <Canada> what do i add luke
20:18 <Canada> whats host name
20:18 <luke-jr_> Host: two.tsurukikun.dashjr.org
20:18 <MrBougo> Mkbkd : why doesnt it?
20:18 <MrBougo> i remember some bugzi
20:18 <MrBougo> ew
20:18 <Mkbkd> OMH ITS ban me for 58 minut >_<
20:18 <MrBougo> ew!
20:18 <Mkbkd> HALP
20:18 <[dlh]> Lackadaisical: join us in 2020's server
20:18 <pavelo> Lackadaisical: Lackadaisical Lackadaisical
20:18 <MrBougo> z-man : Mkbkd needs your help :p
20:18 <Canada> ok, what now luke
20:18 <MrBougo> bye all!
20:19  * Mkbkd slaps Durka around a bit with a large trout
20:19 <epsy> #t french to english match amical
20:19 <Durka> o_O
20:19 <armabot> epsy: friendly match
20:19 <Lackadaisical> kk
20:19 <epsy> ah
20:19 <Mkbkd> Durk. its Ossi 
20:19 <Mkbkd> zman serv ban me T_T
20:19 -!- MrBougo [n=MrBougo@61.36-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has left #armagetron ["thgiN dooG"]
20:19 <Mkbkd> 56 min left
20:19 <spidey> lol
20:20 <luke-jr_> Canada: are you David, Julia, Tami, or Will?
20:20 <Canada> David
20:20 <Mkbkd> T_T
20:20 <xfroggy> ossi!!!
20:20 <xfroggy> XDDD
20:20 <xfroggy> privet!!!
20:21 <Mkbkd> ïðèâà
20:21 <Durka> x come back
20:21 <Durka> to zman fort
20:21 <Durka> u to ossi
20:21 <Mkbkd> ÿ áàí ïîëó÷èë íà ñåðâàêå
20:21 <Mkbkd> DURK I CANT
20:21 <xfroggy> ??????? ?? ?????
20:21 <Mkbkd> serv BAN ME
20:21 <spidey> lmao
20:21 <xfroggy> y menya etovo shrifta nety
20:21 <Mkbkd> =_=
20:21 <xfroggy> =\
20:21 <Mkbkd> blin figovo
20:21 <xfroggy> aga =\
20:22 <Mkbkd> HAL{
20:22 <Mkbkd> P*
20:22 <Canada> luke what now?
20:22 <Durka> why
20:22 <Mkbkd> nick 
20:22 <Mkbkd> BuGzi =_=
20:22 <Mkbkd> serv spam
20:23 <Durka> k
20:23 <Mkbkd> my nick triger bug alarm all time =_=
20:23 <Canada> Luke, are the logs saved on the computer?
20:23  * Mkbkd already change g=6 %)
20:28  * Mkbkd get unban
20:31 <luke-jr_> Canada: I don't know if your AIM version supports logging -.-
20:31 <ghableska> wow, it's crowded in here
20:31 <Canada> wouldnt the logs be on the computer?
20:32 <luke-jr_> if there are logs
20:32 <Canada> its just there are tons of stuff on my computer
20:32 <ghableska> luke-jr_: afaik, AIM has chat logs now
20:32 <luke-jr_> ghableska: he has 5.9
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20:33 <Canada> trying to see if it wouldnt search in itunes, cause theres ton of stuff in there
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20:33 <Canada> i love my music :}
20:34 <luke-jr_> so what exactly did he say?
20:34 <Canada> dont tell anyone but i steal credit cards for a living
20:34 <Canada> and then he said lwl
20:34 <Canada> he cant spell lol
20:34 <luke-jr_> how did it come up?
20:35 <Canada> he wanted a empty bank account
20:35 <Canada> actually
20:35 <Canada> it came up because i asked him if he made his money selling drugs
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20:35 <Canada> he said he made his money stealing credit cards
20:35 <luke-jr_> when was this?
20:35 <Canada> 2/20/07 i think
20:36 <Canada> actually
20:36 <Canada> i can check exact date, 1 sec
20:36 <Nixda980> hi
20:36 <Nixda980> qlooks like things are ok...
20:36 <[dlh]> 2020?
20:36 -!- Canada [n=Arma20@pool-72-75-33-178.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit ["Bye!"]
20:36 -!- Nixda980 is now known as i2020
20:37 <i2020> yes
20:37 <luke-jr_> 2/15/07 is when Google notified me of chargeback
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20:43 <luke-jr_> 2/15/07 is when Google notified me of chargeback
20:43 <Canada> ?
20:43 <luke-jr_> ??
20:44 <Canada> Well, i know that on 2/20/07 is the day  i 'quit' (not really) then made plus and befriended hyphy
20:45 <Canada> Then i found out that then played plus until like friday, 3/3/07 then i played Canada
20:47 <Canada> You there?
20:47 <luke-jr_> ya
20:47 <Canada> kk
20:47 <Canada> Are the logs not there, or what?
20:47 <luke-jr_> AIM 5.9 doesn't seem to log
20:47 <luke-jr_> :/
20:47 <Canada> ok, that kind of sucks. but everyone knows Hyphy's an ass anyways
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20:56  * luke-jr_ pokes Plus / Canada 
20:56  * luke-jr_ got disconnected from VNC
20:57 <Plus> ah, kk what do i run to get you back on again
20:57  * epsy thinks java V§Nc clients sux
20:57 <epsy> *VNC
20:57  * Plus thinks epsy should stfu :P
20:57 <luke-jr_> Add New Client
20:57 <Plus> yep?
20:57 <luke-jr_> epsy: who said anything about java
20:57 <epsy> :P
20:57 <luke-jr_> #last --with two
20:57 <armabot> luke-jr_: [20:29:21] <luke-jr_> Host: two.tsurukikun.dashjr.org
20:58 <luke-jr_> Plus: u changed ur screen size :p
21:00 <Plus> what is gaim?
21:00 <luke-jr_> like aim
21:00 <luke-jr_> but it doesn't suck
21:00 <Plus> ah
21:00 <Plus> kk
21:00 <epsy> gaim sux...lol
21:01 <epsy> try to use jabber with it ...
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21:01 <mkzelda> in our match everyone is waiting for the winzone hehe
21:01 <luke-jr_> epsy: ?
21:03 <epsy> luke-jr_, ?
21:05 <Plus> i dont know the pass...
21:05 <Plus> lmao
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21:34 <i2020> wow...
21:34 <madmax|pt> :/
21:35 <epsy> ?
21:35 <i2020> thanks for playing max, legit, g5 zman, ... who else?
21:35 <i2020> qoh yes wrtl
21:35 <madmax|pt> could have been better
21:35 <zman> I died too often :(
21:35 <i2020> others in the team could ahve been... like me :)
21:35 <i2020> we all have to die sometime...
21:35 <madmax|pt> You need to practice zman :P
21:36 <epsy> damn where's the board
21:36 <[dlh]> status update: ?? beats |x|
21:36 <madmax|pt> good games anyway
21:36 <i2020> thanks again zman for the game...
21:36 <epsy> #last --with wiki
21:36 <armabot> epsy: [19:30:01] <[dlh]> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Ladle-9/Challenge_Board
21:36 <i2020> superb games...
21:36 <i2020> was it recorded?
21:36 <Lackadaisical> pfff
21:36 <Lackadaisical> incredibly laggy game
21:36 <madmax|pt> where was it?
21:36 <[dlh]> 2020's
21:36 <Lackadaisical> cycles werent updated for 3 seconds at atime
21:36 <pavelo> 2020's
21:36 <madmax|pt> :S
21:36 <i2020> there was a superb end of round showdown between you and psyko...
21:36 <pavelo> what's next ?
21:37 <Lackadaisical> who won?
21:37 <Lackadaisical> we are playing tui/freakz in zman
21:37 <madmax|pt> SP
21:37 <i2020> sp beat tm 2-1
21:37 <madmax|pt> hm, dont think it was recorded
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21:37 <[dlh]> That first match was a little iffy...
21:37 <epsy> so..oops vs SP
21:37 <i2020> what results are in...?
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21:38 <Lackadaisical> 2-1 ?? vs |x|
21:38 <_Sticky_> yup
21:38 <Lackadaisical> is oops playing?
21:38 <_Sticky_> very good game x vs ??
21:38 <[dlh]> um, according to the scheduled time, we were supposed to start awhile ago.
21:38 <[dlh]> for the semi finals
21:39 -!- Super_Duck [n=48c9461e@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
21:39 <[dlh]> Guess I'll just go to z-man's right now then...
21:39 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p508725E8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
21:40 <Lackadaisical> its full
21:40 -!- zman is now known as z-man
21:40 <Lackadaisical> not really full
21:40 <i2020> what about the freaks and tui?
21:40 <Lackadaisical> but alot of people waiting till the match is done (freakz vs tui)
21:40 <epsy> damn, semi finals are, ?? vs ??, °° vs SP
21:40 <Lackadaisical> in third match
21:40 <epsy> ??
21:40 <z-man> ?? vs themselves?
21:40 <i2020> perhaps we should have losers games?
21:40 <Lackadaisical> lol no
21:40 <Lackadaisical> other team isnt known yet
21:41 <z-man> ah
21:41 <Lackadaisical> ?? vs tui/freakz
21:41 <z-man> we should reestablish the winzones, matches are taking too long ;)
21:41 <spidey> ew
21:41 <spidey> w/z sucks :P
21:41 <Lackadaisical> everybody is having a better defense these days
21:42 <Super_Duck> that would amke sp good then
21:42 <madmax|pt> "matches are taking too long"
21:42 <pavelo> i2020: problem is that losing team gets demotivated and disperges
21:42 <madmax|pt> indeed
21:42 <Lackadaisical> is sp already playing oops?
21:42 <spidey> from what i've seen, with w/z there's always people camping in the center waiting for it
21:42 <spidey> :P
21:42 <pavelo> its hard to organize game then
21:42 <i2020> true... maybe for next time...?
21:42 <madmax|pt> i think i got nervous with that patience round against kenny, it was taking damn long
21:42 <epsy> why not a dz...
21:42 <madmax|pt> and no 'risk' at all
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21:43 <Super_Duck> it was hellblades fault!
21:43  * epsy considers it isn't time to change cfg
21:43 <joda_bot> i2020: hi
21:43 <Super_Duck> lol
21:43 <i2020> hi
21:43 <madmax|pt> heh not really. but its annoying
21:43 <epsy> wb 
21:43 <joda_bot> i2020: is there any rule about playing for two teams ?
21:43 <joda_bot> I just want to make sure
21:43 <i2020> true... regarding the defence taking so long... such good players... amazing
21:43 <joda_bot> I won't play for SP because I played for TM
21:43 <i2020> don't think so...
21:43 <joda_bot> so that would be fine ?
21:43 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig cockpit_file
21:43 <armabot> wrtlprnft: COCKPIT_FILE: File that contains the information for rendering cockpit gauges (default: Anonymous/standard-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml)
21:43 <i2020> no..., go ahead... nice to have a full 8v8 game
21:44 <joda_bot> k
21:44 <joda_bot> hmmm
21:44 <i2020> less rules the better.. : )
21:44 <madmax|pt> when it takes too long I just have to ... DO something >.<
21:44 <i2020> thanks joda :)
21:44 <madmax|pt> well, sometimes that goes badly though
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21:44 <i2020> i know... exciting to watch...
21:44 <madmax|pt> who's playing SS now?
21:44 <Lackadaisical> noone yet
21:45 <i2020> the tui freaks must have started late...
21:45 <Lackadaisical> tui or freaks
21:45 <Lackadaisical> we started late too
21:45 <i2020> qlike, really late
21:45 <i2020> could be an hour behind....
21:45 <[dlh]> tui is going to win.
21:45 <pavelo> if we're about to start, please let me know
21:46 <Pez> they still on first match?
21:46 <i2020> who is you pav...?
21:46 <Lackadaisical> third
21:46 <Pez> ok
21:46 <Lackadaisical> somethingsomething
21:46 <i2020> still....? wow...
21:46 <i2020> ah
21:46 <pavelo> i2020: ??
21:46 <Lackadaisical> since the spoon :P
21:46 <[dlh]> match is over...
21:46 <madmax|pt> dinner. good luck on the next matches
21:46 <Lackadaisical> ok lets go
21:46 <Lackadaisical> bon apetit max
21:46 <i2020> good dinner to you mad, you deserve it...
21:46 <Mkbkd> yaaahhooo %$)
21:47 <i2020> so, what's the result for freaks and tui?
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21:47 <Mkbkd> tui 2 fk 1
21:47 <Durka> hi
21:47 <Durka> ftw
21:48 <wrtlprnft> the result of sp vs oops will probably 2:0
21:48 <epsy> Durka, so ?
21:48 <Durka> ...
21:48 <epsy> -.- <Mkbkd> tui 2 fk 1
21:48 <z-man> Team ?? please assemble on my server!
21:48 <epsy> damn i'm still stuck on that CMS thing...
21:49 <i2020> challenge board changed... :)
21:49 <spidey> ewww @ cms
21:49 <spidey> :P
21:49 <Durka> z-man: did u get what i said about the winzone?
21:49 <i2020> say, zman, do you play often?
21:49 <i2020> actually, where is the winzone?
21:50 <Lucifer_arma>  /team I'm a torpedo!
21:50 <Lucifer_arma>  /team Me too!
21:50 <[dlh]> hah
21:50 <i2020> ???
21:50 <spidey> rofl
21:52 <wrtlprnft> i'll bet 50 quid on 2:0 for sp.
21:52 <Super_Duck> duh everyone knows they suck xD
21:52 <spidey> lol
21:52  * spidey needs to play fort more
21:52  * spidey sucks
21:53 <spidey> :O
21:53 <epsy> gtg now...
21:54 <wrtlprnft> woot!
21:54 <wrtlprnft> °°ps won a round.
21:54 <_Sticky_> whats the latest then??
21:54 <mkzelda> Durka: where are you?
21:54 <epsy> cya
21:54 <_Sticky_> so oops ve tui atm??
21:55 <[dlh]> i2020, what are the rules for when one team has more players?
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21:55 <Super_Duck> oops double grinder keeps dieing cus they grind too hard on them xD
21:56 <_Sticky_> so the remaining teams are tui,(oops/sp) and ss then??
21:57 <Super_Duck> yeah but oops wont be remaining very long
21:57 <wrtlprnft> [dlh]: i think every team can have up to 8 players, regardless of the other team's size
21:57 <wrtlprnft> °°ps are out.
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21:58 <digitx> hey
21:59 <digitx> :)
21:59 <wrtlprnft> hi
22:00 <wrtlprnft> just in time for the ladle finals
22:00 <digitx> yakuake rulz
22:00 <digitx> :D
22:00 <i2020> what was the result of the oop sp game...?
22:02 <wrtlprnft> 2:0
22:02 <wrtlprnft> for sp
22:03 <wrtlprnft> it was slaughter.
22:03 <i2020> you get the answer dlh? the idea is for the teams to sort it out between themselves... if the team with more want to reduce their number out of a sense of fair play they can, but are not forced to
22:03 <i2020> oh thanks wrtl... and you managed to admin and play this time pretty well.... or am i mistaken?
22:05 <spidey> <3 chicken
22:05 <spidey> :O
22:06 <spidey> i2020, that's a bad idea :P
22:06 <spidey> look how the tourny ady-lucifer hosted turned out, teams where totally stacked, and most hated it :P
22:07 <Lucifer_arma> and ran at a time that essentially put any non-european team at a severe disadvantage
22:07 <Lucifer_arma> and ran on a server that put any non-european team at a severe disadvantage
22:07 <spidey> at most
22:07 <Lucifer_arma> and anybody who complained was a wussy American whiner
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22:08 <spidey> the team with more players should be allowed to only play with the amount of players the team with less signed up with, regaurdless of how many players the team with less actually got on the server
22:08 <Lucifer_arma> I think the ladle, afaik, has a good alternative to the problem by letting people recruit teammates at the last minute
22:08 <spidey> yea
22:09 <Lucifer_arma> so the team with less players can still field as many, and for people who play together often, it should work out most of the time
22:09 <cyclo> hey, will zman open the server before sp match starts??
22:09 <cyclo> yödl btw xD
22:09 <Lucifer_arma> the twc explicitly forbade last minute recruiting
22:09 <spidey> and is why it failed horribly
22:09 <spidey> because noone likes to play 4 vs 12
22:10 <i2020> i don't see the need for inventing these rules...
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> exactly.  :)  It would have been nice if a good handicap system had been worked out
22:10 <i2020> just leave it to the players to sort it out :)
22:10 <i2020> max of 8 players...
22:10 <spidey> that's the best way
22:10 <i2020> most players are reasonable...
22:10 <spidey> but ady didn't think so :P
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> well, that's the fundamental difference between twc and ladle.  twc made a bunch of rules that forbid teams from doing things, ladle leaves it up to the players
22:11 <Lucifer_arma> you'll note that you're playing ladle 9 now, and the second twc has been a start and stop affair, mostly stop
22:11 <i2020> yes... that was the original idea... self-organisation... it is based on trust
22:11 <Lucifer_arma> you got it going, i2020, now we just need more players.  :)
22:11 <i2020> and i have been late to these things recently, and it seems to be running pretty well
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> I'd be willing to bet that you could disappear for a couple of months, and ladles 10 and 11 would still run ;)
22:12 <i2020> yes, i believe that's the basic problem now... we have a bunch of skilled players, and new players just get wasted too easily and kicked in informal games
22:12 <i2020> is that an offer luci?
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> no!
22:12 <spidey> andhaha
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> at least, it's not an offer for *me* to do anything :)
22:12 <spidey> -and
22:13 <i2020> :)
22:13 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, Lackadaisical (hi there!) : whenever you find a few minutes, would you mind updating the KOTG blurb page I made to have actual useful information on it?
22:13 <spidey> i volunteer wrtlprnft for the job
22:13 <spidey> :D:D
22:13 <cyclo> :(  zman's is still closed
22:13  * Lucifer_arma hopes he didn't just cause lack to die in a ladle match
22:13 <i2020> yes, the problem, is the skill gap... it is about as large from a noob to me as it is from me to madmax -- just crazy...
22:13 <spidey> lol 
22:13 <Lackadaisical> MaZuffeR: z-mansi did?
22:14 <Lucifer_arma> i2020: I think we'll have something resembling a fix in time.  It's on my todo list that when we have settled on scripting, I want to write ais for fortress play
22:14 <Lucifer_arma> then it would be nice to run a humans vs ai tournament, because we'll have the reference players z-man wants for good stats!  ;)
22:14 <i2020> ... handicap system... hmmm... like in go... there is a brilliant handicap system... hmmmm
22:15 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, make me a afk bot that pwns :D
22:15 <cyclo> lack -> are you inside z-man server?
22:15 <Lucifer_arma> basically, in the twc, we played 5 v 9 or something like that, and the first two matches were hardcore struggles with the other team barely winning each round
22:15 <i2020> wow, yes, ai's playing...
22:15 <Lucifer_arma> they wound up winning the matches with respectable margins, but they had to work for every round
22:15 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, we did awesome in that game
22:16 <spidey> concidering the odds
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> a good handicap system would have given us one of the matches at least, possibly the whole game
22:16 <spidey> if the teams where even they'd lost every round
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> and woud have made it more fun for us :)
22:16 <i2020> when i was walking to the cafe i am playing in, i was thinking i would play with madmax... just us two against all of the sp... i was psyching myself up...
22:17 <cyclo> anyways Lackadaisical _> if u read this tell z-man to unlock his server pls
22:18 <i2020> you guys haven't let much info on the tronic progression... it's related to the idea of getting new players in... once that is sorted out, if we hit on some genius idea, i suspect this will stay pretty small
22:18 <z-man> unlocked
22:18 <cyclo> thx :x
22:18 <z-man> wait, arent' you on SP?
22:18 <i2020> good luck sp
22:18 <cyclo> ya
22:18 <cyclo> did it start?
22:18 <z-man> no, not yet
22:18 <cyclo> oh sorry then
22:18 <cyclo> rxD
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> ?  can you rewrite that sentence in more american english?  ;)
22:19 <z-man> I'll give a notice here when it starts
22:19 <cyclo> ok thx
22:19 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, whose?
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> i2020's
22:19 <spidey> i understood it..
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> I thought I did, but it happens to have the britishisms that manage to confuse me from time to time :/
22:20 <spidey> he's saying unless something big happens, it will stay a small tourny every ladle
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> ok, the first part
22:20 <cyclo> ever thought on how we could get sponsors for arma?
22:20 <i2020> hehehe yes... thanks for the translation
22:20 <i2020> what's the something big?
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> no, the part that says "You guys haven't let much info..."
22:21 <i2020> left...
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> ah, typo, then?  ;)
22:21 <i2020> sorry, spelling mistake....
22:21 <spidey> noone's spreading the word? :O
22:21  * madmax|pt loves the aftermath of the ladles
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> I've given you guys everything I know, sorry.  :/
22:21 <i2020> heheh why madmax... the chaos on the servers? or the chat afterwards...
22:21 <madmax|pt> the chat
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> I think what you're finding is that without a really big idea, you're going to need coding support to push it up a bit
22:22 <madmax|pt> usually, wise things are said
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> I've got some ideas, but not enough time to implement them
22:22 <i2020> heheh... yes... i usually end up really fucked off... but even though we lost today, i feel ok... 
22:22 <madmax|pt> it was a good effort :)
22:22 <i2020> i don't think it is a technical thing, luci, with respect...
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> not surprisingly, the coding support I'm wanting to offer (or talk someone else into offering) is in the form of extensions to mediawiki
22:22 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft:  once the match is done, can SP get room for Sasha, Xell, me and Dopey (not sure who he is)
22:22 <Super_Duck> u playin next ladle too madmax?
22:23 <joda_bot> but we got 4 players who can't join the server right now
22:23 <joda_bot> z-man-work: z-man: wrtlprnft: got me ?
22:23 <madmax|pt> dont know yet. if i have the time, i think so
22:23 <cyclo> btw max nice def in 1st match
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> i2020: I'm thinking more tournaments besides the ladle to offer more variety is what's needed, and to help push that we need more support for people organizing tournaments
22:23 <i2020> you are going to be the most sought after player...
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, more tournaments in general should feed back into one another
22:24 <cyclo> do u guys know the -elo- rating system from chess? it could be nice to implement somthing alike for arma
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> the problem with coding support is that once it's there, it requires a programmer to change.  The nice thing about how the ladle is using the wiki is that you can tweak your methods every time
22:25 <i2020> good idea luci... i passed the idea past crazy tronners to produce a similar ladle thing with their server settings.... but they haven't carried the idea...
22:25  * Lucifer_arma has been following the ladle feedbacks, in case nobody's guessed, to see what he can do to the wiki to help
22:25  * madmax|pt would love to playt a small team fortress championship
22:25 <i2020> for me, i think the fortress settings are classic, but you know what my thoughts are about it already...
22:26  * Lucifer_arma thinks 3 v 3 are the best games :)
22:26 <madmax|pt> and yes, championship, not one day knockout
22:26 <[dlh]> update: tui 0 -- ?? 2
22:26 <Lucifer_arma> so you want a regular seed round like we did the with spoon?
22:26 <i2020> i think a league would be good... perhaps kings of the grid might float...
22:27 <madmax|pt> yes like a league
22:27 <Lackadaisical> maybe we should do a league instead of kings of the grid
22:27 <i2020> thanks dlh... that's it over, isn't it?
22:27 <z-man> Server is open, SP join!!!!!
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> if we could get lack to quit disappearing, kotg has a lot of potential.  THere's definitely a lot of interest in it.
22:27 <Mkbkd> =_=
22:27 <xfroggy> ossi :)
22:27 <cyclo> i think 5 vs 5 is optimal -> center def, 2 doublebinders + 2 support wingers
22:27 <madmax|pt> hm, more in the sumo ladder I'd say
22:27 <Mkbkd> PIIIIIII(cenzored)
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> for large team fortress, I agree, 5 v 5 is optimal, but I think 3 v 3 is more fun
22:27 <Mkbkd> kazlbl >_<
22:28 <Lackadaisical> it was kinda of an idea of mine to start with the sumo ladder because its easier to get individuals hooked than groups
22:28 <Mkbkd> baranbl
22:28 <z-man> Server is open, SP join!!!!!
22:28 <madmax|pt> and what a nice idea it turned out :D
22:28 <z-man> Server is open, SP join!!!!!
22:28 <z-man> Server is open, SP join!!!!!
22:28 <z-man> Server is open, SP join!!!!!
22:28 <cyclo> ya, but sumo ladder is tough for people who organize it, i think a rating system like in chess could be implemented for "rated servers"
22:28 <z-man> Shouting a bit, sorry, don't want your chat to keep SP from listening
22:29 <i2020> heheh ok zman
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: np.  :)
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> we don't want our chat to interfere with the ladle either, I'm sure
22:29 <cyclo> rlol
22:29 <i2020> guys... think classic... there is a reason it is 8v8...
22:29 <madmax|pt> are you talking about Elo's cyclo? luke-jr_  was doing something about that...
22:29 <Lackadaisical> because 16 players used to be the max slots?
22:29 <i2020> the smaller settings are like.... play games...
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, most servers can't handle 16 players, it used to be a hardcoded maximum, and split into two teams makes it 8 v 8
22:29 <i2020> base 2
22:29 <Lackadaisical> i think smaller teams could work on a smaller map
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> the 8 v 8 layout was mostly caused by technical needs, heh
22:29 <Lackadaisical> work better
22:29 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: it's still hardcoded :P
22:30 <madmax|pt> 2020... but its hard to gather 8 players often
22:30 <i2020> sure, like indoor football/soccer
22:30 <madmax|pt> and smaller teams → more teams. more diversity I'd say
22:30 <i2020> i agree madmax, but rather than be defeated by that, i think the game is good enough... i think we should be thinking about getting more players in...
22:30 <madmax|pt> perhaps less one sided games too
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> and more likelihood of each team being able to field their whole team
22:30 <i2020> the game is classic... got the right degree of complexity...
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> well, i2020, this goes back to what I was saying earlier.  More tournaments/competitions would feed back on each other.
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> So you guys keep the ladle as you want it, let's get some other competitions going, and it'll feed back into the ladle and vice versa
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22:31 <Lucifer_arma> if everyone just copies the ladle, what's the point of playing anybody's competition in particular?
22:32 <wrtlprnft> TST tournament and kotg (sumo 1v1) are already going on
22:32 <i2020> yes... the trick is though, it will only be the same players.... we need to work out a way of inviting more players into fortress...
22:32 <Durka> 2020
22:32 <Durka> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=148361#148361
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> if someone runs a ctf tournament, I'll bet it would be a different group of players
22:32 <Lackadaisical> we need to work out a way of inviting more players into fortress... <- really ture
22:32  * madmax|pt agrees
22:33 <Durka> !!!!! AHHHH http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=148361#148361
22:33 <Durka> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=148361#148361
22:33 <i2020> yes.. i agree luci... they just haven't set one up...
22:33 <Durka> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=148361#148361
22:33 <madmax|pt> its a tricky objective ><
22:33  * Durka :-(
22:33 <i2020> durka... thanks for the first post, but... there is an american server... you just need to place your team on it on the challenge board...
22:34 <Durka> we have
22:34 <Durka> but ppl refused to play us in there
22:34 <madmax|pt> ...whats the % of rubber/fortress players?
22:34 <Durka> 110/-10
22:34 <i2020> i agree madmax, but that's it... and we can hum and ha, and change what i think is a classic game... but the fact is... playing fortress is intimidating.... and well it should be -- your skills are awesome
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> maybe if the european players would be less whiny about their pings?
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22:35 <madmax|pt> indeed
22:35 <Durka> and what about semi-finals/finals in us server
22:35 <xfroggy> lmao, that was fun
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> the other solution, Durka, is to add more variety to your team
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> get some europeans on your team, basically ;)
22:35 <madmax|pt> i don't that much of a difference playing sumo on a wild west server
22:35 <xfroggy> Lucifer_arma, you mean get rid of US players and replace them by europeans?
22:35 <Durka> because currenly the only us server is wild west
22:36 <Durka> and we would only get to play in that in the quarter finals
22:36 <madmax|pt> of course you usually can't risk as much...
22:36 <Durka> but this is the 1st ladle in a long time that we had a quarter finals
22:36 <luke-jr_> FWIW, I have Elo and Glicko-2 implemented to varying degrees
22:36 <luke-jr_> currently all as post-processing
22:36 <luke-jr_> just finished a PHP libGlicko2 :)
22:36 <luke-jr_> well, "finished" as in it works
22:36 <madmax|pt> acronym level up!
22:37 -!- Nixda980 [n=59f1f3b6@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
22:37 <luke-jr_> what acronym??
22:37 -!- Nixda980 is now known as i2020
22:37 <i2020> ouch
22:37 <madmax|pt> fwiw?
22:37 <luke-jr_> For What It's Worth
22:37 <i2020> did you get the last message...? hiccup online
22:37  * Lucifer_arma pines for the days when it was americans that were whiny about their pings
22:37 <madmax|pt> yes, I found out what it was, so, level up
22:37 <luke-jr_> :p
22:38 <luke-jr_> my tournament will solve the i18n problem!
22:38 <i2020> can we determine what the shelf-life of the game is... wrt the different server styles...?
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> the one you put Hyphy in charge of?
22:38 <luke-jr_> I didn't put Hyphy in charge of anythinbg
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> well, swampland's still going strong...
22:38 <luke-jr_> i2020: eh?
22:38 <luke-jr_> by having 2-3 servers: US, Europe, and maybe Aussie
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22:39 <i2020> i mean... if someone plays rubber, how long do they play before they get bored and stop playing...?
22:39 <digitx> -
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22:39 <i2020> as compared to a fortress player?
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> I have to admit, I'm more interested in ctf these days, and I'd like to get hte hang of styball
22:39 <luke-jr_> and combining the stats for Glicko-2
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> but so many ctf players are asshats...  :/
22:39 <luke-jr_> RESPAWN!!
22:39 <madmax|pt> RERERE OMG RE
22:39 <luke-jr_> i mean
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22:39 <wrtlprnft> ww ctf isn't playable for me
22:39 <luke-jr_> 0x000000RESPAWN!!!
22:39 <digitx> #seen epsy
22:39 <armabot> digitx: epsy was last seen in #armagetron 45 minutes and 6 seconds ago: <epsy> cya
22:39 <madmax|pt> that's already a classic ><
22:39 <i2020> ok... so why not set up a ladle for those two... or something equivalent for those server types?
22:40 <i2020> for me, i am a fortress addict...
22:40  * luke-jr_ is setting up a single-player tourney
22:40 <wrtlprnft> what about a race around the track tourney?
22:40 <i2020> if there is a comp for others, i would probably play too
22:40 <Lucifer_arma> hey, how about wrtlprnft run a tourney for his race server :)
22:40 <luke-jr_> hehe
22:40 <i2020> completely mad hehhe
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> what we really need, and now have enough servers to do, is an Armolympics
22:41 <luke-jr_> how does race work anyhow?
22:41 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: I thought of that a number of month ago, actually
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> you make a team and have it compete in a series of events
22:41 <Durka> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=148391#148391
22:41 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: actually voodoo suggested it
22:41 <i2020> look... what we need is more players! 
22:41  * luke-jr_ doesn't like team competitions tho
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: I still beat you to it, I've been talking off and on about an olympic-style tournament since I started playing
22:41 <Durka> i never see euro players oon ctf
22:41 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: just join and see for yourself?
22:41 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: yeah, but I actually made some specs for it
22:41 <madmax|pt> i think we need... hmm... committed rubber players
22:41 <wrtlprnft> Durka: it's because it's unplayable
22:42 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: that's because the only ctf servers are american, and europeans whine about their pings...
22:42 <Durka> why is it unplayable? o_O
22:42 <Durka> seems just fine for me...
22:42 <wrtlprnft> if you see the shot 300 ms after it's spawned you can't dodge it
22:42 <Lucifer_arma> madmax|pt: I think we need to commit rubber players
22:42 <wrtlprnft> and there's some weird bugs
22:42 <luke-jr_> shot != ctf
22:42 <Durka> wrtl
22:42 <wrtlprnft> ctf w/o shooting = boring
22:42 <Lucifer_arma> no, ctf shooting is pretty boring, imo.  It was a nice novelty one night
22:42 <Durka> stop downloading pr0n
22:42 <Durka> theres no reason u should have 300 ping
22:43 <luke-jr_> someone just needs to fix CTF into 0.3 so 0.3.2 can have a sane CTF
22:43 <Durka> where do u live
22:43 <luke-jr_> allow zones to be positioned based on player location
22:43 <Lucifer_arma> #seen n54
22:43 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: n54 was last seen in #armagetron 37 weeks, 6 days, 19 hours, 2 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <n54> hi mom :)
22:43 <luke-jr_> (or is that already in Zones v2?)
22:43 <wrtlprnft> munich
22:43 <i2020> i liked styball setting too actually... got that tag-thing going on...
22:43 <madmax|pt> well, one thing is certain i think. a player organizing a competition for his own playing style is valuable
22:44 <i2020> more players more players more players hehehe
22:44 <Durka> wrtl
22:44 <Durka> ping me
22:44 <i2020> yes madmax... a whole bunch of players setting up comps for the servers they like.... 
22:44 <Durka> #host
22:44 <Durka> #echo $host
22:44 <armabot> cpe-76-167-238-228.socal.res.rr.com
22:45 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i know
22:45 <wrtlprnft> i can /whois, you know? :P
22:45 <Durka> lemme ping u
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> that ping is going to give a number that's an order of magnitude lower than the corresponding arma ping
22:45 <wrtlprnft> i know
22:45 <Durka> but its still similar
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's not similar
22:45 <Durka> its not 10000 off
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> we've beat this around too much.
22:45 <wrtlprnft> Durka: your router/whatever is not responding to pings.
22:45 <i2020> more players more players more players !!!!!!
22:46 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: tell Durka that he sucks because he's filtering pings.
22:46 <Durka> lol
22:46 <Durka> xD
22:46 <i2020> once i get into a school for a while, i will set up a school team...
22:46 <wrtlprnft> --- cpe-76-167-238-228.socal.res.rr.com ping statistics ---
22:46 <wrtlprnft> 38 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 37003ms
22:46 <madmax|pt> well, how to commit rubber players into organizing their own competitions? and... how many rubber competitions have already been done?
22:46 <Durka> haha!
22:46 <i2020> once that happens... this thing is going to rocket...
22:46 <Lucifer_arma> madmax|pt: no, I meant commit them to state institutions
22:46 <i2020> imagine you clowns getting beaten by a bunch of kids...
22:46 <Lucifer_arma> madmax|pt: for insisting that "rubber" is a gametype, when it's really just a mechanism to get players to quit whining about their pings
22:47 <i2020> what's the better word luci?
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> i2020: quit trying to hit a homerun.  :)  Base hits win games...
22:47 <wrtlprnft> oh, believe me, with instant kills people *are* whining about their pings
22:47 <Durka> no way rubber players could organize a tournament like the ladle
22:47 <Durka> theres this guy qbrain
22:47 <luke-jr_> Durka: filtering pings? you suck
22:47 <madmax|pt> well, the fact is, there's a lot of servers with _lots_ of rubber
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> higher rubber just makes more lag, it's pretty ironic really
22:47 <Durka> tried to organize a tournament
22:47 <Durka> 1vs1 and 2vs2
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> madmax|pt: yes, and they have serious lag issues because of it
22:47 <Durka> to take place over a period of time
22:48 <Durka> and its been going on 1.5 months and only 1 match was supposed to be played
22:48 <Durka> i mean only 1 has  been
22:48 <Durka> it was supposed to be over already
22:48 <i2020> it needs standards... look at any game in history... chess wouldn't have survived if there were a million variations being planned all the time, with 4 pawns, on a 7x7 board etc etc etc
22:48 <Lucifer_arma> well, I know that some of the clans run tournaments, like SP and Xzl anyway
22:49 <Lucifer_arma> Id like the news and results of every tournament, even if it's a private tournament, showing on the wiki in one place
22:49 <Lucifer_arma> just saying "Hey, look, we do fun things!" will help attract players
22:49 <madmax|pt> yeah
22:49 <i2020> there needs to be something like tron film... just two teams of eg 3v3 with no zones... and a set rubber acceleration etc standard...
22:49 <i2020> agreed luci...
22:49 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, i could report fa matches when we start them
22:49 <spidey> :P
22:49 <_Sticky_> any result yet??
22:49 <i2020> we have a problem with this sport... it's not visible...
22:50 <Lucifer_arma> can't have a rubber standard, the best rubber setting for the same gameplay varies by server
22:50 <wrtlprnft> tron? no rubber, no cycle_accel, impossible gameplay?
22:50 <i2020> its hard to spectate...
22:50 <Lucifer_arma> it's th enature of rubber...
22:50 <madmax|pt> its probably pretty hard to take away the rubber from some players.... look at those random players that come into Café and say "just 5 rubber!?!?!?"
22:50 <i2020> and recordings have got harder for some reason...
22:50 <wrtlprnft> madmax|pt: actually i haven't seen one of those for quite a while
22:50 <digitx> wrtl
22:50 <digitx> go ps ?
22:50 <madmax|pt> hm, I have
22:50 <Lucifer_arma> madmax|pt: we need to educate people on what rubber is for, because 5 rubber on cafe means something different than 5 rubber on my server
22:50 <i2020> wrtl: i mean the two team thing... tut
22:50 <Lucifer_arma> the actual number really does mean different things on different servers
22:51 <Durka> Lucifer_arma: there hasnt been a rubber tournmaent...
22:51 <madmax|pt> and a good way to share the thoughts...
22:51 <digitx> wrtlprnft: go ps arena ?
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> to properly clone eggcozy's server, I had to bump rubber up a little :/
22:51 <spidey> what i don't get is
22:51 <i2020> ...btw there must be an easier way to separate out the threads of the conversation so we can chat simultaneously on different topics.... a simple interface...
22:51 <spidey> why people think 25 rubber is different than 5, with the right settings they can be almost the same
22:51 <spidey> like one of the settings on our server, 5 rubber, slow speed..similar to swampland
22:52 <spidey> the rubber usage is closely compared to a 25 rubber server at higher speed
22:52 <madmax|pt> would you say there's a centralized way to get "facts" out? I mean... Some don't see the official forum... some don't know the wiki exists...
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> i2020: why should there be?  heh.  Go to any social group with 5+ people and just watch how people switch threads...
22:52 <Durka> 25 packets transmitted, 25 packets received, 0% packet loss
22:52 <Durka> round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 192.748/196.934/202.584/2.405 ms
22:52 <i2020> madmax... you are right... an easier way to communcate thoughts... hmmm...
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> madmax|pt: there isn't, and there's unfortunate historical reasons for that.
22:53 <luke-jr_> 142 lines thus far for libGlicko2
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> suggestions are welcome, but I'm trying to direct all competitions to be posted on the Competition Hub, and trying to make it as easy as I can to do so
22:53 <luke-jr_> SD's site?
22:53 <i2020> ok luci, but i would like to have this conversation, which is a meta-conversation about conversation, in a separate window with a different colour... like a sticky... a shared sticky conversation
22:53 <madmax|pt> historical reasons?
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> madmax|pt: yeah, historically there hasn't been any such thing, and we're trying to create it, but fighting inertia :)
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> oops, gotta go, bbiab
22:54 <i2020> bye
22:54 <Durka> bye
22:54 <luke-jr_> ...
22:54 <spidey> hi
22:55 <madmax|pt> it comes down to tough objectives
22:55 <i2020> i think the rubber community need to standardise a setting... out of all the ways of moving the body, there are different dance forms... so there must be a highish rubber setting which attracts most players...
22:55 <i2020> tough objectives...? what do you mean?
22:56 <madmax|pt> like the centralized communication
22:56 <Durka> xzl is the most popular high rubber server
22:56 <i2020> nope... don't follow... sorry... what do you mean?
22:56  * Durka has the settings :o
22:57 <i2020> xzl... so... is there something about it which is well designed?
22:57 <Durka> not really
22:57 <madmax|pt> perhaps all we need is a guiding guru
22:57 <madmax|pt> lol
22:57 <Durka> the admins are retarded
22:58 <Durka> and the amount of rubber is weird
22:58 <Durka> 28
22:58 <Durka> why not 30
22:58 <i2020> zman should invent one... he's pretty good at it imho
22:58 <Lackadaisical> are you guys gonna make a summary of this chat?
22:58 <madmax|pt> i2020: I mean, gathering a whole community around specific objectives is pretty tough IMO
22:59 <i2020> sorry, i lost the first half... anyway... 
22:59 <i2020> you can't... madmax...
22:59 <i2020> however, if you put a crazy enough objective as a goal... it's kind of fun seeing people trying to achieve it... if you see what i mean...?
23:00 <madmax|pt> like the crazy 1.000.000 players competition? :D
23:00 <i2020> it's not about an agreed agenda... or even a realistic goal... just aim...
23:00 <i2020> yes... hehehe thanks hehehe
23:01 <i2020> what comes to mind right now, is asking an arrow if it can conceive of hitting the target.... it can't... it's far too far away wrt the length of the arrow.... however... there is a bow... hehe
23:01 <i2020> the trick is... what is the bow, wrt a bunch of people and fortress etc...
23:02 <i2020> i am going to try with schools over this next year...
23:02 <i2020> if schools pick it up... maths departments... i think you could get something as popular as football...
23:02 <i2020> that's my guess hehe
23:02 <i2020> oops you seem to have provoked a verbal spillage...
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23:05 <i2020> seem to have killed everyone...
23:06 <wrtlprnft> lol
23:06 <i2020> so.... um.... is the final going on...?
23:06  * i2020 twiddles his thumbs
23:06 <[dlh]> yes
23:06 <[dlh]> tied 1 : 1
23:06 <i2020> it would be nice to watch the final while chatting...
23:07 <i2020> a mirror thing must be possible...
23:07  * i2020 muses more to himself than to anyone in particular...
23:08 <madmax|pt> I think I must infiltrate myself into 'last man standing' games to get know the community...
23:08 <madmax|pt> undercover... hmm...
23:08 <i2020> heheheh... sending one of our best in there...
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23:10 <Durka> ya dont disgrace your name
23:10 <madmax|pt> heh
23:10 <Durka> some of them are actually decent o_O
23:10 <i2020> btw... anyone here want to do a one on one kotg match?
23:10 <madmax|pt> the decent ones should get the word out
23:11 <Durka> lol
23:11 <Durka> xzl frozen is a popular one
23:12 <i2020> my god there are 26 people in the finals!!!
23:12 <i2020> doesn't spectating slow things down?
23:12 <i2020> can i enter?
23:12 <Durka> heh
23:12 <madmax|pt> its probably ending...
23:12 <digitx> AH, USING IRSSI
23:12 <digitx> NO
23:12 <Durka> 1-1
23:12 <madmax|pt> #serverinfo Z-man
23:12 <spidey> get the word out on what, madmax|pt ?
23:12 <armabot> madmax|pt: Z-Man's Tournament Fortress, Tornament going on.: Players (25/32): ~*SP*~joda.bot, -+$P+-<y<lo, G5, H.A.K, Imagine, Legit, Wasn'tMeISwear!, [??] pavelo, [??]Lack, [??]MaZuffeR, [??]nemostultae, [??]newbÎd, [??]Pez, [ADMIN]Z-Man, _~+*({SP})*+~_, ~*HeLlBlAdE*~, ~*SATAN*~, ~*SP*~ ØMÊgÀ, ~*SP*~oO.k3nNy, ~*SP*~PsYkO, ~*SP*~Sasha, ~*SP*~viper~3~, ¦Ö¦Sticky, °°@shitakA, °°qain
23:13 <digitx> epiC4 :PP
23:13 <digitx> ah, got rid of that capslock
23:13 <digitx> wrtlprnft: you suck.
23:13 <digitx> heh ..
23:13 <digitx> xD vnc
23:13 <madmax|pt> on ways to improve armagetron, competition wise
23:13  * spidey notes between him and wizz, there's noone in tron we don't know
23:13 <spidey> :P
23:14 <i2020> more players more player more players.... or have i already said that...?
23:14 <Durka> do you know dØrKå
23:14 <i2020> no way
23:14 <madmax|pt> yep i2020 :P
23:14 <i2020> oh ok
23:14 <spidey> #last --with more players --from i2020 --nolimit
23:14 <armabot> spidey: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)
23:14 <spidey> :O
23:14 <spidey> #last --from i2020  --with more players --nolimit
23:14 <armabot> spidey: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)
23:14 <spidey> :O
23:14 -!- Durka [n=Durka@cpe-76-167-238-228.socal.res.rr.com] has quit []
23:14 <spidey> omfg
23:14 <madmax|pt> lol
23:14  * spidey stabs armabot
23:14 <i2020> are you being clever spidey?
23:15 <spidey> trying...yes
23:15 <spidey> #last --from i2020 --with more players --nolimit
23:15 <armabot> spidey: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)
23:15 <spidey> wtf
23:15 <madmax|pt> #last --with "more players" --from i2020 --nolimit
23:15 <armabot> madmax|pt: [23:25:19] <i2020> more players more player more players.... or have i already said that...?, [22:57:04] <i2020> more players more players more players !!!!!!, [22:55:10] <i2020> more players more players more players hehehe, [22:52:35] <i2020> look... what we need is more players!, [22:43:12] <i2020> yes... the trick is though, it will only be the same players.... we need to work out a (1 more message)
23:15 <spidey> i hate you
23:15 <spidey> :(
23:15 <madmax|pt> #more
23:15 <armabot> madmax|pt: way of inviting more players into fortress..., and [22:41:49] <i2020> i agree madmax, but rather than be defeated by that, i think the game is good enough... i think we should be thinking about getting more players in...
23:15 <i2020> ok ok ha ha...
23:16 <madmax|pt> oh crap, I said it too
23:16 <madmax|pt> :D
23:17  * spidey is gonna have fun
23:17 <madmax|pt> well, saying it often doesnt make it untrue
23:17  * spidey has to go through about 30+ files and change {U_INDEX} to a link
23:17 <spidey> don't you love how phpbb2 can't do things the simple way :(
23:18 <spidey> h
23:18 <spidey> hm, maybe not...
23:18  * spidey searches the database for U_INDEX
23:19 <madmax|pt> was the XMPP thing something about getting armagetron's output to IRC?
23:20 <madmax|pt> luke-jr_
23:20 <luke-jr_> ?
23:20 <luke-jr_> one use would be using IRC for a server's chatroom
23:20 <madmax|pt> oh that was it
23:21 <i2020> yes...?
23:21 <madmax|pt> I was thinking of something like real time stats on a webpage about a match being played
23:22 <luke-jr_> that could be possible
23:22 <luke-jr_> but not really high priority
23:23 <madmax|pt> that would come closer to the 'mirror' idea
23:23 <madmax|pt> if you can't see it, at least you know how's it going
23:24 <luke-jr_> what 'mirror' idea?
23:24 <i2020> yes yes yes
23:24 <madmax|pt> having a server mirroring a match only for spectators
23:24 <madmax|pt> or something like that >.<
23:24 <madmax|pt> your idea right i2020 ?
23:24 <luke-jr_> no, it really wouldn't come any closer :p
23:25 <madmax|pt> well, a _bit_ closer
23:25 <i2020> i think that is better than nothing...
23:26 <i2020> yeah... if we can get the players names... why not the scores too?
23:26 <luke-jr_> un
23:26 <luke-jr_> we already have both
23:26 <madmax|pt> how so?
23:26 <luke-jr_> players.txt?
23:27 <i2020> on the forum even...
23:27 <luke-jr_> Player:         Alive: Score: Ping: Member of Team:
23:27 <luke-jr_> øVø             No     2      71    øVø
23:27 -!- joda_bot [n=anonymou@dslb-084-061-052-198.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
23:27 <madmax|pt> hm
23:28 <madmax|pt> so, the webpage with real time stats can be done?
23:28 <luke-jr_> sure
23:28 <luke-jr_> IIRC at least some servers do it
23:30 <[dlh]> finally over.
23:30 <madmax|pt> who won?
23:30 <[dlh]> ??
23:31 <madmax|pt> congrats :D
23:31 <i2020> there should be some kind of grats award event thing...
23:31 -!- Pez [n=5ac77330@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
23:31 <Lackadaisical> hi pez
23:31 <MaZuffeR> my headache got real bad towards the end :/
23:32 <Pez> hi
23:32 <Lackadaisical> and you still managed to get most points
23:32 <madmax|pt> 3:2 ? 3:1 ?
23:32 <i2020> score...
23:32 <Pez> asleep at the keyboard nearly
23:32 <Lackadaisical> 3:1
23:32 <z-man> man, what a marathon.
23:32 <z-man> we need the winzones back :)
23:32 <MaZuffeR> yeah, i find it a bit weird how i get points even if i feel like im playing like crap
23:32 <madmax|pt> we need players that risk more
23:32 -!- cyclo [n=5874bc2a@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
23:33 <z-man> that's because even if you feel you're playing like crap, you still play way above average.
23:33 <MaZuffeR> we need to get rid of the tail shrink imo
23:33 <madmax|pt> hm, why?
23:33 <Lackadaisical> it's just that the defenses on both sides are just too tough
23:33 <MaZuffeR> defending is way too easy with it
23:33 <cyclo> its true vs 1 attacker - but 2 attackers can push u back still
23:33 <luke-jr_> z-man: what do you think of Elo and Glicko-2?
23:34 <madmax|pt> true...
23:34 <z-man> Haven't heard about glicko-2
23:34 <madmax|pt> it gave a good advantage to defenders...
23:34 <z-man> elo is OK, but matches are non-commutative, same problem as with the builtin ladder
23:34 <cyclo> ya, just like soccer, u can use your hands ;)
23:34 <Pez> should be some adv to def. nut not a massive adv
23:34 <Pez> *but
23:35 <luke-jr_> z-man: It's like Elo, but adds rating deviation and rating volatility
23:35 <i2020> what about a timer...? with the goalie trying to survive as long as is necessary...?
23:35 <madmax|pt> perhaps reduce the value?
23:35 <cyclo> u talking about elo-ratings? cool
23:35 <luke-jr_> non-commutative?
23:35 <i2020> 5 points each team with a draw?
23:35 <z-man> non-commutative means the order of matches matters.
23:35 <cyclo> i dont know about multiplayer elo tho (more then 1vs1)
23:35 <luke-jr_> they do?
23:36 <cyclo> yes
23:36 <z-man> I think so, yes.
23:36 <cyclo> i played chess f years, tourneys n stuff
23:36 <luke-jr_> Glicko-2 can do multiplayer
23:36  * madmax|pt can hear luke-jr_ rewriting his script
23:36 <luke-jr_> though I think I'm finishing up the first multiplayer-capable implementation now
23:36 <i2020> thanks to admins
23:37 <i2020> thanks to all playrs
23:37 -!- Canada [n=484b21b2@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
23:37 <i2020> looks like we are getting the hang of things...
23:37 <i2020> bye
23:37 <cyclo> ya, once again (btw) thanks z-man for all the effort
23:37 <luke-jr_> hey Canada 
23:37 <madmax|pt> bye
23:37 <Canada> hey
23:37 <luke-jr_> forget I installed X-Chat for you?
23:38 <Canada> brb
23:38 <Canada> this computer doesnt have it, i'm not using my laptop
23:38 <z-man> cyclo: i'll pass that on to my wife, she's the one who is suffering :)
23:38 <cyclo> :(
23:38 -!- z-man is now known as z-man-going-to-b
23:38 <z-man-going-to-b> not really suffering.
23:39 <Canada> this computer doesnt have armagetron ad downloaded onto it, ganna download it right now
23:39 <cyclo> i know :) a little tho for shure
23:39 <Canada> who won ladle
23:39 <cyclo> my gf also waits for my call :D
23:39 <z-man-going-to-b> but she has to clean up after dinner, whereas usually that's my job. I compensate for it by cooking :)
23:39 <Canada> z-man, who won the ladle
23:39 <z-man-going-to-b> ??
23:39 <cyclo> what u use for cooking, c++  xD
23:39 <i2020> something something
23:40 <Canada> is it not done?
23:40 <Canada> ah
23:40 -!- i2020 [n=59f1f3b6@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has left #armagetron []
23:40 <Canada> who came in second
23:40 <Canada> tui?
23:40 <z-man-going-to-b> SP
23:40 <Canada> what did X come in
23:40 <cyclo> we lost 3-1 -> tho it was 8vs6 (for us, sp)
23:40  * z-man-going-to-b notes that there is no well defined second place in a knockout tournament
23:41 <Canada> isnt second place ~ who lost in finals
23:41 <z-man-going-to-b> usually, yeah, but they're usually not the second best
23:41 <z-man-going-to-b> anyone who lost against the winner at some point may be second best
23:41 <Canada> yeah, because theres not enough teams to even out the brackets
23:42 <z-man-going-to-b> It's not that.
23:42 <cyclo> has there ever been a round-based tourney in arma?
23:42 <Canada> theres only what, 5-6 teams?
23:42 <pavelo> spoon ?
23:43 <cyclo> a sumo tourney 1on1, round-based (like chess, "swiss system" its called) would be neat
23:43  * Canada hates not being able to use X-chat :p
23:43 <Canada> keeps screwing up my messages and not posting
23:44 <Canada> how exactly would you play chess in tron
23:44 -!- Pez [n=5ac77330@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has quit ["CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)"]
23:44 <cyclo> lol... i said, a tounrey system like it is in a chess tourney
23:44 <cyclo> not that u should play chess on the grid xD
23:45 <cyclo> tron is more like GO in that sense
23:45 <Canada> never played chess tourney, arnt those like for people that are too poor to afford a computer, but too nerdy to play sports
23:45 <madmax|pt> o_O
23:45 <Canada> its that like for people that are too poor to afford a computer, but too nerdy to play sports?
23:45 <cyclo> doh
23:45 <cyclo> no :P
23:45 <Canada> test ~ keeps not posting my messages
23:45 -!- Canada [n=484b21b2@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has quit ["CGI:IRC"]
23:46 <cyclo> it did post both, canada
23:46 -!- Canada [n=484b21b2@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
23:46 <cyclo> (bye)
23:46 <Canada> is there any way for me to make it so armabot isnt speaking german
23:46 <Canada> :P
23:47 <pavelo> lol, Canada just went on a posting spree on the forums
23:47 <Canada> did you know a savant autistic man learned icelandic (one of the hardest languages to learn) in 7 days
23:47 <Canada> #dict Savant
23:47 <armabot> Canada: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: savant n : someone who has been admitted to membership in a scholarly field [syn: {initiate}, {learned person}, {pundit}]; gcide: Savant \Sa`vant"\, n.; pl. {Savants} (F. ?; E. ?). [F., fr. savoir to know, L. sapere. See {Sage}, a.] A man of learning; one versed in literature or science; a person eminent for acquirements. [1913 Webster]; (4 more messages)
23:47 <madmax|pt> 'multi kill'
23:48 <Canada> #dict Daniel Tammet
23:48 <armabot> Canada: No definition for "Daniel Tammet" could be found.
23:48 <cyclo> lol <3 armabot
23:48 <cyclo> #dict klein bottle
23:48 <armabot> cyclo: wn: Klein bottle n : a closed surface with only one side; formed by passing one end of a tube through the side of the tube and joining it with the other end
23:48 <Canada> armabot isnt that smart
23:49 <cyclo> xD
23:49 <luke-jr_> neither are you
23:49 <luke-jr_> :p
23:49 <cyclo> lol
23:49 <Canada> =p
23:49 <luke-jr_> pwnt
23:49 <Canada> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Tammet
23:50 <Canada> he memorized pi to 22,514 digits
23:50 <cyclo> i imagine people fell asleep when he proved it
23:50 <joda_bo1> Lack said it's just that the defenses on both sides are just too tough , perhaps we just have to wait for holing to kick in
23:50 <joda_bo1> ;)
23:50 <Canada> it took him 5+ hours
23:50 -!- joda_bo1 is now known as joda_bot
23:51 <joda_bot> Lack said it's just that the defenses on both sides are just too tough
23:51 <joda_bot> joda: perhaps we just have to wait for holing to kick in
23:51 <cyclo> heh joda absolutely
23:51 <madmax|pt> a while ago the "getting rid of shrink" idea didnt sound any good to me. but now...
23:51 <Canada> the most famous savant is Kim Peek, which the movie Rain Man was based on
23:52 <Canada> he can read an average page in a book that would take you and me 3 minutes to read, it takes him 8-10 seconds
23:52 <Canada> and he remembers 98% of what was on the page
23:52 <Canada> tell me that isnt genius
23:53 <cyclo> it isnt
23:53 <cyclo> :P
23:53 <Canada> ..
23:53 <Canada> and he can recall 12,000 books from memory
23:53 <cyclo> genius is not a matter of quantity - people who are autistic can do the most massive tasks but not go to the supermarket to buy food
23:54 <luke-jr_> so?
23:54 <luke-jr_> who needs food?
23:54 <cyclo> lol
23:54 <luke-jr_> oh wait...
23:54 <cyclo> u plan on going completely digital ?? xD
23:54 <cyclo> ghost in the console
23:54 <Canada> though that is true, cyclo, Daniel Tammet has no obvious disabilitt
23:54 <Canada> disability*
23:54 <Canada> thats what makes him Savant
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23:55 <Canada> what makes Kim Peek savant, is while he can not understand socialism near as well as another, he is the smarted man, with a memory of google
23:56 <Canada> smarted, sorry i cant spell =P
23:56 <Canada> smart**
23:56 <Lackadaisical> joda: i don't think its necessarily a bad thing, and i don't really know because i wasn't attacking, but when i was able to attack it looked like a beehive on the other side
23:56 <Canada> edit: he is a smart man
23:57 <cyclo> brb
23:57 <Canada> talk to you later, Cyclo :}
23:58 <joda_bot> lack: probably my suggestions made it that... ;) 
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23:58 <joda_bot> lack: but from my point ?? def wasn't any weaker just differently organised
23:59 <Canada> Congratulations to SomethingSomething, btw
23:59 <joda_bot> we blocked and u let someone in and then squeezed them to death between goalie and sweeper ;)
23:59 <madmax|pt> who was the defender for ?? btw?
23:59 <joda_bot> not that we didn't try that too ;)
23:59 <joda_bot> pez
23:59 <joda_bot> afaik

Log from 2007-03-05:
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00:00 <Canada> Pez is a really good defence, its hard to get past his sumo like defence with the stair looking pattern
00:00 <joda_bot> if you get him down to a stair def ;)
00:01 <joda_bot> often he just has his box setup and lives happly inside it
00:01 <joda_bot> while the sweepers posed enough problems for def
00:01 <joda_bot> ehhh not def
00:01 <joda_bot> for SP attackers
00:02 <joda_bot> lack and pavelo have been sweeping / defending
00:02 <joda_bot> which is kind of 3 times good goalie / sumo / defence
00:02 <Lackadaisical> two sweepers are much more effective than one because you can actually lock people in instead of just chasing them away from one side to another
00:02 <joda_bot> combined ;)
00:02 <cyclo> i had not so hard time to enter pez' def, but the sweepers were tough
00:03 <joda_bot> Lackadaisical: right
00:03 <cyclo> thats what i mean, def was tight cause no room was to attack
00:03 <joda_bot> or room that would trap u ;)
00:03 <joda_bot> if u entered it
00:03 <cyclo> ya
00:04 <joda_bot> I really liked the match
00:04 <cyclo> the tourney was great x)
00:04 <joda_bot> considering how SP started I really am proud of their grown up way of playing and sadly losing
00:04 <joda_bot> next time we'll win ;)
00:05 <joda_bot> ...I *am* really ...
00:05 <joda_bot> oh I got an "am" ... fine then
00:05 <cyclo> lol
00:06 <Canada> Why wont it let me play Armagetron on this computer, i just downloaded and all the master servers are 'timing out'
00:07 <joda_bot> but you got Internet / Google & co just fine without using a proxy ?
00:07 <Canada> yes, isnt it wierd
00:07 <Canada> i'll try turning fire wall off
00:08 <madmax|pt> was the final recorded?
00:08 <joda_bot> madmax|pt: I hope, not sure
00:08 <Canada> mm wont let me turn off fire wall :p
00:08 <joda_bot> there have been quite some specatators
00:08 <Canada> doesnt Z-man record it
00:08 <joda_bot> mm ?
00:09 <joda_bot> no plan, he did at times
00:09 <Canada> hmmm ~ mm - what ever...
00:10 <joda_bot> Canada: What kind of firewall do u have ?
00:11 <Canada> i guess windows default, i dont know for sure on this computer
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00:12 <Canada> not using my regular laptop, which works fine, so i dunno, not like i really 'need' to play arma, i'm just bored
00:13 <Canada> AI team are such campers
00:13 <Canada> :P
00:14 <cyclo> lol - try my setup for training:  12 bots (if your cpu can handle), arena size -3, cycle_rubber 10
00:14 <cyclo> bots -> ai team. so they all vs u
00:14 <joda_bot> cyclo: u use that to train ?
00:15 <joda_bot> wow ;)
00:15 <cyclo> ja
00:15 <joda_bot> no wonder u're that good
00:15 <cyclo> :)
00:15 <joda_bot> oh und deutsch ist er auch
00:15 <joda_bot> ;)
00:15 <cyclo> hihi
00:15 <cyclo> ösi :P
00:15  * madmax|pt votes for a semi-final and final on a wild west server
00:15 <cyclo> wild worst ;D
00:16 <Canada> just messing around with my lan server now, made rubber 200 lol
00:16 <madmax|pt> Durka has a point
00:17 <joda_bot> well if they recruit enough players to host a american ladle ... we might at sometime play a real LAN network international competition in japan
00:17 <joda_bot> just because it's long for everybody to travel to ;)
00:17 <cyclo> :D
00:18 <cyclo> we can use gps-tron while we travel there ;)
00:18 <madmax|pt> a tron rpg game came to my mind o_O
00:19 <joda_bot> cyclo: you really read about that ? ;)
00:19 <joda_bot> cool
00:19 <joda_bot> Have you voted on the nixa.net poll about tron games ?
00:19 <joda_bot> if you already know about real life tron, u might know about those too ;)
00:19 <joda_bot> madmax|pt: kingdom hearts 2 ? :-P
00:20 <cyclo> lol real life tron -> i worked on one with friends
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00:20 -!- dammn is now known as wrtlprnft2
00:20 <wrtlprnft2> :D
00:21 <joda_bot> hi wrtlprnft
00:21 <cyclo> http://www.yugo.at/bicycletron/
00:21 <cyclo> hey wrtl
00:21 <wrtlprnft2> hi
00:22 <wrtlprnft2> wrtlprnft is still the real one
00:22 <joda_bot> cyclo: cool ;)
00:22 <wrtlprnft2> o
00:22 <wrtlprnft2> vnc
00:22 <wrtlprnft2> im digitx and wrtl xD
00:22 <cyclo> + for the same event i organized an fkk-lan party      http://083.sonance.net/fkklan/
00:22 -!- wrtlprnft2 is now known as digitx2
00:22 <digitx2> haha
00:22 -!- digitx2 is now known as wrtlprnft2
00:22 <cyclo> hi u 2
00:22 <joda_bot> cyclo:  that's the one I saw
00:22 <cyclo> ah, hehe
00:22 <joda_bot> just I missed some of the more personal shots
00:22 -!- wrtlprnft2 is now known as wrtlprnft_
00:23 <joda_bot> Who is u ;)
00:23 <cyclo> it was an event from our university
00:23 <madmax|pt> you took part in that bicycletron thing? :o
00:23 <joda_bot> Who are u ? ;)
00:23 -!- wrtlprnft_ [n=guest@] has quit [Nick collision from services.]
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00:23 <wrtlprnft_> :d
00:23 <joda_bot> go wrtlprnft
00:23 <wrtlprnft_> na
00:23 -!- wrtlprnft_ is now known as digitx2
00:23 <joda_bot> cheer digitx
00:23 <madmax|pt> I think I saw it on youtube or something
00:23 <joda_bot> yes
00:23 <joda_bot> me too
00:24 <cyclo> http://083.sonance.net/fkklan/captures/vlcsnap-187348.png   the guy on the left ;)
00:24 <joda_bot> I thought this must be fun to do but looks really confusing from the outside
00:24 <cyclo> the tron?
00:24 <joda_bot> lol
00:24 <joda_bot> the bicycle gps stuff
00:24 <cyclo> oh this was without gps
00:25 <joda_bot> yeah, right the one u did ;)
00:25 <joda_bot> thought we were still at the gps topic
00:25 <cyclo> but ya, we also did a gps project - programmed for a pda in java.. its been 3 tough months programming
00:26 <joda_bot> how often do u do these ?
00:26 <joda_bot> LAN parties ?
00:26 <cyclo> hm we did 3  - the last was at the ars elctronica (festival for media art)
00:27 <cyclo> i guess we're through with it, lol   but i'll tell u if theres another one :D
00:27 <Lackadaisical> gnight
00:27 <joda_bot> gn8 Lackadaisical
00:27 -!- Lackadaisical [n=lack@ip202-29-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit ["Yes. he really did."]
00:27 <madmax|pt> gnight
00:28 <cyclo> night lack
00:28 <cyclo> oops
00:28 <cyclo> 2 l8
00:28 <Canada> wow, cycle_turn_speed_factor could really make a turn point in rubber style playing
00:28 <Canada> a balance between gaining speed and slowing down with brakes could make a very interesting playing style
00:29 <cyclo> did u ever try negative acceleration? so that u get slower when u drive along a wall and speed up when u turn?? lol
00:29 <Canada> gaining speed via turning with a gained turn speed factor
00:29 <cyclo> heh
00:29 <Canada> yes, actually isnt that in swampland
00:29 <Canada> it prevents wall camping
00:30 <cyclo> hm didnt play swampland any longer than 1 minute i guess :I
00:30 <joda_bot> cyclo: are u the one in front of the pc or to the right in the darkness ? ;)
00:30 <Canada> what i like to do is make tons of turns with the turn speed factor at 1, gradually gain speed then use brakes, its a nice play style if you think about rubber gaming
00:30 <spidey> #g 25kb/s * 12
00:30 <armabot> spidey: 25 (kilobits / second) * 12 = 37.5 kBps
00:30 <Canada> i dont really play swampland either, but anywho
00:30 <spidey> 'er
00:31 <spidey> wrtlprnft, ping
00:31 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, luke-jr_ too
00:31 <Canada> a nice thing is set brakes to 15 and set turn speed to 1.2
00:31 <cyclo> heres another  - im the guy left   http://083.sonance.net/fkklan/captures/vlcsnap-188730.png
00:31 <Canada> cyclo, are you naked? wtf
00:32 <joda_bot> lol
00:32 <Canada> never knew you were a nudist...
00:32 <cyclo> xD  naked lan party
00:32 <Canada> lmao
00:32 <cyclo> i aint.. its an art project
00:33 <Canada> ?
00:33 <madmax|pt> naked lan art project. sounds good
00:33 <Canada> i dont got any pics
00:33 <joda_bot> http://www.nixda.net/gallery/displayimage.php?album=3&pos=16
00:33 <joda_bot> joda_bot ;)
00:33 <joda_bot> after playing hockey
00:34 <Canada> you look like a guy from star trek
00:34 <cyclo> :) u look like u won 
00:34 <Canada> #dict star trek
00:34 <armabot> Canada: No definition for "star trek" could be found.
00:34 <Canada> lmao
00:34 <joda_bot> I look like I sweat alot even though it was 4°C outside
00:34 <Canada> #google star trek
00:34 <armabot> Canada: Search took 0.21 seconds: Star Trek: <http://www.startrek.com/>; STARTREK.COM: <http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/>; Star Trek - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek>; Star Trek : The Original Series - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series>; " Star Trek " (1966): (1 more message)
00:34 <joda_bot> and we played on shopping carts
00:34 <Canada> #google images star trek
00:35 <armabot> Canada: Error: Error connecting to Google.com.
00:35 <joda_bot> never thought I'd look like a guy from star trek
00:35 <Canada> lol
00:35 <joda_bot> I've been into space
00:35 <joda_bot> cool
00:35 <Canada> i look like....
00:36 <joda_bot> cyclo: is that u ? http://www.yugo.at/bicycletron/img/aufbau2.jpg
00:36 <cyclo> brb phone
00:36 <cyclo> no, thats leo, friend of mine
00:36 <Canada> i look like this http://www.heron-productions.com/aliens/georgebush_alien.jpg
00:37 <Canada> joda, isnt that the rl tron game
00:38 <Canada> doesnt that pic look creepy
00:38 -!- Durka [n=Durka@cpe-76-167-238-228.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron
00:38 <Canada> hey durka
00:38 <joda_bot> Canada: the picture of rl tron or yours ?
00:39 <joda_bot> hi Durka
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00:39 <Durka> hi
00:39 <cyclo> yo durka
00:39 <Canada> this is a pic of me http://www.johngoto.org.uk/giltcity/images/07%20Beggar.jpg
00:40 <Durka> hi
00:40 -!- digitx [n=digitx@catv-56653766.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
00:40 <ghableska> hi
00:40 <ghableska> who won/
00:40 <ghableska> *?
00:40 <Canada> ??
00:40 <ghableska> the ladle...
00:40 <Durka> ??
00:40 <Canada> ?? won
00:40 <joda_bot> hehe
00:40 <cyclo> lol
00:40 <ghableska> oh heh
00:40 <Durka> we almost beat them
00:40 <joda_bot> 3:1 smt:smt vs. SP
00:40 <Durka> we were up 80-30 the 1st match
00:40 <ghableska> well, congrats to both teams :)
00:40 <Canada> 30 - 80 sucks
00:40 <Durka> then mega slides
00:40 <Durka> i died 5 rounds in a row
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00:40 <Durka> made no sense
00:40 <ghableska> what server were you on?
00:41 <Durka> zman
00:41 <digitx> hey
00:41 <Canada> hey digi
00:41 <digitx> hey
00:41 <joda_bot> #m
00:41 <armabot> joda_bot: (message <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "later tell $1 $2".
00:41 <joda_bot> hi digitx
00:41 -!- z-man-going-to-b [n=manuel@p50873013.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [No route to host]
00:42 <joda_bot> gn8 z-man*
00:43 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:43 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:43 <joda_bot> #night 
00:43 <armabot> Good night joda_bot!
00:43 <joda_bot> Good night all - praise the ladle
00:43 <joda_bot> ;)
00:44 <ghableska> heh
00:44 <madmax|pt> #lastseen zop
00:44 <armabot> madmax|pt: ZoPhIsTiC has last been seen on Z-Man's Tournament Fortress, Tornament going on. 0 days 1 hours 26 minutes ago.
00:44 <joda_bot> #set topic "Team smt. smt. won 3:1 vs. SP in the 9. ladle finals"
00:44 <joda_bot> gn8
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00:46  * ghableska hasn't seen Zop in a while
00:49 -!- j0h4nn3s [n=j@i577BB5A2.versanet.de] has joined #armagetron
00:49 <madmax|pt> #lastseen "zop"
00:49 -!- _Sticky_ [n=kvirc@212-139-167-22.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit ["KVIrc 3.2.4 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/"]
00:49 <armabot> madmax|pt: ZoPhIsTiC has last been seen on Z-Man's Tournament Fortress, Tornament going on. 0 days 1 hours 31 minutes ago.
00:49 <madmax|pt> #lastseen %zop
00:49 <armabot> madmax|pt: ZoPhIsTiC has last been seen on Z-Man's Tournament Fortress, Tornament going on. 0 days 1 hours 31 minutes ago.
00:51 <Durka> ya weres zop
00:51 <Durka> heh bbl
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00:53 <madmax|pt> wasnt there a way to match exacly?
00:53 <madmax|pt> *exactly
00:54 <digitx> #echo night wrtlprnft 
00:54 <armabot> night wrtlprnft
00:55 <cyclo> nighty
00:58 <MaZuffeR> (00:08:29) madmax|pt: I think I must infiltrate myself into 'last man standing' games to get know the community...
00:59 <MaZuffeR> i was actually gonna do that in may last year, but I got bored after playing "rubber" for two hours
00:59 <MaZuffeR> people started asking what my real nick was after half an hour XD
01:00 <ghableska> heh
01:00 <spidey> lol
01:00 <ghableska> hmm
01:00  * ghableska never refers to servers as "rubber"
01:01 <digitx> na cu.. i learn.. 01:xx AM
01:01 <digitx> :D
01:01 <digitx> and today school :D
01:01 <digitx> cu
01:01 <digitx> #night
01:01 <armabot> Good night digitx!
01:01 <cyclo> gnight
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01:02 <cyclo> i go 2, got to pack my things, going back to vienna tomorrow (finally, got bored here at my parents place)
01:02 <ghableska> cya
01:02 <cyclo> cu
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01:03 <madmax|pt> hehe maz
01:03 <MaZuffeR> fortress is just so much better than last man standing
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01:04 <ghableska> :D
01:05 <madmax|pt> on my random incursions there I got bored too ><
01:05 <madmax|pt> i like shrunkland though
01:06 <madmax|pt> of course, it has good settings
01:07 <madmax|pt> but other servers... always the same thing...
01:07 <madmax|pt> plus the "give the rim a break" issue
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01:15 <DrJoeTron> Canada? i thought he dissapeared
01:15 <ghableska> heh
01:16 <ghableska> #uberinsult
01:16 <armabot> You're not even the void in Plus's head
01:16 <DrJoeTron> and this torrent won't finish :/
01:16 <ghableska> :o
01:16 <ghableska> utorrent?
01:16 <DrJoeTron> i must be downloading from dial up people
01:17 <DrJoeTron> yeah
01:17 <DrJoeTron> they updated :)
01:17 <DrJoeTron> ghableska ever go to demonoid?
01:17 <ghableska> no, why?
01:18 <DrJoeTron> go there for torrenting
01:18 <Canada> i use armagetron playback to watch a AAREC file movie, right
01:18 <DrJoeTron> if you need an invite let me know
01:18 <ghableska> ok, want to send me one? :p
01:18 <DrJoeTron> sure
01:18 <Canada> Joe, i'm a ghost :P
01:19 <Canada> but anyways, armagetron playback for AAREC, right?
01:19 <DrJoeTron> fuck if i know
01:19 <DrJoeTron> i usually don't want to watch other people play armagetron
01:19 <ghableska> heh
01:19 <DrJoeTron> thats probably one of the lamest things ever
01:19 <Canada> no, i just wanted to watch me in 7th ladle, i really sucked back then
01:20 <Canada> back then, hell it was only 2 mons ago
01:20 <DrJoeTron> or watching people on youtube play solitaire
01:20 <DrJoeTron> you want to watch your self play armagetron?
01:20 <Canada> thats creepy
01:20 <DrJoeTron> thats pretty egotistical
01:20 <Canada> i cant even play solitaire myself <-- idiot
01:20 <DrJoeTron> thats like the people who listen to their own band
01:21 <Canada> well, usually they do that to see how they could do better, or they're ego maniacs
01:21 <spidey> well
01:21 <MaZuffeR> http://www.vidipedia.org/Special:Video/326
01:22 <spidey> if you're a singer, then obviously you're singing about sometihng you like, and the lyrics you'll like...so unless you think your voice just sucks(you shouldn't be a singer then) why wouldn't they listen to there own bans?
01:22 <Canada> syllabear asked how to view AAREC files, and i think i missleaded her :P
01:22 <spidey> bands*
01:22 <ghableska> MaZuffeR: :o!
01:22 <Canada> her/he dont ask me if people are boy or girls
01:22 <MaZuffeR> :D
01:22 <DrJoeTron> what the hell?
01:22 <Canada> wtf is tetris
01:23 <DrJoeTron> tetris the video game?
01:23 <DrJoeTron> you don't know what tetris is?
01:23 <Canada> thats a waste of 54 seconds all it is a building with the lights going on and off
01:23 <spidey> rofl maz
01:24 <DrJoeTron> MaZuffeR haha i remember seeing this
01:24 <DrJoeTron> by the way Canada, how dare you insult tetris
01:24 <DrJoeTron> theres the door
01:24 <Canada> mazuffer, wtf is that
01:24 <Canada> i dont get how thats fun
01:24 <DrJoeTron> you've never played tetris?
01:24 <Canada> no
01:24 <DrJoeTron> you suck
01:25 <DrJoeTron> so hard
01:25  * ghableska has tetris on his calculator
01:25 <Canada> you just watch a building with lights go on and off
01:25 <DrJoeTron> yes
01:25 <DrJoeTron> thats what tetris is
01:25 <Canada> thats retarded
01:25 <DrJoeTron> watching buildings turn their lights on and off
01:25 <Canada> ...
01:25 <Canada> really, what is it though
01:25 <ghableska> #wikipedia tetris
01:25 <Canada> #dict tetris
01:25 <armabot> Canada: No definition for "tetris" could be found.
01:25 <armabot> ghableska: Search took 0.29 seconds: Tetris - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetris>; Tetris Attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetris_Attack>; Tetris effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetris_effect>; List of Tetris variants - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (2 more messages)
01:26 <DrJoeTron> speaking of
01:26 <DrJoeTron> ghableska get tetris ds
01:26 <DrJoeTron> i wanna play against people i know :(
01:26 <ghableska> shouldn't I get a DS as well? :p
01:26 <DrJoeTron> nah
01:26 <DrJoeTron> just the game
01:26 <DrJoeTron> look at it
01:26 <DrJoeTron> admire it
01:26 <DrJoeTron> eat it
01:26 <DrJoeTron> immm
01:26 <DrJoeTron> chips
01:26 <ghableska> o_O
01:26 <Canada> joe stfu
01:26 <DrJoeTron> Canada go back to being gone
01:26 <DrJoeTron> it was nice
01:27 <DrJoeTron> babies were born that day
01:27 <Canada> i never was, i was spying on hyphy
01:27 <MaZuffeR> and this is how you draw with paint: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=sergiopaint
01:27 <DrJoeTron> in that case
01:27 <DrJoeTron> babies died that day
01:27 <Canada> and luke jr almost found the logs of him saying he stole credit cards over im
01:27 <DrJoeTron> is that the psp thing?
01:27 <ghableska> "almost?"
01:27 <madmax|pt> gahh never played tetris
01:27 <madmax|pt> nice vid :D
01:27 <DrJoeTron> what the hell!
01:27 <Canada> because 5.9 didnt have logs, and thats what i had
01:28 <madmax|pt> canada i mean o_O
01:28 <DrJoeTron> who hasn't played tetris :/
01:28 <ghableska> use Trillian instead :p
01:28 <DrJoeTron> thats just blasphemy
01:28 <madmax|pt> well, i thought everyone did
01:28 <DrJoeTron> yeah
01:28 <DrJoeTron> i did too
01:28 <DrJoeTron> then there is Canada
01:28 <Canada> not like it really matters that i didnt find the logs, everyone hates hyphy anyways
01:28 <Canada> =p
01:28 <DrJoeTron> you have to try to not play tetris
01:28 <DrJoeTron> seriously
01:29 <DrJoeTron> i seriously have to try
01:29 <Canada> drjoe, what do you really do in tetris
01:29 <DrJoeTron> i play it daily
01:29 <ghableska> you try and get the blocks to fill up a row
01:29 <DrJoeTron> its a puzzle game
01:29 <ghableska> before they reach the top
01:29 <Canada> oh i love that game
01:29 <ghableska> ...
01:29 <Canada> where you have to match the shapes
01:30 <madmax|pt> this one sucks, but you get the point http://www.bellaonline.com/code/tetris/
01:30 <Canada> and you have to fill the row
01:30 <Canada> i didnt know it was called tetris, my friend has it on his phone
01:31 <DrJoeTron> you know how to read labels?
01:31 <DrJoeTron> ghableska did the registration work?
01:31 <ghableska> yeah
01:31 <DrJoeTron> good :)
01:31 <ghableska> :)
01:32 <DrJoeTron> they only allow registration 72 hours a month
01:32 <ghableska> ah
01:32 <DrJoeTron> yaya the down rate picked up
01:32 <Canada> shit i lost
01:33 <Canada> btw, what did that building have to do with tetris
01:33 <ghableska> ...
01:33 <madmax|pt> o_O
01:34 <madmax|pt> besides being a big tetris game?
01:34 <MaZuffeR> #night
01:34 <armabot> Good night MaZuffeR!
01:34 <madmax|pt> gnight
01:34 <ghableska> night
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01:36 <spidey> wow
01:36 <ghableska> ?
01:36  * spidey slaps sense into Canada
01:36 <Lucifer_arma> can't slap sense into Canada, not while they're just imitation Americans anyway
01:36 <spidey> haha
01:36 <spidey> ooohhh
01:36 <spidey> i have a new slap
01:37  * spidey slaps the Canada out of ghableska 
01:37 <spidey> :O
01:38 <Canada> damn i lost tetris again
01:38 <Canada> its so addicting but i suck at it
01:39 <ghableska> spidey: I never had any in the first place
01:40 <spidey> ...
01:40 <spidey> tetris sucks
01:40 <spidey> i can play tetris with building block :O
01:42 <ghableska> is anyone else having trouble accessing the wiki?
01:44 <Lucifer_arma> what kind of trouble?
01:44 <ghableska> not loading...
01:45 <Lucifer_arma> timeout?  404 pge not found?
01:45 <madmax|pt> same
01:45 <ghableska> it's just a blank page
01:45 <spidey> can't find my pge either...
01:45 <Lucifer_arma> heh, spidey nitpicking typos, that's pretty funny
01:46 <ghableska> I don't get a loading bar or anything...
01:46 <spidey> xD
01:46 <spidey> you always do it to me, couldn't help myself :P
01:46 <Lucifer_arma> well, if it makes you feel better, the ssh server isn't responding either
01:46 <ghableska> heh
01:48 <spidey> #g $20 AUD in USD
01:48 <armabot> spidey: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
01:48 <spidey> ..
01:48 <ghableska> #g 20 AUD in USD
01:48 <armabot> ghableska: 20 Australian dollars = 15.67400 U.S. dollars
01:48 <ghableska> :)
01:49 <spidey> #g 30 AUD in USD
01:49 <armabot> spidey: 30 Australian dollars = 23.51100 U.S. dollars
01:49 <spidey> er
01:49 <spidey> #g 30 USD in AUD
01:49 <armabot> spidey: 30 U.S. dollars = 38.2799541 Australian dollars
01:51 <Lucifer_arma> try again
01:51 <spidey> maybe un a minute
01:51 <spidey> in
01:51 <ghableska> works, thanks :)
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01:55 <Lucifer_arma> I don't want to be an american anymore
01:55  * ghableska felt like that after watching a cetain video...
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> I thought they could cherry-pick their footage for the video, so it didn't bother me much
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> but answering yet another post like this one is it:
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=148701#148701
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> wot pont s it 2 abbr. "was" 2 "wuz"?
01:57 <ghableska> you understood that? o_O
01:57 <Canada> i just wrote a topic on forums about the me leaving / hyphy befriend + exposing
01:57 <ghableska> although it's pretty obvious that he's from the US
01:57 <Lucifer_arma> not at all, none of that post or any of JF-Carl's posts make any sense to me
01:57 <Canada> its quite funny if you think back about how much of an idiot hyphy is
01:58 <Lucifer_arma> hyphy is Pimp, didn't you know that?
01:58 <Canada> ol
01:58 <Canada> that carl guy cant spell
01:58 <Lucifer_arma> but I definitely can't think of a more telling statement of someone's intelligence than Canada saying he's an idiot
01:58 <Lucifer_arma> it's not just "can't spell", it's "he's not even trying"
01:58 <ghableska> heh
01:59 <Canada> Lucifer, i edited all my posts of annoyence, cant you just let that go :P
01:59 <madmax|pt> i think your avatar suits his posts quite nicely Lucifer_arma 
01:59 <Canada> plus, its completely true and legit knows it too, 
02:00 <Canada> it looks like a finger made out of dust
02:00 <Lucifer_arma> oh know, it gets even worse, not Legit thinks he's an idiot too!
02:00 <Lucifer_arma> *now
02:00 <Lucifer_arma> can we get luke-jr_ (hi there!) to say he's an idiot?
02:00 <ghableska> #legit
02:00 <armabot> Oooh, Legit. Oooh, Legit has quit. Oooh, Legit. Oooh, Legit has quit.
02:01 <Canada> lucifer, your an ego maniac, why do you think everyone is an idiot except you
02:01 <Lucifer_arma> what about my "an ego maniac"?
02:01 <Lucifer_arma> oh wait, you meant "you are"
02:02 <madmax|pt> where's JFCarl from?
02:02 <Canada> that contridicts what you said, because that didnt make a lick of sense lucifer
02:02 <ghableska> madmax|pt: guess ;)
02:02 <Lucifer_arma> at least I don't often confuse "you're" and "your"
02:03 <Canada> your = a possesion of the subject. you're = a conjunction of the words you & are
02:04 <ghableska> contraction?
02:04 <Lucifer_arma> so what does "your an ego maniac" mean, again?
02:04 <Canada> it still means you're an ego maniac but in incomplete english]
02:05 <Canada> or if you misspelled ego and meant eggo that would mean you're addicted to waffles
02:05 <madmax|pt> Your ego is quite maniac tron god!
02:05 <Lucifer_arma> ah, right.  Now I remember why I don't like you.  You're extremely judgemental, and you jump to assumptions about people.
02:06 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think you've once made an observation of any thoughts I have that has actually been true.
02:06 <Canada> lucifer, you're the one thats saying people are idiots because they use incomplete grammar
02:06 <Lucifer_arma> quite the contrary, I don't think spidey's an idiot.
02:06 <Lucifer_arma> Therefore, your statement is completely wrong.
02:06 <spidey> :D:D
02:06 <spidey> you know
02:07 <Lucifer_arma> and I don't think I said someone was stupid because of their shitty grammar.  If I did, show me.
02:07 <spidey> i don't really have grammar problems, i just typo alot
02:07 <Canada> that doesnt support your arguement, spidey is just 1 person
02:07 <Lucifer_arma> Use your superior intellect to copy and paste whatever I said and show me.
02:07 <spidey> if i did suckthat bad at it
02:07 <Lucifer_arma> eh?  "everyone but me" is a set of people that has to include spidey, by definition.
02:07 <spidey> i'd fail english, but i have a 97 semester avg
02:09 <Lucifer_arma> so, to dismiss your statement, I only need to provide one example of a person I don't think is an idiot.  Contrarily, to prove your statement, you have to provide over 6 billion people that I think are idiots.
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02:09 <spidey> lol
02:09 <Lucifer_arma> I love running him off.  :)
02:09 <ghableska> heh
02:09 <ghableska> so much for his promise...
02:10 <madmax|pt> "To be continued"
02:10  * Lucifer_arma wonders if Canada quit because he went through his backbuffer and read what I said
02:11 <Lucifer_arma> madmax|pt: sure you don't mean "2 b cunt in youd"?
02:11 <madmax|pt> gnight
02:12 <madmax|pt> I think I'd have to be in the US and have strange writing habits
02:13 <Lucifer_arma> indeed, sabarai used to be really bad about it
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02:17 <xfroggy> #seen Druka
02:17 <armabot> xfroggy: I have not seen Druka.
02:17 <xfroggy> #seen Durka
02:17 <armabot> xfroggy: Durka was last seen in #armagetron 1 hour, 26 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <Durka> heh bbl
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> #uberinsult xfroggy
02:18 <armabot> You're not even the void in Plus's head
02:18 <Canada> What i dont see. is lucifer why did you accept my apology for acting annoying, and before i said anything else inbetween when you started acting mean and when you said 'Well, er, apology accepted?'
02:19 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't see your apology for being hyper-sensitive...
02:19 <Canada> then what did you see it for
02:20 <Canada> and please, tell me, what have i done wrong inbetween then and now
02:20 <Lucifer_arma> low self-esteem, maybe?  Thin skin?  Can talk shit but can't take it?
02:20 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: ?
02:21 <Canada> because if nothing, i think it sad you cant help but blame things that happened months ago, because you have nothing else to do but blame things based on irrelevent things.
02:21 <Lucifer_arma> then, after someone (usually me) says something you don't like, you pass an extreme judgement on them, leap to some pretty odd assumptions about them, and start attacking
02:21 <Lucifer_arma> so, what's changed, exactly?
02:22 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma likes Canada ! I hate him! Let's boycott!
02:22 <luke-jr_> :D
02:22 <Canada> can you give an exact quote
02:22 <luke-jr_> j/k btw
02:22 <Lucifer_arma> I'm also curious where I posted that I would try to be easy to get along with :)
02:22 <Lucifer_arma> [19:01] <Canada> lucifer, your an ego maniac, why do you think everyone is an idiot except you
02:22 <luke-jr_> lol
02:23 <spidey> i say we boycott luke-jr_ 
02:23 <spidey> actually
02:23 <spidey> nvm, that's a ongoing thing already
02:23 <spidey> :)
02:23 <luke-jr_> screw you spidey 
02:23 <spidey> lmao
02:24 <luke-jr_> go play with Canada 
02:24 <Canada> so your saying the only way your going to like me is if everything goes your way and i just dont talk
02:24 <Canada> Lucifer_arma> then, after someone (usually me) says something you don't like, you pass an extreme judgement on them, leap to some pretty odd assumptions about them, and start attacking
02:24 <spidey> luke-jr_, you and canada will get along better
02:24 <spidey> turkey jerkers!
02:24 -!- SuPeRTaRD [n=blah@adsl-71-145-140-169.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #armagetron
02:24 <Canada> how would you know it was usually you
02:24 <luke-jr_> SuPeRTaRD: spidey loves Canada 
02:24 <spidey> ...
02:25 <luke-jr_> lol
02:25  * luke-jr_ spreads rumours!
02:25  * spidey copies the logs
02:25  * spidey points everyone to wrtlprnft's irc logs
02:25  * luke-jr_ goes back to fixing libGlicko2
02:25 <spidey> owned, try to lie some more :D
02:25 <Canada> lol
02:28 -!- Netsplit sterling.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: yojimbo, armabot, Lucifer_arma
02:29 -!- Netsplit over, joins: yojimbo, Lucifer_arma, armabot
02:29 <Canada> lucifer, i dont really want to fight with you, and dont see why you should think your smarter than me if you just want things to be hard. i dont see why you want getting along with others to be hard either, its just counter productive. you should stop blaming me about jumping to conclusions when your the route of the problem.
02:29 <Lucifer_arma> welcome back, everybody
02:29 <Lucifer_arma> Canada: then quit fighting with me?
02:29 <Lucifer_arma> really, the difference between me and you is you care about my opinion about you, but I don't give a shit what you think of me
02:29 <Lucifer_arma> I'm only having this conversation because I love teasing emo kids
02:31 <Canada> going back to what you said, 'you jump to conclusions' you jumped to the conclusion that i was emo, which i am not, so why are you trying to fight back when you're contridicting yourself
02:31 <Lucifer_arma> then quit whining about how you want me to like you?
02:31 <Lucifer_arma> that's a symptom of being an emo...
02:32 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma doesn't like me, but I don't care
02:32 <Canada> i dont want you to like me, i do not want to fight with you, you play a 0% chance in my reasonings in the real life, and its sad that your acting like you do
02:33 <Lucifer_arma> then shut the fuck up?
02:33 <luke-jr_> rofl
02:33 <xfroggy> #slap help
02:33 <xfroggy> hmm
02:33 <luke-jr_> #uberinsult xfroggy 
02:33 <Canada> and again, you just said you dont give a shit about what i think of you, but continue to try to force me to hate you
02:33  * xfroggy slaps Lucifer_arma for insult
02:33 <xfroggy> challenge taken :P
02:33 <Lucifer_arma> #help slap
02:33 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: There is no command "slap".
02:33 <armabot> You're not even the void in Plus's head
02:33 <xfroggy> where's my glove XD
02:34  * Lucifer_arma tells xfroggy he's not as smart as Lucifer_arma is
02:34 <xfroggy> O.o
02:34 <luke-jr_> everyone be quiet! ghableska's about to arrive
02:34  * xfroggy takes finds a glove and slaps Lucifer_arma in the face in front of everyone. 
02:34 <xfroggy> duel?
02:34 <luke-jr_> xfroggy: you're not subtle enough
02:34 <Lucifer_arma> damn, where's spidey and his illiterate chatter when you need him?
02:34 <Canada> ok now lucifer, your telling me to shut up, well i'll tell you to shut the fuck up because you arnt proving any point except that you yell at people for no apparent reason
02:34 <luke-jr_> try poisoning his water supply
02:35 <xfroggy> =\
02:35 <luke-jr_> Canada: watch your language!!!
02:35 <Canada> scroll up, he did it too :O
02:35 <luke-jr_> there's children in here!
02:35 <luke-jr_> he always does it :O
02:35 <Canada> lol
02:35  * luke-jr_ points at spidey 
02:35 <Lucifer_arma> Canada: I'm not trying to force anything on you, you're free to develop whatever opinion of me you want.
02:35  * xfroggy is influenced by bad language
02:36 <Lucifer_arma> nevertheless, the facts will no doubt show that I have done nothing unusual (for me) here, and yet there are 14 people here besides you who never whine at me about how I act
02:36 <Lucifer_arma> amazingly enough, I included luke-jr in that count
02:36 <Canada> ok, then stop trying to force the opinion that you want me you hate you
02:37 <Canada> <Lucifer_arma> I'm also curious where I posted that I would try to be easy to get along with :)
02:38  * Lucifer_arma points a gun at Canada and commands him to hate Lucifer_arma
02:38 <luke-jr_> ineerstnitgly, msot pelpoe unretsdand wrdos jsut frm teh frsit aud lsat lertets in thom
02:38 <Lucifer_arma> oh wait, I have to respond to xfroggy's duel first
02:38 <Canada> so that means that you can say something i dont like but i'm not alowed to do anything about it?
02:38 <xfroggy> O.o
02:38 <Lucifer_arma> you're not allowed to take anything that happens on the internet personally, unless you're an emo kid
02:38 <Canada> luke, you sounded like carl O.o
02:38 <Lucifer_arma> not that it matters, I'm just as much a prick in person :)
02:39 <ghableska> luke-jr_: why should everyone go quiet when I get here? o_O
02:39 <Lucifer_arma> ghableska: so we don't offend you?
02:39 <ghableska> err
02:39 <xfroggy> lmao
02:39 <ghableska> what?
02:39 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, I really need to take this duel with xfroggy more seriously
02:39  * Lucifer_arma gets his foil
02:40 <ghableska> don't forget, I have chat logs as well :)
02:40 <Canada> sorry ghab, you missed me and lucifer's pointless fighting
02:40 <luke-jr_> not if you're not here
02:40 <Lucifer_arma> well, we didn't say anything bad about Iowans
02:40 <ghableska> heh
02:40 <luke-jr_> we should have..
02:40 <ghableska> that's what GodTodd is for
02:40 <Lucifer_arma> no, you missed Canada being baited time and time again
02:40 <ghableska> no, I scrolled up
02:40 <ghableska> :)
02:40 <Lucifer_arma> luke-baiting is decidedly more fun than baiting canada
02:41 <Lucifer_arma> too bad he's almost immune to it now :(
02:41 <Canada> obviously, because i squirm
02:41 <ghableska> heh
02:41 <ghableska> #luke
02:41 <Lucifer_arma> #rules
02:41 <armabot> A web variant of the english language in which letters are replaced with numbers and/or symbols that approximate letters. Though its use is considered cool in certain gaming or hacking communities, it's use here is frowned upon except in a strictly satirical sense. Talking like this was cool when you were 8 and used AOL. Figure it out.
02:41  * luke-jr_ snickers
02:41 <ghableska> #kill luke-jr_
02:41 <armabot> luke-jr_ will die on Mon Nov 12 06:52:29 1990 due to being stabbed in the eye by guru3.
02:41 <Canada> rofl
02:41 <Canada> wait, does that mean luke is already dead
02:41 <luke-jr_> yup
02:42 <Canada> lol
02:42 <Lucifer_arma> he's in heaven, that's why his ping is so sucky
02:42 <Canada> lol
02:42 <ghableska> God has dial-up
02:42 <Lucifer_arma> God didn't create fios, man did!
02:43 <Canada> god made dial up so we could complain about it
02:43 <Canada> god made dial up so we could complain about it
02:43 <Lucifer_arma> did you really have to say that twice?
02:43 <Canada> this thing is skrewed up, it didnt post then it double posted
02:43 <Canada> its because i'm running nixdas or w/e
02:44 <Canada> this computer doesnt have x-chat
02:44 <luke-jr_> so install it
02:44 <Canada> i barely use this computer, not worth it
02:44 <Canada> i cant play arma on this computer
02:44 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, "it's not worth trying not to annoy people"
02:44 <Canada> it times out on the master servers
02:44 <Lucifer_arma> didn't he make a promise to try not to annoy people?
02:44 <Canada> how am i annoying people
02:44 <Canada> he asked
02:45 <Lucifer_arma> by not using punctuation?
02:45 <Canada> cant you stop trying to prove points, because it wont make a difference in the long run
02:45 <ghableska> o0
02:45 <Lucifer_arma> *can't
02:45 <Canada> will it made it happy if i do
02:45 <Canada> ?
02:45 <luke-jr_> Canada: 
02:45 <luke-jr_> type /ignore Lucifer_arma 
02:45 <Canada> luke-jr_
02:46 <Canada> nah, i dont hate him
02:46 <luke-jr_> then stfu
02:46 <luke-jr_> :)
02:46  * ghableska recalls his experience with /ignore
02:46 <Canada> lol
02:47 <ghableska> hey! a new reply from carl
02:47 <Canada> lucifer, what internet browser do you use
02:47 <ghableska> "duz any1 hav a link 4 this wall color change patch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
02:48 <Canada> lucifer, why are you wasting your time trying to get me to use punctuation, when you can chastice carl to use english
02:49 <[dlh]> #dict chastice
02:49 <armabot> [dlh]: No definition for "chastice" could be found.
02:52 <Canada> probably misspelled ?
02:52 <Canada> lol ghab... O_o
02:53 <Canada> why is everyone quiet.. i feel lonely ;{
02:54 <Canada> if only carl was here...
02:54 -!- Your_mom_arma [n=Your_mom@pool-70-106-112-97.pskn.east.verizon.net] has joined #armagetron
02:54 <Canada> welcome 
02:56 <Lucifer_arma> I already chastised carl.  :)
02:57 <Lucifer_arma> Canada: I use links
02:57 <ghableska> #weather 50266
02:57 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 32.7°F (7:56 PM CST on March 04, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 23.0°F. Windchill: 28.4°F. Pressure: 29.26 in 990.7 hPa. 
02:57 <Canada> links of what
02:58 <Lucifer_arma> links, it's a webbrowser, stupid
02:58 <Lucifer_arma> #google links
02:58 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Search took 0.21 seconds: Links @Sourceforge.net: <http://links.sourceforge.net/>; Hyperlink - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperlink>; Link - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link>; The LINKS , Incorporated: <http://www.linksinc.org/>; Links in HTML documents: <http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/links.html>; (1 more message)
02:58 <Canada> who would call a browser links
02:58 <Lucifer_arma> first link
02:58 <Lucifer_arma> the people at links.sourceforge.net
02:59 <Canada> i make links on links
02:59 <Canada> O_o
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02:59 <Lucifer_arma> it's a pun on an older browser, lynx, dumbass
02:59 <Canada> i have no clue what your talking about now
02:59 <Canada> lynx is a wild cat
02:59 <Canada> #dict lynx
02:59 <armabot> Canada: wn, foldoc, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: lynx n : short-tailed wildcats with usually tufted ears; valued for their fur [syn: {catamount}]; moby-thes: 24 Moby Thesaurus words for "lynx": Argus, Leo, Siberian tiger, bobcat, cat, cat-a-mountain, catamount, cheetah, cougar, eagle, ferret, hawk, jaguar, leopard, lion, mountain lion, ocelot, painter, panther, puma, simba, (5 more messages)
02:59 <Lucifer_arma> [19:47] <Canada> lucifer, what internet browser do you use  <--- I'm answering that question, duh
03:00 <Lucifer_arma> lynx is also a browser
03:00 <ghableska> ack, you really use that?
03:00 <Lucifer_arma> a web browser
03:00 <Lucifer_arma> for browsing the world wide web
03:00 <Canada> i use ie and firefox for when ie fails
03:00 <Lucifer_arma> for browsing servers hosted on port 80 on the internet
03:00 <Lucifer_arma> for accessing servers hosted on port 80 on the internet using http
03:01 <Canada> i really dont care anymore
03:01 <Lucifer_arma> for all other types of internet browsing, I use nmap
03:01 <Canada> #google earth area 51
03:01 <armabot> Canada: Search took 0.12 seconds: Area 51: <http://www.ufomind.com/area51/>; Google Earth Area 51 Desert Anomaly Patterns: <http://www.informantnews.com/pics3/googlearea51.html>; Techie Manager // jarnot.com » They Come in Peace…and for the BBQ: <http://www.jarnot.com/wp/archives/2006/04/they-come-in-pe.php>; Aliens on Earth - Mothership: <http://www.aliensonearth.com/>; Live Local (2 more messages)
03:01 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r7161 /tools/libGlicko2/ (. branches/ tags/ trunk/): libGlicko2 directories
03:02 <Canada> aliens like BBQ?
03:02 <xfroggy> bbq & chicken wings
03:03  * Lucifer_arma lunges at xfroggy
03:03 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r7162 /tools/misc-rating/: misc rating stuff
03:03 <Lucifer_arma> in quarte
03:03  * Lucifer_arma lunges at xfroggy in quarte
03:03 <Canada> from kfc?
03:03 <xfroggy> O.o
03:03 <Canada> :P
03:03  * xfroggy takes out ap istol and shoots Lucifer_arma in the heart
03:03 <xfroggy> game over.
03:03 <ghableska> heh
03:03 <Canada> why did you do that
03:03 <Lucifer_arma> too late!  I already stabbed you in the heart!
03:03 <ghableska> ap istol
03:03 <Lucifer_arma> you should've parried instead!
03:04 <xfroggy> I had my last shot 
03:04 <Canada> i already married your dog, and shot your wife
03:04 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o Lucifer_arma] by ChanServ
03:04 -!- xfroggy was kicked from #armagetron by Lucifer_arma [PWNED]
03:04 -!- xfroggy [n=xfroggy@crlspr-] has joined #armagetron
03:04 <xfroggy> O.o
03:04 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o Lucifer_arma] by Lucifer_arma
03:04 <Your_mom_arma> haha
03:04 <Canada> stop the german
03:04 <luke-jr_> power abuse! :p
03:04 <xfroggy> lmao
03:05 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r7163 /tools/misc-rating/table.php: original vague php crap
03:05 <xfroggy> next time, we playing russian roulette
03:05  * Canada doesn't know german ;{
03:05 <Canada> or russian
03:05 <Lucifer_arma> quarte is french, dumbshit
03:05 <Canada> i wasnt talking about that
03:05 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r7164 /tools/misc-rating/process: original ladderlog processing script
03:05 <Lucifer_arma> it's inside the sword, above the guard
03:05 <ghableska> Lucifer_arma: for how long have you been fencing?
03:05 <Lucifer_arma> because we were *dueling*
03:05 <Canada> xfroggy wurde gekicked durch Lucifer_arma (PWNED)
03:05 <Canada> *** xfroggy hat den Raum #armagetron betreten
03:05 <Canada> i was talking about - 
03:05 <Canada> xfroggy wurde gekicked durch Lucifer_arma (PWNED)
03:05 <Canada> *** xfroggy hat den Raum #armagetron betreten
03:05 <Canada> oops
03:05 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, few weeks?  month or two?
03:05 <xfroggy> O.o
03:06 <ghableska> enjoy it? :)
03:06 <Lucifer_arma> Canada: it's because nixda.net is for the german armagetron community
03:06 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r7165 /tools/misc-rating/ (process process.01 process.02): more ladderlog processing stuff
03:06 <Lucifer_arma> ghableska: immensely.  :)  Last time I beat a Fencing 2 student :)
03:06 <Canada> i thought you were from texas
03:06 <xfroggy> in the few days, when my wound will heal
03:06 <xfroggy> Oo!
03:06 <xfroggy> Texas stand off!
03:06 <ghableska> so how long is that class?
03:06  * xfroggy is a cowboy at heart
03:06 <Canada> lol froggy
03:07 <xfroggy> :P
03:07 <Lucifer_arma> what's a Texas stand off?  Is it when we all stand around with empty beer cans and wonder who's going to finish priming the truck?
03:07 <Lucifer_arma> ghableska: 2.5 hours or so
03:07 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r7166 /tools/misc-rating/ (process.03 process.Elo): parse ladderlog and apply Elo rating
03:07 <xfroggy> hmm, that's Redneck standoff
03:07 <Canada> lucifer_arma: its when you... uhmm...
03:07 <Canada> #dict texas stand offf
03:08 <armabot> Canada: No definition for "texas stand offf" could be found.
03:08 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r7167 /tools/misc-rating/process: more odd stuff
03:08 <Canada> #dict texas stand off
03:08 <armabot> Canada: No definition for "texas stand off" could be found.
03:08 <Canada> #wikipedia texas stand off
03:08 <armabot> Canada: Search took 0.26 seconds: Waco Siege - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_Siege>; Main Building of The University of Texas at Austin - Wikipedia ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Building_of_The_University_of_Texas_at_Austin>; University of Texas at Austin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (3 more messages)
03:08 <Canada> thats what it is...
03:08 <xfroggy> XD
03:08 <Lucifer_arma> FBI massacring religious freaks?  that's a Texas stand off?
03:08 <Canada> waco siege
03:08 <Canada> ya
03:09 <Lucifer_arma> or is it when you go to the top of a tall building and sniper people?
03:09 <Lucifer_arma> *snipe
03:09 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r7168 /tools/libGlicko2/trunk/libGlicko2.php: first working libGlicko2 w/ test
03:09 <Canada> either will do
03:09 <xfroggy> 2nd one
03:09  * xfroggy reloads the riffle
03:09 <Lucifer_arma> I swear, I think it has to involve beer if it's going to be a texas stand off
03:09 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r7169 /tools/libGlicko2/trunk/libGlicko2.php: round ranges
03:09  * Canada doesnt know what a riffle is
03:09 <Lucifer_arma> or longhorns and aggies, one of the two
03:09 <ghableska> aggies?
03:09 <Canada> how about, FBI massacres religious freaks with empty beer cans
03:10 <Lucifer_arma> aggies = Texas A&M
03:10 <xfroggy> bud-wei-ser
03:10 <Lucifer_arma> only people in Texas I've ever seen drink budweiser were mexicans
03:10 <Canada> i thought it was prenounced bun-wai-zer
03:11 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r7170 /tools/libGlicko2/trunk/libGlicko2.php: current more systematic revision
03:11 <Canada> bud-wai-zer*
03:11 <xfroggy> what do people drink in TX? O.o
03:11 <ghableska> water?
03:11 <Canada> cow blood
03:11  * Lucifer_arma drinks a shitload of iced tea
03:11 <xfroggy> to get wasted?
03:11 <xfroggy> must be alot of ice tea.
03:11 <Your_mom_arma> long island style
03:11 <Lucifer_arma> oh, no, we drink beer like anybody else
03:11 <Canada> they sip cowblood out of the cows neck
03:11 <xfroggy> O.o
03:11 <Lucifer_arma> *cow's
03:12 <Lucifer_arma> *cow's blood
03:12 <Lucifer_arma> *They
03:12 <Lucifer_arma> *neck.
03:12 <Canada> go chastise carl
03:12  * luke-jr_ reinstates the prohibition, inquisition, and crusades.
03:12 <xfroggy> yay
03:12  * ghableska recalls the children's crusade
03:12 <Lucifer_arma> what would the world be like without Catholic mass murder?
03:12 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, it would be more populous!
03:12 <Lucifer_arma> so much for right to life
03:13 <luke-jr_> criminals give up that right
03:13 <luke-jr_> just like they give up their other rights
03:13 <Canada> what would the world be like without dignity
03:13 <Lucifer_arma> whereas sperms that only have half of what's needed to make a child have that right inherently?
03:13 <Lucifer_arma> Canada: it would look like JF Carl
03:13 <luke-jr_> sperm has no right foo
03:13 <Your_mom_arma> Didnt the catholic church apologize for the crusades luke-jr_?
03:13 <Canada> probably
03:13 <Lucifer_arma> then why can't I wrap it and prevent it from fertilizing my wife's egg?
03:13 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: no, there's nothing to apologize for
03:14 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: because that violates God's rights
03:14 <Canada> that sounds like what someone would do in a californian day care, were sorry we mass murdered your religion, will you forgive us?
03:14 <luke-jr_> it also violates the marital vows
03:14 <Canada> we're
03:14 <ghableska> Canada: do you live in CA?
03:14 <Canada> no
03:14 <Canada> i live in DC
03:14 <luke-jr_> Legit, Durka, and Hyphy do
03:15 <Canada> lol 
03:15 <Canada> Hyphy
03:15 <Your_mom_arma> canada doesnt even live in the usa
03:15 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: God doesn't have rights because he's not human
03:15 <Canada> i live in heaven
03:15 <Lucifer_arma> only humans have rights!
03:15 <Canada> #weather heaven
03:15 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: Humans only have rights that God gives us
03:15 <armabot> Canada: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "heaven".
03:15 <Canada> i told god to punish carl by stealing his dignity
03:16 <Lucifer_arma> no, they're called "natural rights" because they're natural, and god isn't natural
03:16 <Your_mom_arma> luke dont we have free will?
03:16 <luke-jr_> God creates nature
03:16 <Canada> no, if we had free will, we'd be like carl
03:16 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: so?
03:16 <Canada> everything relates back to carl, even mass serial killings
03:17 <luke-jr_> we have a free will so that we can choose right
03:17 <Your_mom_arma> or wrong
03:17 <luke-jr_> nope
03:17 <Lucifer_arma> which is why so many people are choosing NotGod, because God is a serial mass murderer, and therefore not worth worshipping
03:17 <Canada> no, thats the point of not haviing free will, if we chose our own rights, we'd still be nagotiating whether the world was flat or not
03:18 <Lucifer_arma> *negotiating
03:18 <luke-jr_> Canada: you misunderstood me :p
03:18 <Canada> :]
03:18 <Canada> no, god is a giant spigetti monster
03:18 <Lucifer_arma> and no, we wouldn't, because it has been scientifically demonstrated that not only is the world not flat, it revolves around the sun
03:18 <Your_mom_arma> free will implies that you can choose either not that your forced to choose one over the other because you where given said free will
03:18 <luke-jr_> we have free will so we can choose to do what is objectively right
03:18 <luke-jr_> actually, science backs that the sun revolves around the Earth more
03:18 <luke-jr_> but neither has been proven beyond all doubt
03:18 <Lucifer_arma> actually, it doesn't
03:18 <Canada> no, the world revolves around heaven, thats why heaven is inside earth, thus, the reason the world spins
03:18 <Lucifer_arma> and it has been proven beyond all doubt
03:19 <luke-jr_> Canada: the world doesn't spin
03:19 <Canada> yes it does
03:19 <luke-jr_> no
03:19 <Lucifer_arma> otherwise, the spacecraft we've sent to mars, Venus, et al, would never have made it
03:19 <luke-jr_> the Earth is unmoving
03:19 <Canada> yes
03:19 <Canada> thats why the sun never sets on the british empire
03:19 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: the GPS system had to be adjusted for account for the flawed ideas about Earth movement
03:19 <Lucifer_arma> which flawed ideas, exactly?
03:20 <luke-jr_> I'd need to look that up :p
03:20 <Lucifer_arma> of course
03:20 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it had to be adjusted for the fact that effects of gravity aren't perfectly spherical?
03:20 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it had to be adjusted to account for the fact that the choice of the 0 longitudinal line is completely arbitrary?
03:20 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it had to be adjusted because the poles themselves move?
03:20 <Your_mom_arma> well actually anything can stay perfectly still relativly. ie earth stays still and the rest of the universe moves in such a way that it creates the illusion we circle the sun
03:21 <Lucifer_arma> the earth's movement isn't simple...
03:21 <Lucifer_arma> I had a similar argument with my 6 year old the other night :)
03:21 <ghableska> heh
03:22  * [dlh] *
03:22 <Canada> http://youtube.com/watch?v=OGuSRuSunjo
03:22 <Canada> thats the meaning of life
03:24 <Canada> but why would the earth be the only thing not moving, why not pluto, or mars
03:24 <Canada> but why would the earth be the only thing not moving, why not pluto, or mars
03:24 <Canada> stupid thing double posted again
03:24 <ghableska> use Trillian
03:25 <Canada> 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592
03:25 <luke-jr_> because the Earth is the most important?
03:25 <Lucifer_arma> we observe pluto and mars moving
03:25 <Lucifer_arma> just like we observe the earth moving, and the sun
03:25 <Lucifer_arma> the only thing not moving is my penis
03:25 <Canada> ...
03:25 <Lucifer_arma> (hey, if you're going to just pick arbitrary bodies in space to declare not moving as most important, my penis is as good a pick as any)
03:26 <luke-jr_> http://www.geocentricity.com/geocentricity/itf.html
03:27 <Canada> http://www.cynical-c.com/archives/bloggraphics/headbar6.jpg
03:27 <Canada> your penis isnt a planet, tard
03:27 <Canada> so what makes it better than mars
03:28 <Lucifer_arma> Canada: you don't know, you've never seen my penis
03:28 <luke-jr_> Mars is barren?
03:28 <Canada> i dont want to
03:28 <Canada> so is venus
03:28 <Canada> and your anus
03:28 <luke-jr_> http://www.ldolphin.org/geocentricity/Aspects.pdf
03:28 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: the only problem with this is that we've actually sent objects outside our solar system (unless you define to oort cloud as inside our solar system)
03:28 <Your_mom_arma> what i had said canada declares anything can remain perfectly still ecen a single adam or something malliable like a piece of gum
03:29 <spidey> #last --with spidey --nolimit
03:29 <Your_mom_arma> even*
03:29 <armabot> spidey: [02:48:18] * luke-jr_ points at spidey , [02:45:56] <Lucifer_arma> damn, where's spidey and his illiterate chatter when you need him?, [02:38:14] <luke-jr_> SuPeRTaRD: spidey loves Canada, [02:34:51] <luke-jr_> screw you spidey, [02:18:36] <Lucifer_arma> eh?  "everyone but me" is a set of people that has to include spidey, by definition., [02:18:21] <Canada> that doesnt support your (10 more messages)
03:29 <Your_mom_arma> atom*
03:29 <Canada> what kind of idiot would write 122 pages about anything
03:29 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: not outside  of the universe
03:29 <spidey> luke-jr_, don't point at me :|
03:29 <luke-jr_> Canada must not read muchh
03:29 <spidey> there isn't a outside of the universe? :O
03:29 <luke-jr_> spidey: exactly
03:29 <Canada> sure i read, but not that crap
03:29 <spidey> universe is everything
03:29 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: so what happens when pioneer gets as far out as this firmament is supposed to be?
03:30 <Canada> Lucifer_arma: nothijng
03:30 <luke-jr_> it is impossible to observe where the center is, thus science can never prove 100% anything of that sort
03:30 <Canada> nothing*
03:30 <Lucifer_arma> ah, you're expecting 100% proof out of science
03:30 <spidey> wo
03:30 <spidey> wow
03:30 <Lucifer_arma> maybe if you set your expectations more realistically, you'd be satisfied with science
03:30 <Canada> Jonathan understood carl
03:30 <spidey> luke-jr_, why not ask your god where it is?
03:31 <spidey> :O
03:31 <luke-jr_> spidey: Earth :)
03:31 <spidey> i mean he talks to you, right? :O!
03:31 <luke-jr_> IIRC, it was created first too
03:31 <luke-jr_> so it makes sense
03:31 <Canada> spidey: i'm god
03:31 <spidey> Canada, you're a peasant
03:31 <spidey> stfu
03:31 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o spidey] by ChanServ
03:31 <Canada> i'm god
03:31 <@spidey> ooohhh
03:31 <@spidey> :O
03:31 <Canada> #uberinsult spidey
03:31 <armabot> You're not even the void in Plus's head
03:31 <ghableska> no, spidey is god
03:31 <Canada> who changed it to my gay alias
03:31 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o Lucifer_arma] by ChanServ
03:31 <@spidey> lol xD
03:31 <@Lucifer_arma> oh shit, now there's two gods!
03:32 <Canada> change it back to canada :P
03:32 <@Lucifer_arma> so much for monotheism
03:32 <@spidey> hey!
03:32 <ghableska> darn, polytheism :/
03:32 <@spidey> ok
03:32 <@spidey> i'll be the goddess
03:32 <@spidey> :O
03:32 <@Lucifer_arma> you'll be my bitch, spidey?  for real?
03:32 <ghableska> haha
03:32 <@spidey> LOL!
03:32 <Canada> lol
03:32 <Your_mom_arma> why hasnt canada been kicked yet
03:32  * [dlh] was wondering the same thing
03:32 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o Your_mom_arma] by ChanServ
03:32 <@spidey> lol
03:32 <Canada> because i didnt do anything you tard
03:32 <@spidey> just did
03:32 <@Lucifer_arma> oh shit, 3 gods!
03:32 <@spidey> :O
03:33 -!- Canada was kicked from #armagetron by Your_mom_arma [Your_mom_arma]
03:33 <[dlh]> haha
03:33  * ghableska quickly converts to turdism
03:33 <@spidey> mom's the ubergoddess! :O
03:33 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o Lucifer_arma] by Lucifer_arma
03:33 <Lucifer_arma> trying not to clutter up the god namespace
03:33  * spidey goes back to playing tremulous
03:33 <ghableska> spidey?
03:33 <@spidey> mm?
03:33 <@spidey> hurry
03:34 <ghableska> tremulous, what is it?
03:34 <@spidey> i'm getting killed by a alien
03:34 <@spidey> tremulous.net
03:34 <@spidey> bbl :D
03:34 <ghableska> *an
03:34 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: mind looking at libGlicko2? :)
03:35 <Lucifer_arma> not right this minute.  Trying to coax wxMaxima to graph something for me
03:36 <luke-jr_> how about [dlh]?
03:36 -!- Nixda303 [n=484b21b2@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
03:36 <Nixda303>  
03:36 -!- Nixda303 is now known as Canada
03:36 <Canada> ?
03:37 <[dlh]> meh, I'll look at it.
03:37 <ghableska> err
03:37 <Canada> god, you guys are so annoying
03:37 <@Your_mom_arma> Do I... Do I kick him again?
03:37 <Canada> your, tell me why you want to kick me
03:37 <[dlh]> nah
03:38 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, kick him because he said we're annoying
03:38 <Canada> i'll just come back
03:38 <Lucifer_arma> that would be annoying
03:38 <Canada> no, it would be annoying if you kicked me, because it would be a waste of time
03:39 -!- Canada was kicked from #armagetron by Your_mom_arma [Your_mom_arma]
03:39 <ghableska> heh
03:39 <@Your_mom_arma> i've got plenty of time right now
03:40 <ghableska> I was only ops for a few seconds once, before I kicked myself just to prove I could :)
03:40 <@Your_mom_arma> hahaa
03:40 -!- Carl_ [n=484b21b2@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
03:40 <Carl_> ..
03:40 <ghableska> nice try :p
03:40 <Carl_> :p
03:40 <Carl_> you realize i'm not the one being annoying
03:40 <Lucifer_arma> the real carl would've kept his klan association
03:41 <Carl_> lol
03:41 <Lucifer_arma> right, you're never annoying, of course
03:41 <Carl_> stfu
03:41 <Lucifer_arma> can you just once look at yourself before pointing fingers?
03:41 <xfroggy> #roulette
03:41 <armabot> xfroggy: *click*
03:41 <Carl_> can you stop kicking me?
03:41 <Lucifer_arma> you may be right, maybe you're not annoying (heh), but at least try looking at yourself
03:41 <xfroggy> *click* XD
03:41 <Carl_> ok i'll stop being annoying if you stop kicking me
03:42 <Lucifer_arma> how about you stop being annoying?
03:42 <Carl_> ...
03:42 <luke-jr_> can we ban Hyphy from the master servers?
03:42 <Carl_> please do
03:42 <xfroggy> I *vote* yes
03:42 <@Your_mom_arma> no stipulations
03:42 <Lucifer_arma> no, we can't
03:43 <Carl_> lucifer, why did you have to ruin that thought
03:43 <xfroggy> I liked that idea lol
03:43 <Lucifer_arma> but we might be able to ban that asshat Canada
03:43 <Carl_> :p
03:43 <Carl_> O_o
03:44 <Carl_> at least legit is usually good, hyphy is like non stop crap
03:44 <Lucifer_arma> the real question is, what idiot hosted a server for Hyphy?
03:44 <[dlh]> haha
03:44 <@Your_mom_arma> hahaha'
03:44 <ghableska> hahaha
03:44 <xfroggy> I'll add to that also, hahahaha
03:44 <Carl_> and at least when i'm playing i'm too busy trying not to die to be annoying to lucifer
03:45 -!- Carl_ is now known as Canada
03:46 <luke-jr_> Hyphy has a server?
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> *had
03:48 <Lucifer_arma> the way I understand it, it turned out he paid for it with a stolen credit card...
03:48 <ghableska> sorry to interrupt, but how do you add a quote?
03:48 <Lucifer_arma> #quote add sorry to interrupt, but how do you add a quote? -- ghableska
03:48 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
03:49 <Lucifer_arma> #quote add sorry to interrupt, but how do you add a quote? -- ghableska
03:49 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.  Quote #43 added.
03:49 <xfroggy> #quote random
03:49 <armabot> xfroggy: Quote #33: "that wasn't a war, that was you losing units trying to attack one city...then mom joined in with howtizers-spidey" (added by spidey at 04:07 AM, November 07, 2006)
03:49 <Lucifer_arma> #q
03:49 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #36: "<Durka> HEY im a n00b" (added by spidey at 08:45 PM, December 07, 2006)
03:49 <xfroggy> lol
03:49 <ghableska> #quote add the real question is, what idiot hosted a server for Hyphy? -- Lucifer_arma
03:49 <armabot> ghableska: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
03:49 <Lucifer_arma> #q
03:49 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #35: "ur not a good writer :P - Ady" (added by Lucifer_arma at 11:00 PM, November 13, 2006)
03:50 <@Your_mom_arma> ghab you have to register with armabot to add quotes
03:50 <Canada> Lucifer, wouldnt it be possible to get admins from every server to boot hyphy from the servers for 99999999999999999999 minutes
03:50 <xfroggy> I want to be in a quote! :P
03:50 <Lucifer_arma> why don't you ask every admin to do it?
03:50 <ghableska> err, how?
03:50 <Lucifer_arma>  /msg armabot register ghableska thisismypassword
03:50 <Lucifer_arma> then
03:50 <Lucifer_arma>  /msg armabot identify ghableska thisismypassword
03:50 <Canada> ?
03:50 <xfroggy> Oo, I can add quotes too?
03:50 <@spidey>  Successful requests: 29,610
03:50 <@spidey> Average successful requests per day: 669 
03:50 <@spidey> O.o
03:51 <Lucifer_arma> you have to be registered here to do it, of course
03:51 <@spidey> we get 669 page views a day, average
03:51 <Lucifer_arma> who's we?
03:51 <Canada> whats the good of addy quotes
03:51 <@spidey> FA
03:51 <Canada> adding*
03:51 <Canada> whats FA
03:51 <@spidey> a clan
03:51 <Canada> #dict FA
03:51 <armabot> Canada: wn, gcide, and vera responded: vera: FA FernmeldeAmt (Telekom); wn: fa n : the syllable naming the fourth (subdominant) note of the diatonic scale in solmization; gcide: Fa \Fa\ (f[aum]), n. [It.] (Mus.) (a) A syllable applied to the fourth tone of the diatonic scale in solmization. (b) The tone F. [1913 Webster]
03:51 <ghableska> #quote add the real question is, what idiot hosted a server for Hyphy? -- Lucifer_arma
03:51 <armabot> ghableska: The operation succeeded.  Quote #44 added.
03:51 <ghableska> :D
03:51 <ghableska> thanks
03:51 <@Your_mom_arma> fallen angels iirc
03:52 <Lucifer_arma> fallin'
03:52 <xfroggy>  #quote add the real question is, what idiot hosted a server for Hyphy? -- Lucifer_arma
03:52 <@spidey> fallin-angels :O
03:52 <xfroggy> Oo
03:52 <Canada> whats a hpyhy
03:52 <ghableska> xfroggy: ...
03:52 <Canada> hyphy*
03:52 <xfroggy> tried O.o
03:52 <Lucifer_arma> ooo, I've been added twice now :)
03:52 <Lucifer_arma> #q
03:52 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #29: "It was like playing a game with a ping of 3000. -- John Carmack, Founder, Armadillo Aerospace" (added by GodTodd at 05:34 AM, October 29, 2006)
03:52 <@Your_mom_arma> #quote get 11
03:52 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Error: There is no Quote with id #11 in my database for #armagetron.
03:52 <@Your_mom_arma> hmm
03:53 <ghableska> #quote get 45
03:53 <armabot> ghableska: Error: There is no Quote with id #45 in my database for #armagetron.
03:53 <Canada> #Q 1
03:53 <armabot> Canada: Quote #15: "You see a body ripped appart, blood splatter on the ceiling, gore all over. Tell me, would you really suspect that worm making a run for it toward the door at 5 cm per minute? No you would not! - philippeqc" (added by n54 at 08:09 PM, April 25, 2006)
03:53 <@Your_mom_arma> #quote get 9
03:53 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Quote #9: "he eats a bowl of wheat stocks and small pebbles -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 04:28 PM, March 29, 2006)
03:53 <Canada> thats creepy
03:53 <Canada> #quote get 1
03:53 <armabot> Canada: Quote #1: "Was this compiled by our friend Sum Ting Wong? --WallyWallWhackr" (added by Lucifer_arma at 06:37 AM, March 24, 2006)
03:53 <Lucifer_arma> #q
03:53 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #28: "i can't speel either --Fonkay" (added by Lucifer_arma at 07:38 AM, October 28, 2006)
03:53 <Canada> lol
03:53 <Lucifer_arma> #q
03:53 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #27: "thats like asking if vegetarians can eat animal crackers -- DrJoeTron" (added by Lucifer_arma at 06:12 AM, October 26, 2006)
03:54 <Canada> rofl
03:54 <Canada> #q
03:54 <armabot> Canada: Quote #21: "<Luke-Jr_work__> btw, pedophile is good" (added by spidey at 06:34 AM, September 09, 2006)
03:54 <xfroggy> O.o
03:54 <ghableska> #q
03:54 <armabot> ghableska: Quote #3: "um, try spelling it wirght :) -- Lucifer" (added by Lucifer_arma at 06:22 AM, March 27, 2006)
03:54 <ghableska> heh
03:54 <Canada> lmao
03:55 <Canada> #q
03:55 <armabot> Canada: Quote #39: "spidey sucks cow dick?" (added by Vanhayes at 01:47 AM, December 13, 2006)
03:55 <Canada> lmao
03:55 <Canada> spidey, do you
03:55 <@spidey> ...
03:55 <@Your_mom_arma> can i kick him now?
03:55 <ghableska> 3...
03:55 <@spidey> sure, he's interupting me
03:56 <ghableska> 2..
03:56 <Canada> bye bye
03:56 -!- Canada was kicked from #armagetron by Your_mom_arma [Your_mom_arma]
03:56 <ghableska> "DrJoeTron:     M-M-M-MONSTER BAN"
03:56 <ghableska> heh
03:57 -!- Canada [n=484b21b2@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
03:57 <Canada> i'm back! :]
03:59 <@Your_mom_arma> ...
03:59 <Canada> makes me happy when you look past others mistakes while hunting for mine
03:59 <Lucifer_arma> what word best describes someone who repeatedly comes back after being kicked?
03:59 <@spidey> annoying?
03:59 <luke-jr_> persistent
03:59 <Canada> Donkeyblower
04:00 <ghableska> desperate?
04:00 <@spidey> you calling yourself a donkey dick sucker?
04:00  * luke-jr_ peers at Canada 
04:00 <Canada> no
04:00 <xfroggy> Canada, did you just called yourself Donkeyblower?
04:00 <Canada> no
04:00 <luke-jr_> I think you did...
04:00 <Canada> it was your imagination, why would i say such a thing
04:00  * ghableska points at the chat logs
04:00 <Canada> O_o
04:00  * spidey points at ghableska's post
04:01 <ghableska> what's wrong?
04:01 <Canada> #q
04:01 <armabot> Canada: Quote #35: "ur not a good writer :P - Ady" (added by Lucifer_arma at 11:00 PM, November 13, 2006)
04:01 <ghableska> it matches my avatar perfectly :)
04:01 <Canada> i know
04:01 <Canada> its perfect :]
04:01 <ghableska> :) > :] 
04:02 <Canada> the quotes should say what they're in responce to, otherwise it doesnt make sense
04:02 <@spidey> #quote get 30
04:02 <armabot> spidey: Quote #30: "Fonkay: Are you afraid of sex? -armabot" (added by spidey at 01:02 AM, November 02, 2006)
04:02 <@spidey> #quote get 38
04:02 <armabot> spidey: Quote #38: "<GodTodd> hayes jerks off turkeys?" (added by spidey at 01:44 AM, December 13, 2006)
04:02 <Canada> ....
04:03 <Canada> i have you go, you guys are relieved (i know what your going to say once i leave)
04:04 -!- Canada was kicked from #armagetron by spidey [#armagetron  nothing :D]
04:04 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, "That boy's got issues"
04:04 <@spidey> why doesn't site logs show a list of request
04:04 <@spidey> grrr
04:04 <ghableska> #seen yojimbo
04:04 <armabot> ghableska: yojimbo was last seen in #armagetron 4 weeks, 1 day, 8 hours, 51 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <yojimbo> havent checked it ...
04:06 <@Your_mom_arma> hmm
04:07 <Lucifer_arma> man, I don't care what Your_mom_arma (hi there!) says, Bon Jovi had some good songs
04:08 <@Your_mom_arma> how do you un op yourself? /mode nam -o ?
04:08 <ghableska> kick yourself :)
04:08 <@Your_mom_arma> haha
04:08 <@spidey> O.o
04:10 <Lucifer_arma> I right-click the user-list and pick modes->take op
04:10 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o Lucifer_arma] by ChanServ
04:10 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o spidey] by Lucifer_arma
04:10 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o Your_mom_arma] by Lucifer_arma
04:10 <Your_mom_arma> thanks
04:10 <Lucifer_arma> that better?
04:10 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o Lucifer_arma] by Lucifer_arma
04:13 <Your_mom_arma> who won the 9th ladle?
04:13 <ghableska> somethingsomething
04:13 <Lucifer_arma> best bass line ever: The Doors - Love Her Madly
04:15 <Your_mom_arma> so when is the "bowl"
04:15 <ghableska> there's going to be a tronic bowl?
04:15 <ghableska> wow
04:16 <ghableska> that's going to be an organizational nightmare
04:16 <ghableska> or has the organization gotten better...?
04:16  * Lucifer_arma wishes he could listen to the doors when he takes calculus tests
04:16 <Your_mom_arma>  weekly SPOON with any number of players  monthly LADLE with 100 players  seasonal BOWL with 1000 players  annual CUP with 1,000,000 players 
04:16  * Your_mom_arma notes the spoon had mor players then any of the ladles
04:16  * ghableska really doubts we're every going to get to a Bowl, let alone the Cup.
04:16 <ghableska> *ever
04:16 <Lucifer_arma> wanna do another spoon?
04:17 <Your_mom_arma> ugh
04:17 <Lucifer_arma> something like it, but with some improvements :)
04:17 <Your_mom_arma> if someone organized it well i might consider it
04:17 <Lucifer_arma> we'll do every week every team plays a single game against one other team, scheduled like the ladle
04:17 <ghableska> do the knights of ni still exist? 
04:17 <Lucifer_arma> ghableska: dissolved, but we may reform
04:18 <Lucifer_arma> :)
04:18 <ghableska> heh
04:18 <Your_mom_arma> the spoon was a mess
04:18 <Lucifer_arma> I'll organize it, heh.  :)
04:18 <Your_mom_arma> lets play at 4 am this match and 6pm the next match then 1pm the next time
04:18 <ghableska> it might even convince me to play arma regularly again
04:19 <Lucifer_arma> no, I'd do it with all the games required to play within a certain time period each week, given for each game
04:19 <Lucifer_arma> I'd give it, I'd just dictate it
04:19 <Lucifer_arma> I wanted to just take over the spoon that way, but 2020 didn't let me, heh
04:19 <Lucifer_arma> (after it got messy, that is)
04:19 <ghableska> heh
04:20  * ghableska misses the "good old days" of CVS test fortress
04:21 <Your_mom_arma> i miss armagoshdarn when arma players didnt need 50 rubber and any less is "unplayable"
04:21 <ghableska> I never played on armagoshdarn, was it really that good?
04:21 <Your_mom_arma> -dood how can you play with only 10 rubber? -With less caution then you play on servers with 2 rubber?
04:22 <Lucifer_arma> I miss servers that built good players
04:22 <Lucifer_arma> BoC was like that, nothing but good players came out of there
04:22 <ghableska> BoC?
04:22 <Lucifer_arma> Breakfast of Champions, eggcozy's server
04:22 <ghableska> ah
04:22  * ghableska recalls asking Lucifer_arma what a breakfast server was
04:22 <Lucifer_arma> I've been considering bringing the old Breakfast in Hell back up as Swamplords in Hell
04:22 <Lucifer_arma> no maps, nothing crazy, just my old server
04:22 <Your_mom_arma> the server wasn't anything special just had good basics
04:22 <ghableska> you should!
04:23 <Your_mom_arma> plus it almost always had a group of "regulars"
04:23 <Your_mom_arma> in it
04:24 <luke-jr_> I used to get up and play Breakfast in Hell every morning, like a year ago
04:24 <ghableska> #lastseen luke-jr
04:24 <armabot> ghableska: luke-jr has last been seen on |FA| Clan Server 1 days 8 hours 13 minutes ago.
04:25 <Lucifer_arma> I've been missing it.  It had something unique for mazing that the others didn't have
04:25 <ghableska> is shrunkland somewhat like it?
04:25 <Lucifer_arma> plus, I'll bet 99% of the players out there can't handle it anymore
04:25 <Lucifer_arma> ghableska: sorta, it was small, it was goshdarn-sized, but with speeds like cvs fort
04:26 <ghableska> oh
04:26 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, cvs fortress was a breakfast server, if you looked at the settings
04:26 <Your_mom_arma> you cant maze in swampland anymore you get kicked for camping
04:26 <Lucifer_arma> but long cycle walls
04:26 <ghableska> no wonder I liked it :p
04:33 <Your_mom_arma> #m guru3 Tank could you moderate these 2 threads in particular... looks like canada and hyphy are starting a flame war http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=148711#148711  http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=148871#148871
04:33 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: The operation succeeded.
04:34 -!- hang3r [n=hang3r@124-168-236-35.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #Armagetron
04:34 <ghableska> wow
04:35 <Your_mom_arma> guru3: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=148881#148881 
04:35 <Your_mom_arma> hey hang3r
04:36  * luke-jr_ replies to ...71
04:36 <ghableska> haha
04:36 <hang3r> hey mom, long time :)
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> forums running slow for anybody else?
04:36 <Your_mom_arma> steals free wifi, haha didnt notice that
04:36 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: Canada and Hyphy are using it
04:37 <ghableska> no, not for me
04:39 <ghableska> #night
04:39 <armabot> Good night ghableska!
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04:46 <duka> hy
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> heh, how do I use ingame admin again?
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04:47 <Lucifer_arma> you guys come into my server now
04:47 <Your_mom_arma> read the intro to the wikipedia arma entry and tell me whats wrong "Armagetron Advanced is a 3D online multiplayer game that is often thought to be modeled after the light cycle sequences from the film Tron, but is not. This idea for Armagetron developed years ago and is based losely off of the movie Tron. Armagetron Advanced is licensed under version 2 of the GNU GPL."
04:47 <[dlh]>  /login <pass>
04:48 <[dlh]>  /admin <command>
04:48 <Lucifer_arma> got it
04:49 <Your_mom_arma> first sentence states armagetron isnt based on the film tron, second sentence states that its based off the movie tron
04:49 <luke-jr_> it says loosely foo
04:51 <luke-jr_> my question is... is that true?
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05:07 <Lucifer_arma> hey joe, where were you when we (mostly I) were teasing canada?
05:08 <DrJoeTron> i already had been teasing him
05:08 <DrJoeTron> because he had never played tetris
05:08 <hang3r> roflcopter
05:08 <DrJoeTron> that right there deserved it
05:08 <hang3r> Hi joe
05:08 <DrJoeTron> hi :D
05:08 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r7171 /tools/libGlicko2/trunk/libGlicko2.php:
05:08 <armabot> armagetronad: "Note that if a player does not compete during the rating period, then only Step 6 applies."
05:08 <armabot> armagetronad: Put test into a function
05:08 <DrJoeTron> its been a while
05:09 <DrJoeTron> #lastseen help im a bug
05:09 <armabot> DrJoeTron: help im a bug has last been seen on  Wild West  =1 vs 1 Sumo Arena= 2 days 20 hours 48 minutes ago.
05:09 <hang3r> #lastseen hang
05:09 <armabot> hang3r: hang has last been seen on Swampland in 2.7.1 0 days 4 hours 7 minutes ago.
05:09 <DrJoeTron> Ooo
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> hey joe, I started up my old server
05:10 <hang3r> Lucifer_arma, breakfast in hell?
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, only now it's Swamplords in Hell
05:10 <hang3r> :/
05:11 <DrJoeTron> oh yeah?
05:11 <Lucifer_arma> which is what it would have been if I hadn't gone off on the Crack Pipe :)
05:11 <DrJoeTron> want an admin? :D
05:11 <Lucifer_arma> so I can reply to a bunch of threads saying "No, you were kicked becuase you're an ass"?
05:11 <DrJoeTron> nah
05:11 <DrJoeTron> so i can reply with mspaint drawings
05:12 <DrJoeTron> all of them
05:12 <DrJoeTron> they talk about being kicked for no reason
05:12 <DrJoeTron> i draw a dog shopping for dog food
05:12 <DrJoeTron> they talk about being banned
05:12 <DrJoeTron> i draw a cat shopping for dog food
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> heh
05:13 <luke-jr_> lol
05:13 <DrJoeTron> how bout it? :d
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> if I didn't know this was being archived and put on the web, I'd just tell you all the password
05:13 <DrJoeTron> sweet thanks
05:13 <luke-jr_> /msg
05:13 <DrJoeTron> i saw
05:13 <DrJoeTron> im not logged in to reply back
05:14  * luke-jr_ wonders if log archives have /ctcps
05:14 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma any guidelines?
05:14 <DrJoeTron> just kick jerk wads?
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, don't give it to anybody who might give it to a smeghead :)
05:14 <DrJoeTron> you got it
05:14 <luke-jr_> what's the passw
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> not really, just kick when it's fun for more than just you...
05:15 <DrJoeTron> i'll probably just give it to mom 
05:15 <Lucifer_arma> a kick should make the server more fun after the kick, so if it won't do that, don't do it
05:15 <DrJoeTron> of course
05:15 <Your_mom_arma> me and nemo filled the server
05:15 <DrJoeTron> haha
05:16 <Lucifer_arma> with walls, or with people?
05:16 <Your_mom_arma> both
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> I wonder how it'll play if I make it a much larger arena, but put sumo zones on it that make it the size it is now
05:17 <DrJoeTron> hyphy an instant ban ?
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> of course
05:17 <DrJoeTron> sweet
05:17 <[dlh]> haha
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> try to get him to be so annoying I need a firewall ban
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> because then I have good reason to ban someone from my master server too :)
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> ady and psyko can be treated as instant kicks if you like
05:18 <spidey> speaking of which
05:18 <spidey> anyone know what hyphy's ip is?
05:19 <luke-jr_> yep
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> and anybody who says "gay" in a derogatory fashion (I almost always kick for that)
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05:19 <spidey> luke-jr_, put it in #FA
05:19 <luke-jr_> why
05:19 <DrJoeTron> so change nothing :)
05:19 <spidey> because i think someone that's been joining teamspeak and saying rude things might be him :P
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> right :)
05:19 <DrJoeTron> TS! :D
05:20 <spidey> ts.antrics.net
05:20 <spidey> er
05:20 <spidey> ts.antric.net
05:20 <spidey> :O
05:20 <Lucifer_arma> also, if silly shows back up, he can be an instant kick too
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05:20  * spidey don't think he's ran a server silly hasn't been banned from
05:20 <spidey> :/
05:20 <Lucifer_arma> always kick Durka as soon as he joins
05:20 <xfroggy> hyphy online :)
05:20 <luke-jr_>
05:20 <luke-jr_> why don't I just put it here?
05:20 <spidey> doesn't matter
05:21 <spidey> heh
05:21 <spidey> it's not him then
05:21 <Durka> lol
05:21 <spidey> it's a 75 ip
05:21 <spidey> >.<
05:21 <Durka> x who was the fake Durka
05:21 <Durka> #lastseen durka
05:21 <xfroggy> my bot
05:21 <armabot> Durka: Durka has last been seen on  Wild West  =Fortress= 4 minutes ago.
05:21 <Durka> ur bot?
05:21 -!- spidey is now known as Dorka
05:21 <Durka> LOL!
05:21 <xfroggy> i was playing with 2 players :)
05:21 <Durka> lol
05:21 <Durka> i was gonna ban u
05:21 <xfroggy> -.- n00b
05:21 <xfroggy> look at the pings 
05:21 <DrJoeTron> seriously?
05:21 <Durka> wasnt looking
05:21 <Dorka> :O:O:O
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> no, not seriously, but Durka totally missed it so it wasn't funny
05:22 <DrJoeTron> :( ok
05:22 <Durka> lol
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> well, let's just say he usually gives a reason to be kicked as soon as he joins
05:22 <Dorka> lol
05:22 <DrJoeTron> :)
05:23 <xfroggy> that server became unstable lmao
05:23 <xfroggy> pings were jumping from 60 to 200+
05:23 <Dorka> lucis server?
05:23 <luke-jr_> luci
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> mine?
05:23 <luke-jr_> yes
05:23 <Dorka> i like the lag on it
05:23 <xfroggy> no no ww
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> it's always been like that
05:23 <luke-jr_> your ping sucks
05:23 <luke-jr_> you need to get a server from me
05:23 <luke-jr_> :D
05:23 <Dorka> lucis lag always gives me points
05:23 <Dorka> :D
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: soon as I steal a credit card
05:23  * Dorka doesn't lag as bad as most peopleo n his server
05:23 <Dorka> :P
05:24 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: now who said you had to pay? :p
05:24 <xfroggy> wrt server is all good, as longer its not overcrowded, at least for me XD
05:24 <Dorka> luke-jr, can i have a free server!?
05:24 <Dorka> i'll give you a dollar :O
05:25 <luke-jr_> Dorka: you did till a few hours ago
05:25 <Durka> Lucifer_arma: stop downloading pr0n
05:25 <luke-jr_> >.>
05:25 <Durka> ur server sux
05:25 <GodTodd> then it's not free :P
05:25 <Dorka> luke-jr, huh?
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: backup's running
05:26 <Durka> LOL!
05:26 <xfroggy> who's Dorka Oo
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> spidey
05:26 <Dorka> some dork
05:26 <luke-jr_> o
05:26  * GodTodd needs to find a good backup program for windows :/
05:26 <Dorka> why'd you have to ruin the fun :(
05:26  * luke-jr_ thought it was Durka
05:26 <luke-jr_> lol
05:26 -!- Durka is now known as spidey
05:26  * xfroggy just noticed the two
05:26 <spidey> ...
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05:26 <Dorka> FTW!
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05:27 <Dorka> :O
05:27  * Dorka registers dorka :>
05:27 <luke-jr_> ouch
05:27 <Your_mom_arma> haha
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05:27 <Dorka> :O
05:27 <Durka> LOL!
05:28 <luke-jr_> [dlh]: pwnt
05:28 <Dorka> ..
05:28 <[dlh]> pfft
05:28 <luke-jr_> lol
05:28 <[dlh]> lag
05:28 <luke-jr_> I didn't even have to try :)
05:28 <[dlh]> I stopped receiving updates
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> [dlh]: on the server?
05:29 <Dorka> :D
05:29 <luke-jr_> yeah
05:29 <luke-jr_> it just stops updating us :(
05:29  * Lucifer_arma wonders if it'll be worthwhile to stop the server while the backup runs
05:29 -!- Dorka is now known as Dorka2
05:29 -!- Dorka2 is now known as Dorka
05:29 <Dorka> weird
05:29 -!- Lucifer_arma is now known as Storka
05:29 <Dorka> can't have periods
05:29 <Dorka> :(
05:29 -!- Storka is now known as Morka
05:29 -!- Dorka is now known as Dorka-2point0
05:29 <Dorka-2point0> :D
05:30 <Morka> ack
05:30 <[dlh]> um, why, are you not female?
05:30 -!- Morka is now known as Lucifer_arma
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> amazingly enough, Morka is registered
05:30 <Dorka-2point0> haha
05:30 <DrJoeTron> the fuck are you doing arma!
05:30 <Your_mom_arma> haha
05:30 -!- Dorka-2point0 is now known as spidey
05:30 <spidey> :(
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> haha
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> spidey, go look at freeciv
05:30 <spidey> ?
05:31 <luke-jr_> ...
05:31 <spidey> haha
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> #freeciv, I mean
05:31 <spidey> we spammed it
05:31 <spidey> :O
05:31 <luke-jr_> ROFL
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> heh, spammed #qt too, oops
05:31 <spidey> and #freeciv-dev
05:31 <spidey> O.
05:31 <spidey> O.o
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> at least this time I didn't also spam #mediawiki and #flyspray
05:31 <spidey> lol
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> there's a #freeciv-dev?
05:32 <luke-jr_> yes
05:32 <spidey> yup
05:32 <luke-jr_> didn't notice #freeciv is only players?
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> I did, but I figured most projects only use one irc channel anyway
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> and there's occasional dev talk there
05:32 <luke-jr_> many use a 2nd -dev
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> #join #armagetron-dev
05:37  * spidey goes play tremulous
05:38 <luke-jr_> spidey: come to luci's server
05:41 <xfroggy> #roulette
05:41 <armabot> xfroggy: *click*
05:41 <xfroggy> *click*
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05:51 <epsy> #morning
05:51 <armabot> Good Morning epsy Random Fortune: Fast, cheap, good: pick two.
05:53 <epsy> hi
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06:09 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r7172 /tools/libGlicko2/trunk/libGlicko2.php: only execute self-test if being called directly
06:14 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r7173 /tools/libGlicko2/trunk/libGlicko2.php: simple copyright for now (& infos)
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06:30 <luke-jr_> nice, my konversation wishlist just went into Svn!
06:30 <luke-jr_> sorting the channel user list by activity :D
06:30 <epsy> hehe
06:35 <Your_mom_arma> so whos least active?
06:36 <epsy> #time
06:36 <armabot> epsy: 06:47 AM, March 05, 2007
06:40 <epsy> time to me to leave
06:40 <epsy> cya
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06:53 <spidey> luke-jr_, y
06:53 <Your_mom_arma> ?
06:54 <spidey> <luke-jr_> spidey: come to luci's server
06:54 <luke-jr_> cuz everyone else was there
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07:37 <MrBougo> jello
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11:55 <madmax|pt> hmm, productive night
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12:54 <z-man-work> Yay, defcon beta for linux is out!
12:55 <spidey> #ping
12:55 <armabot> pong
13:01  * spidey pokes z-man-work
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14:37 <spidey> #night
14:37 <armabot> Good night spidey!
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15:08 <digitx> hoi
15:14 <yojimbo> hey
15:17 <digitx> hey joji
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15:22 <digitx> re
15:22 <digitx> #seen epsy
15:22 <armabot> digitx: epsy was last seen in #armagetron 8 hours, 42 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <epsy> cya
15:23 <digitx> #seen wrtlprnft
15:23 <armabot> digitx: wrtlprnft was last seen in #armagetron 14 hours, 39 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <wrtlprnft> #night
15:23 <digitx> #seen MrBougo
15:23 <armabot> digitx: MrBougo was last seen in #armagetron 7 hours, 45 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <MrBougo> jello
15:23 <digitx> :D
15:23 <digitx> #seen digitx
15:23 <armabot> digitx: digitx was last seen in #armagetron 5 seconds ago: <digitx> :D
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15:32 <Stempo> lalalala
15:32 <Stempo> it's so early in the morning ^_^
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16:52 <digitx> -
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17:06 <MrBougo> yello
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17:14 <epsy> hi
17:17 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: wtf?
17:17 <luke-jr> ???
17:17 <wrtlprnft> your resource mirror works based on redirects?
17:18 <wrtlprnft> so you have to connect to your server first, THEN connect to the mirror?
17:18 <wrtlprnft> no wonder it's so slow
17:18 <wrtlprnft> --17:17:01--  http://resource.armagetronad.net/resource/wrtlprnft/fortress/zig_zag-1.aamap.xml
17:18 <wrtlprnft> --17:17:16--  http://master.resource.aa.dashjr.org/resource/wrtlprnft/fortress/zig_zag-1.aamap.xml
17:18 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: no
17:18 <wrtlprnft> note the time difference
17:18 <wrtlprnft> and it's still hanging
17:18 <luke-jr> redirects are failover
17:18 <wrtlprnft> totally useless for hosting a server.
17:18 <luke-jr> when the mirror lacks a copy
17:19 <wrtlprnft> my server would have responded within 15 seconds
17:19 <wrtlprnft> armagetronad@marvin $ ls /var/www/armagetron/resource/resource/wrtlprnft/fortress/zig_zag-1.aamap.
17:19 <wrtlprnft> xml
17:19 <wrtlprnft> /var/www/armagetron/resource/resource/wrtlprnft/fortress/zig_zag-1.aamap.xml
17:19 <luke-jr> so sync your mirror
17:19 <wrtlprnft> it has the map.
17:20 <luke-jr> then figure out why it's redirecting
17:20 <wrtlprnft> you wrote the .htaccess
17:20 <luke-jr> and it works for me :)
17:20 <wrtlprnft> and feel free to check the apache settings yourself
17:20 <wrtlprnft> Connecting to master.resource.aa.dashjr.org||:80... failed: Connection timed out.
17:20 <wrtlprnft> Connecting to master.resource.aa.dashjr.org||:80... connected.
17:20 <wrtlprnft> wow.
17:20 <luke-jr> all the .htaccess does is change the 404 page
17:22 <luke-jr> I don't get redirected...
17:22 <wrtlprnft> as i said, check the apache settings
17:22 <wrtlprnft> i didn't design this system
17:22 <luke-jr> you're the one with a problem with it
17:22 <luke-jr> did you consider that maybe the mirror it tried wasn't yours?
17:22 <luke-jr> maybe it was one that doesn't have it?
17:22 <wrtlprnft> everyone who wants to h
17:23 <wrtlprnft> host a server has a problem
17:23 <wrtlprnft> it's useless
17:23 <wrtlprnft> beta.aa.net is slow as well, btw
17:23 <luke-jr> so mirror that too
17:23 <luke-jr> http://two.resource.aa.dashjr.org/resource/wrtlprnft/fortress/ <-- two does not have zig_zag yet
17:24 <wrtlprnft> it's been there for a couple of days.
17:24 <wrtlprnft> and that server is fast.
17:25  * luke-jr notes two is on the exact same connection as master
17:26 <luke-jr> in fact, two is my desktop system with 3 GB of swap use
17:27 <digitx> ;)
17:28 <wrtlprnft> then maybe that's the cause
17:28 <wrtlprnft> if it has to swap apache into its physical memory
17:31 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/wrtlprnft/fortress/zig_zag-2.aamap.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
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18:03 <Vanhayes> #seen durka
18:03 <armabot> Vanhayes: durka was last seen in #armagetron 12 hours, 35 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <Durka> LOL!
18:04 <Vanhayes> #m Durka sorry for not showing up for the ladle, we are redoing the walls in this room so we had to move a bunch of shit for a while.
18:04 <armabot> Vanhayes: The operation succeeded.
18:05 <GodTodd> #g 303-273.15
18:05 <armabot> GodTodd: 303 - 273.15 = 29.85
18:05 <Vanhayes> #m I thought we were going to start redoing it monday but we started early
18:05 <armabot> Vanhayes: The operation succeeded.
18:05 <Vanhayes> er
18:05 <Vanhayes> #m Durka I thought we were going to start redoing it monday but we started early
18:05 <armabot> Vanhayes: The operation succeeded.
18:11 <GodTodd> #dict extrapolate
18:11 <armabot> GodTodd: wn: extrapolate v 1: draw from specific cases for more general cases [syn: {generalize}, {generalise}, {infer}] 2: estimate the value of [syn: {interpolate}] 3: gain knowledge of (an area not known or experienced) by extrapolating
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18:21 <GodTodd> #g 250 K in C
18:21 <armabot> GodTodd: 250 kelvin = -23.15 degrees Celsius
18:22 <GodTodd> #g -23.15 C in F
18:22 <armabot> GodTodd: (-23.15) degrees Celsius = -9.67 degrees Fahrenheit
18:24 <GodTodd> #313 K in F
18:24 <GodTodd> #g 313 K in F
18:24 <armabot> GodTodd: 313 kelvin = 103.73 degrees Fahrenheit
18:32 <MrBougo> byebye
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18:54 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: two is the one you said is fast...
18:54 <luke-jr> hachi/master has LOTS of free RAM
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19:01 <wrtlprnft> well, it's slow
19:01 <wrtlprnft> and i mean REALLY slow
19:01 <wrtlprnft> so something's wrong
19:01 <wrtlprnft> maybe your DNs
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19:40 <MrBougo> helloesç
19:49 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: it has 2 IPs, one of which goes down on occasion
20:12 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@unaffiliated/madmaxpt/x-23911] has quit ["Gone."]
20:13 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: feel free to implement prefetching if you want ;)
20:14 <MrBougo> bre
20:14 <MrBougo> bye*
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21:10 <Lackadaisical> hi
21:10 <madmax|pt> hello
21:11 <Vanhayes> hey Lackadaisical 
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21:13 <Vanhayes> Lackadaisical: how long does the sumo ladder go on for? or is it indefinite?
21:14 <Lackadaisical> I actually haven't really thought of that
21:14 <Lackadaisical> I guess it would grow kinda stale after a while
21:15 <Lucifer_arma> I could go in and liven it up :)
21:15 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/QUARG/rubber/radio-4.aamap.xml: Resource by QUARG
21:18 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/QUARG/rubber/tgs-4.aamap.xml: Resource by QUARG
21:18 <Lackadaisical> well it doesn't really need livin up, yet
21:19 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/QUARG/rubber/dharma-5.aamap.xml: Resource by QUARG
21:20 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/QUARG/rubber/maze-4.aamap.xml: Resource by QUARG
21:24 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/QUARG/rubber/id-1.aamap.xml: Resource by QUARG
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22:05 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/QUARG/rubber/radio-4.aamap.xml
22:05 <wrtlprnft> interesting idea, this one
22:16 <luke-jr> looks like one I made
22:16 <luke-jr> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/Luke-Jr/WildFortress/SandDollar-0.2.0-Death.aamap.xml
22:17 <luke-jr> maybe not that close
22:20 -!- Canada [n=David@pool-72-75-33-178.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #armagetron
22:22 <Canada> .
22:22 <Canada> Good afternoon, everyone
22:22 <epsy> hi Canada 
22:22 <Canada> Hello
22:22 <luke-jr> hey Canada 
22:22 <luke-jr> you're an idiot
22:22 <luke-jr> :D
22:22 <Canada> :]
22:22 <Canada> lol
22:22 <epsy> #damn luke-jr 
22:22 <armabot> Canada damns luke-jr.
22:22 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma made me do it
22:22 <luke-jr> :o
22:22 <epsy> heh
22:22 <Canada> lol
22:23 <luke-jr> #damn Lucifer_arma 
22:23 <luke-jr> :p
22:23 <armabot> armabot damns Lucifer_arma.
22:24 -!- luke-jr is now known as luke-jr_work
22:24  * luke-jr_work stabs Konversation for reverting to non-work on work lappy
22:24 -!- Canada is now known as Canada_Home
22:24 <Canada_Home> :P
22:25 <Canada_Home> ganna make armagetron full screen
22:25 <luke-jr_work> omgz
22:25 <luke-jr_work> that'll be slow
22:25 <Canada_Home> why :[]
22:27 <Canada_Home> why does everyone put work, or w/e after their name? why do people care where they are
22:27 -!- Lackadaisical [n=lack@ip202-29-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #armagetron
22:27 <luke-jr_work> cuz luke-jr_ is just lame
22:27 <Canada_Home> hey lacks
22:27 <Lackadaisical> hi
22:28 -!- Canada_Home is now known as Canada_the_nub_k
22:28 <epsy> luke-jr_, omg your map is...
22:28 <Canada_the_nub_k> wanted it to be canada the nub killer
22:28 <Canada_the_nub_k> :P
22:28 <epsy> is damnly damn
22:28 -!- Canada_the_nub_k is now known as Canada
22:28 <epsy> #admin luke-jr_ 's map
22:28 <epsy> #damn luke-jr_ 's map
22:28 <armabot> [dlh] damns luke-jr_ 's map.
22:28 <epsy> -.-
22:28 <Canada> how do i make 'Canada' have a pass word
22:29 <Canada> so people cant pose me
22:29 <epsy> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
22:29 <luke-jr_work> epsy: ...
22:29 <epsy> well i already see evryone crashing in the middle
22:29 <epsy> heh
22:30 <Canada> luke-jr_work: .,.
22:30 <luke-jr_work> the middle has a death zone
22:30 <luke-jr_work> :p
22:30 <Canada> what server you on ep
22:30 <Canada> #lastseen epsy
22:30 <armabot> Canada: kk~epsy has last been seen on Fortress Café 0 days 1 hours 24 minutes ago.
22:30 <epsy> now N
22:30 <epsy> ?
22:30 <epsy> #onlineservers
22:31 <armabot> epsy: Norm's Place (11 players) || {Delicious Desserts} Custom Map (11 players) || °¯ps Arena ~~~ Team Sumo ~~~ (11 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (9 players) || Wild West =Capture The Flag= (9 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬ (9 players) || ~"XzL.Clan The Server (8 players) || The Tavern (7 players) || ~/EF~ ClanServer (7 players) || Strawberry Fields (6 players) || LoBo's (1 more message)
22:31 <Canada> #lastseen Canada
22:31 <armabot> Canada: Canada seems to be on °¯ps Arena  ~~~ Team Sumo ~~~ right now.
22:31 <Canada> :]
22:31 <madmax|pt> #serverdetails team sumo
22:31 <armabot> madmax|pt: °¯ps Arena  ~~~ Team Sumo ~~~: Players (11/12): Canada, CTDimbiman, CT~Voodoo, Gnezdo, help im a bug, Incubus, Joof da ouf !, w°°os, Xell ~*SP*~, [flame]bite, °°Gay-Lin
22:31 <epsy> will check if i get a better fps :D
22:31 <epsy> gah
22:31 <epsy> full
22:32  * epsy forces access
22:32 <Canada> i got timed out, so i got kicked :P
22:32 <Canada> too busy chatting with you guys
22:32 <epsy> hehe
22:33 <epsy> Canada, 1 place left
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22:33 <Canada> says full
22:33 <madmax|pt> Incubus? o_O
22:33 <epsy> try again
22:33 <madmax|pt> Incubus is in my town today
22:33 <Lackadaisical> the band?
22:34 <madmax|pt> yes
22:34 <Canada> #servedetails team sumo
22:35  * Canada waits for open spot :O
22:35 <epsy> if you want i start my crazy servers just ask ;)
22:36 <Canada> hmm?
22:36 <Canada> yay im in
22:36 <Canada> woah irc chat makes fps 4
22:38 <Canada> ganna close irc chat, my fps sucks from it
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22:45 <luke-jr_work> ...
22:45 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-216-182-238.client.mchsi.com] has joined #Armagetron
22:47 <ghableska> #weather 50266
22:47 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 30.0°F (3:46 PM CST on March 05, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 10.4°F. Windchill: 24.8°F. Pressure: 29.45 in 997.2 hPa (Rising). 
22:48 <madmax|pt> does anyone know a way to output every line with a given string to a specific window in irssi?
22:49 <luke-jr_work> grep?
22:51 <madmax|pt> how?
22:52 <madmax|pt> and I think grep is available only through a plugin o_O
22:54 <luke-jr_work> :p
22:55 <madmax|pt> isn't wrtlprnft (...hi there?) the irssi expert?
22:56 <luke-jr_work> probably
22:57 <wrtlprnft> madmax|pt: uh, dunno
22:57 <wrtlprnft> there's /hilight
22:58 <wrtlprnft> but that's probably not exactly what you want
22:58 <wrtlprnft> though all your hilights are logged to the server window if you're /away
22:58 <madmax|pt> yeah
22:59 <madmax|pt> I think /lastlog kind of does it
23:00 <madmax|pt> thanks anyway
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23:10 <madmax|pt> irssi works with growl :o
23:19 <mkzelda> svn: PROPFIND of '/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad': Could not resolve hostname `armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net': Host not found (https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net)
23:20 <luke-jr_work> fix your DNS server?
23:44 <mkzelda> i have no influence over time warner, sorry
23:44 <mkzelda> wish i did
23:44 <mkzelda> mind reversing it for me?
23:44 <mkzelda> nm, but the bigger point is that others might have the same prob
23:45 <mkzelda> was more of a fwiw
23:45 <mkzelda> altho i guess u could just tell everyone to fix thier dns
23:45 <mkzelda> #weather 27545
23:46 <armabot> mkzelda: The current temperature in North East Raleigh, Raleigh, North Carolina is 61.2°F (5:44 PM EST on March 05, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 19%. Dew Point: 19.4°F. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa. 
23:46  * luke-jr_work notes you can run your own stinkin DNS server
23:46 <mkzelda> i do
23:46 <luke-jr_work> or just use
23:46 <mkzelda> and when it doesnt have an entry it grabs from the time warner dns
23:46 <mkzelda> and some mindspring one
23:46 <luke-jr_work> lame
23:46 <mkzelda> and neither have it
23:46 <luke-jr_work> go to the root servers
23:46 <luke-jr_work> :D
23:46 <mkzelda> lame netiquitte
23:47 <luke-jr_work> hehe
23:50 <mkzelda> added to the top of the rotation and it either doesnt have it or doesnt allow me to contact it
23:51 <luke-jr_work> so your computer is broken
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23:51 <mkzelda> ya that must be it
23:52 <mkzelda> you've been a tremendous help
23:52 <luke-jr_work> works from anywhere
23:52 <[dlh]> #luke
23:52 <armabot> STFU baka noob?? RTFM?? ur lame or smth.
23:52 <luke-jr_work> dig armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net @
23:52 <luke-jr_work> bad routing maybe
23:52 <mkzelda> I manually added to my dns
23:54 <luke-jr_work> that's a bad DNS server
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23:59 <mkzelda> then why'd u recommend it?
23:59 <luke-jr_work> I didn't
23:59 <luke-jr_work> I said
23:59 <mkzelda> ya
23:59 <mkzelda> so why's it bad?
23:59 <luke-jr_work> !=
23:59 -!- DrJoeTron [n=DrJoeTro@adsl-75-57-94-245.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #Armagetron
23:59 <luke-jr_work> ...
23:59 <mkzelda> # dig armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net @
23:59 <mkzelda> ; <<>> DiG 9.4.0 <<>> armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net @
23:59 <mkzelda> ; (1 server found)
23:59 <mkzelda> ;; global options:  printcmd
23:59 <mkzelda> ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached

Log from 2007-03-06:
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00:00 <luke-jr_work> tracepath 4.2.22
00:00 <luke-jr_work> tracepath
00:00 <mkzelda> 11:  vnsc-bak.sys.gtei.net (                      asymm 15  25.383ms reached
00:01 <mkzelda> so it doesnt answer to everyone
00:01 <luke-jr_work> hmmm
00:01 <luke-jr_work> how about :D
00:01 <mkzelda> same
00:02 <luke-jr_work> ?
00:02 <mkzelda>
00:02 <mkzelda> which is what i got b4
00:02 <luke-jr_work> ....
00:02 <mkzelda> and u told me thats not it
00:02 <luke-jr_work> no
00:02 <luke-jr_work> <--
00:03 <mkzelda> i used that
00:03 <luke-jr_work> ...
00:03 <mkzelda> and it returned
00:03 <mkzelda>
00:03 <luke-jr_work> oh
00:03 <luke-jr_work> yeah, that looks rihgt
00:03 <mkzelda> [2007-03-05 17:59:49] <luke-jr_work> !=
00:03 <luke-jr_work> I thought u meant you tried that for your DNS server
00:03 <luke-jr_work> :p
00:03 <mkzelda> ahhh(*#@$
00:04 <mkzelda> no i said i entered that into my dns manually
00:05 <luke-jr_work> ...
00:05 <luke-jr_work> you mean hosts?
00:07 <mkzelda> lol, now i gotta play teh sourceforge busy reconnect game
00:07 <mkzelda> ah second try good deal
00:11 <mkzelda> that is registered to a company right around the corner from me
00:32 <luke-jr_work> lol
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00:47 <Van-hayes> #ping
00:47 <armabot> pong
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00:49 <ghableska> #weather 50266
00:49 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 25.2°F (5:46 PM CST on March 05, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 8.6°F. Windchill: 17.6°F. Pressure: 29.48 in 998.2 hPa. 
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00:50 <ghableska> o_O
00:51 <Vanhayes> I was screwing around with my router
00:52 <ghableska> heh
00:52 <ghableska> it didn't seem to help :p
00:52 <luke-jr_work> Vanhayes: you were screwing your router?
00:53 <ghableska> #luke
00:53 <armabot> STFU baka noob?? RTFM?? ur lame or smth.
00:53 <Vanhayes> yes luke, thats exactally what I was doing
00:53 <luke-jr_work> sick
00:54  * ghableska installs kubuntu
00:55 <ghableska> oh wait, I need a blank cd :/
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00:56 <luke-jr_work> ghableska: why
00:56 <ghableska> because I feel like running something that's not windows
00:56 <luke-jr_work> oh
00:56 <luke-jr_work> I mean why do you need a blank CD
00:56 <ghableska> to boot from cd?
00:57 <luke-jr_work> why do you need to boot from CD?
00:57 <ghableska> uhh
00:57 <luke-jr_work> :p
00:57 <ghableska> how else are you supposed to install it? o_O
00:57 <luke-jr_work> well....
00:58 <luke-jr_work> you *could* just resize Windows, download the ISO, and install it with qemu
00:58 <ghableska> resize?
00:59 <luke-jr_work> yeah
00:59 <luke-jr_work> I imagine there must be Win apps for resizing...
00:59  * ghableska shrugs
00:59 <luke-jr_work> could always pirate Partition Magic
00:59 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p508700B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #armagetron
00:59 <luke-jr_work> we should kick z-man off the team
00:59 <luke-jr_work> err
01:00 <ghableska> why?
01:00 <luke-jr_work> Hi z-man :)
01:00 <luke-jr_work> ghableska: nothin, just messing with him :)
01:00 <|Sticky|> i ran into this problem a few weeks ago...XP has no good way to resize a disk
01:00  * ghableska thinks luke-jr_work should be killed instead
01:00 <ghableska> er, kicked
01:00 <luke-jr_work> |Sticky|: partition magic doesn't work?
01:00 <luke-jr_work> #kill ghableska 
01:00 <armabot> ghableska will die on Fri May 18 18:05:01 1984 due to being stabbed in the eye by ghableska.
01:00 <luke-jr_work> suicidal!
01:01 <ghableska> no, I'm dying in 2010
01:01 <ghableska> #kill luke-jr_work
01:01 <armabot> luke-jr_work will die on Mon Oct 11 01:25:44 2004 due to being stabbed in the eye by Vanhayes.
01:01 <luke-jr_work> you die twice
01:01 <|Sticky|> problem is xp will not unmount a disk so any method will involve booting into a cutom os like partition magic
01:01 <luke-jr_work> |Sticky|: Partition Magic doesn't have a custom OS
01:01 <|Sticky|> yeah it reboots you
01:02 <luke-jr_work> IIRC, it does it during a reboot
01:02 <luke-jr_work> without a CD tho
01:02 <|Sticky|> ture
01:02 <|Sticky|> true
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01:06 <|Sticky|> you could do a usb boot to install ubuntu but the time and trouble to sort out the usb stick isnt worth the 30 cents you save on a cdr
01:07 <DrJoeTron> oh daemon tools
01:07 <DrJoeTron> i love and hate you so much
01:08 <ghableska> heh
01:08 <ghableska> why do you hate it?
01:08 <DrJoeTron> it runs when i don't want it to
01:08 <ghableska> o_O
01:08 <DrJoeTron> and i hate programs that won't let me kill it
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01:09 <DrJoeTron> i told you howmany resources i have running :o
01:09 <ghableska> how many?
01:09 <|Sticky|> i have that problem with real player...the player that wishes to dominate your computer
01:09 <DrJoeTron> lemme check
01:09 <ghableska> eww
01:09 <DrJoeTron> yeah
01:09 <ghableska> realplayer = >_<
01:09  * luke-jr_work notes RealPlayer is much more tolerable on *nix
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01:09 <DrJoeTron> and B--B-B-B-B-UFFE--E-E---RR-RR
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01:10 <luke-jr_work> wtf is Poppet 
01:10 <ghableska> like a puppet?
01:10 <Poppet> its old english for Puppet
01:10 <ghableska> DrJoeTron: BioShock trailer! :o
01:10 <DrJoeTron> i cant look at trailers
01:10 <DrJoeTron> i want to save money :/
01:10 <luke-jr_work> ...
01:10 <|Sticky|> real player in windows just pops up that fantaric window that basicaly says would you like to redefine the default program for ALL file types to RP
01:10 <Poppet> trailers are free...
01:11 <DrJoeTron> well fucking duh
01:11 <luke-jr_work> |Sticky|: it does a lot more than that
01:11 <DrJoeTron> but i end up buying the game on impulse
01:11 <Poppet> ah
01:11 <luke-jr_work> DrJoeTron: you need to pirate more
01:11 <DrJoeTron> damn you sonic and the secret rings
01:11 <Poppet> then control yourself :)
01:11 <DrJoeTron> luke-jr_work i do plenty
01:11 <luke-jr_work> more!
01:11 <DrJoeTron> do you steal luke?
01:12 <luke-jr_work> no
01:12 <Poppet> liar
01:12 <DrJoeTron> totally do
01:12 <|Sticky|> http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/Utter_Garbage.aspx
01:12 <luke-jr_work> am not
01:12 <luke-jr_work> do not
01:12 <luke-jr_work> 1) copyright infringement isn't stealing
01:12 <luke-jr_work> 2) I don't do it, I just tell you to
01:12 <|Sticky|> tell bill gates that
01:12 <DrJoeTron> thats like saying "go kill this guy"
01:13 <DrJoeTron> "oh i don't kill people, its bad"
01:13 <luke-jr_work> nope
01:13 <DrJoeTron> what would god think of you doing this luke-jr_work?
01:13 <|Sticky|> heh if he told you to jump off a clif would he have commited suicide?
01:13 <luke-jr_work> 1) copyright infringement isn't killing
01:13 <luke-jr_work> 2) I never said it was bad :)
01:13 <DrJoeTron> you said to pirate
01:14 <DrJoeTron> and then ] luke-jr_work: 2) I don't do it, I just tell you to
01:14 <Poppet> God thinks good of Luke-Jr because if he wasnt he'd make luke-jr have spontanious combustion
01:14 <luke-jr_work> DrJoeTron: never said it was wrong to do :p
01:14 <luke-jr_work> just said I don't do it
01:14 <DrJoeTron> luke-jr_work is a symbol that god hates humans
01:14 <luke-jr_work> and I don't do it because I don't want the crap
01:14 <DrJoeTron> i never said killing was bad
01:15 <|Sticky|> there is little need for someone who runs linux to pirate
01:15 <luke-jr_work> [18:13:27] <DrJoeTron> "oh i don't kill people, its bad"
01:15 <|Sticky|> everything (almost) is free anyway
01:15 <luke-jr_work> yay,, |Sticky| has more brains than DrJoeTron  :p
01:15 <Poppet> DrJoeTron: if thats true, then why are there evil dictators that do not show that god hates humans, but theres little old poor Luke-jr
01:15  * luke-jr_work <-- very poor
01:16  * luke-jr_work <-- takes donations
01:16 <luke-jr_work> :p
01:16 <DrJoeTron> because they're heathens
01:16 <DrJoeTron> duh
01:16 <luke-jr_work> they're heretikes!
01:16 <luke-jr_work> :p
01:16 <ghableska> remember everyone, http://cristgaming.com/pirate.swf
01:16 <Poppet> "The best things in life are free, because you dont need to risk being arrested for illegally downloading them"
01:17  * |Sticky| sends luke-jr_work a donation using hyphs card
01:17 <DrJoeTron> ghableska fuck 4chan
01:17 <ghableska> ?
01:17 <DrJoeTron> thats not true
01:17 <DrJoeTron> aids is free
01:17 <Poppet> lmao
01:18 <Poppet> not if you use a prostitute
01:18 <DrJoeTron> does this mean i have to pirate aids?
01:18 <ghableska> heh
01:18 <Poppet> yes
01:18 <DrJoeTron> i hope i can find enough seeds
01:18 <DrJoeTron> sweet i found the dvd rip of it
01:18 <Poppet> #dict Hyphy
01:18 <armabot> Poppet: No definition for "Hyphy" could be found.
01:18 <Poppet> armabot: annoying idiot? :O
01:19 <ghableska> of what?
01:19 <Poppet> Aids?
01:20 <Poppet> DrJoeTron: are you ok? speak to me!!!! slow, deep breaths
01:21 -!- Poppet [n=Tronner@pool-72-75-33-178.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving"]
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01:21 <ghableska> heh
01:21  * Poppet thought either 1) irc chat lost connection 2) Joe died
01:22 <Poppet> |\/\/| This is my crown
01:22 -!- Vanhayes [i=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu83w-156034240229.nb.aliant.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
01:23 <Poppet> you people are awfully quite
01:23 <Poppet> quiet*
01:25 -!- Poppet [n=Tronner@pool-72-75-33-178.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit]
01:25 <|Sticky|> ROOOAAAARRRR
01:25  * ghableska cringes in fear
01:28 <ghableska> hmm
01:28 <ghableska> kubuntu or knoppix?
01:29 <madmax|pt> Are not!
01:29 <spidey> too
01:30 -!- HYPHYRAWRR [n=1805ee63@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
01:30 <HYPHYRAWRR> can i argue?
01:30 <HYPHYRAWRR> lets clean some shit up
01:30 <HYPHYRAWRR> shall we
01:31 <HYPHYRAWRR> why did you close a topic about canada
01:31 <HYPHYRAWRR> and not me?
01:31 <HYPHYRAWRR> when he posted perseonal info about me
01:31 <HYPHYRAWRR> and tons of lies
01:31 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p508700B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)]
01:31 <HYPHYRAWRR> tank 
01:31 <HYPHYRAWRR> you shuold probably respond
01:31 <HYPHYRAWRR> hi manuel moos
01:34 <|Sticky|> hay hyph
01:34 <|Sticky|> on the war path?
01:35 <HYPHYRAWRR> ya
01:35 <HYPHYRAWRR> wanna come
01:36 <HYPHYRAWRR> dammmn canada belives the stupidest shit
01:36 <HYPHYRAWRR> wait up
01:36 <HYPHYRAWRR> i think i shud tell him i killed osama bin laden
01:36 <HYPHYRAWRR> do u think he'll believe it
01:36 <HYPHYRAWRR> proli
01:36 <madmax|pt> you brought the caps outfit
01:36 <HYPHYRAWRR> yep
01:36 <HYPHYRAWRR> view the thread
01:36 <HYPHYRAWRR> and post
01:36 <HYPHYRAWRR> i updated my awesum thread about my undercover life
01:36 <|Sticky|> i cant help but feel you brought this on youre self
01:36 <HYPHYRAWRR> as a fbi agent
01:36 <HYPHYRAWRR> dude i dont care
01:37 <HYPHYRAWRR> i havnt brought anything on myself
01:37 <HYPHYRAWRR> i dont care what he does
01:37 <HYPHYRAWRR> he can't prove something that happened
01:37 <|Sticky|> did you realy tell canada that stuff??
01:37 <HYPHYRAWRR> if it didnt happen
01:37 <HYPHYRAWRR> legit actually steals
01:37 -!- Poppet [n=Tronner@pool-72-75-33-178.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #armagetron
01:37 <HYPHYRAWRR> i told him i was gonna spread rmors about legit
01:37 <HYPHYRAWRR> and legit told him
01:37 <HYPHYRAWRR> they made up a plan
01:37 <HYPHYRAWRR> too
01:38 <HYPHYRAWRR> "saying he had a sn named plus"
01:38 <|Sticky|> dont start throwing around more roumors of illegal stuff
01:38 <Poppet> what are you talking about
01:38 <HYPHYRAWRR> i knew he was canada all along
01:38 <HYPHYRAWRR> dawg
01:38 <HYPHYRAWRR> durka gave him his sn
01:38 <HYPHYRAWRR> long time ago
01:38 <HYPHYRAWRR> because they hated each other
01:38 <HYPHYRAWRR> i knew it was himw hen he im'd me
01:38 <HYPHYRAWRR> durka told me to hyphy talk and piss off canada
01:38 <HYPHYRAWRR> so id id it
01:38 <HYPHYRAWRR> durka also tells me to go into servers wit him and make fun of ppl wit new names
01:39 <Poppet> what are you talking about
01:39 <HYPHYRAWRR> canada takes shit too serious
01:39 <HYPHYRAWRR> Canada called me a frauder
01:39 <HYPHYRAWRR> and that i steal credit cards
01:39  * |Sticky| sees the irony
01:39 <HYPHYRAWRR> its funny
01:39 <HYPHYRAWRR> poppet
01:39 <HYPHYRAWRR> let me get thread link
01:39 <HYPHYRAWRR> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=14041
01:39 <Poppet> uhmm ok
01:39 <HYPHYRAWRR> have fun
01:39 <HYPHYRAWRR> post a rpetty picture at end if u want
01:39 <|Sticky|> how old are you hyph??
01:40 <HYPHYRAWRR> i'll tell u in pm
01:40 <|Sticky|> ok
01:40 <HYPHYRAWRR> if u wont tell anyone
01:40 <|Sticky|> i wont
01:40 <HYPHYRAWRR> check yer pms
01:40 <HYPHYRAWRR> wait i'm not reg'd on tron forums
01:40 <HYPHYRAWRR> i mean this server
01:40 <HYPHYRAWRR> so u cant read my pm's
01:40 <HYPHYRAWRR> do u have email or something
01:40 <HYPHYRAWRR> lwlwl
01:41 <|Sticky|> pm on forums
01:41 <HYPHYRAWRR> Hyphy is just a young kid that likes to mess around on the internet and doesn't care about the consequences because there is no way proving what he says is true. Even if he said he steals credit cards, the fact that he says he does it doesn't mean that he really does.
01:41 <HYPHYRAWRR> geez i like durkas reply
01:41 <Poppet> lol
01:41 <HYPHYRAWRR> there is consequences to lying to 12 year olds
01:41 <HYPHYRAWRR> dammmn never knew
01:41 <HYPHYRAWRR> i though the worst you cuold get is a little brat crying about no santa
01:42 <HYPHYRAWRR> never knew he was going to go wit his mommy to cops station to file a report
01:42 <Poppet> dude, can you like post in 1 post instead of saying every sentence as a different post, sorry just a quirk
01:42 <HYPHYRAWRR> sticky check ur pms
01:42 <|Sticky|> k
01:43 <HYPHYRAWRR> sorry i'm use to talking on aim like this
01:43 <HYPHYRAWRR> itez how we dew
01:43 <HYPHYRAWRR> smoke sum blunts bang some chix steal sum credit cards
01:43 <HYPHYRAWRR> we're gangsters till the end
01:43 <HYPHYRAWRR> noimean
01:43 <Poppet> its fine, just annoying when i look at page and see HYPHYRAWRR 90% of the names
01:43 <HYPHYRAWRR> rawr.
01:43 <HYPHYRAWRR> poppet do you believe that i killed osama
01:44 <Poppet> no...:p
01:44 <HYPHYRAWRR> ur such a nube
01:44 <HYPHYRAWRR> because i did
01:44 <Poppet> lol
01:44 <HYPHYRAWRR> after i went hunting for ligers wit my uncle
01:44 <HYPHYRAWRR> i got a liger on my wall ftw
01:44 <Poppet> you know thats against the law
01:44 <HYPHYRAWRR> i dunt care i'm a law breaker
01:44 <HYPHYRAWRR> i ride dirty
01:44 <Poppet> ...
01:44 <Poppet> w/e
01:44 <HYPHYRAWRR> i liek ligers
01:44 <HYPHYRAWRR> they're fluffy
01:44 <HYPHYRAWRR> almost fluffy as canada's flag when its burning
01:45 <|Sticky|> yeah hyph i cant quite get your position.  on one hand you say its all lies then you are quite willing to throw around equaly unsubstantiated accusations.  Then its i dont care but you go mad and rant about all this stuff
01:45 <HYPHYRAWRR> i duno it jus tpisses me off
01:45 <HYPHYRAWRR> its like high school
01:45 <HYPHYRAWRR> rumors
01:45 <Poppet> the post really means nothing, because 98% of the internet is lies
01:45 <HYPHYRAWRR> actually i hunt his brother sumtimes
01:45 <HYPHYRAWRR> hi5
01:46 <DrJoeTron> do you have stairs in your house
01:46 <HYPHYRAWRR> no
01:46 <Poppet> lmao joe
01:46 <HYPHYRAWRR> its one story 
01:46 <HYPHYRAWRR> new itunes update
01:46 <HYPHYRAWRR> wit coreflow
01:46 <HYPHYRAWRR> fullscreen
01:46 <|Sticky|> hyph i think you pride yourself on generating a bad reputation i dont see how you can then get upset when people react
01:46 <HYPHYRAWRR> coverflow
01:47 <HYPHYRAWRR> idk legit is the last person i thought would make that shit up
01:47 <HYPHYRAWRR> hes just pissed because at the ladder i wasn't protecting him
01:47 <HYPHYRAWRR> long time ago
01:47 <Poppet> what ladder
01:47 -!- mode/#armagetron [+oo DrJoeTron ghableska] by ChanServ
01:47 <HYPHYRAWRR> ladle
01:47 <Poppet> ah
01:47 <HYPHYRAWRR> u know how we climb ladles
01:47 <Poppet> yep
01:47 <Poppet> brackets
01:47 <HYPHYRAWRR> rwarrrrr
01:47 <HYPHYRAWRR> i got money in teh bank 
01:47 <HYPHYRAWRR> from stealing ligers
01:47 <HYPHYRAWRR> frmo zoo
01:47 -!- mode/#armagetron [+b HYPHYRAWRR!*@*] by DrJoeTron
01:48 <Poppet> ;p joe
01:48  * [dlh] *
01:48 <Poppet> set a ip ban, that guys annoying
01:48 <@DrJoeTron> thank fucking god
01:49 <Poppet> thank god for joe having the ability to ban annoying people
01:49 <|Sticky|> well look hyph you have 2 choices...get mad and continue this flame war or start changing peoples opinion of you by acting better and perhapse stop being attacked in the future
01:49 <@DrJoeTron> i don't
01:49 <Poppet> what you just did /me
01:49 <Poppet> ?
01:49 <@DrJoeTron> nope
01:49 <Poppet> then what did you do
01:49 <Poppet> magic?
01:49 <@DrJoeTron> [dlh] just gave me op rights
01:49 <Poppet> ah
01:49 <[dlh]> wasn't me.
01:50 <@DrJoeTron> he shows up as gone right?
01:50 <Poppet> Sticky, hes gone ;O
01:50 <Poppet> thank god
01:50 <|Sticky|> naa i can still see him
01:50 <Poppet> w/e
01:50 <[dlh]> I don't know who op'ed you... hmmm
01:50 <|Sticky|> isnt he just silenced??
01:50 -!- HYPHYRAWRR was kicked from #Armagetron by DrJoeTron [Kick]
01:50 <Poppet> lmaoi
01:51 <Poppet> now hes gone! :]
01:51 <luke-jr_work> finally
01:51 <|Sticky|> oh great...he will go buy a nuke now in retaliation for that
01:51 <[dlh]> don't set an IP ban, he was using one of the web front-ends.
01:51 <@DrJoeTron> not like i know how to in the first place
01:51 <Poppet> the nuke will obliterate his reputation down a nother million karma
01:52 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr_work] by ChanServ
01:52 <|Sticky|> does this bot have karma??
01:52 <|Sticky|> hyph--
01:52 -!- mode/#armagetron [+b *!n=1805ee63@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] by luke-jr_work
01:52 <|Sticky|> heh no then
01:52 <Lucifer_arma> there's a karma plugin, I don't know that it's loaded
01:52 -!- mode/#armagetron [+b *!n=1805ee63@*] by luke-jr_work
01:52 <|Sticky|> #help karma
01:52 <armabot> |Sticky|: Error: There is no command "karma".
01:52 <@luke-jr_work> that's his IP encoded, right?
01:52 <Poppet> he can just change his ip
01:53 <|Sticky|> not with a web front end
01:53 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr_work] by luke-jr_work
01:53 <@DrJoeTron> well fucking christ guys
01:53 <Poppet> or buy a new computer with the money from stolen credit card :O
01:53 <@DrJoeTron> its not like its going to be obvious if he shows up
01:53 <@DrJoeTron> its not*
01:53 <luke-jr_work> I think he's guilty
01:53 <Poppet> he certainly acts like it
01:53 <|Sticky|> let him back...i want some more rant
01:53 <|Sticky|> i enjoy it
01:53 <luke-jr_work> if the chargebacks are successful, I might actually file a report
01:53 <@DrJoeTron> why didnt you guys kick him?
01:53 <Poppet> lol sticky
01:53 <luke-jr_work> just to subpoena his address
01:54 <luke-jr_work> DrJoeTron: I want to get paid
01:54 <madmax|pt> did you just ban people who use the web interface?
01:54 <luke-jr_work> = op someone else who will kick him
01:54 <@DrJoeTron> am i going to be martyrd?
01:54 <Poppet> i'll punch him
01:54 <luke-jr_work> madmax|pt: no, just his IP on the web
01:54 <@DrJoeTron> can i be a perma op :)
01:54 <luke-jr_work> 1805ee63 = his IP
01:54 <luke-jr_work> DrJoeTron: you can be perma voice
01:54 <Poppet> IPs dont have letters do they
01:54 <luke-jr_work> Poppet: depends on how you write it
01:54 <@DrJoeTron> as in silence people?
01:55 <|Sticky|> luke-jr_work: are you trying to reclaim money from hyph?
01:55 <Poppet> well, you could sue him
01:55 <luke-jr_work> sortof
01:55 <Poppet> :P
01:55 <@DrJoeTron> |Sticky| how old is he claim to be
01:56 <luke-jr_work> Poppet: your IP is or 484b21b2 or 1212883378
01:56 <|Sticky|> dispite the fact i dont agree with him i did say i wouldnt tell how old he was so i dnt think i can realy
01:56 <@DrJoeTron> ...you're shitting me
01:56 <luke-jr_work> ...
01:56 <|Sticky|> would make me closer to his level
01:56 <@DrJoeTron> theres no "levels" here
01:56 <luke-jr_work> |Sticky|: his age shouldn't be private info :p
01:56  * luke-jr_work subpoenas |Sticky| 
01:56 <luke-jr_work> Information wants to be free!
01:56 <luke-jr_work> :p
01:57 <luke-jr_work> GPL his age
01:57 <|Sticky|> old enough to know better than to try to impress a 12 year old with big talk
01:57 <@DrJoeTron> 15?
01:57 <luke-jr_work> lol
01:57 <luke-jr_work> tell us it in hex or months :p
01:57 <Poppet> DrJoeTron: Hyphy just makes people think he trusts them, and tells them info that would only be trusted to a friend, and lies about it
01:57 <@DrJoeTron> well no shit
01:57 <|Sticky|> could an admin on the forums read my pm's??
01:58 <@DrJoeTron> he was claiming to be tna for a while
01:58 <luke-jr_work> Poppet: no, he really does steal credit cards I think
01:58 <Poppet> lmao luke
01:58 <luke-jr_work> |Sticky|: you mean guru3 
01:58 <luke-jr_work> Poppet: how else would you explain him paying me with 2 different credit cards with different names?
01:58 <|Sticky|> heh well if someone could read my pms then little i can do to stop you
01:58 <luke-jr_work> and then the charges getting disputed?
01:58 <@DrJoeTron> divorced parents
01:58 <Poppet> if he stole credit cards, he'd have to be smart enough not to fool around trying to impress kids, or he'd be in jail now
01:59 <luke-jr_work> Poppet: kids usually don't tell
01:59 <Poppet> well, usually
01:59 <luke-jr_work> DrJoeTron: I'm betting the 3rd CC had yet another name
01:59 <Poppet> but some arnt clueless i guess... and actually do something :O
01:59 <@DrJoeTron> they could very well be relatives
01:59 <|Sticky|> not divorced parents cards??
01:59 <luke-jr_work> DrJoeTron: and they're disputing the charges?
02:00 <Poppet> |Sticky|: he cant have 3 parents
02:00 <@DrJoeTron> see luke-jr_work you have to fill me in on this information
02:00 <|Sticky|> dipping into parents hand bags??
02:00 <@DrJoeTron> but could have grand parents
02:00 <luke-jr_work> also explain why I ask for his address to confirm the charges, and he ASSUMES I'm trying to trap him
02:00 <luke-jr_work> also DrJoeTron 
02:00 <@DrJoeTron> hey hey, im not trying to completely defend him
02:00 <luke-jr_work> using parents' cards is still CC fraud
02:00 <luke-jr_work> legally
02:01 <|Sticky|> yeah
02:01 <@DrJoeTron> if its not to the parents knowledge
02:01 <luke-jr_work> yes, even then
02:01 <Poppet> DrJoeTron is just playing devils advicate, and at that, it points out how unlikely it is
02:01 <luke-jr_work> only the person with the name on the card can use it
02:01 <|Sticky|> although depending on your age i presume quite often you would be a minor
02:02 <@DrJoeTron> |Sticky| exactly
02:02 <@DrJoeTron> speakin gof
02:02 <@DrJoeTron> hold old is he
02:02 <@DrJoeTron> :o
02:02 <luke-jr_work> maybe I should ask customers their age and require permission from parents or such :/
02:02 <Poppet> well, Luke-Jr, not exactly, because if that were true, then there would be no identity theft
02:02 <@DrJoeTron> that would be pretty fucking important
02:02 <@DrJoeTron> dealing with 15 year olds isn't exactly a good way to run a business involving CC's
02:03 <luke-jr_work> I noticed
02:03 <Poppet> the truth is people dont want to waste their time trying to find the 1 wrong out of 1000, thats why at say, airports, they dont check everyone
02:03 <|Sticky|> yeah but if you have a valid credid card you kinda have to assume they are old enough to own one
02:03 <luke-jr_work> airports are fun
02:03 <luke-jr_work> I refuse to show my ID :D
02:04 <@ghableska> whoa
02:04 <@ghableska> I'm ops :o
02:04 <luke-jr_work> lol
02:04 <Poppet> you can be a minor with a credit card, but you need an ID from an older guardian, thats why i doubt hyphy is 15, or his guardian would know he was breaking the law
02:04 <|Sticky|> hyph just wips out an array of ids..."which one would you like sir£
02:04 <Poppet> lol
02:04 <luke-jr_work> Poppet: erm, no
02:04 <luke-jr_work> Poppet: it's actually illegal for a company to ask for ID to use a credit card
02:05 <luke-jr_work> nevermind that many do anyway
02:05 <Poppet> who exactly is he buying from anyways
02:05 <luke-jr_work> me
02:05 <@DrJoeTron> its also illegal for places to take money off of gift cards :o
02:05 <luke-jr_work> DrJoeTron: wtf?
02:05 <@DrJoeTron> as in to depreciate the card
02:05 <luke-jr_work> ...
02:05 <@DrJoeTron> yeah you've never heard of people doing that?
02:05 <luke-jr_work> no
02:05 <@DrJoeTron> companies that hand out gift certificates
02:06 <|Sticky|> heh well considering money on the whole devalues over time i cant see it being an issue
02:06 <Poppet> why would hyphy buy gift certificates
02:06 <@DrJoeTron> some of them think its cute to try and take the money back if you don't use the gift card within a year
02:06 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o ghableska] by ghableska
02:06 <@DrJoeTron> which is illegal to do now
02:06 <ghableska> oh
02:06 <luke-jr_work> DrJoeTron: erm, why shouldn't a company be able to expire a coupon?
02:07 <@DrJoeTron> because you already spent money on money
02:07 <|Sticky|> depends if its a coupon or something you have sold like in a voucher
02:07 <Poppet> why do people make you spend money on money
02:07 <luke-jr_work> you said "hand out"
02:07 <@DrJoeTron> they usually are
02:07 <@DrJoeTron> Poppet they're called gift cards 
02:07 <@DrJoeTron> for retail stores
02:07 <Poppet> its pointless, but less general than giving money
02:07 <@DrJoeTron> its for people who don't know what to get their kids for their birthday so they get them a giftcard
02:07 <@DrJoeTron> which is retarded
02:08 <|Sticky|> its like giving money...only worse
02:08 <@DrJoeTron> yeah
02:08 <Poppet> well
02:08 <@DrJoeTron> exactly
02:08 <Poppet> if you give someone money, then thats giving the impression you thing they're poor
02:08 <ghableska> o_O
02:08 <luke-jr_work> wtf?
02:08 <Poppet> think*
02:08 <@DrJoeTron> maybe with you
02:08 <ghableska> umm
02:08 <|Sticky|> one step above we have donated to a charity in your name
02:08 <ghableska> what it's a *gift*?
02:08 <@DrJoeTron> yeah man
02:08 <@DrJoeTron> its a gift
02:09 <@DrJoeTron> happy birthday!
02:09 <luke-jr_work> I'm poor
02:09 <luke-jr_work> so you all should give me money
02:09 <luke-jr_work> :p
02:09 <Poppet> but that would be odd if a beggar begged for gift cards
02:09 <@DrJoeTron> oh.,.. you got me money....
02:09 <@DrJoeTron> you poor son of a bitch!
02:09  * ghableska gives luke-jr_ Armagetron Advanced
02:09 <@DrJoeTron> hahahaha
02:09  * Poppet wins the internet
02:09 <luke-jr_work> that was a fun game
02:09 <@DrJoeTron> ugh...what is this 2.7!?
02:09 <luke-jr_work> let's play again
02:09 <ghableska> look, now you don't have to feel like paying me back :p
02:09 <@DrJoeTron> get it out of here!
02:09 <luke-jr_work> ghableska: paying YOU back???
02:10 <ghableska> of course...
02:10 <luke-jr_work> ghableska: how much of my bandwidth did you use to get it yourself??
02:10 <Poppet> #q
02:10 <luke-jr_work> :p
02:10 <armabot> Poppet: Quote #42: "The future doesn't belong to the fainthearted; it belongs to the brave. - Ronald Reagen, in his address following the explosion of the space shuttle Challenger" (added by Lucifer_arma at 02:03 PM, January 02, 2007)
02:10 <ghableska> :p
02:10 <@DrJoeTron> i got cat hair stuck up my nose
02:10 <luke-jr_work> lol
02:10 <@DrJoeTron> its driving me crazy
02:10 <Poppet> wtf
02:10 <|Sticky|> think of luke-jr_work's real victims: http://members.aol.com/erichuf/OSS2.jpg
02:10 <ghableska> cats are strange
02:11 <@DrJoeTron> i love my cat :3
02:11 <luke-jr_work> lol
02:11 <Poppet> dogs > cats
02:11 <@DrJoeTron> my cat acts like a dog
02:11 <Poppet> cats are for people that cant afford dogs
02:11 <ghableska> heh
02:11 <luke-jr_work> cats++
02:11 <ghableska> C++ o_O
02:11 <luke-jr_work> dogs are annoying
02:11 <|Sticky|> send money to luke's family
02:11 <@DrJoeTron> Poppet thats the stupid thing i've ever heard of
02:11 <Poppet> your annoying
02:11 <ghableska> dogs slobber
02:11 <Poppet> your right, i got 2 cats and a dog O_o
02:12 <Poppet> lol
02:12 <ghableska> *they're
02:12 <@DrJoeTron> ghableska im glad you decided to pick of all typo's i made, you picked that one
02:12 <ghableska> :d
02:13 <@DrJoeTron> my cat plays fetch :d
02:13 <ghableska> does it know how to use the toilet?
02:13 <@DrJoeTron> it knows how to play with it
02:13 <luke-jr_work> we should invite hyphy back
02:13 <luke-jr_work> he was more entertaining
02:13 <ghableska> heh
02:14  * ghableska forces luke-jr_work to juggle for us
02:14 <@DrJoeTron> i only kicked him
02:14 <Poppet> http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=1780166
02:14 <luke-jr_work> you banned him first
02:14 <@DrJoeTron> howcome it didnt friggin kick him then
02:14 <@DrJoeTron> it just put himon silence
02:15 <ghableska> he's still here? o_O
02:15 <|Sticky|> #lastseen hyph
02:15 <armabot> |Sticky|: Hyphy Leopard has last been seen on  Wild West  =Sumo= 58 minutes ago.
02:15 <luke-jr_work> kick != ban
02:15 <ghableska> #seen hyph
02:15 <armabot> ghableska: I have not seen hyph.
02:15 <|Sticky|> dam cant go get him
02:15 <@DrJoeTron> http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=1780176
02:16 <Poppet> http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=1780180
02:17 <luke-jr_work> [19:11:01] <|Sticky|> think of luke-jr_work's real victims: http://members.aol.com/erichuf/OSS2.jpg
02:17 <luke-jr_work> where did you get that link?
02:17 <|Sticky|> i seem to remember cant ops redirect you to another chat room...if he comes back send him to arma-rant so i can go listen
02:18 <|Sticky|> think it was on http://www.linuxsucks.org/
02:18 <|Sticky|> http://www.linuxsucks.org/ for all your rage needs
02:18 <Poppet> http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=1780186
02:18 <|Sticky|> "Linus Torvalds - Puppy Bestiality Enthusiast and Self-Described White Supremacist "
02:18 <@DrJoeTron> im scrolling through all of these
02:19 <|Sticky|> luke-jr_work: but i found it again through: http://chump.infoanarchy.org/2003/03/04/index.rss
02:20 <|Sticky|> luke-jr_work: but you should read linuxsucks.org for a good laugh
02:20 <Poppet> who cares about that, lets get hyphy to come back, and everyone be silent until he gets bored
02:20 <|Sticky|> need to find him first
02:20 <Poppet> ;p
02:20 <|Sticky|> unlock the thread so he can rand on the forum
02:20 <|Sticky|> #lastseen hyph
02:20 <armabot> |Sticky|: Hyphy Leopard has last been seen on  Wild West  =Sumo= 0 days 1 hours 3 minutes ago.
02:21 <Poppet> #uberinsult Hyphy
02:21 <armabot> You're not even the void in Plus's head
02:21 <|Sticky|> plus...is that canada??
02:21 <Poppet> according to the thread on forums 
02:22 <|Sticky|> wow hyph has been busy posting in the last hour
02:22 <Poppet> post link
02:22 <Poppet> wanna see his mindless rants
02:23 <|Sticky|> attack on z-man: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=14021&highlight=
02:23 <luke-jr_work> the reason Free software is good is because it is pro-monopoly
02:23 <luke-jr_work> in a sense
02:24 <|Sticky|> rather bizzare to accuse an open source programmer of lining their wallet(in referance to hyph's post)
02:24  * luke-jr_work considers a reply to piss hyphy off
02:24  * luke-jr_work will do it :D
02:25 <@DrJoeTron> what does voice involve?
02:25 <@DrJoeTron> do i get to silence people?
02:25 <ghableska> hyphy has more posts than myself :o
02:26 <|Sticky|> hang on hyph: "Simon has spoken"...is this his name??
02:26 <luke-jr_work> "I'm planning to modify the Arma server to require logins. I will release it to the community for $500, or to an individual for $50."
02:26 <Poppet> hyphy posted on Canada's post about Hyphy
02:26 <luke-jr_work> think that'll work?
02:26 <ghableska> huh?
02:27 <Poppet> Luke, that doesnt make sense at all O_o
02:27 <|Sticky|> hmm im a bit unsure about clicking is the link hyph has put at the end of http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=14041&start=15 safe for work??
02:27 <madmax|pt> wasn't hyphy happy just a while ago?
02:27 <ghableska> if you can call it that...
02:28 <luke-jr_work> Poppet: no?
02:28 <madmax|pt> well, happy in a twisted hyphy version of course
02:28 <ghableska> heh
02:28 <Poppet> lol
02:29 <Poppet> Luke-Jr_work: no what
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05:37 <armabot> I love you more than ice cream!
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> ty armabot
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05:38 <Lucifer_arma> I love you too
05:38 <GodTodd> she's saying that to wrtl :P
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> then she should be more specific!
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> armabot: you're a slut
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> not that that's a bad thing :)
05:39 <|Sticky|> now while I agree that the specific forms of drm that you have mentioned are bad does it realy then extend that all subsequent froms will also be.  after all eliminating an entire genre of software from use is faily contry to the open nature of foss
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> why don't you just hire a policeman to follow you around and make sure you don't shoplift?
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> is that reasonable?
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> do you trust yourself not to shoplift if the cop isn't there?
05:41 <|Sticky|> actualy i work on automated surveillance systems
05:41 <|Sticky|> heh
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know about you, but if someone calls me a thief because I considered buying something from them, I don't buy anything from them
05:41 <GodTodd> does the library make you keep the book there while you read?
05:41 <GodTodd> AFTER having bought the book?
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> the question is, does drm provide the benefits to society that copyright requires?
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> is there any possible implementation of drm that would provide those benefits?
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> now, eric flint took it a step further, hang on while I dig up a link
05:42 <|Sticky|> but removing safeguards on the premis that i may not try to violate them is a fairly weak argument
05:42 <GodTodd> sure...i couldn't envision a society when a rock star can't have his hummer *and* his fountain/pool...
05:42 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: some company embeds video cameras in their product boxes and tracks you around
05:43 <GodTodd> i throw boxes away ;)
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> http://preview.baens-universe.com/articles/salvos6
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> I really believe luke's crackpot theories
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> Sticky: you seem to subscribe to the belief that all people will steal, given the chance
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> read eric flint's article
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> he does the topic much more justice than I ever could
05:44 <GodTodd> yeah...it all depends on if you see man as basically good and ethical or basically bad
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> I've also poured my wallet into Baen Books
05:44 <luke-jr_> http://www.boycottgillette.com/
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.blackpeoplearereal.com/
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> er
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.blackpeopleexist.org/
05:45 <|Sticky|> i dont believe that all people will steal but the argument that you should giving people the opportunity to steal even though they may not is a bit weird
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> did you read eric flint's article?
05:46 <|Sticky|> not yet
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> read it right now
05:46 <|Sticky|> hang on
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> don't say anything else on the subject until then :)
05:46 <luke-jr_> |Sticky|: you realize DRM costs money, right?
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: if you haven't read eric flint's article, go read it
05:46 <luke-jr_> read it a long time ago
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> so you can make more sense yourself on the subject and hopefully sound less like a crackpot
05:47 <luke-jr_> maybe you should stop denying physical DRM's existence ;)
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> the school bookstore recently rearranged
05:47 <|Sticky|> im actualy not realy a fan of drm i just thought the exclusion in gpl is a bit weird
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> they used to have the checkout line where it caused maximum inconvenience for customers so they could make sure nobody stole anything
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> now they've rearranged it so you can easily go in and out
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> I guess having the opportunity to steal is a bit weird, isn't it?
05:48 <Your_mom_arma> "luke-jr_: Lucifer_arma: some company embeds video cameras in their product boxes and tracks you around." can you show me an example luke-jr?
05:49 <GodTodd> shush mom...don't ask him that :P
05:52 <|Sticky|> well me has to go to bed so will have to finnish reading that artical tomorrow...Rest assured i am not realy advocating drm, just like a good discussion
05:54 <|Sticky|> cyall later
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05:58 <Lucifer_arma> he might link to geocentrism again
06:03  * GodTodd wonders if the 'free library' idea would work for his own novel.
06:03 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: already did
06:03 <luke-jr_> http://www.boycottgillette.com/
06:09 <Vanhayes> gillette as in razors?
06:14 <Your_mom_arma> fyi rfid tags dont have cameras in them
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> grrr
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> lost track of years
06:15 <Your_mom_arma> and the site basically says that picking up and buying the product with said rfid will make security cameras take pictures of you, which in more or less every case they are already doing
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.belredweb.com/  <-- this site load for anybody?
06:16 <Your_mom_arma> loads for me
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> can you get a mailing address off it?
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> and phone number?
06:17 <GodTodd> 219 1st Ave S. Suite 220
06:17 <GodTodd> Seattle, WA 98104
06:17 <GodTodd> 800-610-5930
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> thanks
06:18 <Your_mom_arma> GodTodd beat me to the punch
06:18 <GodTodd> np
06:18 <GodTodd> mom: :P
06:19 <Your_mom_arma> i dont understand what luke-jr_ has against rfid
06:20 <Your_mom_arma> also good luck keeping track of someone with something detectable from only 20 feet away
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> that site still hasn't loaded for me, heh
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: if rfid sensors are everywhere, it's theoretically possible to track a person's movement
06:21 <GodTodd> gonna get ahold of nick and them again? or just a reference? ;)
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.engagent.com/newsite/aboutus.htm  <--- how about a phone number from here?
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> it's borked in firefox :(
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: need it on an aplpication
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> no, nick can go fuck himself
06:23 <GodTodd> i figured
06:23 <GodTodd> heh
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> I'd erase that part of my life if I could
06:23 <GodTodd>  Toll-free: (877) 820-7980
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> ironically, it was right after that that I started playing this stupid game, maybe you heard of it?  Armagetron...
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> thanks again :)
06:24 <GodTodd> this is what appears to be the borked one:  In Washington state: (425) 485-8754
06:24 <GodTodd> interestingly...i didn't see don on the bel-red employees list
06:25 <GodTodd> er...wait...you might have told me a while back about him having a falling out with nick too
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> he's not on the employees list, afaik
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> he's got his own job
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> well, he didnt.  See, he was the Best Man at the wedding, stole the wife (years later), but is somehow "trusted"
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> those guys are sooo fucked up
06:26 <GodTodd> haha
06:26 <GodTodd> that's right...i remember now :)
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> if my wife left me for Don, and he took her, he'd only ever see me again facing the wrong end of a gun
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> I guess I'm weird, you know, expecting my friends to have some basic manners and stuff
06:27 <GodTodd> if my wife left me for don, i'd have to question her taste personally
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> well, she did marry me first, after all, how good could her taste be?  ;)
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> (not your wife, mine!)
06:27 <GodTodd> bahaha
06:28 <GodTodd> that's just cuz you landed her when she was young and malleable :P
06:28 <GodTodd> heh
06:30 <GodTodd> so, the gillette thing....does that mean you are breaking some rule or get blacklisted or something if you pick up a razor, get your picture taken, then put it back and don't get 'snapped' at the register?
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, where did I work before Jiffy Lube?
06:42  * Lucifer_arma tries to remember
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> was it Sonic?
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> (this was a long time ago)
06:43  * GodTodd doesn't know :/
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> it was sonic, but I don't remember even what I made
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> this is the most annoying song with the nicest little vocal riff
06:44 <GodTodd> what song?
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> Pretenders - Back on the Chain Gang
06:44 <GodTodd> ah
06:44 <GodTodd> yeah
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> I love it when she goes "Oh oh oh oh oh oh"
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> sounds really nice :)
06:44 <GodTodd> heh
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> otherwise, the song really annoys me
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> it's annoying me now, heh
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> so Crazy Train :)
06:45 <GodTodd> an annoying 80s song?
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, what I came in here for
06:45 <GodTodd> perish the thought!
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> #g 6.30 * 40 * 52
06:45 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 6.30 * 40 * 52 = 13,104
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> damn
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> I lived on that?!?!?
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> ironically, I still remember the address :)
06:46 <GodTodd> before 3 kids, i'd wager
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, it's where I was working when I met that 15yo slut girl
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> she was hot, man, hot
06:46 <GodTodd> haha
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> nothing but trouble, though
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> don't remember the phone number
06:47 <GodTodd> yeah...i think my first job in AZ i made 6.50 or so
06:47 <GodTodd> that was decent when single
06:47 <GodTodd> heh
06:47 <GodTodd> and 12.5 years ago ;)
06:48 <GodTodd> #g 10.43 * 40 * 52
06:48 <armabot> GodTodd: 10.43 * 40 * 52 = 21,694.4
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> happen to know what year I moved back to Austin?  heh
06:48  * Lucifer_arma has to straighten out the dates now
06:49 <GodTodd> i'd have to look on your webpage archives
06:49  * GodTodd hints.
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> heh
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah!
06:49 <GodTodd> the crapper articles talk about it i think
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> archives aren't accurate enough
06:50 <GodTodd> ah
06:50 <GodTodd> hrmm
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> problem is, there was a website restore in there somewhere, and I picked random dates for older stuff
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> wait a minute, I can work this out
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> I'm in calc 4 now, right?
06:50 <GodTodd> yeah
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> calc 1 was last spring
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> algebra was the spring before that
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> so two years ago I started my first semester
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> that would be 2005, right?
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> came here in August of 2004 :)
06:51 <GodTodd> yeah...i seem to remember it was 6-9 months before i came down
06:51 <GodTodd> and i moved here on april fools day 2005
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> ok, dates are right now :)
06:53  * GodTodd hates reconstructing what turns into a fairly sad, unimpressive life.
06:53 <GodTodd> heh
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> oh good, essay questions now :)
06:54 <GodTodd> bullshitting time? ;)
06:56  * GodTodd wonders if people would pay a small amount for a bound copy of his book...hmmm
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> Systems development using analysis, design and documentation methodologies  <--- er, wtf is that?
07:00 <GodTodd> programming?
07:01 <GodTodd> HR for "code-monkey"?
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> that's what I thought, but how the hell am I supposed to respond to that?
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> er, nvm, I got something
07:01 <GodTodd> heh
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07:03 <Lucifer_arma> Analyzing and organizing technical data?  wtf?
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> "SELECT * FROM technical_data"
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> how hard can it be?
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07:08 <Lucifer_arma> finished, with 22 minutes to spare
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> (their system goes down at 12:30am for no good reason)
07:08 <GodTodd> heh
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> last time I got cut off by the 12:30am deadline, heh
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> had to do it all over from the start
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> my wife's stepmother works in HR for TxDOT and keeps making "Hurry up and apply here" noises
07:09 <GodTodd> haha
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> it's kind of a no-brainer, really
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> it's just that it takes 2 hours to fill out the damn application :(
07:10 <GodTodd> is that before or after the blood and sperm samples?
07:10 <GodTodd> ;)
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> before
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> actually, it's a pee sample they're going to want
07:10 <GodTodd> not hair?
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> I told my wife if I fail a drug test at this point, we're really fucked
07:11 <GodTodd> a lot of places want hair anymore
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> not hair
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> my hair should be clean anyway, it's been a looooong time
07:11 <GodTodd> you know...i've never done weed
07:11 <GodTodd> sometimes i think about that and wonder why
07:11 <GodTodd> heh
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> just hardcore shit?
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> man, don't tell me you've gone and had a fucked up life without doing any drugs
07:12 <GodTodd> yeah...once you hit the eightball a roach just seems anticlimactic ;)
07:12 <GodTodd> haven't done anything harder than nicotine and alcohol
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> really?
07:12 <GodTodd> really
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> well, congrats :)
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> drug addictions suck :(
07:13 <GodTodd> so i've heard
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> they suck more when you think you knew better beforehand, heh
07:13 <GodTodd> kinda like smoking 
07:13 <GodTodd> heh
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> I gotta admit though, one thing pot really did for me was enable me to finally hear the keyboards in all those bon jovi songs
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> so I'm not quite the bon jovi freak I used to be (don't tell Your_mom!), but I enjoy them a lot now
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> and I'm happy about that :)
07:14 <GodTodd> heh
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07:16  * Lucifer_arma is listening to a bon jovi song
07:16 <GodTodd> which one?
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> Only Lonely
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> one of the more boring ones, actually
07:16 <GodTodd> hrmmm
07:16 <GodTodd> not sure i remember that one
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> it's on 7800 degrees Fahrenheit
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> you know what?  Queensryche singing Dust in the Wind really sucks, I should delete this song
07:17 <GodTodd> haha
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> oooo, Suite SIster Mary
07:17 <GodTodd> mindcrime rocks
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to wind up listening to the whole record tonight, bet
07:18 <GodTodd> i bet
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> happens every time
07:18 <GodTodd> it's that type of record
07:18 <GodTodd> hrmmm....dunno if anyone would pay 15$ for a bound copy of my book :/
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> it's a better record when you can shout out the lyrics
07:19 <GodTodd> definitely
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> you really need to try to get it into a publisher
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> sorry :(
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> the problem with self-publishing is that a) no exposure in regular book stores (i.e. the places people *look*), and b) you don't really know if the book is actually marketable
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> you're too close to the subject here
07:20 <GodTodd> i know :/ was trying to shortcut....guess it's not to be heh
07:20 <GodTodd> i know
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> now, I'd like to see you get with Baen, and I'd really like to write my own novel and try to get Baen to take it :)
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> but Eric Flint says he figures he wrote ~500,000 words before he finally sold a book
07:20 <GodTodd> they're just scifi tho, right?
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> fantasy too
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> but they're anti-DRM :)
07:20 <GodTodd> fantasy i could probably do
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> hence why I've managed to pour my wallet into them
07:21 <GodTodd> yeah...i figure dreamcatcher will probably never sell (or it'll end up being printed in 20 years as a 'lost manuscript')
07:21 <GodTodd> heh
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> heh
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> you know, I've been waking up in a sweat lately, and the other morning I started wondering what I was doing in the middle of the night...
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> (the sweat is from exercising, though)
07:22 <GodTodd> did you have blood on your hands?
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> no, no blood
07:22 <GodTodd> ah
07:22 <GodTodd> damn
07:22 <GodTodd> :)
07:23 <GodTodd> ok....i'm resolved....i'm harrassing the agent market again during spring break
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> do it!
07:25 <spidey> ..
07:25 <GodTodd> haven't had a rejection in close to 5 months
07:25 <GodTodd> need more ;)
07:26 <GodTodd> wow...i didn't realize jim baen died...
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> yeah :(
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: !
07:29 <spidey> ?
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07:30 <Lucifer_arma> want to help run a fortress league?
07:30 <spidey> ?
07:31 <spidey> don't ask to much
07:31 <spidey> i've got a really bad headache
07:31 <spidey> anytime i think it hurts
07:31 <spidey> >:|
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> what else is new?
07:31 <spidey> ..
07:33 <GodTodd> so you're not in pain?
07:33 <@DrJoeTron> i just saw ghost rider
07:33 <GodTodd> does that mean you're the next to die?
07:34 <@DrJoeTron> i died in the theatre
07:34 <@DrJoeTron> considering nicholas cage just mumbled through out the entire fucking movie
07:34 <GodTodd> no...that was the pain of them pulling your wallet out your asshole
07:34 <@DrJoeTron> its chained to my pocket :/
07:34 <GodTodd> hence the "dying" pain
07:35 <GodTodd> name a movie nicholas cage spoke clearly in....that's like asking sylvester stallone to enunciate
07:36 <GodTodd> or william shatner to 'turn it down a notch'
07:36 <GodTodd> or jim carrey to get the fuck off my screen
07:36 <@DrJoeTron> yeah 
07:36 <@DrJoeTron> but
07:36 <@DrJoeTron> he reallly mumbled this time
07:37 <GodTodd> what do you expect...his head is on fire, man 
07:37 <GodTodd> heh
07:37 <@DrJoeTron> NO
07:37 <@DrJoeTron> see
07:37 <@DrJoeTron> thats the thing
07:37 <@DrJoeTron> he talked more clear when he was on fire
07:37 <@DrJoeTron> GUILTY!!
07:37 <@DrJoeTron> INNOCENT!!!
07:37 <GodTodd> maybe it opened the passageway?
07:37 <@DrJoeTron> LOOK IN TO MY EYES!
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> aaaaaggggggggggghhhhhhhHH!!!!!!!!!!
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> me eyes!  my eyes!
07:38 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o Lucifer_arma] by ChanServ
07:38 <@Lucifer_arma>  /kick DrJoeTron (hi there!) 
07:38 <@Lucifer_arma> phew
07:38 <@DrJoeTron> aw :/
07:38 <@Lucifer_arma> barely managed to pull the punch joe
07:38 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o DrJoeTron] by Lucifer_arma
07:38 <GodTodd> LWLZ!!!111!!
07:38 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o Lucifer_arma] by Lucifer_arma
07:38 <DrJoeTron> who gave me mod rights?
07:38 <DrJoeTron> was it luke?
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> beats me, but I had to take them before you retaliated
07:39 <DrJoeTron> i wouldnt do such a thing :)
07:39 <GodTodd> joe? abuse power?
07:39 <GodTodd> laughable
07:39 <GodTodd> ;)
07:39 <DrJoeTron> only arma servers do i destroy
07:39 <GodTodd> all your arma servers are belong to joe?
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> better g change my password....
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> hey joe, so youre willing to help run a fortress league, you're just not sure how much effort you'll give it?
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> can I take that to mean that after I do all the real work, you'll be so excited that you'll take over from there?
07:40 <DrJoeTron> possibly
07:40 <DrJoeTron> if you show me what i need to do
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> well, here's the thing
07:40 <GodTodd> hrmm...wonder if baen would let me choose joe to do cover artwork.... heh
07:40  * wrtlprnft thinks hyphyleo should be given admin rights on all servers
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> I'll probably do the schedule myself and then ask people to help with the raw dataentry
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> you know, on the wiki
07:41 <DrJoeTron> ok
07:41  * spidey bitchslaps wrtlprnft 
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> then you just need to mediate problems and help track game results, answer questions, make judgements on rules
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: wanna help run a fortress league?
07:41 <wrtlprnft> of what gind?
07:41 <wrtlprnft> *kind
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> regular season followed by playoffs, ending in a championship?
07:41 <wrtlprnft> and i'll need to leave in 5 minutes 43 seconds
07:42 <DrJoeTron> i can do that no problem
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> basically, we take the spoon, add the stuff that woudl fix it, and run a league :)
07:42 <DrJoeTron> i'd need you to check in from time to time :p
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> I will.  :)  It's just that over the time period, especially if we hit a point where we're running a season all the time, I'm going to disappear from time to time
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> so I want enough people involved at the top to keep it going is all
07:43 <DrJoeTron> ok
07:43 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: talk to me about that later, I have to go. But I'm generally interested
07:43 <DrJoeTron> yay
07:43 <DrJoeTron> im tip top
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: ko
07:43 <DrJoeTron> speaking of
07:43 <DrJoeTron> what have i really even become to this community
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> besides the dick mod on shrunkland?
07:44  * spidey agrees
07:44 <DrJoeTron> you guys would cry for at least 3 days if i died :V
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> you sayin' I'm emo?!?!?
07:44 <wrtlprnft> the mspaint expert
07:44 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o Lucifer_arma] by ChanServ
07:44 <@Lucifer_arma>  /kick DrJoeTron (hi there!) 
07:44 <@Lucifer_arma> phew
07:44 <@Lucifer_arma> another close call, joe
07:44 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o Lucifer_arma] by Lucifer_arma
07:44 <DrJoeTron> i cant die
07:45 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v DrJoeTron] by ChanServ
07:45 <+DrJoeTron> cause im the ghost rider
07:45 <+DrJoeTron> what does this even do?
07:45 <+DrJoeTron> do i mute people?
07:45 <wrtlprnft> it does about nothing in this channel
07:45 <wrtlprnft> it's just a totally useless plus sign in front of your name
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> I get a drooling yellow smiley face
07:45 <+DrJoeTron> you're just jealouus is all
07:45 <wrtlprnft> but it makes you feel like you have something everyone else doesn'T
07:46  * wrtlprnft is gone now
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> we should run a miniature season in July, with the top 4 teams doing a little knockout tournament in August
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> then start a regular season in the middle of September
07:48 <+DrJoeTron> hmm
07:49 <+DrJoeTron> what  would this league be called
07:49 <+DrJoeTron> what if you guys made a tournament client
07:49 <+DrJoeTron> it'd connect to a specific master server
07:50 <+DrJoeTron> and have a splash screen mspainted
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> heh
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> I don't see why not, except that there's something implied there
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know what it would be called, really
07:53 <+DrJoeTron> gee ya think?
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> no, what's implied is the work to setup an alternate set of servers that talk to a special master server
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> for me to host this master server, I'd need to take down the one I host for everyone else :/
07:54 <+DrJoeTron> i could host that master server
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> so someone else would need to host it...
07:54 <+DrJoeTron> like having it be hosted every league
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> then we need to get server admins that want to join the league to add a line to their file reporting to it
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: you kicking?
07:54 <+DrJoeTron> yup
07:56 <+DrJoeTron> i mean it kind of seems redundant
07:56 <+DrJoeTron> but this way you could have it so its completely isolated
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> not terribly
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> see, here's something
07:56 <+DrJoeTron> and doesnt have morons coming in and out
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> someone came up with the idea of running a web app that users had to login to get it to open the firewall to join a server
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> it was ishAdmin, I think
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> if that were implemented at the master server for the league, then you have to login to the league
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> a lot of admins could start up alternate servers with alternate configurations pretty easily *for* the league
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> I could.  :)
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> so we could build our own server packages for the league, too, that come preconfigured for the league
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> so it's not that far-fetched, but there is work to be done in there
07:58 <+DrJoeTron> hmmm
08:00 <+DrJoeTron> i could possibly do some hosting
08:00 <+DrJoeTron> i mean im sure i could process more than just the cage
08:00 <+DrJoeTron> on my server
08:01 <+DrJoeTron> shit
08:01 <+DrJoeTron> wait
08:01 <+DrJoeTron> do i need linux to run a master?
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> don't know, I don't know if it's ever been built for windows
08:01 <+DrJoeTron> yeah....
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> now would be a good time for z-man (hi there!) to appear and tell us about the limitations of the master server
08:04  * Lucifer_arma casts "Summon Z-Man"
08:21  * GodTodd wonders how many points will be counted off his program if he doesn't put in the unnecessary methods...
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> I'll post with what we've got so far and see if we can get some discussion, but if we're going to run a short season in July, we'll need to move pretty quickly from now
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> basically we'll need to be able to get signups done by mid-June at the latest, probably first week of June, so the schedule can be made before July
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> if there's a lot of teams, signups should actually be finished mid-May
08:38 <+DrJoeTron> i see
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=149541#149541
08:47 <+DrJoeTron> all i have to hope is that my ip doesn't change
08:47 <+DrJoeTron> since it seems to do that alot
08:48 <+DrJoeTron> i sure know alot for knowing nothing ":D
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> you can get a noip thingee, and I can make a consistent hostnme for you with a simple cname
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> wow, 3 reads already.  Are they all from people in here?  ;)
08:51 <+DrJoeTron> i clicked
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> one is me, obviously
08:52 <z-man> sorry, I'm too lazy to follow the discussion here, so I'll just post :)
08:52 <+DrJoeTron> hey z-man
08:53 <+DrJoeTron> well actually there is a question here
08:53 <+DrJoeTron> is there a windows build of the master server?
08:54 <z-man> There is a project and it builds, but it's not distributed.
08:54 <+DrJoeTron> thats the thing
08:54 <+DrJoeTron> if it could be distributed to me for this league deal.
08:55 <z-man> But the port the master server runs on is not hardcoded, you know? Anyone already running a master can just run another one.
08:55 <+DrJoeTron> they could, but why would they want to
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> well, hmmmm
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> if we're going to send out a special client for the league, then we could have that client use the right port for this master server :)
08:58 <z-man> The port is in master.cfg, regular clients can already use an alternative port. Read my forum response :)
08:59 <z-man> DrJoeTron: well, me and Lucifer are two of the people already running masters, so why wouldn't we want to?
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> just read it
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> well, if the master server port isn't hardcoded, I can happily run another master server :)
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> the only reason I didn't think I could was because I thought there'd be a collision between the one I already run
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> s/between/with
09:02 <+DrJoeTron> i see
09:02 <+DrJoeTron> and thats the end of that chapter(s) :D
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> heh
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> only question (which I'll post, we don't have to have this conversation twice, once here and once on the forums), is if a client can be released with that menu before june or so
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think 0.3.1 will be ready by then, so people running 0.3.0 will either have to go back to 0.2.8 for that client, or hack their own config files for support
09:06 <+DrJoeTron> make them work for it :o
09:10 <+DrJoeTron> alright
09:10 <+DrJoeTron> imma go to bed
09:10 <+DrJoeTron> ta ta
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09:55 <hoshi79> guten tag, ich bin ein neuling hier und wollte mal fragen wie sich das mit den lieblingsservern verhält ???
09:56 <hoshi79> welchen habt ihr da?
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11:26 <Lucifer_arma> man, did I really write that?
11:26 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/node/69
11:33 <hang3r> Maybe you can't remember because of the abduction?
11:58 <Lucifer_arma> heh
11:58 <Lucifer_arma> no, I wrote it.  It's just, well, when I write something, I hate it.  For like 6 months I hate it.  Then I ignore it and refuse to read it.
11:58 <Lucifer_arma> then sometime later I'll reread it.  Some stuff, when I reread it, I still hate it.
11:59 <Lucifer_arma> But some stuff, it reads like someone else wrote it, and I feel a connection to the author like if I were reading something someone else wrote.
11:59 <Lucifer_arma> and then I really like it, because you can't feel a stronger connection to an author than you feel for yourself, right?
11:59 <Lucifer_arma> borderline narcissism, if you ask me
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13:35 <spidey> no more headache
13:35 <spidey> :O
13:36 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, i could probably run a master server
13:36 <spidey> maybe 2 if the dedicated server turns out fine..
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14:12 <spider_> O.o
14:12 <spider_> gotta love those blimps, stupid things pop up once for each channel -_-
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14:29 <spider_> wrtlprnft, Lucifer_arma ping
14:29 <spider_> nvm
14:29  * spider_ is a idiot and forgot to use talk_to_master 1
14:30 -!- spider_ is now known as spidey
14:34 <guru3> wow hyphyleo is pissed :D
14:34 <spidey> ok maybe not :(
14:34 <wrtlprnft> spidey: pong
14:34 <wrtlprnft> nvm
14:34 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, wrtlprnft can you tell me if is trying to register with the master list?
14:34 <wrtlprnft> spidey is an idiot and forgot to use talk_to_master 1
14:35 <spidey> yea yea :P
14:35 <spidey> still not on this list after i put that in/restarted it
14:35 <wrtlprnft> grep running
14:35 <guru3> Lucifer_arma, z-man-work, any thoughts on the hyphy issue? he's threatened to sue me via pm :o
14:35 <wrtlprnft> o_O
14:35 <spidey> sue you?
14:35 <spidey> for what..
14:36 <guru3> yeah
14:36 <wrtlprnft> you're not in the US?
14:36 <guru3> invaison of privacy
14:36 <guru3> nope
14:36 <spidey> haha
14:36 <spidey> he can't sue you? :O
14:36 <wrtlprnft> so you can't be sued for every stupid issue?
14:36 <spidey> atleast, unless he flies to europe and tries
14:36 <spidey> :O
14:36 <spidey> and
14:36 <wrtlprnft> [2007/03/06 14:43:36] [1] Received new server:
14:36 <wrtlprnft> [2007/03/06 14:43:41] [17] Acknowledged server:
14:36 <wrtlprnft> [2007/03/06 14:43:41] [17] Updated server:
14:36 <wrtlprnft> [2007/03/06 14:43:42] [17] Updated server:
14:36 <spidey> a illegal matter isn't privacy
14:36 <spidey> :O
14:37 <spidey> ew!
14:37  * spidey pokes his client
14:37 <wrtlprnft> 4 lines ≠ flood I hope.
14:37 <guru3> heh
14:37 <spidey> wait
14:37  * spidey is a idiot again
14:37  * spidey started a second client with the settings then killed the wrong one
14:38 <guru3> hahaha
14:39 <spidey>  2091 armagetron      19   0  5752 3204 4748 T  0.0  0.3   0:00.28 armagetron-de
14:39 <spidey> why's it still running when i killall arma*
14:39 <spidey> ?
14:40 <spidey> tried the pid to, still doesn't die >.<
14:40 <wrtlprnft> -9?
14:40 <guru3> hanging process?
14:40 <spidey> guess
14:41 <spidey> -9 worked
14:41 <wrtlprnft> -9 can't fail
14:41 <wrtlprnft> unless you don't have permission to kill the proces
14:41 <wrtlprnft> su -c kill -9 1 always works.
14:42 <guru3> -9 fails if the process is defunct
14:44 <wrtlprnft> dfunct?
14:44 <wrtlprnft> *e
14:44 <guru3> and do you suppose i'm justified in deleteing hyph's titty comments?
14:44 <guru3> (the ones in random threads that have nothing todo with anything)
14:44 <wrtlprnft> it's your forums
14:44 <guru3> damn right
14:45 <spidey> if you have guidelines that says no spamming
14:45 <spidey> then there's nothing he can do at all
14:45 <spidey> :p
14:45 <wrtlprnft> and I don't think many people here will be angry at you for “censoring” stuff
14:45 <guru3> i mean in general ive got a 0 tolerance policy for spam
14:46 <guru3> that is for like advert spam
14:46 <guru3> but this is sort of...
14:46 <guru3> meh
14:46 <guru3> may have to write proper rules
14:47 <guru3> lack wrote a great response
14:47 <guru3> "Can't you express yourself without sounding like an ass?"
14:47 <wrtlprnft> go delete every off-topic post!
14:47 <wrtlprnft> and see what's left of these forums
14:47 <spidey> you know if you move that kinda stuff to a private forum with autoprune you'll keep the posts in your post count
14:47 <guru3> true
14:47 <spidey> if you delete tem you lost them in the post count
14:48 <wrtlprnft> who cares about the post count?
14:48 <spidey> :p
14:48 <wrtlprnft> it can be modified via mysql, anyways
14:48 <spidey> that's cheating!
14:48 <guru3> ive got a mod installed to make sure hte post count stays in sync with how many posts there are
14:48 <wrtlprnft> x_X
14:49 <spidey> heh
14:49 <spidey> grr
14:49 <spidey> i can't figure out why the server isn't showing on my list :(
14:50 <guru3> asking a different master server than your server's talking to
14:50 <spidey> probably, it's still being polled
14:50 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: nice screenshots :D
14:51 <guru3> the font looks very good on them
14:51 <spidey> /usr/local/share/games/armagetronad-dedicated/www-root
14:51 <spidey> 1173210443 shttpd_open_port: bind(4550): Address already in use
14:51 <spidey> can i disable the webserver?
14:51 <guru3> i think so
14:53 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: your domain.
14:54 <spidey> hm
14:54 <spidey> it's on now :D:D
14:54 <guru3> just checked my master server
14:54 <guru3> ppl r uzing it ><
14:54 <spidey> when i run it in nohup, it doesn't "run" can't custom connect either
14:55 <guru3> screen
14:55 <spidey> second choice :D
14:55 <wrtlprnft> spidey: you gonna host a server with negative pings?
14:55 <wrtlprnft> sec
14:55 <spidey> ?
14:55 <wrtlprnft> i think one can.
14:55 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=149631#149631
14:55 <guru3> and i wonder why my conn's been running at full upload since 9 last night
14:56 <spidey> ok, one more restart and i'll stop spamming ya'lls master servers :P
14:57 <spidey> done :D
14:57 <spidey> the nohup thing may explain why another server didn't show on a master list when i ran it
14:57 <spidey> but doesn't explain why tremulous does >.<
14:58 <guru3> found out why the conns been going full tilt
14:58 <guru3> appears my mom is dling something ><
14:59 <wrtlprnft> huh?
14:59 <wrtlprnft> there's an uMenuItemPassword
14:59 <guru3> Krawall
14:59 <wrtlprnft> yeah, just surprising
15:00 <guru3> still need to come up with a reply for the hyph thread :/
15:01 <spidey> which one?
15:01 <guru3> the one canada started
15:01 <guru3> cause i simply locked the one he started
15:02 <spidey> tell him you don't think something like that should be posted on a forum, but reported to the proper authority if the statement's legitiment?
15:02 <spidey> :O
15:02 <wrtlprnft> don't delete the server pass one!
15:02 <guru3> Oo
15:02 <guru3> i'm only concerned with the canada/hyphy one
15:02 <wrtlprnft> ok
15:04 <spidey> is it bad when you goto write your name on a school book and put "spidey" instead? :/
15:05 <guru3> yes
15:17 <wrtlprnft> #serverdetails negative
15:17 <armabot> wrtlprnft: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “negative” at the moment, sorry.
15:18 <spidey> #serverdetails 100
15:18 <armabot> spidey: ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit}: Players (3/10): <N'w>íLL0, elitehobo1220, i love tech
15:19 <spidey> #serverdetails 200
15:19 <armabot> spidey: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “200” at the moment, sorry.
15:20 <spidey> "Lubrication is essential for reducing friction"
15:20 <spidey> o.O
15:25 <wrtlprnft> #serverdetails negative
15:25 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Fortress with negative pings!: No online players.
15:25 <wrtlprnft> i hope this will make hyphy happy
15:25 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: ping
15:31 <wrtlprnft> guru3: strictly speaking a post doesn't waste more space than a PM
15:31 <guru3> no
15:32 <guru3> but i felt that saying it that way was ok\
15:32 <guru3> dont go poking holes in my argument intended to shut canada and hyphy up :P
15:32 <wrtlprnft> neither of them is here
15:32 <guru3> ya never know ><
15:37 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=149671#149671
15:37 <wrtlprnft> :D
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15:38 <spidey> lol wrtlprnft 
15:43 <spidey> wrtlprnft, how'd you do that? O.o
15:44 <wrtlprnft> it sais in the post
15:44 <wrtlprnft> *it
15:45 <spidey> where O.o
15:47 <wrtlprnft> years of research and quantum phyisics
15:47 <wrtlprnft> if i told you exactly how i'm afraid i'd have to kill you
15:47 <spidey> ..
15:48 <spidey> i'll take it you just add a "-" to the language file?
15:48 <wrtlprnft> ?
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15:48 <wrtlprnft> noooo, you'd have to do that on the client
15:48 <spidey> o
15:48 <spidey> source?
15:48 <wrtlprnft> and there's no language string for the ping display anyways
15:49 <wrtlprnft> you can join the server yourself!
15:49  * spidey wonders why this science book has all the answers in itallic
15:50 <spidey> doesn't that defeat the purpose of studing?
15:50 <wrtlprnft> no.
15:50 <wrtlprnft> because the important thing is how you get the answer
15:50  * wrtlprnft has written tests where all the answers were given
15:50 <spidey> this is the first one that has that
15:51 <spidey> that's kinda different
15:51 <wrtlprnft> like, “show that the radius of the path the electron flies is 0.23m”
15:52 <spidey> physical science
15:52 <spidey> not whatever that is -_-
15:52 <wrtlprnft> so you know you're screwed if you get something different from 0.23m
15:52 <spidey> so you remember 0.23m
15:52 <spidey> instead of studing it :P
15:52  * wrtlprnft is talking about a test
15:52 <spidey> memorize*
15:53 <spidey> it's not hard
15:53 <spidey> i used to do it when i was in public school and took mid-terms/finals
15:53 <wrtlprnft> and knowing 0.23m doesn't help you if the teacher asks you to explain your solution on the board
15:53 <spidey> just memorize a few words of the sentence, and the answer
15:54 <spidey> this isn't college work
15:54 <spidey> it's highschool
15:54  * wrtlprnft isn't in college
15:54  * spidey isn't in 12th grade
15:54 <wrtlprnft> not too much different in grade 10
15:54 <spidey> actually it is
15:54 <spidey> atleast here it is
15:54 <wrtlprnft> anyways, the answer is worthless
15:55 <wrtlprnft> and you're old enough to decide whether you want to learn it or not
15:55 <spidey> "The ______ is really a wheel and axle with a rope or chain attached"
15:55 <wrtlprnft> if you don't want to do the exercise, just don't do it
15:55 <wrtlprnft> that's what i do
15:55 <spidey> much difference :P
15:55 <wrtlprnft> #translate german englisch flaschenzug
15:55 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: "'englisch'" is not a valid language.  Valid languages include Chinese_simple, Chinese_traditional, Dutch, English, French, German, Greek, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Portuguese, Russian, and Spanish
15:55 <wrtlprnft> #translate german english flaschenzug
15:55 <armabot> wrtlprnft: pulley-block
15:55 <wrtlprnft> o_O
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16:03 <epsy> hi
16:04 <wrtlprnft> hi
16:04 <spidey> hi
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16:25 <spidey> "The LORD shall reign forever" 
16:25 <spidey> what does this have to do with physical science?
16:25 <spidey> o.O
16:32 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/device.png
16:33 <wrtlprnft> would this thing be a ____?
16:33 <z-man-work> what's that for a useless crap device? Martial arts? Bondage?
16:34 <wrtlprnft> 15:55 <spidey> "The ______ is really a wheel and axle with a rope or chain attached"
16:34 <spidey> ..
16:34 <spidey> pulley man, pulley
16:34 <hang3r> Toilet plunger?
16:34 <spidey> haha
16:35 <z-man-work> cue the super mario theme
16:35 <wrtlprnft> they should really be more specific
16:35 <spidey> lol
16:36 <spidey> and tomorrows assignment
16:36 <spidey> 35 pages of math
16:36 <spidey> >.<
16:36 <spidey> 30 pages of science is fine, because i read faster than i write xD
16:37 <spidey> math's gonna take 1/2 the day :(
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16:47 <spidey> ew, it's that luke-jr guy :D
16:47 <luke-jr> stfu luser
16:48  * spidey pokes luke-jr
16:48 <spidey> i may no be able to spell that good, but atleast i can spell loser :P
16:49 <spidey> #dict gigapixel
16:49 <armabot> spidey: No definition for "gigapixel" could be found.
16:55 <luke-jr> guru3: setting yourself up as a credit report service?
16:56 <guru3> no
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17:03 <hang3r> I'm getting sick of xmms, it's too old and its starting to show in a number of ways, and I can't stand amarok.
17:03 <hang3r> Anyone got any alternatives to xmms similar but more currently developed?
17:03 <wrtlprnft> none you can stand
17:03 <guru3> audacious
17:04 <hang3r> That looks promising, thanks
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17:15 <luke-jr> hang3r: xmms is obsolete
17:15 <luke-jr> hang3r: audacious
17:15 <hang3r> Just installed it, yeah im liking it so far, almost exactly like xmms
17:16 <luke-jr> guru3: sure seems like it; you'd prefer if people weren't warned about credit card fraud except you; so I should check with you before taking CCs
17:17 <guru3> ARGH
17:17 <guru3> stop poking holes in it
17:23 <GodTodd> luke-jr:): you shouldn't take credit cards anyway....not based on gold :P
17:23 <luke-jr> GodTodd: CC are USD only
17:24 <GodTodd> and?
17:24 <luke-jr> ..
17:24 <GodTodd> usd isn't based on gold either
17:24 <z-man-work> Bah, gold is worthless. Much too soft.
17:25 <z-man-work> maybe useful in projectile weapons.
17:27 <GodTodd> any form of currency is only useful insofar as those providing goods and/or services find it valuable
17:27 <luke-jr> [10:23:56] <GodTodd> luke-jr:): you shouldn't take credit cards anyway....not based on gold :P
17:27 <luke-jr> no CC is based on gold
17:27 <GodTodd> exactly
17:28 <GodTodd> and you only want to deal in gold
17:28 <luke-jr> never said that
17:28 <GodTodd> sure sure
17:28 <GodTodd> whatever you say, sparky
17:41 <spidey> children, children
17:41 <spidey> :D
17:42  * Vanhayes notes spidey is probably the youngest one here
17:42 <spidey> canada's younger
17:42 <spidey> :D
17:42 <GodTodd> canada's not here
17:42 <GodTodd> :P
17:43 <spidey> luke-jr, acts younger, does that count? :D
17:43 <spidey> gotta go.
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17:44 <luke-jr> no I don't
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18:41 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
18:41 <armabot> Vanhayes: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (10 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬ (9 players) || Norm's Place (8 players) || °¯ps Arena ~~~ Team Sumo ~~~ (8 players) || The Tavern (7 players) || {Delicious Desserts} Custom Map (6 players) || Strawberry Fields (6 players) || -=}ID< Immortal Dynasty Server (6 players) || Tigers Network Speed Blast (5 players) || ~/EF~ ClanServer (5 players) (1 more message)
18:42 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
18:42 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Custer & Pleasant Valley, Plano, Texas is 64.8°F (11:43 AM CST on March 06, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 22%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Pressure: 30.29 in 1025.6 hPa. 
18:59 <Vanhayes> #weather Saint John
18:59 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 7°F / -14°C | Humidity: 44% | Pressure: 29.61in / 1003hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 22mph / 35km/h | Updated: 1:00 PM AST; Today - A mix of sun and cloud. 60 percent chance of flurries early this afternoon. Wind northwest 40 km/h gusting to 60. Temperature steady near minus 15. Cold wind chill minus 27.; Tonight - Clearing this evening. (1 more message)
19:00 <Vanhayes> #more
19:00 <armabot> Vanhayes: Wind northwest 40 km/h gusting to 60. Low minus 22. Extreme wind chill minus 35.; Wednesday - Sunny. Wind west 30 km/h. High minus 11. Extreme wind chill minus 35.;
19:00 <Vanhayes> #g -35 C in F
19:00 <armabot> Vanhayes: (-35) degrees Celsius = -31 degrees Fahrenheit
19:01 <Vanhayes> #g -37 C in F
19:01 <armabot> Vanhayes: (-37) degrees Celsius = -34.6 degrees Fahrenheit
19:01 <Vanhayes> #g -39 C in F
19:01 <armabot> Vanhayes: (-39) degrees Celsius = -38.2 degrees Fahrenheit
19:01 <Vanhayes> #g -40 C in F
19:01 <armabot> Vanhayes: (-40) degrees Celsius = -40 degrees Fahrenheit
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19:04 <luke-jr> we should just use logarithmic units to confuse people
19:04 <luke-jr> :D
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19:34 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: love the freeciv ides
19:34 <luke-jr> idea*
19:35 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: you forgot me on your list of people
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20:10 <spidey> #logs
20:10 <spidey> #list alias
20:10 <armabot> spidey: add, armabot, armaconfig, bigbrother, bug, chatlog, check, damn, dance, date, die, die, digg, do, eliza, f, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, ircstats, joke, kill, lastseen, legit, lock, log, log, luke, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, onlineplayers, onlineservers, pacman, piong, poing, praise, q, realchatlogs, remove, resources, rou, roulette, roulete, rules, (1 more message)
20:10 <spidey> #log
20:10 <armabot> spidey: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
20:10 <spidey> wtf?
20:10 <spidey> #realchatlogs
20:10 <armabot> spidey: http://master3.armagetronad.net/armalogs/
20:12 <spidey> luke-jr, what freeciv idea?
20:14 <Vanhayes> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?sid=04920706e2c1ec2d9b1d7ccf81dae864&p=149841#149841 i think that was what he was talking about
20:15 <Vanhayes> paticularly this part "We'll have an awards ceremony after the championship. The exact mechanism for it is yet to be determined. Maybe we'll all meet up in a freeciv server.  (That's a joke, luke!)"
20:23 <mkzelda> http://www.handdrawngames.com/DesktopTD/
20:47 <Vanhayes> heh that game is awesome
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21:42 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: yeah, just blow him off.  (Hyphy)  maybe just move Canada's exposition thread to some private place (like the trashcan!).  Heh
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21:56 <luke-jr> ...
21:58 <epsy> …
22:01 <luke-jr> ^^^
22:01 <luke-jr> ‥
22:01 <luke-jr> ₁₂₃₄
22:02 <epsy> gah i dont have the 4
22:02 <luke-jr> you get ₄₧
22:02 <epsy> °¹²³
22:02 <luke-jr> ‼
22:03 <luke-jr> √√
22:03 <luke-jr> █▓▒░▒▓█▓▒░▒▓█▓▒░▒▓█▓▒░▒▓█▓▒░▒▓█▓▒░▒▓█▓▒░▒▓
22:03 <epsy> lol
22:03 <epsy> i remember sawing it in the logs...    ҈
22:05 <luke-jr> ╔══════════════╗
22:05 <luke-jr> ║  I win!      ║
22:05 <luke-jr> ╚══════════════╝
22:10 <epsy> lol
22:10 <epsy> mkzelda, 2948 score
22:10 <epsy> :P
22:11 <luke-jr> :o
22:17 <epsy> o lol
22:17 <epsy> watch this:
22:17 <epsy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZOmDe5Zs10
22:25 <z-man> guru3: when you give people a new avatar in the forum, can you lock it? I'm thinking about drawing a troll in a cage with a "do not feed" sign for hyphy :) Or better, have DrJoeTron draw it.
22:25 <guru3> haha
22:25 <guru3> i think it'd require a hack to lock it
22:29 <luke-jr> lol
22:37 <spidey> how do you untar a .bzip?
22:39 <luke-jr> ...
22:39 <luke-jr> I have never seen a .bzip :)
22:39 <spidey> -jxf?
22:40 <DrJoeTron> question
22:40 <[dlh]> answer
22:40 <spidey> wtf
22:40 <DrJoeTron> sweet
22:40 <spidey> :P
22:42 <DrJoeTron> can 2 servers be hosted on one machine and have them show up on the master server?
22:42 <spidey> yes...
22:42 <DrJoeTron> ok just making sure
22:42 <DrJoeTron> it wsa fighting before with my servers
22:42 <spidey> luke does it....lol
22:43 <spidey> root@zion:/var/www# tar -jfx phpBB-2.0.22.tar.bz2
22:43 <spidey> tar: You must specify one of the `-Acdtrux' options
22:43 <spidey> Try `tar --help' for more information.
22:43 <spidey> ^^^ :(
22:43 <DrJoeTron> i gues thats kidna funny
22:47 <z-man> guru3: well, then, I think at least he deserves one of those special titles. "Forum Troll" or "Ignore Me" or something.
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22:47 <DrJoeTron> oh man
22:48 <DrJoeTron> someone getting a custom title?
22:48 <DrJoeTron> can i make them an avatar?
22:48 <GodTodd> no
22:50 <guru3> that might be going too far
22:55 <epsy> gtg
22:55 <epsy> cya
22:57 <epsy> #goodbye
22:57 <armabot> Goodbye epsy :(
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23:02 <DrJoeTron> #listservers
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23:02 <DrJoeTron> #serverlist
23:02 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-216-182-238.client.mchsi.com] has joined #Armagetron
23:03 <DrJoeTron> the hell do i know
23:03 <ghableska> ?
23:03 <DrJoeTron> nuffin
23:03 <ghableska> #weather 50266
23:03 <GodTodd> muffin
23:03 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 38.1°F (4:02 PM CST on March 06, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Windchill: 33.8°F. Pressure: 29.15 in 987.0 hPa. 
23:03 <ghableska> s are good
23:06 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
23:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
23:12  * GodTodd gets the RSS feed.
23:12 <ghableska> fetch!
23:13 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
23:13 <armabot> Vanhayes: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (11 players) || Norm's Place (10 players) || Wild West =Capture The Flag= (8 players) || ~"XzL.Clan The Server (7 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬ (7 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (6 players) || Wild West =CTF Shooting= (6 players) || The Tavern (6 players) || °¯ps Arena ~~~ Team Sumo ~~~ (6 players) || Strawberry Fields (6 players) || Tigers (1 more message)
23:13 <GodTodd> see? :P
23:13 <Vanhayes> wd GodTodd you got it
23:13 <ghableska> #lastseen Vanhayes
23:13 <armabot> ghableska: Vanhayes has last been seen on  Wild West  =CTF Shooting= 0 days 22 hours 39 minutes ago.
23:13  * GodTodd is Mr. Fixit :D
23:13 <ghableska> fix luke-jr
23:13 <Vanhayes> #serverinfo cafe
23:13 <armabot> Vanhayes: Fortress Café: No online players.
23:14 <GodTodd> he's beyond repair unfortunately :/
23:14 <ghableska> I knew it
23:14 <Vanhayes> #serverinfo arena
23:14 <armabot> Vanhayes: °¯ps Arena  ~~~ Team Sumo ~~~: Players (5/12): eggcozy, featherfcuk, Gnezdo, Ulquiorra, ULTRA
23:15  * GodTodd is finally getting around to ripping his cd collection
23:16  * GodTodd waits for the sirens and paddy wagon now :/
23:16  * Vanhayes did that when he got his iPod
23:16 <ghableska> ipod?
23:16 <ghableska> bah
23:16 <ghableska> get a Zune!
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> fuck that
23:17 <ghableska> They "squirt" music, heh
23:17 <GodTodd> i just have a little 1GB player right now
23:17 <Vanhayes> they arent available in canada if I wanted one 
23:17 <ghableska> http://www.portableplanet.co.uk/2006/11/26/microsofts-zune-is-made-for-squirting/
23:17 <GodTodd> just haven't had the good ole music to put on it yet
23:17 <GodTodd> heh
23:18 <GodTodd> tho, sadly, i don't have seventh son of a seventh son on cd :(
23:19 <Vanhayes> wow, if "squirting" lasted forever instead of having a time restraint on it I would probably buy a zune
23:19 <ghableska> they need to rename it
23:20  * GodTodd giggles at the thought of M$ giving anything forever.
23:20 <ghableska> "Hey, I'm going to squirt some music at you, okay?"
23:20 <ghableska> o_O
23:20 <Vanhayes> heh
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> I just carry my harmonica
23:20 <ghableska> oh, heh
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> the zune ws obviously designed by marketing flunkies
23:20 <GodTodd> yep....M$
23:20 <GodTodd> heh
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> well, cya, gotta go to class
23:21 <ghableska> cu
23:21 <GodTodd> icup
23:21 <ghableska> funny colors
23:21 <GodTodd> at your temp...probably
23:21 <GodTodd> :P
23:21 <ghableska> :p
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> my son:  "Dad, what's your favorite food?"  "People"
23:22 <GodTodd> tell him the truth....it's shit sandwich
23:22 <GodTodd> ;)
23:23 <GodTodd> grr...i think my use your illusion I is too scratched to rip :(
23:23 <DrJoeTron> shut up
23:24  * ghableska shuts up
23:24 <GodTodd> fuck you joe :)
23:24 <DrJoeTron> ok
23:24 <DrJoeTron> 8--D
23:24 <GodTodd> you giving or taking this time?
23:24 <DrJoeTron> im going to give
23:24 <GodTodd> 8=================D~~~~
23:24 <DrJoeTron> :o
23:24 <ghableska> "Ghableska (with his own caveats, weird guy)"
23:24 <ghableska> ....
23:25 <GodTodd> yeah...that ghableska is one weird bird
23:25  * ghableska pecks GodTodd's eyes out
23:25  * GodTodd likes it.
23:26  * ghableska isn't DrJoeTron
23:26  * GodTodd knows very well.
23:26 <Vanhayes> #dict caveats
23:27 <armabot> Vanhayes: No definition for "caveats" could be found.
23:27 <GodTodd> #dict caveat
23:27 <armabot> GodTodd: wn, bouvier, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: caveat n 1: a warning against certain acts; "a caveat against unfair practices" [syn: {caution}] 2: (law) a formal notice filed with a court or officer to suspend a proceeding until filer is given a hearing; "a caveat filed against the probate of a will"; bouvier: CAVEAT, practice. That he beware. Caveat is the name of a notice (7 more messages)
23:27 <Vanhayes> bah
23:27 <ghableska> heh
23:27  * GodTodd notes that usually #dict wants the root word. :P
23:28 <DrJoeTron> GodTodd you mandingo
23:28 <GodTodd> fuck that
23:28 <DrJoeTron> fuck you
23:29 <GodTodd> after dinner
23:29 <GodTodd> you buy
23:29 <GodTodd> fucking user
23:29 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r7174 /tools/libGlicko2/trunk/ (libGlicko2.php process.php): fix some bugs
23:30  * GodTodd always pictures a werewolf-type creature whenever he sees the word mandingo.
23:30 <GodTodd> armagetronad: luke-jr * r7174 /tools/libGlicko2/trunk/ (libGlicko2.php process.php): fix some bugs that i foolishly created
23:30 <spidey> wrtlprnft, Lucifer_arma luke-jr  any idea why i installed the mysql server and get this #2002 - The server is not responding (or the local MySQL server's socket is not correctly configured)   i can't figure out what to config :(
23:31 <wrtlprnft> ps ax | grep mysqld?
23:31 <luke-jr> because you didn't start the server?
23:31 <spidey> root@zion:/etc/init.d# ps ax | grep mysqld
23:31 <spidey> root@zion:/etc/init.d#
23:31 <DrJoeTron> werewolf-type creature
23:31 <DrJoeTron> i think teen wolf
23:31 <spidey> luke-jr, .....
23:32  * spidey notes last time mysql started on its own :(
23:32 <spidey> on my home server anyways
23:32  * GodTodd jumps on the top of a van for some surfing at the mention of teen wolf.
23:36 <wrtlprnft> spidey: well, it's not started.
23:37 <spidey> it's not in init.d
23:37 <luke-jr> wizzee : 1157-1451 (rating = 1303.78237521; RD = 73.4443223772; volatility = 0.06)
23:37 <luke-jr> spidey : 1262-1558 (rating = 1410.05802238; RD = 74.0330956396; volatility = 0.06)
23:37 <spidey> ?
23:37 <luke-jr> ratings
23:37 <spidey> for?
23:38 <luke-jr> luke-jr : 1007-1759 (rating = 1382.98329792; RD = 188.048264351; volatility = 0.06)
23:38 <luke-jr> FA clan server
23:38 <luke-jr> I don't think it's working yet completely
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23:38 <luke-jr> volatility isn't changing
23:38 <luke-jr> :/
23:38 <spidey> wtf's that..
23:39 <GodTodd> how easy you blow up.
23:39 <luke-jr> lol
23:39 <luke-jr> supposedly, it determines how fast your rating is changing
23:39 <luke-jr> silver : -351-2453 (rating = 1050.67543279; RD = 701.042795394; volatility = 0.06)
23:39 <luke-jr> :o
23:39 <luke-jr> he must not play much XD
23:39 <luke-jr> huge RD
23:40 <spidey> ?
23:40 <luke-jr> RD is the accuracy of the rating, I think
23:40 <luke-jr> it's what determines the range of the approximation
23:40 <luke-jr> it goes up when you don't play
23:41 <luke-jr> mazuffer : -651-3789 (rating = 1569.37941243; RD = 1110.04743443; volatility = 0.06)
23:41 <ghableska> luke-jr: what am I? :p
23:41 <luke-jr> ghableska : -147-3064 (rating = 1458.16970844; RD = 802.760168951; volatility =
23:41  * luke-jr wonders why we're all under 1500
23:41  * ghableska has no volatility
23:42 <luke-jr> 1500 = what you start at
23:42 <luke-jr> volatility is clearly broken :p
23:42 <luke-jr> which suggests the rest is too and these are just random numbers
23:42 <ghableska> heh
23:43 <luke-jr> someone needs to look at my code and figure out why it's broken
23:43 <ghableska> ask GodTodd
23:43 <GodTodd> they're all under 1500 due to the range being 3000 or less :P
23:43 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r7175 /tools/libGlicko2/trunk/process.php: this makes RD slightly more sane
23:43 <luke-jr> ...
23:43 <luke-jr> GodTodd: that makes so much sense
23:43 <GodTodd> i know :D
23:44 <luke-jr> is there actually a range?
23:44 <GodTodd> that's what i'm calling that first set of numbers due to not knowing the Right Term
23:44 <luke-jr> oh
23:44 <luke-jr> the interval is calculated from the rating
23:45 <luke-jr> Rating - RD * 2 .. Rating + RD * 2
23:45 <GodTodd> ah
23:45 <luke-jr> the interval is the estimate :)
23:46 <GodTodd> estimate of what?
23:46 <luke-jr> Rating is best guess
23:46 <luke-jr> of skill level
23:46 <GodTodd> so the rating is really anywhere from the low number to the high number?
23:46 <luke-jr> the real skill of the player is, yes
23:47 <GodTodd> well...even that is an approximation due to extenuating circumstances
23:47 <GodTodd> i assume
23:47 <luke-jr> it doesn't know the real skill of the player
23:47 <GodTodd> right
23:47 <luke-jr> its purpose is to try to learn it
23:47 <ghableska> what about just having a kill/death ratio? :p
23:47 <luke-jr> ghableska: then I can spend the game pwning newbies :)
23:48 <ghableska> o_O
23:48  * ghableska is one of them :/
23:48 <luke-jr> kill 100 newbies would be the same as killing 100 pros
23:48 <luke-jr> with Glicko-2, killing 100 pros would be much more valuable
23:48 <ghableska> oh
23:48 <luke-jr> eg, it's not how many people you kill
23:48 <luke-jr> it's what people you CAN kill
23:48 <GodTodd> and what do you get for that 'value'?
23:49 <luke-jr> ?
23:49  * GodTodd thinks how to more simply rephrase the question since it's already pretty simple...
23:49 <luke-jr> 'value'?
23:50 <GodTodd> valuable implies value
23:50 <luke-jr> oh
23:50 <GodTodd> valuable == able to be valued
23:50 <luke-jr> no clue
23:50 <luke-jr> I have no idea how it works
23:50 <luke-jr> just what its purpose is
23:50 <luke-jr> just cuz I write the code doesn't mean I know what it does
23:50 <ghableska> o_O
23:50 <GodTodd> that's not my question at all
23:51 <GodTodd> but oh well
23:51 <GodTodd> heh
23:52 <DrJoeTron> how the hell was ren and stimpy aired on nickelodeon
23:52 <GodTodd> them was much simpler times, my man
23:52 <GodTodd> :D
23:52 <DrJoeTron> my ass
23:53 <DrJoeTron> i finally watched the dvd's
23:53 <DrJoeTron> and jesus
23:53 <DrJoeTron> i'm not suprised they fired john K
23:54 <GodTodd> heh
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23:54 <DrJoeTron> though now it makes sense why ren sounded weirder later on in the series
23:54 <luke-jr> ...
23:54 <DrJoeTron> since billy west started doing rens voice :o
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23:56 <GodTodd> making a whole lotta sense wasn't exactly that show's strong point
23:57 <DrJoeTron> i read john K's blog alot lately
23:58 <DrJoeTron> http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/ :D

Log from 2007-03-07:
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00:20 <Poppet> anyone know why my fps has been super low lately, its been like 3-5
00:20 <luke-jr> wizzee : 4359-4441 (rating = 4400.30751825; RD = 20.4594057292; volatility = 0.0
00:20 <luke-jr> spidey : 1928-2010 (rating = 1969.14368415; RD = 20.4594057288; volatility = 0.0
00:21 <Poppet> Luke-jr: what are you doing
00:21 <luke-jr> testing Glicko-2
00:21 <luke-jr> luke-jr : 1514-1596 (rating = 1554.8140387; RD = 20.4594057288; volatility = 0.0
00:22 <luke-jr> durka : 943-1025 (rating = 984.103165199; RD = 20.4594057288; volatility = 0.06)
00:22 <luke-jr> does Durka really suck that much? XD
00:22 <Poppet> you got a guess as to why my fps is so low
00:23 <luke-jr> sucky PC
00:23 <Poppet> it was fine last week
00:23 <Poppet> like up in the 150s
00:23 <luke-jr> ghableska : 948-1030 (rating = 988.939698026; RD = 20.4594057288; volatility = 0
00:23 <Poppet> 150-200
00:23 <luke-jr> someone stole your video card
00:23 <Poppet> lol
00:24 <Poppet> using lap top, cant  take out video card without me noticing the computer the keyboard is gone
00:25 <luke-jr> silver : 1811-1892 (rating = 1851.45471871; RD = 20.4594057288; volatility = 0.0
00:25 <Poppet> i did a virus scan and it didnt say there were any viruses
00:25 <Poppet> maybe i should defrag the computer
00:25 <luke-jr> maybe someone installed Windows on it
00:25 <Poppet> hmmm?
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00:32 <ghableska> lol luke-jr
00:32 <luke-jr> ...
00:33 <DrJoeTron> wrtlprnft i put the tub up again
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00:37 <luke-jr> ...
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00:55 <xfroggy> #roulette
00:55 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
00:55  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
00:56 <ghableska> #roulette
00:56 <armabot> ghableska: *click*
01:01 <Van-hayes> #roulette
01:01 <armabot> Van-hayes: *click*
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01:06 <madmax|pt> #roulette
01:06 <armabot> madmax|pt: *click*
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01:09 <Van-hayes> #roulette
01:09 <armabot> Van-hayes: *click*
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01:09 <ghableska> #roulette
01:09 <armabot> ghableska: *click*
01:09 -!- Van-hayes is now known as Vanhayes
01:09 <Poppet> mmm, armabot is alive again
01:09 <Poppet> #help server
01:10 <armabot> Poppet: Error: There is no command "server".
01:10 <Poppet> #help lastseen
01:10 <armabot> Poppet: (lastseen <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "fetch http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/lastseen.php?player=@1+@2+@3+@4+@5+@6+@7+@8+@9".
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01:11 <Poppet> #kill armabot
01:11 <armabot> armabot will die on Thu Apr 15 04:41:49 1999 due to being stabbed in the eye by ghableska.
01:12 <Poppet> #kill Poppet
01:12 <ghableska> ...
01:12 <armabot> Poppet will die on Sun Sep 24 22:14:57 1989 due to being stabbed in the eye by wrtlprnft.
01:12 <ghableska> armabot has #weather; why would I kill her?
01:12 <ghableska> #weather 50266
01:12 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 35.4°F (6:11 PM CST on March 06, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Windchill: 32.0°F. Pressure: 29.15 in 987.0 hPa (Falling). 
01:12 <Poppet> lol
01:12 <Poppet> #weather Irvine
01:12 <armabot> Poppet: The current temperature in Irvine, CA is 76.0°F. Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 34%. Wind: SSW at 10 mph (16 km/h).
01:13 <Poppet> wow, its hot in cali
01:13 <Poppet> 20 degrees here
01:13 <Poppet> #lastseen Seraph
01:13 <armabot> Poppet: Seraph has last been seen on °¯ps Arena  ~~~ Team Sumo ~~~ 42 minutes ago.
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01:32  * spider_ doesn't like phpmyadmin 2.6 :(
01:32 <spider_> there's no import option!
01:41 <DrJoeTron> #cnn 60016
01:41 <armabot> DrJoeTron: The current temperature in Des Plaines, IL is 24.0°F. Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 52%. Wind: SSE at 11 mph (18 km/h).
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01:45 <spider_> Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 8388608 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 2245027 bytes) in /usr/share/phpmyadmin/libraries/read_dump.lib.php on line 91
01:45 <spider_> haha
01:47 <spider_> #g 8388608 bytes ub MB
01:47 <armabot> spider_: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
01:47 <ghableska> heh
01:47 <spider_> #g 8388608 bytes in MB
01:47 <armabot> spider_: 8,388,608 bytes = 8 megabytes
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01:51 <ghableska> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/surrey/6422215.stm <-- wow
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02:14 <Poppet>  
02:14 <ghableska>   
02:14 <Poppet> #lastseen Poppet
02:14 <armabot> Poppet: Poppet has last been seen on The Lobster Tub(TEST) 58 minutes ago.
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02:18 <Grguitarfreek> ello
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02:19 <ghableska> o_O
02:44 <_Sticky_> oh dear 2020's target has risen to 1billion players
02:44 <ghableska> uhh
02:44 <ghableska> where?
02:44 <_Sticky_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFaDPE4qptM&mode=related&search=
02:45 <ghableska> sigh
02:45 <_Sticky_> #g 1,000,000,000 / (365*10)
02:45 <armabot> _Sticky_: 1,000,000,000 / (365 * 10) = 273,972.603
02:46 <_Sticky_> 273k new players a day for 10 years
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02:51 <kamp> hey
02:51 <_Sticky_> hay
02:51 <kamp> how're you?
02:51 <ghableska> hey kamp
02:51 <_Sticky_> ok
02:52 <kamp> cool
02:52 <kamp> hey ghab
02:52 <kamp> either of you linux users?
02:52 <_Sticky_> yup
02:52 <ghableska> nope :p
02:52 <kamp> neat, what do you use for instant messaging?
02:52 <_Sticky_> gaim
02:52 <kamp> bah
02:52 <_Sticky_> no good??
02:52 <kamp> i'm probably going to move to linux sometime in the next couple months
02:52 <kamp> i hate gaim
02:53 <kamp> i was looking for something more lightweight
02:53 <kamp> one of my favorite apps on windows is miniaim :) 81 kb
02:53 <_Sticky_> hmm seem to remeber ther are alternatives
02:53 <kamp> yea
02:53 <kamp> besides that, do you use gtalk?
02:53 <kamp> like, through gaim?
02:53 <_Sticky_> no linux port of miniaim?
02:53 <kamp> nah
02:54 <_Sticky_> gtalk??
02:54 <kamp> it's just some guy's program
02:54 <kamp> google talk
02:54 <_Sticky_> never heard of gtalk
02:54 <kamp> google talk?!
02:54 <_Sticky_> nope
02:54 <kamp> wow man
02:54 <_Sticky_> heh out of touch i guess
02:54 <kamp> do you need a new roof on that rock you're living under?
02:54 <kamp> :P
02:55 <kamp> oh well
02:55 <kamp> how about browser?
02:55 <kamp> do you know if there's Opera for linux?
02:56 <kamp> ah well i can just check
02:56 <_Sticky_> opera shows up in apt
02:57 <kamp> ah
02:57 <kamp> you use debian?
02:57 <_Sticky_> kubuntu
02:57 <kamp> oh, and it shows up in apt?
02:57 <_Sticky_> yeah
02:57 <kamp> i seem to remember ubuntu being anal about closed-source software
02:57 <_Sticky_> no more so than any other distro i dont think
02:58 <kamp> oh, but there's the whole thing where you put in the universe repositories right?
02:58 <kamp> neat, Opera has new builds regardless
02:58 <_Sticky_> yeah the default repos dont have that much in them so you do have to add the extra repos if you want a wide range of options
02:58 <kamp> and for like, every linux distribution
02:59 <kamp> ah, i see
02:59 <kamp> man
02:59 <kamp> i wouldn't mind working for opera
02:59 <kamp> but they have two locations
02:59 <kamp> oslo and seoul
02:59 <_Sticky_> even arma is in one of them...altho only
02:59 <kamp> seoul = too "other language" i don't know
03:00 <kamp> oslo = too damn cold
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03:00 <kamp> i remember that
03:00 <_Sticky_> why so keen to work for opera??
03:00 <kamp> that they only had an old old version when i used ubuntu
03:00 <kamp> because
03:00 <kamp> i like the product a lot
03:00 <kamp> of course!
03:01 <_Sticky_> just when people list their dream jobs few would come up with working for opera
03:01 <kamp> heh
03:02 <kamp> well it's not "work for google" "work for msoft"
03:02 <kamp> but it's very nice
03:02 <_Sticky_> naa firefox ftw
03:02 <kamp> firefox...
03:02 <kamp> i have nothing against firefox
03:03 <kamp> but i like opera better
03:03 <kamp> it's smaller, faster, and most important to me, more keyboard shortcuts :)
03:03 <kamp> from a working there standpoint, mozilla seems more focused on desktop applications for using the internet
03:03 <kamp> while opera is all about the browser
03:04 <_Sticky_> hmm interesting opera accounts for 1.6% of my visitor traffic
03:04 <kamp> i mean, there's opera, opera mini, opera for PDAs and phones, opera for the wii, opera for the ds.... so on
03:04 <kamp> heh
03:04 <kamp> yea
03:04 <kamp> a lot of people get weirded out by my own opera install
03:04 <_Sticky_> thats actualy quite high
03:04 <kamp> and that's just because i have it set so the address bar doesn't show up
03:05 <kamp> conversations go like this
03:05 <kamp> "let me show you this... hold on..."
03:05 <kamp> "..."
03:05 <kamp> "......"
03:05 <_Sticky_> considering 83% go to IE and FF alone
03:05 <kamp> "where's the address bar?"
03:05 <kamp> "press f2, dude"
03:05 <kamp> hm
03:05 <kamp> i wonder what the remaining percentage is
03:05 <kamp> lynx :)
03:06 <_Sticky_> 0.21%
03:06 <kamp> wow
03:06 <spidey> yay
03:06 <kamp> ?
03:06 <_Sticky_> Phoenix 0.04%
03:06 <spidey> finally got everything copied!
03:06 <kamp> what's your site anyway?
03:06 <kamp> never heard of phoenix
03:07 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.net  now
03:07 <_Sticky_> nothing interesting
03:07 <kamp> heh
03:07 <kamp> is that the name of the site?
03:07 <spidey> ...
03:07 <kamp> :P or just a disclaimer
03:07 <_Sticky_> heh
03:07 <kamp> err
03:07 <kamp> nice spidey
03:08 <kamp> sort of dull for now
03:08 <_Sticky_> FA new??
03:08 <kamp> and i personally hate dark sites
03:08 <ghableska> "please bare with us
03:08 <ghableska> "
03:08 <ghableska> heh
03:08 <spidey> :(
03:08 <kamp> yea :)
03:08 <_Sticky_> yeah install some strobes
03:08 <spidey> you know
03:08 <spidey> phpmyadmin 2.6.2 doesn't have a fucking import option
03:08 <ghableska> at least it's not an eye-cancer inducing website
03:08 <kamp> do you really need two navigational things?
03:08 <spidey> i had to copy 16mb of sql and manually add it
03:08 <spidey> >:|
03:08 <ghableska> with neon green text on a pink background
03:09 <kamp> as well as a footer that quite functionally says "footer"?
03:09 <_Sticky_> remember spidey nothing says class like comic sans
03:09 <spidey> it's not close to done :P
03:09 <ghableska> ewww
03:09 <ghableska> not comic sans!
03:09 <spidey> i probably won't even use that layout
03:09 <_Sticky_> yay all hail comic sans
03:09 <kamp> lol
03:10 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.net/design1/    "might" go with that
03:10 <kamp> hey hey
03:10 <ghableska> #kill _Sticky_
03:10 <armabot> _Sticky_ will die on Mon Jul  9 15:10:58 1984 due to being stabbed in the eye by armabot.
03:10 <kamp> looks the same
03:10 <_Sticky_> http://bancomicsans.com/
03:10 <ghableska> I know :)
03:10 <_Sticky_> heh
03:10 <ghableska> spidey, I like the second on
03:10 <ghableska> e
03:10 <kamp> spidey: that design looks the same
03:10 <kamp> just with a different background
03:10 <ghableska> you should make it a bit more subtle :p
03:10 <kamp> and tiny text
03:11 <spidey> mazuffer made the second one and i edited it
03:11 <spidey> kamp, does not
03:11 <ghableska> Lorem ipsum!
03:11 <spidey> it's far from it..
03:11 <ghableska> #wikipedia "lorem ipsum"
03:11 <armabot> ghableska: Search took 0.35 seconds: Lorem ipsum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorem_ipsum>; Template: Lorem ipsum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Lorem_ipsum>; Template: Lorem Ipsum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Lipsum>; Template: Lorem ipsum /doc - Wikipedia, the free (3 more messages)
03:11 <ghableska> heh
03:11 <kamp> does too
03:11 <spidey> not..
03:11 <kamp> too
03:11 <kamp> you're right
03:11 <kamp> it's a little worse
03:11 <spidey> ok
03:11 <spidey> so where's the 3 columns at?
03:11 <kamp> don't put the nav at the bottom
03:11 <spidey> :O
03:11 <kamp> makes no sense
03:12 <spidey> shush you
03:12 <spidey> !
03:12 <kamp> a nav that you have to scroll down to see is about a million times worse than two redundant nav bars
03:12 <kamp> i do like the background though
03:12  * ghableska kicks spidey in the shins
03:12 <spidey> ..
03:12 <spidey> why do you have to scroll down?
03:12 <spidey> i see it fine
03:12 <kamp> oh
03:12 <kamp> so your site will stick with that design
03:12 <kamp> never grow
03:12 <spidey> unless you're on a  600x res
03:12 <kamp> and always say lorem ipsum
03:13 <kamp> admirable
03:13 <spidey> then you'll have to scroll anyways
03:13 <_Sticky_> naa you need to do some scripting so that the navigation bar flys around...requires some skill to navigate the site
03:13 <spidey> kamp, it won't fill that whole page, no
03:13 <kamp> well all right
03:13 <kamp> i still think it should be nearer the top or the side
03:13 <kamp> maybe fixed position :) if you're brave
03:13 <kamp> fixed is always somewhat strange to see
03:13 <spidey> http://www.widgetry.org/fallen_angel/design1.htm
03:14 <spidey> http://mazuffer.com/temp/design1/
03:14 <spidey> also those 2
03:14 <kamp> what's widgetry?
03:14 <spidey> dunno
03:14 <kamp> ah
03:14 <spidey> burns edited that one
03:15 <kamp> his is already ten times better
03:15 <kamp> seeing as the nav is on the side :)
03:15 <spidey> position of the nav is irrelivant
03:15 <kamp> irrelevant
03:15 <spidey> ...
03:15 <kamp> i guess, if it's not getting any bigger
03:15 <kamp> still, i say better safe than sorry
03:16 <spidey> doesn't matter anyways
03:16 <spidey> index will choose a layout out of those 3
03:16 <spidey> and use it
03:16 <kamp> index?
03:16 <spidey> index.php
03:16 <kamp> ah
03:16 <kamp> randomly?
03:16 <spidey> like i said , it's not even close to done :P
03:16 <spidey> kamp, yea
03:16 <kamp> that's neat
03:17 <spidey> dunno how i'ma do it yet :P
03:17  * spidey sucks at php
03:17 <kamp> hey, even sucking at php is better than where i'm at with it
03:17 <ghableska> #weather 50266
03:17 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 34.0°F (8:16 PM CST on March 06, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Windchill: 30.2°F. Pressure: 29.17 in 987.7 hPa. 
03:17 <kamp> #weather 32608\
03:17 <armabot> kamp: The current temperature in Stillwind Subdivision, Gainesville, Florida is 56.7°F (9:17 PM EST on March 06, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 37.4°F. Pressure: 30.35 in 1027.7 hPa. 
03:17 <spidey> speaking of which, i gotta make a webpanel for editing the tron server :(
03:17 <kamp> 56
03:17 <kamp> :(
03:17 <kamp> cold
03:18 <ghableska> ...
03:18 <kamp> hahaha
03:18 <ghableska> you're spoiled :p
03:18 <spidey> #weather 38256
03:18 <kamp> no
03:18 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in Paris, Tennessee is 44.6°F (8:18 PM CST on March 06, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 32.0°F. Pressure: 30.24 in 1023.9 hPa. 
03:18 <kamp> i'm normal
03:18 <spidey> you're abnormal
03:18 <ghableska> spidey, you cold?
03:18 <spidey> :O
03:18 <spidey> ghableska, we ran out of gas yesterday!
03:18 <spidey> can't get none till next week >.<
03:19 <ghableska> take the heat sink out of your computer(s) :p
03:19 <spidey> haha
03:19 <spidey> p2 doesn't have a heatsink
03:19 <kamp> `man
03:19 <kamp> you guys live too far north
03:19 <kamp> tennessee, huh
03:19 <spidey> ..
03:19 <spidey> yes
03:19 <kamp> college sports fan?
03:19 <ghableska> tennessee is far south
03:19 <spidey> not really
03:19 <kamp> ah too bad
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03:20 <kamp> i hate missing opportnities to gloat over sec rivals though
03:20 <kamp> especially UT
03:21 <spidey> lol
03:21 <kamp> well i'll do a little regardless
03:21 <kamp> you can't spell citrus without UT :)
03:21 <kamp> that's a classic
03:21 <ghableska> uhh
03:21 <ghableska> UT = ...?
03:21 <kamp> what, ghab
03:21 <kamp> University of Tennessee
03:22 <ghableska> oh :p
03:22 <kamp> i'm from the University of Florida
03:22 <kamp> pretty good rivalry
03:22 <ghableska> heh
03:22 <kamp> though i mean
03:22 <kamp> their greatest qb never managed to beat the Gators
03:22 <kamp> i understand though
03:22 <kamp> we're a lot better
03:23 <ghableska> #whoami
03:23 <armabot> ghableska: ghableska
03:23 <ghableska> :D
03:23 <_Sticky_> guess they are talking in some yankey jibberish
03:23 <kamp> #whoami
03:23 <armabot> kamp: I don't recognize you.
03:23 <kamp> :(
03:23 <kamp> well whatever
03:23 <ghableska> register with armabot :p
03:23 <kamp> i don't recognize you either
03:23 <kamp> no
03:23 <kamp> i hate it now
03:23 <_Sticky_> #whoareyou
03:23 <ghableska> #kill armabot
03:23 <armabot> armabot will die on Thu Nov  2 13:15:36 1995 due to being stabbed in the eye by wejp_.
03:23 <kamp> ow
03:24 <kamp> #kill ghableska
03:24 <armabot> ghableska will die on Sat Jul 30 05:13:08 1983 due to being stabbed in the eye by mkzelda.
03:24 <kamp> #kill self
03:24 <armabot> self will die on Fri Jun  4 22:52:18 1999 due to being stabbed in the eye by mkzelda.
03:24 <kamp> #kill hip hop
03:24 <armabot> hip hop will die on Sun Feb  5 12:39:09 2012 due to being stabbed in the eye by wejp_.
03:24 <kamp> it's wejp!
03:24 <ghableska> wejp_'s been productive...
03:24 <kamp> heh
03:25 <kamp> killed arma, and killed hiphop
03:25 <ghableska> #kill kamp
03:25 <armabot> kamp will die on Fri Aug 23 10:51:35 1991 due to being stabbed in the eye by Vanhayes.
03:25 <ghableska> :d
03:25 <_Sticky_> #kill all
03:25 <armabot> all will die on Sun Nov 26 19:30:49 2006 due to being stabbed in the eye by Lucifer_arma.
03:25 <ghableska> hmm
03:25 <_Sticky_> #kill everyone
03:25 <armabot> everyone will die on Tue Jul  8 02:14:38 2008 due to being stabbed in the eye by [dlh].
03:25 <kamp> nice choice
03:25 <kamp> Lucifer's goin to kill everyone
03:26  * ghableska isn't surprised
03:26 <kamp> some sunday televangelist is watchin this sayin, yep...
03:26 <_Sticky_> #kill televangelists
03:26 <armabot> televangelists will die on Fri Nov 25 16:46:51 1988 due to being stabbed in the eye by Lucifer_arma.
03:26 <ghableska> :D
03:26 <kamp> lol
03:27 <kamp> #register
03:27 <armabot> kamp: Error: That operation cannot be done in a channel.
03:27 <kamp> blah
03:27 <ghableska>  /msg armabot register kamp thisismypassword
03:27 <kamp> and then
03:27 <kamp> login?
03:27 <ghableska>  /msg armabot identify ghableska thisismypassword
03:28 <ghableska> err
03:28 <ghableska> *kamp
03:28 <kamp> ghab!
03:28 <kamp> that's not your password :P
03:28 <ghableska> :p
03:28 <kamp> #whoami
03:28 <armabot> kamp: kamp
03:29 <ghableska> #whois kamp
03:29 <kamp> #whois kamp
03:29 <kamp> ...
03:29 <ghableska> heh
03:29 <kamp> it's /whois, no?
03:29 <kamp> har
03:29 <ghableska>  /whoami doesn't do anything
03:29 <kamp> lol
03:29 <kamp> just whois yourself
03:30  * ghableska yawns
03:31  * kamp studies
03:31  * ghableska does the same
03:32  * _Sticky_ sleeps
03:32  * kamp never does
03:32 <kamp> never
03:32  * kamp is lying
03:32 <ghableska> o_O
03:33  * kamp kamp never lies
03:33 <kamp> :)
03:33 <kamp> forget about it
03:34  * kamp wants a money clip
03:34 <kamp> i'm getting sick of carrying all this stuff around
03:35 <ghableska> you can give some to me...
03:35 <kamp> not that
03:35 <kamp> plastic
03:35 <kamp> i have a whole bunch of like membership this and that cards i don't need in my wallet
03:35 <ghableska> ah
03:36 <kamp> man
03:36 <kamp> i want to get two money clips
03:37 <kamp> one for the car, and one for actual use
03:37 <kamp> car one holds all the registration and insurances
03:37 <kamp> actual use holds money, one card, one id, and my health insurance info
03:37 <kamp> sounds good to me
03:38 <kamp> i need to remember to go to tfcu during spring break
03:38 <kamp> and find out how much money i have with them
03:39 <kamp> getting personally organized sucks
03:39 <_Sticky_> #night
03:39 <armabot> Good night _Sticky_!
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04:10 <kamp> hey joe
04:10 <DrJoeTron> hey
04:10 <kamp> what's up?
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04:10 <ghableska> heh
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04:10 <kamp> haha
04:10 <kamp> welcome back
04:10 <DrJoeTron> oh...just pressing the wrong buttons
04:10 <kamp> it's a skill
04:10 <DrJoeTron> more like a hobby
04:10 <DrJoeTron> do the cage and or tub show up?
04:10 <DrJoeTron> preferrably both?
04:10 <DrJoeTron> i can never see
04:11 <kamp> the tub shows
04:11 <DrJoeTron> its really annoying
04:11 <DrJoeTron> cage?
04:11 <kamp> no idae
04:11 <DrJoeTron> is it pokin its head?
04:11 <DrJoeTron> yeah...i had this problem last time
04:11 <DrJoeTron> either one or the other shows
04:11 <DrJoeTron> never both
04:11 <DrJoeTron> sometimes both
04:14 <kamp> no idae
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04:21 <DrJoeTron> bbl
04:21 <kamp> kk
04:23 <ghableska> http://slashdot.org/articles/07/03/06/1740234.shtml
04:23 <ghableska> hahaha
04:27 <kamp> lol
04:27 <kamp> not bad ms
04:27 <kamp> not bad
04:38 <Lucifer_arma> aha
04:39 <Lucifer_arma> I figured out the ping problem
04:39 <Lucifer_arma> every team should declare their home, which will be a server
04:39 <Lucifer_arma> during the regular season, and probably during the playoffs, each team plays each other team TWICE, once at each home
04:40 <ghableska> hmm
04:40 <kamp> hi luci
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> hi kamp (hi there!) 
04:41 <kamp> saw your ctf strategy thing on the forums
04:41 <kamp> had to correct it
04:43 <Lucifer_arma> is that what you were doing?  I read it as more bad advice from kamp.
04:43 <kamp> it's very good advice
04:43 <kamp> not lying about those stats!
04:43 <kamp> 90% of the time it works every time
04:43 <Lucifer_arma> so I should just run off to the corner and hide while kamp pwns the other team for me?
04:45 <kamp> well
04:45 <kamp> if you can stay in a corner without dying, sure
04:45 <kamp> i mean, you can do what you want
04:45 <kamp> play spades
04:45 <kamp> whatever
04:45 <Lucifer_arma> crank one out?
04:45 <kamp> as long as i'm alive, it's all good
04:45 <Lucifer_arma> "Oh baby, oh baby, kamp is so awesome"
04:45 <kamp> whatever tickles your pickle
04:46 <kamp> anyway
04:46 <kamp> what's new man?
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04:47 <Lucifer_arma> looking for a job, know anybody looking for a programmer?
04:47 <kamp> a couple yea
04:48 <kamp> 352 media group
04:48 <kamp> web programming
04:48 <kamp> and escape media group
04:48 <kamp> both here in gainesville though
04:48 <kamp> you're still in texas right?
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04:48 <kamp> i don't know them personally though
04:48 <Your_mom_arma> hey GodTodd
04:49 <GodTodd> hey mom
04:49 <Your_mom_arma> Lucifer_arma: the away/home game idea sounds good
04:49 <kamp> slashdot's layout is odd
04:49 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I'm in austin
04:49 <kamp> i was just going through it in opera
04:49 <Lucifer_arma> and the work needs to be either in austin, or telecommuting, since I"m in school and can't move
04:49 <kamp> has a whole bunch of odd blank spaces in it...
04:49 <kamp> dunno
04:49 <kamp> shoot them an e-mail
04:50 <kamp> i doubt it'd work for either one, though
04:50 <kamp> you might like escape media group though
04:50 <kamp> they're way too new for comfort
04:50 <kamp> but the product they're trying to put out is this thing called grooveshark
04:50 <kamp> some new community sharing music site
04:51 <kamp> you know... the music aspect
04:54 <Lucifer_arma> do you know them?  Or am I just swimming with the sharks sending an email?  ;)
04:55 <kamp> swimming with the sharks
04:55 <kamp> seems like a pretty stand-up group of people though
04:55  * Lucifer_arma is going "at large" for work, but he's also trying to get someone who already has an in to a job if he can :)
04:55 <kamp> and of course, they're gators, so they've got to be cool
04:55 <kamp> :)
04:55 <kamp> yea, i know what you mean, though. I can't help you much man
04:58 <kamp> i mean, that's how i got my current job as a student assistant
04:58 <kamp> did you look at the depts at your school?
05:05 <Lucifer_arma> hit up my math teacher
05:05 <kamp> not enough
05:06 <kamp> if your school has like a computer help thing going on, check them out
05:06 <kamp> personally, i'm working at the school's career resource center, the it dept
05:06 <kamp> check it out http://exitmundi.nl/Maya.htm
05:15 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.net/forums.php happy now kamp -_-
05:15 <kamp> i am
05:15 <kamp> i like it
05:16 <kamp> i wasn't trying to be mean about the other ones man
05:16 <spidey> lol
05:16 <kamp> it's just that a nav bar on the bottom makes no sense
05:16 <kamp> maybe like a teeny tiny auxiliary nav bar, in case your navbar isn't fixed and the user's at the bottom of the page
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, need a little quick-nav-bar at the bottom
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> but primary navigation should be at the top or one of the sides
05:18 <spidey> well
05:18 <spidey> hoto "home"
05:18 <spidey> goto*
05:18 <spidey> that's the main site, i'ma change the index nav bar at the top to something else
05:18 <spidey> just can't figure out what
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> make it look like my penis
05:18 <kamp> for the love of god, spidey
05:18 <kamp> it's bear
05:18 <kamp> bear with us
05:18 <kamp> not bare with us
05:18 <spidey> but your penis looks gay
05:19 <spidey> kamp, we know...we know i can't type for shit
05:19 <spidey> old news
05:19 <kamp> just stare down the keyboard
05:19 <kamp> and type with one finger
05:19 <kamp> less mistakes
05:19 <spidey> can't
05:19 <kamp> :)
05:19 <spidey> it's dark
05:19 <kamp> get this keyboard i saw once
05:19 <kamp> it's like a little light stand, and it actually shines out the keyboard onto a flat surface
05:19 <kamp> then you tap it out on your desk, and it reads where your fingers are
05:20 <kamp> neat thing, saw it once, never saw it again
05:20 <spidey> o.o
05:25 <kamp> oh hey luci, do you know anything about how the forums generate the server list near the bottom?
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> yes
05:26 <kamp> is there a server-friendly way to do it? i remember the armabell fiasco, with people making lag spikes left and right
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> yes
05:26 <kamp> where should I look to see?
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> armaspy advanced, I think
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlpwned did something similar
05:27 <kamp> ah
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> it's only in svn, afaik, and it only works in kde
05:27 <kamp> ah well, i'm just looking to make a similar widget for Opera
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
05:28 <DrJoeTron> ko
05:28 <kamp> personally, i was thinking of using the page it looked like was linked to from the main page
05:28 <kamp> that was a hell of an awkward sentence
05:28 <kamp> but that page doesn't really exist
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> yay, my machine is ready for DST
05:29 <kamp> now that i think of it
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> talk to wrtlpwned
05:29 <kamp> i haven't done anything for my machine
05:29 <kamp> all right
05:29 <kamp> i guess it's going to asplode on sunday
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> slashdot ran an article, so I just checked my laptop
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> now to check my server
05:30 <kamp> i saw the article
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> ooo, pwned
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> my server still thinks it's 2006 for DST
05:30 <[dlh]> kamp: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/serverxml.php?stripcolors — I parse this and create http://generalconsumption.org/armagetronad/browser/
05:31 <kamp> cool
05:31 <kamp> thanks
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> [dlh]: that was the bit of info I was sending him to wrtlpwned for :)
05:32 <kamp> we have way too many clans
05:32 <[dlh]> Apple pushed out that DST patch a long time ago…
05:33 <kamp> saw some parodies of the get a mac commercials today
05:33 <kamp> probably the best one was "apple. gay."
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> new item on my list for spring break: get my server off worthless Gentoo
05:33 <kamp> quick, short, and to the point
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> why didn't they say "apple.  nigger."?
05:33 <Your_mom_arma> kamp: http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/8193/
05:34 <kamp> oh yea
05:34 <kamp> that was it
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05:34 <kamp> wtg mom
05:34 <epsy> hi
05:34 <kamp> lucifer, i have no idea
05:34 <kamp> apple. gay. had more context
05:34 <kamp> seeing as the whole commercial involved a gay guy
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> why not use a black guy?
05:35 <kamp> who knows
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> oh, right, bigotry is ok when it's about gay people, but not when it's about black people
05:35 <kamp> ask the people that made it
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> speaking of bigotry, have I mentioned how much I hate Gentoo lately?
05:36 <kamp> you did call it worthless
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> 125 packages are updating right now, and I can only *hope* it'll have the DST fix
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> that's not even counting what the update is going to break.  Every update breaks something.  :/
05:37 <kamp> well
05:37 <kamp> good luck
05:37 <kamp> i'm going to go back to studying
05:37 <kamp> big ole test tomorrow
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> have fun
05:37 <kamp> bah
05:37 <kamp> chemistry
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going back to working out this fortress league thingee :)
05:37 <kamp> the letters f-u-n aren't even present in chemistry
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> no, but s-h-i-t-r-y are
05:37 <kamp> fortress league?
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, you didn't notice it when you bumped all those old threads on the forums?
05:38 <kamp> i saw some things about it
05:38 <kamp> hey, i haven't been on those forums in a long time
05:38 <GodTodd> chemistry sucks donkey balls
05:38 <kamp> so long i had to reactivate my account
05:38 <kamp> it was weird
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> hey kamp, I've always wanted to ask you something
05:38 <kamp> shoot
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> if you went camping, and you woke up with semen in your butthole, would you tell anyone
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> ?
05:39 <kamp> as far as odd questions go, that's tops
05:39 <kamp> depends on whether i was with anyone
05:39 <kamp> if i'm alone, hell yea
05:39 <GodTodd> not really odd....old, yes ;)
05:39 <kamp> tell the police, there's a rapist on the loose
05:40 <kamp> if i'm with someone yea, and there'd probably be some fists thrown to boot
05:40  * Lucifer_arma marks kamp off his list of people to go camping with
05:40 <kamp> heh
05:40 <kamp> i don't go camping either way
05:40  * kamp is a city kid
05:41 <kamp> heh
05:41 <kamp> what was the point of that question?
05:42 <GodTodd> if you said no, he'd ask if you wanna go camping
05:42 <kamp> ah
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it's a pretty old joke
05:42 <kamp> never heard it
05:42 <kamp> or maybe i did and forgot
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> I got written up at a job one time for telling that joke in front of a girl who'd actually been raped while camping
05:43 <kamp> ...
05:43 <kamp> wow
05:43 <kamp> that's bad luck
05:43 <GodTodd> thing is...you'd have to have a pretty loose asshole in the first place in order for the sex to not wake you up....i assume anyway
05:43 <GodTodd> heh
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> lesson learned?  You're responsible for other people's issues, even if you don't know about them!
05:43 <kamp> yea, god, that struck me too
05:43 <kamp> heh
05:43 <kamp> i usually call people out on irc by the first couple letters... more like the first morpheme of their name
05:43 <kamp> something wrong with calling godtodd god though
05:44 <kamp> it's awkward
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> call him god<tab> then
05:44  * GodTodd won't argue with being called god ;)
05:44 <kamp> this irc client is pretty dumb
05:44 <kamp> no tab completion as far as i can tell
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> you using the one luke-jr_ (hi there!) wrote?
05:44 <kamp> did he write bersirc?
05:44 <GodTodd> yeah...i just call Lucifer_arma luc<tab>
05:45 <luke-jr_> no
05:45 <kamp> then no
05:45 <luke-jr_> I'd write an XMPP client first
05:45 <luke-jr_> you should know that, Lucifer_arma 
05:45 <kamp> hang on, i'm going to wrestly opera chat
05:45  * Lucifer_arma is considering installing an xmpp/irc gateway for the fortress league
05:45 <kamp> maybe it'll work this time
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> since so many arma users seem to be using a multi-protocol IM client...
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05:46 <kamp> there
05:46 <kamp> Lucifer_arma: 
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> now say god<tab>
05:46 <kamp> yea, this one has tab completion
05:46 <kamp> GodTodd: <--this phrase brought to you by the key <tab>
05:46 <DrJoeTron> imma city kid
05:46 <kamp> yea
05:46 <DrJoeTron> i go campin every chance i get
05:46  * GodTodd watches all the pretty red text. :)
05:46 <GodTodd> joe, you're a city slut
05:47 <kamp> but you're a northern city kid
05:47 <GodTodd> that don't count
05:47 <GodTodd> :P
05:47 <kamp> you guys have like
05:47 <DrJoeTron> i was a boyscout :D
05:47 <kamp> cabin fever
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> enjoy it while you can, GodDamn
05:47 <kamp> and all sorts of other junk
05:47 <kamp> that happens when you can't go outsie for months at a time
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> who says they can't go outside for months at a time?
05:47 <kamp> me
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> it's not their fault they wuss out over the weather
05:48 <kamp> because i would avoid going outside when it dips under forty
05:48 <kamp> and under freezing, fuck that
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> after my wife started smoking again, she wussed out and smoked a cigarette in the garage when it was 50 degrees outside
05:48 <Your_mom_arma> haha
05:48 <GodTodd> so whose fault is it that joe's a wuss?
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> boy was she in trouble.  I still had to smoke outside when it was near 0 degrees!
05:48 <kamp> heh
05:48 <kamp> by the way
05:48 <kamp> smoking's pretty bad for you
05:48 <GodTodd> is it?
05:48 <kamp> just had to put that out there
05:48 <GodTodd> really?
05:48 <GodTodd> ;)
05:49 <kamp> yea dude
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> so's living in Florida, kamp
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> so is living in Florida
05:49 <kamp> nah
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> yep
05:49 <Your_mom_arma> near 0 degrees f in texas?
05:49 <GodTodd> it happens
05:49 <kamp> living in florida is probably the best thing to happen to retired people
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: it was in Seattle
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> she straightened out her act when I pointed out that minor fact.
05:49 <kamp> tomorrow night is going to be pretty fun
05:49  * GodTodd watches kamp play shuffleboard before the big bingo tourny
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> so now when she wusses out over the weather, she just smokes less
05:50 <kamp> we're highjacking one of the rooms in the engineering building and playing super smash brothers with the projector
05:50 <kamp> nothing like a wall full of kirby cooking mario
05:50 <kamp> GodTodd: bingo!
05:50 <GodTodd> :D
05:50 <DrJoeTron> sweet
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> trust a damn liberal arts kid to hijack a perfectly good engineering room for video games
05:50 <DrJoeTron> just banned 3 people from shrunk
05:50 <kamp> i'm terrible at shuffleboard
05:51 <kamp> liberal arts kid?! i'm a engineer
05:51 <DrJoeTron> kamp is a FAG
05:51 <DrJoeTron> fine arts guy! :D
05:51 <kamp> har har har
05:51 <DrJoeTron> hurrr
05:51 <kamp> next semester
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> it's true, kamp loves performing
05:51 <kamp> when i go back into my ethnomusicology minor
05:52 <kamp> then i'll be a fine arts guy
05:52 <DrJoeTron> im no wuss
05:52 <DrJoeTron> i eat lightning and shit thunder
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> so you eat faster than you shit?
05:52 <kamp> those are some loud farts then
05:52 <GodTodd> ethnomusicology............gotta love acadamia :)
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> is that a problem for you?
05:52 <DrJoeTron> can you eat lightning?
05:52 <DrJoeTron> i doubt it
05:52 <kamp> haha
05:52 <kamp> i tried once
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> ethnomusicology is the study of black people music, isn't it?
05:52 <kamp> never got the taste for it
05:52 <kamp> no
05:53 <DrJoeTron> i yeah
05:53 <hang3r> Anyone here watch battle star galactica?
05:53 <DrJoeTron> i keep a tesla coil for snacking
05:53 <kamp> it's the study of music and ethnicity, from a cultural anthropological perspective
05:53  * kamp takes a bow for that wonderful definition
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> hang3r: I used to watch it, when I was like 7
05:53 <kamp> hang3r: that show is still on?
05:53 <kamp> i used to watch commercials for it
05:53 <GodTodd> so....old black people music 
05:53 <GodTodd> heh
05:53 <kamp> and then switch back to star trek
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> dead, old black people music
05:54 <hang3r> Nah, the old BSG is dead, the new remake of the series is quite good
05:54 <kamp> well in the first class for the minor, we basically stuck to african music and south american music
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> hang3r: when I want to get my brain sucked out, I put my vacuum hose up to my ear
05:54 <kamp> oh, well guatemala is in central america, so central america also
05:54 <hang3r> Lucifer_arma, lmao
05:54 <kamp> dipped into hip hop and newer latin musics as well
05:55 <GodTodd> wtf are they remaking all these old scifi series?
05:55 <kamp> like salsa and the such
05:55 <kamp> GodTodd: to make money
05:55 <kamp> duh!
05:55 <GodTodd> no excuse
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: they ran out of mediocre ideas and had to recycle the old mediocre ideas they used to have
05:55 <kamp> have you noticed all the movies that have become tv shows?
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> er, that's not terribly new...
05:56 <kamp> not like that
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> what I want to see is another miniseries on the scale of V
05:56 <kamp> i mean movies that were never made, and gotconverted to tv shows
05:56 <kamp> like daybreak, or prison break, or 24
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> kamp: like Babylon 5?
05:56 <kamp> these are all obviously movies in a past life
05:56  * Lucifer_arma remembers watching the Babylon 5 pilot years before it finally sold
05:56 <kamp> but got split up, complicated a bit, and are now tv shows
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> kamp: I disagree, I think they've gone to more serial programming in fiction to counter the episodic nature of reality tv
05:57 <GodTodd> i think screenwriters as a whole have pretty much run out of 'artistic vision' and are just marketers with a keyboard now
05:57 <kamp> ah well
05:57 <kamp> i want a winning lottery ticket
05:57 <kamp> the jackpot's 3 million right now
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> I'll sell you one
05:57 <GodTodd> only 3 million?
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> guaranteed to win
05:58 <kamp> yea, i guess someone won it recently
05:58 <kamp> whatever
05:58 <kamp> 3 million is still a lot
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> not as much as it used to be, I'm afriad
05:58 <GodTodd> ours here is in the hundreds of millions afaik (that is, that i heard before the drawing tonight) ;)
05:58 <kamp> hundreds of millions?!
05:58 <GodTodd> yep
05:59 <GodTodd> apparently been growing for a while
05:59 <kamp> i don't think the florida lotto's ever gotten higher than 40 or 50 mil
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> hopefully someone will win it before our stupid governor manages to sell it off
05:59 <GodTodd> haha
05:59 <kamp> GodTodd:  where do you live?
05:59 <GodTodd> dallas
05:59 <kamp> damn
05:59 <kamp> texas: state of the unluckiest people
05:59 <kamp> ever
05:59 <kamp> hundreds of millions
05:59 <GodTodd> when i lived in NE, i saw it hit 300 mil or so twice
05:59 <kamp> that's ridiculous
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> nah, I think they're gaming to lottery to drive up the selling price
05:59 <kamp> anyway
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> our stupid governor wants to sell the lottery
05:59 <kamp> any winning lotto ticket would be nice
05:59 <kamp> to who?
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> I'll give you a winner
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> I can't guarantee which drawing it will win, or even which century the drawing will take place...
06:00 <kamp> ...
06:00 <kamp> thanks
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> kamp: he wants to sell it to one of his corporate buddies, of course
06:00 <kamp> doesn't your lotto fund something or other though?
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> just like he's selling off our highways
06:00 <GodTodd> it helps fund education
06:00 <GodTodd> for now
06:00 <kamp> personally, i don't see myself as spending money right now, on lotto tickets, since i know it's coming directly back to me
06:01 <kamp> i'm on the scholly that the lotto funds
06:01 <DrJoeTron> i bought some lotto tickets
06:01 <DrJoeTron> and did the scratch and win
06:01 <DrJoeTron> im not a lucky guy
06:01 <kamp> did you scratch?
06:01 <kamp> did you win?
06:01 <kamp> i only know one person who won off a scratch and win
06:01 <DrJoeTron> i won dissapointment
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> I once went into a 7-11, stood in front of the counter, scratched my armpit really rigorously, then asked "Did I win?"
06:02 <kamp> and they won just enouhg money to buy a couple more scratch and wins
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> the girl there was not amused
06:02 <kamp> so they did, and they didn't win
06:02 <kamp> oh well
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> my wife won $1300 from a drawing one time
06:02 <GodTodd> i won a couple hundred with 5 dollars in scratchers once
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> she matched like 3 numbers
06:02 <kamp> neat
06:02 <kamp> my dad's won a couple, like 5 dollars here, 10 there
06:02 <kamp> not bad
06:03 <GodTodd> also won 350$ with 3$ at a casino once
06:03 <kamp> heh
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> I wrote a pascal program to analyze lottery numbers, and she read off all the lottery numbers for all time to me
06:03 <kamp> lucky bastid
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> the first day we finished, she bought that winning lottery ticket.  It was weirder than shit.
06:03 <kamp> why analyze all those numbers?
06:03  * GodTodd should gamble more :/
06:03 <GodTodd> heh
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> looking for patterns
06:04 <kamp> those ping pong bals
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> wanted to see the most recurring groups of numbers, and see how many there were
06:04 <kamp> some sure are heavier :)
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> then we were going to buy up all the tickets
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> but the results of the analysis confirmed that the numbers really are random
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> so we gave up
06:04 <kamp> lol
06:04 <kamp> GodTodd: you should
06:05 <kamp> and split the revenue with me
06:05 <GodTodd> Mega Millions Jackpot For Tonight Now At $370 MILLION
06:05 <GodTodd> (Cash Value: $221.1 Million) 
06:05 <kamp> damn
06:05 <GodTodd> that's from the tx lottery's site
06:05 <kamp> 221.1 mil
06:05 <kamp> that's a lot of swag
06:06 <kamp> florida lotto 3 mil
06:06 <kamp> mega money jackpot 2mil
06:06 <GodTodd> actually...i'd almost be tempted to take the annuity
06:06 <GodTodd> depends on how the tax shit worked out i suppose
06:07 <GodTodd> that'd be 10-15 mil or so a year...i could scrape by on that
06:07 <kamp> oh the difference between getting the huge sum all at once
06:07 <kamp> and getting pieces of it
06:07 <GodTodd> yeah
06:07 <kamp> yea the pieces are definitely a lot better
06:07 <Lucifer_arma> #g 19!
06:07 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 19 ! = 1.216451 * 10^(17)
06:07 <GodTodd> #g 42!
06:07 <armabot> GodTodd: 42 ! = 1.40500612 * 10^(51)
06:07 <kamp> in my case, it'd be like a huge scholly
06:07 <Lucifer_arma> duh
06:08 <kamp> ah
06:08 <kamp> i want money
06:08 <GodTodd> hell...the lotto texas jp is at 48 mil
06:09 <GodTodd> you'd think that the lottery would have more funding in FL with all them old bastards
06:09 <kamp> they do it big in texas
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> #g 2^19
06:09 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 2^19 = 524,288
06:09 <kamp> nah
06:09 <kamp> they're already retired
06:09 <kamp> what do they need lotto fo?
06:09 <GodTodd> bingo on steroids?
06:09 <GodTodd> :D
06:09 <kamp> haha
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> 2n-2
06:09 <kamp> the retirement communities, though, i've honestly never been
06:10 <kamp> i hear some horror stories from around the state
06:10 <kamp> but in miami, they're rare, at least inside it
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> 2n^2-2n
06:10 <GodTodd> give them lotto tickets where they have to punch out chads then watch the carnage after the drawing ;)
06:10 <kamp> and where i'm at now, it's a college town, so not a lot of old people
06:10 <kamp> haha
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> 2n(n-1)
06:10 <kamp> I demand a reco---zzzzz
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> ok, is that it?
06:10 <GodTodd> is what what?
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> the number of games in the regular season is the number of teams times the number of games each team plays?
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> there's n teams
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> each team plays each other twice
06:11 <kamp> that sucks
06:11 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2277493&perpage=40&pagenumber=1#post321269650 yaay my friend used the avtatar i made him ":D
06:11 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: you know, IRC gateways are pretty common; even I have one on dashjr.org
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> so each team plays n-1 games, right?  Times 2, though, so 2(n-1)
06:11 <kamp> if you get more than 250k in prizes
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> then there's n teams, so 2n(n-1)
06:11 <kamp> you need to go all the way to tallahassee to get your money
06:11 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: if guru3 sets the SRV records on armagetronad.net, I can easily host an XMPP server for us, including an IRC gateway
06:12 <luke-jr_> though... that might be a bad idea for me since it could get me banned from stuff
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> banned from stuff?
06:12 <luke-jr_> yeah
06:12 <luke-jr_> like FreeNode, if they join some other channel and violate the terms and such
06:13  * luke-jr_ notes FreeNode was planning for native XMPP access before lilo died
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> can't the gateway be configured to only join a few named channels?
06:13 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: hm, not sure
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> #g 40 * 19
06:13 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 40 * 19 = 760
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> #g 20 * 19
06:14 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 20 * 19 = 380
06:14 <GodTodd> yeah....2n(n-1) sounds right with test numbers
06:15 <kamp> before who died?
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> lilo
06:15 <kamp> who?
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> lilo
06:15 <GodTodd> freenode guy
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> died in a bicycle accident
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> so going with 20 teams, there's about 4 months available to run a season
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> er, wait
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> second week of september -> first week of december
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> how many weeks is that?
06:16 <kamp> damn
06:16 <kamp> i use my bike a lot
06:16 <kamp> i could die
06:17 <GodTodd> 12-13 i think
06:17  * Lucifer_arma decides to look at a calendar
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> this "doing it in my head" bs isn't working :)
06:18 <GodTodd> second week or second full week?
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06:18 <GodTodd> :P
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> 13-14, depending on how far to push into december
06:18 <luke-jr_> hrm
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> I'm trying to avoid that big american holiday at the beginning of september
06:18 <luke-jr_> no real way to ban XMPP users
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> so let's go with 14 and see what that looks like
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> for 20 teams...
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> #g 40*19/14
06:19 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (40 * 19) / 14 = 54.2857143
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> so 54.285 games per week
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> altogether
06:20 <lukey0> ...
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> that's not bad, really.  It's nearly 3 games per team
06:20 <lukey0> if we *do* have our own transport, let's be sure to have it put the FULL IM address for 'real name'
06:20 <GodTodd> 11 games a day with two days of rest would cover that
06:20 <lukey0> so we *can* ban bad idiots
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06:21 <Lucifer_arma> all I can say is the NFL pulls off a similar schedule, and seems to only play one or two games a week per team :)
06:21 <luke-jr_> NFL can pull people away from holidays
06:21 <luke-jr_> :p
06:21 <kamp> nfl doesn't have two games for each people and yea, they play during holidays
06:21 <GodTodd> one per week....rarely (but it does happen) 2 in a 7-10 day period
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> there are two important holidays I'm ignoring in there, but arma players tend to be available to play on those days anyway
06:22 <kamp> nfl... you play two games in division, one game against the rest
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> (canadian thanksgiving and usian thanksgiving)
06:22 <GodTodd> not even the rest
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> aha, thank you kamp
06:22 <GodTodd> they have a 16 game regular season for 31 teams
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think we'll have 20 teams though
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> we had 8 for the spoon, right?
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> so...
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> #g 16*7/14
06:23 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (16 * 7) / 14 = 8
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> 8 games per week
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> haha
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> that's half of 16 :)
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> 7/14 == 1/2 :)
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06:24 <GodTodd> that's a fluke i think
06:25 <GodTodd> because it does the mult then the division
06:25 <kamp> the league you're looking at for inspriation is the english permiership
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> wtf is that?
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> polo?
06:25 <kamp> there, a team plays two games against every other team, then you get 3 pts for a W 1 for a tie, and none for a loss
06:25 <GodTodd> #g 32*7/14
06:25 <kamp> football
06:25 <armabot> GodTodd: (32 * 7) / 14 = 16
06:25 <kamp> the real one
06:25 <GodTodd> hrmm
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> soccer?
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> aka succor?
06:25 <kamp> yep
06:25 <kamp> nope
06:25 <kamp> soccer
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> #dict succor
06:26 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: succor n : assistance in time of difficulty; "the contributions provided some relief for the victims" [syn: {relief}, {succour}, {ministration}] v : help in a difficult situation [syn: {succour}]; gcide: Succor \Suc"cor\, n. [OE. socours, sucurs, OF. sucurs, socors, secors, F. secours, L. succursus, fr. L. succurrere. See {Succor}, v. (5 more messages)
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> I guess that joke as a little too high-brow for this crowd!
06:26 <kamp> but that's by far the easiest kind of league to run
06:26 <GodTodd> #joke
06:26 <armabot> By royal decree, all humor has hereby been expunged from this channel. If you feel you absolutely *have* to be funny please find a channel where people are able to understand jokes.
06:26 <kamp> #kill joke
06:26 <armabot> joke will die on Wed Apr 18 22:44:57 2012 due to being stabbed in the eye by GodTodd.
06:26 <kamp> knew it
06:26 <GodTodd> :D
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: where did your 32 come from?
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> aren't we doing 2n(n-1) ?
06:27 <GodTodd> my head?
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> so 16 teams?
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> #g 32 * 15
06:27 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 32 * 15 = 480
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> #g 32 * 15/14
06:27 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (32 * 15) / 14 = 34.2857143
06:27 <kamp> 480?
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> and it's fine if it groups it first
06:27 <kamp> 480 what?
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> kamp: total games
06:27 <kamp> oh wow
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> NOT total games per team
06:27 <kamp> i was going to say
06:28 <Your_mom_arma> luci http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_Season_%28NFL%29#Formula
06:28 <kamp> why don't you split them in half or something
06:28  * GodTodd agrees tho....you shouldn't look to the nfl for schedule inspiration unless you have divisions
06:28 <kamp> then pit the winners of each
06:28 <kamp> from there split them into upper tier and lower tier
06:28 <kamp> really the european soccer leagues are the easiest possible way
06:29 <Your_mom_arma> i agree with kamp with an ab division
06:29 <kamp> though there are no ties in tron
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> aha
06:29 <GodTodd> is it anything like world cup scheduling?
06:29 <Your_mom_arma> mabey even split divisions by timezones
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> we won't have divisions more than likely
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> well, the issue for divisions is number of teams
06:29 <kamp> GodTodd: only the group stage
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> if we get a spoon-sized league, then it might make sense to have two divisions
06:30 <kamp> think of it as one massive group
06:30 <Your_mom_arma> i would estimate less then 10 teams either way
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> less than 10 games per team?
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> or 10 games total?
06:30 <kamp> if you have 16 teams
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06:30 <kamp> make it like the world cup
06:30 <kamp> separate into four groups of four, have they play it out
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> isn't the world cup a knockout tournament?
06:31 <GodTodd> only after the group stage
06:31 <kamp> then you get four teams advance to one-off knockout rounds
06:31 <kamp> you even get a cool "Final Four" thing going on
06:31 <luke-jr_> ok
06:31 <luke-jr_> I hereby ban use of the word fluke
06:31 <luke-jr_> ok, thx
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> I was wanting to run more or less the same way the spoon ran, only with better organization :)
06:31 <Your_mom_arma> 10 teams with 9 or 18 games per team or less
06:31 <kamp> or bring the top two from each division, and have a round of eight, round of four, and that's that
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> fluke fluke flke
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> fluke
06:32 <kamp> the first decision you need to make, though, is how many teams will be in the league
06:32 <kamp> under 20 is manageable
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> 200
06:32 <kamp> ok
06:32 <Your_mom_arma> haha
06:32 <kamp> good luck with that
06:32 <GodTodd> luke-jr_:): what's wrong with the word fluke?
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think that's a decision I can just make
06:32 <kamp> i'll see you with a winning lottery ticket
06:32 <kamp> it is
06:32 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: it sets off my highlight
06:32 <kamp> just put a cap on it
06:32 <GodTodd> ahhh
06:32 <GodTodd> fluke
06:33 <GodTodd> fluke
06:33 <GodTodd> fluke
06:33 <GodTodd> fluke
06:33 <GodTodd> fluke
06:33 <GodTodd> fluke
06:33 <GodTodd> fluke
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> aha, but that won't decide how many there will actually be
06:33 <GodTodd> fluke
06:33 <luke-jr_> stfu
06:33 <GodTodd> fluke
06:33 <GodTodd> fluke
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> hi fluke-jr_
06:33 <GodTodd> fluke
06:33 <GodTodd> :D
06:33 <luke-jr_> or I'll need to exercise my power of regexp!@
06:33 <kamp> well
06:33 <kamp> find out how many teams want to join
06:33 <kamp> and then come out with an easily manageable number that's under the number of teams that want to join
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> what I think I need to do is determine the structure and pick one that looks good for 5-20 teams, if possible
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> and then work from there
06:33 <kamp> then say it's first come-first serve and viola, you've got it
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06:34 <Lucifer_arma> *voila
06:34 <kamp> i know
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> (at least you didn't do spidey's dumbass "walla")
06:34 <kamp> lol
06:34 <kamp> <-- speaks french fluently
06:34 <kamp> walla
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> kamp, how many teams do you think are going to sign up for this league?
06:34 <kamp> not bad
06:34 <kamp> how many show up for the spoon?
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> 8 signed up, 7 played
06:34 <kamp> heh
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> and the thing didn't finish
06:34 <kamp> then 10 tops
06:35 <kamp> and some dropouts along the course of the season
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> right
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06:35 <Lucifer_arma> so it might be worthwhile to setup playoffs based on 8 teams
06:35 <kamp> yea
06:35 <kamp> here
06:35 <Durka> hey luci :P
06:35 <Your_mom_arma> Lucifer_arma: are you going to set a max/min players per team in roster and in game
06:35 <kamp> set up an 8 team league
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> then figure 3 points for a season win, 1 for a loss, or something like that
06:35  * Durka volunteered o_O
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: I'd like to.  :)  5 max ingame, 10 max on the roster
06:35 <kamp> you don't get pts for a loss
06:35 <kamp> no sense in that
06:36 <kamp> make an 8 team league
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> well, we don't have ties, so we could just do 1 point for a win and 0 points for a loss
06:36 <kamp> play a round-robin league for seeding
06:36 <kamp> and then proceed to a playoof of 8
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> then sort by points for the playoffs, top 8 ranked teams go to the playoffs
06:36 <kamp> playoff*
06:36 <kamp> yea
06:36 <Durka> Lucifer_arma: 1 game a week is a huge commitment o_O
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> playoffs are outside the 14-week window
06:37 <kamp> well luci, instead a points system, just use the overall record of the team
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> for a league?  no way!
06:37 <Your_mom_arma> months are four weeks
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> my son, who is only SIX, plays 1 game a week MINIMUM, with 2 practices
06:37 <kamp> it's just 13 weeks if you have 8 teams
06:38 <kamp> a game a week for each team, they have to play 7 other teams, so that 7 weeks and you wrap up league play
06:38 <kamp> seed them and start the playoffs, unless you want to stretch it out, they won't take more than 4 weeks
06:38 <kamp> and you've crowned a champ
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> er, you've missed a beat somewhere kamp
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> #g 16*7
06:39 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 16 * 7 = 112
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> 112 total games in the league play
06:39 <kamp> yea
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> it would be two games per week per team with no breaks to meet your schedule
06:39 <kamp> more than one game plays out a week, right?
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> of the total, yes
06:39 <kamp> nah
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> so figure the first week, at least 8 of the 112 ames will play
06:39 <kamp> you have teams 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
06:40 <kamp> 1 plays 2
06:40 <kamp> 1 play 3
06:40 <kamp> so on
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> 1 plays 2 again
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> 1 plays 3 again
06:40 <kamp> ohh, double games?
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> yes
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> to deal with the ping problem
06:40 <kamp> ah, well
06:40 <Your_mom_arma> away/home games
06:40 <kamp> there you go
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> so each team declares a home server
06:40 <kamp> oh ok
06:41 <kamp> do they also want home/away legs for the playoffs?
06:41 <hang3r> Whats this a new ladder/league?
06:41 <GodTodd> well now, see...it's this concept of 'fairness' that's screwing you ;)
06:41 <kamp> because then you're looking at a 26 week thing
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> and, since the total count of players you can put on the roster will be quite a bit higher than the total you can put in game, I hope to encourage teams not to restrict themselves
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> so you could have a european wing of your team, essentially
06:41 <kamp> GodTodd: that fairness thing...
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> haven't got to working out the playoffs yet, heh :)
06:41 <kamp> yea
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> still trying to size up the seed rounds :)
06:42 <kamp> well then yea, you have a 14-week league before the playoffs
06:42 <kamp> that's not bad
06:42 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
06:42 <armabot> pong
06:42 <kamp> the playoffs would make it run rather long
06:42 <kamp> no need to give all 8 teams a shot, though, just make it the top 4
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> playoffs will be ladle-style, hopefully
06:43 <kamp> there should be some penalty for not making it through the league round, after all
06:43 <Your_mom_arma> can anyone respond/see this?
06:43 <kamp> yep, mom
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> I saw it, Your_mom_arma (hi there!) 
06:43 <GodTodd> mom? are you there?
06:43 <GodTodd> :D
06:43 <hang3r> #pung
06:44 <kamp> the league play is pretty simple if you just make it double games like that, and do seeding based on records
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> hang3r: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=14091
06:44 <kamp> then have ties resolved by head to head results
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> right
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> the two teams that both got 16 points play each other for the top slot
06:44 <kamp> in the case of ties, though, and in the playoffs, you likely need something to make sure there are no further ties
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> the game doesn't allow ties, so the playoffs should be fairly straightforward
06:45 <kamp> not that
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> best 2 out of 3, maybe have the championship best 4 of 7
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06:45 <kamp> in the case of a tie, you'd look at the head to head results for the season
06:45 <kamp> but say they split their games
06:45 <Your_mom_arm1> #ping
06:45 <armabot> pong
06:45 <kamp> then you look at the scores
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> aha, I get you
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> so not a new game, just look at the games that were played
06:45 <hang3r> Lucifer_arma, I remember the last one we were in, I ended up dropping out (RL shit was going on)... But I actually don't go much for fortress, I'd rather see a team based normal game ladder
06:45 <kamp> in that case you should make points scored at the away server worth 1.25 or 1.5
06:46 <kamp> yea
06:46 <kamp> no need to add in extra games
06:46 <kamp> you can use the same system in the playoffs
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06:47 <GodTodd> playoffs should be designed to not need tiebreakers
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06:47 <Lucifer_arma> playoffs I kinda want to do nearly like the ladle.  I want single elimination, regular knockout thing
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> so you only play one game each time, and you're out as soon as you lose
06:47 <kamp> but then the home/away thing comes up again
06:47 <GodTodd> there you could reward the top teams with choice of home server
06:47 <kamp> true
06:47 <GodTodd> like home field in the nfl
06:47 <kamp> yea
06:47 <kamp> that makes sense
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> theoretically at the level where the home/away thing matters for fairness in the playoffs, the teams are of such quality that it doesn't matter
06:48 <GodTodd> the better you do in the reg season the better chance you have in the playoffs
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06:48 <GodTodd> true...but i'd give the reward anyway
06:48 <GodTodd> :D
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> it looks like kamp's volunteered to help :)
06:48 <kamp> sure man, i don't mind
06:48 <kamp> organizing is easy
06:48 <kamp> implementing is hard
06:49 <kamp> but yea dude, 8 team league is the most sensical
06:49 <kamp> of course, you can always apply it to less teams
06:49 <GodTodd> probably most likely too
06:49 <kamp> yea
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> we can probably stick with an 8 team schedule even up to 10 teams, I suspect
06:51 <Durka> xD
06:51  * GodTodd is using all of his football schedule knowledge :D
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> i.e. we don't need to add on 2 more weeks to do it
06:51 <kamp> they'll have to play a double week somewhere along the line
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> we could just have them not play all teams, the seeding for the playoffs will still be good
06:51 <kamp> or that
06:51 <Durka> http://durka.freehostia.com/tst3.php#brackets
06:51 <Durka> look at the brackets, atm _____ & ______ are the favorites xD
06:51 <kamp> you can always split them off into groups
06:52 <kamp> when you get 10 teams, split them in groups of five, have them play round robin, and get the top two from each group
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> yeah durka, that's what we're looking at for the playoffs :)
06:52 <Durka> :P
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> kamp: I'd have to see what the 10 teams were before doing that, I think
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> if it were 5 US and 5 american teams, I'd happily do that
06:52 <GodTodd> too bad it's not going to be more teams....you could get pretty lively with a thing like the little league world series
06:53 <kamp> haha
06:53 <kamp> 5 US and 5american, huh?
06:53 <Durka> theres only 1 mainly us players fort team
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> that way games within their divisions are pretty fair, and we can work out how to handle the playoffs when they meet each other
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, exactly, haha
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: the rest are european?
06:53 <Durka> ya
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> or the rest are pretty mixed?
06:53 <Durka> no
06:53 <kamp> well
06:53 <Durka> tf, ss, tm, ct, oops, |x|, sp
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> just try to keep in mind that people came out of the woodwork for spoon, and a lot of them went back into the woodwork, ironically
06:54 <kamp> you can ask a team to register as american or european before the league starts
06:54 <kamp> and see if some splitting is viable
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> kamp: I want the teams to self-organize.  I'd like the league to make sense no matter how the players organize
06:54 <Durka> lobster mafia! <3vc3c.,<...,,,3,
06:54 <GodTodd> ask? demand it, man :)
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> I felt the TWC splitting up of players was extremely unnatural.
06:54 <kamp> >-;;,ccc3
06:54 <Durka> xD
06:54 <DrJoeTron> >-;;,ccc3
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> it forced the american team to be a bunch of people who hated each other
06:55 <kamp> heh
06:55 <kamp> well yea
06:55 <kamp> anyway
06:55 <Durka> ?
06:55 <Durka> heh i didnt play in it
06:55 <kamp> it's a possibility
06:55 <GodTodd> just have each team list the region of each player
06:55 <Durka> heh
06:55 <Durka> http://lod.bigreddesign.co.uk/twc/teams
06:55 <Durka> but i liked the signup form
06:55 <Durka> http://lod.bigreddesign.co.uk/twc/signup
06:56 <GodTodd> don't force them together...just see who *is* together
06:56 <Durka> but ppl could signup fake players and spam that thing
06:56 <kamp> GodTodd: that's too much work to go through the team's players
06:56 <kamp> imo
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: exactly what I'm saying :)
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> kamp: not really, we have to verify the rosters anyway
06:56 <kamp> ah
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> I don't want many rules, but Id kinda like the ones we do have strictly enforced :)
06:56 <kamp> true
06:57 <kamp> as for the logistics of the games themselves
06:57 <kamp> figure anything about that?
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> hey Durka (hi there!): are the WW servers yours, by any chance?
06:57 <kamp> like, how long before a team is forfeited
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> kamp: sure.  I guess you didn't read my post, eh?  :)
06:57 <kamp> nope
06:57 <kamp> i just jumped in the discussion here
06:57 <Durka> not exactly
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> game times will be set in stone when scheduled :)
06:57 <Durka> i admin them though
06:57 <Durka> ask manta to set u up one
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: who's are they?  
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> ahh, manta
06:58 <GodTodd> you have to have some sort of leeway tho
06:58 <Durka> °°Manta
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: no we don't :)
06:58 <Durka> °o°
06:58 <GodTodd> so...if a team is 1 minute late, they forfeit?
06:58 <kamp> yea
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> I figure we'll give teams an opportunity to try to self-organize a makeup if they want, and give a deadline for that, under special circumstances
06:58 <kamp> i was going to say
06:58 <kamp> you need some leeway
06:58 <kamp> fifteen minutes should be more than enough time
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> leeway will be reasonable, heh.  I thought you guys were talking like 2 hours leeway or something
06:59 <kamp> nahhh
06:59 <GodTodd> no
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> we're not going to say "Play your game between 6pm and 12am" or anything like that
06:59 <GodTodd> i was thinking 15-30 mins tops
06:59 <GodTodd> :)
06:59 <kamp> that too, is there officiating going on... sportsmanship, ticky tack things like that?
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> we say "Game starts at 7pm, 7:30pm is forfeit"
06:59 <GodTodd> to allow for stragglers
06:59 <kamp> no fouls in tron, really
06:59 <GodTodd> that's what i was thinking, Lucifer_arma 
06:59 <GodTodd> :)
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> no officiating, but a game doesn't count if there's no recording associated with it
06:59 <kamp> ah
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> I'd like to get the recording done at the server level, if possible
07:00 <GodTodd> ok...so there is a check :)
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, logistically, I would like to have an alternate set of servers that report to a different master server
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> (this was joe's idea, cctually, and a good one!)
07:00 <GodTodd> yeah...joe gets those once in a while
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> team captains would have ingame admin on those servers
07:00 <kamp> if the server does the recording, then an organizer (you) can watch the game for really bad assholishness, and suspend that player for a game or two
07:00 <GodTodd> musta been the eclipse ;)
07:01 <kamp> Lucifer_arma: that is a good idea
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> kamp: the recordings and logs also provide us a way to reasonably sanity check the players playing
07:01 <kamp> GodTodd: there was an eclipse?
07:01 <GodTodd> yeah...lunar
07:01 <kamp> neat
07:01 <GodTodd> sunday night i guess
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> last-minute recruiting won't be allowed, you have to use only whoever is on your roster
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> roster changes have to be cleared with the league (that's us!)
07:01 <kamp> err
07:02 <GodTodd> ok...that was my next question
07:02 <kamp> you mentioned makeups earlier
07:02 <kamp> where would those come from?
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> makeup games?
07:02 <kamp> ahh, i thought you meant makeup players
07:02 <kamp> so strictly roster players
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> it's an idea I'm toying with.  If a team fails to make it but has a really good reason, we might grant makeup games if the other team agrees, that sort of thing.
07:02 <GodTodd> you should have a list of a few alternates (in case of *gasp* RL issues)
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I'm not saying rosters can't be changed mid-season, but changes have to be cleared with the league
07:03 <kamp> GodTodd: no.
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: the teams will be limited to say 5 players in a game, but the roster will allow up to 10 or so.
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> maybe 8, who knows?
07:03 <kamp> real life should never get in the way of an amateur league game for an open source game that not many people play
07:03 <kamp> never
07:03 <GodTodd> that's what i'm saying, there :)
07:03 <Durka> anyone know something about macs
07:03 <GodTodd> they suck?
07:03 <Durka> whats better: MacPorts or Fink
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, good for diving?
07:03 <kamp> bernie mac is pretty funny, i don't know about the rest of the macs
07:04 <Durka> neither! luci sux ftw1
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> macs make good bases for tee ball
07:04 <Durka> hi5 luci
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> #rules
07:04 <armabot> A web variant of the english language in which letters are replaced with numbers and/or symbols that approximate letters. Though its use is considered cool in certain gaming or hacking communities, it's use here is frowned upon except in a strictly satirical sense. Talking like this was cool when you were 8 and used AOL. Figure it out.
07:04 <kamp> where is your post, luci?
07:04 <GodTodd> LWLZ!!1111!!!!11!
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> heh
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> [23:44] <Lucifer_arma> hang3r: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=14091
07:05 <hang3r> Lucifer_arma, I remember the last one we were in, I ended up dropping out (RL shit was going on)... But I actually don't go much for fortress, I'd rather see a team based normal game ladder
07:05  * GodTodd wonders why he never ripped his cds before :/
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> haha
07:06 <kamp> GodTodd: because it's boring and tedious and repetitive?
07:07 <GodTodd> yeah...but it makes them available for my mp3 player
07:08 <kamp> forget that
07:08 <kamp> i'm trying to get all the music off my hard drive and on to cds actually
07:08 <DrJoeTron> haha
07:08  * Durka wants his hi5
07:08 <DrJoeTron> im glad the rules thing is there still
07:08 <kamp> so i can use my boombox
07:08 <DrJoeTron> i copied that directly from SA :o
07:08 <kamp> agh
07:08 <kamp> we need another rule
07:08 <kamp> excessive reference to SomethingAwful.com is just stupid
07:09 <spidey> hey
07:09 <spidey> my walla is not a dumbass!
07:10 -!- Your_mom_arma [n=Your_mom@pool-70-106-109-152.pskn.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)]
07:10  * Durka is computer illiterate
07:10 <Durka>  % ruby install.rb
07:10 <Durka> wtf is that ^^^
07:10 <kamp> looks like an install
07:10 <spidey> ...
07:10 <kamp> using ruby
07:10 <Durka> i know that ...
07:10 <spidey> a install?
07:11 <kamp> but that's just a guess
07:11  * Durka trying to install rake
07:11 <kamp> hehehehe
07:11 <kamp> what for, autumn passed
07:11  * Durka doesn't know wtf to do
07:11  * kamp thinks durka doth protest too much, and especially to the wrong people
07:11 <kamp> what the hell is rake?
07:11 <Durka> -bash: fg: %: no such job
07:12 <Durka> o_O
07:12 <kamp> ...
07:12  * Durka lost
07:12 <kamp> why don't you google it
07:12 <Durka> heh
07:12 <Durka> #g -bash: fg: %: no such job
07:12 <armabot> Durka: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
07:12 <Durka> #g % ruby
07:12 <kamp> arg
07:12 <armabot> Durka: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
07:12 <kamp> #g rake
07:12 <Durka> #kill armabot 
07:12 <armabot> kamp: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
07:12 <armabot> armabot will die on Mon May  5 03:09:46 1986 due to being stabbed in the eye by guru3.
07:13 <kamp> #google rake
07:13 <armabot> kamp: Search took 0.19 seconds: The Rake :: <http://www.rakemag.com/>; Rake -- Ruby Make: <http://rake.rubyforge.org/>; Using the Rake Build Language: <http://www.martinfowler.com/articles/rake.html>; Rake - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rake>; Rake Documentation: <http://docs.rubyrake.org/>; RubyForge: Rake : Project Info: (1 more message)
07:13 <Durka> #google -bash: fg: %: no such job
07:13 <armabot> Durka: (google <search> [--{language,restrict} <value>] [--{notsafe,similar}]) -- Searches google.com for the given string. As many results as can fit are included. --language accepts a language abbreviation; --restrict restricts the results to certain classes of things; --similar tells Google not to filter similar results. --notsafe allows possibly work-unsafe results.
07:13 <kamp> there you go
07:13 <Durka> #google bash: fg: %: no such job
07:13 <armabot> Durka: Search took 0.19 seconds: lab1b [CS111]: <http://www.read.cs.ucla.edu/111/lab1b>; Mailing list archives: <http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/xmlgraphics-batik-users/200612.mbox/%3C457DA5F8.7070808@oma.be%3E>; Mailing list archives: <http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/xmlgraphics-batik-users/200612.mbox/%3C7796358.post@talk.nabble.com%3E>; sbooth.org :: View topic - (3 more messages)
07:13 <kamp> rake.rubyforge.org
07:13 <Durka> i looked
07:13 <Durka> it says 
07:13 <kamp> i've decided everything you need to know is right there
07:13 <Durka> You can install rake with the following command.
07:13 <Durka>   % ruby install.rb
07:13 <Durka> from its distribution directory.
07:13 <kamp> try going to #rake
07:13 <kamp> if there is one
07:13 <Durka> not on freenoob
07:14 <DrJoeTron> freenoob?
07:14 <kamp> then lemme alone
07:14 <DrJoeTron> damn man
07:14 <Durka> #armagetron @ irc.freenoob.net
07:14 <DrJoeTron> EDGY AS FUCKKKK
07:14 <kamp> :)
07:14 <DrJoeTron> :D
07:14 <Durka> u can talk wit noobs for free
07:14 <Durka> its tighyyyt
07:15 <kamp> #kill durka and joe
07:15 <armabot> durka and joe will die on Tue Oct 21 15:57:46 1980 due to being stabbed in the eye by Durka.
07:15 <kamp> ouch
07:15 -!- spidey is now known as Dorka
07:15 <kamp> homicide/suicide
07:15 <Dorka> ;D
07:15 <kamp> haha
07:15 <Durka> lmao
07:15 <Dorka> registered to :>
07:16 <Durka> lol
07:16 <kamp> #whoami
07:16 <armabot> kamp: I don't recognize you.
07:16 <kamp> :(
07:16 <Durka> #whoami
07:16 <armabot> Durka: I don't recognize you.
07:16 <Durka> heh
07:16 <kamp> #whoami
07:16 <GodTodd> #whoami
07:16 <armabot> kamp: kamp
07:16 <armabot> GodTodd: I don't recognize you.
07:16 <Dorka> #whoami
07:16 <armabot> Dorka: spidey
07:16 <Dorka> :D
07:16 <kamp> hah
07:16 <kamp> ok
07:16 <kamp> anyway
07:17 <GodTodd> #whoami
07:17 <armabot> GodTodd: GodTodd
07:17 <kamp> Lucifer_arma: count me in as far as organizing goes, i can't really help with the rest
07:17 <kamp> and good night y'all
07:17 <GodTodd> cya kamp
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> 'night kamp
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> but kamp
07:17 -!- kamp is now known as kamp|sleeping
07:17 <Dorka> sweet nightmares!
07:17 <Dorka> :D
07:17 <kamp|sleeping> what
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> most of the work to organize it is probably going to be done here :)
07:17 <kamp|sleeping> right now?
07:17 <kamp|sleeping> i have a test tomorrow at 1
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> not right this minute, no
07:17 <kamp|sleeping> well
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> just....here.  Not on the forums.
07:18 <kamp|sleeping> kk
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> you know, because it's interactive :)
07:18 <kamp|sleeping> just use the forums and keep updates there
07:18 <kamp|sleeping> and don't use the wiki
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> and yes, if there's only 3 teams, I still want to run the league :)
07:18 <kamp|sleeping> that's too complicated
07:18 <kamp|sleeping> 3 teams will be easy
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> sorry, we'll use the wiki at some point
07:18 <kamp|sleeping> pick one out of a hat
07:18 <kamp|sleeping> and you have a champ
07:18 <Your_mom_arm1> how is the wiki too complicated?
07:18 <kamp|sleeping> it just is
07:18 <kamp|sleeping> here
07:18 <kamp|sleeping> 3 teams
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> it's more complicated than "left" and "right"
07:19 <kamp|sleeping> play 7 games against each other
07:19 <kamp|sleeping> there'll be a winner in each series
07:19 <kamp|sleeping> and whoever wins two series, wins it all
07:19 <kamp|sleeping> if no one does
07:19 <kamp|sleeping> you call them all mediocre
07:20  * Dorka calls kamp|sleeping mediocre
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> it would be neat if lack's KOTG determines a canonical King, then we can send our champion against their king and call it the World Series :)
07:20 <kamp|sleeping> what kotg?
07:20 <Dorka> haha
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> unless it's the same team
07:21 <Dorka> Lucifer_arma, Your_mom_arm1 luke-jr_ civ!?
07:21 <Dorka> :D
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> damn civ freak
07:21 <Durka> heh i have civ
07:21 <Your_mom_arm1> mabey
07:21 <kamp|sleeping> what's the name of the league anyway?
07:21 <Dorka> no durkas allowed
07:21 <Dorka> :D
07:21 <kamp|sleeping> needs a catchy name
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> kamp|sleeping: dont' know yet
07:21 <kamp|sleeping> and a sponsor
07:21 <kamp|sleeping> prize: t-shirt
07:21 <kamp|sleeping> makes sense to me
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> I was just thinking something simple or silly.  Simple would be like Armagetron Advanced Fortress League
07:21 <Dorka> Lucifer_arma, not a civ freak, i'm just mellow right now and fps move faster than i can xD
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> AAFL
07:22 <kamp|sleeping> not bad
07:22 <Dorka> aafl?
07:22 <Your_mom_arm1> #google aafl
07:22 <armabot> Your_mom_arm1: Search took 0.16 seconds: All American Football League: <http://www.allamericanfootballleague.com/>; All American Football League ( AAFL ) Outdoor Football on OurSports ...: <http://www.oursportscentral.com/sports/?l_id=131>; AAFL - OurSports Central Independent and Minor League Sports Forums: <http://www.oursportscentral.com/boards/forumdisplay.php?f=99>; Australian Alpaca (2 more messages)
07:22 <kamp|sleeping> rings of arena football, but not bad
07:22 <kamp|sleeping> hah
07:22 <Dorka> lol
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> #cyborg AAFL
07:22 <Durka> wheres nemo when u need him
07:22 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: A.A.F.L.: Artificial Accurate Fighting Lifeform
07:22 <kamp|sleeping> #google ATFL
07:22 <armabot> kamp|sleeping: Search took 0.13 seconds: The American Task Force for Lebanon: <http://www.atfl.org/>; Anterior Talofibular Ligament - Wheeless' Textbook of Orthopaedics: <http://www.wheelessonline.com/ortho/anterior_talofibular_ligament>; eMedicine - Talofibular Ligament Injury : Article by Michael Taylor: <http://www.emedicine.com/sports/topic126.htm>; Kyle Palmer, M.D. - The Ankle - (2 more messages)
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> it's ok to have some collision with an acronym
07:22 <kamp|sleeping> we can take that one
07:23 <kamp|sleeping> ArmageTron Fortress League
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> as long as the meaning of the acronym is clear
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> I'd rather stress "arma" over "tron"
07:23 <kamp|sleeping> and yet
07:23 <kamp|sleeping> tron is what most people would recognize right away
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> yep
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> call me crazy
07:23 <kamp|sleeping> eitherway, the advanced, you can do away with without a second thought
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> yep, reducing my own name to AFL
07:24 <kamp|sleeping> and that is the arena football league
07:24 <Your_mom_arm1> like that band?
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> we could just do MLA
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> Major League Armagetron :)
07:24 <kamp|sleeping> if you had a registration fee
07:24 <Your_mom_arm1> im getting lost in acronyms now
07:24 <kamp|sleeping> then we could pony up and get the winner those tron sneakers
07:24 <kamp|sleeping> that adidas made
07:24 <kamp|sleeping> MLA...
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> registration fee for the fall season and all thereafter, but I want to run a test season in July
07:24 <Durka> AAA
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> that will be free for all
07:25 <Durka> AAAA
07:25 <Your_mom_arm1> i'ld wear those sneakers if i was still five
07:25 <Durka> American Armagetron Advanced Association of America
07:25 <Durka> AAAAA
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> a silly name would be something like AFA, Armagetron Fortress Anonymous
07:25 <kamp|sleeping> yea
07:25 <Durka> AAAAA ftw!
07:25 <kamp|sleeping> it doesn't need to be a league sounding name
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> or we could let Durka come up with a jingoist name that'll guarantee we only have 6 players
07:25 <Your_mom_arm1> afk armagetron fortress king
07:25 <Durka> xD
07:26 <kamp|sleeping> there's always Armagetron Fortress Championship
07:26 <Durka> thats like korg
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> haha, I like that one, mom
07:26 <kamp|sleeping> AFC
07:26 <Durka> LJSSB
07:26 <kamp|sleeping> oh no
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> World Tron Fortress
07:26 <Durka> luke jr server suck balls
07:26 <kamp|sleeping> heh
07:26 <Your_mom_arm1> haha
07:26 <kamp|sleeping> nice, but it doesn't make any sense
07:26 <Durka> =/
07:27 <Your_mom_arm1> i like the wtf name
07:27 <kamp|sleeping> you can do the spanish thing
07:27 <GodTodd> AKFC -> Armagetron King of Fortress Championship
07:27 <kamp|sleeping> and call it La Liga
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> hahahaha
07:27 <kamp|sleeping> all self important
07:27 <kamp|sleeping> King f Fortress
07:27 <kamp|sleeping> we should get snazzy japanime images to go with it too
07:28 <Your_mom_arm1> haha
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> joe's mspaint isn't good enough for you?
07:28 <kamp|sleeping> nope
07:28 <GodTodd> mspaint!
07:28 <Durka> KFC
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> a good trophy would be a t-shirt with one of joe's mspaint masterpieces commemorating the event
07:28 <Durka> Kentucky Fried Chicken/King of Fortress Championship
07:28  * GodTodd watches durka catch up...
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: What state is KFC from?
07:28 <Durka> DDMJ - dØrka dØrka muhammad jihad
07:29 <Your_mom_arm1> durka you missed that idea pgup
07:29 <Durka> idk fuck like alaska or some shit
07:29  * Lucifer_arma really hopes durka's joking
07:29  * GodTodd does too
07:29 <Durka> xD
07:29 <Durka> if i can dig 1 hole in 2 hours
07:30 <Durka> how many holes can i dig in 1 hour?
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> one
07:30 <Dorka> lol
07:30 <Durka> awww
07:30 <GodTodd> just not as deep
07:30 <Durka> u ruined itz0rz
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> you don't know who you're dealing with!
07:30  * Durka wonders if half holes exist...
07:30 <Durka> if a = 1
07:30 <GodTodd> if i can dig 1 hole in 2 hours
07:30 <Durka> b = 2
07:30 <kamp|sleeping> off
07:30 <kamp|sleeping> pff
07:30 <Durka> c = 3
07:30 <Durka> d = 4
07:31 <Durka> what does e =
07:31 <GodTodd> how many can i dig in one hour if i'm unionized?
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> mc^2
07:31 <kamp|sleeping> i dunno
07:31 <Durka> fuck u luzi
07:31 <Durka> luci *
07:31 <kamp|sleeping> but you're an asshole
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> hahahaha
07:31 <Durka> :P
07:31 <kamp|sleeping> argh
07:31 <kamp|sleeping> sleep
07:31 <kamp|sleeping> i'm out
07:31 <Durka> grrr
07:31 <Your_mom_arm1> i=mr^2
07:31 <kamp|sleeping> #roulette
07:31 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
07:31  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
07:31 <Durka> lol
07:31 <Durka> #knockout kamp|sleeping 
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07:32 <kamp|sleeping> hi z-man
07:32 <Durka> Your_mom_arm1 is so fat <insert lame joke here>
07:32 <Durka> hi z-man 
07:32 <GodTodd> mom is buff
07:32 <Dorka> hi durka
07:32 <Durka> o_O
07:32 -!- Durka is now known as Spadey
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> hi z-man
07:32 <Spadey> =/
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> spadey, heh
07:33 <GodTodd> durka is spayed?
07:33 -!- Spadey is now known as Locifer_arma
07:33 <GodTodd> bout damn time
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> little twerp can't even spell his own name right
07:33 <Locifer_arma> =/
07:33 -!- Locifer_arma is now known as GidTidd
07:33 <Dorka> lol
07:33 -!- GidTidd is now known as GoodTit
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> I once had a teacher in school who took 5 points off a kid's grade on a spelling test for misspelling his own name
07:33 <Dorka> O.o
07:34  * GodTodd waits for the "and that kid was me"
07:34 <GodTodd> ;)
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> and that kid was GodTodd (hi there!) 
07:34 -!- GoodTit is now known as tfnrpltrw
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07:34 <tfnrpltrw> o_O
07:34 <Dorka> :O
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07:34 <Dorka> LOL
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07:34 <tfnrpltrw> figgit
07:35 <Your_mom_arm1> dont learn your lesson well?
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07:35 <Locfer_mom_arma2> heh
07:35 <Dorka> :O
07:35 <Locfer_mom_arma2> oh noes
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07:35 <Dorka> ...
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07:36 <meh> =/
07:36 <meh> my mom kicked me :(
07:36 <meh> well your mom actually
07:36 <Dorka> adopted*
07:36 <meh> well, Your_mom_arm1 to be exact
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> if my mom had kicked you, you wouldn't have been able to get back up
07:36 <Dorka> lol
07:37 <meh> heh
07:38 <DrJoeTron> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXxLbLvCRrk lips 2 da floor
07:38 <hang3r> Why give retards the chanserv password?
07:38 <Dorka> ?
07:39  * GodTodd is a retard and doesn't have the pwd :P
07:39  * Dorka agrees
07:40 <DrJoeTron> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc9y5ayeeb4 i should've learned this in class 
07:40 <GodTodd> joe, you watch too much youtube
07:40 <GodTodd> heh
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> between SA and youtube, one has to wonder what joe actually has time for
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> hey DrJoeTron (hi there!) , you want to give a cartoon on a t-shirt to the champion?
07:41 <GodTodd> mspaint
07:41 <Dorka> haha\
07:41 <DrJoeTron> YES
07:41 <DrJoeTron> HOLY FUCK YES
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> er, it ws a serious question :)
07:41 <DrJoeTron> it better fucking be
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> the only real question is if we can collect enough in fees to pay for t-shirts for everyone on the winning team and ship them, potentially (and likely) overseas
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> on a related note, joe, would you be willing to do artwork for a line of merchandise to support the league?
07:42 <meh> lol joe :P
07:42 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
07:42 <DrJoeTron> merchandise?
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.cafepress.com/
07:43 <DrJoeTron> like armagetron pogs?
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> coffee mugs, mouse pads, etc
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> league-specific
07:43 <DrJoeTron> you're fucking shitting me
07:43 <GodTodd> heh...was just going to ask if you were going to cafepress it
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> they should all have the league logo on there somewhere
07:43 <DrJoeTron> yeah i could do it
07:43  * Lucifer_arma wants to see a cartoon of himself taking a shit, and DrJoeTron coming out
07:43 <Dorka> O.o
07:44 <DrJoeTron> why cafepress?
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> got a better place?
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> cafepress does all the real work for us
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> we just need to provide the artwork :)
07:44 <DrJoeTron> ok
07:44 <DrJoeTron> just gotta make sure its CMYK right?
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> thought they took any sort of png, but check their guidelines
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> so, what are we going to name this thing, anyway?
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> I like mom's afk suggestion, but I don't like using "King", since there's already kings of the grid :(
07:45 <DrJoeTron> I GOT IT
07:45 <GodTodd> ATMLL
07:45 <DrJoeTron> since im doing the mspaint
07:45 <DrJoeTron> KING O FTRON
07:45 <GodTodd> Armagetron Took My Life League
07:46 <DrJoeTron> is it ok if i make them look as stupid as possible?
07:46 <DrJoeTron> like missing teeth smiles and stuff
07:46 <DrJoeTron> and put some actual work to it
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> well, it has to be stuff people would actually want to *buy*
07:46 <DrJoeTron> i;d buy it
07:47 <GodTodd> spoken like the artist
07:47 <GodTodd> :D
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> would someone besides you or your mother buy it?
07:47 <Dorka> haha\
07:47 <DrJoeTron> my friend is looking up a  place that does screen printing
07:47 <GodTodd> i'd buy my novel too...but not many would, i'd wager :P
07:47 <DrJoeTron> type of tshirt
07:47 <DrJoeTron> 50/50 blend
07:47 <DrJoeTron> or 100% cotton
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> if there's money to do it, we can have higher-quality t-shirts printed for the champs compared to what's available for regular people
07:48 <GodTodd> the kind that falls apart in the washer
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, it's cheaper when you get it done right, without iron-ons
07:48 <DrJoeTron> well i mean
07:48 <DrJoeTron> cafepress is a bit over priced
07:48 <DrJoeTron> for the stuff they do
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> depends on how you look at it
07:48 <DrJoeTron> yeah true
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> is there going to be enough volume to warrant shipping out of our own homes?  Getting a special bank account to handle the credit card transactions?
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> the base price on those items buys an awful lot of automation
07:49 <DrJoeTron> so
07:49 <DrJoeTron> is mspaint ok?
07:49 <DrJoeTron> or do you want me to do actual shit
07:49 <DrJoeTron> i think mspaint would make it awesome
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> why would I be asking you to do it if mspaint wasn't ok?
07:50 <DrJoeTron> hey just making sure
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> :)
07:50 <DrJoeTron> i'll be sure to use all of my software
07:52 <DrJoeTron> can you give me how big these things need to be?
07:52 <DrJoeTron> in terms of reslotion, colors, etc
07:52 <DrJoeTron> thats important info :o
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07:53 <DrBlowTron> :o
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07:54 <Durka> -.-
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> the info is on cafepress's website, I'll try to dig it up real quick
07:55 <DrJoeTron> im sure cafepress doesnt care
07:55 <DrJoeTron> but yi do
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> they have a "best results" resolution
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> for each item
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> and try to figure out a name for the league :)
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> the merchandise should be generally interesting to arma players and geeks in general, gamers in general, etc.
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> and should all have the logo on there somewhere for the league :)
07:56 <DrJoeTron> i really want KING O FTRON
07:57 <DrJoeTron> of course
07:57 <DrJoeTron> and i'll put the year and all of that jazz
07:57 <DrJoeTron> and if needed and now i desire
07:57 <DrJoeTron> i'll make a new pic every year
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> http://help.cafepress.com/hc/s-74058960/cmd/kbresource/kb-4063593191279725905/front_page!PAGETYPE?category=9&VisitorProfile=Cafepress
07:59 <DrJoeTron> should we do Direct Printing?
08:00 <DrJoeTron> and how about black tshirts
08:00 <DrJoeTron> nah
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08:01 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, it may be that we have to look at the individual products to get image sizes
08:01 <DrJoeTron> ok
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08:01 <DrJoeTron> hmmm
08:01 <DrJoeTron> idonno guys
08:02 <DrJoeTron> would you wear an armagetron tshirt?
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> 100dpi recommended
08:02 <DrJoeTron> ok
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> centered images on t-shirts are 10x10 inches
08:02 <DrJoeTron> sweet
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> the front pocket is 6 x 6
08:03 <DrJoeTron> i'll creat a psd now
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> just the shoulders on the back is 10 x 4
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> they have 200dpi templates
08:03 <DrJoeTron> we just want centered images?
08:03 <DrJoeTron> can you link me
08:03 <DrJoeTron> ?
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> what I'm looking at is only for logged in users :(
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> aaa, what the hell
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> hang on
08:04 <DrJoeTron> sure thing
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> probably not a bad thing, since I'll just create the shop right there :)
08:06 <DrJoeTron> can you link me now?
08:06 <DrJoeTron> to these templates
08:06 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.cafepress.com/cp/members/products/product_edit_design.aspx?itemno=15177382&side=F
08:06 <Lucifer_arma> links are on that page
08:08 <DrJoeTron> haha
08:08 <DrJoeTron> shit man
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> I don't understand why that shirt doesn't sell :(
08:08 <DrJoeTron> haha
08:09 <DrJoeTron> i can make my own damn template
08:10 <DrJoeTron> lemme reconfigure photoshop to cmyk
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> if we hurry up and name the league, I can create the cafepress store and you can just start filling it with junk
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> couple of things, depending on how much work you want to do for it :)
08:10 <DrJoeTron> shoot
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> it should have season and year, not just year, since we're looking at two seasons per year
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> also, I want a test run this summer, so there'll be a summer '07, fall '07, spring '08, fall '08, etc
08:11 <DrJoeTron> oooh ok
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> second, this is the part that depends on how much work you want to do.  We should take all the previous season's stuff off and do new stuff each season
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> we might recycle designs, but I want people to think that everything is limited edition, so if they don't buy it now, it may not be there later
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> but that's a lot of work
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> it would make sense to let the summer '07 stuff bleed into the fall, though, since it is a short test season
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> then, the money's got to go two ways at least
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> 1) pay for the league's own expenses (and if there's money, we'll want to add expenses, like a domain, dedicated server or three, etc, then trophies and shit)
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> 2) paypal to Tank Program for the project  :)
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> after that, we can fight over it.
08:13 <DrJoeTron> pfft
08:14 <DrJoeTron> doing new images is no big deal
08:14 <DrJoeTron> especially if its MSPAINT
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> aha
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/help/help_image_sizes.aspx
08:31 <DrJoeTron> ok ok
08:31 <DrJoeTron> i can make a pic
08:31 <DrJoeTron> i need a name
08:31 <DrJoeTron> brb
08:33 <DrJoeTron> ok
08:33 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma help me come up a name for this thing
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> I'm leaning towards something boring
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> Armagetron Fortress League
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> something like that
08:34 <DrJoeTron> thats lame
08:34 <DrJoeTron> and yet
08:34 <DrJoeTron> i cant come up with anything better
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> try to fit something to afk that doesn't use "King" :)
08:35 <DrJoeTron> Armagetron Fortress Kings
08:36 <DrJoeTron> i'd like to make the image somewhat professional
08:36 <DrJoeTron> yet satirical
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> er
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> make afk fit something that does NOT use the word "King"
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> or Kings :)
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> thesaurus isn't helping me
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> how about a word that starts with T and means something like "big bad asses"
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> fuck it
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> I say we just go with Armagetron Fortress League
08:52 <DrJoeTron> yeah
08:52 <DrJoeTron> keepit
08:52 <DrJoeTron> for now
08:53 <DrJoeTron> :o
09:02 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma you thee?
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I am mee
09:02 <DrJoeTron> ok
09:03 <DrJoeTron> no way in hell is this what im using
09:03 <DrJoeTron> this is more or less me dicking around 
09:03 <DrJoeTron> but a very very very general idea
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> heh
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> where's the wall the guy leaves wherever he goes?  ;)
09:05 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
09:05 <DrJoeTron> oh god thats perfect
09:05 <DrJoeTron> im going to draw a wall coming behind a person
09:05 <DrJoeTron> with blood and debris everywhere
09:05 <DrJoeTron> well not everywhere
09:05 <DrJoeTron> but there
09:07 <DrJoeTron> i want that face though
09:07 <DrJoeTron> i think its priceless 
09:10 <DrJoeTron> ibut yeah
09:10 <DrJoeTron> thats what it will be
09:11 <DrJoeTron> thanks for the idea
09:11 <DrJoeTron> :D
09:13 <DrJoeTron> give me a little bit to make it
09:14 <DrJoeTron> i'll try and get it done sometime soon
09:16 <DrJoeTron> sleep time
09:16 <DrJoeTron> ta
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09:32 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: ROFL also contains Fortress League, perhaps someone can make something of the first two letters?
09:33 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm
09:33 <z-man> aRmagetrOn Fortress League?
09:33 <Lucifer_arma> Right-On Fortress League :)
09:34  * Lucifer_arma wonders how far the phrse "right on" has penetrated past the hippies that came up with it
09:35 <hang3r> Thankfully it was a term never used in Australia.
09:37  * z-man admits he only knows it in the "go right on" context, so he probably doesn't get the hippie meaning
09:40 <Lucifer_arma> so it would be lost on most of the players, I guess
09:40 <Lucifer_arma> heh
09:40 <Lucifer_arma> basically, it's like this.  "Dude, I just scored some killer weed from this chick, then she slept with me!"
09:40 <Lucifer_arma> "Right on!"
09:41 <Lucifer_arma> or "I got a 98 on my physics test!"
09:41 <Lucifer_arma> "Right on!"
09:41 <Lucifer_arma> "My team won the fortress league championship!"
09:41 <Lucifer_arma> "Right on!"
09:41 <Lucifer_arma> etc
09:44 <z-man> So it's the same as "whoa, dude!"?
09:44  * Lucifer_arma will think about RO
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, one meaning I guess.  "Whoa, dude!" is pretty generic.  ;)
09:44 <z-man> Right :)
09:45 <z-man> off to work
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11:17 <Lucifer_arma> Regular Old Fortress League :)
11:27 <z-man-work> Really Original.
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14:24 <Dorka> :O
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17:18 <armabot> DrJoeTron is GodTodd's bitch.
17:27 <kamp|sleeping> ...
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18:15 <epsy> i wonder if i can hide the chat hud on/off by pressing a key...
18:22 <luke-jr_work> ...
18:31 <epsy> …?
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19:23 <wrtlprnft> epsy: bind the scroll down key to something more accessible :P
19:23 <epsy> nah i still get annoyed by hud messages(especially entering players)
19:26 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig console_rows
19:26 <armabot> wrtlprnft: CONSOLE_ROWS: Number of lines of console output without user intervention (default: 5) || CONSOLE_ROWS_MAX: Number of lines of console output when scrolling back (default: 19)
19:26 <epsy> k now how i toggle it back and forth ?
19:26 <wrtlprnft> use a /console instant chat to set that to 0/5?
19:27 <epsy>  /console is the command that was missing to me...
19:27 <wrtlprnft> on 0.3.0 and up, at least
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20:02 <epsy> still need to find a place for 2 IC...hehe
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20:03 <DrJoeTron> thank you sewing machine oil "D
20:04 <DrJoeTron> that'll give the fan on my video card a couple more months to live "D
20:08  * GodTodd wonders about joe actually having sewing machine oil...
20:11 <DrJoeTron> I dont want 2020 involved on this fortress league what so ever
20:11 <luke-jr_work> ...
20:12 <GodTodd> we all know you'd rather have hyphy ;)
20:12 <DrJoeTron> compared to 2020
20:12 <DrJoeTron> i would
20:12  * luke-jr_work bans DrJoeTron from Arma
20:12 <luke-jr_work> go sit in the corner
20:12 <luke-jr_work> and think about what you just said
20:12 <DrJoeTron> it's 2020!
20:12 <luke-jr_work> and then
20:12 <DrJoeTron> he's creepy!
20:12 <luke-jr_work> when you're done
20:13 <luke-jr_work> you will have
20:13 <luke-jr_work> change
20:13 <luke-jr_work> d
20:13 <luke-jr_work> your mind
20:13 <DrJoeTron> this is the guy who wanted to give cash prizes to 13 year olds for this game
20:14 <GodTodd> sure it wasn't candy for other games? 
20:14 <GodTodd> heh
20:14 <DrJoeTron> hahha
20:15 <luke-jr_work> DrJoeTron: hm?
20:16 <DrJoeTron> did you not remember that?
20:16 <DrJoeTron> cash prizes!
20:16 <luke-jr_work> so?
20:16 <DrJoeTron> a thousand people playing tron
20:16 <DrJoeTron> creating world peace!
20:17  * GodTodd creates world peace.
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20:25 <GodTodd> aha! it worked :D
20:25 <DrJoeTron> :D
20:25 <GodTodd> and in less than 10 minutes :)
20:26 <DrJoeTron> thank you :D
20:26  * GodTodd bows.
20:26 <GodTodd> glad to be of service
20:26 <GodTodd> heh
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20:35 <GodTodd> well...world peace was nice while it lasted :/
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20:47  * luke-jr_work hangs GodTodd 
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20:47 <GodTodd> for?
20:48  * GodTodd rises again, causing luke-jr_ to worship him as Lord and Savior.
20:48 <luke-jr_work> thou art a hairy tick!
20:49 <GodTodd> your God is a hairy tick?
20:49 <GodTodd> how blasphemous of you
20:49 <GodTodd> :)
20:50 <luke-jr_work> no
20:50 <luke-jr_work> you are
20:50 <GodTodd> that's what i said...
20:56 <pavelo> "thou art a hairy tick" is that a shakespeare program ?
20:56 <pavelo> it sure sounds like that
21:00 <luke-jr_work> no
21:01 <luke-jr_work> I was calling him a heretic
21:01 <luke-jr_work> though he's more of a pagan
21:01 <luke-jr_work> IIRC
21:01 <DrJoeTron> God is a pagan?
21:02 <pavelo> pagans have gods
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21:07 <madmax|pt> hello
21:08 <pavelo> 'ello
21:08 <mkzelda> lol, check out #1 high score on http://www.handdrawngames.com/DesktopTD/Scoreboard.asp
21:08 <mkzelda> :D
21:09 <mkzelda> you guys can tell all your friends you know the guy that got the high score on Desktop Tower Defense
21:09 <mkzelda> tell your grandkids about it one day
21:20 <luke-jr_work> that's not saying much
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21:29 <mkzelda> about your ability to detect sarcasm? i know
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21:47 <mkzelda> lol they removed my high score already
21:51 <madmax|pt> so, no story
22:00 <pavelo> you should've taken a screenshot
22:05 <ghableska> #weather 50266
22:05 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 31.6°F (3:01 PM CST on March 07, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 21.2°F. Pressure: 29.34 in 993.5 hPa (Rising). 
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22:09 <Nixda301> hello
22:09 <madmax|pt> crap.
22:09 <madmax|pt> I guess its too late
22:10 <mkzelda> i did take a screenshot
22:10 <mkzelda> http://www.handdrawngames.com/DesktopTD/CScoreboard.asp
22:10 <mkzelda> i also have the high score there :D
22:10 <mkzelda> on squirt and frost towers ONLY
22:10 <mkzelda> i have pellet towers :D
22:10 <madmax|pt> haha
22:19 <DrJoeTron> those sounds
22:19 <DrJoeTron> i've heard them from somewhere
22:19 <madmax|pt> lemmings?
22:19 <DrJoeTron> yeah!
22:19 <DrJoeTron> lemmings paint ball
22:20 <mkzelda> http://www.mkzelda.com/highscore.png theres the other high score that got removed w/in 10 mins
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23:39 <Vanhayes>  #armaservers
23:39 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
23:39 <Vanhayes> hello
23:39 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
23:39 <armabot> Vanhayes: ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬ (14 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (13 players) || Norm's Place (10 players) || °¯ps Arena ~~~ Team Sumo ~~~ (10 players) || {Delicious Desserts} Custom Map (9 players) || Wild West =Capture The Flag= (8 players) || Chico's Brake Boost Styball (8 players) || LoBo's Fun Server (7 players) || ~*SpeederS*~ Server (6 players) || Strawberry Fields (1 more message)
23:40 <ghableska> #serverdetails chico
23:40 <armabot> ghableska: Chico's Brake Boost Styball: Players (6/8): :TS: ScX B345T, kate moss, Kerouac3001, kidd, mañn, SuBlImInAl.FreQ
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23:53 <ghableska> do all of radian's posts look like he was typing while drunk?
23:53 <ghableska> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=14141
23:54 <Vanhayes> wel afaik thats how he usualy plays tron so...
23:54 <ghableska> haha
23:55 <Vanhayes> #lastseen Vanhayes 
23:55 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes has last been seen on  Wild West  =CTF Shooting= 1 days 23 hours 21 minutes ago.
23:56 <Vanhayes> #weather saint john
23:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 10°F / -12°C | Humidity: 31% | Pressure: 30.01in / 1016hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 6:00 PM AST; Tonight - Clear. Wind northwest 20 km/h becoming light this evening. Low minus 18.; Thursday - Becoming cloudy in the morning. Clearing in the afternoon. Wind becoming northwest 30 km/h gusting to 50 in the morning. (1 more message)
23:58 <madmax|pt> #weather lisbon
23:58 <armabot> madmax|pt: Temperature: 54°F / 12°C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 30.45in / 1031hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 15mph / 24km/h | Updated: 10:30 PM WET; Chance of Rain. High:62 ° F. / 17 ° C.; Clear. Low:48 ° F. / 9 ° C.; Partly Cloudy. High:60 ° F. / 16 ° C.; Clear. Low:48 ° F. / 9 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. High:64 ° F. / 18 ° C.; Clear. Low:50 ° F. / 10 ° C.;
23:58 <guru3> wrtlprnft: i like the 'shrapnel' idea
23:58 <guru3> could be fun
23:59 <guru3> off to bed now tho

Log from 2007-03-08:
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00:02 <DrJoeTron> ghableska
00:02 <ghableska> yes?
00:02 <DrJoeTron> game for you to download
00:02 <DrJoeTron> :D
00:02 <ghableska> what?
00:03 <DrJoeTron> space cowboy online
00:03 <ghableska> uhh
00:03 <ghableska> #googe space cowboy online
00:03 <DrJoeTron> its pretty much starfox
00:03 <ghableska> er
00:03 <DrJoeTron> but an mmo
00:03 <DrJoeTron> i played a bit
00:03 <DrJoeTron> then quit since i had no ambition
00:03 <ghableska> haha
00:04 <DrJoeTron> im starting up again because i totally forgot about the goon brigades, and how everyone hated them because they killed everything
00:04 <DrJoeTron> the game is pretty much grind grind grind grind grind grind
00:04 <ghableska> heh
00:04 <DrJoeTron> vp
00:05 <DrJoeTron> pvp*
00:05 <ghableska> err
00:05 <ghableska> I hate those :X
00:05 <DrJoeTron> yeah i do too
00:05 <DrJoeTron> it goes by fast 
00:05 <ghableska> bah
00:05 <ghableska> grinding is still grinding :/
00:05 <DrJoeTron> i played with vladd impaler for a while
00:05 <DrJoeTron> yeah
00:05 <DrJoeTron> grinding is still grinding
00:05 <DrJoeTron> such a lame game mechanic
00:05 <DrJoeTron> wanna KILL THINGS!?
00:05 <DrJoeTron> not...really...
00:05 <DrJoeTron> OK
00:06 <DrJoeTron> 30 OF THEM
00:06 <DrJoeTron> :V
00:06 <ghableska> heh
00:06 <luke-jr_> ...
00:06  * luke-jr_ KILLING DrJoeTron 
00:07 <ghableska> #kill luke-jr_
00:07 <armabot> luke-jr_ will die on Fri Mar 28 08:43:43 1980 due to being stabbed in the eye by z-man-work.
00:08 <luke-jr_> z-man-work: jerk :(
00:08 <luke-jr_> no killing before I'm born!
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00:08 <DrJoeTron> yaaay!
00:08 <DrJoeTron> ghableska
00:08 <DrJoeTron> ...thank you
00:09 <ghableska> uhh?
00:09 <DrJoeTron> nm
00:09 <ghableska> o_O
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00:42 <Stempo> so... who's had a stressful day? :-D
00:42 <_Sticky_> yup
00:43 <luke-jr_> ...
00:43 <Stempo> care to share?
00:44 -!- Ratty [n=Raistlfi@63-87-213-133.res.nb.dhcp.sigecom.net] has joined #armagetron
00:45 <_Sticky_> the useual..spend most of my day doing other peoples programming and work and pc admin cos they cant
00:45 <Ratty> Any of you guys know the correct permissions for the armagetronad user to startup a dedicated server ?
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00:45 <_Sticky_> bye
00:46 <_Sticky_> permissions
00:46 <_Sticky_> execute permissions?
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00:47 <Stempo> eek, wouldn't let my messages through
00:47 <_Sticky_> wb
00:47 <Stempo> ty
00:47 <Stempo> I'm at the library so everything is screwy
00:47 <_Sticky_> studying
00:47 <_Sticky_> ?
00:48 <Stempo> anywho: sticky I thought you were like... my age
00:48 <Stempo> nah
00:48 <_Sticky_> how old you?
00:48 <Stempo> 15ish...
00:48 <Stempo> almost 16
00:48 <_Sticky_> yeah im older
00:48 <Stempo> -.-
00:48 <Stempo> by like a million years like Todd or only afew years like guru?
00:48 <Stempo> a few*
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00:49 <_Sticky_> mid 20's...about the accuracy im willing to give
00:49 <_Sticky_> heh
00:49 <ghableska> heh
00:49 <ghableska> stempo = Genki?
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00:49 <_Sticky_> ahh
00:49 -!- Stempo [n=a65931c2@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
00:50 <Stempo> *note to self* burn down the library for crappy internet
00:50 <_Sticky_> Stempo: mid 20's...about the accuracy im willing to give
00:52 <Stempo> oi Dorka!
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00:52 <Ratty> _Sticky_, So that is all you need to give the user of the server, execute permission ?
00:52 -!- Stempo [n=a65931c2@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
00:52 <Stempo> -.-
00:52 <_Sticky_> are you getting my pm's stempo...think im no registered
00:53 <Stempo> I got your first one
00:53 <Stempo> that's all I really needed
00:53 <Stempo> anywho: still being forced to do the work of others or relaxing at home?
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00:55 <_Sticky_> Ratty: you trying to give a individual user on a linux box ability to run tron??
00:55 <Ratty> No I am trying to amke up a new user... useradd armagetronad and was wondering what permissions he needed
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00:56 <Stempo> this is really getting annoying
00:56 <_Sticky_> wireless?
00:56 <Stempo> yeppers
00:56 <_Sticky_> let me guess you have an intel card??
00:56 <Stempo> nopers
00:56 <_Sticky_> ahh dam
00:57 <Stempo> iBook G4
00:57 <ghableska> what do you have against intel cards? :p
00:57 <Stempo> lol
00:57 <Stempo> whenever the IRC loads all the way Idon't see replies anymore
00:57 <_Sticky_> ive come across 2 intel wireless cards that knock you off the net every 5 min like clockwork
00:57 -!- Stempo [n=a65931c2@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has quit [Client Quit]
00:57 <ghableska> o_O
00:57 -!- Stempo [n=a65931c2@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
00:57 <Stempo> I swear I'm going to burn down the library....
00:57 <Stempo> -..-
00:57 <_Sticky_> hi...bye in advance
00:58 <Stempo> lol
00:58 <Stempo> hi bye hi
00:58 <Stempo> bye hi
00:58 <Stempo> what do you have against intel cards?
00:59 <_Sticky_> ratty im not sure you need any special permissions do you?...not sure tho
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00:59 <ghableska> _Sticky_: I think you should start a vendetta against iBook G4's ;)
00:59 <_Sticky_> why ibooks?
00:59 -!- Stempo [n=a65931c2@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
00:59 <Ratty> _Sticky_, I suppose I do since I keep on getting the error : Permissions denied when trying to run the dedicated server .... Hmmm....
00:59 <_Sticky_> Stempo: ive come across 2 intel wireless cards that knock you off the net every 5 min like clockwork
01:00 <Stempo> xD
01:00 <Stempo> I need to find an IRC site or something... I'm using the one on durka's site
01:00 <_Sticky_> is there execute permisions for group/other for the program you are trying to run?
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01:15 <_Sticky_> #tell Stempo try http://irc.netsplit.de/webchat/?net=freenode for web based irc...looks like it should work
01:15 <armabot> _Sticky_: Error: I haven't seen Stempo, I'll let you do the telling.
01:15 <madmax|pt> #m
01:15 <armabot> madmax|pt: (message <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "later tell $1 $2".
01:15 <_Sticky_> hmm isnt that the point of tell?  to tell them when they come back
01:16 <_Sticky_> ahhh
01:16 <madmax|pt> or #later tell i think
01:16 <madmax|pt> -(i think)
01:16 <_Sticky_> #m Stempo try http://irc.netsplit.de/webchat/?net=freenode for web based irc...looks like it should work
01:16 <armabot> _Sticky_: The operation succeeded.
01:16 <_Sticky_> tyt
01:16 <_Sticky_> ty
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01:17 <Stempo> -.-
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01:17 <_Sticky_> hay all
01:17 -!- kamp|schooling is now known as kamp
01:17 <kamp> hey
01:18 <Stempo> hey
01:18 -!- Dorka is now known as spidey
01:18 <kamp> haha
01:18  * spidey stabs stempo
01:18 <kamp> dorka
01:18 <Stempo> lol
01:18  * Stempo stabs spidey
01:18 <_Sticky_> Stempo: you genki??
01:18  * Stempo slaps spidey and kicks him
01:18 <_Sticky_> Stempo: get the message about possible web based irc?
01:18 <spidey> hey!
01:18 <spidey> that was uncalled for!
01:19 <spidey> brb
01:20 <kamp> web based irc
01:20 <kamp> you mean like
01:20 <kamp> irc
01:20 <kamp> using the web?
01:20 <kamp> brillint
01:21 <kamp> #brilliant!
01:21 <_Sticky_> yeah java client
01:21 <kamp> nah
01:21 <kamp> i never liked em
01:21  * Stempo slaps spidey again while he's gone
01:21 <Stempo> I prefer to stick to messenger
01:21 <Stempo> but people like sticky dont give it out the turds
01:21 <_Sticky_> i presume she is on a public machine so cant install an irc client
01:22 <Stempo> nope :(
01:22 <_Sticky_> " but people like sticky dont give it out the turds"????wtf does that mean
01:22 <Stempo> actually it's my laptop, but the school I go to put blocks on it so downloading anything is impossible
01:22 <luke-jr_> Stempo: "messenger"?
01:22 <spidey> ..
01:22 <spidey> uncalled for!
01:23  * Stempo pokes spidey be quiet
01:23 <spidey> man
01:23 <Stempo> :P
01:23 <Stempo> woman
01:23 <spidey> everyone ran off and left me home
01:23 <spidey> >.<
01:23 <Stempo> xD
01:23 <Stempo> I don't run off, I drive off
01:23 <Stempo> illegally of course
01:23 <spidey> ...
01:23 <Stempo> :-D
01:23  * Stempo rolls that way
01:23 <spidey> women shouldn't be allowed to drive
01:24 <Stempo> why's that? because we pwn you men?
01:24 <Stempo> :P
01:25 <_Sticky_> pwning on the roads is not a good thing
01:25 <Stempo> lol
01:25 <_Sticky_> also known as an accident
01:25 <spidey> indeed sticky
01:25 <Stempo> acutally it'd be a crash
01:25 <Stempo> an accident is like a tree falling over the road
01:25 <Stempo> a crash is human error
01:25  * Stempo learned that in Driver's Ed
01:25 <Stempo> lol
01:26 <ghableska> spidey: you drive? o_O
01:26 <Stempo> lmao!
01:26 <_Sticky_> i did once pwn a bollard in my car
01:26 <Stempo> bollard? O.o
01:26 <spidey> ghableska, yea
01:26 <ghableska> ack
01:26 <spidey> ghableska, don't need a license if you don't get caught
01:26 <spidey> meh
01:26 <_Sticky_> bollard??? english expresion i guess
01:26 <Stempo> what is it?
01:27 <_Sticky_> def: One of a series of posts preventing vehicles from entering an area.
01:28 <ghableska> #wikipedia bollard
01:28 <armabot> ghableska: Search took 0.11 seconds: Bollard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bollard>; Alan Bollard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Bollard>; USCGC Bollard (WYTL-65614) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USCGC_Bollard>; Ice climbing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (3 more messages)
01:28 <ghableska> oh, those
01:28 <Stempo> interesting
01:29  * madmax|pt wants Terminal.app to have clickable links
01:29 <spidey> macs suck :D
01:30 <kamp> terminal.app?
01:30 <madmax|pt> os x's terminal
01:30 <spidey> .app = mac afiaks
01:30 <spidey> -s
01:31  * ghableska goes off to play tetris
01:32 <madmax|pt> "Tetris? What's that?"
01:32 <luke-jr_> ksirtet
01:32 <ghableska> hahaha
01:32 <kamp> tetris sucks
01:33 <kamp> :)
01:34 <ghableska> well, if you have a calculator and nothing else to do...
01:34 <_Sticky_> 5d tetris rocks
01:34 <kamp> s5d tetris
01:34 <kamp> swow
01:34 <ghableska> o_O
01:34 <_Sticky_> dosent exist yet but just thought it up
01:34 <kamp> argh
01:34 <kamp> i put s in front of everything
01:34 <kamp> fucking armagetron
01:34 <kamp> blah
01:34 <_Sticky_> i do that too
01:35 <ghableska> s or y, depends on which game I've been playing recently
01:35 <kamp> y?
01:35 <_Sticky_> also shout lag when my message dosent appear in less than 100ms
01:36 <ghableska> heh
01:36 <_Sticky_> LAG
01:36 <ghableska> kamp: counterstrike
01:36 <kamp> oh
01:36 <kamp> i don't like that game
01:36 <_Sticky_> cs1.6 or source??
01:36 <ghableska> source
01:36 <_Sticky_> oh dear
01:36 <kamp> it helps that i'm no good at it
01:36 <_Sticky_> HEADSHOT
01:36 <madmax|pt> "What the FUCK happened?" © Lucifer_arma
01:36 <ghableska> madmax|pt?
01:36 <Lucifer_arma> ?
01:37 <Lucifer_arma> is he making fun of me?
01:37 <ghableska> heh, not sure
01:37 <Lucifer_arma> do I need to kick his ass?
01:37 <_Sticky_> i used to play 1.6 i just cant hack source since headshots are so common i just die instantly
01:37 <kamp> maybe
01:37 <madmax|pt> heh, that was a possible counter-taunt on a "LAG"
01:37  * ghableska shrugs
01:37 <kamp> what'd you guys figure out last night about the tourney anyway?
01:37 <kamp> ljlcjnsadclkjndsakljcna
01:37 <Lucifer_arma> do I need to kick his butt all the way to Pizza Hut?
01:37 <ghableska> we figured out something?
01:37 <kamp> yea man
01:37 <kamp> figured it all out
01:37 <kamp> we're having 42 teams
01:37 <madmax|pt> Well, I think so. After all he said LAG
01:37 <kamp> who all play 42 games
01:37 <ghableska> heh. I must've missed that part :p
01:37 <kamp> and we'll have 42 champs
01:38 <ghableska> #g the answer to life the universe and everything
01:38 <_Sticky_> whats wrong with me saying lag??
01:38 <armabot> ghableska: the answer to life the universe and everything = 42
01:38 <ghableska> :D
01:38 <Lucifer_arma> madmax|pt: you must be playing with some other Lucifer...
01:38 -!- kamp is now known as kamp42
01:38  * Lucifer_arma periodically complains about lag, but *never* blames lag
01:38 <madmax|pt> lol
01:38 <kamp42> #whoami
01:38 <armabot> kamp42: kamp
01:38 <Lucifer_arma> #whoishe
01:38 <ghableska> it knows :o
01:38 <Lucifer_arma> SHE
01:38 <Lucifer_arma> ARMABOT IS A SHE
01:38 <ghableska> *she knows
01:38 <Lucifer_arma> you want to see a picture?
01:38 <spidey> if it's 6:40 here, what gmt am i?
01:39 <Lucifer_arma> oh wait, you're too young to see the picture I have of her
01:39 <ghableska> are you cst?
01:39 <kamp42> it
01:39 <ghableska> heh
01:39 <spidey> yea
01:39 <ghableska> 12:30
01:39 <ghableska> *40
01:39 <ghableska> CST = GMT -6
01:39 <kamp42> anyway
01:39 <ghableska> err, wait
01:39 <kamp42> tonight i the super smash bros night
01:39 <kamp42> should be interesting
01:39 <ghableska> but daylight savings is coming early, isn't it?
01:40 <kamp42> yea
01:40 <kamp42> this sunday
01:40 <madmax|pt> Lucifer_arma: not that. I was once trying to figure out the perfect taunt against players who say "LAG!!11" often. You suggested "What the FUCK happened?" or something similar
01:40 <kamp42> are you ready?
01:40 <ghableska> yep
01:40 <kamp42> are you sure?
01:40 <Lucifer_arma> oh, heh
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01:40  * ghableska has one of those atomic watches
01:40 <kamp42> planes are going to be falling out of the sky dude
01:40 <kamp42> watches?
01:40  * Lucifer_arma keeps time with his bowel movements
01:40 <ghableska> heh
01:40 <kamp42> you think that watch is going to save you froma  falling plane?
01:40 <ghableska> well, it's techincally radio-controlled
01:40 <_Sticky_> #whoisshe
01:40 <ghableska> um
01:41 <kamp42> #whoisit
01:41 <_Sticky_> heh
01:41 <Lucifer_arma> #whois kamp42
01:41 <kamp42> #whoareyou
01:41 <kamp42> #whoreyou
01:41 <kamp42> whoa, what?
01:41 <Lucifer_arma> #alias add whoareyou echo $nick: I am your woman.
01:41 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
01:41 <Lucifer_arma> #whoareyou
01:41 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: I am your woman.
01:41 <_Sticky_> #whois(he|she|it|that)
01:41 <kamp42> haha
01:41 <kamp42> #whoareyou
01:41 <armabot> kamp42: I am your woman.
01:42 <kamp42> haha
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> slut
01:42 <kamp42> #whoreyou
01:42 <kamp42> :)
01:42 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, what email server would you suggest?
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: one that works
01:42 <kamp42> yep
01:42 <kamp42> that's usually best
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> they're all a pain in the ass to setup
01:43 <spidey> heh
01:43 <Lucifer_arma> do you need imap support?
01:43 <Lucifer_arma> wait, do you want to receive email, or just send mail?
01:43 <kamp42> that reminds me
01:44 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, just send atm
01:44 <Lucifer_arma> ok, postfix then
01:44 <kamp42> i need to figure out how to get pop support from my university webmail
01:44 <kamp42> everything in there is esoteric
01:44 <kamp42> it sucks
01:44 <Lucifer_arma> kamp42: ask your system administrator :)
01:44 <kamp42> they're esoteric as wel
01:44 <kamp42> they'll probably give me an answer like "we're working on it"
01:44 <kamp42> bastards
01:44 <kamp42> or "what version of opera are you using" as though that matters
01:44 <Lucifer_arma> if that's the answer they give you, it means you *can't* until they finish it
01:45 <kamp42> but they have it
01:45 <kamp42> i know it
01:45 <kamp42> i just need to scour the ufl site
01:45 <kamp42> anyway
01:45 <kamp42> i'm outtie
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01:48 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, thanks :D
01:49 <Lucifer_arma> np :)
01:49 <Lucifer_arma> postfix is what sends mail from the wiki ;)
01:49 <spidey> heh
01:49 <spidey> needed something so phpbb2 wouldn't bitch about there being no mailserver to send email notifications 
01:49 <spidey> :/
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01:52 <_Sticky_> i thought post fix was that whole ab+c* thing
01:52 <_Sticky_> heh
01:53 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, is postfix smtp imap or pop3?
01:53 <Lucifer_arma> smtp, outgoing mail is always smtp
01:53 <Lucifer_arma> here's how it works, in general
01:53 <Lucifer_arma> you get an smtp server to send outgoing mail
01:53 <Lucifer_arma> it can receive mail, too
01:54 <Lucifer_arma> so you coud connect to my smtp server and send me mail (theoretically, practically I'd have to reconfigure it somewhat)
01:54 <Lucifer_arma> that mail would be put in /var/mail or somesuch place, and you'd need to read a mail spool to get it
01:54 <Lucifer_arma> KMail supports that :)
01:54 <Lucifer_arma> however, that's not a typical configuration anymore
01:54 <Lucifer_arma> so, instead, what you want is a server that people will connect to and retrieve their mail
01:55 <Lucifer_arma> so here comes pop3.  You run a pop3 daemon and it takes mail that's stored in your user's mail directory and allows remote clients who authenticate to retrieve it
01:55 <Lucifer_arma> you follow?
01:55 <luke-jr_> pop3 sucks
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> so your basic mail server configuration for end-users requires two parts.  It needs an smtp server to send mail to other servers and to receive mail from servers,
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> and it requires a pop3 daemon to allow clients to retrieve their own email
01:56 <luke-jr_> does not require pop3!!
01:56 <luke-jr_> I run my mail server 100% POP3-free
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> now, at some point, someone (I forget who, I want to blame microsoft for it), dreamed up imap
01:57 <luke-jr_> M$ just "extended" IMAP
01:57 <Lucifer_arma> imap is a protocol where the base assumption is that your mail stays on the mail server
01:57 <Lucifer_arma> it has some extra authentication, but afaik, still requires an smtp server to send mail
01:57 <Lucifer_arma> so you're still looking at having two servers
01:57 <Lucifer_arma> now, when you start looking at software to do these things, you find something a bit expected
01:58 <Lucifer_arma> you find smtp servers by themselves, and you find "mail server packages" that provide smtp, pop3, and sometimes imap components
01:58 <Lucifer_arma> those packages are also generally modular enough that you can plug in whatever smtp server you want
01:58 <Lucifer_arma> for example, I used to run courier
01:58 <Lucifer_arma> courier at that time required your own smtp server, and I used postfix for that
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> nowadays, you can get courier in flavors where you can still use your own smtp server, or you can use the one courier provides (which is a postfix server anyway, go figure)
02:03 <luke-jr_> I use Courier for IMAP
02:03 <luke-jr_> it sucks tho
02:03 <luke-jr_> :d
02:04 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, link on using postfix?
02:04 <spidey> :D
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02:15 <spidey> O.o
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02:18 <ghableska> hey mom
02:19 <Your_mom_arma> hey
02:20 <spidey> hi
02:21  * ghableska slaps spidey
02:21 <spidey> die
02:22 <ghableska> in 2010, remember?
02:22 <spidey> ssshhh
02:22 <ghableska> heh
02:22 <spidey> i'm installing webmin O.o
02:22 <ghableska> o.0
02:23  * ghableska installs Teamspeak
02:23 <luke-jr_> stupid!
02:23 <ghableska> ?
02:25 <spidey> he doesn't like teamspeak cause he's a noob
02:25 <spidey> :P
02:25 <ghableska> :P
02:54 <ghableska> http://www.adequacy.org/stories/2001.12.2.42056.2147.html <-- haha
02:59 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-216-182-238.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["o_O"]
03:01 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: www.google.com
03:05 <Lucifer_arma> Quake is an online virtual reality used by hackers. It is a popular meeting place and training ground, where they discuss hacking and train in the use of various firearms.
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03:07 <hang3r> Or lucifer is tripping and it's a First Person Shooter.
03:08 <Lucifer_arma> a third possibility is that I was quoting the article ghableska linked
03:08 <ghableska> #realchatlogs
03:08 <armabot> ghableska: http://master3.armagetronad.net/armalogs/
03:08 <Lucifer_arma> but I guess that's pretty extreme, isn't it?
03:08 <ghableska> #wikipedia adequacy.org
03:08 <armabot> ghableska: Search took 0.13 seconds: Troll (Internet) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll>; User talk:Calmypal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Calmypal>; Category:Comedy websites - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Comedy_websites>; Category:Internet trolling - (3 more messages)
03:09 <ghableska> internet troll, heh
03:09 <ghableska> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adequacy.org <--ah
03:10 <hang3r> Ah, I didn't see the article ghableska sent, my xchat window was to small
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03:58 <spidey> man
03:58 <spidey> i'd be down for civ tonight :D
03:58 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, luke-jr_ Your_mom_arma Vanhayes ghableska  ping :D
03:58 <ghableska> no.
03:58 <luke-jr_> what
03:58 <Lucifer_arma> probalby not, my wife wants to screw
03:58 <spidey> oh ghableska was a accident >.<
03:58 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: beat you by half an hour :p
03:59 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, screwing takes that long? o.O
03:59 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but we'll take more than a couple of minutes
03:59 <spidey> oh well
03:59 <Vanhayes> spidey: get rome total war
04:00 <spidey> gimme link
04:00 <ghableska> Vanhayes: that's a fun game :)
04:00 <spidey> luke-jr_,  join #fallin-angels real quick
04:00 <Vanhayes> ya, the torrent finished yesterday But we had to start on the walls again, so I just tried it today
04:01 <ghableska> ah
04:02 <Vanhayes> spidey: http://www.torrentspy.com/torrent/605823/Rome_Total_War  thats the one I got, didnt take that long but there might be a better one out there
04:05 <Lucifer_arma> yay, I found my tablature cd
04:05 <luke-jr_> spidey: ...
04:05 <spidey> civ, luke civ
04:05 <spidey> you're slower than me O.o
04:06 <luke-jr_> is it Fri?
04:06 <spidey> who cares about friday :D
04:07 <spidey> luke-jr_, join #fallin-angels nub :D
04:08 <luke-jr_> I've been there for like 3 days
04:08 <luke-jr_> n00b
04:08 <spidey> you''re not there noob
04:08 <spidey> it's only me
04:13 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma i'm playing space cowboy again
04:21 <mkzelda> http://www.dukelupus.pri.ee/forum/viewtopic.php?t=32
04:28 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: Regular Old Fortress League
04:31 <ghableska> #weather 50266
04:31 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 29.5°F (9:31 PM CST on March 07, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 21.2°F. Pressure: 29.30 in 992.1 hPa (Falling). 
04:32 <Your_mom_arma> DrJoeTron: is it any good?
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04:42 <Your_mom_arma> spidey: pong
04:48  * GodTodd perks at the mention of a tablature cd
04:48 <GodTodd> heh
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05:02 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
05:02 <armabot> pong
05:20 <GodTodd> stupid chemistry
05:23 <GodTodd> any chemists in here?
05:23 <GodTodd> thought not :/
05:23 <GodTodd> heh
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> maybe
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> what's the problem?
05:35 <GodTodd> How many grams of phosphoric acid will form when 30.00 grams of tetraphosphorus decoxide reacts with 75.00 mL of water?
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> eek!
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> no chemistry!
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> heh
05:36 <GodTodd> heh
05:36  * GodTodd hates chemistry
05:36 <GodTodd> :/
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> chemical formulas for phosphoric acid and tetraphosphorus decoxide are ... ?
05:37 <GodTodd> it's P4O10 + 6H2O = 4H3PO4
05:37 <GodTodd> that's the reaction equation
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> so do two things
05:38 <GodTodd> if i knew how many mol H2O is in 75 mL then it's pretty easy
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> first, unbound the water, assume plenty of water, and figure it out
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> oh, really?
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> that's easy.  mL is volume, right?
05:38 <GodTodd> right
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> volume * density = mass
05:39 <GodTodd> right
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> from mass you can convert to moles
05:39 <GodTodd> bah
05:39 <GodTodd> stfu :P
05:39 <GodTodd> heh
05:39  * GodTodd is slow tonight
05:40 <GodTodd> oh, yeah...i can just change the mL to g for water
05:40 <GodTodd> duh
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05:42 <kamp42> hey everyone
05:42 -!- kamp42 is now known as kamp
05:42 <GodTodd> yo
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> you know, nick made fun of me for making a tablature cd of olga, he said "olga's never going to go offline"
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> heya kamp (hi there!) 
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> kamp: Regular Old Fortress League
05:42  * GodTodd mourns olga.
05:42 <GodTodd> :(
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> the archive I have is a few years out of date, but it's still post-2000, so it's got all sorts of stuff
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> copying it to my laptop harddrive right now :)
05:44 <luke-jr_> :o
05:44 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: we're going to complete with "ROFL"?
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> unless you've got something for WTF that sounds good :)
05:44 <luke-jr_> that's almost as bad as "LOL clan"
05:45 <luke-jr_> Why The Fortress?
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> ANd World Tron Federation won't quite cut it, sorry.  I'm trying to avoid having Tron in the name anywhere
05:45 <GodTodd> well...shit....i don't think the water really matters in that problem....since the P4O10 is the limiting reagent...hrmmm
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> aha
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> well, that's the first thing you have to determine.  What's the limiting reagent?  ;)
05:45 <GodTodd> yeah
05:45 <GodTodd> :D
05:45 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: buy me a new car
05:46 <GodTodd> um...no?
05:46 <luke-jr_> :D
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> screw that, just pay me ~$2500/month until I finish school :)
05:46 <GodTodd> you people think i have money or what?
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> well, while we're asking for shit we're not going to get, we gotta ask for shit we want, you know?
05:47 <GodTodd> tur tur
05:47 <kamp> Regular old fortress league
05:47 <kamp> is terrible
05:47 <kamp> but whatever
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> heh
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> otherwise it'll probably just be Armagetron Fortress League
05:47 <kamp> nothing wrong with that
05:47 <GodTodd> remember olga fortress league?
05:47 <GodTodd> heh
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> or Armagetron Fortress Federation or something like that
05:48 <kamp> learning css is a drag
05:48  * GodTodd learned some css a while back
05:49 <GodTodd> quick....molar mass of H3PO4
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> haha, found some half-written old songs of mine
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> "You're a pretty boy metalhead!"
05:49 <luke-jr_> Ward Tutelage Forces!
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05:50 <kamp42> hmm
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05:50 <GodTodd> whoever said 97.994 was correct
05:50 <luke-jr_> told you
05:50 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: have you played with a thesaurus lately? :D
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> #g molar mass of luke-jr_ (hi there!) 
05:50 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: yes, I have
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05:50 <Lucifer_arma> #g molar mass of H2O
05:50 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
05:50 <luke-jr_> Ward Tutelage Forces (WTF) <-- aka Zone Protection League
05:51 <luke-jr_> just think
05:51 <luke-jr_> people see the name
05:51 <luke-jr_> they'll go
05:51 <luke-jr_> WTF
05:51 <luke-jr_> !
05:51 <GodTodd> bah...molar mass of water is 18.016
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> I was actually thinking more like "Everytime someone says WTF, they'll think of us"
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> talk about branding man
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> er
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> talk about branding, man
05:52 <kamp42> man
05:52 <kamp42> i'm burning my tongue off
05:52 <luke-jr_> kamp42: if he was talking to you, he'd have said woman, not man
05:52 <kamp42> damn good tasting tea, though
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> problem is, World Tron Federation is perfect, if I didn't want to be such a dick about not having tron in there
05:52 <GodTodd> ok...for better or worse, i'm going with 41.55g H3PO4
05:53 <kamp42> luke-jr_: nah, kid
05:53 <luke-jr_> Federation is lame
05:53 <kamp42> honestly
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> oh come on, it's just one word away from World Wrestling Federation
05:53 <luke-jr_> Federation implies a loose connection
05:53 <kamp42> i don't see the point in being all cutesy about the name
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> SP will love it!
05:53 <kamp42> but w.e.
05:53 <luke-jr_> World Trickster Forces
05:53 <luke-jr_> :p
05:53 <luke-jr_> haha
05:53 <luke-jr_> I have an idea
05:53 <kamp42> here
05:54 <luke-jr_> just refer to it as WTF
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> ah oh
05:54 <luke-jr_> and let people guess
05:54 <kamp42> real tron fortress melee
05:54 <kamp42> rtfm
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> then people will only think of us when they ask Luke for help!
05:54 <kamp42> heh
05:54 <luke-jr_> just refer to it as WTF and let people guess the full name :)
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> I think if Regular Old Fortress League doesn't suit, we'll go with boring and move on
05:54 <GodTodd> #luke
05:54 <armabot> STFU baka noob?? RTFM?? ur lame or smth.
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: then we'll become World Tron Federation
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> in the end, what really matters is that the league itself is good and people want to play in it, and the games are competitive
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> and the championship is worth winning
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> "bigger kamps to fry" comes to mind
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> or, we've got bigger prophets to crucify
05:56 <kamp42> what?
05:56 <luke-jr_> lol
05:56 <kamp42> bigger kamps to fry?
05:56 <luke-jr_> you want to crucify a prophet?
05:56 <luke-jr_> please pick the protest-ant/Feeneyite spamming me
05:56 <kamp42> chances are something bad would happen to him anyway
05:57 <luke-jr_> HAHA
05:57 <kamp42> smothing bad always happens to prophets
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> well, tab finished copying
05:57 <luke-jr_> you would make his spams so much more interesting if you emailed him as "Lucifer"
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so three choices
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> Regular Old Fortress League
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> Armagetron Fortress League
05:57 <luke-jr_> The last 40 years of the Apostasy, 1967-2007, are represented by the 40 year trial of Israel in the desert when it was under attack by serpents.  Only a few survived and were saved, the rest were destroyed.  The next 40 years of the Great Monarch which are about to come to pass, is symbolized in the scripture by the conquest of King Joshua into Israel, which happened in the 40 year generation after Moses.  
05:57 <luke-jr_>  
05:57 <luke-jr_> Just some prophetic and symbolic insight for the faithful.
05:57 <luke-jr_>  
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> Armagetron Fortress Federation
05:57 <luke-jr_> Papal Office
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> or we try to come up with something that's free of both Tron and FOrtress
05:58 <kamp42> i like how all the css resources online are dated like february 2000
05:58 <kamp42> or march 2002
05:58  * luke-jr_ wonders where this guy finds so much free time
05:58 <kamp42> nothing recent
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> which matters if we want to consider branching out later into other game styles
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: ever hear of scripts?
05:58 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: nah, scripts can't do this stuff
05:59 <kamp42> cinnamon tea
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> #eightball can scripts be used to simulate preaching?
05:59 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: It is so.
05:59 <kamp42> good stuff
05:59 <luke-jr_> lol
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> so last question, does it matter if fortress is in the name?
05:59 <kamp42> #eightball i want the drink, not the toy
05:59 <armabot> kamp42: What are you asking me for?
05:59 <kamp42> damn
05:59 <kamp42> #kill armabot
05:59 <armabot> armabot will die on Mon Aug 13 12:43:43 1979 due to being stabbed in the eye by madmax|pt.
05:59 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: I'd suggest having a non-federation-name with Fortress, and if we expand, make a Federation encompassing
06:00 <kamp42> #whoareyou
06:00 <armabot> kamp42: I am your woman.
06:00 <kamp42> faithful
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> #whoareyou
06:00 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: I am your woman.
06:00 <GodTodd> #whoareyou
06:00 <armabot> GodTodd: I am your woman.
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> slut
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> she's so awesome
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06:00 <Lucifer_arma> hi hang3r (hi there!) 
06:00 <Your_mom_arma> armabot armabot where for art thou armabot
06:00 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: The answer is def-- oooh! shiny thing!
06:01 <kamp42> ...
06:01 <kamp42> anyone playing in the lobster tub?
06:01 <GodTodd> just the sore people
06:01 <kamp42> ?
06:01 <luke-jr_> #whoareyou
06:01 <armabot> luke-jr_: I am your woman.
06:01 <luke-jr_> liar
06:01 <luke-jr_> :)
06:01 <GodTodd> you play in a tub with lobsters they will probably pinch you
06:02 <hang3r> hey Lucifer_arma (hi there!)
06:02 <kamp42> these don't
06:02 <kamp42> the lobsters sucks
06:02 <kamp42> here's a bug
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sexylosers.com/239.html  <--- picture of armabot
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> it's best when you played Strip Poker on the C64, of course
06:03 <kamp42> i never understood why, but whenever i move focus fro arma while it's looking for servers, when I turn back, it always turns up with the host network game dialog
06:03 <kamp42> tres frustrating
06:03 <luke-jr_> kamp42: your thing must be pretty small for the lobsters to suck it
06:04  * GodTodd tries to decide if lame was trying to insult kamp or if he's just practicing typing...
06:04 <kamp42> no idea
06:04 <luke-jr_> I was trying to pretend I was GodTodd :(
06:04 <kamp42> hey get in the lobster tub
06:04 <kamp42> it's not bad
06:04 <luke-jr_> it's the kind of thing he'd sya
06:04 <GodTodd> no good at it, are you?
06:05 <luke-jr_> that's probably a good thing
06:05 <GodTodd> yeah...cuz if you weren't lame we'd have no one to laugh at
06:05 <GodTodd> :D
06:06 <luke-jr_> sure you would
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06:06 <luke-jr_> canada still comes here once in a while
06:07 <luke-jr_> or you could unban hyphy
06:07 <kamp42> finally
06:07 <GodTodd> nah...i prefer laughing at you
06:07 <GodTodd> :)
06:07 -!- kamp42 is now known as kamp
06:07  * luke-jr_ notes kamp could have ghosted it
06:07 <kamp> what's that, how does it work, and how do you do it?
06:08  * GodTodd waits for "RTFM".
06:08  * kamp wonders why it takes so long to type
06:08 <luke-jr_> RTFM
06:08  * luke-jr_ did that just for GodTodd 
06:09 <GodTodd> there it is
06:09 <luke-jr_> /msg nickserv ghost <name> <password>
06:09 <luke-jr_> it's fun when DrJoeTron accidentally posts his password here
06:09  * luke-jr_ ponders if he ever changed it
06:10 <kamp> go ahead and check
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> [23:11] [Notice] -NickServ- Password Incorrect
06:11 <kamp> too bad
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it would have been awesome if I could've guessed luke's password
06:11 <luke-jr_> it's not very difficult
06:12 <kamp> i wouldn't imagine it was
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's not lucifersucks or jesusrules
06:13 <luke-jr_> haha
06:13 <kamp> heh
06:13 <luke-jr_> I wouldn't use Our Lord's name in such a fashon
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> it's also apparently not wifemyhasawesometits
06:13 <luke-jr_> http://bp2.blogger.com/_Ma7T_8XniKM/Re1XtUcudcI/AAAAAAAAALo/PEs5aZy1Y50/s1600-h/windows_vista_prague.jpg
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> er
06:14 <luke-jr_> installing Vista is an error :D
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> of course
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> primary reason I don't have a virus scanner is because they all fail to detect windows properly
06:14 <kamp> HAR
06:17 <kamp> anyway
06:17 <kamp> anything else that needs to be set up as far as the tournament goes?
06:17 <kamp> besides the league name?
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, lots of stuff :)
06:18 <luke-jr_> kamp: how's your PHP?
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> need to work out how many games we'll run in July and how the playoffs will be
06:18 <kamp> nonexistant
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> we'll use the wiki for setting up rosters.  Once the deadline passes, we'll lock the roster pages
06:19 <kamp> ah
06:19 <kamp> when's the deadline?
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> TBD
06:19 <kamp> which servers are participating?
06:19 <kamp> they should probably start running ads
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> ok, figure 4 weeks in July of games, then a short playoff and mini-championship in August
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> we need a name before we can advertise anything
06:19 <kamp> armagetron fortress league
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> also, we're trying to get an alternate network of servers setup that'll have their own master server
06:19 <kamp> there
06:20 <kamp> ah, i'd read about that
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> so, we need pages made on the wiki, but not yet pushed to the front
06:21 <kamp> luke-jr_: why do you ask?
06:21 <luke-jr_> I imagine there will be *some* PHP stuff for it XD
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> we need the rules we'll use, the physics/game rules config files (server admins should drop them in and use their own server_info.cfg)
06:21 <kamp> yea
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> I'd like to do it just using the wiki as much as possible, but any php coding should try to be in the form of mediawiki extensions
06:22 <kamp> so you need resources for teams, general rules, and resources for server admins
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> pretty much, yeah
06:22 <kamp> what do the teams need to know
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> I was just going to use my paypal account for actual joining fees, which are TBD, but don't go into effect until the fall season
06:22 <kamp> which day of the week would they be playing anyway?
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> TBD :)
06:22 <kamp> heh
06:22 <kamp> well
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> why don't you go make a July schedule for us?  :)
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> here's what I've got in mind for the schedule
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> we create 4 time slots in which we'll schedule games that cover the whole 24 hours
06:23 <kamp> assuming they play on say, wednesday or thursday, then you can send out e-mail notifications on mondays
06:23 <kamp> ?
06:23 <kamp> what?
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> we try to make sure teams play in time slots that match up with their timezones as much as possible
06:23 <kamp> ah
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> so european teams will play at times europeans prefer
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> when we have to do euro-american matches, the home game will be at a time that favors the home team
06:24 <kamp> would the times be changed according to home/away?
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> so the american team, on their server, gets the time they like the most
06:24 <kamp> oh ok
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> when the american team goes to play the euro server, they have to play at the euro time
06:24 <kamp> sucks to be the other team
06:24 <kamp> the away team
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> we'll still try to get games scheduled into the "best" time slot possible for everyone playing!
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> it's just that we already know that won't be possible, we learned that lesson in the spoon
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> so when we have to make a decision, we decide in favor of the home team for the game
06:25 <kamp> all right
06:26 <kamp> so you just choose a couple times slots during the day
06:26 <kamp> fill those as needed
06:26 <kamp> got it
06:26 <kamp> still need to choose a day
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> so what we need right now is a wiki page that shows us the schedule, filled in with placekeepers pretty much
06:26 <kamp> yea
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> I'd like to pick 2 days
06:26 <kamp> enh
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> we'll favor one of those days, and we'll use the rest for games that bleed over for some reason
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> s/rest/other
06:26 <kamp> ah, all right
06:26 <kamp> and not the weekend
06:26 <kamp> please not the weekend
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> Sunday's taken by the ladle, Thursday's taken by KOTG
06:27 <kamp> tuesdays?
06:27 <kamp> or wednesdays
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> I say Tuesday, with Sunday as backup
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> the ladle's only once a month, after all
06:27  * kamp has no idea about these other competitions
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> we might want to favor Sunday for same-continent games
06:28 <kamp> well
06:28 <kamp> i'm vehemently against the weekend
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> or the other way
06:28 <kamp> because this is work
06:28 <kamp> and it's the weekend
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, then don't worry about shit that happens on the weekend yourself :)
06:28 <kamp> ah
06:28 <kamp> sounds good
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> we also need to work out the flow of information
06:28 <kamp> ?
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> see, we make a schedule, we try to send out notifications to people about upcoming games, we do all that, right?
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> now what?
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> here's what I think.  We make a separate wiki page for each game, and put it on the calendar
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> this will be a *lot* of work for the regular season
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> it would be nice if we could automate that, luke-jr_ (hi there!) php guy
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06:29 <Lucifer_arma> after the game, the teams go to the page for their game and post the results
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> after all the games, one of us goes in and collects the information and maintains the standing pages
06:30 <kamp> the pages stay?
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> pages stay, yes
06:30 <kamp> maybe a page for each week, rather than each game
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> for specific-game issues, we'll probably want to use those pages
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> that might be better
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> that will certainly scale better to more teams/games
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> how about for each day games are scheduled?
06:31 <kamp> wouldn't that come out the same?
06:31 <kamp> except that games that bleed over, or whatever
06:31 <kamp> ok
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> also, there are two tasks that need to be done right now, really
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> a notes page on the wiki, someone needs to go through the thread on the forums and put everyone's name where they've volunteered to help
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> I guess that's really just one task the way I put it
06:33 <kamp> yea
06:33  * GodTodd volunteers to watch the discussion :D
06:33 <GodTodd> heh
06:33 <kamp> thanks GodTodd
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> we need to figure out the deadline for the july season and for the fall season for registering
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> the fall season also needs a payment due deadline
06:33 <kamp> july season
06:33 <GodTodd> always here to help kamp ;)
06:34 <kamp> since we're still working our way through it, we probably want at least a 3-4 weeks between the deadline for team registration and actual start of play
06:34 <kamp> i wish i had a calendar
06:34 <kamp> man i'm pissed at google calendar
06:35 <kamp> i got unlimited text messages
06:35 <kamp> and sms notifications aren't working
06:35 <kamp> registration deadline: June 11
06:35 <kamp> first game, july 3
06:36 <kamp> i guess, mini season, so only four teams, right?
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> there's a calendar on the competition hub page :)
06:36 <kamp> final, august 21
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> as many teams as sign up, but only 4 weeks of play
06:36 <kamp> oh
06:37 <kamp> so none of the play each team twice?
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> it won't be an "official" season, stats will be tracked (so we can collect data and write scripts to report on stats)
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> but not kept officially
06:37 <kamp> hmm
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> right, none of the play each team twice
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> just, as many games as are reasonable in the 4 weeks.  It's to test our processes and get some teams started
06:37 <Your_mom_arma> a page for each game-> condensed into a weekly page after said week-> condensed into a season page after the regular season with tournament info added later
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> we should expect most of the teams that play the july season to sign up for the fall season
06:38 <kamp> Your_mom_arma: that makes sense
06:38 <luke-jr_> I propose #armagetron have its own team
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> it makes sense, but it is a lot of work.  I was grimacing when I was thinking about how many pages would be needed to have one for each game
06:39 <GodTodd> i propose lame's a douche
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> also, if there's 100 games on a given day, the calendar on the wiki is going to fill up pretty badly
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> I propose GodTodd make his "lame" thing read "lame-jr" so we know who the fuck he's talking about
06:40 <Your_mom_arma> well you could just make a weekly page to start out with compress those into a season page
06:40 <kamp> luke-jr_: who would want to play with you?
06:40 <GodTodd> yeah...i should
06:40 <kamp> :P
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's what we're thinkign.  :)  The season page will be maintained weekly, and during the season it will provide current status report for people
06:41 <kamp> yea
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> at the end of the season, it'll just not be changed anymore and provide historical information :)
06:41 <kamp> what kind of stats would we be collecting
06:41 <kamp> (putting scheduling on hold for a sec)
06:41 <kamp> just team stats, or individual stats as well?
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> both, I was hoping, but collecting for individuals will be hard
06:41 <GodTodd> i propose lame-jr's a douche
06:41 <kamp> yea
06:41 <GodTodd> better? :D
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> we'd have to watch the games ourselves to get things like assists, fortress takes, etc.
06:42 <kamp> individual stats: kills, deaths, captures, points
06:42 <kamp> maybe we could make it the teams' responsibility, and their prerogative to decide whether or not to keep stats
06:42 <kamp> give out an mvp award at the end of the season
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> teams can certainly track their own stats, but I'd hate to see teams trying to game their stats
06:43 <kamp> but you can't be in the running, unless your stats are kept
06:43 <Your_mom_arma> idk about keeping track of individual player stats.
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> I was thinking an MVP award for each game, and each game MVP is an automatic nomination for the season
06:43 <kamp> yea Your_mom_arma, maybe we could just worry about this at the end of the whole shebang
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> we'd need to officiate to get player stats, or find a way to make the server collect them
06:43 <kamp> we can keep team stats
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> let's get team stats, though
06:44 <kamp> and when everything else is done, figure out individual stats
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> points each round, points per match, etc
06:44 <kamp> yea
06:44 <kamp> be interesting to see the differences between teams that are strong match finishers and whatnot
06:44 <kamp> heh
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> it would be nice to look at the championship contenders and say "<team 1> gave up an average of 60 points per match, while <team 2> only gave up an average of 20 points"
06:44  * Your_mom_arma proposes team stats per week then averaging them together for the season page
06:44 <kamp> figure out rpi ratings :)
06:45 <kamp> err
06:45 <kamp> for those that don't know about rpi, it's a college bball thing
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> at a certain level of team ability, the point spread should show the relative strengths/weaknesses of offense vs defense
06:45 <kamp> takes into account your team's record, the records of your opponents, and the records of your opponent's opponents
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> sounds like glicko-2
06:45 <kamp> what's glicko-2?
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> ask luke-jr_ (hi there!) 
06:46 <kamp> blah
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> not that he can answer, but he's implemented it for arma logs!  :)
06:46 <kamp> i'll just google it
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> maybe we can get him to modify it for rounds only and consider teams?
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> so how do we figure ranking?
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> there's no tie!
06:46 <kamp> similar to elo?
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> 'splain elo
06:47 <kamp> elo ratings
06:47 <kamp> used in chess
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> you know, we could make it 4 matches and allow ties
06:48 <kamp> i never understodd it, myself
06:48 <DrJoeTron> ew
06:48 <DrJoeTron> elo
06:48 <kamp> yea
06:48 <kamp> pretty much what i say
06:49 <kamp> i never rose much higher than 1000 myself
06:49 <kamp> which is pretty bad
06:49 <DrJoeTron> nooo
06:49 <DrJoeTron> im talking about the band
06:49 <kamp> ...
06:49 <DrJoeTron> electric light orchestra?
06:49 <kamp> all right
06:49 <kamp> oh
06:49 <kamp> never heard it
06:49 <DrJoeTron> good
06:49 <kamp> seen it a lot though
06:49 <kamp> the albums
06:49 <kamp> at spec's
06:50 <kamp> back to scheduling then
06:50 <kamp> the miniseason...
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think elo will work
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> too complicated :)
06:50 <kamp> we should lay down a law that registration for the preseason implies registration for the season
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> you mean registration for the july run implies registration for the fall?
06:51 <kamp> yea
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> no.  :)
06:51 <kamp> why not?
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> The july run is free, the fall run will require teams to put up money
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> we might give a free run to the 'champion' in the summer, though
06:51 <kamp> well
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> the july thing is one-time, we won't do it next year unless there's real demand for it
06:52 <kamp> ah
06:52 <kamp> o
06:52 <kamp> k
06:52 <kamp> :)
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> it's for us to test, so when the real season starts, we know what we're doing (approximately) :)
06:53 <kamp> yea
06:53 <kamp> i get that
06:53 <kamp> maybe not quite that
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> I have to say, I like the idea of a game being 4 matches and allowing ties
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> any objection to allowing ties?
06:53 <kamp> imply that when they register for july that we expect them to register in the fall
06:53 <kamp> nah
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> when sorting out rank, we can always look at scores during the ties to sort them out :)
06:53 <kamp> yea
06:54 <kamp> head to head solves ties
06:54 <kamp> we can make it so every team has two home and two away games
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> during the summer?
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> or during the game?
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> where two matches are home and the other two are away?
06:54 <kamp> that'll *sorta* solve the fact that they're not playing two gaems against each team
06:54 <kamp> nah
06:54 <kamp> during the summer
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, if we do that then we don't have to do two games per team
06:55 <kamp> exactly
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> because the away/home thing is sorted out
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> I mean during the fall too :)
06:55 <kamp> nah
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> but then we can't use away/home to resolve schedule conflicts
06:55 <kamp> we have more time and more leeway in the fall
06:55 <kamp> the original idea was good for the fall
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> the real question is, is it more fair to play 2 separate home/away games, or to play 2 matches home and 2 away in the same game?
06:56 <kamp> the first
06:56 <GodTodd> ok...chem is done...now i need to research john edwards :/
06:56 <kamp> the second brings up strange questions
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know if I agree, but I really like home/away games, so we can go with that :)
06:56 <Your_mom_arma> former presidential canidate GodTodd?
06:56 <kamp> like connection issues (hope not, but you never know), fatigue ( i guess), some other things
06:56 <GodTodd> yep
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> we'll try to encourage teams to make their own servers for real
06:56 <kamp> yea
06:57 <GodTodd> and according to my govt teacher, future pres candidate too
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> just like they do in pro sports, each team provides their own field :)
06:57 <kamp> yea, he's already campaigning for the next one
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> he's running right now
06:57 <GodTodd> yep
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> ah, your teacher thinks he'll win the primary?
06:57 <GodTodd> and i have to convince people to vote for him
06:57 <kamp> Lucifer_arma: that'd also encourage the teams to localize
06:57 <GodTodd> no...she chose the top 3 from each party
06:57 <Your_mom_arma> our next president is either obama or clinton
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> kamp: I don't object to that, there are advantages to team localizing
06:57 <kamp> a lot of advantages
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: nah, obama's going to get mudslinged to death in the primaries because he's such a strong candidate, just like Howard Dean did
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> kamp: the main thing is to handle team localizing in a way that doesn't fuck them in the whole competition, which woudl be TWC's mistake
06:58 <GodTodd> yeah...i don't think clinton or obama will win
06:59 <Your_mom_arma> :( its true...  Still I prefer him over hillary
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: I'd vote for obama in a heartbeat, though
06:59 <kamp> Lucifer_arma: it's not a big deal either way, like individual stats, we can wait for that to happen
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> easily, no contest, the chances the republicans will be able to beat him with what they've got in the wings right now are very slim, imo.  at least as far as my vote is concerned.
06:59 <Your_mom_arma> its certainly not going to be gulianni
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> kamp: yeah, we have to plan to provide servers right now.
06:59 <kamp> how is that working out anyway?
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> we've got z-man, wrtlprnft, and joe at least
07:00 <DrJoeTron> Support illinois!
07:00 <Your_mom_arma> who do you think is going to win GodTodd?
07:00 <DrJoeTron> vote obama~!
07:00 <DrJoeTron> :D
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> I thought there was at least one more server offered
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> mine too, of course
07:00 <GodTodd> honestly, i don't know yet :)
07:00 <GodTodd> i refuse to vote for a lizard tho heh
07:00 <Your_mom_arma> hmm?
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> you wouldn't vote for Mozilla?
07:00 <GodTodd> newt
07:00 <GodTodd> gingrich
07:00 <kamp> oh
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> no newt is good newt
07:01 <kamp> i thought you were making a very nice douglas adams reference, GodTodd
07:01 <GodTodd> they turned him into a newt but he hasn't gotten any better
07:01 <GodTodd> kamp:): that too ;)
07:01 <Your_mom_arma> lets all vote green party!
07:01 <GodTodd> are they lizards too?
07:01 <GodTodd> or veggies?
07:01 <kamp> is the pirate party still in existence?
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> weren't they outlawed finally?
07:02 <GodTodd> i wanna vote for the mothers of invention
07:02  * Lucifer_arma has a pirate sticker on his car
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> ok, DrJoeTron (hi there!) 
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> what do you think?
07:02 <kamp> you know
07:02 <kamp> four weeks of play works for five teams
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> Armagetron Fortress League *or* Regular Old Fortress League
07:02 <kamp> but then the playoffs are messed up
07:02 <kamp> unless high seed garners a bye week
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> we can chop 'em
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> I was thinking regardless of number of teams, we just do 4 for the playoffs
07:03 <kamp> oh, drop the low guy?
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> any reason we shouldn't do that?
07:03 <kamp> nah, makes sense
07:03 <kamp> bye weeks are needlessly complicated
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> we'll try to be all inclusive during the fall, up to a max of 8
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> i.e. if we have 10 teams, 8 make the playoffs, 2 make the fuckoffs
07:03 <kamp> and it'd be best for the kiddies that they play every week... or they'll likely forget
07:03 <kamp> i know i would
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> if we have 16 teams, we can play them all against each other
07:04 <kamp> nah
07:04 <kamp> over ten, you need to start cutting teams off from the playoffs
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> it'd be nice to get a final four setup going, that's cool :)
07:04 <kamp> if you have 16 teams, another option would be to make two parallel playoffs happening
07:05 <kamp> of 8 teams apiece, pit the survivor from each for a champ
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> let's just plan for an 8-team playoff for now :)
07:05 <kamp> yea
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> we can change that if registration skyrockets unpredictably
07:05 <kamp> lol
07:05 <kamp> pretty much
07:05 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma when do you want that shirt done by?
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> and 4-team playoff for the july thing
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: asap, but pick a name!
07:06 <kamp> pick armagetron fortress league
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> Armagetron Fortress League or Regular Old Fortress League are the two contenders
07:06 <DrJoeTron> i thought we decided on armagetron fortress league?
07:06 <DrJoeTron> nah
07:06 <DrJoeTron> AFL
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> we'd have settled on AFL already if I wasn't pushing ROFL :)
07:06 <kamp> the docta has spoken
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I go start making wiki pages in a minute, after this cigarette :)
07:06 <DrJoeTron> i'll try and get the graphic done this weekend
07:07 <kamp> what's the graphic going to be, anyway?
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> whatever silly thing joe fancies, I imagine :)
07:07 <kamp> oh no
07:07 <DrJoeTron> i got a good one
07:07 <DrJoeTron> as stated last night
07:07 <DrJoeTron> its going to be done in mspaint
07:08 <kamp> wow
07:08 <DrJoeTron> its going to have a guy standing there
07:08 <DrJoeTron> in back of him a giant wall thats been sticking out of him, 
07:08 <DrJoeTron> and theres debris and blood behind him
07:08 <kamp> ..................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
07:08 <kamp> what the hell?
07:08 <DrJoeTron> hell yeah
07:08 <DrJoeTron> its going to be epic
07:08 <kamp> what
07:08 <kamp> the 
07:08 <kamp> hell?
07:08 <kamp> in mspaint
07:09 <DrJoeTron> you've never seen my mspaint drawings?
07:09 <kamp> i don't want to
07:09 <DrJoeTron> better not go to the boards then
07:09 <DrJoeTron> they're in every horrible post
07:09 <kamp> i try and stick to the good ones
07:09 <DrJoeTron> i turn them into good
07:10 <kamp> glicko system
07:10 <kamp> i hate rating systems that work on what you expect to happen
07:11 <kamp> i prefer the systems that are more stat-based, though they both have their pros
07:11 <DrJoeTron> this is what i should Lucifer_arma. its a very very general idea of what its to be
07:11 <DrJoeTron> showed***
07:12 <kamp> ...
07:12 <kamp> i hate you, you know that?
07:12 <DrJoeTron> you fucking better
07:13 <kamp> anyway
07:13 <kamp> i'm not participating either way
07:13 <kamp> so what does the prize matter to me
07:13 <DrJoeTron> exactly
07:14 <DrJoeTron> don't buy it if you don't want it
07:14 <DrJoeTron> im gona buy one
07:14 <DrJoeTron> i'd never wear it
07:14 <DrJoeTron> because its armagetron
07:14 <kamp> haha
07:14 <kamp> pretty much
07:16 <kamp> someday, we just need a logo
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> ok, on the wiki now :)
07:16 <kamp> have fun
07:16 <kamp> i'll look at it tomorrow at work
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> we do need a generic logo, some stylized AFL thing with a cool little graphic
07:16 <kamp> i'm going to sleep
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> 'night
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07:16 <Lucifer_arma> and it needs to be on every fucking thing we do :)
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07:28 <kamp> Lucifer_arma: one last thing
07:28 <kamp> are you making wiki pages?
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
07:29 <kamp> are they going to be visible tomorrow?
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> visible right now
07:29  * Lucifer_arma works in the open
07:29 <kamp> all right then
07:29 <kamp> i'll check em out
07:29 <kamp> domanni
07:29 <kamp> peace
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> ko
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07:29 <Lucifer_arma> knight
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08:01 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.bbspot.com/News/2001/10/anthrax.html  <--- a little late, but bahahahaha
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> "Thankfully there haven't been any outbreaks of Metallica since 1991."
08:03 <GodTodd> haha
08:03 <GodTodd> I just pray to God that the Center for Disease Control is developing a Stryper vaccine, or we all could be at risk."
08:06 <GodTodd> hrmm...what was the name of the slayer album from '96?
08:07 <GodTodd> ahhh...undisputed attitude
08:07 <GodTodd> nm :)
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> heh
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> stryper
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> man, just saying stryper makes me think of butterscotch candies, because they had drums that looked like the butterscotch candies I was eating at the time
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm 22% white and nerdy
08:10 <GodTodd> haha
08:10 <GodTodd> just 22%?
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.bbspot.com/News/2006/09/white-and-nerdy-quiz.php
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> yep
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> probably would have been lower if I wasn't in calc 4
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> (it's vector calculus, heh)
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08:11 <DrJoeTron> i really like the tub :)
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08:11 <DrJoeTron> i think i did a damn good job on it
08:13 <GodTodd> 46% :/
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08:47 <Lucifer_arma> nerd!
08:47  * Lucifer_arma just read the worst web comic in history
08:48 <GodTodd> joe has one now? :D
08:48 <Your_mom_arm1> joe's had a webcomic
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> heh
08:48 <Your_mom_arm1> it was pretty awful
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> he had that weird one with sprites
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> mega-man, etc
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm going to setup my scanner and see if it still works
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> if it does, I'm probably going to start a stickman comic :)
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.brokennewz.com/2008election/
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> As the one time leading candidate to be John Kerry’s Vice Presidential running mate McCain is seeking to remake himself into part GOP elephant and part Democrat donkey. Some people say that makes him a ‘half assed’ candidate.
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09:09 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: ping?
09:09 <GodTodd> for a couple: pong
09:09 <Lucifer_arma> if you remember how to ssh into my server, the tablature is copying over right now
09:10 <Lucifer_arma> it's final destination is /home/share/music/tablature
09:11 <GodTodd> hrmm...somehow my login info isnt in the client :/ you don't happen to have my pwd for it do you?
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> hah
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> o
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> er
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> no
09:12 <GodTodd> bah...didn't figure
09:12  * Lucifer_arma tries to remember how to set a password from a terminal
09:12 <GodTodd> heh
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> ok, it's finished copying
09:18 <Lucifer_arma> yay for old backups!  :)
09:19  * GodTodd loves finding stuff in old backups....found a bunch of writing programs the other day.
09:19 <Lucifer_arma> heh
09:19 <Lucifer_arma> well, there's more irony with this CD, besides the fact that I found it tonight *in my cdrom drive*
09:20 <GodTodd> haha
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> it's the one I originally gave to nick, and he brought it back after seeing more tabs on olga a few months later, saying keeping it up to date was hopeless
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> it's still got "tablature" in his hand-writing on it
09:20 <GodTodd> heh
09:21 <GodTodd> i might actually get some practice time in this next week
09:21 <GodTodd> :)
09:21 <Lucifer_arma> :)
09:21 <GodTodd> yay for spring break
09:21 <GodTodd> heh
09:21 <Lucifer_arma> you might want to take the lesson and burn off a copy for yourself ;)
09:21 <GodTodd> probably will
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.makers.guitar.tablature/topics  <-- for more tabs
09:24 <GodTodd> yeah...i have a few other bookmarks too
09:24 <GodTodd> they drop every now and again as they get cease and desist letters
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> last time I sat in on a usenet tab group it was 99.9% requests and 0.1% spam
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> I did throw up my own version of the star spangled banner, though
09:25 <GodTodd> cool :)
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> it's not terribly creative, but it sounds nice ;)
09:25 <GodTodd> heh
09:25 <GodTodd> didn't randy brown do that at an assembly in high school once and everyone freaked?
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> now, where did I put the plugs for this scanner?
09:26  * GodTodd seems to remember that...
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, he did
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> some uptight teacher pitched a fit over it, I forget who
09:26 <GodTodd> yeah
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> the kids loved it, though
09:26 <GodTodd> it wasn't bad, as i remember it :)
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> I still don't get how it's such a bad thing to play that particular song on an electric guitar
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> but whatever, I don't think I'll ever understand that
09:27 <GodTodd> dunno...jimi did ok on it ;)
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> man, I do this thing where for the rockets' red glare part I throw it down in power chords
09:28 <GodTodd> power chords rule
09:28 <Lucifer_arma> it's right in the range for really sweet power chords :)
09:28 <GodTodd> i should probably learn chords pretty well, eh?
09:28 <Lucifer_arma> iirc the sequences starts on E, so if you play it based on the A string at fret 7 it sounds nice
09:28 <Lucifer_arma> scales, focus on scales
09:28 <GodTodd> ah ok
09:28 <Lucifer_arma> chords are constructed from scales, so understand scales
09:28 <GodTodd> makes sense :)
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> basically, you pick out 3-4 notes from a scale, play them at the same time, and you have a chord
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> if you know some shit I don't remember anymore, you can even name it
09:29 <GodTodd> heh
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> so know one or two scales, be familiar with what some of the others look like (even if you can't rip them out)
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> then you'll tear up chords and learn new ones like there's no tomorrow
09:29 <GodTodd> cool
09:31 <GodTodd> wow...still 'calculating directory size' heh
09:31 <Lucifer_arma> there's a Scales directory in that tab directory
09:31 <GodTodd> good :)
09:31 <Lucifer_arma> it's a ton of small files
09:31 <Lucifer_arma> really.  The whole CD is only like 20 MB
09:31 <GodTodd> yeah...tabs are itty bitty
09:31 <Lucifer_arma> if you want, I can tarball it up real quick
09:31 <GodTodd> nah...this is cool
09:32 <GodTodd> looks like it's counted about a quarter of it
09:32 <GodTodd> it's at approx 6MB
09:32 <GodTodd> it's at the olgacountry directory
09:33 <Lucifer_arma> er, 243MB
09:33 <Lucifer_arma> I just checked
09:33 <Lucifer_arma> let me tarball it real quick
09:33 <GodTodd> heh
09:35 <Lucifer_arma> ok, recheck /home/share/music
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> there's a tablature.tar.gz file that's only 78M
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> you'll need something that can decompress it, like 7-zip
09:36 <GodTodd> yeah i have stuff to deal with tarballs
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> but it's better than waiting all night hoping it doesn't drop connection while sizing the directory :)
09:37  * Lucifer_arma needs to sort through that directory some time, there's a whole lot of cruft in it
09:37 <GodTodd> hrmm...don't see the tar
09:37 <GodTodd> nm
09:37 <GodTodd> refreshed
09:39 <GodTodd> says it'll take about half an hour
09:40 <Lucifer_arma> took all night when I made the mirror originally :)
09:40 <GodTodd> heh
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10:07 <Lucifer_arma> GIMP doesn't handle scanner anymore?
10:08 <spidey> this is gonna be un-fun
10:08 <spidey> :(
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> aha, have to install some more packages
10:09 <spidey> i have to make 1 control panel for every game on our dedicated server :(
10:09 <Lucifer_arma> if this works, though, I'm going to have to dig up my other usb cable.  I borrowed the one from my laser printer
10:09 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: server for arma?
10:09 <spidey> ?
10:09 <spidey> it's dedicated
10:09 <spidey> we run 3 games, apache and mysql on it
10:09 <Lucifer_arma> oh, you mean general purpose dedicated server
10:10 <spidey> .....
10:10 <spidey> and i have to make a control panel to edit stuff/ view logs for every game on it :/
10:11 <spidey> i'm just happy the forums are back
10:11 <spidey> try copy/pasting 16mb of .sql :|
10:12 <spidey> stupid phpmyadmin doesn't have a import option in the new version!
10:12 <spidey> you can upload a .sql db, but it can only be 2mb
10:15 <spidey> i'm in a good mood
10:15 <spidey> so i'ma read my phpbooks
10:16 <spidey> if the pot lasts long enough i'll read all my C books to :D:D
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10:17 <spidey> lol
10:20 <Lucifer_arma> yay, scanner works
10:20 <spidey> can i have it?
10:21 <spidey> shit
10:21 <spidey> fish sticks burning, brb :O
10:21 <Lucifer_arma> now, why would I go through all the trouble of seeing if it works just to give it to you?
10:23 <deja_vu_> spidey: 
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10:25 <spidey> deja_vu, what do you want?
10:25 <deja_vu> money
10:26 <spidey> ok
10:26 <deja_vu> uhm... and some coffee maybe
10:26 <spidey> i give you 2 ones and you give me a 5
10:26  * deja_vu hands spidey 5 cent
10:27  * spidey hands deja_vu 1 and runs off
10:27 <spidey> :O
10:27  * deja_vu catches spidey and grinds him to coffee
10:27 <spidey> hey, no fair!
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10:29 <spidey> hi
10:29 <Angel-H> hi :)
10:30 <Lucifer_arma> ok, cool, now, what do I call my web comic?
10:30  * Lucifer_arma just cleaned off his scanner, it'll be good enough
10:30 <spidey> ??
10:30 <spidey> o.O
10:31 <Lucifer_arma> well, the glass is a little scratched and pitted in places
10:31 <Lucifer_arma> but I think I can live with it
10:31 <Lucifer_arma> it sat in the bottom of my closet for awhile with plastic boxes and who knows what else being stacked on it
10:32 <Angel-H> Lucifer i would give you my scanner if you lived nearer :P
10:33 <Lucifer_arma> :)  ty
10:33 <Lucifer_arma> you should see my crappy drawing before you make such an offer!  ;)
10:33 <Angel-H> i would happily send it you, but me thinks that would cost more than buying a new one :P
10:33 <Lucifer_arma> more than likely
10:33 <Angel-H> i would love to see it 
10:33 <Lucifer_arma> if I do a good web comic, though, being able to afford a scanner will be the least of my worries
10:34 <Lucifer_arma> I've got 4 characters in mind in two separate plotlines, so it won't just be the emo kid and the terrorist
10:35 <Angel-H> sound sinteresting and i want to see it, so get scanning :P
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> I've gotta draw some strips first :)
10:37 <Angel-H> i assumed it was all done and just needed scanning, doh :P and i would love to be able to draw, it takes tonnes of talent and confidence
10:38 <Lucifer_arma> well, see, I can't draw, really.  I mean, occasionally something I draw looks almost recognizable
10:38 <Lucifer_arma> but I read a stickman comic that ws almost funny most of the time, and really funny the rest of the time
10:39 <Lucifer_arma> and I went and read the guy's commentary on it and thought "I can do that!"
10:39 <Angel-H> thats where the confidence part somes in :)
10:40 <Angel-H> comes even :P
10:40 <Angel-H> ive got a dyslexic keyboard :P
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> it's ok.  I've got a dyslexic brain, so I didn't even notice
10:42 <Angel-H> :)
10:42  * Angel-H really wants to give you her scanner, its brand new and i have another new one :)
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10:51 <Lackadaisical> hi
10:51 <Lucifer_arma> hi Lackadaisical (hi there!) 
10:51 <Lackadaisical> um.. does anyone know if textures are already available for the cockpit?
10:52 <Lackadaisical> because they are mentioned in the wiki article but not explained how you should use them
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10:53 <Lucifer_arma> Lackadaisical: I don't remember, better ask wrtlprnft (hi there!) 
10:53 <Lackadaisical> hi!
10:53 <Lucifer_arma> I think he did some work to make it possible, but hasn't yet
10:53 <Lucifer_arma> he might be waiting for me to do some miscellaneous resource work first
10:54 <Lackadaisical> ah ok, guess i'll ask him when he's here
10:55 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's been on my todo-list for quite awhile now to add zipped resource formats and linking to external files, I just haven't gotten a round tuit
10:56 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I need to finish cleaning off my desk so I can put my scanner on it :)
10:56 <Lackadaisical> gl :)
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11:07 <z-man-work> Lucifer_arma: DSWC would be consistent :)
11:08 <Lucifer_arma> dswc?  huh?
11:08 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh
11:08 <Lucifer_arma> dave's stupid web comic :)
11:08  * Lucifer_arma is a little slow at 4am
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> now that I've moved my scanner, it's broke again!  :(
11:17 <spidey> HAHA
11:17 <spidey> -cap
11:17 <spidey> everytime i come out of a fullscreen game my caps lock key sticks :/
11:18 <Lucifer_arma> damn thing's temperamental
11:18  * Lucifer_arma hopes his web comic is a hit so he can buy a new scanner
11:20 <Lucifer_arma> it's pretty sad when you're trying on the clothes you got for christmas in the first part of march
11:20 <spidey> lol
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> man, my wife will *never* let me leave the house looking like this
11:24  * Lucifer_arma should take a picture
11:24 <spidey> rofl
11:24 <Lucifer_arma> long sleeves, so my motorcycle scars are all covered up
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> I can't believe nobody liked Regular Old Fortress League :(
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> I like the black shirt a lot.  I haven't had a good nice-looking black shirt in years
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> hell, if I had a black tie to put under it, I might even wear it
11:31 <Lucifer_arma> now, I'll go bury them in the bottom of the laundry pile and tell my wife about them, and we'll see how long before the laundry gets done :)
11:38 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.bbspot.com/News/BBloopers/2006/02/2029.php
11:39 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.bbspot.com/News/BBloopers/2006/02/2019.php
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12:41 <z-man-work> Lucifer_arma: I didn't say I don't like Regular Olf Fortress League. I like naming new things "Old" from the start :)
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14:33 <wrtlprnft> Lackadaisical: no, they aren't :(
14:33 <wrtlprnft> you'd need to be able to store binary data in resources for that.
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15:53 <epsy> hi
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17:10 <luke-jr|work> wifi sux
17:32 <xfroggy> amen!
17:43 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/HIM/race/speed_race-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by HIM
17:45 <epsy> luke-jr|work, what about ftp ?
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18:17 <luke-jr|work> epsy: ...
18:17 <luke-jr|work> epsy: wtf are you talking about?
18:25 <epsy> luke-jr|work, no, nothing
18:25 <luke-jr|work> ...
18:25 <epsy> …
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19:22 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
19:22 <armabot> Vanhayes: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (8 players) || GEMINI PROJECT (6 players) || {Delicious Desserts} Custom Map (6 players) || °¯ps Arena ~~~ Team Sumo ~~~ (6 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (5 players) || Strawberry Fields (5 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬ (5 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (4 players) || The Tavern (4 players) || Norm's Place (3 players) || ~"XzL.Clan (1 more message)
19:22 <Vanhayes> #serverinfo cafe
19:22 <armabot> Vanhayes: Fortress Café: No online players.
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20:18 <Lucifer_arma> owwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
20:19 <luke-jr|work> ...
20:19 <GodTodd> well don't do that then
20:20 <Lucifer_arma> it's my leg, heh.  From working out
20:20 <Lucifer_arma> I hope the little pain today means I won't have any pain tomorrow
20:21 <Lucifer_arma> I've been having pretty bad pains in my hamstrings on saturdays, so I've been working my hamstrings during the week to strengthen them,
20:21 <Lucifer_arma> figuring they won't hurt so much/at all if I buff them up a bit
20:22 <Lucifer_arma> so today the hamstrings feel fine, but the muscle they're attached to is hurting :)
20:23 <GodTodd> heh
20:26 <GodTodd> yay! joe's garage is going on the hdd now :)
20:29 <Lucifer_arma> but they don't have no dope or lsd!
20:30 <GodTodd> man...i haven't heard that cd in a long time :/
20:31 <Lucifer_arma> this is the central scrutinizer again.
20:32 <Lucifer_arma> well, my wife just went off to take her college algebra mid-term
20:32 <GodTodd> the white zone is for loading and unloading
20:32 <GodTodd> ahhh
20:32 <GodTodd> college algebra was fun
20:32 <Lucifer_arma> now my 3yo is showing me the butts on all of his toys
20:32 <Lucifer_arma> actually, he's got an ape duking it out with Darth Tater
20:33 <GodTodd> darth tater will win
20:33 <Lucifer_arma> nope, darth tater's getting dissassembled.  Must be Number 5.
20:34 <GodTodd> that reminds me of when i didn't know to be scared or proud when i found a bunch of tommy's stuffed toys with surgically removed hands once
20:34 <Lucifer_arma> haha
20:35 <GodTodd> hey! armabot's theme song
20:35 <GodTodd> :)
20:35 <GodTodd> fembot in a wet t-shirt
20:45 <Lucifer_arma> heh
20:45 <Lucifer_arma> but to get a really good one you'll have to learn a foreign language
20:47 <GodTodd> ?
20:47 <Lucifer_arma> I guess that's in a different song
20:48 <Lucifer_arma> where, ironically, he says the best sex toys speak german
20:48 <Lucifer_arma> armabot: do you speak german?
20:48 <armabot> Another day...
20:48 <GodTodd> ahhh
20:48 <GodTodd> i remember that
20:48 <GodTodd> heh
20:49 <GodTodd> my balls feel like a pair of maracas :/
20:51 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I told my wife we had chlamydia by singing "Why does it hurt when I pee?" while I was peeing
20:51 <GodTodd> the german thing is in stick it out, isn't it?
20:51 <GodTodd> heh
20:52 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
20:52 <Lucifer_arma> man, 3 year olds are the happiest people in the world
20:52 <Lucifer_arma> I have to go play fussball with him, bbiab
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20:53 <GodTodd> nonono...actually that line is in A Token Of My Extreme
20:53 <GodTodd> then leads into stick it out
20:53 <GodTodd> :)
20:53 <GodTodd> there we go
20:53 <GodTodd> looked it up
20:53 <GodTodd> heh
20:58 <Lucifer_arma> we're not gonna take it, no we ain't gonna take it, we're not gonna take it anymore!
20:59 <GodTodd> heh
21:02 <Lucifer_arma> you're all worthless and weak, now drop and give me 20!
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21:14 <Lucifer_arma> damn, when was this song written?
21:15 <GodTodd> which?
21:15 <spidey> i think it's funny to give your clan members admin on a server and say have fun with it
21:15 <Lucifer_arma> Rockin' in the Free World
21:15 <Lucifer_arma> it's the Neil Young version, not neil young w/Pearl Jam
21:16 <Lucifer_arma> but the last verse refers to Bush's thousand points of light, and I just thought it was an older song
21:17 <GodTodd> "Rockin' in the Free World" is a song by Neil Young, released on his 1989 record Freedom. 
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21:18 <GodTodd> The lyrics of the song also criticize the administration of George H. W. Bush. The line "We got a thousand points of light / For the homeless man" refers to Bush's famous use of the phrase "a thousand points of light" in a call for volunteerism. The following line "We got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand" is a cynical take on another of his phrases: during the 1988 U.S. Presidential campaign, he called for "a kinder and gentler n
21:18 <GodTodd> ation."
21:18 <GodTodd> heh
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21:30 <Lucifer_arma> I want to figure out the bass line for The Stranger
21:30 <GodTodd> billy joel?
21:30 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
21:30 <Lucifer_arma> oddly enough it's one of his lesser known songs :(
21:31 <GodTodd> i think i have a chord/piano book with it
21:31 <GodTodd> dunno about bass line
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21:31 <Lucifer_arma> bass line's pretty intense
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21:32 <GodTodd> yeah the only book i have with it is the piano/vocal/guitar
21:33 <GodTodd> heh
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21:34 <Lucifer_arma> I figured out the intro on my guitar one time
21:34 <Lucifer_arma> I can still play it, but I have to think about it pretty hard
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21:35 <spidey> wrtlprnft, Lucifer_arma ping
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21:35 <Lucifer_arma> WHAT?!?!?
21:35 <spidey> i'm about to start working on a control panel for all the games we have on the dedicated server
21:35 <spidey> but i have 1 problem i can't work around :/
21:35 <Lucifer_arma> congratulations!
21:35 <Lucifer_arma> er
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21:36 <Lucifer_away> heh
21:36 -!- Lucifer_away is now known as Lucifer_arma
21:36 <Lucifer_arma> ok, what's the problem?
21:36 <spidey> how do i get the PID of the proccess for the exact server i want the stop/restart for
21:36 <Lucifer_arma> write it to a file when you start the server, then read that file
21:36 <spidey> i can't just do exec('killall blahblah') because there'll be more than one
21:37 <spidey> oh, k
21:37 <Lucifer_arma> look at the arma init script for an example of how to write it to a file
21:37 <spidey> k
21:39 <GodTodd> tell him no
21:39 <GodTodd> don't let him tell you what to do
21:39 <GodTodd> :D
21:41 <Lucifer_arma> tell godtodd to enjoy the taste of my left nut
21:41 <GodTodd> i gotta move?
21:41 <spidey> haha
21:41 <GodTodd> i prefer the right one
21:42 <Lucifer_arma> but that ones luke's, because he's always right!
21:42 <GodTodd> maybe we can share and make out a little too ;)
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21:42 <Lucifer_arma> heh
21:47 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, which file O.o
21:47  * spidey extracted a autopackage because it wouldn't install
22:02 <Lucifer_arma> er
22:02 <Lucifer_arma> hang on
22:03 <Lucifer_arma> http://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/batch/rcd_startstop.in
22:03 <Lucifer_arma> it's a little hard to read though
22:04 <Lucifer_arma> http://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/batch/serverstarter.in
22:04 <Lucifer_arma> there's a line in there that does it too
22:06 <spidey> yea
22:06 <spidey> i read them
22:06 <spidey> btw, how do you install a .rpm on debian?
22:09 <spidey> nvm :D
22:11 <epsy> spidey, alien
22:11 <spidey> yea
22:11 <spidey> root@zion:/home# alien -d armagetronad-dedicated-
22:11 <spidey> :P
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> Where's MrBougo when you need him?
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.bbspot.com/News/BBloopers/2005/07/1593.php
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.bbspot.com/News/BBloopers/2005/07/1569.php  <--- hahahahaha
22:35 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, i hate wikis :(
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> that's good, because wikis hate you
22:35 <spidey> is there a page that shows how to install a tron server in linux?
22:35 <spidey> with custom directories
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> probably not
22:36 <spidey> :/
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> how custom do you want them to be?
22:37 <spidey> mostly everything be in /home/armagetron
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> if you build from source, you can just ./configure --prefix=
22:37 <spidey> hmm
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> I think the autopackage will let you specify where to put it, but if not, you can su armagetron and install it
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> to your home directory :)
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> (Because after you su armagetron, your home directory is armagetron)
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> the server builds easily, you just need libxml2 iirc
22:39 <spidey> installing libxml2
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> my wife needs to hurry up, I've gotta go to my physics class in a bit
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> install libxml2-dev also :)
22:39 <spidey> k
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> you might need something like glibc-dev, but I've never needed to isntall something like that
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> usually it's in the base system
22:40 <Lucifer_arma> I'd also recommend you use an svn checkout to build
22:40 <Lucifer_arma> if you're going to build from source, it's generally easiest to upgrade/update from an svn checkout than a source tarball
22:40 <spidey> 0% [Connecting to mirrors.kernel.org (]   <--- won't go past that :/
22:40 <Lucifer_arma> but for that you need automake installed
22:40 <spidey> it is i think
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22:41 <spidey> i'ma have to download the libxml2  deb and install it
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22:42 <spidey> aptitude's being moody :|
22:42 <Xell> Hello
22:43 <madmax|pt> hi
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22:44 <spidey> #list alias
22:44 <armabot> spidey: add, armabot, armaconfig, bigbrother, bug, chatlog, check, damn, dance, date, die, die, digg, do, eliza, f, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, ircstats, joke, kill, lastseen, legit, lock, log, log, luke, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, onlineplayers, onlineservers, pacman, piong, poing, praise, q, realchatlogs, remove, resources, rou, roulette, roulete, rules, (1 more message)
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22:44 <Xelly> grr it's owned.
22:46 <spidey> #resources
22:46 <armabot> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/
22:46 <spidey> #more
22:46 <armabot> spidey: serverdetails, serverinfo, svn, t, uberinsult, unlock, whoareyou, and wikipedia
22:46 <spidey> #svn
22:46 <armabot> svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname> (more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN )
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22:53 <spidey> i don't need subversion-tools do i?
22:54 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, 
22:54 <spidey> svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad'
22:54 <spidey> svn: PROPFIND of '/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad': Server certificate verification failed: issuer is not trusted (https://svn.sourceforge.net)
23:01 <[dlh]> #alias add svn echo svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad
23:01 <armabot> [dlh]: The operation succeeded.
23:01 <[dlh]> #svn
23:01 <armabot> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad
23:02 <spidey> [dlh], says the samething
23:02 <[dlh]> #alias add svn echo svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname>(more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN)
23:02 <armabot> [dlh]: The operation succeeded.
23:03 <spidey> nvm, got it :O
23:18 <spidey> i just got a shitload of errors when i ran bootstrap.sh
23:18 <spidey> O.o
23:25 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, need boostlib to :P
23:25 <_Sticky_> #serverinfo cafe
23:25 <armabot> _Sticky_: Fortress Café: Players (6/32): G5, Player 1, Radian, [1[[1O, °¯AshitakA, °°RageLord
23:32 <spidey> O.o
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23:38 <spidey> ?
23:38 <ghableska> ?
23:38 <madmax|pt> ?
23:38 <spidey> wrong window
23:38 <ghableska> heh
23:40 <GodTodd> wodniw gnorw
23:45 <ghableska> #weather 50266
23:45 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 50.9°F (4:41 PM CST on March 08, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 35.6°F. Pressure: 28.99 in 981.6 hPa. 
23:45 <ghableska> :o!
23:45 <spidey> #weather 38256
23:45 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in Paris, Tennessee is 65.5°F (4:46 PM CST on March 08, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 37.4°F. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa. 
23:45 <ghableska> it's above freezing!
23:45 <spidey> haha
23:46 <ghableska> #dance
23:46 <armabot> ghableska does the 'I killed chat' dance.
23:46 <luke-jr|work> foo
23:46 <spidey> ..
23:46 <spidey> luke-jr|work, join #fa :P
23:46 <luke-jr|work> done
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23:48 <kamp> ...
23:48 <kamp> hi
23:48 <ghableska> hey kamp
23:48 <kamp> what's up?>
23:48 <ghableska> it's above freezing here :D
23:49 <kamp> it was hot today
23:49 <kamp> summer's here!
23:49 <kamp> spring break starts tomorrow
23:49 <kamp> life is good again
23:49  * ghableska has spring break in exactly one week
23:50 <kamp> sucks to be you
23:50 <kamp> because it won't be spring by then!
23:50 <kamp> you should come down to gainesville
23:51 <ghableska> nah
23:52 <kamp> aw, why not?
23:52 <kamp> it's nice
23:52 <kamp> the temperature is over freezing
23:52 <kamp> :)
23:53  * ghableska is going to sleep during spring break
23:53 <kamp> hahaha
23:53 <kamp> i'm not
23:53 <kamp> :)
23:53 <kamp> probably come out more tired than i came in
23:53 <kamp> sleep is for class, vacation is for good times
23:54 <ghableska> lol
23:54 <kamp> where are you going to school anyway?
23:55 <ghableska> high school?
23:56 <kamp> oh
23:56 <kamp> get older, dude
23:56 <ghableska> haha
23:58 <GodTodd> older? he's already 25 and in high school ;)
23:58 <GodTodd> heh
23:58 <ghableska> o_O
23:58 <kamp> hehe
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Log from 2007-03-09:
--- Day changed Fri Mar 09 2007
00:02 <kamp> hi joe
00:02 <ghableska> hi
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00:05 <DrJoeTron> i made a sweet mspaint picture durring graphic design while my project was printing
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00:06 <DrJoeTron> cool enough to save to a thumb drive
00:06 <ghableska> :o)
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00:15 <kamp> joe
00:15 <kamp> give me the pass for shrunk
00:15 <kamp> i refuse to play with a guy named (wtf) dicksuck
00:17 <madmax|pt> lol
00:17 <kamp> never mind
00:17 <kamp> invader took care of it
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00:47 <kamp> joe
00:47 <kamp> your server kicks too much for spam
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00:56 <madmax|pt> #realchatlogs
00:56 <armabot> madmax|pt: http://master3.armagetronad.net/armalogs/
01:01 <Vanhayes> #weather saint john
01:01 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 1°F / -17°C | Humidity: 36% | Pressure: 30.02in / 1016hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 16mph / 26km/h | Updated: 7:00 PM AST; Tonight - Cloudy with 40 percent chance of flurries early this evening. Clearing this evening. Wind northwest 30 km/h. Low minus 20. Cold wind chill minus 31.; Friday - Sunny. Wind northwest 20 km/h. High minus 6. (1 more message)
01:01 <Vanhayes> #more
01:01 <armabot> Vanhayes: UV index 3 or moderate. Cold wind chill minus 29 in the morning. Friday night..clear. Increasing cloudiness overnight. Wind northwest 20 km/h becoming light in the evening. Low minus 13.; Saturday - Cloudy with 60 percent chance of flurries or rain showers. High plus 4.;
01:02 <kamp> #weather 32608
01:02 <armabot> kamp: The current temperature in Stillwind Subdivision, Gainesville, Florida is 69.1°F (7:02 PM EST on March 08, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 42.8°F. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019.2 hPa (Rising). 
01:02 <kamp> #weather 33146
01:02 <armabot> kamp: The current temperature in Miami, Florida is 73.4°F (6:53 PM EST on March 08, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 57.2°F. Pressure: 30.05 in 1018 hPa (Rising). 
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01:03 <DrJoeTron> "D
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01:03 <Vanhayes> ugh what a week to redo our basement walls, not a day it was over -10
01:11 <spidey> #svn
01:11 <armabot> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname>(more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN)
01:25 <|Sticky|> #serverinfo cafe
01:25 <armabot> |Sticky|: Fortress Café: Players (6/32): emo>__<con, G5, madmax, nc~Julian, °¯AshitakA, °°Gay-Lin
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01:47 <kamp> #serverinfo tub
01:47 <armabot> kamp: The Lobster Tub(TEST): No online players.
01:47 <kamp> :)
01:47 <kamp> muahahaha
01:47 <kamp> #serverinfo capture
01:47 <armabot> kamp: Capture the Flag (This could be your server!): No online players.
01:47 <kamp> nah
01:47 <kamp> #serverinfo wild
01:47 <armabot> kamp: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress: Players (9/14): Arm. Adv. Admin, MAROON BULLET, Player 1, Potato Chef, SNAFU, zen, [mho]ese, {<$%Aard%$>}, }O{
01:47 <kamp> hmm
01:48 <luke-jr|work> HMM
02:19 <ghableska> #weather 50266
02:19 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 45.7°F (7:17 PM CST on March 08, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 33.8°F. Windchill: 44.6°F. Pressure: 28.98 in 981.3 hPa. 
02:24 <spidey> ping: unknown host google.com
02:24 <spidey> o.O
02:24 <ghableska> o.0
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02:41 <kamp> quiet night
02:41 <ghableska> yup
02:41 <kamp> i guess it'll get more interesting when lucifer comes, and we wind up talking about the fortress league
02:41 <kamp> did you know gmail can grab pop mail from other servers?
02:41 <ghableska> I'm not surprised.
02:42 <kamp> me neither, but they didn't used to
02:42 <kamp> i figured it out the other day, and now i don't need to use my school's crappy webmail interface
02:42 <ghableska> :D
02:42 <kamp> you'd think a school as rich as florida would be able to get better webmail software
02:43 <ghableska> lol
02:44 <|Sticky|> whats happening to the fortress league...i should be getting access to a very good server soon so may be able to provide a server
02:44 <ghableska> hmm, where is it located?
02:45 <|Sticky|> uk unfortunately for you yanks
02:45 <ghableska> bah
02:45  * ghableska is used to playing with 150+ ms pings
02:45 <|Sticky|> but on a very good connection and spec pc so should most of all be stable
02:46 <ghableska> that's good :)
02:48 <kamp> good news sticky
02:48 <kamp> you're going to have it for a while?
02:50  * spidey broke something
02:50 <spidey> server can't resolve domains :(
02:50 <spidey> ping: unknown host google.com :(
02:51 <|Sticky|> kamp: probably as long as i remain a member of the society that own it
02:51 <|Sticky|> so years if i bother to remain a member
02:55 <kamp> sticky...
02:55 <kamp> that guy on the corner
02:55 <kamp> the one selling drugs
02:55 <kamp> don't listen to him, he lies
02:55 <kamp> think of the fortress league
02:55 <kamp> :)
02:55  * ghableska 's school is well known for drug use :p
02:56 <kamp> every school is well known for drug use
02:56 <ghableska> more than normal, that is
02:56 <|Sticky|> err not sure i follow your drugs joke there
02:56 <ghableska> mine?
02:56 <ghableska> or kamp's?
02:57 <kamp> so you remain a member of society
02:57 <kamp> ah whatever
02:57 <|Sticky|> "the society"
02:58 <kamp> no forget about it
02:58 <kamp> it fell dead flat
02:58 <|Sticky|> heh
02:58 <kamp> here, at least, when you're in prison, you're out of society
02:58 <kamp> that's the point of prison
03:01 <ghableska> http://deadspin.com/sports/clips/soon-americans-will-lack-the-need-to-move-240329.php
03:04 <|Sticky|> almost useful if you didnt have to go get a towel to mop up beer after you open it
03:04 <ghableska> hmm
03:05 <ghableska> it could compress towels and then throw them after the beer...
03:05 <|Sticky|> naa use one of the drinks serving robots
03:05 <|Sticky|> far better
03:07 <|Sticky|> http://robotgossip.blogspot.com/2006/01/robot-bartender-for-home.html
03:07 <ghableska> hmm
03:08 <ghableska> I won't be able to drink for a while, so it really doesn't matter, heh
03:08 <|Sticky|> fill it with coke
03:09 <kamp> disaster waiting to happen
03:09 <kamp> reminds me of that commercial with the rubber floors
03:10 <|Sticky|> heh people wonder why kids take drugs...you go to a school known for drug dealing but cant get access to alcohol, so illegal drugs become easier to access than leagle ones
03:10 <ghableska> haha
03:10 <kamp> yep
03:10 <kamp> it's a crying shame
03:10 <kamp> the alcohol buying age should be lower than the driving age, at least
03:11 <ghableska> yeah
03:11 <|Sticky|> whats the voting age in usa??
03:11 <kamp> but they can't do it anymore
03:11 <kamp> 18
03:11 <ghableska> 18
03:11 <ghableska> you can do a lot more damage with a car than with a can of beer
03:11 <kamp> not if you throw it at their head
03:11 <|Sticky|> car or beer?
03:11 <kamp> ...
03:11 <ghableska> haha
03:12 <kamp> unless it's a mini, i'm thinking you can't do that with a car
03:12 <ghableska> yeah, but can you aim when you're drunk?
03:12 <kamp> what're you talking about
03:12 <|Sticky|> yeah uk has similar problem you have to pay taxes and can go off and die but not allowed to vote or drink
03:12 <kamp> you were probably intending on catching it
03:12 <|Sticky|> die as in fight in the army
03:12 <kamp> yea
03:12 <kamp> well
03:12 <kamp> drive, 16
03:13 <kamp> vote, adulthood, 18
03:13 <kamp> drink, 21
03:13 <kamp> pretyt bad system
03:13 <ghableska> you can get a learner's permit at 14 here :p
03:13 <kamp> oh yea
03:13 <kamp> well that
03:13 <kamp> but i meant a real license
03:13 <|Sticky|> uk: drive 16. vote/drink 18
03:13 <kamp> that reminds me
03:13 <kamp> i'm going to have some vodka
03:14 <kamp> i've had this bottle of bad vodka in my freezer for-reaking ever
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03:14 <ghableska> hi mom
03:14 <kamp> hey MOM
03:14 <kamp> mom
03:14 <kamp> whatever
03:14 <Your_mom_arma> hey
03:14 <|Sticky|> well technicaly drinking in uk is 5 years old but thats a strange part of the law
03:14 <kamp> haha
03:15 <kamp> it's like that in a european countries
03:15 <kamp> a lot of
03:15 <kamp> which is a phrase i left out
03:15 <|Sticky|> yeah
03:15 <kamp> or it's sort of like, understood
03:15 <kamp> that you can have posession of alcohol pretty much at any stage in your life
03:16 <|Sticky|> youy cant have possesion under age in public in uk i dont think
03:16 <|Sticky|> i think that 5 years old thing is for private residences only
03:16 <kamp> hmm
03:17 <kamp> in france at least, you can have wine whenever :)
03:17 <|Sticky|> kidding the french tried to put a recommended daily dosage for wine
03:18 <|Sticky|> you should drink atleast 2 glasses a day for good health...bollox
03:19 <kamp> one glass a day of red
03:19 <kamp> it works
03:19 <kamp> helps the circulation
03:19 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, whenever you get back ping me
03:19 <kamp> more than that, and you should probably follow it up with a couple more
03:19 <kamp> and then a couple more
03:19 <kamp> when the bottle's done, it's time to stop
03:20  * ghableska slaps spidey
03:20 <spidey> fuck off
03:20 <spidey> :)
03:20 <|Sticky|> yeah people always say 1 glass of red..im not so sure, surely there are better ways to get the benefical parts without the alcohol
03:21 <spidey> |Sticky|, stab yourself then run 2 miles
03:21 <|Sticky|> instruction or sugestion??
03:21 <spidey> both :D
03:21 <spidey> 'er
03:21 <spidey> yeah people always say 1 glass of red..im not so sure, surely there are better ways to get the benefical parts without the alcohol
03:21 <spidey> answer @ that
03:22 <|Sticky|> ahh
03:22 <|Sticky|> anyway g2g
03:22 <|Sticky|> #night
03:22 <armabot> Good night |Sticky|!
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03:49 <ghableska> #weather 50266
03:49 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 44.1°F (8:46 PM CST on March 08, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 32.0°F. Windchill: 39.2°F. Pressure: 28.97 in 980.9 hPa. 
04:23 <kamp> lalala
04:23 <kamp> #sing
04:24 <kamp> #whoami
04:24 <armabot> kamp: kamp
04:24 <ghableska> #whoami
04:24 <armabot> ghableska: ghableska
04:25 <Your_mom_arma> #armabot What are you doing?
04:25 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: You're kidding, right?
04:25 <spidey> O.o
04:26 <ghableska> #armabot Stupid.
04:26 <armabot> ghableska: You're kidding, right?
04:26 <ghableska> #armabot Am I kidding?
04:26 <armabot> ghableska: NO.
04:26 <ghableska> heh
04:26 <DrJoeTron> armabot knows the biz
04:26 <ghableska> DrJoeTron: I have ts :D
04:27 <spidey> ts is for losers cause luke-jr_ says so
04:27 <ghableska> #kill Lucifer_arma
04:27 <ghableska> err
04:27 <armabot> Lucifer_arma will die on Sat Jul 10 03:04:28 2010 due to being stabbed in the eye by Vanhayes.
04:27 <ghableska> #kill luke-jr_
04:27 <armabot> luke-jr_ will die on Wed Jun 13 08:36:05 2012 due to being stabbed in the eye by armabot.
04:27 <spidey> O.o
04:27 <spidey> hah
04:27 <DrJoeTron> ghableska do you have a mic?
04:27 <spidey> no
04:27 <ghableska> headset, yeah
04:27 <spidey> he just downloaded teamspeak so he could listen to you
04:27 <spidey> :O
04:27 <ghableska> ew, never
04:27 <kamp> i need a mic
04:28 <DrJoeTron> wanna register for ts?
04:28 <ghableska> register?
04:28 <kamp> and not just yell into my keyboard
04:28 <DrJoeTron> for my ts server :D
04:28 <ghableska> how?
04:28 <kamp> you ask him
04:28 <DrJoeTron> join it?
04:28 <kamp> rather gruffly
04:28 <kamp> Yo joe, register me , kiddo
04:29 <kamp> like that
04:29 <kamp> or even
04:29 <Lucifer_arma> #kill ghableska
04:29 <armabot> ghableska will die on Sun Sep 22 14:53:14 1985 due to being stabbed in the eye by Vanhayes.
04:29 <kamp> Joe, Do it
04:29 <DrJoeTron> pass is option
04:29 <DrJoeTron> join it so i can register you
04:29 <kamp> hey joe check this out
04:29 <ghableska> Lucifer_arma: sorry, I was going for luke-jr_
04:29 <kamp> #serverinfo tub
04:29 <armabot> kamp: The Lobster Tub(TEST): No online players.
04:29 <Lucifer_arma> #kill ghableska
04:29 <armabot> ghableska will die on Mon May 30 13:14:45 1988 due to being stabbed in the eye by wejp_.
04:29 <kamp> STILL empty!
04:29 <DrJoeTron> thats old news
04:29 <kamp> you're right
04:29 <kamp> it is old news
04:30 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: wtf do you want?
04:30 <kamp> :)
04:30 <spidey> :(
04:30 <DrJoeTron> like you!
04:30 <kamp> is nemo here
04:30 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, i can't get the trunk to compile :/
04:30 <kamp> yea
04:30 <spidey> i installed the dependencies you said
04:30 <kamp> [dlh]: so about that parsing, any thoughts?
04:30 <spidey> plus libboost
04:30 <spidey> cause the ./configure said to
04:30 <Lucifer_arma> er, are you trying to build the trunk or 0.2.8?
04:30 <spidey> trunk
04:30 <spidey> #svn
04:30 <armabot> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname>(more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN)
04:30 <spidey> that
04:31 <Lucifer_arma> you want to be a tester?  :)
04:31 <ghableska> [21:31:20] Connecting to 
04:31 <ghableska> [21:31:23] No reply from server
04:31 <ghableska> Maybe the server is offline
04:31 <ghableska> or maybe teamspeak is not running on it
04:31 <ghableska> o_O
04:31 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, ugh, sure
04:31 <Lucifer_arma> I'd suggest you get 0.2.8 building anyway, it's easier than building the trunk and you can make sure the base system works fine thataway anyway
04:31 <DrJoeTron> uh
04:31 <DrJoeTron> lemme try
04:31 <Lucifer_arma> then after, if you want to build the trunk, fine :)
04:31 <spidey> just as soon as i figure out how compiling  libboost fucked up the network
04:31 <Lucifer_arma> #svn
04:31 <armabot> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname>(more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN)
04:31 <spidey> ping: unknown host google.com
04:31 <Lucifer_arma> er, it shouldn't have?
04:31 <DrJoeTron> try again
04:31 <ghableska> ok
04:31 <Lucifer_arma> that's dns problem
04:31 <DrJoeTron> i just got in
04:31 <spidey> yea
04:32 <ghableska> [21:31:20] Connecting to 
04:32 <ghableska> [21:31:23] No reply from server
04:32 <ghableska> Maybe the server is offline
04:32 <ghableska> or maybe teamspeak is not running on it
04:32 <ghableska> err
04:32 <DrJoeTron> fucking christ
04:32 <ghableska> it's being stupid
04:32 <Lucifer_arma> https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad
04:32 <Lucifer_arma> that's the url you want for 0.2.8
04:32 <DrJoeTron> fuck teamspeak
04:32 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, need 0.3.0
04:32 <spidey> :D
04:32 <Lucifer_arma> and you want that one, not the tag
04:32 <Lucifer_arma> I'd suggest you get 0.2.8 building anyway, it's easier than building the trunk and you can make sure the base system works fine thataway anyway
04:32 <ghableska> what's the difference between nickname and login name?
04:32 <Your_mom_arma> im in the ts server
04:33 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, does 0.2.8 have the built in rotation stuff?
04:33 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: what distribution is it?
04:33 <DrJoeTron> yeah
04:33 <DrJoeTron> you're doing it wrong then ghableska
04:33 <spidey> debian sarge
04:33 <ghableska> ?
04:33 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: no, but the trunk is missing stuff for zones
04:33 <Lucifer_arma> it doesn't even do zone stuff that 0.2.8 does
04:33 <ghableska> what goes in nickname then?
04:33 <DrJoeTron> ghab dont put a login name in
04:33 <spidey> this is a classic play type thing
04:33 <DrJoeTron> you dont have one
04:33 <ghableska> ohh
04:33 <spidey> don't need zones :P
04:33 <DrJoeTron> we're making one
04:34 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, it doesn't matter, build 0.2.8 first because it has many fewer dependencies and you can get it building quickly
04:34 <ghableska> aha
04:34 <kamp> ahh
04:34 <kamp> two convos at once!
04:34 <ghableska> how do I type? :p
04:34 <Lucifer_arma> building the trunk is a pita, and it's better to already know that 0.2.8 builds and runs when you tackle the trunk
04:34 <kamp> you don't, ghableska, you talk
04:34 <ghableska> I don't feel like connecting my headset :S
04:34 <Your_mom_arma> joe grant talk privlages
04:34 <kamp> if your computer's anything like mine
04:34 <kamp> just yell at your keyboard
04:34 <kamp> and they'll hear you
04:34 <ghableska> heh
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> did you hear that?  I said "kamp is a garblegarblegrumbleblahblah!"
04:35 <kamp> why do you think i don't go on ts anymore
04:35 <spidey> one thing i hate about linux is
04:35 <kamp> besides the fact that joe will randomly let optic in
04:35 <spidey> i can never figure out the permissions :/
04:35 <kamp> i hear ya spidey
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> how hard can it be?  :)
04:35 <kamp> fuck permissions
04:35 <spidey> when i try to wget as armagetronad it tells me permission denied
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> u+w sets user writeable
04:35 <DrJoeTron> optic has been dead
04:35 <kamp> rxwrxwrxw for everything
04:35 <DrJoeTron> and will stay dead
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> what are you wgetting?
04:36  * kamp hears the police coming
04:36 <ghableska> run!
04:36 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, nothing right now
04:36 <spidey> i can't svn as armagetronad either
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> permission denied could be the remote server...
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> ahhhh, I see the problem then
04:36 <kamp> svn
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> do your building as a different user :)
04:36 <kamp> never used it
04:36 <kamp> crying shame
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> armagetronad should be a second-class user with very few rights on the system
04:36 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, can't execute as armagetronad either
04:37 <kamp> i need to get into programming for armagetron
04:37 <kamp> maybe in a month or two
04:37 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it's a borked user?
04:37 <kamp> and then i'll never play, like Lucifer_arma
04:37 <Lucifer_arma> try deleting the user and recreating it?
04:37 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, is there a rotation script for 0.2.8, i really need that...it's why we're using 0.3.0 right now
04:37 <spidey> did that
04:37 <spidey> twice O.o
04:37 <Lucifer_arma> there's several...
04:38 <DrJoeTron> ghableska you...you
04:38 <kamp> btw, joe, you should be pleased
04:38 <kamp> me and slo are probably going to bring the cage/tub into reputability and popularity
04:38 <ghableska> I what? :)
04:38 <DrJoeTron> you used the toilet all by yourself
04:38 <DrJoeTron> oh
04:38 <DrJoeTron> hows that
04:38 <kamp> we're having a competition
04:38 <Lucifer_arma> the trunk  is not 0.3.0
04:39 <Lucifer_arma> if you want 0.3.0, you need a different url
04:39 <spidey> svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad'
04:39 <kamp> whoever adds 1000 more round wins to their name first wins
04:39 <spidey> svn: PROPFIND of '/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad': Could not resolve hostname `armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net': Temporary failure in name resolution (https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net)
04:39 <spidey> !
04:39 <kamp> which means we'll be in there a lot
04:39 <DrJoeTron> ghableska hook that headset up
04:39 <Lucifer_arma> I still suggest 0.2.8 first because being the stable version, it's the easiest to build from scratch.
04:39 <DrJoeTron> haha
04:39 <ghableska> no
04:39 <DrJoeTron> no!
04:39 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: you have a DNS problem.  Didn't I already say that?
04:39 <kamp> which means that it won't be dead last on the list at all times
04:39 <ghableska> NO!
04:39 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, not i! :O
04:39 <spidey> i only wish i had this server
04:39 <Lucifer_arma> https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/tags/0.3.0
04:39 <DrJoeTron> i'd rather have no one, than a room filled with shit heads
04:39 <spidey> heh
04:39 <Lucifer_arma> https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/tags/0.3.0/armagetronad
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> the second one
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> fine, your server has a dns problem
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> that was obvious from your ping output you gave, coupled with the fact that you were connected over the network to it
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> cat /etc/resolv.conf
04:40 <spidey> root@zion:/home/armagetronad/tron# cat /etc/resolv.conf
04:40 <spidey> # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8)
04:40 <armabot> Another day...
04:41 <spidey> that's all
04:41 <spidey> ...
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04:41 <Lucifer_arma> that's all?  no wonder your dns isn't working
04:41 <Lucifer_arma> your machine doesn't know about dns servers!
04:41 <Lucifer_arma> run resolvconf
04:41 <Lucifer_arma> as root, obviously
04:41 <DrJoeTron> bbl
04:41 <spidey> root@zion:/home/armagetronad/tron# resolvconf
04:41 <spidey> resolvconf: Error: No command argument supplied
04:41 <Lucifer_arma> you might do "man resolvconf" first and find out wtf it does :)
04:41 <spidey> k
04:42 <Lucifer_arma> how about "resolver", is that there somewhere?
04:42  * Lucifer_arma only knows how to hack resolv.conf by hand, has never used a tool to do it
04:42 <Lucifer_arma> what distribution is it?
04:42 <spidey> debian sarge..
04:43 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/254
04:43 <Lucifer_arma> for some reason, that page tells you to hack resolv.conf
04:44 <spidey> thanks
04:45 <spidey> atleast now i know how to use the other 5 ip's
04:45 <spidey> -_-
04:45 <Lucifer_arma> haha
04:45 <kamp> :)
04:45 <kamp> all's well that ends well
04:45  * Lucifer_arma wonders if he enabled hostnamelookups for apache
04:45 <[dlh]> kamp: I've no clue on how to parse xml in javascript. There appears to be a javascript xml parser (http://xmljs.sourceforge.net), but I would rather use JSON (http://json.org, http://www.json.org/json.js)
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> er, wait a minute, that's not what he wants to do :)
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> he wants to convince wrtlprnft to make it a xml-rpc feed so he can just use any ajax widget to display it :)
04:47 <kamp> nah
04:47 <kamp> i want to go through the whole thing
04:47  * kamp is learning, remember?
04:47 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, you might instead look into getting your browser to load it like in a hidden frame or something and then walking the dom like you would any other way
04:47 <kamp> thanks nemo, you could have just said you didn't know though, you didn't have to do my research for me
04:47 <kamp> but thanks
04:47 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, why parse in javascript when you're running inside an application that probably has a far better parser than you'll find?
04:48  * Lucifer_arma wonders how the ajax widgets do it, seriously
04:48 <Lucifer_arma> aha!
04:48 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/resolvconf
04:48 <Lucifer_arma> looks like you need to install resolvconf
04:48 <Lucifer_arma> or, if it's not there, fuck it!
04:49 <[dlh]> Wait, how would making it a web service (XML-RPC) help at all?
04:49 <kamp> i dunno
04:49 <Lucifer_arma> just find out from your server host what dns servers they have and plug those in
04:49 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, 
04:49 <spidey> it's already installed
04:49 <kamp> i don't even know what that is
04:49 <Lucifer_arma> [dlh]: a lot of ajax widgets can use xml-rpc by themselves, so kamp wouldn't have to do any real work
04:49 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: then why didn't it find the command?  *confused*
04:50 <spidey> root@zion:/home/armagetronad/tron# resolvconf
04:50 <spidey> resolvconf: Error: No command argument supplied
04:50 <spidey> you miss read
04:50 <spidey> heh
04:50 <Lucifer_arma> oh, haha
04:51 <Lucifer_arma> [dlh]: besides that minor detail about ajax widgets, since kamp's trying to make an opera widget, it's possible/likely that opera has an api for making xml-rpc calls
04:51 <Lucifer_arma> so no need to parse the stream then, he can just focus on what he actually cares about
04:52 <Lucifer_arma> [dlh]: if opera does (it would surprise me if it doesn't!), then that might be enough to convince wrtlprnft to make an xml-rpc version of the feed
04:52  * Lucifer_arma considers doing an svn checkout of the script and just doing it
04:52  * Lucifer_arma wonders how much kamp would be willing to pay for it ;)
04:53 <kamp> meh
04:53 <kamp> i'm just spending time looking at the source of other widgets
04:54 <kamp> seeing how they do things
04:54 <kamp> easier than paying lucifer for something i'm determined to do myself
04:54 <kamp> makes zero sense, luci
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04:55 <kamp> ah darn
04:55 <kamp> ctrl f4
04:55 <kamp> a powerful button
04:55 <kamp> err
04:55 <kamp> pair of buttons
04:58 <[dlh]> blah, I hate javascript.
04:58 <spidey> i'm kinda confused
04:58 <kamp> same here
04:58 <spidey> what happened to the resolv.conf >.<
04:58 <kamp> don't worry about it nemo
04:58 <kamp> i'm just trying to igure some things out
04:58 <kamp> i'm not really going to start this for a week or two
04:58 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, would installing/updating libraries cause it?
04:59 <kamp> thanks for all the help
04:59  * [dlh] *
04:59 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: if a library overwrote resolv.conf, yes
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> if a package invoked a call to resolvconf that caused it to generate a blank resolv.conf file, then yes
05:00 <spidey> 64 bytes from jc-in-f99.google.com ( icmp_seq=1 ttl=248 time=33.1 ms
05:00 <spidey> yay
05:00 <spidey> :D
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> :)
05:00 <spidey> put the ones i set for my cable router in
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> now, get the 0.3.0 tag
05:00 <spidey> they're opendns nameservers
05:00 <spidey> :D
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/tags/0.3.0/armagetronad
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> that one, svn co the url I just gave and build that
05:01 <spidey> rgr
05:01 <spidey> checking out now
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> it has mostly the same dependencies as 0.2.8, but has the map rotation you wanted
05:01 <spidey> ty :)
05:01 <spidey> no more -x 'ing a autopackage, lol
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> haha
05:02 <spidey> ok, lets see
05:02 <spidey> i've never actually installed this on linux -_-
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> don't install it this time until you see it working :)
05:03 <spidey> O.o
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> to build from svn, you do "./bootstrap.sh"
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> then "./configure --disable-glout"
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> then "make"
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> then TEST it
05:03 <spidey> see
05:03 <spidey> here's what happens everytime
05:03 <spidey> automake: src/thirdparty/particles/Makefile.am: not supported: source file `ParticleDLL/actions.h' is in subdirectory
05:03 <spidey> automake: src/thirdparty/particles/Makefile.am: not supported: source file `ParticleDLL/Particle.h' is in subdirectory
05:03 <spidey> automake: src/thirdparty/particles/Makefile.am: not supported: source file `ParticleDLL/ParticleGroup.h' is in subdirectory
05:03 <spidey> automake: src/thirdparty/particles/Makefile.am: not supported: source file `ParticleDLL/ParticleState.h' is in subdirectory
05:03 <spidey> config/Makefile.am:6: invalid variable `nobase_config_DATA'
05:03 <spidey> desktop/Makefile.am:9: invalid variable `nobase_protocolfile_DATA'
05:03 <spidey> desktop/Makefile.am:8: invalid variable `nobase_desktopfile_DATA'
05:03 <spidey> www-root/Makefile.am:8: invalid variable `nobase_wwwroot_DATA'
05:03 <spidey> yada, yada
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> do something like "echo "SERVER_NAME StupidShit" >> config/server_info.cfg"
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> automake --version
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> [root@ghostwheel dave]# automake --version
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> automake (GNU automake) 1.9.6
05:04 <spidey> automake (GNU automake) 1.4-p6
05:04 <[dlh]> heh, way too old
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> upgrade, that's before the critical 1.8
05:04 <spidey> hm
05:05  * spidey aptituded'd it
05:05 <spidey> :/
05:05  * Lucifer_arma *cough* Debian *cough*
05:05 <spidey> no
05:05 <spidey> i installed the wrong one
05:05 <spidey> heh
05:05  * Lucifer_arma makes a loud coughing noise that sounds a lot like "Debian"
05:05  * spidey installed the first one on the list
05:05 <spidey> there's a 1.9, heh
05:06 <Lucifer_arma> ok
05:06  * Lucifer_arma considers if it's worth adding a check for automake version somewhere
05:06 <Lucifer_arma> you can require it in configure.ac, iirc
05:06 <Lucifer_arma> aha!
05:06 <Lucifer_arma> where's kamp?
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> http://my.opera.com/community/dev/widgets/
05:07 <kamp> around
05:07 <kamp> yea dude
05:07 <kamp> i know
05:07 <DrJoeTron>   damn
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> From that page:  # Widgets can use AJAX technologies to create powerful cross-domain web applications.
05:07 <kamp> <-- a googling fool
05:07 <DrJoeTron> arma wont run on a rage mobile very well
05:07 <kamp> i'm working on something else right now
05:07 <kamp> rage mobile?
05:07 <DrJoeTron> yeah
05:07 <spidey> dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `armagetronad-dedicated' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed.
05:07 <kamp> what's that?
05:07 <DrJoeTron> ATi Rage
05:07 <DrJoeTron> its a video card
05:07 <kamp> ...
05:07 <kamp> oh
05:07 <spidey> wtf do i keep getting that for when i install/uninstall with aptitude
05:07 <spidey> ?
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> wtf are you doing now, spidey?
05:07 <DrJoeTron> but its a laptop card
05:08 <kamp> Things arma should be ported to
05:08 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, updating automake
05:08 <kamp> 1. Wii
05:08 <DrJoeTron> i'll be luckly enough to get the thing to run TFC
05:08 <spidey> but aptitude keep bitching at me
05:08 <kamp> 2. PS3 (armagetron in HD!)
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> that's pretty weird
05:08 <spidey> about armagetronad 
05:08 <kamp> 3. some mobile phone
05:08  * Lucifer_arma adds Debian to the lists of distributions not to fool with unless he has real time to kill
05:08 <kamp> and then the rest, who cares
05:08 <kamp> heh
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> kamp: I won't be satisfied until arma runs in my toaster
05:09 <DrJoeTron> spidey
05:09 <spidey> what?
05:09  * Lucifer_arma suddenly remembers he doesn't have a toaster
05:09  * kamp wonders if the toast woul still turn out all right
05:09 <DrJoeTron> i got this neat feature for TS and or Ventrilo
05:09 <kamp> hah
05:09 <DrJoeTron> it shows who's talking while you
05:09 <DrJoeTron> 're in a game
05:09 <Lucifer_arma> well, I guess I'm satisfied, no more porting for me
05:09 <DrJoeTron> it works with Vent i know
05:09 <DrJoeTron> but TS im not quite too sure on as well
05:09 <spidey> Flagging scripts as executable...
05:09 <spidey> Done!  You may now run configure and start building.
05:09 <spidey> :O
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> yay
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> now ./configure --disable-glout
05:10 <DrJoeTron> man
05:10 <spidey> can i specify where to install "everything" except the libs to?
05:10 <DrJoeTron> not having a computer to the internet
05:10 <DrJoeTron> is soo....constraining...
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> er, wait
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> there are no libs
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, do ./configure --disable-glout --prefix=/dev/null
05:10 <spidey>  --libdir=DIR           object code libraries [EPREFIX/lib]
05:10 <spidey> O.o
05:11 <Lucifer_arma> that's a default option provided by autoconf, we dont' use it for anything
05:11 <Lucifer_arma> we don't have any libs!
05:11 <Lucifer_arma> if we had a library we distributed, that would control it, yes :)
05:11 <spidey> configure: error: You need the library xml2 to compile Armagetron. Read the file doc/install_linux.html.
05:11 <Lucifer_arma> install the libxml2-dev package
05:12 <spidey> i just installed that earlier -_-
05:12 <spidey> oh wait
05:12 <spidey> -dev?
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> -dev, yes
05:13 <DrJoeTron> musta
05:13 <DrJoeTron> krakish
05:13 <DrJoeTron> musta
05:13 <DrJoeTron> krakish
05:13 <spidey> Warning: The configure script decided that, to better work on your system,
05:13 <spidey>   it would be a good idea to modify files outside of /dev/null
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> what would the world be like without DrJoeTron's periodic babbling?
05:13 <spidey> O.o
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> er, heh
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> ummmm
05:13 <spidey> Configuration complete!
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> I think you should reconfigure, because you're going to be really pissed at me laughing my ass off if you install everything to /dev/null
05:14 <spidey> :O
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> where do you want arma to install to?
05:14  * spidey is to high to actually pay attention
05:14  * Lucifer_arma just assumed you'd notice the obvious /dev/null prank
05:14 <spidey> so don't really tell me to do something like that xD
05:15 <Lucifer_arma> ok.  well, pick a place.  That message basically just says "We're installing an initscript for you and a symbolic link in /etc to make it easy to find config files"
05:15 <Lucifer_arma> it only really matters if you need to disable it for the autopackage and for a really anal FHS distribution
05:16 <spidey> Warning: The configure script decided that, to better work on your system,
05:16 <spidey>   it would be a good idea to modify files outside of /home/armagetronad
05:16 <spidey> though
05:16 <spidey> it's not in /home/armagetron
05:16 <spidey> :/
05:16 <Lucifer_arma> did you do --prefix=/home/armagetronad ?
05:16 <Your_mom_arma> are we going to play freeciv today?
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: probably not, I probably can't play any freeciv until after this weekend
05:17 <spidey> yes
05:17 <spidey> ./configure --disable-glout --prefix=/home/armagetronad
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> ok spidey, then it's going to put the binary in /home/armagetronad/bin , the config files in /home/armagetronad/etc
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> etc
05:17 <spidey> didn't
05:17 <kamp> freeciv...
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> I'd go one directory deeper and do --prefix=/home/armagetronad/armainstall or something
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> it won't install anything at all until you do "make install"
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> but you're not doing that yet
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> kamp: freeciv!
05:18 <spidey> omg
05:18  * spidey slaps self
05:18 <spidey> >.<
05:18 <kamp> never played it
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> kamp: ever play Sid Meier's Civilization?
05:18 <kamp> nope
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> Civilization 2?
05:19 <kamp> hey, dontrelle wilis is on the cover of sports illustrated
05:19 <spidey> man
05:19 <kamp> no sir
05:19 <spidey> only pros play civ!
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> Civilization 3?
05:19 <spidey> with the exception of luke
05:19 <kamp> ...
05:19 <kamp> take a wild guess
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, luke's not a pro, heh
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.freeciv.org/
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> if you're at all a history buff or a strategy gamer, you want to play freeciv with us sometime
05:19 <kamp> i'll check it out some time during spring break
05:19 <luke-jr_> ...
05:20 <spidey> don't you ... us
05:20 <Lucifer_arma> he's trying to multiply us, but we're not vectors!
05:20  * GodTodd is a vector.
05:20 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: so when you're happy with your prefix, do "make"
05:20 <spidey> lol
05:20 <spidey> done
05:20 <spidey> well, not done yet
05:21  * GodTodd wants to project himself onto Lucifer_arma 
05:21 <spidey> i did it back when i figured out i was stupid and forgot make :D
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> ok, whenever it's done, start it with "make run" and then custom connect to your machine
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> er, fire up a client locally and custom connect to your server is what I mean :)
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> you know, to see that it runs before you actually install it
05:22 <spidey> hm
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05:22 <GodTodd> test before implementing? you must be mad, man!
05:22 <spidey> i wonder how bad the 3 gameservers are lagging right now
05:22 <spidey> xD
05:22 <kamp> how would you center an element using css?
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> kamp: depends on the element
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> what's the element?
05:23 <spidey> margin: auto;
05:23 <kamp> div
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> you want to center the whole div?
05:23 <kamp> margin: auto? never heard of it, i'll check it out
05:23 <kamp> yessir
05:23 <spidey> margin: auto; places it in the center of the page
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> width: 100%; margin-left: 20%; margin-right: 20%;
05:24 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: so you do margin: auto; and then just give a width?
05:24 <spidey> sometimes
05:24 <spidey> depends on what i'm doing
05:24 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.net/design1
05:24 <spidey> i think
05:24 <GodTodd> like pot? crack? heroin?
05:24 <GodTodd> ;)
05:24 <kamp> hm
05:24 <spidey> that has margin: auto;
05:24 <Lucifer_arma> oh come on, spidey doesn't smoke crack!
05:25 <kamp> opera needs to make th keyboard shortcuts work everywhere
05:25 <spidey> not crack...
05:25 <spidey> pot's fine :D
05:25  * GodTodd notices the lack of mention of heroin. :P
05:25 <spidey> ...
05:26 <spidey> doctors don't even stick niddles in my arms
05:26 <spidey> :|
05:26 <kamp> yea actually, your solution is pretty bad, luci
05:26 <kamp> i'd want to be able to set the width of the thing
05:26 <spidey> kamp, gimme link
05:26 <kamp> but i didn't say that
05:26 <spidey> and tell me what you're trying to do
05:26 <kamp> there is no link right now, it's on my computer
05:26 <spidey> upload :P
05:27 <kamp> i wouldn't worry about it
05:27 <kamp> you're absolutely correct
05:27 <kamp> http://www.bluerobot.com/web/css/center1.html
05:27 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, works
05:28 <spidey> make install'ing now :D
05:28 <spidey> ?
05:28 <spidey> kamp, ?
05:28 <kamp> setting margins to auto is right
05:28 <kamp> just saying
05:29 <spidey> ..
05:29 <Your_mom_arma> the problem with that page is all the info is displayed on less then half the width of my screen
05:29 <kamp> ?
05:29 <spidey> all that looks like that does is
05:29 <kamp> spidey, what?
05:29 <spidey> put everything 50% from the left
05:29 <kamp> was that english?
05:29 <kamp> there's no noun!
05:29 <spidey> no shit?
05:29 <spidey> :O
05:29 <kamp> nounless speech
05:29 <kamp> ...
05:30 <spidey> i just did
05:30 <kamp> i refuse to believe it can exist
05:30 <spidey> just did :O
05:30  * Your_mom_arma hates pages that work mainly in pixels
05:30 <spidey> anyways
05:30  * kamp uses inches :)
05:30 <spidey> margin: auto; width: ; and top: ; 
05:30 <spidey> is much easier
05:30 <kamp> yea
05:30 <spidey> text-align: center; if you want
05:31 <kamp> nah
05:31 <spidey> or you could do top:;bottom:;left:;right::
05:31 <spidey> :P
05:31 <xfroggy> #roulette
05:31 <kamp> nah
05:31 <armabot> xfroggy: *click*
05:31 <kamp> #roulette
05:31 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
05:31  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
05:32 <kamp> almost died
05:32 <xfroggy> lol
05:32 <GodTodd> good thing it was *practice* russian roulette
05:32 <GodTodd> ;)
05:33 <xfroggy> ;)
05:33 <GodTodd> then there's american roulette
05:33 <GodTodd> same as russian except you point it at someone else
05:33 <kamp> you knwo what's frustrating?
05:33 <DrJoeTron> bah
05:33 <DrJoeTron> fucking USB 1.0 ports
05:33 <spidey> yay
05:33 <kamp> google calendar
05:33 <spidey> a .pid
05:33  * xfroggy points and GodTodd and pushes the trigger
05:33 <spidey> ty Lucifer_arma ! :D
05:33 <xfroggy> GodTodd, *click*
05:34 <DrJoeTron> sooo fucking slow
05:34 <GodTodd> easier to pull the trigger :P
05:34 <kamp> google calndar is frustrating me to death
05:34 <GodTodd> fuck you joe :)
05:34 <kamp> it's cool and all
05:34 <kamp> but the sms notifications still aren't working
05:34 <kamp> i don't want to have to remember anything in my life!
05:38 <xfroggy> what about ur name
05:38 <kamp> it's pretty well engrained
05:38 <kamp> i've got it down pat, that's fine
05:38 <xfroggy> =\
05:38 <kamp> but my schedule?
05:38 <kamp> bah
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> don't forget about mexican roulette!
05:38 <spidey> armagetronad@zion:~$ chmod u+x serverstarter
05:38 <spidey> chmod: changing permissions of `serverstarter': Operation not permitted
05:38 <kamp> i only need a vague idea of my day to day schedule
05:38 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, care to teach me permissions next? xD
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> you need to be root for that part, spidey
05:39 <kamp> besides, i got unlimited texts so i could get google notifications and not worry about it
05:39 <spidey> run the server as root?
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> no, install it as root
05:39 <spidey> it's installed
05:39 <xfroggy> Oo
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> run it using the initscript provided :)
05:39 <spidey> read :P
05:39 <kamp> yea xfroggy
05:39 <spidey> chmod: changing permissions of `serverstarter': Operation not permitted
05:39 <kamp> it's a drag
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> right, I'm supposed to read through all that crap..
05:39 <Your_mom_arma> kamp can get his name tattooed on his hand, he cant tattoo a schedule to his arm not enough space
05:39 <xfroggy> I want unlimited sms =\
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> wtf is it doing a chmod for?
05:39 <spidey> it's not
05:39 <spidey> i am so i can execute it
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> er, it should already be done!
05:40 <spidey> ok it was
05:40 <spidey> but here's what happens
05:40 <spidey> [0] Warning in tString tPath::GetWritePath(const char*) const in tools/tDirectories.cpp:837 :
05:40 <spidey>         [0] Could not create path to /home/armagetronad/.armagetronad/var/var/scorelog.txt. Check your user's rights.
05:40 <spidey> it's fine when i do root
05:40 <spidey> it with*
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, hm
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> ls -l ~/.armagetronad
05:41 <spidey> ls: /home/armagetronad/.armagetron: No such file or directory
05:41 <kamp> sweet
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> ls -l ~/.armagetronad
05:41 <kamp> now i just need a picture of a timepiece
05:41 <kamp> and the gimp
05:41 <spidey> my bad
05:41 <spidey> samething though
05:43  * Lucifer_arma wonders why there are two /var's in that path
05:44 <spidey> no idea :O
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> aha
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> try this:
05:44 <Lucifer_arma>  /home/armagetronad/bin/armagetronad-dedicated
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> where /home/armagetronad is whatever you used for --prefix
05:45 <xfroggy> #serverinfo wild fortress
05:45 <armabot> xfroggy: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress: No online players.
05:45 <spidey> [0] Warning in tString tPath::GetWritePath(const char*) const in tools/tDirectories.cpp:837 :
05:45 <spidey>         [0] Could not create path to /home/armagetronad/.armagetronad-dedicated/var/scorelog.txt. Check your user's rights.
05:45 <kamp> #serverinfo tub
05:45 <armabot> kamp: The Lobster Tub(TEST): Players (1/6): Slopok Rodreges
05:46 <spidey> ok
05:46 <spidey> changed it to 7777
05:46 <spidey> xD
05:46 <spidey> it executes now
05:46 <kamp> #serverinfo cage
05:46 <armabot> kamp: The Lobster Cage: No online players.
05:46 <kamp> dagnabbit
05:46 <spidey> kinda
05:46 <kamp> slo's a spec
05:48 <spidey> there we go
05:48 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, it's fully started now :D
05:48 <spidey> well
05:48 <spidey> nvm
05:48 <kamp> :)
05:48 <spidey> forgot to disable the webserver
05:50 <spidey> now it's running :D
05:53 <kamp> btw luci
05:53 <kamp> can you think of any reason why the glances would stop working?
05:53 <spidey> you use default glances?
05:53 <spidey> numb pad* i mean
05:54  * spidey uses numbpad arrows and sometimes accidently disables the numbpad icon and crashes into a wall trying to glacne
05:54 <kamp> deafault
05:54 <spidey> no idear :D
05:55 <kamp> meneither
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> if I take a car and let it roll down a ramp, then take 4 measurements along its path, at each of those 4 measurements, total energy should be the same, right?
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> Potential energy turns into kinetic energy, but total energy is the same?
06:01 <kamp> no idea
06:01 <kamp> the only energy we talk about is in chemm
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, this is mechanical energy
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think chemistry covers it
06:03 <kamp> no
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> I can check my measurements by computing, errr
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> heh
06:04 <spidey> hm
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> I need work done in the direction of motion, which is on an inclined plane
06:04  * spidey is confused xD
06:05  * Lucifer_arma suspects the kinetic computation
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> ok, it's checking out
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> I still have one computation that's off by a bit
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> damn, I'm going to have to delete all these formulas when it's time for the test :(
06:15  * Lucifer_arma needs to find a usb cable
06:16 <DrJoeTron> I have just figured out my new goal in life
06:16 <DrJoeTron> I'm going to be a One hit wonder
06:17 <GodTodd> doesn't that run in the family?
06:17 <DrJoeTron> through marriage it does
06:17 <GodTodd> heh
06:17 <kamp> why a one hit wonder?
06:17 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, does the server use ~./armagetronad or ~/.armagetronad-dedicated
06:17 <spidey> ?
06:17 <GodTodd> cuz he can't do two?
06:17 <DrJoeTron> because all i have to do is come up with one sweet song
06:17 <spidey> i've got one of both :/
06:17 <kamp> and why is the O capitalized
06:18 <kamp> one hit wonders don't exist too much
06:18 <DrJoeTron> and everyone remembers one hit wonders
06:18 <kamp> most people get three or four
06:18 <kamp> ...
06:18 <kamp> i don
06:18 <kamp> t
06:18 <GodTodd> he actually wants to be a One Hit Wonder
06:18 <DrJoeTron> i'm going to be the next eagle eye cherry
06:18 <kamp> ...who?
06:18 <DrJoeTron> or the new radicals
06:18 <kamp> again i say
06:18 <kamp> who?
06:18 <DrJoeTron> one hit wonders :p
06:18 <GodTodd> iron butterfly :D
06:18 <kamp> they don't sell singles anymore, bro
06:18 <DrJoeTron> you've heard both of there songs
06:18 <DrJoeTron> their*
06:18 <kamp> they look for people that can hold down an album
06:19 <kamp> not one hit wonders
06:19 <DrJoeTron> bullshit
06:19 <GodTodd> ummm...i have a trio album
06:19 <DrJoeTron> yeah
06:19 <GodTodd> they had one hit
06:19 <GodTodd> trust me
06:19 <GodTodd> heh
06:19 <DrJoeTron> its allos called iTunes
06:19 <DrJoeTron> also*
06:19 <DrJoeTron> those are pretty much the new singles
06:20 <GodTodd> now all of you stfu...i forgot to do my government homework and have half an hour or so to email it in
06:20 <GodTodd> heh
06:20 <DrJoeTron> SHIT
06:20 <DrJoeTron> i need to do my thesis
06:20 <DrJoeTron> it'll be great
06:21  * kamp just read the article about top ten free linux games
06:21 <kamp> where tron is 7th
06:21 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
06:21 <kamp> how the hell is oh well
06:21 <kamp> forget about it
06:21 <DrJoeTron> fuck you kamp
06:22 <GodTodd> fuck you joe
06:22 <DrJoeTron> fuck me GodTodd
06:22 <GodTodd> after homework
06:23 <kamp> ...
06:23 <kamp> what just happened
06:23 <kamp> did joe throw a random ass hissy fit?
06:23 <GodTodd> usually
06:23 <Your_mom_arma> if random=daily
06:24 <GodTodd> mom: at different times of day tho :D
06:24 <GodTodd> and that's an infinite loop
06:25 <GodTodd> if (random = daily)
06:28 <DrJoeTron> this laptop is turning into a white elephant
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06:36 -!- kamp42 is now known as kamp
06:36 <kamp> hm
06:37  * kamp realizes he has absolutely no idea how to do anything in photoshop 7
06:39 <kamp> #serverinfo tube
06:39 <armabot> kamp: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “tube” at the moment, sorry.
06:39 <kamp> #serverinfo tub
06:39 <armabot> kamp: The Lobster Tub(TEST): Players (3/6): nekro turkey, Yarns, ||||
06:40 <kamp> #serverinfo tub
06:40 <armabot> kamp: The Lobster Tub(TEST): Players (3/6): nekro turkey, Yarns, ©S¦	||||
06:45 -!- hang3r [n=hang3r@124-168-236-35.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #Armagetron
06:50 <kamp> hi hang3r
06:50 <hang3r> hey kamp
06:50 <kamp> you're in australia, right
06:50 <hang3r> sure am
06:50 <kamp> neat
06:50 <kamp> my sister's going there this summer
06:51 <kamp> her last semester in college and she's doing it abroad :)
06:51 <hang3r> well I'm sure she'll like it
06:51 <hang3r> Can't really find many people that dislike australia
06:52 <DrJoeTron> kamp
06:52 <DrJoeTron> what are you trying to do in photoshop
06:52 <DrJoeTron> LENS FLARE!?
06:57 <DrJoeTron> :O
07:01 <kamp> in photoshop?
07:01 <DrJoeTron> yeah
07:01 <kamp> i'm just trying to get a picture of a watch, crop it, and then put it in another image
07:01 <DrJoeTron> layers?
07:01 <kamp> the cropping and all that, i haven't bothered trying, but putting the image of a watch in another image i can't seem to get
07:01 <DrJoeTron> thats easy shit
07:01 <DrJoeTron> lemme do it :p
07:02 <kamp> nah
07:02 <kamp> it'll turn out with some ms paint turd all over it
07:02 <DrJoeTron> pfft
07:02 <kamp> besides, I want to learn how to do some basics editing with photoshop
07:02 <DrJoeTron> marquee tools,
07:02 <DrJoeTron> and layers
07:02 <DrJoeTron> make them your friends
07:03 <kamp> how do you put an image in another image though?
07:03 <DrJoeTron> what do you mean
07:03 <DrJoeTron> just copy paste?
07:03 <DrJoeTron> or are you trying to fade it in to it
07:03 <kamp> copy paste.
07:04 <kamp> that would make sense
07:04 <DrJoeTron> learn to use your layers :d
07:06 <kamp> yea
07:06 <kamp> i was taught how to use photoshop once
07:07 <kamp> unfortunately, it is very unlike a bike
07:07 <kamp> you can't stop riding for years, and then come back on and pick it up automagically
07:10 -!- hang3r [n=hang3r@124-168-236-35.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
07:12 <kamp> #serverinfo tub
07:12 <armabot> kamp: The Lobster Tub(TEST): Players (3/6): pinky, w0rms3r, Xdude
07:14 <kamp> #serverinfo cage
07:14 <armabot> kamp: The Lobster Cage: No online players.
07:20 <kamp> #serverinfo cage
07:20 <armabot> kamp: The Lobster Cage: No online players.
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07:28 <DrJoeTron> ewwww
07:28 <DrJoeTron> some weird chick took my Photoshop Phriday image and has it on her myspace
07:29 <DrJoeTron> egad
07:29 <DrJoeTron> google is a horrible horrible mistress
07:33 <DrJoeTron> welp found the arma irc chat logs
07:33 <DrJoeTron> this sucks
07:33 <DrJoeTron> im not going on the internet anymore
07:35 <GodTodd> #realchatlogs
07:35 <armabot> GodTodd: http://master3.armagetronad.net/armalogs/
07:35 <GodTodd> :P
07:35 <DrJoeTron> im playing internet detective on myself
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> #google Dr Joe Tron
07:36 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Search took 0.14 seconds: Armagetron Forums :: Index: <http://forums.armagetronad.net/>; Armagetron Forums :: View topic - Anybody need a moderator?: <http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=12701&sid=84c74114a07a2f5339c57b4b2d5f06fc>; K- Tron - Company News: <http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=90806&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=527980&highlight=>; Summary: (2 more messages)
07:36 <DrJoeTron> pft thats nothing
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> hey, what's in that third link?
07:36 <DrJoeTron> no idea
07:36  * Lucifer_arma was happy to find that you had to click through like 6-8 pages before you found irrelevant stuff on him
07:36 <DrJoeTron> GodTodd
07:36 -!- zmanuel [n=manuel@p50872E6B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #armagetron
07:37 <GodTodd> DrJoeTron:): 
07:37 <DrJoeTron> plano texas right?
07:37 <GodTodd> yep
07:37 <DrJoeTron> found your myspace
07:37 <Your_mom_arma> DrJoeTron: link to the myspace page?
07:37 <GodTodd> heh...i haven't messed with that in a while
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> oh, that third link is irrelevant, just happens to contain Dr, Joe, and Tron all on the same page
07:37  * Lucifer_arma challenges you all to find a myspace page for him
07:37 <DrJoeTron> http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=503106
07:39 <Your_mom_arma> its on a verypoorly made myspace page to make it even worse the guy couldnt figure out how to embed the image
07:39 <DrJoeTron> haha yeah
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> I found that page joe, and googled "fancella yapri"
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> only to find one more link to someone who's that person's friend
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know wtf that person is
07:40 <DrJoeTron> hahha
07:40 <DrJoeTron> man
07:40  * spidey jumps with joy
07:41 <spidey> :D:D
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> spidey setup a myspace page?
07:41 <spidey> finally got everything setup! :D
07:41 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
07:41 <spidey> spidey?myspace? never!
07:41  * Lucifer_arma wonders if there's a more anti-myspace chat room than this
07:41 -!- luke-jr_ [n=luke-jr@2002:1891:f663:0:20e:a6ff:fec4:4e5d] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
07:41 <spidey> next person to mention my name in a sentance with myspace gets zapped by luke-jr_'s almightiness
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> spidey hates myspace, I see
07:42 <GodTodd> i only set mine up for shits and grins when i was bored once
07:42 <DrJoeTron> i don't like myspace
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> I don't like your space either, joe
07:42 <spidey> well
07:42 <spidey> i don't get why have myspace when you can have forums or a shoutbox
07:42 <GodTodd> anyone wanna kill a bass fisher guy?
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> no kidding.  Why do I need myspace when I've got my own fucking webserver?
07:43  * Lucifer_arma kindly asks nobody to say "bandwidth"
07:43 <spidey> lol
07:43 <GodTodd> that reminds me...i need to set up a webserver
07:43 <GodTodd> bandwidth :D
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> you can use mine :)
07:43 <GodTodd> true...i suppose i could
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> all you need to do is ask :)
07:44 <GodTodd> i think my hosting contract is up in april
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> you can even cname a domain to some host I give you and it'll respond appropriately
07:44 <GodTodd> gonna renew the domain tho
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> that's how we do the wiki
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> tank owns armagetronad.net, he just cnamed wiki.armagetronad.net to wiki.davefancella.com
07:44 <GodTodd> then i might actually do something useful with it too heh
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> there is a pretty significant upgrade planned during spring break, though
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> as soon as I download the newest Mandriva, that is ;)
07:45 <GodTodd> heh
07:45 -!- luke-jr_ [n=luke-jr@2002:1891:f663:0:20e:a6ff:fec4:4e5d] has joined #armagetron
07:45  * Lucifer_arma thinks he's a major revision out of date right now
07:45 <GodTodd> i could even use the ssh i suppose
07:45 <GodTodd> hmmm
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> I'm tired of nursing gentoo
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> you could.  I could fire up an ftp server if you'd prefer that
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> but really, ssh works fine :)
07:46 <GodTodd> well....we have the ssh set up already
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> you can have as many databases as you want, I'll even throw on postgres if you wanted that for some weird reason
07:46 <GodTodd> what's that?
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> er, right now it's got java support, but that may change when I get Mandriva on there
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> postgres is a database that's comparable with oracle
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> but open source
07:47  * luke-jr_ stabs Konv
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> and not nearly as entrenched.
07:47 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr_] by ChanServ
07:47 <@luke-jr_> #later tell Hyphy I don't suppose you could *actually* pay me the $80 owed by any chance, just this once? Kinda short on money here, and your little game might put me negative.
07:47 <GodTodd> ahhh
07:47 <armabot> luke-jr_: The operation succeeded.
07:47 <@luke-jr_> #later tell rickyross I don't suppose you could *actually* pay me the $80 owed by any chance, just this once? Kinda short on money here, and your little game might put me negative.
07:47 <armabot> luke-jr_: The operation succeeded.
07:47 <@luke-jr_> "comparable with oracle" = "lack of standards compliance"?
07:47  * Lucifer_arma wonders how many new monitors luke has to buy when he stabs something
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: how standards compliant can a database be that lets you store php scripts as stored procedures?
07:47 -!- mode/#armagetron [-b Hyphy!*@*] by luke-jr_
07:47 -!- mode/#armagetron [-b *!n=1805ee63@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] by luke-jr_
07:48 -!- mode/#armagetron [-b *!n=1805ee63@*] by luke-jr_
07:48 -!- mode/#armagetron [-b *!*@c-24-7-31-144.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] by luke-jr_
07:48 <@luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: the SQL syntax has issues, IIRC
07:48 <Your_mom_arma> why did you unban him?
07:48 <@luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: I need him to pay me
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> so he could beg him for money, why else?
07:48  * Lucifer_arma really hopes luke figures out not to sell services to known smegheads after this
07:48  * spidey gives luke-jr_ a stolen credit card 
07:48 <spidey> :O
07:49 <Your_mom_arma> what happened to the whole stolen credit card no more buisness with hyphy convo
07:49 <@luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: he wasn't known at the time he started
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> yes he was
07:49 <@luke-jr_> not to me
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> when someone comes in here and talks a bunch of shit to everyone, and then demands you give him a server, he's a known smeghead
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, when he's someone previously unaffiliated with this channel
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> if it were spidey, well...
07:49 <@luke-jr_> that was after he started, I bet
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> nope
07:49 <spidey> ...
07:50 <@luke-jr_> maybe I missed it
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> that was exactly how he did it
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> you did, you weren't here
07:50 <spidey> indeed
07:50 <spidey> remember
07:50  * GodTodd remembers that dude coming in every hour or so.
07:50 <spidey> he came in bitching about luke-jr_ 's hosting sucking because luke-jr_ wasn't here at the time
07:50 <spidey> btw luke-jr_ 
07:50  * luke-jr_ considers requiring people to mail a signature of some sort in the future
07:50 <spidey> when rickyross told you he lived in CA
07:50 <GodTodd> "is luke-jr_ here? i want to get a server.  tell him i'll pay a century in advance" and such
07:50 <spidey> isn't his isp  canadian?
07:51 <@luke-jr_> spidey: is it?
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> "we're not your answering service, send him an email"
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> "Fuck you, you will do it!"
07:51 <@luke-jr_> ROFL
07:51 <@luke-jr_> really??
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> and then some asshat here (I think it was vanhayes) went and relayed the message!
07:51 <GodTodd> luke-jr_: would you mail in a signature to order something?
07:51 <@luke-jr_> GodTodd: dunno :/
07:51 <GodTodd> easy solution
07:51 <@luke-jr_> GodTodd: I'd insist on a digital sig
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> you need to require a billing address for every credit card :)
07:51 <Vanhayes> what did I do?
07:52 <@luke-jr_> but I'm me
07:52 <GodTodd> companies have used it forever
07:52 <GodTodd> pay in advance
07:52 <@luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: there was one, but not his... :/
07:52 <GodTodd> no money, no service
07:52 <GodTodd> *shrug*
07:52 <@luke-jr_> GodTodd: and then it's charged back after I start service?
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> the billing address needs to match with the credit card info...
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> you'll retrieve the credit card info yourself and compare
07:52 <@luke-jr_> I can't get the CC info myself :/
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> then you're not setup right
07:53 <@luke-jr_> I'm arguing with Google on that point actually
07:53 <Vanhayes> why am I an asshat?
07:53 <GodTodd> luke-jr_: you ever tried to charge something back?
07:53 <GodTodd> it's a pain in the ass
07:53 <@luke-jr_> that they failed to provide me with useful info to verify, so they should be responsible
07:53 <@luke-jr_> GodTodd: no it isn't
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: for relaying rickyross's message to luke-jr about setting up service?
07:53 <@luke-jr_> you go to the bank and fill out a form
07:53 <@luke-jr_> easy
07:53 <GodTodd> sure sure
07:53 <GodTodd> you're always right
07:53 <GodTodd> i've never done it
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> it's entirely possible hyphy didn't use a stolen credit card and he did the chargeback himself
07:53 <GodTodd> uh huh
07:53 <@luke-jr_> and yes, I have done it before
07:53 <GodTodd> as have i
07:53 <@luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: that could be interesting
07:54 <@luke-jr_> what really gets me is
07:54 <GodTodd> it's only easy if the company doesn't fight it
07:54 <@luke-jr_> one of them had the name "noob cakes"
07:54 <@luke-jr_> assuming Google even verified that
07:54 <@luke-jr_> GodTodd: I'm finding out right now that I can't fight it
07:54 <Vanhayes> uh not sure if I did that, but once I learned it was hyphy i told luke that he should stop all business with him right then, no good would come of it
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know if you did that, ghableska may have done it to fuck with luke, or spidey.  All's I know for sure is I didn't.  :)
07:55 <GodTodd> if you set up correctly you sure as hell can
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> no, you can't fight a chargeback
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> I think it's a federal law that allows you to do it in the first place
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> only for purchases up to $50, though
07:55 <@luke-jr_> he prepaid about $180
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> it's so that for purchases below a certain amount, large companies like wal-mart could make a lot of money fucking over a lot of people in a little way
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> so they arm you with the chargeback
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> $180 on one single credit card you should be able to fight
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> but if the card was stolen, you're fucked
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> if it was his...
07:56 <@luke-jr_> it probably was stolen :/
07:57 <GodTodd> that puts you back to requiring a valid billing address :)
07:57 <@luke-jr_> wonder if i can get the # of the card owner
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> and using a credit card service that lets you verify it
07:57 <GodTodd> yep
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't PayPal verify credit cards?
07:57 <@luke-jr_> GodTodd: and what if he just gives me the address on the card? I can't verify it...
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> there is no address on the card?
07:57 <@luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: PayPal doesn't give you any info on CCs
07:57  * Lucifer_arma looks at one of his cards
07:57 <GodTodd> ummm...there's an address on it?
07:57 <GodTodd> not on any of mine
07:57 <@luke-jr_> hm
07:57 <@luke-jr_> then how would *I* verify it?
07:58 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma> and using a credit card service that lets you verify i
07:58 <GodTodd> it*
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> nope, no address on mine
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> there are several ways, depending on how you want to do it
07:58 <@luke-jr_> how is a CC service going to get it?
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> I *could* do your research for you, but you should do it
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> Ill give you a pointer, though
07:58 <GodTodd> it's their business to get it
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> look at oscommerce's supported gateway plugins
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> a number of them are for commercial credit card verification systems, with at least 2 for paypal last time I checked
07:59 <GodTodd> if i order from guitarcenter.com, it verifies the billing address before the checkout finishes
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, paypal is evil, but I suspect they strongly verify credit cards
07:59  * luke-jr_ notes PayPal doesn't protect sellers much or care to
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> I've had people reject credit cards when I typoed my mailing address
08:00 <GodTodd> yep
08:00  * Lucifer_arma notes there are services besides paypal
08:00 <GodTodd> many
08:00 <GodTodd> many
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> well, I don't typo it that much
08:00  * luke-jr_ notes PayPal wasn't even involved in Hyphy's transactions
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> my point, made.  :)
08:00  * luke-jr_ should have suspected something when Hyphy had so many problems paying
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> he was going through his stack to see which ones still worked?  ;)
08:01 <wrtlprnft> umm
08:01 <@luke-jr_> he couldn't get a PayPal acct, Google rejected his first few payments as "risky"
08:01 <@luke-jr_> that's my guess looking back on it
08:01 <wrtlprnft> why doesn't kamp use XmlHttpRequest?
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> because nobody was here to tell him about it?
08:01 <@luke-jr_> lol
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> is he still here?
08:01 <wrtlprnft> no
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> oh, no
08:01 <wrtlprnft> otherwise i'd have pinged him
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> is it an opera-specific thing?
08:02 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/list.js
08:02 <wrtlprnft> huh?
08:02 <GodTodd> luke-jr_:): was that before or after you started service?
08:02 <@luke-jr_> looks like something AJAX would use
08:02 <@luke-jr_> GodTodd: after
08:02 <wrtlprnft> all AJAX is based on it
08:02 <wrtlprnft> gmail, flickr, etc
08:02 <@luke-jr_> GodTodd: first payment went through fine
08:02 <@luke-jr_> back when he started
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> (in a snotty voice) well, I did tell him to use ajax... :)
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> hey, you know, whatever happened with hyphy is mostly over now.  I don't think luke's going to get any money out of him, but it would be neat if he did
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> can we worry about how luke can avoid getting fucked over in the future?
08:03 <@luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: BTW, FBI doesn't care about anything under like $15k
08:03 <GodTodd> yeah...i think it's a lost cause
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: why doesn't that surprise me?  :(
08:04 <@luke-jr_> it's the US gov't, that's hwy
08:04 <@luke-jr_> why*
08:04 <GodTodd> yeah...that'd be cost efficient....send the fbi to help everyone who is screwed out of $80
08:04 <GodTodd> :/
08:05 <GodTodd> it's not exactly a rare situation
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> the advantage to paypal is that you can use whatever bank account you want.  The other credit card gateways require you to setup a special merchant account at a bank.
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> amazon has the honor system, too, but I don't know what-all is available from it
08:06 <Your_mom_arma> ask for a billing address, send them a letter with a random string of letter+numbers and ask them to email you back said string of charachters
08:07 <@luke-jr_> haha
08:07 <GodTodd> nah....a cc verification service is better
08:07 <@luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: why not just get a signature mailed?
08:08 <@luke-jr_> Google claimed they provided info for me to assess the risk
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> also, require a deposit
08:08 <@luke-jr_> "CVV : Pass"
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> waive the deposit for people you have reason to trust, but don't get naive on anybody
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> but require like n $80 deposit or so
08:08 <@luke-jr_> hm
08:08 <GodTodd> pretty much, you have to assume a customer is going to screw you
08:09 <GodTodd> until they earn trust
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> right, and you have to conduct yourself in a way that you can protect yourself from said screwing without accusing the customer of being a bad guy
08:09 <GodTodd> exactly
08:09 <@luke-jr_> but the problem is, no matter what I do, I make it harder for people to buy service from me
08:10 <@luke-jr_> and it's difficult enough finding customers already
08:10 <GodTodd> kinda like security cameras in stores are "for your protection and to keep your prices down"
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> getting a better credit card validation service will probably handle 90% of the cases
08:10 <Your_mom_arma> how many customers have you had?
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> but look, consider this
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> a large company with plenty of capital can afford to be screwed by a few customers
08:10 <@luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: 5-10 IIRC
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> they just write it off as a loss (and you can write this off as a loss, and it'll affect your taxes)
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> you're nto a large company with plenty of capital, you need each customer to provide a small amount of reasonable protection
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> even if you just make them buy 3 months to start before letting them go month-to-month
08:11 <GodTodd> for instance....the apartment you're in, luke....did you sign a lease?
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> even so, the place where it really matters is in the credit card validation.  Without a good one, you're in the same boat.
08:12 <@luke-jr_> my next expected customer is getting with friends just to meet the monthly cost, I can't require 2-3 months prepayment :/
08:12 <@luke-jr_> GodTodd: yep, though I hear you can easily ignore those if you ignore the deposit
08:12 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: actually, where did he ask for xml-rpc?
08:12 <wrtlprnft> can't find anything
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: I suggested it
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> he didn't ask for it
08:12 <Your_mom_arma> what are your rates that they would need to split the costs
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> my understanding is that ajax widgets use xml-rpc, and that he'd be able to grab someone else's ajax widget to do the deed
08:13 <@luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: http://lightfoot.dashjr.org
08:13 <GodTodd> luke-jr_: actually...in most states...they can get at least 3 more months of rent from you if you break the lease
08:13 <@luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: the main problem is my target customer base is non-working
08:13 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: no, most don't
08:13 <@luke-jr_> GodTodd: even if the lease is only for 2 or 1 month longer?
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: well, what were you doing sleeping in the middle of the night when you could've been helping kamp?!?!?
08:14 <GodTodd> luke-jr_: no, then they get the rest of the lease....unless the apartment is in impeccable condition
08:14 <Your_mom_arma> even someone who isnt working should be able to pull together $20
08:14 <GodTodd> the point is....they make you obligate to a certain term before considering you for month to month
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> well, he has to weigh it against how much it costs to just get your own server, too
08:14 <@luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: $20 * 3 = $60
08:14 <GodTodd> you rarely can walk into an apartment at month to month status
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: yeah, the potential damages are much different though.  You can trash an apartment and cause thousands of dollars in damage.
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> what's the worst damage luke's going to get?
08:15 <@luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: Windows or managed Linux costs are generally higher
08:15 <@luke-jr_> and the latter don't support Arma anyway
08:15 <GodTodd> yeah...but i was mainly looking at the "earn trust" aspect
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> I'm with you, I suggested a deposit in the first place :)
08:16 <GodTodd> i know
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> but it absolutely can't replace getting a better credit card validation service :)
08:16 <GodTodd> nope
08:16 <Your_mom_arma> are there even 32 civ players?
08:16 <GodTodd> that's the first step
08:16 <@luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: LOL
08:16 <@luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: AIs count toward slots, and yes there are
08:17 <@luke-jr_> the "solution" I'm looking at right now is expanding my target customer base by adding VPS services
08:17  * Lucifer_arma doesn't see a benefit to a commercial civ server offering
08:17  * luke-jr_ doesn't either, and should probably remove it
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> well, what services do you offer right now?
08:17 <@luke-jr_> managed Arma hosting
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> is it just game hosting, or do you do web hosting too?
08:17 <@luke-jr_> web hosting is sortof on the side
08:17 <@luke-jr_> I can't compete with most webhosts
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> no, probably not, most are really huge companies that only make pennies on each customer anyway
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> but you don't need to compete with them in pricce :)
08:18 <@luke-jr_> if I can manage to invest in VPS hosting, I can probably compete in that market
08:19 <Lucifer_arma> you could compete in service, most of the large webhosting companies have issues, angry customers, etc.
08:19 <Lucifer_arma> well, back off a bit and think about it some more.  How would you make money with VPS hosting?
08:19 <Lucifer_arma> what, exactly, is your value offering?
08:19 <@luke-jr_> O.o
08:20 <@luke-jr_> a VPS?
08:20 <Lucifer_arma> in no uncertain terms
08:20 <Lucifer_arma> no, "a VPS" isn't a value offering, it's a piece of software
08:20 <wrtlprnft> waa, i have 999 forum posts :D
08:20 <Lucifer_arma> why do people buy VPS?
08:20  * GodTodd notes that Lucifer_arma is getting dangerously close to the operative term..."mission statement" ;)
08:20 <@luke-jr_> cheap root-access server
08:20 <@luke-jr_> No definitions found for 'value offering'.
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> you need to play the role of the ultra-conservative venture capitalist and convince yourself you actually have a plan :)
08:21 <GodTodd> yep
08:21 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: well, you also get the CPU time and memory it uses
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> value offering is corporatespeak.
08:21 <@luke-jr_> I do, sortof
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: that's still not a value offering!  :)
08:21 <@luke-jr_> colo a box, and set it up to host VPS :p
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> ok, what's google's value offering?
08:21 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: so what's standard web hosting then?
08:21 <wrtlprnft> you get even less
08:21 <@luke-jr_> Google sells something?
08:21 <@luke-jr_> :p
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> google has customers, people use google for something, what's their offering?
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> think back to when google was the late-comer to the search market
08:22 <@luke-jr_> ...
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> why did google take over the market?  what's so special about them?
08:22 <@luke-jr_> they used to be good for searches
08:22 <wrtlprnft> they had a working search engine?
08:22 <wrtlprnft> they had no annoying ads?
08:22 <@luke-jr_> (now they just suck usually)
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> how good?  altavista was pretty good...
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> ask jeeves was pretty good...
08:22 <@luke-jr_> Metacrawler was too :p
08:23 <@luke-jr_> dunno
08:23 <@luke-jr_> Why did AIM pwn Excite! PAL?
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> did google return results faster?
08:23  * luke-jr_ wonders how many people actually know Excite had an IM service
08:23 <wrtlprnft> fast enough
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> did google return a bunch of useful results?
08:23 <DrJoeTron> ta
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> I'll spell it out.  :)
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08:24 <GodTodd> google reached further into the internet than previous engines
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> Their value offering was "Help you to find the information you're looking for quickly and accurately"
08:24 <GodTodd> more*
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> that's still their value offering, they've just extended it.
08:24 <@luke-jr_> except you can't find crap with it
08:24 <@luke-jr_> just a ton of useless webpages
08:24  * GodTodd finds lots of stuff with it.
08:24  * luke-jr_ finds lots of irrelevant and useless stuff with it :p
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> sure you can, but whether or not you can now is irrelevant.  Before their IPO when they could still use PageRank, they had phenomally good results.
08:25 <GodTodd> then you're not using it right :P
08:25 <@luke-jr_> wait-- did PageRank go away?
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> yep.  part of the IPO.  Standford held the patent on it, adn google couldn't do an IPO with the most important piece of intellectual property they used being owned by a third party
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> *Stanford
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> that's why google's results have been degrading, but they've been doing an admirable job replacing PageRank, their results are just degrading.
08:26 <@luke-jr_> :/
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, that's all beside the point.  The point is, they have a very real value offering that they've even applied to their advertising service.
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> now, it's true their advertising service needs work, but there's a lot of "google is a big corporation so are necessarily evil now" going on, too
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> s/but/and
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> point is, you can't just say "I'll sell <this> to people and make money!"
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> that's the slashdot business plan.
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> 1.  Create <this service>
08:28 <@luke-jr_> why not?
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> 2.  ???
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> 3.  Profit!
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> because it doesn't work!
08:28 <@luke-jr_> people do it all the time?
08:28 <@luke-jr_> what are BestBuy and RadioShack and such?
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> 90% of new business ventures fold within the first year
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> they're companies that have a well-defined value offering for the stuff they sell
08:29 <@luke-jr_> all they do is sell crap they buy from someone else
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> remember, RadioShack started off as the only hobbyists electronics store around
08:29  * GodTodd likes fry's. ;)
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> BestBuy is a big cheapo electronics store.  Their value offering?  Large selection of stuff you want for low prices.
08:30 <@luke-jr_> last time I went to BestBuy they told me they didn't have what I wanted
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> fry's has definitely taken over RadioShack's original mission.  RS now seems to just sell cell phones and remote control cars
08:30 <@luke-jr_> (I finally found it)
08:30 <@luke-jr_> I've never seen a Fry's
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't matter if it's what you specifically want, it's what 80% of americans want
08:30 <Your_mom_arma> no fry's where i am either
08:30 <GodTodd> they're spreading :)
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> they're growing rapidly, filling the void left by RadioShack when RS decided to focus on cell phones and RC cars
08:30 <GodTodd> they bought out incredible universe a while back
08:30 <Your_mom_arma> been to their website though
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> when the arrive to Your_mom_arma (hi there!) 's town, he's going to shit a brick
08:31 <@luke-jr_> so what if spidey and I get together and offer VPS hosting with managed services for a wide array of services?
08:31 <GodTodd> yep
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> he's going to build robots and take over the world
08:31 <Your_mom_arma> haha
08:31 <@luke-jr_> wtf is incredible universe?
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: what's the value offering?
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> value offering = the reason people give you money for what you do
08:31 <@luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: wide array of services supported?
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> why?  why does it matter if you have a wide array of services?
08:31 <@luke-jr_> ...
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> that's a property of the company, it's not value to the customer
08:32 <@luke-jr_> sure it is?
08:32 <GodTodd> each service has to have a value
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> you have to put yourself in the customer's shoes and ask "Why should I buy this from them?"
08:32 <@luke-jr_> if the company doesn't support it, you need to do it yourself
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> remember, the customer is looking at competitors, and the competitors may not even be the same thing
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> maybe the competitor is the customer's 8yo cousin
08:32 <@luke-jr_> s/wide array/infinite array? :p
08:32 <GodTodd> if i say, go buy a hard drive.
08:33 <GodTodd> where do you go?
08:33 <@luke-jr_> GodTodd: no clue
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> nobody comes to mind?
08:33 <@luke-jr_> NewEgg and TigerDirect, but I avoid both
08:33 <GodTodd> you've not bought a hard drive?
08:33 <@luke-jr_> not recently
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> so the people that come to mind are people you perceive as not offering sufficient value, or even negative value
08:33 <GodTodd> right
08:33 <Your_mom_arma> goes to newegg
08:34  * Lucifer_arma bought his last hard drive at fry's
08:34 <GodTodd> i go to fry's
08:34 <GodTodd> heh
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> what are people going to do with your VPS service?
08:34 <@luke-jr_> GodTodd: not in the past 3 years
08:34 <GodTodd> ok luke...what have you bought in the last month?
08:34 <GodTodd> name something
08:34 <@luke-jr_> GodTodd: food
08:34 <GodTodd> anything
08:35 <@luke-jr_> that's about it
08:35 <GodTodd> and where did you go?
08:35 <@luke-jr_> Walmart
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sba.gov/smallbusinessplanner/index.html
08:35 <GodTodd> and why?
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to cover you up with links until you believe me
08:35 <@luke-jr_> it's near the bus stop
08:35 <GodTodd> location is part of the value they offer
08:35 <@luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: host crap
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.smallbusinessplanguide.com/web/index.php
08:36 <GodTodd> how about this....wtf do people overpay for coffee at starbucks?
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> Writing a business plan will force you to objectively develop and evaluate your tactical and strategic plans. It will also help you identify the opportunities and risks encountered as a result of your decisions.
08:36 <@luke-jr_> GodTodd: no clue
08:36 <GodTodd> variety, atmosphere, locations.....among others
08:36 <GodTodd> those are all valuable to the customers
08:37 <GodTodd> so much so that 3-4$ for coffee is tolerable
08:37 <Your_mom_arma> the ability to order coffee with names longer then a sentence
08:37 <@luke-jr_> lol
08:37 <GodTodd> that too for some ;)
08:38 <GodTodd> see...the first thing you have to do is make sure *you* know what you offer of value to the customer
08:38 <GodTodd> if you don't know neither do they
08:38 <GodTodd> and you have to be able to tell them what it is in order to convince them they *need* it
08:38 <@luke-jr_> people who want VPS's or specific services usually know what they want already
08:39 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.entrepreneur.com/bizstartups/index.html
08:39 <GodTodd> you can't assume that the customer knows anything
08:39 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: that's not good enough
08:39 <Lucifer_arma> basically here's what's happening:
08:39 <Lucifer_arma> "Why should I buy VPS from you and not somebody else?"  "I don't know."
08:39 <@luke-jr_> "My prices are cheaper"?
08:39 <Lucifer_arma> how much money is "I don't know" worth?
08:39 <GodTodd> than who?
08:40 <GodTodd> you have to know your competition too
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> "your prices are cheaper, so I see, but you get what you pay for."
08:40 <@luke-jr_> :p
08:40 <@luke-jr_> "you have more control when there is a problem"
08:40 <GodTodd> than which service(s)
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> seriously, you do.  I did more volume when I raised prices in my barbecue stand and tapped the whole market.
08:40 <GodTodd> ?
08:40 <@luke-jr_> than any other VPS host I've seen
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> people didn't want to buy the food when it was cheaper because they didn't think it could be good for that price.
08:40 <GodTodd> too general
08:41 <@luke-jr_> ...
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> how about "Your mysql database will fly on my VPS"
08:41 <GodTodd> that sounds better :)
08:41 <@luke-jr_> who cares? :p
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> how about "You'll spend less time working on your server and more time doing business"
08:41 <GodTodd> nobody if you wanna lose money...
08:41 <GodTodd> "don't worry about your server, that's our job"
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> right, "Take care of your customers, we'll take care of your silicon"
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> and read some of the links I just gave you before I got bored
08:43 <GodTodd> "server maintenance greek to you? we'll assign a geek to you!"
08:43 <GodTodd> man that was lame
08:43 <GodTodd> heh
08:43 <@luke-jr_> O.o
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> haha, that was awesome
08:43 <@luke-jr_> GodTodd: you steal that?
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> maybe me and todd should start up a VPS business
08:43 <GodTodd> nope
08:43 <GodTodd> made that up right now
08:43 <@luke-jr_> >.>
08:43 <GodTodd> i want a cut if you use it
08:43 <@luke-jr_> and you say it's lame...
08:43 <GodTodd> :P
08:43 <@luke-jr_> XD
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> it is lame, but it's exactly the kind of thing that'll get someone to click a link and read the 5 pages you wrote describing your value offering in detail
08:44 <GodTodd> exactly
08:44 <GodTodd> the point of it is to get the chuckle and humanize the whole thing
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> and then, if you've done your work really well and you have a good service, then, maybe, if you're lucky, 20% of the people who made it that far will buy it
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> that's what you're up against
08:44 <@luke-jr_> couldn't use it without actually having a staff tho, I'd think
08:44 <GodTodd> why?
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> are you a geek?  are you going to assign yourself to your customers?
08:45 <GodTodd> it can be the "royal we"
08:45 <@luke-jr_> eh, it sortof implies a dedicated geek
08:45 <GodTodd> nah
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> are you a dedicated geek?
08:45 <@luke-jr_> ...
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> you're not a part-time geek, are you?
08:45 <GodTodd> you don't say "we'll give you your own geek"
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> no, what it implies is that when they need help or there's trouble, you will be there to help them
08:45 <GodTodd> it says "a geek will maintain your shit"
08:45 <@luke-jr_> heh
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> it implies that you won't ignore their problems, no matter how petty
08:46 <GodTodd> exactly
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> it makes you feel good :)
08:46 <@luke-jr_> what if I want to ignore petty problems? :p
08:46 <GodTodd> which is a value *dingdingding* over a conglomerate.
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> then you should consider working in a large tech support department instead
08:47 <@luke-jr_> hum
08:47 <@luke-jr_> what makes a problem 'petty' anyhow?
08:47  * GodTodd thinks he and Lucifer_arma should be business consultants.
08:47 <GodTodd> heh
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> nothing, nothing at all.  A customers problems are real.
08:47 <@luke-jr_> so why can't I ignore a null array?
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> even if it takes you 10 seconds to fix the problem and you *know* they could have done it yourself.
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08:48  * Lucifer_arma thinks if luke ever listens to him and GodTodd, and is successful, then luke should pay us $millions.
08:48 <GodTodd> thing is....you can charge *more* if you have a way to guarantee uptime.
08:48 <@luke-jr_> GodTodd: what kind of a cut were you thinking?
08:48 <GodTodd> negotiable ;)
08:48 <Your_mom_arma> 1 900 tech support
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> indeed, you can charge more if you offer better personal service
08:48 <@luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: successful is $millions?
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> or stock options :)
08:49 <@luke-jr_> GodTodd: to guarantee uptime would require owning the datacenter more or less
08:49 <GodTodd> not necessarily
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08:49 <@luke-jr_> unless you can "pass on" an upstream guarantee
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> not at all, you have to depend on the datacenter, obviously
08:49 <GodTodd> exactly
08:49 <GodTodd> you're getting it :)
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> but if you mirror them enough on several datacenters so you can switch out from one to the other...
08:49 <GodTodd> yep
08:50 <@luke-jr_> not without interruptions
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> or if you keep yourself in a spot where you can quickly restore them on another server
08:50 <GodTodd> that's why you do 9X% uptime
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> no, not without interruptions, but it's perception that matters
08:50 <GodTodd> no one guarantees 100%
08:50 <@luke-jr_> GodTodd: yes they do
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> no, but you do need to guarantee a lot of 9s for the service to be reliable
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> er
08:50 <@luke-jr_> I've seen it
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> competitive
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> then they weren't expecting you to believe it
08:51 <@luke-jr_> VPS's aren't mirrorable either
08:51 <GodTodd> like earthlink....if you have a business dsl account they guarantee something like 98 or 99% uptime
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> they cant guarantee 100% uptime becuase they have to periodically do maintenance and crap, replace parts and stuff, and it's nearly impossible to do all that without causing downtime for someone
08:51 <GodTodd> but it's like twice as much
08:51 <@luke-jr_> actually, it was physical dedicated servers that had the 100%
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> ah
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> then they know damn well you'll never be able to do it because you'll break it yourself plenty of times )
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> :)
08:52 <@luke-jr_> hmm
08:52 <@luke-jr_> even if you just leave it running a ping? :)
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08:52 <GodTodd> you also need to think about (since it's online shit) a TOS of some sort
08:52 <@luke-jr_> http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/?page=svcterms
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> which says something like "we do <this> for you, and you do <this> for us"
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> where your <this> is a VALUE OFFERING
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.corporateassociates.co.in/value-offering.html
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> there you go, there's someone else's value offering
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> it's a little hard to read, it's a bunch of corporatespeak
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> We have spent a great deal of time ensuring a strong value offering and a 'real' solution set - the implementation, although challenging, has been beneficial to both the customer and Affinity.  <--- from an interview I found
08:55 <@luke-jr_> http://quantact.com/ <-- value offering is top, bottom, or both?
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> bottom
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> top is features
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, you can generate the bottom from the top pretty simply
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> make a chart
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> in the left column, list features
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> in the middle column, define the feature
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> in the right column, write a sentence or two describing how it's a benefit to the customer
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> when you're done with all of your features, take the right column and write it into an essay
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> then read it back to yourself
08:57 <@luke-jr_> ...
08:57 <@luke-jr_> who would read an essay to decide on services to buy?
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> the whole entire world
08:57 <GodTodd> in fact...i've often thought of starting a business....but i can't think of anything i can fit into a viable value statement so i know it'll fail ;)
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> but that's irrelevant, the essay is for you, not your customers
08:57  * luke-jr_ wouldn't
08:57 <@luke-jr_> I just skim the datacenter specs, making sure it suits my needs etc
08:58 <Lucifer_arma> when it's time to write actual sales copy, you follow a similar process, but the end result is different by design
08:58 <GodTodd> it goes back to the "you need to know what you offer before you offer it"
08:58 <Lucifer_arma> because you have to accomodate people who skim :)
08:58 <Lucifer_arma> you also have to accomodate people who want to read 10k words before deciding
08:58 <GodTodd> yep
08:58 <Lucifer_arma> in any case, the essay I've just assigned as your homework is for you to read and understand.
08:59 <@luke-jr_> do I need to write it? XD
08:59 <@luke-jr_> or can I make Corinne?
08:59 <GodTodd> shit...some people do it as a simple FAQ
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> and you have to do the process, the process is very important
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> if you want to make corinne do it, I'd suggest you do the table at least
09:00 <GodTodd> anyone seen those "Dogbones" pillows in stores?
09:01 <@luke-jr_> think it would work to have the service be "whatever is necessary to fit your hosting requirements" with the first month free while the pricing is evaluated? :o
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> no, you'll lose too much money that way
09:01 <@luke-jr_> hm
09:01 <GodTodd> if you have a lot of money to lose, sure
09:01 <@luke-jr_> difficult to evaluate arbitrary services
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> you want to spell out explicitly what you'll do, and then when you do things outside the list, people will love you for it
09:02 <@luke-jr_> without actually running them
09:02 <GodTodd> that's why you make it solid but "negotiable"
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but they'll pay for the evaluation
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> when a business is serious about it, you have to consider that they're already paying 2-3 guys $80k/year to evaluate the service
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> what does it matter if they toss $2k onto the pile to evaluate your service for a few months?
09:03 <GodTodd> "can you do this too?" "Sure can! that's a free service but that other thing will cost extra, i'm afraid"
09:03 <@luke-jr_> you're assuming I'm selling to businesses
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> selling to businesses is easy, compared to selling to regular people :)
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you're not selling to business, you have to work even harder to justify your value offering
09:04 <@luke-jr_> not when the businesses have enough $ to replace me entirely
09:04 <GodTodd> luke-jr_: mine doesn't assume any such thing :P
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> because the services most people are looking for can be provided on myspace :/
09:04 <@luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: what if I create hype about having your own IM service? XD
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> you'll be suprised how big a business can be before they take all their IT into their own offices
09:05 <@luke-jr_> nah, MSN emulates that too much :/
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> but it doesn't matter, you sell to who you want to sell to.  The important thing is that third column, where you describe why your feature is a benefit to your customer
09:05 <@luke-jr_> company I work for is about 16 people and we do our own IT mostly
09:05 <GodTodd> see...you have to be unique or clever.....really helps if you're both :D
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> and to fill in that third column, you have to put yourself in the shoes of your customer
09:06 <Lucifer_arma> hey GodTodd (hi there!) , you want to sell software?  :)
09:06 <GodTodd> hrmm?
09:06 <Lucifer_arma> I still need to make the initial distribution...
09:06 <Lucifer_arma> I've still got that guy in oz that's talking it over with his partners
09:06  * luke-jr_ needs to get to bed >_<
09:06 <@luke-jr_> zzzzzzz
09:06  * luke-jr_ 2 hrs overdue
09:06 <Lucifer_arma> ok, but as soon as that essay is done, I want to see it and the table :)
09:07 <Lucifer_arma> and don't forget to take op from yourself
09:07 <GodTodd> we'll whip this business into shape yet ;)
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09:08 <GodTodd> what software? just audacity or do you have an in to a bunch of stuff? ;)
09:09 <Lucifer_arma> built around audacity, any software that would be intensify the value offering is ok :)
09:09 <Lucifer_arma> all software has to be open source, of course
09:10 <GodTodd> so pretty much you're offering an "easily installable source disk for a valuable piece of software"?
09:10 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, does most of what your average band on a budget needs to record an album, for a price they can afford
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> basically, any working band should be able to record CDs with it, period
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> unsigned, probably all have day jobs and are doing the band as a labor of love
09:12 <GodTodd> if you download it do you have to put components together on it?
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> don't have the $30k to spend in a recording studio, do have $700 computers
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> well, we have to add stuff to make it worth buying over just downloading audacity for free :)
09:12 <GodTodd> exactly what i'm after :)
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> we also have to give up a portion of profits to support audacity directly
09:13 <GodTodd> definitely
09:13 <GodTodd> they'd be a "partner"
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> right.  :)
09:14 <GodTodd> without their program, no cd :)
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> try explaining that to the people who have taken it, changed the name, and tried to pass it off as their own
09:14  * GodTodd wouldn't want to converse with those people.
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> we have to go to ebay and try to sell it there, but we don't have to expect to make any money at it
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> we'll be doing it to attack the people I just mentioned :)
09:15 <GodTodd> haha
09:15 <GodTodd> "don't accept imitations!  the real deal for a better price!"
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> indeed.  Even link the imitations we know about to show them :)
09:15 <GodTodd> yep
09:16 <Lucifer_arma> I figure we'll cafepress to regular consumers, and then try to hit up OEM sales somehow
09:16 <Lucifer_arma> start with small shops and move on up
09:16 <GodTodd> that's probably the most prudent way to go
09:16 <Lucifer_arma> get it to where the business is worth a million or so, then sell it, take the money and run :)
09:16 <GodTodd> how many copies is the aussie considering?
09:17 <Lucifer_arma> 500-1000 is his first batch size discussed
09:17  * GodTodd isn't counting chickens....but that's not a bad starting point.
09:18 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's not bad at all.  Also, we'll be developing a base cd distribution that the audacity project will be selling directly from their own store
09:18 <Lucifer_arma> THAT cd needs some value-add to it, and we need to value-add on top of it.
09:18 <GodTodd> they will?
09:18 <Lucifer_arma> seriously, we've got our work cut out for us, but it's the right way to do it
09:19 <GodTodd> well you figure...people buy shit from the people they think they're "screwing" the most
09:19 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, see, I'll develop the automation scripts required to build the CD, and I'll use them to build audacity's CD
09:19 <GodTodd> ah
09:19 <Lucifer_arma> then I'll add our own stuff on top of it and we go try to sell it :)
09:19 <Lucifer_arma> we'll maintain audacity's for them as part of our contribution to them, and in exchange we get a ton of goodwill, which means bugfixes!
09:19 <GodTodd> right
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> make no mistake, we will be paying them for their time, even if we don't make any money for awhile :)
09:20 <GodTodd> and the better the relationship the better *our* cd is over any other
09:20 <GodTodd> more value
09:21 <Lucifer_arma> right
09:21 <GodTodd> kinda like "buy at wholesale cost" is a misnomer....some people's "wholesale cost" is way below others
09:21 <Lucifer_arma> so, if you want to do this with me, we have to do everything we just told luke to do
09:21 <GodTodd> yep
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> and then split up the work somehow.  If the aussie guy actually orders, I can probably get my wife to jump on sales here in austin
09:22 <GodTodd> which, for me at least, means also familiarizing myself with the product
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> well, you did say you'd have time to play your guitar over spring break :)
09:22 <GodTodd> hopefully ;)
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> you can also go to /home/share/music on my server and get some tracks to play with
09:23 <GodTodd> i think i downloaded it not too long ago
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> those will take awhile to download, you'll just have to put the time into it if you haven't already
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> they're around 40MB each
09:23 <GodTodd> the oggs or the mp3s?
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> but you can grab a drum line and its corresponding bass and guitar lines
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> .wav files
09:23 <GodTodd> ahhh
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> gridownsme is pretty small
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> grab the waves and import them into audacity to fool with :)
09:24 <GodTodd> that's helpful :)
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> it looks like there's no guitar for it
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> ok, better pick
09:25 <GodTodd> what about the smegforbrains stuff?
09:25 <Lucifer_arma>  /home/share/music/armagetron/opening_track
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> I can't guarantee there are any individual tracks left for smegforbrains
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> I've got mixes I'm intending to encode and put up on the website, burn off a CD and send to cafepress
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> I've been procrastinating that for sooo long
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> I should just fucking do it, right now!
09:26 <GodTodd> heh
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> I'm as dressed up as I'm going to get, I just need a photo
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> got my scanner working, I can draw up the cover
09:27 <GodTodd> heh
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> I just pissed off my 3yo.  He walked up to the edge of the couch like he always does and waited for me to tell him to go lay with his mom
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> instead of that, though, I just sent him back to his bed
09:31 <GodTodd> haha
09:31 <GodTodd> so...audacity is essentially a poor man's studio mixer or something?
09:32 <Lucifer_arma> pretty much
09:32 <Lucifer_arma> it's actually quite full-featured, and growing of course
09:32 <GodTodd> ok...that's good value from the product itself then
09:32 <GodTodd> :)
09:32 <Lucifer_arma> it does some things that makes it better than the commercial proprietary offerings
09:32 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, it's a wonderful program.  I do all of my mixing with it
09:33 <Lucifer_arma> I do my initial recording with ecasound, though.  But after that's done, I do the rest in audacity.
09:33 <GodTodd> what kind of equipment (if any) do you need to utilize audacity?
09:33 <Lucifer_arma> you can do recording in it, I just find it easier/faster to use ecasound from the commandline
09:33 <Lucifer_arma> just a sound card
09:33 <GodTodd> k
09:34 <Lucifer_arma> you can literally record a song and engineer it to the same level of quality as anything recorded in 1993 using a $300 computer you bought at wal-mart
09:34 <GodTodd> nice :)
09:34 <Lucifer_arma> the problem, though, is how do we get all the independent bands out there to know about it without having to go to each one individually to make the sale?
09:35 <Lucifer_arma> the answer is that we need to get on the shelves of fry's :)
09:35 <GodTodd> right
09:36 <GodTodd> possibly music stores too
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> guitarcenter
09:36 <GodTodd> yep
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> probably want to hit up any mom and pop's still alive
09:36 <GodTodd> definitely
09:36 <GodTodd> pretty much...any place that "part time" musicians go
09:37 <GodTodd> the more people that use it and like it, the more word of mouth helps
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09:56 <Lucifer_arma> mkdir distributo
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> er, oops
09:57 <hang3r> lol, sloppy focus lucifer?
09:58 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it happens sometimes
09:58 <Lucifer_arma> good thing though, that would have been a typo
09:59 <hang3r> I'm waiting for the day someone gets caught with their pants down doing an "rm -rf .pron"
09:59 <Lucifer_arma> heh
10:00 <Lucifer_arma> I have a quickly-expiring cache so I don't have to worry about it
10:00 <Lucifer_arma> I did start up a movie one time with my speakers accidentally cranked
10:00 <Lucifer_arma> but my kids didn't think horse noises were unusual :P
10:01  * Lucifer_arma wants some music now
10:01 <spidey> luke-jr_, don't involve me in your crap :|
10:01 <Lucifer_arma> what did he do this time?
10:01 <spidey> something about vps hosting
10:02 <spidey> dunno i got a pop up
10:02 <Lucifer_arma> ?  what did that have to do with you?
10:02 <Lucifer_arma> probably just one of our sidelong cheapshots at you :)
10:03 <hang3r> Lucifer_arma, Horse noises? So you're into the good stuff then... :X
10:03 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, no
10:03 <spidey> #last --with spidey --nolimit
10:03 <armabot> spidey: [08:42:30] <luke-jr_> so what if spidey and I get together and offer VPS hosting with managed services for a wide array of services?, [08:06:23] <Lucifer_arma> I don't know if you did that, ghableska may have done it to fuck with luke, or spidey.  All's I know for sure is I didn't.  :), [08:02:21] <luke-jr_> spidey: is it?, [08:01:05] <Lucifer_arma> if it were spidey, well..., [07:53:19] (9 more messages)
10:04  * Lucifer_arma can't see luke partnering with a known heathen for a business venture
10:04 <hang3r> lol
10:04 <spidey> huh?
10:05 <Lucifer_arma> you know, I only get writer's block when I start a new program
10:05 <Lucifer_arma> what do I do first?
10:05 <spidey> pwned :D
10:05 <spidey> rm -rf /
10:05 <spidey> :D
10:06 <Lucifer_arma> ssh hachi.dashjr.org - rm -rf /
10:06 <Lucifer_arma> oops, wrong window again
10:06 <spidey> haha
10:06 <hang3r> Lucifer_arma, just start on a library that it needs, or at least a function 
10:06 <Lucifer_arma> I always wind up rewriting when I do that :(
10:06 <Lucifer_arma> maybe I should just bite the bullet and do the inevitable rewrite?
10:07 <Lucifer_arma> but that's work!  That's force times distance!
10:07 <hang3r> why rewrite, just improve what you have, unless of course a rewrite is needed
10:07 <Lucifer_arma> heh
10:07 <Lucifer_arma> you should see how much time I waste tweaking function parameters :)
10:07 <Lucifer_arma> "Er, I don't like the name of that parameter"
10:07 <Lucifer_arma> "Now I want to use keyword arguments"
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> "Nah, keyword arguments suck, I want to go back"
10:08 <hang3r> lolGotMilkFromCow()
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> I think I need a metal playlist, that's my problem
10:09 <Lucifer_arma> ahhhhhhhh
10:10 <spidey> rock man, rock!
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, I wanted to take the input from a file and just pass a filename on the commandline
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> (nothing clears my mind like good metal)
10:10 <spidey> rock < metal
10:11 <spidey> alligator mouth eats loser
10:11 <Lucifer_arma> right on!
10:11 <spidey> :D
10:11 <Lucifer_arma> er, no!
10:11 <spidey> lmao
10:11  * Lucifer_arma ============D   >spidey
10:12  * Lucifer_arma ============D  >spidey
10:12  * Lucifer_arma ============D >spidey
10:12  * Lucifer_arma ============D>spidey
10:12 <spidey> ===============|-)~~~~ Lucifer_arma 
10:12 <spidey> OO
10:12  * Lucifer_arma =>spidey====D
10:12  * Lucifer_arma =>spidey====D    >hang3r
10:13 <Lucifer_arma> hey, why did my dick get shorter after I impaled spidey with it?
10:13 <spidey> old age
10:13  * Lucifer_arma =>spidey========D>hang3r
10:13  * Lucifer_arma =>spidey>hang3r==============D
10:13 <Lucifer_arma> there, just like worms
10:13 <spidey> shrivvels up over time
10:13 <spidey> :D
10:13 <Lucifer_arma> it gets bigger every time it eats something
10:14 <spidey> maybe i'll start stabbing from the inside
10:14 <spidey> :O
10:14 <Lucifer_arma> you know, this is beautiful and meaningful irc artwork, but I *am* trying to write a program
10:14 <spidey> #kill Lucifer_arma 
10:14 <armabot> Lucifer_arma will die on Thu Mar  5 02:56:53 1987 due to being stabbed in the eye by luke-jr_.
10:14 <spidey> hah
10:14 <Lucifer_arma> wow, he got me before he was born
10:15 <spidey> lol
10:15 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so I need to read the file to get a list of files I want to encode
10:16 <Lucifer_arma> I guess I'll pass in the encoding formats on the commandline
10:16 <Lucifer_arma> ah fuck it, I'll just start coding
10:17 <hang3r> my syntax.
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10:17 <spidey> O.o
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10:18  * spidey wish nohup didn't overwrite nohup.out
10:18 <hang3r> !ping
10:18 <spidey> then i wouldn't need logs :(
10:18 <spidey> #ping
10:18 <armabot> pong
10:18 <hang3r> #ping
10:18 <armabot> pong
10:18 <Lucifer_arma> er
10:18 <Lucifer_arma> I think nohup.out is just garbage anyway
10:18 <spidey> it's a console log
10:19 <spidey> and i'll be needing it since i can't figure out how to make startserver do it
10:19 <Lucifer_arma> sudo /etc/init.d/armagetronad-dedicated start
10:19 <spidey> ?
10:20 <Lucifer_arma> this is where I got hung up last time
10:20 <Lucifer_arma> I think I'll just hardcode it, that'll fix it for me :)
10:22 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah
10:22 <Lucifer_arma> now I remember what's supposed to be in the file
10:26 <hang3r> wow shrunkland is just full of rim riders
10:27  * hang3r misses oscilloscope and fonkey, supertard and etc
10:27  * spidey doesn't miss oscilloscope
10:30 <spidey> i've been doing other stuff and forgot my local server was offline >.<
10:30  * spidey will only have dsl for a few months :(
10:30 <spidey> there's a gas leak so we ran out of gas earlier than we where supposed to...so had to disconnect the cable :(
10:32 <hang3r> buy a wireless card and see if there are any access points in your area (I.E. small businesses, neighbors etc)
10:32  * spidey lives in the woods :D
10:36 <xfroggy> I think animals use wifi nowdays also
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10:51 <Lucifer_arma> not in tennessee, those animals are hick animals
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10:53 <spidey> :O
10:54  * Lucifer_arma catches hang3r and throws him back
10:54 <spidey> cheater
10:55 <hang3r> shh, im trying to fix xchat events to my liking
10:55  * spidey pokes hang3r 
10:55 <spidey> :D
10:56 <spidey> shit
10:56 <spidey> gotta get up in 2 hours, lost track of time, bbl1
10:56 <Lucifer_arma> whatcha doing, hang3r (hi there!) ?
10:57 <hang3r> im trying to get rid of the horizontal tab that separates the time from the actual text
10:57 <hang3r> err vertical rather
10:59 <Lucifer_arma> Uptime: 3 days, 14 hours and 7 minutes
10:59 <hang3r> hang3r@Prometheus:~$ uptime
10:59 <hang3r>  20:59:46 up  4:39,  2 users,  load average: 0.20, 0.25, 0.27
11:01 <Lucifer_arma> that's not a bad uptime for a laptop, though :)
11:01 <Lucifer_arma> at least, when it can't hibernate properly :(
11:01 <Lucifer_arma> now, what format do I want for the input file?
11:01 <Lucifer_arma> I hate coming up with file formats :/
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> I know, I'll just make it a python file!  :)
11:03  * Lucifer_arma wonders if it would be more useful to make Drupal encode on the fly for the first download and cache the result for subsequent downloads
11:09 <hang3r> can someone type a message with my nickname in it please
11:12 <spidey> gay
11:12 <spidey> can't sleep :(
11:13  * spidey does something useful, like finish his math he has to test on today
11:13 <hang3r> #whois
11:13 <spidey> o.O
11:13 <hang3r> #whoareyou hang3r
11:13 <armabot> hang3r: I am your woman.
11:20 <Lucifer_arma> hang3r: hang3r (hi there!) hang3r (hi there!) 
11:20 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I give up
11:20 <Lucifer_arma> I'm now too sleepy to think straight
11:20  * Lucifer_arma recalls this happened the last time he tried to write this program
11:23 <spidey> what program?
11:26 <Lucifer_arma> the one I tried to coerce you into writing :)
11:26 <spidey> what's that?
11:26 <Lucifer_arma> take a list of sound files with artist/title/album/track and output a series of ogg/mp3 files of varying quality
11:27 <Lucifer_arma> basically, start with say 5 tracks and wind up writing 30 files, 15 oggs of low/medium/high quality and 15 mp3s of same
11:27 <Lucifer_arma> it's a lot of work to do by hand
11:28 <Lucifer_arma> of course, if I just did it by hand, it would already be done, instead of waiting for this program to materialize out of thin air, as it were
11:28 <spidey> man
11:28 <spidey> i tell ya what
11:29 <spidey> tomorrow after i finish the control pa