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Log from 2007-02-02: --- Day changed Fri Feb 02 2007 00:10 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12.240.54.90] has quit ["O_o"] 00:17 -!- MaZuffeR [n=MaZuffeR@darkmoor.sby.abo.fi] has quit ["Leaving."] 00:25 -!- kamp [n=kamp@ip72-209-64-18.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #armagetron 00:25 <kamp> hm 00:25 <kamp> #roulette 00:25 <kamp> ... 00:25 <kamp> #ping 00:25 <kamp> sigh 00:25 -!- kamp [n=kamp@ip72-209-64-18.ga.at.cox.net] has left #armagetron [] 00:26 <@armabot> kamp: *click* 00:26 <@armabot> pong 00:32 <luke-jr_work> lol 00:40 -!- zmanuel [n=manuel@p5087354F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 00:57 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu83w-156034205108.nb.aliant.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:57 <DrJoeTron> that athf stuff is fucking hilarious 00:59 <luke-jr_work> ......... 01:00 -!- wejp_ [n=j@i577BA085.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:03 -!- wejp_ [n=j@i577BB085.versanet.de] has joined #armagetron 01:11 -!- Genki [n=44e46ffa@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron 01:11 -!- Genki is now known as Stempo 01:15 <DrJoeTron> and makes me hate boston 01:15 <DrJoeTron> ...not the band 01:17 -!- wejp_ [n=j@i577BB085.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:18 <Stempo> Boston is a band? 01:24 -!- wejp [n=j@i577BB085.versanet.de] has joined #armagetron 01:24 -!- Stempo [n=44e46ffa@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has quit ["CGI:IRC (EOF)"] 01:34 <DrJoeTron> uh...yeah? 02:01 -!- GodTodd [n=GodTodd@cpe-76-183-44-91.tx.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:05 <luke-jr_work> lol 02:14 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12.240.54.90] has joined #Armagetron 02:14 <ghableska> #weather 50266 02:14 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 17.4°F (7:12 PM CST on February 01, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 5.0°F. Pressure: 28.80 in 975.2 hPa. 02:24 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@unaffiliated/madmaxpt/x-23911] has joined #armagetron 02:37 <ghableska> hi max 03:19 -!- spidey_ [i=spidey@68-119-125-27.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #armagetron 03:19 -!- spidey [i=spidey@unaffiliated/mcspiddles] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:23 <spidey_> growl 03:24 -!- spidey_ is now known as spidey 03:27 <ghableska> wind chill of -30 tonight :/ 03:28 <spidey> #weather 38256 03:28 <@armabot> spidey: The current temperature in Paris, Tennessee is 32.5°F (8:28 PM CST on February 01, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 30.2°F. Windchill: 30.2°F. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa. Snow Advisory in effect until 6 am CST Friday... 03:28 <spidey> ....... 03:28 <spidey> they keep changing it, lol 03:29 <spidey> they canceled gateway today :D 03:36 <ghableska> ? 03:37 <ghableska> #weather 50266 03:38 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 16.5°F (8:36 PM CST on February 01, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 5.0°F. Windchill: 8.6°F. Pressure: 28.83 in 976.2 hPa. 04:14 -!- Durka [n=Justin@cpe-76-167-238-228.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron 04:14 <Durka> #hello 04:14 <Durka> spidey: ping 04:14 <@armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: BOFH Excuse #107: || The keyboard isn't plugged in 04:14 <ghableska> hi Durka 04:14 <Durka> yo 04:15 * Durka doesn't poke ghab o_O (for once :P) 04:15 <ghableska> o_O 04:15 <ghableska> #weather 50266 04:15 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 17.1°F (9:12 PM CST on February 01, 2007). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 8.6°F. Windchill: 6.8°F. Pressure: 28.84 in 976.5 hPa. 04:15 <ghableska> brr 04:16 <Durka> lol 04:16 <ghableska> #cnn 50266 04:16 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, IA is 14.0°F. Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Wind: WSW at 5 mph (8 km/h). 04:23 <spidey> Durka,wtf 04:23 <ghableska> spidey: ftw 04:24 <spidey> ghableska, twf 04:24 <ghableska> spidey, 04:24 <spidey> WHAT 04:24 <ghableska> ? 04:25 <ghableska> #weather Fargo 04:25 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Fargo, ND is -9.0°F. Conditions: Blowing Snow. Humidity: 71%. Wind: WSW at 9 mph (14 km/h). 04:25 <spidey> #weather ghableska 04:25 <@armabot> spidey: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "ghableska". 04:25 <spidey> #weather syberia 04:26 <@armabot> spidey: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "syberia". 04:26 <ghableska> #weather siberia 04:26 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Huntingburg, Indiana is 26.6°F (9:15 PM CST on February 01, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Windchill: 21.2°F. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010 hPa. 04:26 <ghableska> o_O 04:26 <spidey> the fuck? 04:26 <ghableska> #weather Moscow 04:26 <@armabot> ghableska: Temperature: 7°F / -14°C | Humidity: 79% | Pressure: 29.89in / 1012hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 6:00 AM MSK; Partly Cloudy. High:15 ° F. / -9 ° C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:3 ° F. / -16 ° C.; Overcast. High:12 ° F. / -11 ° C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:8 ° F. / -13 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. High:12 ° F. / -11 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:6 (1 more message) 04:27 <ghableska> #weather Ulaanbaatar 04:27 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia is 12.2°F (11:30 AM ULAT on February 02, 2007). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 6.8°F. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa. 04:27 <ghableska> #weather Krasnoyarsk 04:28 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Krasnoyarsk, Russia is 17.6°F (10:00 AM KRAT on February 02, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 15.8°F. Windchill: 10.4°F. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa. 04:28 <Durka> hi spidey 04:28 <ghableska> warm o_O 04:28 <Durka> ya lol sry 04:28 <spidey> Durka, wtf 04:28 <Durka> http://fallen-angels.com/phpBB2 04:28 <Durka> fa clan? 04:28 * ghableska pokes Durka 04:28 <spidey> yea 04:28 <Durka> nice site thouh 04:28 <spidey> heh 04:28 <Durka> are u done with the 100% image map site yet :p 04:28 <spidey> no 04:28 <spidey> that's been canceled 04:29 <Durka> awww 04:30 * Durka was looking forward to it 04:30 * Durka pokes back :p 04:30 <spidey> the guy is probably quitting the soldat clan 04:30 <spidey> so whenever i get time i have to figure something new out 04:30 <Durka> soldat is for n00bs 04:30 <spidey> ... 04:30 <Durka> played it once 04:31 <Durka> didnt like it 04:31 <Durka> i got fucking pwnd 04:31 <Durka> lwl 04:31 <spidey> then you're the noob ;) 04:31 <Durka> true dat 04:31 <ghableska> spidey: remind me what soldat is? 04:31 <ghableska> *. 04:31 <spidey> 2-d shooter 04:31 <spidey> think mario bros and counter strike 04:31 <Durka> lol 04:32 <ghableska> soldat sucks 04:33 <spidey> Durka, y? 04:34 <Durka> why what 04:34 <spidey> why do you wanna know? 04:34 <Durka> know what 04:34 <spidey> .. 04:35 <spidey> nothing 04:35 <Durka> ...···... 04:38 <ghableska> #insight 04:38 <@armabot> ghableska: The rapid prospects of rain forests will intensify tomorrow's human psyche. 04:39 <ghableska> #insight 04:39 <@armabot> ghableska: The accelerating hastening of the American justice system will hasten our future medical insights. 04:39 <ghableska> bah 04:39 <ghableska> #night 04:39 <@armabot> Good night ghableska! 04:39 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12.240.54.90] has left #Armagetron [] 04:40 <Durka> #fight spidey_ durka 04:40 <@armabot> Durka: Error: The command "fight" is available in the Google and Sourceforge plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "fight". 04:40 <Durka> #g fight spidey_ durka 04:40 <@armabot> Durka: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything. 04:40 <Durka> o_O 04:40 <Durka> #goodbye 04:40 <@armabot> Goodbye Durka :( 04:40 <Durka> bbl 04:40 <Durka> #roulette 04:40 <@armabot> Durka: *click* 04:40 <Durka> #roulette 04:40 <@armabot> Durka: *click* 04:40 <Durka> #roulette 04:40 <@armabot> Durka: *click* 04:40 <Durka> #roulette 04:40 -!- Durka was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!] 04:40 * armabot reloads and spins the chambers. 04:47 <DrJoeTron> puzzle pirates! 04:48 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o armabot] by ChanServ 04:54 -!- GodTodd [n=GodTodd@cpe-76-183-44-91.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron 07:31 -!- zmanuel [n=manuel@p508734D5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #armagetron 07:47 <DrJoeTron> this game is rediculously addicting 07:49 <spidey> ? 07:51 <DrJoeTron> puzzle pirates 07:52 <DrJoeTron> it got old working for the navy 07:52 <DrJoeTron> then I started working for me crew 07:52 <DrJoeTron> and pillaging and plunderin' makes you mad money 07:53 <DrJoeTron> spidey www.puzzlepirates.com 07:57 <spidey> looks gay 07:58 <spidey> DrJoeTron, defcon? 08:07 <DrJoeTron> dont you play soldat? 08:07 <spidey> yea 08:07 <spidey> why? 08:07 <DrJoeTron> try this game :d 08:07 <spidey> nah 08:08 <spidey> #weather 38256 08:08 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in Paris, Tennessee is 29.1°F (1:08 AM CST on February 02, 2007). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 28.4°F. Windchill: 24.8°F. Pressure: 29.82 in 1009.7 hPa. Snow Advisory in effect until 6 am CST Friday... 08:39 -!- GodTodd [n=GodTodd@cpe-76-183-44-91.tx.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:18 -!- DrJoeTron [n=DrJoeTr0@adsl-75-59-230-111.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:47 -!- zmanuel [n=manuel@p508734D5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 12:55 -!- Niii [n=Niii@lnr56-1-82-246-48-71.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #armagetron 13:16 -!- MaZuffeR [n=MaZuffeR@darkmoor.sby.abo.fi] has joined #armagetron 13:29 -!- MaZuffeR [n=MaZuffeR@darkmoor.sby.abo.fi] has quit ["Leaving."] 13:53 <wrtlprnft> http://www.google.com/codesearch?hl=en&q=+%22here+be+dragons%22+show:ekIHX6V0Q-Q:V9cQmC8jr-E:y8GAlVH4e4Q&sa=N&cd=14&ct=rc&cs_p=http://rubyforge.org/frs/download.php/10987/ruport-0.4.5.zip&cs_f=ruport-0.4.5/lib/ruport/parser.rb#a0 o_O 14:01 <spidey> .. 14:03 <wrtlprnft> .…. 14:04 <wrtlprnft> wow, there's been no spam on the wiki for 20 hours now! 14:04 <spidey> #lastseen spidey |mbc| 14:04 <spidey> o.O 14:05 <spidey> #ping 14:05 <armabot> pong 14:05 <spidey> ......... 14:05 <spidey> #help lastseen 14:05 <armabot> spidey: (lastseen <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "fetch http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/lastseen.php?player=@1+@2+@3+@4+@5+@6+@7+@8+@9". 14:05 <armabot> spidey: timed out 14:05 <spidey> #lastseen spidey 14:06 <armabot> spidey: |FA| Spidey has last been seen on FA Clan Server 1 days 4 hours 41 minutes ago. 14:06 <guru3> how sad is it when there's an app native to linux and you can only get the windows port running thru wine :/ 14:06 <spidey> wrtlprnft, your lastseen script's broken o.O 14:06 <wrtlprnft> spidey: no, it's just slow 14:06 <spidey> no 14:06 <spidey> i was in sumo a few hours ago 14:06 <spidey> and ctf 14:07 <wrtlprnft> as spidey, no special chars? 14:07 <spidey> hm 14:07 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen wrtlprnft 14:07 <armabot> wrtlprnft: wrtlprnft |mbc| seems to be on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress right now. 14:07 <spidey> non ascii? 14:07 <wrtlprnft> 1 14:08 <spidey> player_1 ¦fa¦«§þîÐéý» <--that be it 14:08 <wrtlprnft> … 14:08 <spidey> ……… 14:08 <wrtlprnft> kids 14:08 <spidey> old people 14:08 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen ¦fa¦«§þîÐéý» 14:09 <armabot> wrtlprnft: timed out 14:09 <wrtlprnft> … … … 14:09 <spidey> … … … 14:10 <wrtlprnft> ··· 14:10 <spidey> ··· 14:11 <wrtlprnft> .: 14:13 <spidey> .: 14:14 <spidey> .::. 14:17 <madmax|pt> does someone own a Wacom tablet? 14:17 <guru3> yeah 14:17 <madmax|pt> which one? 14:17 <guru3> intuos 14:17 <madmax|pt> that's too expensive :) 14:17 <guru3> mine's ages old 14:18 <madmax|pt> I'm thinking of buying a Graphire 14:18 <madmax|pt> do you like it? 14:18 <guru3> i don't do any really serious tablet work 14:18 <guru3> but it's ok for my random sketches 14:19 <madmax|pt> yeah, not planning on doing anything serious too... but, well, i like to draw 14:20 <madmax|pt> wacom gets the best reviews 14:22 <madmax|pt> whats the size of your intuos? 14:24 <guru3> the drawing area is 10 inches on the diagonal 14:24 <guru3> but the whole thing is about 16 inches ont he diagonal >< 14:25 <madmax|pt> that's... big -.- 14:25 <guru3> it's _old_ 14:25 <wrtlprnft> #g 16 inches in cm 14:25 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 16 inches = 40.64 centimeters 14:25 <guru3> it uses the serial port for crying out loud >< 14:28 <madmax|pt> the graphire ones are in 4x5 and 6x8 14:35 <madmax|pt> the active area on the tablet represents the whole screen area? 14:37 -!- GodTodd [n=GodTodd@cpe-76-183-44-91.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron 14:40 <guru3> yeah 14:43 <madmax|pt> thanks for the info. well, tabletwizard tells me "You need a Graphire Tablet." I'll probably follow the advice 14:47 <guru3> the one i have is aparently really high quality 14:47 <guru3> and i just have it sitting there 98% of the time >< 14:49 <madmax|pt> that's not nice 14:50 <madmax|pt> Intuos, "For the serious photographer, designer, and artist" :P 14:50 <guru3> lol 14:50 <guru3> and imagine i just got it free :> 14:51 <madmax|pt> argh 14:51 <madmax|pt> now that's nice 14:51 <madmax|pt> it has some software bundled too :D 14:52 <guru3> not mine >< 14:53 <madmax|pt> glad they support OS X too ... 14:53 <madmax|pt> well, lunch time 14:53 <guru3> indeed 15:01 -!- MaZuffeR [n=MaZuffeR@darkmoor.sby.abo.fi] has joined #armagetron 16:23 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@unaffiliated/madmaxpt/x-23911] has quit ["brb"] 16:31 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@unaffiliated/madmaxpt/x-23911] has joined #armagetron 16:38 <luke-jr> tablets are lame 16:38 <luke-jr> like PDAs 16:39 <madmax|pt> why is that? 16:39 <luke-jr> no keyboard 16:40 <madmax|pt> a tablet is lame because it has no keyboard? 16:40 <luke-jr> yep 16:41 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: did it ever occur to you that you can use a tablet *and* a keyboard *and* a mouse at the same computer? 16:41 <madmax|pt> just to check, you know its a graphics tablet, not tablet pc right? 16:42 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: tablets are computers...? 16:42 <luke-jr> o 16:42 <luke-jr> XD 16:42 <madmax|pt> this: http://www.wacom.com/index2.cfm?lang=en 16:43 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: i meant graphics tablets, of course 17:12 -!- R-man [n=56880541@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron 17:12 -!- R-man [n=56880541@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has quit [Client Quit] 17:18 -!- epsy [n=epsy@mar75-4-82-227-65-72.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #armagetron 17:18 <epsy> hi 17:24 <madmax|pt> hi 17:42 -!- DrJoeTron [n=DrJoeTr0@adsl-75-59-230-111.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #Armagetron 17:51 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@unaffiliated/madmaxpt/x-23911] has quit ["..."] 18:27 -!- deja_vu [n=deja_vu@HSI-KBW-091-089-011-161.hsi2.kabelbw.de] has joined #armagetron 19:06 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@unaffiliated/madmaxpt/x-23911] has joined #armagetron 19:38 <madmax|pt> don't know if it matters or not, but the armalogs seem to have stopped 19:45 <wrtlprnft> yeah, that's because i moved my main computer 19:47 <wrtlprnft> need to emerge PHP, then they'll update again, thanks for reminding me 19:48 <wrtlprnft> which can take an hour or so because it needs mysql and all that, too 19:56 <epsy> what are the armalogs....? 19:56 <epsy> wrtlprnft's stats? 20:02 <madmax|pt> #realchatlogs 20:02 <armabot> madmax|pt: http://master3.armagetronad.net/armalogs/ 20:03 <epsy> ah that 20:24 -!- DrJoeTron [n=DrJoeTr0@adsl-75-59-230-111.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:24 -!- DrJoeTron [n=DrJoeTr0@adsl-75-56-55-71.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #Armagetron 20:31 -!- luke-jr_work [n=luke-jr@adsl-70-128-250-253.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:01 <epsy> where i can find sources for the hold-the-flag thing? 21:05 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu83w-156034193048.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron 21:06 <epsy> is the source even public? 21:07 -!- deja_vu [n=deja_vu@HSI-KBW-091-089-011-161.hsi2.kabelbw.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:07 <epsy> hrm i wish groundpig was here 21:07 -!- deja_vu [n=deja_vu@HSI-KBW-091-089-011-161.hsi2.kabelbw.de] has joined #armagetron 21:12 <madmax|pt> isnt that somewhere in the forums? 21:12 <epsy> well... 21:13 <epsy> the only thing on the forums about that is... 21:13 <epsy> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=9351&highlight=hold+flag 21:27 <epsy> hmm... 21:59 <luke-jr> epsy: pig has a forum now 21:59 <luke-jr> the latest patch is in there 21:59 <luke-jr> all his mods are in a single configurable patch 21:59 <luke-jr> eg, CTF, HTF, styball, etc 22:20 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@unaffiliated/madmaxpt/x-23911] has quit ["leaving"] 22:23 -!- luke-jr_work [n=luke-jr@2002:1891:f663:0:205:4eff:fe44:18ed] has joined #armagetron 22:37 -!- wejp [n=j@i577BB085.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:40 -!- wejp [n=j@i577BB085.versanet.de] has joined #armagetron 22:44 <epsy> well 22:44 <epsy> durka told me 23:22 -!- zmanuel [n=manuel@p508734D5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #armagetron 23:26 -!- Durka [n=Justin@cpe-76-167-238-228.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron 23:26 <Durka> #hello 23:26 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: BOFH Excuse #301: || appears to be a Slow/Narrow SCSI-0 Interface problem 23:27 * Durka sees epsy 23:29 -!- Durka_ [n=Justin@cpe-76-167-238-228.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron 23:30 -!- Durka_ [n=Justin@cpe-76-167-238-228.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 23:30 -!- Durka_ [n=Justin@cpe-76-167-238-228.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron 23:31 <Durka_> #ping 23:31 <armabot> pong 23:31 <Durka_> can we kick durka? lol 23:31 -!- Durka_ [n=Justin@cpe-76-167-238-228.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 23:31 -!- Durka_ [n=Justin@cpe-76-167-238-228.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron 23:32 <Durka_> test 23:33 -!- Your_mom_arma [n=Your_mom@pool-71-248-197-73.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net] has joined #armagetron 23:33 <Durka_> hi mom 23:46 -!- Durka [n=Justin@cpe-76-167-238-228.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:48 <Durka_> Your_mom_arma: ping 23:48 <Durka_> What's the map used for Hold the Flag Sty?View entire month
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