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Log from 2007-01-17:
--- Day changed Wed Jan 17 2007
00:06 <Vanhayes> ghableska: pong
00:06 <ghableska> you use Opera, right?
00:07 <spidey> ghableska, you have cs 1.6?
00:07 <ghableska> no
00:08 <spidey> css ?
00:08 <Vanhayes> ghableska: yup, using it right now
00:08 <ghableska> yes
00:08 <spidey> sec
00:08 <ghableska> ok, how do you get irc working in it?
00:09 <spidey> i'm running outta space :|
00:09 <Vanhayes> click the chat option, then connect to>freenode>new room #armagetron
00:09 <ghableska> ok
00:11 <ghableska> -_-
00:11 <ghableska> not working
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00:15 <ghableska> finally
00:15 <Vanhayes> work?
00:16 <ghableska> yeah
00:17 <ghableska> spidey: what?
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00:17 <ghableska> hi mom
00:17 <Your_mom_arma> hi
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00:19  * ghableska reminds self not to exit
00:20 <ghableska> #weather 50266
00:20 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 11.3°F (5:16 PM CST on January 16, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: -2.2°F. Windchill: 5.0°F. Pressure: 29.63 in 1003.3 hPa. 
00:22 <k3nNy_> #weather innsbruck
00:23 <@armabot> k3nNy_: The current temperature in Innsbruck-Flughafen, Austria is 33.8°F (10:00 PM CET on January 16, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 30.2°F. Pressure: 30.37 in 1028 hPa (Rising). 
00:23 <k3nNy_> how do i get rid of that 2nd k3nNy in the list?
00:27 <ghableska> wait
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00:37 <spidey> DrJoeTron, 
00:38 <DrJoeTron> pong
00:38 <DrJoeTron> I saw your message
00:38 <DrJoeTron> I don't have 1.6
00:38 <DrJoeTron> I have source
00:38 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma ping 
00:40 <Your_mom_arma> pong
00:41 <DrJoeTron> you play browser based games at all?
00:41 <DrJoeTron> I'm not talking runescape
00:42 <k3nNy_> ogame + travian here :) u?
00:42 <Your_mom_arma> i dont think so, why?
00:43 <DrJoeTron> ok
00:43 <spidey> DrJoeTron, >.<
00:43 <DrJoeTron> I thought you'd might like to try one
00:43 <DrJoeTron> also I found out help I'm a Bug is a goon :)
00:43 <spidey> k3nNy_, what universe?
00:43 <k3nNy_> 19 on .org, 59 on .de
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00:43 <k3nNy_> you?
00:43 <spidey> 7
00:43 <spidey> .com
00:43 <DrJoeTron> Ive been plagin astro empires
00:44 <spidey> 'er
00:44 <spidey> .org
00:44 <k3nNy_> playing it for a long time alrdy?
00:44 <spidey> i would have over 500k points
00:44 <spidey> but i keep getting my fleet crashed cause i don't pay attention :P
00:44 <k3nNy_> oO
00:44 <k3nNy_> :)
00:44 <k3nNy_> im not playing that long :)
00:44 <spidey>  Points	124375 (Rank 878 of 2883)
00:44 <spidey> ;p
00:45 <k3nNy_> heh
00:57 <DrJoeTron> god it takes so long to build bombers
00:58 <ghableska> :o
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00:59 <DrJoeTron> Ive got 2hours 40 minutes to finish my order
01:01 <spidey> DrJoeTron, ?
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01:01 <DrJoeTron> spidey, astro empires
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01:01 <DrJoeTron> http://beta.astroempires.com
01:02 <DrJoeTron> if you wanna play with me, I'm in galaxy beta 12
01:05 <spidey> >.<
01:07 <DrJoeTron> when you first start off you're protected for the first week
01:07 <DrJoeTron> no one can attack you
01:07 <DrJoeTron> and the best thing to do is join a guild as fast as possible
01:08 <DrJoeTron> I joined the  Goon Legion of Awful Alliances :p
01:08 <spidey> lol...
01:08 <DrJoeTron> they're ranked 6 :D
01:08 <spidey> how many members?
01:08 <DrJoeTron> 200
01:08 <spidey> a thousand
01:09 <spidey> like all the other high ranked people
01:09 <spidey> first thing you should know about games like this
01:09 <spidey> it doesn't matter what rank your alliance is
01:09 <spidey> it matters what rank your members are
01:09 <DrJoeTron> oh they're pretty high
01:09 <DrJoeTron> we;ve got allot of alliances as well
01:09 <DrJoeTron> well, no fire ones
01:10 <DrJoeTron> which is good
01:10 <spidey> qwkk'
01:11 <DrJoeTron> because one of the bigger guilds is stationed right next to my home planet
01:11 <spidey> i refuse to join a alliance with half the players of the game in it
01:11 <spidey> :P
01:11 <DrJoeTron> thats cool :D
01:11 <DrJoeTron> I like my alliance :)
01:13  * ghableska yawns
01:13  * spidey stabs ghableska 
01:13  * ghableska falls asleep
01:14 <ghableska> DrJoeTron: garry's mod is too much fun :S
01:14 <DrJoeTron> haha
01:14 <DrJoeTron> garrys mod is great
01:14 <ghableska> whenever I get bored with CS:S, I play that, and vice versa :P
01:15 <DrJoeTron> I played alot of CS back in the day
01:15 <DrJoeTron> I stopped when steam came out
01:15 <DrJoeTron> because I didnt have cable
01:15 <DrJoeTron> so it was murder
01:15 <ghableska> hehe
01:15 <DrJoeTron> and all of my keys were stolen
01:16 <ghableska> aww
01:16 <DrJoeTron> so yeah
01:16 <DrJoeTron> and I got source
01:16 <DrJoeTron> so I said fuck 1.6
01:16 <ghableska> :)
01:17  * ghableska sucks at source more than when he started playing it
01:30 <DrJoeTron> but I rebought half life and TFC
01:30 <DrJoeTron> teamfortress is far better than CS
01:31 <ghableska> *shrugs*
01:32 <DrJoeTron> spore!
01:32 <DrJoeTron> :)
01:32 <ghableska> ah :D
01:32 <DrJoeTron> it just keeps getting better and better
01:32  * ghableska can't wait for that
01:32 <DrJoeTron> Brian Eno is doing the soundtrack!!
01:33  * ghableska looks at wikipedia entry
01:33 <DrJoeTron> thats going to be wild
01:33 <ghableska> O_o
01:33 <ghableska> it is
01:33 <DrJoeTron> the real question is
01:33 <DrJoeTron> why is he doing it?
01:33 <ghableska> EA paid him lots of money?
01:33 <DrJoeTron> probably
01:34 <ghableska> Heh.
01:37  * ghableska hopes EA won't screw up Spore
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02:09 <Your_mom_arma> they pretty much leave will wright alone
02:18 <DrJoeTron> haha
02:18 <DrJoeTron> but man
02:18 <DrJoeTron> I still find it wild that hiab is a goon :)
02:19 <spidey> #cnn 38256
02:19 <@armabot> spidey: The current temperature in Paris, TN is 24.0°F. Conditions: Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Wind: N at 9 mph (14 km/h).
02:19 <ghableska> #weather 50266
02:19 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 8.2°F (7:17 PM CST on January 16, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: -4.0°F. Pressure: 29.62 in 1002.9 hPa. 
02:20 <spidey> #g 24 F in C
02:20 <@armabot> spidey: 24 degrees Fahrenheit = -4.44444444 degrees Celsius
02:20 <DrJoeTron> I  then made him a mod and a lobster
02:20 <DrJoeTron> because I'm corrupt
02:20 <ghableska> :O
02:27 <spidey> http://www.project-euh.com/nerd/
02:28 <ghableska> that you?
02:29 <Your_mom_arma> haha
02:30 <ghableska> what
02:30 <ghableska> *what's the thing on the right?
02:30 <spidey> who
02:30 <spidey> hell if i know
02:31 <spidey> i'm just wondering why someone wasted 2 hours of there time typing 1's and 0's :P
02:31 <Your_mom_arma> spidey its called an ascii converter
02:31 <spidey> heh
02:31 <spidey> http://www.project-euh.com/nerdsaver/    <<---motion sickness anyone?
02:32 <ghableska> argh
02:33 <Your_mom_arma> i cant wait for spore... imagine a giant rabbit with huge arms, crocodile teath, 4 arms, 1 of them with a lobster claw
02:34  * ghableska wants go down the killer teddy bear route
02:36 <ghableska> plus, I want one of those spore figurines. 
02:39 <spidey> http://www.project-euh.com/name/euh.php3?naam=spideypwns
02:39 <spidey> i must...have that
02:39 <ghableska> Not spideypwns
02:39 <ghableska> The spideypwns URL // was not spideypwns on this server.
02:40 <ghableska> yeah, you must have an error page
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02:40 <spidey> ?
02:41 <ghableska> oh, nvm
02:41 <ghableska> it works now
02:41 <ghableska> :P
02:42 <spidey> http://www.project-euh.com/preloader/
02:42 <spidey> that's almost as annoying as luke-jr 
02:48 <ghableska> #luke
02:48 <@armabot> stfu baka noob?? RTFM??
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02:54 <ghableska> #armaservers
02:55 <@armabot> ghableska: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
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02:57 <Durka-away> #hello
02:57 <Durka-away> bbl
02:57 <@armabot> Hello Durka-away :) Random Fortune: /* || * Should be panic but... (Why are BSD people panic obsessed ??) || */ || linux-2.0.38/net/ipv4/ip_fw.c
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03:09 <ghableska> #weather 50266
03:10 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 7.0°F (8:07 PM CST on January 16, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: -5.8°F. Pressure: 29.63 in 1003.3 hPa. 
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03:17 <Durka> #hello
03:17 <@armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: Disc space -- the final frontier!
03:17 <ghableska> wb
03:17 <Durka> ty ghab (/me pokes ghab)
03:17 <Durka> #more ghableska
03:17 <@armabot> Durka: Styball (3 players) || ShadowLight Australian Grid (3 players) || Norm's Place (3 players) || Legendary Clan Server ^}LC}< High Rubber (2 players) || MicroBusCity.com (2 players) || Strawberry Fields (2 players)
03:18 <ghableska> #weather 50266
03:18 <ghableska> Whoops
03:18 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 7.2°F (8:17 PM CST on January 16, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: -4.0°F. Pressure: 29.62 in 1002.9 hPa. 
03:18 <ghableska> #armaservers
03:18 <@armabot> ghableska: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (10 players) || Legendary Clan Server High Rubber (Also used for team battles at certain times). (8 players) || Norm's Place (8 players) || Wild West =Capture The Flag= (7 players) || ~"XzL.Clan The Server (5 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (5 players) || Strawberry Fields (5 players) || G-Land (A Swamplords server) (4 players) || Swampland in 2.7.1 (3 (1 more message)
03:18 <Durka> #more ghableska
03:18 <@armabot> Durka: players) || Stormcrow's Dungeon (3 players) || -=}ID< Immortal Dynasty Server (3 players) || The Tavern (3 players) || MicroBusCity.com (2 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (2 players) || ->Mutiny Clan Server<- (1 players)
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03:26 <spidey> #night
03:26 <@armabot> Good night spidey!
03:26 <custang> bye
03:28 <custang> #hello
03:28 <@armabot> Hello custang :) Random Fortune: Smoking Prohibited. Absolutely no ifs, ands, or butts.
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03:30 <custang> #goodbye
03:30 <@armabot> Goodbye custang :(
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04:01 <Vanhayes> #night
04:01 <@armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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05:41 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: is it valid to use CSS for width in SVG?
05:44 <@armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6949 /private/Lucifer/sconsbranch/: Branching for scons test
05:44 <@armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6950 /private/Lucifer/cmakebranch/: Branching for cmake test
05:45  * luke-jr wonders if Luci is really going to suggest something at least 50% of devs can't use
05:49 <luke-jr> hm
05:49 <luke-jr> actually
05:49 <luke-jr> it's not scons itself that fails to build, it's programs USING scons...
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05:55 <epsy> hi
06:02 <luke-jr> hi
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07:43 <Durka> #hello
07:43 <@armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: "And wow! Hey! What's this thing coming towards me very || fast? Very very fast. So big and flat and round, it needs a || big wide sounding word like... ow... ound... round... || ground! That's it! That's a good name - ground! || I wonder if it will be friends with me?" || - For the sperm whale, it wasn't.
07:50 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: width? width of a rectangle, sure
07:51 <wrtlprnft> http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/styling.html#StylingWithCSS
07:56 <luke-jr> too late :p
07:56 <luke-jr> already doing it more or less w/o CSS
08:00 <wrtlprnft> do whatever you want.
08:02 <luke-jr> BTW, I am currently of the opinion that SVG is poorly designed
08:03 <luke-jr> if only CSS had some way to rotate a block, I could avoid it :/
08:04 <@armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6951 /armagetronad/branches/utf8/ (12 files in 6 dirs):
08:04 <@armabot> armagetronad: - Added missing files (sorry)
08:04 <@armabot> armagetronad: - Remoeved some debug comments
08:04 <@armabot> armagetronad: - Switched back to my own homemade UTF-8 conversion function
08:05  * luke-jr just thought of a solution! :)
08:05 <luke-jr> <img src="data:image/svg(?),bla-short-svg-just-for-rotated-text" />
08:05 <luke-jr> can such a horrid hack work? O.o
08:07 <wrtlprnft> what's your problem?
08:07 <luke-jr> I need text rotated 90 degrees
08:08 <luke-jr> for the spine of the book cover
08:09 <wrtlprnft> errm
08:11 <wrtlprnft> <text x="42" y="3.141" font-size="2.7" font-family="DejaVu Sans" fill="black" transform="rotate(90)">Hello World</text>
08:11 <wrtlprnft> ?
08:11 <luke-jr> yeah, that'd be the SVG more or less
08:11 <wrtlprnft> no, why not directly include it?
08:11 <luke-jr> ?
08:12 <wrtlprnft> instead of making it an inline svg, just put the <text> tag there instead of the <img>?
08:12 <luke-jr> <text> is valid within XHTML?
08:12 <luke-jr> hmm, perhaps if I include the SVG xmlns... O.o
08:12 <wrtlprnft> text is valid within svn
08:12 <wrtlprnft> *svg
08:13 <luke-jr> yeah, but SVG is pissing me off with its lack of line breaks, center, etc, and the fact that I'm not used to it :p
08:13 <wrtlprnft> ah, now i get you
08:15 <wrtlprnft> just use <object type="image/svg" src="data:image/svg,<text x='42' y='3.141' font-size='2.7' font-family='DejaVu Sans' fill='black' transform='rotate(90)'>Hello World</text>"><img alt="Hello World" src="an_image_that's_the_rendered_output_of_the_svg.png" /></object>?
08:15 <luke-jr> eh, both?? O.o
08:16 <luke-jr> why the object?
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08:16 <wrtlprnft> you're not supposed to have an SVG in an image tag
08:16 <luke-jr> :o
08:16 <wrtlprnft> and of course both, because ie and safari don't support it
08:16 <luke-jr> really?
08:16 <luke-jr> I don't care about browsers
08:16 <wrtlprnft> that's why you have the object tag, so you can put an image as alternative
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08:17 <wrtlprnft> and a text as alternative to the alternative
08:17 <luke-jr> this is just going to print
08:17 <wrtlprnft> then skip the image
08:19 <luke-jr> image/svg doesn't need the whole <svg ...> header?
08:20 <wrtlprnft> it does :P
08:20 <luke-jr> k, just checking
08:21 <luke-jr> "If the user agent includes an HTML or XHTML viewing capability or can apply CSS/XSL styling properties to XML documents, then a Conforming SVG Viewer must support resources of MIME type "image/svg+xml" wherever raster image external resources can be used, such as in the HTML or XHTML 'img' element and in CSS/XSL properties that can refer to raster image resources (e.g., 'background-image')"
08:21 <luke-jr> w3c says <img should be ok
08:23 <luke-jr> does svg require <?xml etc?
08:24 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: in practice it isn't supported
08:24 <luke-jr> ... by browsers ;)
08:24 <wrtlprnft> and <object> should be used anyways :P
08:24 <luke-jr> but it's an image!
08:25 <wrtlprnft> <object> should be used for images, too :)
08:26 <luke-jr> :o
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08:39 <wrtlprnft> woha
08:40 <wrtlprnft> running a bittorrent client on my server is fun!
08:41 <luke-jr> ...
08:41 <wrtlprnft> really.
08:43 <luke-jr> btw
08:43 <luke-jr> object didn't work
08:43 <luke-jr> only img did
08:43 <wrtlprnft> then you did something wrong :P
08:44 <luke-jr> :p
08:44 <luke-jr> nah, I just think it ignores object
08:44 <wrtlprnft> it ignores it if something's wrong with it
08:44 <wrtlprnft> like the MIME types don't match
08:44 <luke-jr> now I need to figure out why there's a huge margin on top of the output
08:44 <wrtlprnft> or the browser doesn't support the MIME type
08:45  * luke-jr notes img worked :p
08:45 <wrtlprnft> then they changed it
08:45 <luke-jr> what happens if I omit viewBox?
08:45 <wrtlprnft> dunno
08:45 <luke-jr> who changed what?
08:45 <wrtlprnft> your browser's developers
08:45 <luke-jr> not using a browser :p
08:46  * wrtlprnft notes that if you can display an svg as image, you could as well use a PDF
08:46 <luke-jr> ?
08:46 <wrtlprnft> you can render an svg to a raster image
08:46 <wrtlprnft> you can render a PDF to a raster image
08:46 <luke-jr> yeah, but PDF wouldn't look good in data:
08:47 <luke-jr> and it'd be silly going PDF->XHTML->PDF
08:47 <luke-jr> I'm also working with the assumption that <img src="data:image/svg+xml"> ISN'T being rasterised
08:48 <wrtlprnft> you'd better test that
08:49 <luke-jr> tested and confirmed
08:49 <luke-jr> no rasterising
08:49 <luke-jr> :)
08:50 <wrtlprnft> downloading the torrent at 1.5MB/s right now
08:50 <luke-jr> heh
08:52 <wrtlprnft> 2MB/s!
08:52 <wrtlprnft> though the upload rate is only a tenth of that
08:52 <wrtlprnft> probably because there's waay more seeders than leechers
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10:11 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/mrg/cunning/maze-0.6.aamap.xml: Resource by mrg
10:17 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/mrg/cunning/circle-0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by mrg
10:18 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/mrg/cunning/tri-0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by mrg
10:20 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/mrg/cunning/star-0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by mrg
10:22 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/mrg/cunning/maze-0.5.aamap.xml: Resource by mrg
10:25 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/mrg/cunning/maze-0.4.aamap.xml: Resource by mrg
10:27 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/mrg/cunning/circle-0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by mrg
10:38 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/mrg/cunning/naughts_and_crosses-0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by mrg
10:43 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/mrg/cunning/naughts_and_crosses-0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by mrg
11:09 <guru3> for some reason i have written down that vegetables are a high risk target of nuckear issues
11:09 <guru3> *nuclear
11:13 <@armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/mrg/cunning/maze-0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by mrg
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11:38 <@armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6952 /private/Lucifer/sconsbranch/ (SConstruct src/SConscript): First scons work. It won't link due to binreloc symbols and a few others that might be resolved easily if I knew what was wrong. :(
12:42 <k3nNy_> #weather innsbruck
12:42 <@armabot> k3nNy_: The current temperature in Innsbruck, Austria is 44.6°F (12:20 PM CET on January 17, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 30.2°F. Windchill: 41.0°F. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa. 
12:42 <k3nNy_> #g 44.6 F in C
12:42 <@armabot> k3nNy_: 44.6 degrees Fahrenheit = 7 degrees Celsius
12:50 <spidey> #weather 38256
12:50 <@armabot> spidey: The current temperature in Paris, Tennessee is 23.7°F (5:50 AM CST on January 17, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 15.8°F. Windchill: 19.4°F. Pressure: 30.59 in 1035.8 hPa. 
12:50 <spidey> #g 23.7 F in C
12:50 <@armabot> spidey: 23.7 degrees Fahrenheit = -4.61111111 degrees Celsius
12:51 <spidey> #g 19.4 F in C
12:51 <@armabot> spidey: 19.4 degrees Fahrenheit = -7 degrees Celsius
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13:52 <epsy> hi
14:05 <madmax|pt> hi
14:06 <spidey> hi
14:07 <epsy> Jonathan said, on the forums: epsy: I didn't use vsync, and it can produce a few frames between recorded frames. If you look closely you might notice that timing between frames can vary slightly. 
14:07 <epsy> and i'm still not understanding
14:07 <epsy> lol
14:08 <spidey> vsync makes my fps unstable
14:08 <spidey> it puts them at 120 or so
14:08 <spidey> but they drop really fast when you turn
14:08 <epsy> what is it?
14:08 <spidey> it gives a description
14:08  * epsy has ~fps
14:08 <epsy> loeek
14:08 <epsy> eel
14:08 <epsy> eek
14:08 <spidey> open tron, 
14:08  * epsy has ~7fps
14:09 <epsy> damn
14:09 <spidey> goto the option, then set there for a minute
14:09 <epsy> ~25fps
14:09 <spidey> i get between 70-90 since i updated my drivers
14:09 <spidey>  i did get 50
14:09  * spidey has onboard graphics :(
14:10  * epsy too
14:10 <epsy> and i got one with shitty drivers :((
14:10 <epsy> cant find that option...
14:11 <epsy> is it an X option or...?
14:12 <spidey> dunno
14:13 <epsy> lol you lost me
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14:40 <epsy> someone for fortress cafe?
14:42 <@armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6953 /private/Lucifer/sconsbranch/ (SConstruct src/SConscript): Just got all the defines stuck in, now need to add specific checks to enable them.
14:54 <madmax|pt> well, just entered when you left
14:55 <epsy> ah lol
14:55 <epsy> http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/screenshots/arma-team/screenshot_5.png
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14:57 <Lucifer_arma> anybody know which specific boost library we're using?
15:45 <@armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6954 /private/Lucifer/sconsbranch/SConstruct: Sleepy, committing while I have something that partly works before I break it.
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16:20 <z-man-work> Lucifer_arma: nope. I guess boost::shared_ptr and boost::variant. There may be more.
16:22 <z-man-work> lexical_cast and tokenizer, too.
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16:55 <Lucifer_arma> I put a check for shared_ptr and it worked :)
16:57 <Lucifer_arma> scons irc channel is fairly quiet
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17:02 <@armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6955 /private/Lucifer/sconsbranch/SConstruct: Added all the math function checks
17:03 <epsy> wrtlprnft, pong?
17:03 <wrtlprnft> epsy: ping?
17:04 <epsy> yeah ping
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17:05 <epsy> hi him
17:05 <epsy> wrtlprnft, seems fixed now
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17:05 <wrtlprnft> what?
17:14 <Lucifer_arma> Don't argue about shit that doesn't matter, it pisses me off!
17:16 <@armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6956 /private/Lucifer/sconsbranch/SConstruct: Cleaned up the autoHeader::Define interface so now it's actually reasonable. Put the check first, then the define, then the comment, then the value. The value is the only optional argument, and it defaults to 1
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17:29 <k3nNy> #weather
17:29 <@armabot> k3nNy: (weather <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
17:29 <k3nNy> oh
17:29 <k3nNy> #weather bregenz
17:29 <@armabot> k3nNy: The current temperature in Friedrichshafen, Austria is 48.2°F (5:20 PM CET on January 17, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 39.2°F. Windchill: 44.6°F. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa. 
17:29 <k3nNy> #weather innsbruck
17:29 <@armabot> k3nNy: The current temperature in Innsbruck, Austria is 42.8°F (5:20 PM CET on January 17, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 32.0°F. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa. 
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17:45 <Lucifer_arma> so, the library is found, the include directory is right, the header is being included, but the types in the header aren't being defined
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17:51 <spidey> ..
17:51  * spidey yawns
18:00 <@armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6957 /private/Lucifer/sconsbranch/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Created buildhelp module
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18:10 <@armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6958 /private/Lucifer/sconsbranch/SConstruct: Added version file for generating the version while building.
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18:14 <Lucifer_arma> z-man, just the person I wanted
18:14 <Lucifer_arma> :)
18:15 <z-man> what's up?
18:15 <z-man> Should I check out the scons branch?
18:15 <Lucifer_arma> if you want to write the version generator, sure.  :)
18:16 <Lucifer_arma> scons branch will take a bit more to get something built, I'm afraid.  I'm lost in configure.ac trying to make sure I've actually got a well-configured build
18:16 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, version number generating.  So we first read from major_version, then get the repo path, right?
18:16 <Lucifer_arma> if it's a tag, just go with the tag for the version
18:16 <Lucifer_arma> if it's a branch, go with the branch version, is that right?
18:17 <z-man> exactly.
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18:17 <z-man> acyually, we can forget major_version and minor_version now.
18:17 <Lucifer_arma> so is a trunk checkout supposed to wind up with a version like "0.3_alphaREV" or "0.3.0_alphaREV" ?
18:17 <z-man> oh, ok, we can't forget them :)
18:17 <Lucifer_arma> heh
18:17 <z-man> yes.
18:18 <Lucifer_arma> first or second?  :)
18:18 <z-man> whatever is in major_version. We can forget minor_version :)
18:18 <z-man> <content of major_version>_alpha<SVN revision>
18:18 <Lucifer_arma> ok, it doesn't look like batch/make/version uses minor_version at all either
18:19 <z-man> I hope so ;)
18:19 <Lucifer_arma> ah, ok.  Can we rely on major_version always containing the correct major version, even in a branch, even in a tag?
18:19 <Lucifer_arma> I guess a tag is defined as broken if major_version is wrong
18:19 <Lucifer_arma> basically, I'm going to do a popen with "svn info" and parse for the revision, which is the same no matter what directory you run in
18:20 <z-man> I'm afraid not. If it's a branch or tag, the tag/branch name needs to be used.
18:20 <Lucifer_arma> the function will run from the top of the source tree (probably have to pass that in eventually), and just append that to major_version
18:21 <z-man> that's because for a tag, you may want to have the same source code for 0.2.8.3_beta4 and 0.2.8.3 final
18:21 <Lucifer_arma> so where are you getting the information that tells you to build with _beta4 or 0.2.8.3?
18:21 <z-man> from the tag.
18:21  * Lucifer_arma has trouble reading regex's
18:22 <Lucifer_arma> ah
18:22 <Lucifer_arma> so for a tag, just use the tag
18:22 <Lucifer_arma> because releases will always be tagged first :)
18:22 <z-man> correctly.
18:22 <Lucifer_arma> for a branch, do $branch_alphaREV, always?
18:22 <z-man> yes.
18:23 <z-man> if it's not tagged, it's always alpha.
18:23 <Lucifer_arma> and trunk is `< major_version`_alphaREV, always?
18:23 <z-man> yes.
18:23 <z-man> We should rename that file, now that you mention it.
18:23 <Lucifer_arma> ok, got it, thanks.  :)
18:23 <z-man> And get rid of minor_version.
18:24 <Lucifer_arma> pick a name, we've got all sorts of stuff we can change in the scons branch
18:24 <Lucifer_arma> changing build systems means we can leave behind any legacy crap that's in the build system, without losing the function, of course
18:24 <z-man> version_trunk or trunk_version?
18:25 <Lucifer_arma> devel_version or a longer one, development_version
18:25 <z-man> I'm fine with that.
18:25 <z-man> either one.
18:25 <Lucifer_arma> um, I'm intending to enforce that windows developers will need the svn client from subversion.tigris.org installed, if nobody complains too loudly
18:25 <Lucifer_arma> it's a one-click wonder installation, and it adds the path to the svn binary to the PATH variable
18:25 <Lucifer_arma> so we can have access to svn in windows just like we do everywhere else
18:26 <z-man> Who should complain? :) Anyway, do the basic things that get everything going only.
18:26 <Lucifer_arma> I only see that making our lives easier, and all we ask is a one-click installation for a developer
18:26 <z-man> Don't bother with the docs.
18:26 <z-man> Or resources, they're auto-downloaded anyway :)
18:26 <Lucifer_arma> right.  We were talking about new doc building anyway, and this is an excellent time to make such a change :)
18:27 <Lucifer_arma> but yeah, first get a few executables that work.  ;)
18:27 <z-man> We can always fix stuff and remove unwanted restrictions later.
18:27  * Lucifer_arma is stumped by the same sdl error that showed up in the buildbot in windows at some point
18:28 <z-man> I haven't seen that one, only the missing file.
18:28 <Lucifer_arma> and I really really want to write this version thing, because it's not hacky at all, and I remember it being hacky the other way
18:28 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I'm getting unknown type errors where I shouldn't be.  I suspect I don't have all my #ifndefs in order and managed to avoid getting burned before by luck alone
18:32 <Lucifer_arma> that or my config script doesn't work, which is just as likely
18:33 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, what's the difference between PACKAGE_VERSION and VERSION ?
18:33 <z-man> In their value? Nothing.
18:33 <z-man> PACKAGE_VERSION is what autopackage gives us.
18:33 <z-man> VERSION is what we auto-update.
18:34 <z-man> The thing is that autotools puts PACKAGE_VERSION into aa_config.h, so every change triggers a full rebuild.
18:34 <Lucifer_arma> so should I not put the PACKAGE stuff into aa_config.h now?
18:35 <z-man> That's why we have the other one. It's updated on every SVN operation and a change triggers only a nNetwork.cpp rebuild.
18:35 <z-man> yes, I'd think so.
18:35 <Lucifer_arma> that'll get rid of all the damn ruby warnings too :)
18:38  * Lucifer_arma tries to remember how to do regex's in python
18:39  * z-man suddenly remembers why his wife is not at home :)
18:39 <Lucifer_arma> you have to go get her?
18:40 <z-man> No, she's having her drawing course.
18:40 <z-man> I guess. It is usually on Wednesday evenings, she was missing it the last weeks.
18:40 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh.  she's an artiste, eh?
18:40 <z-man> kinda.
18:52 <k3nNy> hey wrtl are you there?
18:55 <wrtlprnft> yeah
18:55 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/mrg/cunning/naughts_and_crosses-0.2.aamap.xml ← lol
18:55 <k3nNy> ah k
18:55 <k3nNy> hm
18:55 <k3nNy> just wanted to ask if ur time ban is enabled on cafe
18:56 <k3nNy> because some annoying player called xxx (tking on purpurse and so on) rejoins everytime after he gets kicked
18:56 <k3nNy> i think he got kicked like 6 times alrdy last 45 min. :)
18:57 <wrtlprnft> uh, it's at default settings
18:57 <wrtlprnft> or at least at fortress settings
18:57 <wrtlprnft> of course, he could be usind different IPs
18:57 <k3nNy> hm strange
18:58 <k3nNy> he sometimes rejoins that fast, i think he cant possebly change his ip in that time
18:58 <wrtlprnft> supper now
18:58 <wrtlprnft> i'll check the logs later
18:58 <k3nNy> have a good meal
19:10 <Lucifer_arma> heh, anybody good with regexes?
19:10 <k3nNy> whats that :)
19:10 <k3nNy> #weather innsbruck
19:10 <@armabot> k3nNy: The current temperature in Innsbruck-Flughafen, Austria is 37.4°F (7:00 PM CET on January 17, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 32.0°F. Pressure: 30.26 in 1025 hPa (Rising). 
19:11 <Lucifer_arma> I need a regex to extract the version number between tags/ and /armagetronad
19:11 <Lucifer_arma> and I suspect I can't require /armagetronad to be there
19:11 <k3nNy> ah k, well got no clue about that
19:12 <z-man> I'll try to come up with one.
19:13 <z-man> sed -e "s,.*/tags/\([^/]*\)/,\1,"
19:14 <z-man> the backslashes before ( and ) may not be required within python
19:14 <z-man> Where is the backslash on a mac keyboard?????
19:18 <z-man> Ah, alt+shift+7 ....
19:18 <spidey> lo
19:20 <Lucifer_arma> that did it z-man, thanks
19:22 <z-man> Apple almost made me believe I have to pay them 500 bucks to get an updated XCode.
19:23 <z-man> The free online membership link to their development program is well hidden.
19:23 <Lucifer_arma> heh
19:23 <Lucifer_arma> I just read a slashdot article about people making it hard to cancel a service.  Related problem, I s'pose
19:23 <z-man> Sort of.
19:23 <z-man> AOL is a well know example :)
19:24 <z-man> My ISP also talked me from wanting to cancel the service to an upgrade. The devils!
19:25 <Lucifer_arma> holy shit.  A guy just called me who found my resume on Dice
19:25 <Lucifer_arma> this could be my lucky day :)
19:26 <Lucifer_arma> well, I spent a total of 30 seconds looking for the cancel link for my old voip provider, then just opened a case in their support system
19:26 <z-man> A new income source is always welcome ;) know details?
19:26 <Lucifer_arma> no, other than he was reading an outdated resume :)
19:26 <Lucifer_arma> he's going to email me, and I'll send him the updated resume, which is a much better resume
19:26 <Lucifer_arma> ah, he's a recruiter too
19:31 <z-man> Ah, apple and their intuitive UI.
19:31 <z-man> I work on battery power. Battery is low.
19:31 <z-man> Computer tells me to plug in power supply.
19:31 <z-man> I do so. Power supply plug lights up.
19:32 <epsy> this make me remember of an article...
19:32 <z-man> Ten minutes later, computer goes to sleep.
19:32 <epsy> lol
19:32 <z-man> I hadn't plugged the power supply into an outlet.
19:32 <Lucifer_arma> that's tons better than KDE's battery warning dialog popping behind my web browser
19:32 <Lucifer_arma> er
19:32 <Lucifer_arma> maybe not
19:32 <z-man> Turns out the plug needs to light up orange to be good.
19:33 <z-man> Green apparently is wrong in this situation :)
19:33 <epsy> http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/09/11/2137257
19:33 <Lucifer_arma> now I need a regex that enforces a version number in a branch :)
19:33 <epsy> lol
19:33 <z-man> what do you mean, enforces?
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19:34 <madmax|pt> nice epsy 
19:34 <Lucifer_arma> requires a branch name to be number.number.number.number.number.number.number etc
19:34 <Lucifer_arma> so, [0-9] and .
19:35 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, maybe not
19:35 <z-man> And what happens otherwise? What with the scons branch, for example? revert to the version file?
19:35 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it doesn't matter as much as I think it does
19:35 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, revert to the version file if it doesn't match
19:36 <Lucifer_arma> the logic I"m writing in is basically "If a tag matches, use it without question.  If a branch matches, use it and the revision number without question.  Otherwise, use the file and revision number"
19:36 <Lucifer_arma> I was just thinking about a VERSION utf8_alpha6879
19:36 <Lucifer_arma> :)
19:37 <z-man> Nothing fundamentally wrong with that, IMHO :)
19:37 <z-man> If it really matters, you can always hack the version generation script.
19:39 <epsy> damn ... http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/76542194/article.pl
19:39 <epsy> i'm still staying on x86 because of that software used to display ads... hmmm
19:41 <Lucifer_arma> I just get control-freaky on weird shit sometimes is all.  I wound up just forcing myself to change "tags" to "branches" in the regex you already gave me :)
19:43 <z-man> Was it painful? :)
19:43 <z-man> ahh, the XCode download gives me a dinner break.
19:46 <z-man> Hrrm, and the limiting factor in download speed was the Airport card.
19:48 <epsy> gtg
19:48 <epsy> cya
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20:13 <DrJoeTron> oh man
20:13 <DrJoeTron> I know a great way to get rid of the jerks that plague shrunkland
20:13 <DrJoeTron> I'll have No Kick Day!
20:14 <DrJoeTron> one day where no one is kicked from the server
20:14 <DrJoeTron> ...because you'll be banned for the littlest thing!
20:17 <wrtlprnft> please tell me when that will be
20:17 <wrtlprnft> should i ever want to play on shrunkland
20:17 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
20:18 <DrJoeTron> I take it you'd like to see some fun?
20:18 <DrJoeTron> well to make it smart
20:18 <DrJoeTron> I'm going to try banning in bulk
20:18 <DrJoeTron> let them rack up
20:18 <DrJoeTron> jerk around
20:18 <wrtlprnft> how about /admin QUIT?
20:18 <DrJoeTron> and when it gets to a point, Ill clear the room out
20:18 <DrJoeTron> quit?
20:18 <wrtlprnft> kills the server
20:18 <DrJoeTron> I don't want that
20:19 <DrJoeTron> its swampys server
20:19 <DrJoeTron> but every day for the past few months
20:20 <DrJoeTron> the most awful people join
20:20 <DrJoeTron> I'm going to run it by swampy as well
20:23 <Lucifer_arma> wow
20:23 <Lucifer_arma> he wants to hire me to hack python on a game engine
20:24 <Lucifer_arma> schedule's flexible, money's anything I want, I just have to prove proficiency becuase I've never coded python for money before
20:24 <wrtlprnft> “he” = who?
20:24 <Lucifer_arma> the recruiter that just called me
20:24 <wrtlprnft> ah
20:25 <wrtlprnft> then, good luck proving :)
20:25 <Lucifer_arma> ironically he called while I was hacking on the scons branch :)
20:26  * Lucifer_arma is pretty confident he can prove proficiency with Python :)
20:26 <wrtlprnft> :)
20:35 <luke-jr|work> *any* pay you want? O.o
20:44 <Lucifer_arma> writing python code no less
20:46 <z-man> Wow, that sounds neat.
20:48  * madmax|pt is now afraid of the evil oppression at Shrunkland
20:49 <Lucifer_arma> there is a slight catch, which is that it's a proprietary game engine
20:49 <Lucifer_arma> so I'll have to sign an NDA and be *very* careful about code I do here
20:49 <z-man> Yeah, there should be as little similarities as possible.
20:50 <Lucifer_arma> indeed, I should probably stay in areas here that I'm not in there
20:50 <Lucifer_arma> i.e. if I'm animating models there, I shouldn't animate models here
20:50 <z-man> But if you see a nice concept they use, you can always bump one of us others to an article describing that, and then we'll post on the forum what a nice thing we found online :)
20:50 <Lucifer_arma> I'm willing to forego coding here on the game itself if it's needed, realistically I don't code that much anyway
20:51 <k3nNy> #g 117 F in C
20:51 <@armabot> k3nNy: 117 degrees Fahrenheit = 47.2222222 degrees Celsius
20:54 <k3nNy> #weather innsbruck
20:55 <@armabot> k3nNy: The current temperature in Innsbruck, Austria is 33.8°F (8:20 PM CET on January 17, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 32.0°F. Windchill: 30.2°F. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa. 
20:55 <k3nNy> #g 33.8 F in C
20:55 <@armabot> k3nNy: 33.8 degrees Fahrenheit = 1 degree Celsius
20:55 <GodTodd> #75023
20:55 <GodTodd> bah
20:55 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
20:55 <@armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Near Custer and Parker, Plano, Texas is 32.5°F (1:55 PM CST on January 17, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008.0 hPa.  Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 6 PM CST this afternoon...
20:56 <k3nNy> #ehrendorfer
20:57 <deja_vu> #weather karlsruhe
20:57 <deja_vu> :(
20:57 <@armabot> deja_vu: Temperature: 53.2°F / 11.8°C | Humidity: 70% | Pressure: 30.08in / 1018.5hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 13.7mph / 22.0km/h | Updated: 8:00 PM CET; Chance of Rain. High:44 ° F. / 7 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:42 ° F. / 6 ° C.; Rain. High:52 ° F. / 11 ° C.; Rain. Low:49 ° F. / 9 ° C.; Chance of Rain. High:52 ° F. / 11 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:49 ° F. / 9 ° (1 more message)
20:57 <deja_vu> ah *.*
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21:32 <GodTodd> #weather 50266
21:32 <@armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 21.2°F (2:32 PM CST on January 17, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 6.8°F. Windchill: 8.6°F. Pressure: 29.34 in 993.5 hPa. 
21:39 <guru3> i'm so fucked for my math exam
21:40 <luke-jr|work> that teacher should be fired! :o
21:41 <guru3> ba-dom-tshhh
21:45 <Lucifer_arma> my calc 4 class was delayed a week due to ice
21:45 <Lucifer_arma> (M/W class, and M was MLKjr day)
21:46  * GodTodd doesn't get to go to precal tonight :/
21:48 <Lucifer_arma> heh
21:48 <Lucifer_arma> when I was working at Austin Import for the biggest racist I've ever known...
21:48 <Lucifer_arma> well, he used to have someone else run the business, and he didn't work there at all
21:48 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I called him up and wished him a "Happy Nigger Day!"
21:49 <Lucifer_arma> he told me later he almost fired me for that :)
21:51 <GodTodd> haha
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm
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21:54 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: you still here, by any chance?
21:55 <Lucifer_arma> ah, nvm
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22:06 <ghableska> #weather 50266
22:06 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 21.6°F (3:06 PM CST on January 17, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 6.8°F. Windchill: 8.6°F. Pressure: 29.32 in 992.8 hPa. 
22:12 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: here, really nvm?
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> errr, maybe not :)
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> binreloc problem now
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> here
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> src/tools/tDirectories.cpp: In function ‘void FindDataPath()’:
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> src/tools/tDirectories.cpp:1505: error: ‘AA_DATADIR’ was not declared in this scope
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> src/tools/tDirectories.cpp: In function ‘void FindConfigurationPath()’:
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> src/tools/tDirectories.cpp:1524: error: ‘AA_SYSCONFDIR’ was not declared in this scope
22:13 <Lucifer_arma> ?  The binreloc stuff is magic to me.  :/
22:13 <z-man> ah yeah, the various directories
22:14 <z-man> replace them with hardcoded stuff for now
22:15 <Lucifer_arma> er, such as?  ;)
22:15 <z-man> it's really a complex system and I'll be happy to replace it with something less convoluted later.
22:15 <z-man> umm, if you don't plan to make an installation, sysconfdir should not matter
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> so just do like #define AA_whateverDIR "."
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> and see if it runs?  :)
22:16 <z-man> I'll check what the values are for me, brb
22:17 <z-man> AA_DATADIR is /usr/share/games/armagetronad
22:19 <z-man> Who made the debug build optimize???
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> haha
22:20 <z-man> Duh, AA_SYSCONFDIR is /etc
22:21 <z-man> and of course, AA_DATADIR is rather /usr/local/share/...
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm far from writing an install target
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> which, sadly, we have to write with scons
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> luckily, it won't be that painful
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> give a prefix commandline option, and that's pretty much it.  All the other environments are built from copying the global environment.
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> you'll like it.  :)  It's got inheritance written all over it.
22:23 <luke-jr|work> why do we have a seperate AA_* var?
22:23 <z-man> I'll have a look at it once you check anything in.
22:24 <@armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6959 /private/Lucifer/sconsbranch/ (SConstruct buildhelp/version.py): More checks and stuff.
22:24 <z-man> luke-jr|work: can't remember, but there was a reason.
22:24 <luke-jr|work> hm
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> been making regular checkins :)
22:25 <z-man> what do I have to do? Entering the checkout and writing "scons" throws an error.
22:26 <z-man> scons: Reading SConscript files ...
22:26 <z-man> ImportError: cannot import name confchecks:
22:26 <z-man>   File "SConstruct", line 6:
22:26 <z-man>     from buildhelp import confchecks
22:26 <@armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6960 /private/Lucifer/sconsbranch/SConstruct: Added Help() call so we can get help for command line options
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> er, is that file missing?
22:27 <z-man> seem so.
22:28 <z-man> if it's supposed to lie in the root directory, it's not there.
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> sorry :(
22:28 <@armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6961 /private/Lucifer/sconsbranch/buildhelp/confchecks.py: Forgot to add confchecks. I knew I forgot something back then.
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> I knew I was forgetting something, but couldn't remember what it was (definition of 'forget'!)
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't build yet, though.  :)  Still working on it, but I'd say I'm around 70% of the way there for configure
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> ruby include path is hardcoded still
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> ack, more binreloc stuff, I think
22:31 <z-man> ah, it's doing something.
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> should do a lot.  I like how it reconfigures every time.
22:32 <z-man> now it's compiling.
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> one thing that really annoys me about the gnu system is having to manually run configure from time to time because when make does it, it always screws up
22:33 <z-man> it only screws up for me if I made the generated makefile break and thus unable to regenerate a corrected version.
22:33 <z-man> like, using spaces instead of tabs. Happens about every time.
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> heh
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> I'm actually lying about 'always', but it does seem to screw it up often.  I get builds that work, so I commit, then you say it doesn't work
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> make clean && make and sure enough, it didn't work
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> always there's a make calling configure in there somewhere.  Maybe I'm blaming the wrong thing, I don't know.
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> we're probably going to finally be able to build your choice of client, server, and master server in one sweep
22:37 <z-man> Yeah, but we'd need to convert the #ifdef DEDICATED bits to if()s
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> ?  ahhh, to do it *right*, sure.  I'm just talking about doing it with what we have, which means separate build directories, and basically building everything twice
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> no significant performance gain, just something that feels right on the commandline
22:39 <luke-jr|work> o.o
22:39 <luke-jr|work> Lucifer_arma: see the ebuild
22:39 <luke-jr|work> it does that already ;)
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> ebuild's hardly cross-platform
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> look at my shoe, it'll do us the same good
22:39 <luke-jr|work> the point being, it's not hard
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> then why is it only in the ebuild?
22:40 <luke-jr|work> it's not
22:40 <luke-jr|work> just mkdir build-client && cd build-client && ../configure 
22:40 <Lucifer_arma> I see, you're making as much sense as usual
22:40 <luke-jr|work> etc
22:40 <luke-jr|work> the ebuild shows how simple it can be
22:40 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: have you checked build_eclipse?
22:40 <z-man> Does the same thing
22:40 <z-man> builds server/client debug/optimized all in one go.
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> well, since you put it that way, so does codeblocks, msvc, etc.
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> but our source tarball doesn't.
22:42 <luke-jr|work> it does, provided you know how to use it
22:43 <luke-jr|work> unless you're making a big difference over running 'make' once...
22:44 <z-man> src/render/rFont.cpp:39:28: FTGLBitmapFont.h: No such file or directory
22:44 <z-man> src/render/rFont.cpp:39:28: FTGLBitmapFont.h: No such file or directory
22:44 <z-man> get that, too?
22:45 <wrtlprnft> umm, no
22:45 <z-man> I've got the file in /usr/include/FTGL and /usr/local/inlcude/FTGL
22:45 <z-man> wrtlprnft: not you, Lucifer_arma
22:46 <wrtlprnft> oh, lol, it hilighted your lines because of the “font” in them
22:47 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: you set the two AA_ variables to 1, not strings :)
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> er, no
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> huh?  thought I set them to strings...
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> our configure.ac has some ftgl comments about pkg-config not consistently finding the include directories
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> and libs
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> I copped out and just depended on pkg-config, that particular check needs more work
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> wow, I did set them to 1
22:54 <luke-jr|work> lol
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> heh, oops
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> forgot the function signature of my own stupid function
22:56  * Lucifer_arma is very sleepy
22:57 <z-man> Bah, you said so 12 hours ago.
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> well, I haven't slept since then, soooo...........
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> I made a similar mistake over VERSION, actually.  Didn't put quotes, so it tried to interpret 0.3_alpha6574 as a float
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, we'll have to rewrite most of our special checks in python.
22:58 <z-man> That's true.
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> and the consequences of the checks
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> but we get to do something that would be very difficult, if it's possible, with autoconf :)
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> we get to run all the checks (provided they don't depend on one another), and if the user's preferred configuration can't be built, we can give him one list of all the reasons
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> so he won't have to iteratively run configure looking for dependencies we forgot to mention :)
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> in cases where he wants something optional, we can tell him how he can get it built now and what he'll need to build it the way he wants it later
23:00  * Lucifer_arma is really liking scons
23:01 <luke-jr|work> besides its being python?
23:01 <luke-jr|work> if it can handle dependencies better than Make, it probably wins easily ;)
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> oh good, can't link.  Heh.
23:02 <luke-jr|work> can't link? O.o
23:06 <z-man> Hmm, the unistd and wmemset checks don't seem to work. The log says "yes" on them, but aa_config.h does not define the defines.
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> odd, they work here
23:08 <z-man> I'll do a fresh checkout. I may have accidentally run bootstrap.sh.
23:10 <k3nNy> #weather innsbruck
23:10 <@armabot> k3nNy: The current temperature in Innsbruck, Austria is 32.0°F (10:50 PM CET on January 17, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 30.2°F. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa. 
23:15 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: developer_version is missing now.
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> heh
23:15 <@armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6962 /private/Lucifer/sconsbranch/ (SConstruct developer_version): Another forgotten file. Oh, the tragedy, the horror, the heartache.
23:15 <z-man> (was using svk so far and the version generation failed earler on)
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> echo "0.3" > developer_version
23:16 <Lucifer_arma> why the hell can't I add SDL_mixer to LIBS?
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, problem in the SConcript file
23:18 <z-man> Still the same problem with the checks and missing #defines.
23:19 <z-man> anyway, bedtime for me.
23:19 <z-man> Yay, the mac build just ran through!
23:19 <luke-jr|work> you're cross-building for mac?
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> really?  no way!
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> with scons?
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> I've got linker errors out the wazzoo
23:20 -!- guru3 is now known as e^ipi
23:21 <z-man> luke-jr|work: no, silly :) I have a mac.
23:21 <e^ipi> woot
23:21 <luke-jr|work> since when?
23:21 <luke-jr|work> I thought you ran Gentoo
23:22 <e^ipi> i'm still waiting for my damn mac to arrive
23:22 <z-man> Wedding present from my parents.
23:22 <z-man> And guess what? The build runs out of the box.
23:22 <wrtlprnft> i guess nemo did a good job :)
23:23 <z-man> yep.
23:23 <z-man> He has all the libraries packed somewhere on his website, all I had to do was
23:23 <z-man> get them, move them somewhere, get svn+xcode, checkout, open, and build.
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> oh, the regular mac build.  Heh.
23:23 <luke-jr|work> so not with scons?
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> you took it all the way to the app bundle?
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> (not that that's hard, if you can get it to build, the app bundle builds itself, pretty much)
23:24 <z-man> I didn't have to.
23:24 <z-man> It gets built automatically.
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> oh, wow, that's cool.
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> So I guess I can mark that task as 100% complete :)
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> actually, 80%, leaving room for changes between now and branch time
23:25 <z-man> I think so, anyway. It's a bit hard to keep one thing from the other on a mac.
23:25 <z-man> And of couse, I only built 0.2.8. 0.3.0 is not much different.
23:25 <z-man> I hope.
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, then I can only really mark it at like 20% until you build the trunk.  :)
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> it'll probably still go pretty smoothly though.  Nice thing about macs is you don't have so damn many little gotchas to get working on every machine
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> the barrier for us is possession of a mac.  :/
23:27 <z-man> Building for earlier OSX releases is a bit tricky, though.
23:27 <z-man> anyway, bedtime. Early morning lecture tomorrow.
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> 'night
23:30 <[CH]DarkStar> e^ipi: getting my /msgs or is freenode blocking again?
23:30 <e^ipi> blocking
23:31 <[CH]DarkStar> k
23:31 <[CH]DarkStar> just said i had the adapter done
23:31 <[CH]DarkStar> and i'm about to test it
23:31 <e^ipi> cool
23:32 <[CH]DarkStar> indeed
23:32 <ghableska> #weather 50266
23:32 <@armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 21.2°F (4:32 PM CST on January 17, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 8.6°F. Windchill: 10.4°F. Pressure: 29.29 in 991.8 hPa. 
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> `IMG_InvertAlpha'  <--- that's in SDL_image, right?
23:34 <[CH]DarkStar> wtf
23:34 <[CH]DarkStar> there's already an install of linux on the xbox hd
23:34 <e^ipi> lol
23:36 <[CH]DarkStar> well that's pretty cool ><
23:36 <luke-jr|work> O.o
23:36 <luke-jr|work> bought a used Xbox?
23:36 <[CH]DarkStar> not bought
23:36 <[CH]DarkStar> gogot from a friend
23:36 <luke-jr|work> o
23:37 <luke-jr|work> I wish a friend would give me a PS3 :o
23:37 <luke-jr|work> but that can wait a few months till the VMM is better supported
23:37 <luke-jr|work> s/VMM/hypervisor
23:37 -!- e^ipi is now known as guru3
23:39 <ghableska> I thought people took their girlfriends out for dinner....?
23:39 <ghableska> rt
23:39 <ghableska> agh
23:39 <ghableska> wrong box >.<
23:39 <luke-jr|work> wtf?
23:39 <ghableska> ignore what I just said
23:40 <luke-jr|work> no
23:40 <luke-jr|work> explain
23:40 <ghableska> stupid tabbed windows
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> my girlfriends used to take me out for dinner
23:41 <ghableska> " [16:31] seanm924:  y else would i go to a pasta dinner? 
23:41 <ghableska>  [16:31] ghableska: Um, with your girlfriend?
23:41 <ghableska>  [16:31] seanm924:  wtf?  that sounds romantic"
23:41 <ghableska> O_o
23:46 -!- spidey [i=spidey@68-119-125-27.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #armagetron
23:47 <ghableska> spidey:
23:47 -!- k3nNy [n=k3nNy@213.47.177.62] has quit ["Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com"]
23:47 <spidey> what?
23:47 <ghableska> ?
23:47 <spidey> ...
23:47 <spidey> do you have cs 1.6?
23:48 <ghableska> you already asked me that
23:48 <spidey> o
23:48 <spidey> what'd you say? :P
23:48 <ghableska> ...
23:48 <Lucifer_arma> he offered to take you out to east pasta
23:49 <ghableska> no, luke-jr|work did
23:49 <Lucifer_arma> "I don't know what I want to do"
23:49 <Lucifer_arma> "Go pick up your room"
23:49 <Lucifer_arma> "That's not what I wanted to do!"
23:49 <Lucifer_arma> poor kid
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> that'll show him to be bored near me
23:50 <spidey> haha
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23:52 <@armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6963 /private/Lucifer/sconsbranch/ (SConstruct src/SConscript): Down to 3 linker errors, yay\!
23:52 <ghableska> yay!
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> hey, that's not bad for starting with a completely new build system about 12 hours ago
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> er, maybe more like 16 hours ago
23:53 <ghableska> well, I didn't say it was bad
23:53 <ghableska> I was celebrating with you :P
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't say you said it was bad
23:53 <ghableska> it was implied
23:53 <ghableska> sort of
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> grrr
23:54 <Lucifer_arma> what about "I didn't say you said I said it was bad"?
23:54  * ghableska backs off
23:54  * Lucifer_arma teaches ghableska recursion
23:54  * ghableska looks at Wikipedia entry
23:55 <Lucifer_arma> the problem with these linker errors is that none of them should exist, unless I missed a source file somewhere
23:56 <ghableska> so it would be like f(f(f(x))) etc...?
23:57 <luke-jr|work> lol
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> right
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> newton's method is a recursive method
23:59 <ghableska> ok

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