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Log from 2006-12-08:
--- Day changed Fri Dec 08 2006
00:01 <Vanhayes> #weather Saint John
00:01 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 45°F / 7°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.83in / 1010hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 6:00 PM AST; Tonight - Cloudy periods. 30 percent chance of showers early this evening. Fog patches. Wind south 20 km/h except 40 along the fundy coast early this evening. Wind becoming light this evening. Low minus 1.; Friday - Rain showers or flurries (1 more message)
00:01 <Vanhayes> #more
00:01 <armabot> Vanhayes: changing to periods of snow in the morning. Rainfall amount 2 mm. Snowfall amount 5 cm. Wind becoming north 40 km/h gusting to 60 late in the morning. High zero with temperature falling to minus 4 in the afternoon. Friday night..clearing early in the evening. Wind north 40 km/h gusting to 60 becoming light overnight. Low minus 10.; Saturday - A mix of sun and cloud. High zero.;
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00:55 <DrJoeTron> yo
00:55 <pilot> back
00:55 <DrJoeTron> go back
00:55 <pilot> ?
00:55 <DrJoeTron> :D
00:56 <spidey> ..
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01:02 <DrJoeTron> we need to block that thing :p
01:05 <spidey> #g 20*6
01:05 <armabot> spidey: 20 * 6 = 120
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02:21 <GodTodd> blergle
02:26 <Your_mom_arma> blarg
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02:35 <GodTodd> flargle blargle boo popper
02:38 <ghableska> *yawn*
02:38 <ghableska> #weather 50265
02:38 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 14.0°F (6:54 PM CST on December 07, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: -0.4°F. Pressure: 30.70 in 1040 hPa.
02:38 <Compn> #serverinfo wild west fort
02:38 <armabot> Compn: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “wild west fort” at the moment, sorry.
02:38 <Compn> #serverinfo fortress
02:38 <armabot> Compn: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress: Players (6/14): CrAzZy, Reeli, SHACE, \\Nervous//, ~}XD{~Zero, ÷swaziland
02:38 <Compn> doh
02:42 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
02:42 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Custer & Pleasant Valley, Plano, Texas is 32.2°F (7:42 PM CST on December 07, 2006). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 27%. Dew Point: 1.4°F. Windchill: 26.6°F. Pressure: 30.72 in 1040.2 hPa.
02:43 <Compn> #weather 48152
02:43 <armabot> Compn: The current temperature in 8 Mile and Middlebelt, Farmington Hills, Michigan is 20.7°F (8:38 PM EST on December 07, 2006). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 5.0°F. Pressure: 29.59 in 1001.9 hPa.
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03:31 <ghableska> #weather 50265
03:31 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 10.4°F (7:54 PM CST on December 07, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: -0.4°F. Windchill: 3.2°F. Pressure: 30.71 in 1040 hPa.
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03:59 <spidey> #cnn 38256
03:59 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in Paris, TN is 20.0°F. Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Wind: NNW at 17 mph (27 km/h).
04:17 <ghableska> spidey, spidey
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04:30 <DrJoeTron>  /back
04:30 <ghableska> wb
04:30 <DrJoeTron> yo
04:31 <GodTodd> goddamn it joe
04:31 <DrJoeTron> :( baby i can change
04:31 <GodTodd> bullshit...you always say that and then it's the same old shit
04:32 <DrJoeTron> i didnt know it was your daughter
04:32 <DrJoeTron> i swear
04:33 <GodTodd> heh
04:41 <mkzelda> #weather 27545
04:41 <armabot> mkzelda: The current temperature in Southall Subdivision, Raleigh, North Carolina is 34.3°F (10:41 PM EST on December 07, 2006). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 14.0°F. Windchill: 30.2°F. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026.0 hPa.
04:42 <DrJoeTron> i'll see yoour 34.3 F and raise you with a
04:42 <DrJoeTron> #cnn 60056
04:42 <armabot> DrJoeTron: The current temperature in Mount Prospect, IL is 13.0°F. Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 56%. Wind: WNW at 11 mph (18 km/h).
04:42 <mkzelda> :D
04:42 <mkzelda> its supposed to be 20 tonight
04:42 <DrJoeTron> its fucking cold out
04:42 <mkzelda> its been 78 this week
04:42 <mkzelda> so, our 34 feels pretty shitty atm
04:42 <DrJoeTron> sounds rough :(
04:43 <mkzelda> and its so damn windy my car was flying all over the road
04:43 <mkzelda> it was like drunk driving
04:43 <mkzelda> so i hear
04:43 <mkzelda> :D
04:43 <ghableska> #weather 50265
04:43 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 10.4°F (8:54 PM CST on December 07, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: -0.4°F. Windchill: -2.2°F. Pressure: 30.68 in 1039 hPa.
04:43 <ghableska> >_>
04:43 <mkzelda> yipes
04:44 <mkzelda> last night i was watching tv and the news had their stupid commercial blurb
04:44 <ghableska> #weather Ulaanbataar
04:44 <armabot> ghableska: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "Ulaanbataar".
04:44 <ghableska> GodTodd: ;)
04:44 <mkzelda> "An arctic blast, coming our way, tonight at eleven"
04:44 <ghableska> grr
04:44 <mkzelda> i saw that at 10:45
04:44 <ghableska> I can never get that right
04:44 <ghableska> #weather Ulaanbaatar
04:44 <mkzelda> i thought, "only 15 mins till this arctic blast"
04:44 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia is 10.4°F (11:30 AM ULAT on December 08, 2006). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 5.0°F. Pressure: 30.45 in 1031 hPa.
04:45 <mkzelda> i hate the news
04:45 <mkzelda> i'd rather listen to fran drescher
04:46 <mkzelda> they make dumb mistakes like that every night in almost every story
04:46 <ghableska> "high nasal tone" lol
04:46 <mkzelda> How the hell they know the arctic blast is coming precisely at 11?
04:46 <mkzelda> :D
04:46 <mkzelda> and it wasnt even a complete sentence, there was no verb in the sentence
04:46 <ghableska> they're weather(wo)men- they know everything
04:47 <mkzelda> they sputter fragments
04:48 <ghableska> :P
04:48 <mkzelda> The world ending at 7:00 tonight, details at eleven.
04:48 <mkzelda> up next, why you could be paying more at the pump
04:48 <mkzelda> cause the price went up?
04:49 <ghableska> maybe...
04:49 <mkzelda> i dont really have very much hate
04:49 <mkzelda> i reserve that word for choice occasions
04:49 <mkzelda> the news is one of them
04:49 <DrJoeTron> if you say hate alot
04:49 <DrJoeTron> you destroy the sinisterness of it
04:49 <mkzelda> yea
04:49 <mkzelda> any word or value for that matter
04:50 <DrJoeTron> yeah
04:50 <DrJoeTron> like antiquing
04:50 <mkzelda> like the south park episode where they said 'shit' 230ish times
04:50 <DrJoeTron> or shit
04:50 <DrJoeTron> daddy taught me how to swear :D
04:51 <mkzelda> im using my fireplace for the first time
04:51 <mkzelda> not b/c i needed to, but b/c i could
04:51 <mkzelda> cause fire is teh winz!
04:52 <mkzelda> i wanted to try it out b4 all my family got here for christmas
04:53 <GodTodd> family sux
04:59 <mkzelda> jesus was born so i get lots of presents, thank you jesus for being born
05:02 <mkzelda> man extreme home makeover came here and shut down parts of town
05:02 <mkzelda> and everyone around here acted like idiots b/c tv crews were around
05:03 <mkzelda> i wish i had something wrong w/ me so i could get a dope million dollar mansion w/ 18 plasma tv's
05:04 <mkzelda> i hate that show too, the cast always acts so high and mighty for helping people when its their job and they get paid (VERY WELL) to do so, and everything is funded/donated by companies who in turn get tons of free advertising and make all the money back b/c its all tax write-offs
05:05 <mkzelda> and instead of spending millions on one family they could have helped many families w/ less
05:07 <GodTodd> i wouldn't be able to afford the property taxes on the bigass house they'd build
05:13 <mkzelda> i checked it out today, it looks ridiculous
05:13 <mkzelda> cause its  so much larger and nicer than any other house nearby
05:13 <mkzelda> also, the recpient is blind
05:14 <mkzelda> so... they could have just neglected the aesthetics
05:14 <ghableska> haha
05:14 <mkzelda> no paint
05:14 <GodTodd> heh
05:15 <mkzelda> they made it this stone/cobblestone exterior
05:15 <mkzelda> no houses look like that here
05:15 <GodTodd> so...how'd that reveal segment go?  "How do you like it?" "How the fuck would I know, I'm blind you bastard!"
05:15 <mkzelda> haha
05:16 <mkzelda> its yet to air on tv but i saw the news clip and she started dancing
05:16 <Lucifer_arma> #weather 78717
05:16 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The current temperature in Meadows of Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 41.4°F (10:15 PM CST on December 07, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: 15.8°F. Windchill: 37.4°F. Pressure: 30.54 in 1034.1 hPa.
05:16 <mkzelda> they said "legally blind"
05:16 <Lucifer_arma> well, DareDevil is legally blind
05:16 <mkzelda> but it seemed that person could see alright
05:16 <mkzelda> they moved the bus and she responded
05:17 <mkzelda> cause otherwise i'd think she'd keep standing there and say 'did they move hte bus yet?'
05:17 <GodTodd> hmmm
05:17 <GodTodd> doesn't sound too fucking blind to me
05:17 <GodTodd> she's in it for the house
05:17 <GodTodd> bitch
05:17 <mkzelda> do i start dancing now?
05:17 <mkzelda> OMG it smells beautiful
05:17 <GodTodd> maybe that's it...they jabbed her to get her dancing
05:18 <mkzelda> actually during the summer i work in that area, its the bad side of town and they run after school programs for kids to keep them off the streets and out of trouble
05:19 <ghableska> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6213012.stm
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> you guys talking about some dumb reality tv show?
05:19 <ghableska> hahahahahaha
05:19 <mkzelda> wow
05:19 <mkzelda> We had cops kill a kid here cause he stole a PS3
05:19 <ghableska> O_O
05:19 <GodTodd> yeah...mkzelda watches extreme makeover home edition
05:19 <ghableska> how old was he?
05:20 <mkzelda> 19ish
05:20 <mkzelda> college student at UNC-Wilmington
05:20 <mkzelda> Lucifer_arma: i hate that show, and now it came to my town and shut down streets i drive regularly
05:20 <mkzelda> and made people act like idiots b/c its tv
05:21 <GodTodd> i've found people tend to act like idiots anyway
05:21 <mkzelda> ya but put them in numbers and in front of a camera
05:21 <GodTodd> true
05:22 <mkzelda> u never know what you'll get
05:23 <GodTodd> hence the popularity of crappy reality tv
05:24 <mkzelda> if its not one stupid trend its another
05:24 <GodTodd> this reality trend has overstayed its welcome tho
05:24 <mkzelda> looks like game shows are on their way back
05:24 <luke-jr> TV sucks
05:25 <GodTodd> game shows never left
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> make no mistake about it, every reality TV show I've seen was a "game show"
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> you all saw Time Bandits, right?
05:25 <GodTodd> yep
05:25 <GodTodd> have it on dvd :)
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> I want to hire Terry Gilliam to be my personal prophet
05:25 <mkzelda> no
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, was he right, or was he right with that movie?  :)
05:25 <GodTodd> heh
05:26 <mkzelda> oh does it have that old bat from who's the boss
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> "and now, would you like to save your wife and win no prizes, or would you like to answer this question, and if you get it wrong, she dies!"
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> (or something like that)
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> not that I know of.  It's a british movie
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> bunch of midgets, a kid, and a big talking head that says "Return the map!"
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> and the Devil, of course.
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> John Cleese plays the Supreme Being
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> the group of midgets was in a chevy chase movie, and some of them appeared in Willow (although Willow himself was not in Time Bandits)
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> there's two cameos from ummm, Indy's dad
05:28  * Lucifer_arma kicks himself for not remembering Sean Connery
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> Sean Connery plays Agamemnon :)
05:28 <mkzelda> ya thats it
05:28 <mkzelda> i have seen pieces
05:28 <mkzelda> it does that woman from who's the boss
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> ah yeah, she plays the troll's wife
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> in the ship, in the time of legends
05:28 <mkzelda> thats why i didnt watch all of it
05:29 <Compn> sean connery was great in zardoz :d
05:29 <Compn> ZARDOZ MAN!
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> he didn't even talk in zardoz!
05:29 <Compn> yes he did, not much
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> just looked around and showed us his hairy nut sack
05:29 <Compn> lol
05:29 <mkzelda> thats why Compn liked it
05:29 <Compn> i didnt need to see his junk....
05:29 <Compn> that was way too far
05:30 <mkzelda> haha
05:30 <Compn> should be laws against that
05:30 <Compn> sean connery is banned from being naked forever
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> "If I made the universe, I would have started with lasers on day one!"
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> well, don't worry about that old chick being in it.  First, she's good in it, and second, she's only there for like 5 minutes
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> the movie rocks
05:31 <Compn> so what movie you guys talking about?
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> they mug Napolean, sink on the Titanic, etc
05:31 <Compn> time bandits
05:31 <Compn> ack
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> Time Bandits
05:31 <Compn> who directed that?
05:31 <Compn> gilliam?
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> yep
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> it was his first non-python show, iirc
05:31 <Compn> i cant believe i waited so long to watch 'brazil'
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> maybe just his first as director
05:32 <Compn> brazil was insane
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> I haven't seen Brazil.  :)
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> but I saw Twelve Monkeys
05:32 <Compn> i love twelve monkeys
05:32 <Compn> but it blows twelve monkeys away... thats how good it is
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> I'll have to catch it.  It's already on my list to watch every movie Terry Gilliam ever made
05:33 <Compn> i heard bruiser sucks tho
05:33 <Compn> errr
05:33 <Compn> wrong director
05:33 <Compn> nm
05:33 <Compn> :D
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> come on man, from animating monty python to Time Bandits and Twelve MOnkeys, I'll bet his shitty movies are better than most directors' lifetime best!
05:33 <Compn> bruiser was george ramero
05:34 <Compn> dunno how i got them confused
05:34 <Compn> lost in lamancha (that docu about gilliam's don quixote movie) was painful to watch :D
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> heh
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> I thought he didn't make his don quixote movie because nobody would fund it?
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> they should have gotten him to direct Hitchhiker's Guide...
05:35 <Compn> he got some work started on it, some filming, but it broke down
05:35 <Compn> i saw the mini-series of hitchhikers, and the new movie missed some good jokes ;\
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> I haven't seen the new movie yet, nobody's given it to me, and I won't give the MPAA any of *my* money
05:36 <Compn> i downloaded a cam a while back i think
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> like I said, I won't give the MPAA any of *my* money
05:36 <Compn> i cant wait for idiocracy
05:36 <Compn> :)
05:36 <Compn> FOX BURN IN HELL!
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> we already have idiocracy in the US
05:37 <Compn> for burying idiocracy
05:37 <Compn> huh?
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> I'm sorry, I know bush keeps calling it "democracy"
05:37 <Compn> ah
05:37 <Compn> i meant new mike judge movie
05:37 <Compn> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/
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05:50 <mkzelda> Lucifer_arma always lets us know what he/she's doing: 2447 actions!
05:50 <mkzelda> For example, like this:
05:50 <mkzelda>      * Lucifer_arma farted
05:51 <mkzelda> hehe
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06:10 <Durka> #lastseen whatup
06:11 <Durka> :[
06:12 <armabot> Durka: timed out
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06:13 <luke-jr> haha
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06:16 <GodTodd> luke-jr: find yourself amusing?
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> well, I guess we can't cry for the indians anymore
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> they're stinking rich!
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> (the Seminole tribe in Florida just bought the Hard Rock Cafe chain)
06:25 <GodTodd> is that so that they could get cheap drinks?
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Game_Variations&curid=1432&diff=16630&oldid=16571
06:27 <mkzelda> I wonder if you need reservations
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> heh
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> what they didn't realize when they bought it was that the white men they bought it from are just going to take it back
06:28 <mkzelda> they should open a clone of it and call it Manifest Destiny
06:28 <mkzelda> hrm, i cant join WW sumo, i get 404 errors dling the map yet i see 8 ppl playing it
06:34 <Compn> #serverinfo sum
06:34 <armabot> Compn: Wild West - Sumo: Players (2/10): Egg, Super Duck?
06:34 <Compn> works for me
06:34 <Compn> #serverinfo sum
06:34 <armabot> Compn: Wild West - Sumo: Players (2/10): Egg, Super Duck?
06:35 <mkzelda> :/
06:35 <mkzelda> i think my last cvs update broke some stuff, i have that prob and i also can only get 320x240 or 2560x1024 in Fullscreen
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> Rocket Brigade, that's what the unit should be called
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> have you updated your driver and/or sdl recently?
06:37 <mkzelda> neither of those, but i have updated other things, that could be the source, or i could just need to rm my .cfg
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> well, arma does query via sdl for available resolutions
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> it could be querying wrong, but I thought I'd ask in case there might be an indication of something else
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: spidey (hi there!) I figured out why scorched3d didn't work for me, and I fixed it :)
06:43 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: it broke spidey's sound
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> ?
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> scorched3d?
06:43 <mkzelda> Lucifer_arma: flea said he had same prob, removing cfg fixed
06:43 <luke-jr> yeah
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> mkzelda: that indicates a problem in arma.  :)  File a bug report?  If it's not there already?
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: sure it's not PEBKAC?
06:45 <luke-jr> nope, could be
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> I suppose they could have replaced some system library or other, but it's kind of unlikely...
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> worst thing they might have done is change some registry key or something, in which case simply reinstalling the driver should fix it
06:46 <luke-jr> BTW, did I mention it'd be nice if Arma didn't block on audio things?
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, my problem was Xgl.  Apparently there are font problems in Xgl, and one of the fixes is to run xorg instead
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> BTW, did I mention that I'll deal with when I can, and mentioning it again and again isn't going to change that?
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> if you want it done faster, do it yourself
06:47 <mkzelda> as long as you start your sound first you can play both :D
06:47 <luke-jr> Xgl is obsolete
06:48 <luke-jr> mkzelda: no, arma freezes when you exit a round if it's blocked
06:50 <mkzelda> not for me
06:50 <mkzelda> im doing that right now, have always done that
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> have I mentioned that I was right and y'all were right, that what we call an expression in vValue is by definition still a function?
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> but that it can take multiple parameters.  :)  (calc 3 is the beginning study of functions that take multiple parameters)
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> so now I'd like vValue to support vector functios
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> *functions
06:51 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: sure
06:52 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: you can do the hard part
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> in any case, it's still a function because it has to return one and only one value for the parameters given
06:52 <luke-jr> make a vValue that turns Movement-derivative into Movement or vice versa
06:52 <luke-jr> it can return an array
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> that's called "scope creep", I suspect
06:53 <luke-jr> hm?
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> if it returns an array, how is the calling code that expects a number supposed to know what to do with it?
06:53 <luke-jr> would it be easier to go directly from Speed/Acceleration to Position?
06:54 <luke-jr> it's not
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> no, because the direction might change.  All position gives you is the distance traveled, it says nothing of the direction
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> you'll need more specific examples, actually
06:54 <luke-jr> no, Speed/Accel would be coordinate sets
06:54 <luke-jr> I think
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> why?  they're not coordinates...
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> ok, what would the coordinates mean?
06:55 <luke-jr> for speed, change in (x,y) per t
06:55 <luke-jr> for accel, change in speed in (x,y) per t
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> so the position function is f(x,y) then?
06:56  * Lucifer_arma notes that f(x,y) is a surface, not a path
06:56 <luke-jr> Position would only get 't' and return (x,y) position
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> what type is t?
06:57 <luke-jr> coordinate
06:57 <luke-jr> oh
06:57 <luke-jr> t
06:57 <luke-jr> t is some time representation
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> so float/int/real?
06:57 <luke-jr> floating point probably
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> then Position should return distance traveled in that time
06:57 <luke-jr> no, Position would be the location of the object at that time
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> to get an actual position, you need a vector function
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> then you pass it t and get a vector, the new position of the object is on the tip of the vector
06:58 <luke-jr> wtf is a vector
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> ummmm
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> you've never studied vectors?!?
06:59 <luke-jr> lol
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> something like 5i + 6j ?
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> or <5,6>
06:59 <GodTodd> no...study is a dirty word
06:59 <luke-jr> might've
06:59 <luke-jr> if I did, I don't remember it right now
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> how about "5 m/sec at 45 degrees"?
06:59 <luke-jr> oh
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> vector is magnitude and direction
06:59 <luke-jr> ok
06:59 <luke-jr> that'd be Speed
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> the position function you're talking about is only magnitude, so it's derivatives can also only be magnitude
06:59 <luke-jr> not Position
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> position would be distance, which is a magnitude
07:00 <luke-jr> Position would be the exact coordinate
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> actual position requires the function return something with a physical position
07:00 <luke-jr> not a derivative at all
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> you've done parametric equations?
07:00 <luke-jr> dunno
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> where the point (x,y) is determined by one equation for x, and another one for y?
07:01 <luke-jr> maybe
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> so x = x(t) and y = y(t)
07:01 <luke-jr> it's been over a year since college... :p
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> a point is then ( x(t), y(t) )
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07:01 <GodTodd> ahhh...but college only taught you things you already knew
07:01 <Durka> #lastseen qain
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> t is usually time, same time you give to the distance function, but what you get out is a set of points that represent a path traveled
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> if you graph it, you'll see an actual path
07:02 <Durka> #lastseen olato
07:02 <luke-jr> GodTodd: as far as computers, which was the purpose
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> changing it to a vector is really just a notation technicality
07:02 <GodTodd> yeah...cuz computers don't require math
07:02 <luke-jr> GodTodd: only very specialized things do
07:03 <armabot> Durka: timed out
07:03 <luke-jr> well, this kind of math anyhow
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> well, a lot of OpenGL that previously didn't make sense started making a lot more sense this semester
07:03 <GodTodd> such as...hmm...programming
07:03 <luke-jr> Durka: timed out
07:03 <luke-jr> GodTodd: nope
07:03 <luke-jr> programming is language, not math
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> I'm now going to recommend everyone wanting to do OPenGL programming take a multivariable calculus class
07:03 <luke-jr> other side of the brain
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> ummmm
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> programming is math :)
07:03 <GodTodd> ummm so you guys aren't talking about programming right now?
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> what's the derivative of gets() ?
07:03 <luke-jr> GodTodd: no
07:03 <Durka> #lastseen rain
07:03 <GodTodd> hmmm
07:04 <luke-jr> we're talking about equations for game physics
07:04 <armabot> Durka: timed out
07:04 <GodTodd> okie dokie
07:04 <Durka> #lastseen plato
07:04 <armabot> Durka: Rainer Lempert has last been seen on  -=}ID< Immortal Dynasty Server 0 days 7 hours 19 minutes ago.
07:04 <luke-jr> Durka: stfu
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> gets` = getc()
07:04 <GodTodd> which won't be programmed i suppose
07:04 <luke-jr> GodTodd: it already is, we're trying to make it a configuration option :p
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> look, if vValue can store a 3d vector, and have an expression parser, maybe it can store a vector function too
07:04 <GodTodd> by not programming the option in?
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> were you planning on including 3d vectors into vValue?
07:05 <armabot> Durka: timed out
07:05 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: as soon as eCoord can handle 3D
07:05 <luke-jr> IIRC, I have a branch with that
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> make vValue support 3d vectors and eCoord is obsolete :)
07:05 <luke-jr> eCoord will be the class used to store/return vectors :p
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07:06 <Lucifer_arma> well, whatever.  It would be nice to define acceleration due to gravity as -r^2 instead of -8.9
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> (where r is distance from the center of the earth)
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm
07:07  * Lucifer_arma goes to grab a smoke
07:07 <luke-jr> Arma isn't played on Earth :p
07:08 <GodTodd> luke is right...i have to learn...if luke says it, it is true
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> heh
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> it would be more accurate, I think, to view programming as being derived from math, and heavily dependent on it
07:12 <GodTodd> as i do
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> it's hard to look at a system that uses algebraic syntax at its core and say its not math, otoh, it does use the language part of your brain
07:12 <GodTodd> but that is wrong
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> that's why many mathematicians can't program, and many linguists can't program
07:13 <GodTodd> math and programming are separate things
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> to be a programmer you have to have some mathematical ability and some liguistical ability
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> but as luke-jr (hi there!) has demonstrated so well, you don't have to have common sense
07:14 <GodTodd> i was just mainly making the point that he was using the excuse that he hadn't had college math in a while as an excuse after saying college is a complete waste of time because they were teaching him stuff he already knew
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> maybe he doesn't want to admit he didn't study as much calculus as he lets on?
07:15 <GodTodd> he doesn't want to admit he couldn't hack a well rounded education imo
07:15 <mkzelda> he studied ellipses
07:16 <GodTodd> much like a child who gives up on something out of frustration says "well, it's stupid anyway...who'd want to do that?"
07:17  * GodTodd gets peeved when anyone says education is a waste of time.
07:17 <GodTodd> heh
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> education is a waste of time
07:17  * Lucifer_arma dodges
07:17 <GodTodd> sumbitch
07:17 <GodTodd> ;)
07:18 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: syntax is language, not math
07:18 <GodTodd> did you read anything he said?
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> a = b + c is math
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> a = b + c; is c code
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> what's the difference?
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> a = sin(b) is math
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> a = sin(b); is c code
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> what's a c function?
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> how is it different than f(x) = x^2 + 1 ?
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> besides syntax, it's not.  It's the same concept
07:20  * Lucifer_arma struggled with C when he was 15, then studied functions in his algebra class and suddenly C made sense.  Coincidence?
07:21  * Lucifer_arma notes that many CS degrees only require single variable integral and differential calculus, and applications of such (aka differential equations).
07:21 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: I'd argue that calculus should come before algebra, BTW
07:21 <luke-jr> it's easier
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> throw in a token 3 hour science class as part of your core and you wind up with a CS degree that doesn't understand vectors
07:21 <luke-jr> algebra is what gets me
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> well, that would be like studying sex before puberty
07:22 <luke-jr> "a = b + c" is a mathematical expression, not math itself
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> it won't make any sense at all
07:22 <luke-jr> math would be the meaning of it
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> it means the same thing in math or C
07:22  * luke-jr was programming long before he "took" algebra, and algebra didn't make sense
07:23  * Lucifer_arma too, doesn't change the fact that many of the programming algorithms and constructs we use were dreamed up by 19th century mathematicians.
07:23 <luke-jr> nah, they were programmers-- just didn't know it at the time :p jk
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> now I just need to learn matrices (which I've managed to skip somehow), and OpenGL will finally make complete sense to me :)
07:24 <luke-jr> sure, you need to know higher maths like Calc to write a vehicle-based game like Arma, but not for programming in general
07:25 <luke-jr> obviously, you need to know basic math-- but you need that for anything
07:26 <luke-jr> note that the main stuff I've done w/ arma is unrelated to the game physics-- eg, no calculus involved
07:26 <luke-jr> just geometry and basic stuff
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> I would argue that you learn algebra when you start programming and you don't already know it
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> the reason I had a hard time with algebra even though I'd been programming for years was because the teacher was awfully lazy about the language
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> took it with a teacher who was damned anal about the language, problem went away
07:27 <luke-jr> I never figured out algebra, even eventually
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> I won't say I'm good at it, I suspect a hint of dyslexia at work which is showing in my calculus too
07:27 <luke-jr> how the heck do you turn "4 = 3x * 2y" into x, y?
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> what's so hard to figure out?  It's just a bunch of little skills, there's nothing conceptually hard about it
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> if you have 2 variables, to solve you must have 2 equations
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> so the answer to your question is "you can't"
07:28 <luke-jr> well, maybe I just remember it wrong
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> you can solve for x or y, but you can't solve for values for x or y without knowing something else about both x and y
07:28 <luke-jr> well, for x or y then
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> ok, solve for x
07:28 <luke-jr> that's probably a bad example tho
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> not really, divide by 6y
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> because 3x * 2y = 6xy
07:29 <luke-jr> (4 / 2y) / 3 = x
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> so you have 4 = 6xy
07:29 <luke-jr> ...
07:29 <luke-jr> hm
07:30 <luke-jr> shrug, maybe if I tried again it'd make sense now
07:30 <luke-jr> IIRC, the book I was using was known to be not that great too
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> probably if you just quit assuming you know everything you'd be amazed at how easy it is to learn new things
07:30 <luke-jr> I never claimed I knew algebra or calc :p
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> there are also many more bad algebra teachers than good
07:31 <luke-jr> I didn't get a teacher
07:31 <luke-jr> just myself and the book
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> problem is, so many algebra teachers try to dumb down the technical stuff, and the result only confuses people
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, if it were a regular textbook like I've used, then I can understand why you'd have trouble.   :)
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> Textbooks suck.  They're meant to be complimentary to a lecture, not to be used on their own.
07:32 <luke-jr> heh
07:32 <luke-jr> my dad was supposed to be the teacher
07:32 <luke-jr> IIRC, when it came to algebra, he just said he had no clue
07:32 <luke-jr> :p
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> how did you get through any calculus without algebra?
07:33 <luke-jr> it was easy?
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07:33 <luke-jr> O.O
07:33 <luke-jr> O.o*
07:33  * Lucifer_arma wonders if this is the part where we find out luke flunked out of calculus
07:33 <luke-jr> first time was a bad teacher :p
07:33 <luke-jr> second time, it was easy
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07:35 <luke-jr> grr
07:36 <luke-jr> just thinking about that first teacher annoys me
07:36 <luke-jr> he assigned a TON of homework
07:36 <GodTodd> aha...there's the crux....bad educational experiences == education is bad
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> heh.  the teacher I'm taking for calc 4 also assigns a ton of homework
07:36 <luke-jr> I think teachers should only be able to assign what they can grade
07:36 <luke-jr> s/able/allowed
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> he's also probably the second best math teacher who ever lived :)
07:37 <GodTodd> better than kellar or is kellar #1?
07:37 <GodTodd> :)
07:37 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: more than he can grade?
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> why?  homework isn't for their benefit, it's for the student
07:37 <luke-jr> students have other classes
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: nope, kellar's the greatest
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> so do teachers
07:37 <luke-jr> we can't dedicate 100% of our time to a single class
07:37 <GodTodd> right...my trig teacher assigned a lot of homework and didn't grade any of it
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> my current calc teacher just goes through the pile, looks to see that there's more than a couple of pages, and writes a check mark on it
07:38 <luke-jr> ...
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> I don't see it taking hiim more than 10 minutes to grade the class's homework :)
07:38 <luke-jr> that teacher just didn't tell us which homework was graded until it was due
07:38 <GodTodd> my trig teacher said that he can just tell by the tests if you've been doing your homework
07:39 <luke-jr> oh, and our graded homework made up part of the final grade
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> when it comes down to it, how much does the teacher care if you do the homework, anyway?
07:39 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: don't ask me
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> so does ours, but that's mostly to give you room to fuck up on a test
07:39 <luke-jr> why do they care if you attend the classes?
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> they don't?
07:39 <GodTodd> they don't
07:39 <luke-jr> I think I'd have done better w/ Discreet if I didn't attend the classes
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> as long as you're learning the material, why should they give a shit?
07:39 <luke-jr> if I didn't attend tho, I'd lose at least a letter off the final grade...
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> besides, in the end it's your grade anyway
07:40 <GodTodd> your grade, your money, your choice
07:40 <GodTodd> it's not high school
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you don't attend, you're not likely to do much better anyway, so why does it matter?
07:40 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: pretty sure I would have in this class
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> now, true, in my school there are teachers who make showing up to class important
07:40 <luke-jr> the book was decent, the teacher wasn't that great
07:40 <luke-jr> time would have been better spent at home reading it
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> was it a private university?
07:40 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: so if your final grade was “failed” you'd get a “ailed”?
07:40 <luke-jr> yes
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> what university was it?
07:41 <luke-jr> Benedictine College
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> catholic school?  :)
07:41 <luke-jr> no
07:41 <luke-jr> conciliarist
07:41 <luke-jr> before I converted
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> in any case, I understand religious schools are pretty hardcore on discipline
07:41 <GodTodd> you're catholic and you chose it? man...
07:41 <GodTodd> heh
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> part of discipline is being where you say you're going to be at the time you say you're going to be there
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> and I could see someone interpreting a class registration as a promise to be at a certain place at a certain time
07:42 <GodTodd> yeah...i've heard they're almost as bad as military schools for that
07:43 <luke-jr> ...
07:43 <GodTodd> the teachers i've had so far here have made attending reward you but never count against you
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> at my school, which is a community college, they figure since tax dollars represent a large amount of the school's funding, they would be irresponsible to let kids just fuck off all day long
07:43 <luke-jr> hm
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> since the success of students is known to have a correlation to both how much homework they do and how many lectures they attend, there tends to be some added emphasis on those two things
07:44 <GodTodd> luke-jr: i bet you'd have a different view of college if you tried a public school
07:44 <luke-jr> GodTodd: I'd probably be non-Catholic and probably even worse off than before I converted
07:44 <GodTodd> not necessarily of course but i'd be willing to put money on it
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> well, supposedly Bush went to Yale...
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> (yeah yeah, Yale's a private school)
07:45 <luke-jr> what's Bush got to do with it?
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> because he's a raving idiot christian, just like you?
07:45 <luke-jr> no, he's a Satanist, like you
07:45 <luke-jr> just claims to be Christian
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> if he were truly a servant of darkness, he wouldn't be talking freedom, pushing the patriot act, and torturing people
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> but he's not, therefore he must be a servant of god
07:46 <luke-jr> you've got it backward :)
07:46 <luke-jr> anyhow
07:46 <luke-jr> wife sez bed time NOW
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> I guarantee you, pound for pound there's more adultery, bestiality, torture, and genocide that's condoned int he christian bible than there is in the satanic bible
07:47 <wrtlprnft>  /away school/not too much interested in another religous debate
07:47 <wrtlprnft> oops
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> haha
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> hi wrtlprnft (hi there!)
07:47  * GodTodd defies luke to say what religion he is.
07:47 <wrtlprnft> well, i'll be really away now.
07:47 <GodTodd> name*
07:47 <luke-jr> wtf does that even mean, GodTodd?
07:47 <GodTodd> which word did you not understand?
07:48 <luke-jr> as a whole
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> function GodTodd() { LukeGuessGodToddsReligion(); }
07:48 <GodTodd> ^^^
07:48 <GodTodd> :)
07:48 <luke-jr> evolutionism?
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> that's not a religion
07:48 <GodTodd> that's not a religion
07:48 <luke-jr> yes it is
07:48 <GodTodd> nope
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> no it's not
07:48 <luke-jr> it's blind belief in evolution, despite its having been disproven
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> it hasn't been disproven
07:48 <GodTodd> if so...then creationism is as well...and jews and christians are the same
07:48 <luke-jr> many times
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> no times
07:49 <luke-jr> GodTodd: oh, I wasn't specific enough?
07:49 <GodTodd> nah...jews and christians being the same is fine by me :)
07:49  * Lucifer_arma looks for the link ghableska gave us
07:49 <luke-jr> Jews are anti-Christian
07:50 <GodTodd> nope...both are creationists
07:50 <GodTodd> and that's the religion
07:50 <luke-jr> in fact, having found out someone is a Jew, I may cancel our get-together next week
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> right, because Jesus, of course, said "love everyone but jews"
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> "hate jews" - Jesus
07:50 <GodTodd> even tho he was a jew
07:51 <luke-jr> Loving Jews involves non-tolerance of Judaism
07:51 <luke-jr> anyhow, bed time NOW I'm reminded
07:51 <luke-jr> bye
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> anti-semitism doesn't come from the bible, it comes from the fact that the Jewish people historically behaved in very assinine ways
07:51  * GodTodd wonders what kind of whip luke's wife uses...
07:51 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma cool
07:51 <luke-jr> anti-Judaism comes from Jews being anti-Christian
07:52 <luke-jr> bye
07:52 <DrJoeTron> too bad i cant play right now
07:52 <DrJoeTron> maybe in a few hours
07:52 <DrJoeTron> but hey
07:52 <DrJoeTron> guys
07:52 <DrJoeTron> heres kind of a serious question
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> good, that's the only kind of question you can ask here
07:53 <DrJoeTron> what do you think is going to shape the 21st century?
07:53 <DrJoeTron> i need this because im writing a paper
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> my penis
07:53 <DrJoeTron> can you support that?
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> err, I meant that the 21st century will be shaped like my penis
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> well, I could, but I'd have to use photos
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> more seriously, I think it's a tossup
07:53 <DrJoeTron> well pictures are infact a thousand words
07:53 <DrJoeTron> woth*
07:54 <DrJoeTron> worth*
07:54 <DrJoeTron> fuck
07:54 <DrJoeTron> thank god for spellcheck
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> either we'll have to deal with the dying gasp of Christianity throwing one last period of totalitarianism on us
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> or the thing that will mostly define the 21st century will be space travel, actual manned expansion into space
07:54 <GodTodd> i can agree with that
07:55 <GodTodd> cuz i'm going to go into robotics which will contribute to that
07:55 <DrJoeTron> ok
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> and build howitzers?  :)
07:55 <DrJoeTron> which also goes to computers
07:55 <GodTodd> i can see everything for quite a while revolving around colonizing space
07:55 <DrJoeTron> computers will definatly shape the 21st century
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> society will be transformed and the technology base will advance dramatically because of colonizing space
07:56 <GodTodd> yep
07:56 <GodTodd> you figure...we've spent the last few decades bitching that we're overpopulating the earth...only one place to go then :)
07:56 <DrJoeTron> immigration
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> what about immigration?
07:57 <DrJoeTron> that will also shape it
07:57 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: how about when God pours out his wrath on the world?
07:57 <GodTodd> ironically...if/when we find life in space...*we'll* be the illegal immigrants ;)
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, how much can it shape it?
07:57 <luke-jr> BTW, Earth can easily handle at least 30 billion people
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> you need to back that statement up with credentials
07:57 <GodTodd> and we won't get there in 100 years?
07:58 <luke-jr> the entire current Earth population can fit in Texas
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> but to have those credentials, you'd need to know what a vector was :)
07:58 <luke-jr> just slightly uncomfortably
07:58  * luke-jr goes back to bed
07:58 <GodTodd> isn't it past your bedtime, luke?
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> look, I saw the Mask of Gideon several times
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> she probably wants to screw, and since they're hardcore catholics...no vibrators
07:58 <DrJoeTron> hmm
07:59 <DrJoeTron> what about cold fusion
07:59 <DrJoeTron> if we get it actually working
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> violates the second law of thermodynamics
07:59 <GodTodd> wouldn't that mean they can't screw unless they're trying to make a baby?
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you're not trying not to make a baby, you're trying to make a baby.  No conscious decision is required.
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think energy problems are going to have that big of an impact, and I think it's safe to say that new energy sources will be found
08:00 <GodTodd> well...what i mean is that he couldn't even pull out or anything
08:00 <GodTodd> cuz that's a form of birth control
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> for example, in colonizing the moon, solar power is going to play a big role in it
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> if the ITER reactor works out, we'll have fusion power finally
08:00 <GodTodd> nah....looooooooooooooong extension cords ;)
08:00  * Lucifer_arma notes he didn't say "cold fusion", which is pseudoscience
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> physicists recently worked out a hypothetical way to transmit power wirelessly
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> they're going to test it, and we all hope it works out, because if it does, it will make a lot of changes
08:01 <GodTodd> yeah...sounds neat...using resonance of electromagnetic waves
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> but I don't know that it will really shape the century really, more like "it'll make the tech base look really neat"
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> but the tech base will become what it will regardless :)
08:02 <DrJoeTron> so lets see
08:02 <GodTodd> i just want to not have to plug in my laptop
08:02 <DrJoeTron> computers
08:02 <GodTodd> heh
08:02 <DrJoeTron> space travel
08:02 <DrJoeTron> what else?
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, hmmmmmm
08:02 <GodTodd> second coming of christ
08:02 <DrJoeTron> second coming of santa
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> you know, I don't know that computers are really going to shape the century.  They'll have their role, but I kind of see computers as already having done whatever damage they're going to do
08:03 <GodTodd> they're just going to make the shaping possible
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> now they're part of the tech base, and just like we don't really think of screws and bolts as shaping the world, neither will computers
08:03 <DrJoeTron> so what about the internet?
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> same thing, it's alredy done whatever damage it's going to do :)
08:03 <DrJoeTron> i think it will do more
08:03 <GodTodd> yeah...it's peaked
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> well, what's left is essentially cleanup, but the internet has been successfully integrated into society
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> anything that comes next is going to depend on advances that frankly I don't think it's safe to predict
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> like if we got direct neural interfacing, that will transform society, but is it really going to happen?
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> can't say
08:04 <GodTodd> it's definitely going to be an exciting century i think
08:05 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: it's about here
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> fusion has been "about here" for 20 years
08:05 <DrJoeTron> well its a english 101 persuasive essay
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> yet TXU is reopening a coal plant
08:05 <DrJoeTron> i could say pudding is going to shape the 21st century
08:05 <GodTodd> www.brainfingers.com
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> and as long as you support it, you get an A, right?
08:06 <Lucifer_arma> I'm biased, better get another point from someone else.  I'm stuck on space travel.  :)
08:06 <DrJoeTron> well space travel is very good
08:06 <Lucifer_arma> I think something that will play a role is the downfall of American power
08:06 <DrJoeTron> but i need 2 more paragraphs
08:06 <DrJoeTron> its that crappy 5 paragraph essay
08:07 <Lucifer_arma> I think US power has peaked and the republic has already dissolved into something monstrous
08:07 <GodTodd> the 1-3-1 form?
08:07 <Lucifer_arma> um, all of my comp 1 essays were 5 paragraph essays :)
08:07 <Lucifer_arma> except the research paper, which was much longer
08:07 <GodTodd> yeah...it's standard
08:07 <GodTodd> that's still in essence the 5 paragraph paper
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> the thing is, I don't know how much US decline will shape the century, nor am I able to predict who will step in to the vacuum there
08:08 <DrJoeTron> GodTodd, yeah
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> I hope it's the EU, but I can't really predict it
08:08 <GodTodd> "tell us what you're going to tell us, then the three main points, then tell us you told us"
08:08 <DrJoeTron> yup
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> heh.  I told my wife that's how you answer an essay question and she refused to believe me
08:08 <GodTodd> that's how i was taught
08:08 <GodTodd> by more than one teacher :)
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> first rewrite the question into a sentence, that's your main sentence, then write 3 sentences to support it, then write it again.
08:09 <GodTodd> yep
08:09 <GodTodd> in a different way
08:10 <GodTodd> i remember my comp2 persuasive paper...i debunked global warming
08:10 <GodTodd> heh
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> I'm starting to support global warming :)
08:10 <GodTodd> nah
08:10 <GodTodd> well...it is a fact...but it's a natural cycle
08:10 <GodTodd> just like global cooling
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> I remember my high school english teacher getting pissed at me for demonstrating Kafka was gay
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> well, here's the thing about global warming
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it's caused by humans, maybe not.  We'll probably know some day
08:11 <DrJoeTron> so climate change
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> but whether it is or isn't, it's happening, and we have to adapt to it
08:11 <GodTodd> it's not, imo
08:11 <DrJoeTron> climate change space travel
08:11 <GodTodd> :)
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> many of those adaptions require us to reduce whatever contribution we've made to it
08:11 <GodTodd> adapt to it, yes...but to try and stop it is futile
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> but what nobody seems to want to talk about is the potential effect those reductions will have
08:12 <GodTodd> exactly
08:12 <GodTodd> don't volcanoes emit cfcs?
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> there's a neat book on the baen free library which tells a good sci fi story in the context of a world where the effect those reductions had were to plunge us into an overdue ice age
08:12 <DrJoeTron> yes
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> which was even more disastrous than global warming's worst scenario!
08:12 <DrJoeTron> but us doing it doesnt help
08:13 <DrJoeTron> i dont believe in global warming
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> well, I think if it's us doing it, it does help, because that means we have some control oer the environment
08:13 <GodTodd> the environment will kick our asses everytime
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> and if we exercise that control judiciously and responsibly, and make sure to shepherd our resources, we can make this planet a really nice place
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> all it really means is that I'm currently on the side of the environmentalists :)
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> I don't necessarily agree with them, and many of them are also raving save-the-furry-creatures loony
08:14 <GodTodd> i can see moderating our emmissions...which i'm all for....but the extreme environmentalists are misguided
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> well, it just doesn't make sense to pump up billions of tons of carbon from the ground and process it into known toxic chemicals and just dump that into the atmosphere
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> just like you don't shit on your dinner plate
08:15 <DrJoeTron> <--needs a 3rd topic
08:15 <GodTodd> for instance...taken in a small picture context...temperatures here are currently below normal...should i run out spraying aerosols?
08:16 <DrJoeTron> no
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> I think the EU is going to be a big part of the 21st century
08:16 <DrJoeTron> EU?
08:16 <GodTodd> european union
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> well, global warming predicts more extreme weather, not just warmer weather
08:16 <DrJoeTron> ah
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, European Union.  I think they're going to get a constitution early in the 21st century
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> they're already a growing economic power
08:17 <GodTodd> if they can truly work together....they'll take our place as #1 superpower
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> no longer a series of small states, the EU is a larger united power
08:17 <DrJoeTron> how about betamax :V
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> well, to be honest I see either fierce competition between the US and EU over space exploration, ala the competition between Britain and Spain/France in the New World
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> or I see WW3 finally, and there isn't a strong nuclear exchange in it
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> mostly conventional weapons
08:18 <GodTodd> i just don't want another friggin cold war
08:18 <GodTodd> wasn't it einstein who said that ww3 would be fought with "sticks and stones"?
08:19 <Lucifer_arma> it was something like "I do not know with what weapons world war 3 will be fought, but world war 4 will be fought with sticks and stones"
08:19 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know.  I think the kids that grew up during the cold war seem to be smarter than the kids that have grown up since.
08:19 <GodTodd> i thought it was ww3
08:20 <GodTodd> probably a product of the international competition....i bet more of our generation know chess than kids since
08:20 <DrJoeTron> i think the baby boomers need to be retired faster
08:21 <GodTodd> bah...it is ww4 :/
08:21 <GodTodd> "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
08:21 <GodTodd> Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> they need to get old enough to retire first
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> my mom's pre-baby boomer and she still hasn't reached retirement age
08:23  * Lucifer_arma notes for reference that the baby boomers were born in the late 40s and early 50s
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> in any case, I think there's a possibility the EU will dissolve into a war instead of completing the union, but I'm optimistic
08:24 <GodTodd> Baby Boomers
08:24 <GodTodd> 1946–1964
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> wow, all the way into the 60s?
08:25 <GodTodd> yeah
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> I was born in 1974...
08:25 <GodTodd> In the United States, the term is iconic and more properly capitalized as Baby Boomers and commonly applied to people with birth years after World War II (WW II) and before the Vietnam War, thus possibly comprising more than one generation.
08:25 <DrJoeTron> my parents are baby boomers
08:25 <GodTodd> yeah..we're generation x :/
08:26 <GodTodd> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_boomer
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> we're the loser generation
08:26 <GodTodd> well...we're gen x and the mtv generation
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> I think Dave Mustaine summed up our generation pretty well.  "We are the damned of all the world etc etc"
08:26 <GodTodd> 1963-1978 and 1975-1984
08:26 <GodTodd> errr...you're just x
08:27 <GodTodd> :)
08:27 <DrJoeTron> generation y here
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> Nov 1974 lumps me in with the 1975 brats
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> same grade, you know
08:27 <GodTodd> 85 or 86, joe?
08:27 <DrJoeTron> and boomerang
08:27 <DrJoeTron> 86
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> my wife's 1980 :)
08:27 <DrJoeTron> i made the cut off
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> damn kid
08:27 <GodTodd> she's culture wars then too :)
08:28 <GodTodd> new silent generation...wtf does that mean?
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> young enough not to have experienced the cold war in a direct fashion, but old enough not to be dumb like (sorry joe) most of the kids out there
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> not saying joe's dumb, he's just in the age range I'm talking about :)
08:29 <GodTodd> The term is a reflection of Howe's and Strauss's theory that the characteristics of American generations are cyclical, and the generation currently being born will share characteristics with the Silent Generation, born in the span of years between 1925 and 1945.
08:29 <GodTodd> that's interesting in a metaphysical sense
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> scary
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> it means my daughter's going to grow up to be my mom
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> no, her names' not Antigone
08:30 <GodTodd> well...i believe in reincarnation...whether anyone thinks it's sane or not :)
08:31 <GodTodd> heh that shut everyone up
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> joe probably went off to write his paper
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> I'll bet it's due tomorrow
08:31 <GodTodd> sounded kinda like it
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> The exact demographic boundaries of Generation X are not well defined: persons born between 1963-1975 are generally considered "Gen X'ers", while others use the term to describe anyone who was a twentysomething sometime during the 1990's.
08:33 <GodTodd> yeah...we're the slackers
08:34 <DrJoeTron> way to slack
08:35 <GodTodd> yet...us slackers are in school while out of a sample of two 20-21 y/o's only one is furthering their education
08:35 <GodTodd> heh
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> Or like one Gen-Xer summarized it: Baby Boomers had sex, drugs and rock-and-roll. We got HIV, neo-conservativism and new wave
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> here?
08:35 <GodTodd> here?
08:35 <GodTodd> the sample?
08:35 <GodTodd> yeah
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> lot more school kids than that, I think
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
08:36 <GodTodd> yeah...but that's the thing with stats....the stat maker chooses the sample :P
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> you might actually be right :)
08:36 <GodTodd> personally...even if i use my trig class as a sample
08:37 <GodTodd> started with 36...ending with 8
08:37 <GodTodd> all that's left are the older people
08:38 <GodTodd> i think we just grew up with "hippies" for parents and so decided to go their way for a while...then we didn't like that after a while and decided slacking wasn't all that great
08:38 <GodTodd> :)
08:38 <Lucifer_arma> Gen X knows that the United States landed on the moon, from reading the history books; but they did not live through it and feel the national pride: it is a "so what".
08:38 <Lucifer_arma> you're nto seriously describing my parents as hippies, I know you aren't
08:38 <DrJoeTron> nostalgia will pave the way!
08:39 <GodTodd> not in particular...but as a generation...
08:39 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I'd say our attitude about the moon landings is less "so what" and more "but that was it, and you promised us more than that, you jerkoffs!"
08:39 <DrJoeTron> who doesnt love nostalgia
08:39 <GodTodd> yeah...that "so what" is what's going to cause us to colonize the damn thing :)
08:39 <Lucifer_arma> actually, my parents are hippies by philosophy, they just chose a more traditional lifestyle, because free choice is a big part of hippy philosophy :)
08:39 <GodTodd> yep
08:40 <GodTodd> there's different extremes of hippy
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> I think we're the Five Guys in Shorts Generation
08:40 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
08:40 <GodTodd> they obviously arent the 'flower child' variety
08:40 <GodTodd> five guys in shorts?
08:41 <GodTodd> bah
08:41 <GodTodd> i'm slow
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> who gives a shit, we do what we like we don't care where we fit
08:41 <GodTodd> yeah yeah
08:41 <GodTodd> i got it
08:41 <GodTodd> :P
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> all you new jacks what is this, you're getting me, get off my dick!
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> *kidding
08:43 <GodTodd> that's 'i'm the man' isn't it?
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> In Iran, they are called the Burnt Generation.
08:43 <GodTodd> been a while since i listened to that album
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> I think Iranians might be smarter than we give them credit for!
08:43 <DrJoeTron> y'know as i think about it
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> um, I'm the Man is a single :)
08:43 <DrJoeTron> us landing on the moon is pretty fucking cool.
08:43 <GodTodd> it's on attack of the killer b's
08:43 <GodTodd> :P
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> "killer b's"
08:43  * Lucifer_arma notes the liner notes even say "this is not the new Anthrax album"
08:44 <GodTodd> i'm using it in a loose way...not a technical way
08:44 <GodTodd> :P
08:44 <GodTodd> sumbitch
08:44 <GodTodd> heh
08:44 <GodTodd> been a while since i listened to that *cd*
08:44 <GodTodd> how's that?
08:45 <GodTodd> DrJoeTron: it'd be even cooler if we took the next step tho
08:45 <DrJoeTron> going into the center of the earth?
08:45 <DrJoeTron> because that would be awesome too
08:45 <GodTodd> no...colonization
08:45 <GodTodd> we've had 35 years or so
08:45 <DrJoeTron> i think that could be bad later
08:46 <DrJoeTron> the colonies will rise up and fight back after earths tyranny
08:46 <DrJoeTron> i've watched anime before
08:46 <GodTodd> heh
08:46 <GodTodd> england got over it :)
08:46 <DrJoeTron> yeah but the moon will have giant robots
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> Hostility between Baby Boomers and Generation X increased in the 1980s and 1990s as Gen Xers accused Baby Boomers of hypocrisy and a "greed is good" mentality and Baby Boomers accused Gen Xers of being slackers.
08:47 <GodTodd> hahahah
08:47 <GodTodd> yuppies vs. slackers
08:47 <GodTodd> :)
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> I think we were right
08:47 <DrJoeTron> you ARE right
08:47 <DrJoeTron> :)
08:47 <DrJoeTron> fuck past tense
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> but they were also right, we are slackers :)
08:47 <GodTodd> we can put them in homes soon...of course we're right :)
08:48 <DrJoeTron> i just wrote an epic intro
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> Generation X is also marked by its lack of optimism for the future, nihilism, cynicism and lack of beliefs and trust on basic values. In this sense the Generation X can be called as the first Postmodern generation
08:48 <DrJoeTron> so i should do space travel, climate change
08:48 <GodTodd> joe....it was the best of times, it was the worst of times..that's already taken ;)
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> yep, I can agree with that last part.  I've noticed a rise in common sense and a sink in idiot religions
08:48 <DrJoeTron> i still need a third
08:49 <GodTodd> ender's game
08:49 <GodTodd> that centers around a third
08:49 <GodTodd> :)
08:49 <DrJoeTron> no not a thirdie
08:49 <GodTodd> no...it's just third
08:49 <DrJoeTron> i third topic :p
08:49 <DrJoeTron> no thats how they mocked the thirds
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> say something about Generation Y coming into power with their whiny rock music and wusses-for-metalheads
08:50 <DrJoeTron> "stupid third-ie:
08:50 <GodTodd> heh
08:50 <GodTodd> true
08:50 <DrJoeTron> grunge?
08:51 <DrJoeTron> grunge is amazing compared to what has become of the music we have now
08:51 <DrJoeTron> god i hate the new crap
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> he's already 30
08:51 <GodTodd> who?
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron:
08:51 <DrJoeTron> i am fairly bitter for my age
08:51 <GodTodd> nah...he just plays it in irc
08:51 <GodTodd> ;)
08:51 <DrJoeTron> I KAN PLY LIK A 13 Y O LOL
08:52 <DrJoeTron> DIS IS MY BROS OLD COMP
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> I"ll tell you what, man, what I wouldn't give sometimes for a good, old-fashioned metalhead
08:52 <GodTodd> we're a pretty cynical generation but look at what we grew up with...
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> Crankster Crap?
08:52  * GodTodd is a good old fashioned metalhead.
08:52 <DrJoeTron> Kop Killa
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> Q: Why are community colleges taking in so many new students right now?
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> A: Generation X decided to grow up, finally.
08:53 <GodTodd> that's my belief
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> there are so many 28-34yo kids in my school, it's un-fucking-believable
08:53 <GodTodd> we got sick of slacking and now are determined to shape the world instead of bitching about it
08:53 <DrJoeTron> Fuck it, computers it is
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> Come on, man, Generation X going to school is a Big Deal
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> we're gonna makeover the world
08:54 <GodTodd> gen x will shape the 21st century
08:54 <GodTodd> seriously
08:54 <DrJoeTron> can we pee all over it?
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> we're finally gonna tell our parents to fuck off, and have the retirement home to back us up
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> we're gonna say "You couldn't run your lives, you sure in the hell won't run mine"
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> (where we used to say "you couldn't run your lives, wtf makes you think you can run mine?")
08:55 <GodTodd> heh
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> we really aren't going to take it anymore :)
08:56  * Lucifer_arma considers writing a song "We really aren't going to take it anymore"
08:56  * GodTodd jams to twisted sister in his head.
08:56 <GodTodd> heh
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> record it under the name Sisted Twister :)
08:56 <GodTodd> he fucking sold out too
08:56 <GodTodd> sumbitch
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> ?  last I heard he had a show on a radio station up in Seattle
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> this would be ~3 years ago
08:57 <GodTodd> he's syndicated
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> really?
08:57 <GodTodd> some station here carries it
08:57 <GodTodd> yeah
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> syndicated from seattle :)
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> he does various promotional spots around seattle all the time
08:58 <Lucifer_arma> how the *fuck* can you accuse a hair band of selling out?
08:58 <Lucifer_arma> that's like telling a shark "you ate a fish!"
08:58 <GodTodd> Dee Snider and Debbie Rochon host FANGORIA RADIO, which airs on Sirius Satellite, channel 102, at 10 PM till 1 AM EST every Friday!
08:58 <GodTodd> i can tell anyfuckingone they sold out :P
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> saying that twisted sister sold out is like saying that catholics are dumb
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> it's self-evident
08:59 <GodTodd> well...i know
08:59 <GodTodd> but i can still say it
08:59 <DrJoeTron> bah dup tsss!
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't matter if they sold out or not, we still grew up singing "We're not gonna take it" and "We don't need no education"
09:00 <GodTodd> yep
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> even though our parents tried to stop us from hearing that music
09:00 <GodTodd> i just liked his makeup...that's all
09:00 <DrJoeTron> yeah i bet you did
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> I wanted to see his lips wrapped around my penis
09:00 <GodTodd> i remember my mom getting freaked out when she finally saw the cover for one of my iron maiden albums
09:00 <GodTodd> heh
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> haha
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> my mom thought that Madonna video was something we shouldn't watch
09:01 <GodTodd> eddie doesn't make a good first impression, i guess
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> Like a Prayer
09:01 <GodTodd> like a virgin?
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> no wait
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, Just like a prayer, I wanna take you there!
09:01 <GodTodd> ahhh
09:01 <GodTodd> virgin was worse
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> because it shows her doing weird shit with a knife and real blood
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> the irony is that I got so mad at her for trying to censor me that I went and rocked out with slayer for awhile
09:02 <GodTodd> yeah...slayer is much more wholesome :)
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> the brush of dead, cold flesh appease the (something)
09:02 <GodTodd> appease the need i thikn
09:02 <GodTodd> think*
09:02 <GodTodd> dead skin mask
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> yep
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> I scared my daughter one time by playing that song on my guitar
09:03 <GodTodd> based on the ed gein story
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> she said "Daddy, you're scaring me, play something else!"
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> I wasn't even singing it, just playing the guitar part
09:03 <GodTodd> like king diamond? ;)
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> haha, here's something you'll like
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> we were in my wife's car, and I had climbin' the walls in the cd player
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> my daughter says "I want to hear songs about vampires, that would be cool"
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> so I skipped it up to the appropriate song for her
09:04 <GodTodd> haha
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> a few minutes into it, "Daddy, this song isn't about vampires!"
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> !?
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> so later on, she was in my car (with the other kids), and I had 3d in there
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> and it was playing Spy, and she whispers to her brother "This song is about vampires!"
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> it was night time, so she got really scared
09:05 <GodTodd> heh
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> half way through Gentleman Death she started screaming, she was so scared
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> poor girl.  I skipped to Surrounded by Idiots and she was fine
09:06 <GodTodd> heh
09:06 <Lucifer_arma> at least we know she won't go rushing into the arms of the evil metalheads out of curiosity (like our generation did)
09:07 <GodTodd> i like evil metalheads
09:07 <Lucifer_arma> evil devil-worshipping cat-sacrificing er metalheads
09:07 <DrJoeTron> >:/ i like cats
09:08 <GodTodd> i do too...they taste like chicken
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> Joe, you ever hear waht AC/DC stands for?
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> aha, I'm in Generation XY!
09:16 <Lucifer_arma> yep, I'm reading the list of stuff that makes you Generation XY and saying "That's my childhood!"
09:17 <Lucifer_arma> The Satanic ritual abuse panic throughout the 1980s and up to the mid 1990s, bringing Satanism back into the mass media's eye.
09:20 <GodTodd> yeah...xy sounds like what i remember
09:22 <GodTodd> Those born prior to 1985 can also remember the early stages of the World Wide Web - including the first original chat applications such as ICQ and Yahoo! (one of the pioneering "dotcoms" in the 1990s) along with AltaVista being the first major search engines.
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, then their list of bands are all stuff I didn't like when it came out, preferring to stick with older 80s rock'n'roll and metal
09:23 <GodTodd> yeah...but they're going with the majority
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> but I'd say the satanic ritual abuse panic is a defining part of my life somehow (and actually the source of my AC/DC question)
09:23 <GodTodd> and i think it's safe to say we shunned the majority :)
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> they are, and it's a cusp generation which by definition contains traits from the one before it and the one after it
09:24 <GodTodd> right
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> but I definitely remember as a kid the feeling that there was a satanist behind every tree waiting to do something really mean to you
09:24 <GodTodd> yeah
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> and if you listened to <this music> you'll become one of them!
09:24 <GodTodd> definitely
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> and they were right, and it happened, and I listened to that music, and it has happened
09:25 <GodTodd> i remember motley crue being thought of as satanic
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> I just can't see how they thought it was a bad thing :)
09:25 <GodTodd> i listened to it too and i'm not a satanist :P
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> well, they are.  :)
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> I carry my crucifix under my deathlist, forward my mail to me in hell
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> - Motley Crue
09:26 <GodTodd> i'm far from christian...but not a satanist
09:26 <GodTodd> nothing against satanists however
09:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, I tend to take Anton LaVey's definition for the meaning of the word, which is basically "people that embrace philosophies and behaviors that are considered sinful to fundamentalist whackjobs like luke-jr (hi there!) )
09:29 <GodTodd> hmmm...by that definition i'm satanic then
09:29 <GodTodd> heh
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> yep :)
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> and so is everything worthwhile, and nothing that is not worthwhile
09:30 <Lucifer_arma> it's a really nice way of looking at the world, I think
09:30 <GodTodd> but i don't believe in satan as an entity, however
09:30 <Lucifer_arma> and you don't have to join the Church of Satan to do it
09:30 <Lucifer_arma> neither does he.  Satan in the satanic bible is explicitly not an anthropomorphic being, light energy, or anything like that
09:30 <Lucifer_arma> Satan is a fictional character who represents a very real and human way of life
09:30 <GodTodd> i do believe in a higher power, tho
09:31 <Lucifer_arma> aha, well, sorry :)
09:31 <GodTodd> :)
09:31 <Lucifer_arma> you might be right, but I think I like life better when I think I control it
09:31 <GodTodd> higher power != no control
09:31 <GodTodd> outside of christianity anyway
09:32 <Lucifer_arma> Other terms that have been used in conjunction with this generation include:
09:32 <Lucifer_arma> # Loli-boomers[6]
09:32 <GodTodd> my higher power is more of a "hands off" higher power
09:32 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron is a loliboomer
09:32 <DrJoeTron> lolita?
09:33 <DrJoeTron> D: don't compare me to jerk wads, jerk wad.
09:33 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IGeneration  <--- real, honest citation
09:33 <Lucifer_arma> loli-boomer
09:33 <GodTodd> joe is in the same generation as luke
09:33 <GodTodd> :D
09:33 <Lucifer_arma> luke's a loli-boomer too
09:34 <Lucifer_arma> but my wife thankfully is not
09:35 <GodTodd> ahhh that's from the new hippie movement
09:36 <GodTodd> The term comes from the first two letters of the words 'love' and 'light', a greeting or sign-off used by the emerging multitude of green, spiritual and holistically-minded people, hence the loli-boomers.
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> no way
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> it comes from lol
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> it has to
09:36 <GodTodd> nope
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> that's the only way I can use it to tease joe
09:37 <GodTodd> heh
09:37 <GodTodd> how about "sucking a lollypop" therefore loliboomers suck
09:37 <GodTodd> ?
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> but I like how my wife sucks a lollipop
09:38 <DrJoeTron> does she just bite it?
09:38 <DrJoeTron> i bet she bites it
09:38 <DrJoeTron> is she a biter?
09:38 <GodTodd> nah...no teeth
09:38 <GodTodd> :)
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> she licks it and does all this crazy shit with it, then bites it in half
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> it's awesome because someone usually watches her with a woody
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> (not me, I've seen it too many times)
09:39 <DrJoeTron> you used to say the same about me :(
09:39 <GodTodd> you still give me a woody, joe
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> yeah joe, I've got an entire tree just for you
09:40 <GodTodd> i have the whole fuckin forest
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> mine's a rain forest
09:45 <GodTodd> mines a redwood forest
09:46 <GodTodd> joe's masturbating thinking of our dicks, you know
09:52 <DrJoeTron> im that easy to read these days arent i.
09:57 <GodTodd> yep
10:00 <DrJoeTron> god im typing so slow
10:02 <DrJoeTron> you know computers really are going to shape the 21st century
10:02 <DrJoeTron> and im not just saying PC's
10:02 <DrJoeTron> i totally agree with them being peaked,
10:02 <DrJoeTron> but lets face it, we're lazy
10:02 <DrJoeTron> we always want something to do something to do our meaningless tasks for us.
10:03 <DrJoeTron> sorry, my record skipped
10:05 <Lucifer_arma> you don't have kids yet, do you?
10:06 <DrJoeTron> nope
10:06 <DrJoeTron> im probably going to adopt when i consider having kids.
10:06 <DrJoeTron> my genes are far to recessive to be spread.
10:07 <Lucifer_arma> Moltke's famous statement that "No campaign plan survives first contact with the enemy" i
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> is that a fancy way of saying "I haven't had much luck getting laid"?
10:09 <DrJoeTron> at least oscilloscope is fixed
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> "No one starts a war--or rather, no one in his senses ought to do so--without first being clear in his mind what he intends to achieve by that war and how he intends to conduct it."
10:10 <DrJoeTron> i dont know if the world could handle two of him roaming the world.
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> I'm fixed, too
10:10 <DrJoeTron> yeah but you already planted your seeds of evil
10:10 <DrJoeTron> he hasn't
10:10 <GodTodd> i'm still broken
10:10 <GodTodd> heh
10:10 <DrJoeTron> you know im looking at my paper
10:11 <DrJoeTron> and the first paragraph could very well be my essay.
10:11 <DrJoeTron> i think i wil..
10:11 <DrJoeTron> haha
10:11 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.clausewitz.com/CWZHOME/VomKriege2/ONWARTOC2.HTML
10:13 <Lucifer_arma> Now, philanthropists may easily imagine there is a skilful method of disarming and overcoming an enemy without causing great bloodshed, and that this is the proper tendency of the art of War. However plausible this may appear, still it is an error which must be extirpated; for in such dangerous things as war, the errors which proceed from a spirit of benevolence are just the worst.
10:27 <DrJoeTron> HAI LUCI CAN U HALP ME SET UP A SERVER? OR R U GHEY?
10:45 <DrJoeTron> thats it, im ripping the insert key out of the keyboard
10:54 <Lucifer_arma> don't do it, joe!
11:03 <DrJoeTron> :(
11:17 <Lucifer_arma> anyone want to play scorched3d?
11:38 <spidey> ..
11:41 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: bind it to something useful
11:41  * wrtlprnft is doing the same with capslock
11:42 <DrJoeTron> i popped out the caps lock button
11:43 <wrtlprnft> what a waste
11:44 <wrtlprnft> it's a big key right next to your fingers. Give it a real use!
11:49 <DrJoeTron> i'd give it a horrible use
11:49 <DrJoeTron> so this is better
11:51 <spidey> #last --with spidey --nolimit
11:51 <armabot> spidey: [06:46:12] <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: it broke spidey's sound, [06:42:49] <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: spidey (hi there!) I figured out why scorched3d didn't work for me, and I fixed it :), [04:19:54] <ghableska> spidey, spidey, [23:59:19] <luke-jr_work> spidey: PM, [23:48:48] <luke-jr_work> spidey: there is no 2.8.2.1, [22:35:16] <GodTodd> spidey sux, [22:15:24] <Durka> why is spidey op?, [21:44:22] * guru3 slaps (9 more messages)
11:53 <spidey> DrJoeTron, wrtlprnft ping
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> #last --with idiot --nolimit
11:55 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: [09:08:15] <Lucifer_arma> poor girl.  I skipped to Surrounded by Idiots and she was fine, [08:51:39] <Lucifer_arma> yep, I can agree with that last part.  I've noticed a rise in common sense and a sink in idiot religions, [07:48:28] <Lucifer_arma> because he's a raving idiot christian, just like you?, [05:24:17] <GodTodd> i've found people tend to act like idiots anyway, [05:23:51] <mkzelda> and made (2 more messages)
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> #more
11:55 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: people act like idiots b/c its tv, [05:05:19] <mkzelda> and everyone around here acted like idiots b/c tv crews were around, [20:36:35] <wrtlprnft> Only idiots write in color all the time!, [01:30:46] <Lucifer_arma> and as idiot catholic adults tend to put it, "Do it my way or go to hell, it's your choice!", which we know damn well is no choice, [01:30:23] <Lucifer_arma> but it could also hide (1 more message)
11:55 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, www.fallin-angels.com/phpBB2 that load for you?
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> don't know
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> #more
11:55 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: the fact that they were ordered to by some idiot catholic adult, [00:33:23] <Lucifer_arma> yeah, they let gay people get married there.  The idiot governor's trying to get it reversed somehow by doing an end-run around the people, and [22:30:52] <Lucifer_arma> so?  idiot has the word luke in it, what's your point?
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> heh
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> hang on
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> yep
11:56 <spidey> gay
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> where were you when I was ready to play scorched3d?  :)
11:56  * Lucifer_arma fixed it, it was Xgl.
11:56 <spidey> ugh
11:56 <spidey> no
11:56 <spidey> it crashes my vid drivers, remember?
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> you didn't fix that?  :/
11:57 <spidey> ...
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> does it do it in windowed mode?
11:57 <spidey> dunno
11:57 <spidey> but i hate rebooting so i'm not gonna try :p
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> heh
11:58 <Lucifer_arma> so your gaming platform is having trouble with a really cool-looking game.....
11:58 <DrJoeTron> pong
11:58 <Lucifer_arma> ping
11:58 <DrJoeTron> whatcha need spidey
11:58 <Lucifer_arma> #pang
11:58 <spidey> pong
11:58 <spidey> OMG YOU MISSED THE BALL!
11:58 <spidey> DrJoeTron, nvm luci checked
11:58 <spidey> for some reason i can't load forums
11:59 <spidey> everything else seems to load
11:59 <spidey> just not any forums
11:59 <DrJoeTron> dell makes crappy computers
11:59 <spidey> ....
11:59 <spidey> stfu
11:59 <Lucifer_arma> speaking of computers, did you send that one yet?
11:59 <spidey> ?
11:59 <DrJoeTron> no, i'm sorry :/
12:00 <DrJoeTron> i actually lost half of the case
12:00 <DrJoeTron> its somewhere
12:00 <DrJoeTron> i just need to clean this place up
12:00 <DrJoeTron> maybe i'll send it as a christmas present :D
12:03 <spidey> i want a xmas present too
12:05 <DrJoeTron> ok
12:05 <DrJoeTron> i'll send you a blank cd-r
12:05 <spidey> lol
12:05 <spidey> grrr
12:05 <spidey> brb i'ma reboot
12:06 <spidey> first
12:06 <DrJoeTron> and an insert button
12:06 <spidey> just for luci i'ma see if scorthced does whatever
12:06 <DrJoeTron> i need to redownload scorch3d
12:06 <DrJoeTron> no no
12:06 <DrJoeTron> i need to type my paper first
12:07 <spidey> ...
12:07 <spidey> it loaded
12:07 <spidey> o.o
12:08 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm going to bed, so finish your paper
12:08 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, how do i shoot? ;x
12:08 <Lucifer_arma> -/= are power
12:09 <Lucifer_arma> arrow keys turn it and raise/lower, with airplane controls
12:09 <Lucifer_arma> space bar fires
12:09 <Lucifer_arma> 0-9 are different camera views
12:10 <DrJoeTron> i should be able to play tomorrow
12:10 <DrJoeTron> ern
12:10 <DrJoeTron> today.
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12:14 <Lucifer_arma> whenever is fine, it's just a game.  :)  I'm going to bed for real now
12:14 <Lucifer_arma> #night
12:14 <armabot> Good night Lucifer_arma!
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12:23 <spidey> DrJoeTron, http://flyff.gpotato.com/
12:23 <DrJoeTron> im shoving you down the stairs
12:23 <spidey> ?
12:23 <DrJoeTron> you can't be serious
12:24 <spidey> ...
12:24 <spidey> http://game.ijji.com/download.nhn?m=arcade&gameId=u_gunz
12:24 <DrJoeTron> oh god
12:24 <DrJoeTron> die!
12:24 <DrJoeTron> oh wow ijji bought gunz too?
12:24 <DrJoeTron> i thought it was just gunbound
12:24 <spidey> ?
12:24 <DrJoeTron> fuck gunz
12:25 <DrJoeTron> if you like playing with bickering 14 year old otaku's
12:25 <DrJoeTron> or liked Oni for some reason
12:25 <DrJoeTron> that game was bad
12:26 <spidey> heh
12:28 <DrJoeTron> most of these games you are finding i played years ago :p
12:28 <DrJoeTron> and quit playing for valid reasons
12:28 <DrJoeTron> the only game im still playing is armagetron from durring my "oh cool FREE GAMES LOL" years.
12:33 <spidey> well
12:33 <spidey> i'ma go play americasarmy
12:33 <spidey> cause i'm getting good at it >.>
12:48 <DrJoeTron> have fun play crap
12:48 <DrJoeTron> :D
13:06 <spidey> ..
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16:15 <spidey> DrJoeTron, ping
16:15 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6476 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tDirectories.cpp tSysTime.cpp): Added inclusion of unistd.h where it was needed.
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18:46 <deja_vu> *.*
18:46 <deja_vu> finally
18:46 <deja_vu> internet at home *.*
18:55 <spidey> deja_vu,
18:56 <DrJoeTron> spidey pong?
18:57 <deja_vu> spidey:
18:57 <deja_vu> spidey ping!
19:03 <spidey> deja_vu, deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu
19:03 <spidey> deja_vu, deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu
19:03 <spidey> DrJoeTron, http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/6463/desktoprd4.gif
19:04 <spidey> :D
19:04 <DrJoeTron> vista?
19:04 <spidey> nah
19:05 <DrJoeTron> and you wonder why your computer cant handle americas army
19:05 <spidey> ...
19:05 <DrJoeTron> with a gui i like that
19:05 <spidey> my computer can
19:05 <spidey> noob
19:05 <DrJoeTron> no I*
19:05 <spidey> i run 22fps on the old maps
19:05 <DrJoeTron> noob?
19:05 <spidey> 7-8fps on the new ones
19:05 <spidey> but it still runs smoothly
19:05 <DrJoeTron> you suck spidey
19:05 <DrJoeTron> on many levels
19:06 <DrJoeTron> thats because AA sucks
19:06 <spidey> you suck
19:06 <spidey> with this skin i haven't noticed a change in performance
19:07 <spidey> maybe your computer can't handle it...but mine can :p
19:07 <DrJoeTron> my shitty dell couldnt
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19:07 <wrtlprnft> i love those black boxes around the desktop icons' texts
19:07 <spidey> ?
19:07 <spidey> i could disable that
19:07 <spidey> it's a option :p
19:08 <DrJoeTron> ahahaha
19:08 <wrtlprnft> still looks even more ugly than the rest :P
19:08 <DrJoeTron> i just use classic mode with an mspaint backround i drew
19:12 <DrJoeTron> nappy time
19:12 <spidey> lol
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20:38 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6477 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/build_codeblocks/makedist.bat:
20:38 <armabot> armagetronad: Corrected winlibs path. I'm always using makedist.bat from the build_visualc
20:38 <armabot> armagetronad: directory, so I don't know whether this change is enough, the two versions are a
20:38 <armabot> armagetronad: bit out of sync. But Pig said the change was all that was required.
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21:11 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/manta/fortress/quasar-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by manta
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21:25 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
21:25 <armabot> Vanhayes: ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (9 players) || Tigers Network Speed Blast (8 players) || ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (8 players) || Strawberry Fields (7 players) || Chico's Brake Boost Styball (7 players) || Stormcrow's Tower (7 players) || -=|LoD|=- Sumo Temporary Server (7 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (6 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (6 players) || Shrunkland in (1 more message)
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22:03 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/kyle/nano/fortress/nano_sumo_box-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by kyle
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23:21 <Vanhayes> hello ghableska
23:21 <ghableska> hey Vanhayes
23:21 <ghableska> #weather 50265
23:21 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 37.4°F (3:54 PM CST on December 08, 2006). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 12.2°F. Windchill: 28.4°F. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024 hPa.
23:25 <wrtlprnft> hi
23:25 <ghableska> hi wrtlprnft
23:26  * Lucifer_arma rubs his eyes and yawns
23:27 <ghableska> hello Lucifer_arma
23:27 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: what's your internal time of the day?
23:28 <wrtlprnft> you don't seem to be too attached to the sun time
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> morning?
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> it gets really bad in the winter.  :/
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> in 4-5 hours I can probably go to bed for another 12
23:28 <wrtlprnft> o_O
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> if I lived in Alaska, I'd probably have 1 or 2 days a year
23:29 <wrtlprnft> 2?
23:29 <wrtlprnft> how would you get that?
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> maybe 3.  :)  The point being that I'd hibernate all winter and be awake all summer
23:31 <wrtlprnft> take one big breakfast in spring, lunch in the middle of summer and supper in fall?
23:31 <wrtlprnft> not healthy.
23:31 <ghableska>  heh
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> well, I do kinda have practical reasons for wanting to live either in an island in the Caribbean, or on the moon
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23:49 <ghableska> hi mom
23:49 <Your_mom_arma> hi
23:50 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma greet("hi") print
23:50 <wrtlprnft> err, too much io
23:51 <Vanhayes> hmm, How big would an island have to be for it to be considered a country?
23:51 <ghableska> why?
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23:52 <Vanhayes> my goal in life is to create my own country
23:52 <Your_mom_arma> haha
23:52 <luke-jr_work> what's a good computer name for a DMZ?
23:52 <DrJoeTron> does Your_mom_arma knowa bout scorch3d?
23:52 <Your_mom_arma> hmm?
23:52 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: it has to big enough so you a) fit on it, b) can sustain yourself, c) won't get flooded away
23:53 <Vanhayes> I want it to be legit too, not just my calling an island my country
23:53 <DrJoeTron> lucifer wants to start playing a 3d version of scorched earth
23:53 <Your_mom_arma> link?
23:53 <Vanhayes> ah that would probly cost alot
23:53 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_work: echo "HOSTNAME='crackme'" > /etc/conf.d/hostname
23:54 <Lucifer_arma> all you have to do is declare your independence, establish a government, and get UN recognition
23:54  * Lucifer_arma notes the Vatican isn't very big, but is its own country
23:54 <Lucifer_arma> several cities, as well.  Monaco?
23:54 <DrJoeTron> http://www.scorched3d.co.uk/
23:54 <wrtlprnft> yep
23:54 <wrtlprnft> san marino
23:54 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: good idea
23:54 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.scorched3d.co.uk/
23:55 <luke-jr_work> HOSTNAME="independence"
23:55 <Vanhayes> true, I think id have to find people willing to move to my island first, I doubt the UN would recognize me as a country if it was only me on the island
23:55 <Lucifer_arma> they wouldn't waste the time, but you could try to get the US to recognize you, although they might want basing rights
23:55 <wrtlprnft> you'd have to find your island first
23:55 <Your_mom_arma> i think i playedan atari version of that joe
23:56 <DrJoeTron> i played the dos versin
23:56 <DrJoeTron> and gunbound
23:56 <DrJoeTron> and worms
23:56 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't see it until Scorched3d :)
23:57 <Lucifer_arma> it's a pretty neat game, though.  Does take some work to get aimed and stuff
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> some of the shots are pretty tough, too.  I played as some gun that got stuck on the side of a steep hill and to hit my enemy I had to shoot over the hill
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> of course, if you shoot straight up, you hit yourself
23:59 <Your_mom_arma> you both have it already?
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> yeah....  :)
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> we were gonna play it a couple of nights ago but it wasn't working on my machine, and spidey was having problems with it
23:59 <Vanhayes> so its worth the download?
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> but I fixed it last night, but joe was working on a paper
23:59 <DrJoeTron> im playing as bender :D
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it's worth the download :)

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