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Log from 2006-11-15:
--- Day changed Wed Nov 15 2006
00:00 <madmax|pt> ah
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00:04 <wrtlprnft> wtf
00:04 <wrtlprnft> #ping
00:04 <armabot> pong
00:05 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_work: did you do anything?
00:05 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft, ?
00:05 <luke-jr_work> no?
00:06 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6277 /armagetronad/branches/lua/armagetronad/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Added a lua eval chat command that doesn't really work yet.
00:09 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_work: nvm
00:09 <luke-jr_work> O.o
00:09 <madmax|pt> i guess you guys left
00:10 <madmax|pt> lol
00:10 <wrtlprnft> it just hung for me, but turns out that it didn't for anyone else
00:10 <luke-jr_work> lol
00:10 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_work: well, host all you want now :)
00:10 <luke-jr_work> really?
00:10  * luke-jr_work boots up 200 servers
00:10 <luke-jr_work> ...in qemu
00:10 <luke-jr_work> lol
00:11 <wrtlprnft> right, need to get rid of qemu and that old gcc
00:11 <luke-jr_work> why
00:11 <luke-jr_work> might be useful
00:11 <wrtlprnft> it works now…
00:11 <wrtlprnft> and, f***
00:11 <wrtlprnft> i forgot to switch my profile back
00:12 <luke-jr_work> X_X
00:13 <wrtlprnft> well, wasn't a lot
00:13 <luke-jr_work> heh
00:13 <wrtlprnft> will do emerge -e world some time soon, anyways
00:16 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_work: what SWIG does arma need?
00:17 <luke-jr_work> .19
00:17 <wrtlprnft> SWIG, ruby, boost, bison, missing any?
00:17 <luke-jr_work> or so configure says
00:17 <luke-jr_work> dunno
00:17 <luke-jr_work> emerge layman
00:17 <luke-jr_work> =p
00:17 <luke-jr_work> emerge kde-meta
00:17 <luke-jr_work> :o
00:18 <luke-jr_work> cd /usr/portage; for p in */*; do emerge "$p"; done
00:18 <luke-jr_work> :O
00:18 <wrtlprnft> kde-meta?!
00:18 <wrtlprnft> you're ok
00:18 <wrtlprnft> layman will need to be installed some time, alone for moreutils
00:20 <wrtlprnft> ok, it's all emerging and updating, unless something goes wrong (which it shouldn't on a clean install) you'll have it soon
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00:29 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:29 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:30 <madmax|pt> gnight
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00:35  * spidey yawns
00:35 <Vanhayes> spidey: how many tracks did you_mom make for tm?
00:35 <spidey> 3
00:36 <spidey> i like the second one the best
00:36 <Vanhayes> which ones that?
00:36 <Vanhayes> the big dome thing?
00:36 <spidey> the one where you start off going up that big ramp
00:37 <Vanhayes> heh I got a new record on one of them
00:37 <spidey> o.O
00:39 <Vanhayes> the double loop one is really hard
00:39 <spidey> that big circle one?
00:40 <spidey> mom makes evil tracks >.>
00:43 <Vanhayes> nah, the double double loop one
00:43 <Vanhayes> mom does make evil tracks tho
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01:29 <Luke-Jr> imma moving
01:30 <Luke-Jr> so aabeta and such are down
01:48 <GodTodd> Luke-Jr: is aabeta down?
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02:53 <ghableska> #weather 50265
02:53 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 42.8°F (7:25 PM CST on November 14, 2006). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 37.4°F. Windchill: 35.6°F. Pressure: 29.75 in 1007 hPa. 
02:53 <ghableska> oh btw Your_mom_arma: nice map
02:55 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6278 /private/Lucifer/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 0.3.1 planner file
02:56 <Vanhayes> heh, those maps are intense
02:57 <ghableska> yeah
03:00 <Vanhayes> I still havent got the double double loop
03:00 <ghableska> haha, neither have I
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03:12 <gregf> where can i read up on how to setup my server up in deathmatch mode. Just played on one and loved it.
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03:17 <gregf> found it in the wiki
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03:28 <Luke-Jr> GodTodd: are you blind?
03:28 <GodTodd> no
03:28 <Luke-Jr> [00:30] <Luke-Jr> imma moving
03:28 <Luke-Jr> [00:30] <Luke-Jr> so aabeta and such are down
03:28 <Luke-Jr> [00:48] <GodTodd> Luke-Jr: is aabeta down?
03:29 <GodTodd> and?
03:29 <Luke-Jr> ...
03:29 <Luke-Jr> and it's a dumb question
03:29 <GodTodd> it's called a joke
03:29 <Luke-Jr> o
03:29 <Luke-Jr> lack of ":p"
03:29 <Luke-Jr> =p
03:29 <spidey> Luke-Jr, is aabeta down?
03:29 <GodTodd> look it up sometime before calling someone's intelligence into question
03:30  * Luke-Jr stabs spidey 
03:30 <GodTodd> i could just as well say that the inability to see a joke for what it is is dumb
03:30 <spidey> lol
03:30 <ghableska> spidey
03:30 <spidey> Your_mom_arma, make some more maps =p
03:30 <spidey> ghableska, 
03:31 <ghableska> I fixed my profile :P
03:31 <ghableska> and I made half a map
03:31 <spidey> lol
03:31 <GodTodd> Luke-Jr: from now on, i will run my jokes by you and see if they are funny enough before typing them...would that be better?
03:31 <Luke-Jr> =p
03:31 <ghableska> you fall off  and land on top of the stadiu,
03:31 <ghableska> *stadium
03:32 <spidey> haha
03:32 <ghableska> hmm
03:32 <GodTodd> =p == yes or =p == no?
03:32 <ghableska> maybe I should have part of the track on the roof
03:32 <ghableska> spidey: once I finished a map, how would I send it to you?
03:32 <GodTodd> .39 cent stamp?
03:33 <GodTodd> oh...wait...i forgot my screener
03:33 <GodTodd> oops
03:33 <Luke-Jr> .32 cent
03:33 <Luke-Jr> or at least that's what the post office gave us an order form for last week
03:34 <GodTodd> it's .39
03:35 <Luke-Jr> the post office wants me to order .32 tho!
03:35  * GodTodd notes that if he can't make "dumb jokes" neither can Luke-Jr.
03:35 <spidey> ghableska, upload it somewhere?
03:36 <ghableska> where? :P
03:36 <spidey> ..
03:37 <GodTodd> ghableska: the internet...geez need a handholder? ;)
03:37 <ghableska> the internet?
03:37 <ghableska> what's that? :P
03:37 <spidey> yes
03:37 <ghableska> is it that thing...?
03:37 <spidey> upload it to the internet
03:37 <spidey> no
03:37 <spidey> the other thing
03:37 <GodTodd> the internet...that thing al gore made
03:37 <ghableska> damn, I had never thought of that
03:37 <ghableska> ah, that's better
03:37 <ghableska> I know what it is.
03:38 <Luke-Jr> ghableska: upload it to hachi
03:38 <Luke-Jr> duh
03:38 <Luke-Jr> where else do maps go
03:38 <Luke-Jr> =p
03:39 <spidey> Luke-Jr, not aa maps stupid
03:39 <GodTodd> for trackmania?
03:39 <Vanhayes> heh I made a couple of those
03:39  * GodTodd watches as Luke-Jr tries to make a trackmania repository for aa
03:39 <ghableska> lmao
03:39 <spidey> hahaha
03:39 <spidey> though
03:40 <spidey> Luke-Jr, you could consider trackmania server hosting
03:40 <ghableska> ;)
03:40 <spidey> it's really bandwith and resource efficent
03:40 <Vanhayes> one is allright the other is a huge spiral that takes over 5 minutes to get down if you actually follow the track
03:40 <spidey> i'm running it, 10 people it doesn't lag
03:40 <spidey> could probably do more
03:40 <spidey> plus, it only uses like 0-13% of my 2.2ghz processor and 5mb ram
03:41 <ghableska> wow
03:41 <Luke-Jr> wtf is trackmania
03:41 <spidey> a car game
03:42 <Luke-Jr> ...
03:42 <spidey> that doesn't have a *nix client
03:42 <spidey> =p
03:42 <Vanhayes> with tracks
03:42 <Luke-Jr> luke-jr@tsurukikun xchatlogs $ esearch trackma
03:42 <Luke-Jr> [ Results for search key : trackma ]
03:42 <Luke-Jr> [ Applications found : 0 ]
03:42 <spidey> ??
03:42 <spidey> http://trackmanianations.com
03:42 <Vanhayes> #google trackmania nations
03:42 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.12 seconds: TrackMania Nations: <http://www.trackmanianations.com/>; TrackmaniaNations.com: <http://www.trackmanianations.com/indexUk.php>; Full Games: TrackMania Nations Free Full Game - Demo Movie Patch ...: <http://www.gamershell.com/download_12354.shtml>; Game Movies: TrackMania Nations Trailer - Demo Movie Patch ...: <http://www.gamershell.com/download_12240.shtml>; Home - TMX: (2 more messages)
03:43 <ghableska> Forbidden
03:43 <ghableska> You don't have permission to access / on this server.
03:43 <Luke-Jr> lol
03:43 <ghableska> O_o
03:43 <spidey> lol
03:43 <spidey> https://www.trackmanianations.com/indexUk.php
03:43 <ghableska> :P
03:43 <spidey> i'ma make a map
03:44 <spidey> maybe
03:44 <spidey> Your_mom_arma, 
03:44 <spidey> how did you place that big ram and the other track perfect?
03:44 <spidey> where you land on it?
03:44 <Vanhayes> trial and error?
03:44 <spidey> he
03:44 <spidey> heh
03:45 <Vanhayes> man this spiral track actually laggs quite a bit, i think its too big
03:46 <ghableska> I love the motion blur
03:59 <Your_mom_arma> pong:thanks ghab,van ;spidey, when i get around to it i might; it was kind of a fluke, so i tweaked and did some trial and error till it was consistant
04:00 <ghableska> heh
04:03 <Lucifer_arma> is aabeta down?
04:03 <Lucifer_arma> Luke-Jr: ...
04:07 <Your_mom_arma> is aabeta down Luke-Jr?
04:08 <ghableska> Luke-Jr: aabeta is down
04:14 <Vanhayes> Luke-Jr: I think something is wrong with aabta, it doesnt work for me
04:14 <Vanhayes> maybe its down?
04:14 <Luke-Jr> /part
04:14 <Vanhayes> seriously I think it might be down
04:15 <Luke-Jr> I sure hope you're joking
04:15 <Luke-Jr> or else you get called stupid
04:17 <Vanhayes> Luke-Jr: I sure hope you realized I was joking, or else you Are stupid
04:17 <ghableska> hehe
04:18  * GodTodd reels from a bad hit of dejavu.
04:21 <GodTodd> hrmm...that could have been worded a bit better...
04:21 <GodTodd> :/
04:23 <Vanhayes> heh, ya I heard there is some bad dejavu going around
04:23  * GodTodd reels like a seriously overmatched prizefighter in a heavyweight bout as the massive blow of sudden deja vu hits him. 
04:23 <GodTodd> bit better...
04:23 <ghableska> that was kinda long though
04:24 <GodTodd> true...but more visual :)
04:25 <GodTodd> and at least it wasn't a joke
04:25 <GodTodd> so i'm not dumb
04:25 <GodTodd> ;)
04:26 <Vanhayes> #night
04:26 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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04:27 <spidey> rofl
04:27 <spidey> ghableska, Your_mom_arma joe's gonna hate this map
04:27 <spidey> xD
04:29 <ghableska> lol
04:29 <ghableska> why?
04:30 <spidey> it's got
04:30 <spidey> a mega jump
04:30 <spidey> o.O
04:31 <spidey> well, because there's alot of turns and stuff
04:33 <GodTodd> and joe is the anti-mikey
04:33 <GodTodd> ;)
04:34  * Lucifer_arma never understood the mikey commercials
04:34 <GodTodd> well...as far as i gathered...they were to sell cereal
04:34 <GodTodd> heh
04:34  * Lucifer_arma always thought the kid was saying "he won't eat it, he eats everything!".  Which doesn't make sense.
04:34 <GodTodd> mikey is old now
04:34 <Lucifer_arma> and since mikey was always a fat kid, there was never a reason to question what I was hearing
04:36 <GodTodd> yeah...i can honestly say those commercials never made me want life cereal
04:38 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6129460.stm
04:38 <Lucifer_arma> yes!  I want wireless power!
04:38 <Lucifer_arma> just think of the possibilities.  Instead of plugging into a charger to recharge, you just leave your pants on the floor where you've always left them, ready to be put on again the next day!
04:41 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6148456.stm  <--- no more "fat american" comments allowed from europeans
04:44 <GodTodd> that's what they get for copying us
04:45 <Lucifer_arma> heh
04:45 <Lucifer_arma> think of it as part of my campaign to scare the world by showing them how the US isn't any different than any other place in the world
04:45 <GodTodd> they're not obese yet...but give it time :)
04:45 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, how scary can it be?  In France it's damn near impossible to get elected without some anti-american rhetoric.  What if it turns out that French people and Americans are very similar?
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> Then anti-american rhetoric becomes anti-french rhetoric, and what do you do?
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> I guess they'll have to nuke themselves.
04:47 <GodTodd> then what would *they* call french fries?
04:47 <Your_mom_arma> spidey: ping
04:47 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: did Luke-Jr (hi there!) say whether or not aabeta was down?
04:47 <GodTodd> all i got from him was that it was a stupid question
04:48 <GodTodd> it is tho
04:48 <Lucifer_arma> oh, right, sorry.  Of course aabeta is down.
04:48 <GodTodd> if you seriously need to know
04:48 <Lucifer_arma> It's *always* down!
04:48 <Lucifer_arma> heh, nah, just trying to tease Luke-Jr (hi there!) 
04:48 <GodTodd> luke-jr_> actually, it'd be back up now if I hadn't lost the server on the network
04:57 <spidey> Your_mom_arma, pong
04:57 <spidey> Your_mom_arma, the fuck is the "normal straight" track parts?
04:58 <Your_mom_arma> hmm?
04:58 <spidey> all i can find is the twisty or the bumpy parts
04:58 <spidey> i want a "straight" peice
04:58 <Your_mom_arma> its the first piece available
04:59 <spidey> o.O
04:59 <Your_mom_arma> exit to the top menu and just keep clicking the 1st choice till you get to it
04:59 <ghableska> yay, I have an evil track
05:00 <Your_mom_arma> have spidey load the new maps then lets play
05:01 <spidey> that's not it
05:01 <spidey> that's a mini peice
05:01 <spidey> it doesn't connect after it
05:01 <Your_mom_arma> drag it
05:01 <spidey> ohhhhh
05:02 <spidey> downloading those maps now
05:02 <Your_mom_arma> its like 3 kb how long could it take
05:02 <spidey> i just started =p
05:04 <ghableska> :P
05:04 <ghableska> I haven't managed to beat my map yet, and I'm only a quarter of the way done.
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05:05 <spidey> started
05:06 <ghableska> #night
05:06 <armabot> Good night ghableska!
05:06 <spidey> give it a sec to finish the auth stuff
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05:06 <spidey> er
05:06 <spidey> Your_mom_arma, ping
05:06 <Your_mom_arma> pong
05:06 <spidey> started
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05:14 <GodTodd> finished
05:16 <Lucifer_arma> I think I'm going to learn java now
05:16 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: when you start your java class, let's go head to head with robocode :)
05:16 <GodTodd> sure :)
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> Java just got turned out under the GPL, so I can use it now.  :)
05:21 <GodTodd> yeah i saw that the other day
05:21 <GodTodd> still some of it that isn't but anything sun owns is
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> should be enough to make robocode free
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> and that's all that matters :)
05:21 <GodTodd> definitely
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> who knows?  maybe I'll cram java and go get a local job
05:23 <GodTodd> that's mainly why i'm concentrating on java....they need buttloads of java programmers here
05:23 <GodTodd> that's all karen does
05:24 <GodTodd> well almost all
05:24 <GodTodd> heh
05:25 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
05:25 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Custer & Pleasant Valley, Plano, Texas is 71.2°F (10:25 PM CST on November 14, 2006). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 57.2°F. Pressure: 29.31 in 992.4 hPa.  Wind Advisory in effect until 6 PM CST Wednesday... 
05:26 <GodTodd> up to 50mph winds....blah
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05:45 <Luke-Jr> well, hachi's back
05:45 <Luke-Jr> even if beeping at me
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05:53 <Durka> #hello
05:53 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: "I don't know, " said the voice on the PA, "apathetic || bloody planet, I've no sympathy at all. "
05:53 <Durka> #armaservers
05:53 <armabot> Durka: ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (8 players) || Wild West - Fortress (7 players) || ~"XzL.Clan The Server (6 players) || Norm's Place (6 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (6 players) || The Lobster Cage (5 players) || MicroBusCity.com (5 players) || Strawberry Fields (5 players) || *Super* *Duck* *Nano* *Fortress* !!! Multi Maps (3 players) || Swampland in 2.7.1 (3 players) || (1 more message)
05:54 <Durka> #more
05:54 <armabot> Durka: Stormcrow's Tower (2 players) || ++The Beer Garden++ (2 players) || Gamma Deathmatch Server (2 players) || The Electronic Gladiators (1 players) || PIXELPARTY VOICECHAT (0 players)
05:54 <Durka> #thanks
05:54 <Durka> #bye
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06:54 <[NP]Tangent> #confess
06:55 <[NP]Tangent> :(
06:55 <[NP]Tangent> #
06:55 <Luke-Jr> #uberinsult [NP]Tangent 
06:55 <armabot> You're not even the slime in luke-jr_'s buttcrack.
06:55 <Luke-Jr> ...
06:55 <[NP]Tangent> haha
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07:31 <spidey> DrJoeTron, 
07:31 <spidey> i'm making
07:31 <spidey> a map that will piss you off
07:31 <spidey> =p
07:31 <DrJoeTron> poop
07:31 <spidey> it's actually kinda fun
07:31 <spidey> :D
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07:47 <Durka> hi
08:02 <GodTodd> bah...i guess i'll fix that logical error on the morrow...:/
08:02 <spidey> DrJoeTron, 
08:02 <spidey> wanna play my map with me? :D
08:02 <DrJoeTron> gw right now
08:02 <DrJoeTron> i will in a bit
08:03 <spidey> it's like
08:03 <spidey> over a minute long
08:03 <spidey> o.O
08:03 <DrJoeTron> you put check points in right
08:03 <spidey> no need
08:03 <spidey> most of it's in the air
08:03 <spidey> :D
08:03 <spidey> but
08:03 <spidey> i'ma go back and put some
08:03 <spidey> sec
08:07 <spidey> ok
08:07 <spidey> added checkpoints
08:08 <spidey> bronze cup is 2 minutes and 4 seconds
08:08 <spidey> gold is 1 minute 136 seconds
08:08 <spidey> haha
08:08 <GodTodd> so...3 minutes and 16 seconds?
08:08 <GodTodd> :P
08:08 <spidey> mom also made 3 new maps
08:08 <spidey> GodTodd, die
08:08 <spidey> =p
08:08  * spidey becomes Luke-Jr 
08:09 -!- spidey is now known as Luke-Jr___
08:09 <GodTodd> 1:136 == 3:16 :P
08:09 <Luke-Jr___> GodTodd, you are immoral
08:09  * Luke-Jr___ become spidey
08:09 <GodTodd> and?
08:09 -!- Luke-Jr___ is now known as spidey
08:09 <GodTodd> ;)
08:09  * spidey drop kicks GodTodd 
08:09 <spidey> xD
08:09  * GodTodd notes that kicks from a lil spider don't hurt. :P
08:10 <spidey> :(
08:11 <spidey> wow
08:12 <spidey> i love outpost
08:12 <spidey> it's like
08:12 <spidey> adblocker/anti-spyware/firewall all in one
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08:17 <GodTodd> why don't you marry it then? :P
08:18  * spidey mentally ignores GodTodd 
08:18  * Durka sits on spidey
08:18 <spidey> oh gawd
08:18 <spidey> you squashed me
08:19 <spidey> like
08:19 <GodTodd> mentally...are you equipped for that? 
08:19 <GodTodd> ;)
08:19 <spidey> a 2 ton brick
08:19 <spidey> :<
08:19 <spidey> ok monkey boy, this means war
08:19  * Durka sits on spidey
08:20  * Durka farts on spidey
08:20  * spidey turns into a blackwidow and bites everyone
08:20  * Durka shits on spidey
08:20 <spidey> die!!
08:20  * Durka eats spidey
08:20  * Durka shits spidey out of his ass
08:20  * Durka sits on spidey
08:20  * Durka farts on spidey
08:20  * Durka shits on spidey
08:20  * Durka eats spidey
08:20  * Durka shits spidey out of his ass
08:21 <Durka> *Note the repetition*
08:21 <spidey> so your eating your own shit?
08:21 <spidey> gross
08:21 <Durka> ahhh!!!! but ur in it
08:21 <Durka> = delicious!
08:21 <spidey> shit eater
08:21 <Durka> #lastseen spidey
08:21 <armabot> Durka: spidey |mbc| has last been seen on MicroBusCity.com 0 days 4 hours 53 minutes ago.
08:21 -!- spidey is now known as DurkaEatsShit
08:22 -!- Durka is now known as DurkaKilledSpide
08:22 -!- DurkaKilledSpide is now known as DurkaAteSpidey
08:22 <DurkaAteSpidey> so i ate spidey
08:22 <DurkaEatsShit> and your own shit
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08:22 <DurkaAteSpidey> which means spidey is shit???
08:22 <DurkaAteSpidey> lol this is so annoying
08:22 <DurkaAteSpidey> everything is german
08:23 <DurkaEatsShit> ?
08:23 <DurkaAteSpidey> cuz im using the cgi irc thing from my site
08:23 <DurkaAteSpidey> *** spidey hat seinen/ihren namen ge„ndert in DurkaEatsShit
08:23 <DurkaEatsShit> o.O
08:24 <DurkaEatsShit> change it
08:24 <DurkaAteSpidey> but its the fasters and easiest way to get onto irc
08:24 <DurkaAteSpidey> fastest******
08:24 <DurkaAteSpidey> http://durka.freehostia.com/portal.php
08:24 -!- DurkaEatsShit is now known as spidey
08:24 <DurkaAteSpidey> *** DurkaEatsShit hat seinen/ihren namen ge„ndert in spidey
08:24 -!- DurkaAteSpidey is now known as Durka
08:24 -!- Durka is now known as akruD
08:25 <GodTodd> fastest, easiest for me is, oh, i don't know....an irc client...
08:25 <akruD> its easy to connect
08:25 <spidey> lol
08:25 <akruD> just a space for ur name
08:25 <akruD> and a button for login
08:25 <GodTodd> i don't even do that
08:25 <akruD> no password or connecting
08:25 <akruD> floating window
08:25 <GodTodd> i just click on the shortcut and the rest is done automatically
08:25 <akruD> in german
08:25 <DrJoeTron> well i just ripped my lip
08:25 <akruD> lol
08:26 <akruD> i dont have an irc client on my mac
08:26 <GodTodd> why not?
08:26 <akruD> no need
08:26 <akruD> this is extremely easy
08:27 <akruD> and i also have a java one i made
08:27 <akruD> but this is easiest
08:27 <GodTodd> heh
08:27 <akruD> i use AIM and MSN
08:27 -!- akruD is now known as Durka
08:27 <GodTodd> whatever floats your boat
08:27  * Durka this floats my boat
08:27 <Durka> lol bad use of /me
08:28 <Durka> *** akruD hat seinen/ihren namen ge„ndert in Durka
08:28 <Durka> German ):
08:29 <Durka> ;]
08:29 <Durka> #lastseen |-| /-\ >< [] R
08:29 <armabot> Durka: |-| /-\ >< [] R has last been seen on  Wild West - Sumo 0 days 1 hours 32 minutes ago.
08:29 <GodTodd> if it's such a desireable connection method, why do you keep bitching about it?
08:29 <Durka> lol
08:29 <Durka> cuz its in german
08:29 <GodTodd> so?
08:30  * Durka pokes GodTodd
08:30  * Durka gets smacked in the face by GodTodd
08:30  * Durka sits on spidey
08:30 <GodTodd> don't poke me...especially when you don't specify the body part doing the poking.
08:30  * Durka leaves to go play tron
08:30  * Durka pokes GodTodd's belly
08:30 <Durka> happy? xD
08:31 <GodTodd> my belly is doing the poking/
08:31 <GodTodd> ?
08:31 <Durka> lol what ever
08:31 <Durka> peace
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08:31 <GodTodd> valid question
08:31 <GodTodd> dumbass
08:31 <GodTodd> heh
08:33 <spidey> GodTodd, you're starting to act like hayes
08:33 <spidey> =p
08:33 <GodTodd> howso?
08:33 <spidey> playing dumb all the time
08:34 <GodTodd> i'm not playing dumb...i'm talking to the intelligence level of those whom i address
08:34 <GodTodd> ;)
08:45  * Lucifer_arma notes that GAIM supports AIM, MSN, and wouldn't ya know, IRC
08:46  * Lucifer_arma wonders if it runs on shitty computers like Macs
08:57 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig age
08:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: ARMAGETRON_LAST_SCREENMODE: Last screen resolution (default: -1) || ARMAGETRON_LAST_SCREENMODE_H: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 768) || ARMAGETRON_LAST_SCREENMODE_W: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 1024) || ARMAGETRON_LAST_WINDOWSIZE: Last Window size (default: -1) || ARMAGETRON_LAST_WINDOWSIZE_H: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 768) || ARMAGETRON_LAST_WINDOWSIZE_W: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 1024) || ARMAGETRON_SCREENMODE: (4 more messages)
08:57 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig _age
08:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sorry, no matches :S
08:57 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig age
08:57 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig age_
08:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: ARMAGETRON_LAST_SCREENMODE: Last screen resolution (default: -1) || ARMAGETRON_LAST_SCREENMODE_H: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 768) || ARMAGETRON_LAST_SCREENMODE_W: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 1024) || ARMAGETRON_LAST_WINDOWSIZE: Last Window size (default: -1) || ARMAGETRON_LAST_WINDOWSIZE_H: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 768) || ARMAGETRON_LAST_WINDOWSIZE_W: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 1024) || ARMAGETRON_SCREENMODE: (4 more messages)
08:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: LANGUAGE_FIRST: The language Armagetron Advanced will use (default: American English) || LANGUAGE_SECOND: Fallback language if the first language is not available (default: American English) || MESSAGE_OF_DAY: Message sent to clients on connection, if supported by the client, it will be displayed fullscreen (default: ) || MESSAGE_OF_DAY_TIMEOUT: Time message_of_day is displayed for in fullscreen mode (1 more message)
08:58 <wrtlprnft> grr
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09:26 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
09:26 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Custer & Pleasant Valley, Plano, Texas is 62.6°F (2:26 AM CST on November 15, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 44.6°F. Pressure: 29.44 in 996.8 hPa.  Wind Advisory in effect until 6 PM CST Wednesday... 
09:27 <DrJoeTron> #cnn 60016
09:27 <armabot> DrJoeTron: The current temperature in Des Plaines, IL is 44.0°F. Conditions: Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Wind: NE at 4 mph (6 km/h).
09:27 <GodTodd> say my name
09:28 <DrJoeTron> GodTodd 
09:28 <GodTodd> hmmm....subtle highlighting
09:28 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma 
09:28  * GodTodd is trying out gaim
09:28 <DrJoeTron> ah
09:28 <Lucifer_arma> what DrJoeTron (hi there!) 
09:29 <DrJoeTron> (heya) whats the situation with those DWH punks
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> #lastseen dwh
09:30 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: _~*|=DWH=|*~_ 5 has last been seen on The Lobster Cage 11 days 3 hours 43 minutes ago.
09:30 <Lucifer_arma> disappeared?  Just another stupid clan that appeared, made a bunch of stupid noise, and then disappeared?
09:31 <wrtlprnft> DWH?
09:31 <DrJoeTron> yeah
09:32 <wrtlprnft> i really wonder what that “(hi there!)” is supposed to be good for ;)
09:32 <DrJoeTron> a friendly gesture?
09:32 <wrtlprnft> yeah, but it's automatic
09:34 <Lucifer_arma> well, it used to be (prick)
09:34 <wrtlprnft> o_O
09:34 <wrtlprnft> anyways, gotta go
09:35 <Lucifer_arma> then I noticed I mostly use tab completion for people who aren't there, and realized how entertaining the idea was that someone would read through their backlog and see it :)
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10:00 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6279 /armagetronad/branches/Io/: Branching for Io language bindings
10:04 <Lucifer_arma> #night
10:04 <armabot> Good night Lucifer_arma!
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11:35 <DrJoeTron> oh my god
11:35 <spidey> ?
11:35 <DrJoeTron> voltron is on adult swim now!?
11:36 <spidey> i dun watch cartoons =p
11:39 <DrJoeTron> giant robot show
12:07 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6280 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/configure.ac: Added -Wno-long-long to server CFLAGS as well, an included linux header uses long long.
12:15 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6281 /armagetronad/branches/Io/armagetronad/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Some work on Io branch
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12:56 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6282 /armagetronad/branches/lua/armagetronad/src/swig/ (ext/ lib/): Starting clean on SWIG interface files
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13:39 <wrtlprnft> #arma max_rounds
13:39 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig max_rounds
13:39 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sorry, no matches :S
13:39 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig rounds
13:39 <armabot> wrtlprnft: LIMIT_ROUNDS: End the match after this number of rounds (default: 10) || SP_LIMIT_ROUNDS: End the match after this number of rounds in single player mode (default: 10)
14:07 <wrtlprnft> grr, now i can't get my server on the master :s
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14:09 <madmax|pt> hello
14:09 <wrtlprnft> hi
14:12 <wrtlprnft> great, now it's on master3, but on no other server
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14:21 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6283 /armagetronad/branches/lua/armagetronad/ (7 files in 5 dirs):
14:21 <armabot> armagetronad: * Added SWIG module for lua. The module is compiled in with the game (it is not
14:21 <armabot> armagetronad: a dynamic library like the ruby modules). Call Armagetronad_Init(lua_State*) to
14:21 <armabot> armagetronad: initialize it. Only the Mac OS X build system is setup for this.
14:21 <armabot> armagetronad: * Still some problems involving missing director support.
14:22 <spidey> Luke-Jr, ping
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15:38 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen voodo
15:38 <armabot> wrtlprnft: voodoodude seems to be on Strawberry Fields right now.
15:38 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen ct%voodo
15:38 <armabot> wrtlprnft: CT~Voodoo has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 1 days 14 hours 2 minutes ago.
15:39 <Commn> #armaservers
15:39 <armabot> Commn: Strawberry Fields (8 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (8 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild CTF (clone by wrtlprnft) (7 players) || (Moo) Clan [ Cow Farm ] (5 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (5 players) || Norm's Place (4 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (4 players) || Swampland in 2.7.1 (4 players) || Strawberry Fields - BACKUP-SERVER (4 players) || (1 more message)
15:48 <Luke-Jr> PyQt is *BROKEN*
15:48 <Luke-Jr> sip/qt/qstringlist.sip:189: error: cannot convert 'ssize_t*' to 'int*' for argument '3' to 'int PySlice_GetIndicesEx(PySliceObject*, int, int*, int*, int*, int*)'
16:15 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig server_ur
16:15 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sorry, no matches :S
16:15 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig uri
16:15 <armabot> wrtlprnft: ALLOW_CONTROL_DURING_CHAT: If set to 1, this allows a player to issue cycle and camera control commands during chat (losing the chatbot and the yellow chat pyramid). (default: 0) || VOTING_MATURITY: The minimum time in seconds a player needs to be online with the same name before he can issue votes. (default: 300)
16:15 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig url
16:16 <armabot> wrtlprnft: URL: HTTP URI assiciated with a server (default: )
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17:12 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6284 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/resource/proto/Anonymous/original/original.map.xml: Reverted an (hopefully) accidental commit. This map is not for experimenting :)
17:13 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6285 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/network/ (nConfig.cpp nConfig.h): Manuall added the overloaded version of the nConfigItemLine constructor taking the callback argument, and disabled that overload from SWIG. Scripts can't pass in function pointers anyway.
17:13 <wrtlprnft> probably from PH's merge
17:15 <wrtlprnft> z-manuel: any idea as to why my server only appears on master3, but not on the others? It's on another physical host…
17:36 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6286 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/swig/ext/armagetronad/tools/tConfiguration.i: Trimmed down tConfiguration interface file
17:58 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6287 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/swig/ext/armagetronad/tools/tConfiguration.i: SWIG complains unless these two pure virtual functions are included in the interface file.
18:02 <wrtlprnft> now it's on master 4, too…
18:05 <madmax|pt> ...'till world domination
18:08 <wrtlprnft> heh
18:08 <wrtlprnft> nice, master 2 now, too
18:08  * wrtlprnft waits for master 1
18:08 <madmax|pt> see
18:10 <wrtlprnft> wget http://forums.armagetronad.net/download.php?id=5691
18:10 <wrtlprnft> oops
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18:44 <madmax|pt> ed's styball looks nice
18:50 <madmax|pt> #ping
18:50 <armabot> pong
18:54 <wrtlprnft> yeah, it does
18:54 <Luke-Jr> mmm
18:54 <Luke-Jr> styball w/ maps sounds nice
19:04 <wrtlprnft> currently implementing a better collision formula, the current one sucks
19:22 <Luke-Jr> who is?
19:22 <Luke-Jr> BTW, why isn't pig's stuff merged? or does it not merge with trunk well?
19:23 <[Xpert]DarkStar> anyone else here having problems with msn?
19:24 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6288 /armagetronad/branches/Io/armagetronad/ (17 files in 9 dirs): Gutted ruby support from this branch
19:25 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: well, it's ought to be implemented w/ scripting IMHO, and it conflicts with zonesv2, and the shooting part is a hack to gBaseZoneHack
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19:27 <Luke-Jr> ah
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19:27 <Luke-Jr> some should use scripts, I agree
19:27 <Luke-Jr> though only client-side :0
19:30 <madmax|pt> yes [Xpert]DarkStar 
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20:00 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6289 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/cockpit/cMap.cpp: Activated the FORBID_HUD_MAP item.
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20:40 <Luzifer> #list
20:40 <armabot> Luzifer: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
20:40 <Luzifer> #list web
20:40 <armabot> Luzifer: doctype, fetch, headers, netcraft, size, title, urlquote, and urlunquote
20:41 <Luzifer> #list insult
20:41 <armabot> Luzifer: insult
20:41 <Luzifer> #list utilities
20:41 <armabot> Luzifer: apply, echo, ignore, last, shuffle, and success
20:41 <Luzifer> #shuffle
20:41 <armabot> Luzifer: (shuffle <arg> [<arg> ...]) -- Shuffles the arguments given it.
20:41 <Luzifer> #list games
20:41 <armabot> Luzifer: coin, dice, eightball, monologue, and roulette
20:42 <Luzifer> #monologue
20:42 <armabot> Luzifer: Your current monologue is at least 7 lines long.
20:42 <Luzifer> wow
20:42 <Luzifer> #dice
20:42 <armabot> Luzifer: (dice <dice>d<sides>) -- Rolls a die with <sides> number of sides <dice> times. For example, 2d6 will roll 2 six-sided dice; 10d10 will roll 10 ten-sided dice.
20:42 <Luzifer> #roulette
20:42 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
20:42  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
20:42 <Luzifer> #roulette
20:42 <armabot> Luzifer: *click*
20:42 <Luzifer> #coin
20:42 <armabot> Luzifer: heads
20:43 <Luzifer> #eightball
20:43 <armabot> Luzifer: It shall be.
20:43 <Luzifer> #list services
20:43 <armabot> Luzifer: ghost, identify, invite, nicks, op, password, unban, and voice
20:43 <Luzifer> #list herald
20:43 <armabot> Luzifer: add, change, default, get, and remove
20:43 <Luzifer> #list math
20:43 <armabot> Luzifer: base, calc, convert, icalc, rpn, and units
20:48 <madmax|pt> #rpn
20:48 <armabot> madmax|pt: Stack: []
20:48 <madmax|pt> #help rpn
20:49 <armabot> madmax|pt: (rpn <rpn math expression>) -- Returns the value of an RPN expression.
20:49 <madmax|pt> #rpn + 3 3
20:49 <armabot> madmax|pt: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
20:49 <madmax|pt> #rpn (+ 3 3)
20:49 <armabot> madmax|pt: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
20:49 <madmax|pt> heh
20:50 <[dlh]> #rpn 3 3 +
20:50 <armabot> [dlh]: 6
20:52 <madmax|pt> er, postfix
20:52 <madmax|pt> was thinking of Scheme
20:52 <madmax|pt> lol
20:52 <[dlh]> You're pushing values onto the stack.
20:53 <[dlh]> ever program in a stack-based language?
20:54 <madmax|pt> I did a rpn implementation some weeks ago, some college mini-project
20:54 <madmax|pt> had Scheme too, a lisp dialect
20:55 <madmax|pt> anyone uses Lisp or Scheme?
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20:58 <Luke-Jr> is aabeta up?
20:58 <[dlh]> yes ↑
20:59 <GodTodd> that's a stupid question
21:00 <Luke-Jr> good
21:00 <Luke-Jr> then I get to eat lunch
21:00 <Luke-Jr> bbiab
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21:57 <wrtlprnft> #rpn 2 2 + 5 *
21:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 20
21:57 <wrtlprnft> nice
21:57 <wrtlprnft> i might use that in here just to confuse everyone
21:57 <wrtlprnft> 5 2 2 + *
21:57 <wrtlprnft> #rpn 5 2 2 + *
21:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 20
22:00 <Lucifer_arma> Luke-Jr: pig's stuff isn't merged with the trunk because it's not compatible with zones v2.  I'd support merging it into b0.2.8 *after* much more extensive testing.
22:00 <Lucifer_arma> It's a fine hack, and as a hack it's second to none, but my impression of the code (based mostly on other people's reading of it and playing the server that uses it) is that it's not really release quality
22:01 <Lucifer_arma> so we'd have to do some extensive testing and massaging of it to get it there, but it's reasonable for 0.2.8.3, and zones v2 should provide a more generalized way of phrasing the same thing in the trunk when it finally appears
22:01 <Lucifer_arma> problem is we've got some weirdos who don't think we can add features to 0.2.8
22:01 <Lucifer_arma> who would probably try to block such a move
22:03 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: who are you talking about?
22:03 <Lucifer_arma> some weirdos who don't think we can add features to 0.2.8 = Luke-Jr (hi there!) (i.e. the person I was talking to :)  )
22:04 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i know. it was meant as a joke
22:06 <DrJoeTron> the rest of my drums came in today :D
22:16 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: adding features to 0.2.8 would defeat the purpose of having a branch
22:16 <Luke-Jr> might as well just use svn revisions for our release versions
22:18 <wrtlprnft> note that the 0.2.8 branch ≠ the 0.2.8.x branches
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> technically we could continue the 0.2.8 branch indefinitely.  What it really means is that "this is the stable release codebase"
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> and anything we release off of it is marked "stable", meaning it's well-tested and of some certain minimum level of quality
22:20 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: note that 0.2.8.x branches were accidents, just like the 0.3.0 branch
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: we don't recognize jokes anymore
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> the 0.3.0 branch wasn't an accident :)
22:20 <wrtlprnft> versuchs
22:20 <wrtlprnft> oops, wrong window
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: we have decided to drain all humor from this channel
22:20 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: generally, stable means nothing new is introduced that could potentially add bugs
22:21 <wrtlprnft> haha!
22:21 <wrtlprnft> lol
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> bugfixes can potentially add bugs
22:21 <wrtlprnft> omg rotfl
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> so I guess we're not doing any more bugfixes either
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, if I wind up wearing the release manager hat for 0.3.1 (which is looking extremely likely), then we'll branch for it, too
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> intentionally, and in a premeditated fashion
22:22 <wrtlprnft> yep, good idea
22:22 <wrtlprnft> after all we should release rcs and stuff as well
22:23 <wrtlprnft> and alphas and whatever, simply to add more testing
22:23 <wrtlprnft> i DON'T want to end up with 0.3.1.2.1 if you don't mind
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> we won't.  :)  But we're going to ignore Luke-Jr (hi there!) if he wants to release a bugfix off 0.3.1 but refuses to call it 0.3.2
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> the reason for the branch is basically that we learned (or at least I did) with 0.3.0 that we should've branched a little earlier and spent a few days stabilizing it a bit before releasing
22:24 <wrtlprnft> didn't we do that?
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> umm, yes, but only after I tried damn hard to release off the trunk :)
22:24 <wrtlprnft> we had a couple of alphas and RCs IIRC
22:25 <wrtlprnft> some of them based on the 0.3.0 branch. IIRC the reason we branched was that 0.3.0 was blocking new features because there was no place to commit them to
22:26 <Lucifer_arma> only nobody was actually working on new features at the time anyway?  Yeah, that's basically the reason
22:26 <Lucifer_arma> 0.3.0 blocked that kind of stuff for somewheres around 4-6 days, I forget exactly
22:26 <Luke-Jr> yay, so all that previous version discussion was for nothing cuz apparently Lucifer_arma ignored it
22:26 <Lucifer_arma> no, I just ignored Luke-Jr (hi there!) 's generally contentious and useless contribution to it
22:27 <Luke-Jr> experimental/odd are "if it compiles and starts, release it"
22:27 <Luke-Jr> alphas are Svn snapshots
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> when all you have to provide is "I know better than you, and we'll do it my way", it's very easy to ignore
22:27 <Luke-Jr> experimental/odd can't block new features because they don't have defined requirements other than that they start
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> then why didn't you want to release 0.3.1 awhile back?
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> you attached requirements to 0.3.1, iirc you said "it isn't ready yet"
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> so you refused to do a bugfix and instead you wanted 0.3.0.1 as a bugfix
22:28 <Luke-Jr> did I? oops
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> which is also ignoring all that version discussion
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> so we see, the pot and the kettle are the same color
22:29 <Luke-Jr> 0.3.0.1 would make sense if someone wanted to bugfix 0.3.0
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> no, 0.3.1, which is what we agreed to do way back when
22:29 <Luke-Jr> and past errors are certainly no reason to continue it
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> which is what I'm pointing out you ignored
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> which would make what you wanted in 0.3.1 now to be 0.3.2
22:30 <Luke-Jr> ...
22:30 <Luke-Jr> 0.3.x is always based on trunk post-0.2.8 and pre-0.4/1.0
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> and will always be only ever 3 digits
22:31 <Luke-Jr> if someone wants to put out a release based on 0.3.0 specifically, then it'd be 0.3.0.1
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> were a digit is defined as what's between periods :)
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> no, it would be 0.3.1
22:31 <Luke-Jr> nope
22:31 <Luke-Jr> because it's based on 0.3.0, not trunk
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> because starting with 0.3, we're not doing 0.3.0.x anymore
22:32 <Luke-Jr> then your argument should be against 0.3.0.1 existing
22:32 <Luke-Jr> not that it should be 0.3.1
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> no, my argument is that if you want to release a version that contains some of the bugs in 0.3.0 fixed, it should be called 0.3.1
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> once 0.3.0 ws tagged, that's it, new development goes in the trunk
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> so figure which revision has the level of bugfix you're happy with and make *that* 0.3.1
22:33 <Luke-Jr> no
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> only, when we had that discussion, it was actually possible to do that :)
22:33 <Luke-Jr> just stfu and release 0.3.1 already
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> no, we've got a list :)
22:34 <Luke-Jr> shouldn't
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> why not?
22:34 <Luke-Jr> cuz 0.3s don't get lists
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> why not?
22:35 <Luke-Jr> because they're experimental/odd and have no requirement other than compiling and starting
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> says who
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> ?
22:35 <Luke-Jr> the version discussion
22:36 <wrtlprnft> even experimental releases need to be usuable or noone's gonna use them
22:36 <Luke-Jr> so what if nobody uses them?
22:36 <Luke-Jr> if 0.3.1 turns out to be unusable, we can always make 0.3.2
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> the version discussion didn't decide that's how we would release, it decided that we *could* release that way if we wanted to
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> fact is, people around here want to set specific goals, call those milestones, work towards them, and then release them
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> and that will make people feel very good about themselves, the code they've written, and the game they play
22:37 <wrtlprnft> people will lose trust if we release unusuable versions and will stop trying them
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> and I think that's worth respecting
22:37 <wrtlprnft> if you want unstable stuff, make nightly windows builds.
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> and wrtlprnft (hi there!) 's point is also correct.  Then factor in that these releases are supposed to let third parties get in on the new extensibility we're adding early,
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> so that when we finally put Bacchus out, there will be a plethora of good, tested, third party extensions, the release will be all-around better
22:38 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: so plan for a 0.4
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> of course, third parties can't do that if we release nothing but crap
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> because "hey, it compiles and runs!"
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> you can plan 0.4 all you, I'm working on Bacchus :)
22:39 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: ok, so in place of "starts", put "plays a few rounds on CTWF"
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> +want
22:39 <GodTodd> m$ has made a lot of money that way :)
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> quite the contrary, ed is precisely the kind of person we need to be putting out reasonably stable releases for
22:39 <Luke-Jr> ...
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> it goes without saying that he has made a large amount of contributions and will continue to do so
22:40 <Luke-Jr> experimental isn't supposed to be stable
22:40 <Lucifer_arma> just consider what he'll do with scripting
22:40 <Lucifer_arma> reasonably stable != stable
22:40 <Luke-Jr> if every experimental release is stable, then there's no point to it
22:40 <Lucifer_arma> reasonably stable means we've tested it a bit and it looks like it'll work :)
22:40 <Luke-Jr> eg, compiles and plays a few rounds on CTWF
22:40 <wrtlprnft> rm -rf armagetronad/*; echo '#include <iostream>' >armagetronad/main.cpp; echo 'main() { std::cerr << 'hi there!' << std::endl; }' >> armagetronad/main.cpp; g++ -o armagetronad/armagetronad armagetronad/main.cpp; release
22:40 <Luke-Jr> BTW, did I mention how annoying it is for Arma to freeze every time I exit a server?
22:40 <wrtlprnft> hey, it compiles and runs!
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> that is why, for 0.3.0, we released a couple of snapshots
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> +first
22:41 <Luke-Jr> so release snapshots...
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> we did that as a sanity check to make sure we were releasing something people could use
22:41 <Luke-Jr> 0.3.1_alpha604
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> isn't that about what we did?
22:41 <Luke-Jr> probably
22:41 <Luke-Jr> but it doesn't need a fancy branch and all that
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> we did 2, iirc.  We had to do the second because the first was pretty crappy
22:42 <wrtlprnft> it does!
22:42 <Lucifer_arma> why don't you wear the release manager's hat for 0.3.1 then, Luke-Jr (hi there!) ?
22:42 <Luke-Jr> I think we should release an experimental release every time we add a new feature :p
22:42 <Lucifer_arma> you take it.  I'll go post in the thread that you've volunteered to do it.
22:42 <Lucifer_arma> well, what we have now is half a dozen half-finished new features
22:42 <Lucifer_arma> when should we release an experimental release?
22:42 <Luke-Jr> now
22:43 <Luke-Jr> note the deficiencies
22:43 <Luke-Jr> in the release file
22:43 <Lucifer_arma> note how many of the deficiencies are because they are "half-finished features"
22:43 <Luke-Jr> irrelevant, just note them in the release file ;p
22:43 <Lucifer_arma> take it, luke
22:43 <Luke-Jr> put out 0.3.2 in a month
22:43 <Lucifer_arma> I'll go post in that thread that you're taking it over
22:43 <[dlh]> zones v2 — it almost works!
22:43 <Luke-Jr> [dlh]: IIRC, the missing stuff there is backward compat
22:44 <Luke-Jr> did I mention I'm in the middle of moving?
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> well, zmanuel (hi there!) asked it to be a showstopper because stuff that worked in 0.2.8 doesn't work
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> did I mention that I"m in the middle of a semester?
22:44 <[dlh]> well, if we release now we won't have a windows binary because scripting can't be disabled yet.
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> I've just had 4 rapid-fire tests in a row, and a fifth this weekend
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> [dlh]: that's fine.  We don't need to support windows users anyway, right?
22:45 <GodTodd> nope, we don't matter
22:45 <wrtlprnft> nah
22:45 <[dlh]> Yeah, only 50% of our users :)
22:45 <GodTodd> we suck
22:45 <GodTodd> we're stupid
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> well, since luke's just talking a bunch of trash and then wussing out when asked to substantiate his trash, I'll hang on to the release manager hat
22:45 <GodTodd> all that jazz
22:45 <GodTodd> ;)
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> unless nemo wants it.  [dlh] (hi there!) you want it?
22:45 <wrtlprnft> the whole point of making releases is to get them to the windows people IMHO
22:46 <wrtlprnft> linux users can just checkout SVN and compile it
22:46  * Lucifer_arma agrees wholeheartedly with wrtlprnft (hi there!) 's sentiment
22:46 <[dlh]> I'll take it, maybe. OK, probably not.
22:47 <[dlh]> Do we have any timeframe for release (in your schedule planner thing)?
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> none at all :)
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> do you want a timeframe?  I'll need commitments for due dates and crap from everyone to get that
22:48 <Lucifer_arma> I'd kinda like to have it before 2007, but don't cross your fingers
22:48 <wrtlprnft> i want 0.2.8.3 to come out, too
22:49 <[dlh]> what is left for 0.2.8.3 anyway?
22:49 <wrtlprnft> so we can start using cycle width, break speed boost and the different cycle_delay settings on production servers
22:49 <wrtlprnft> [dlh]: sec
22:49 <Lucifer_arma> merging pig's patch?  :)
22:52 <wrtlprnft> [dlh]: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=4211
23:00 <Luke-Jr> I'd like 0.3.1 before Dec
23:04 <Lucifer_arma> that's not happening unless you take it over and release it, but you alredy wussed out for that
23:04 <Lucifer_arma> if you don't take the leadership role on it, you're going to have to depend on whoever does
23:05 <wrtlprnft> if you give him a generous domation he'll do it, i'm sure
23:06 <Lucifer_arma> sorry, he has to work with the same pay the rest of us get
23:07  * wrtlprnft notes that all the fun has gone out of Lucifer_arma 
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm, humor
23:09 <Lucifer_arma> maybe I'm pissed because I'm pretty sure that I failed to determine the mass of the earth using as my starting point an 8 gram quarter bag of weed
23:09 <wrtlprnft> o_O
23:09 <wrtlprnft> if you know G it's really easy…
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> really?  the formula needs radius (which I know), G, and two masses
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, and a force
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23:11 <Lucifer_arma> that's not what's really bugging me about it.  What's really bugging me about it is that if I had showed up to class Monday, I'd have known I needed to put that number on my note sheet
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> and then I wouldn't have had a problem, and what's a good deal on a bag of weed wouldn't have had any influence on my test
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> I'm sure I made enough arithmetic errors already to knock the grade to a low A, but not having those numbers (and not having even known we were going to be tested on a section we didn't do any problems in) probably knocked me to a low C at best
23:12 <wrtlprnft> yeah, right, you need the radius, but one knows that the earth's circumference is about 40000 km, and π is well-known, too
23:12 <wrtlprnft> and you can measure the acceleration of your bag
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> well, I happened to accidentally memorize the radius of the earth back in trig
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> now that I think about it, I could have used any arbitrary mass to do it, grrrr
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> I could'v ejust used 1 kg and 9.8 N
23:13 <wrtlprnft> something like that
23:13 <wrtlprnft> as long as you don't use 9.80N
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> the problem was velocity of a satellite
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> I'd be safe to use 1 kg as an exact value and 9.8 as an approximate value :)
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> I'd probably still hit his number within the sig figs allowed by the problem
23:15 <wrtlprnft> well, for a sattelite 9.8 will probably be wrong
23:15 <wrtlprnft> too far away from earth
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> on the bright side, I figured out that I can drop the class without burning off the grace period on my student loan, and I probably have learned enough to tackle engineering physics
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> well, I needed the mass of the earth to figure out the velocity of the satellite from a formula I had written on my notes :)
23:16 <wrtlprnft> heh, in my last physics thest i didn't have any practice for being too lazy to do homework and was totally screwed, but using the collection of formulas we have I managed to get 13 points :)
23:17 <wrtlprnft> though he added a note that if I submit another test with that terrible handwriting he'll substract one point
23:17 <wrtlprnft> but what should he expect if he makes it so long we need more than 100 minutes for it?
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> heh
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> the biggest problem I'm having with this class is that I've learned about 75% of the problems, but I learned them in calculus
23:18 <wrtlprnft> and adds an additional question at around 75 minutes into the test because he forgot it?
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> so the problems I learned were a bit harder in some ways, but easier in others (because I had better tools to solve them)
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> so now I'm being tossed a bunch of algebra with scarce explanations and it's not making sense.  They could throw the same stuff as calculus and it would make perfect sense.
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> so I'm recommending to everyone that has to take physics and calculus to take the algebra-based physics before they start calculus
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> there are other kids in the class having similar problems, so it's not just me :)
23:20 <GodTodd> afaik i only have to take calculus based physics
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> you took high school physics, right?
23:21 <GodTodd> yep
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> you're probably fine.  :)  At least, if the engineering physics students I've talked to are any representative sampling
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> there's a kid in there who didn't take any physics, just like me, but jumped in after calc II and is doing fine
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> he's in my calc 3 class :)
23:22 <GodTodd> i figure that algebra based physics would be a waste of time for me...and if not i can always rethink it later :)
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> well, just try not to have to rethink it after you get too far into the calculus sequence
23:22 <wrtlprnft> isn't physics always based on algebra?
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> I saw calc 2 problems this time around
23:22 <GodTodd> heh
23:22 <wrtlprnft> i mean, without algebra you could do about nothing in physics but basic laws
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> well, how do you find the center of mass for an object that has a variable density?
23:23 <GodTodd> hey...in trig did you have to memorize all the double/half angle and sum to product/product to sum stuff?
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> YES
23:23 <GodTodd> or were you allowed to use notes?
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> make damn sure you learn it good, too
23:23 <wrtlprnft> you describe the density as a function of the position within the object?
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> MEMORIZE it
23:23 <GodTodd> i figured
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> and how do you find the center of mass?
23:24 <GodTodd> it's in the middle :P
23:24  * Lucifer_arma notes that "function" implies you'll use calculus to solve it :)
23:24 <wrtlprnft> well, you can do experiments
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> you can compute it, too
23:24 <wrtlprnft> well, a funcion with 3 parameters
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> 1 parameter works fine
23:24 <wrtlprnft> uh, what sort of object is that?
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> mass is what, density * area?
23:25 <wrtlprnft> yeah
23:25 <wrtlprnft> but not if the density is variable
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> so you have a function that represents the density of the object, and a function that gives the shape of the object, right?
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> so you chop the object into a piece so small that density is more or less a constant and find the area of that
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> then you add up all the little bits together
23:26 <wrtlprnft> density of the object as a function of what?
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> in the problems we did, we did it as a function of it's position
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> or something like that
23:26 <wrtlprnft> which is a coordinate
23:26 <wrtlprnft> (x,y,z)
23:26 <wrtlprnft> three parameters
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> like, the object at the origin has <this density> and changes like <this function> to it's other end
23:27 <wrtlprnft> uh, err
23:27 <wrtlprnft> then your centre of mass will be that orign
23:27 <wrtlprnft> if it's symmetrical
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> not necessarily
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> depends on how the density changes
23:28 <wrtlprnft> say it changes at 1/r²?
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> center of mass is where you can treat the object as a point mass :)  Not where it's the densest
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, the problem I'm looking at used 4-x^2
23:28 <wrtlprnft> but if the density is the same at every point w/ the same distance from the orign, …
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> the point is, density changes, so you use an integral to compute the density of the object
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> then divide by its mass
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> you compute the density in a direction, like in the x direction or the y direction, where you just follow an axis
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> do it for both, and you get x and y coordinates for the center of mass
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> it's the same essential formula you used in physics where density is a constant
23:30 <wrtlprnft> there's a formula for the centre of mass?
23:30 <Lucifer_arma> we just learned one :)
23:30 <Lucifer_arma> You have to figure it in a direction though.  In a 2 dimensional object, or an object with a constant density in the z direction, the center of mass is given by (x,y)
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> and it's basically average mass/total mass for both
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> then we had work done by a box hanging on a pulley where we were told to ignore the rope
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> the problem there is that the force exerted by the rope changes as it winds/unwinds
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> there's more or less rope to deal with, so more work is done (or recovered)
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> can't do that with algebra
23:32 <wrtlprnft> yeah, true
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> so you chop up the rope, figure the work done for a small piece of it
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> add all the pieces together, giving you a Riemann Sum
23:32 <wrtlprnft> but for calculus you need algebra, right?
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> Then use an integral to compute work done for the rope
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> well of course, calculus is built on algebra :)
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> it's like algebra++
23:33 <wrtlprnft> haha
23:33 <wrtlprnft> so microsoft is working on algebra#.NET?
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> yeah.  It's going to cause Sun to release Algebean as GPL
23:34 <Lucifer_arma> man, I'm sooo happy java is GPL now
23:34 <wrtlprnft> oh, and the mac guys (hi there [dlh]!) use objective algebra
23:34 <wrtlprnft> well, not completely, bit it's a start
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> it's enough for me.  Sun doesn't do shit half-assed.  They either do it or don't do it, there is no try.
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> they might be the evil aggressor wannabe company, but taking the step they've taken is good enough for me to believe they'll go all the way as they tie up legal issues along the way
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> one of the problems being they can't GPL the stuff they don't own that's there
23:36 <wrtlprnft> yeah
23:37 <wrtlprnft> was the same with solaris
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> yep, and they're slowly getting that taken care of so they can release it all
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> aha, all hope is not lost
23:42 <Lucifer_arma> instead of fighting the algebra, I should just start taking derivatives!
23:42 <Lucifer_arma> I couldn't help but notice that all the formulas we've studied so far can easily be derived using calculus, we're being told to memorize them because it's not a calculus class, right?
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23:42 <Lucifer_arma> so instead of hoping I can memorize them (I'm bad at memorizing formulas), I'll start finding the calculus in there for myself
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> yeah....
23:43 <wrtlprnft> well, we have a formula collection now
23:43 <wrtlprnft> it's a handy small booklet with about all you need for grade 11-13
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> can't use it on the test!  :)
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> see, here's the problem with the class.  This isn't my problem with the class, it's someone's scheduling fuckup
23:45 <Lucifer_arma> it's 1.25 hours long, 2 days a week
23:45 <Lucifer_arma> it's a semester long, but it's supposed to cover all the material in a 2-semester progression
23:45 <wrtlprnft> well, we are allowed to use it during tests, that's the whole point of it
23:45 <Lucifer_arma> the reason they can get away with doing it in a single semester is because they have higher math prerequisites
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> so, there's not a lot of lecture time.  There's arguably just enough lecture time to teach new material, but there isn't enough if he has to take questions on material from last class
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> so the lecture winds up being 15 minutes or less, and we have to pick up the slack on our own
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> so I'm not really being taught anything.  No method, just "here's a bunch of formulas, do the problems, ask questions next time"
23:47 <wrtlprnft> sucks
23:47 <Lucifer_arma> so, what I want to be taught is how to derive the formulas and why they work
23:47 <Lucifer_arma> if there was time for that, it probably wouldn't matter if it was calculus or not
23:48 <Lucifer_arma> but since there isn't, I'm having to do it on my own, and this textbook is really good at being shiny, and really sucky at everything else
23:48 <Lucifer_arma> hence the collision.  I'm approaching the problems with a much stronger math background than is expected, and it's resulting in seemingly contrary approaches to solving problems
23:49 <Lucifer_arma> I know they can't be contrary, but there's no resolution available without me seeking some form of outside help
23:49 <Lucifer_arma> sadly, when I'm doing my homework, all the outside help that is available to me isn't available *then*
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> so anyway, I figure if I just say "screw the textbook" and go through the formulas one by one taking derivatives until I wind up with a constant, I should start noticing a lot of important patterns
23:50 <wrtlprnft> yep
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> and then start taking integrals until I arrive back at the original formula
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> and *then* start doing the problems
23:50 <wrtlprnft> just reading the textbook doesn't tell you how to solve real-world problems
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> right.  but putting it in a language I understand helps me use skills I already have to solve those problems :)
23:51 <wrtlprnft> you really learn it by doing. for example matrices, I basically figured out how to use them while writing svg2aamap
23:52 <Lucifer_arma> there may yet be hope.  I'll have to go back over the first test material a bit and see.  I had the most problems with the kinematic stuff.
23:53 <wrtlprnft> be happy you aren't doing electrostatics.
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> that's next, I think
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> or soon, one of the two
23:53 <wrtlprnft> it's switching between really tiny and really big values all the time
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> or maybe we won't cover it, but we'll do the background we need to cover it in engineering physics
23:53 <wrtlprnft> so you have no idea whether your result is reasonable or not
23:55 <GodTodd> hahaha...the answer is either 5.23 x10^23 or 5.23 x 10^-23 ;)
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23:56 <wrtlprnft> pretty much

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