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Log from 2006-09-17:
--- Day changed Sun Sep 17 2006
00:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> would be a bad joke even on april 1
00:12 <wrtlprnft> true
00:14 <DrJoeTron> yay
00:14 <DrJoeTron> im registered to freenode now
00:15 -!- Nixda975 [n=d4388014@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
00:15 -!- Nixda975 is now known as i2020
00:15 <i2020> hi
00:15 <i2020> just checking this interface is working
00:15 <DrJoeTron> Ross Stik?
00:15 <DrJoeTron> oh! yeah i forgot
00:15 <i2020> hmmm.... we may need to set up a room or two soon for the ladle...
00:16 <wrtlprnft> well, it is
00:16 <DrJoeTron> i picked the name from a glue stick
00:16 <wrtlprnft> i2020: type /join #arma-ladle
00:16 <i2020> and how will i get back?
00:16 <wrtlprnft> tabs at the top?
00:16 <i2020> ok
00:19 <DrJoeTron> Vanhayes ping
00:19 <Vanhayes> DrJoeTron: pong
00:19 <DrJoeTron> hey are you in my TS server?
00:20 <Vanhayes> um no i am not, wouldnt know how to get to it
00:20 <Vanhayes> plus I have no mic
00:20 <DrJoeTron> ah ok, :d
00:20 <Vanhayes> heh, why?
00:20 <DrJoeTron> theres some guy here
00:20 <DrJoeTron> playing warrock
00:21 <DrJoeTron> i dont know who he is or where he came from
00:22 <Vanhayes> maybe spidey told him about it
00:23 <DrJoeTron> thats what my hunch is
00:23 <DrJoeTron> man, people are total dicks when they dont know who you are on this game
00:24 <DrJoeTron> i think its cute
00:28 -!- wrtl_web [n=55e926f0@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
00:29 <wrtl_web> test
00:30 -!- wrtl_web [n=55e926f0@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has left #armagetron []
00:31 <wrtlprnft> i2020: something wrong?
00:34 <i2020> wow it works
00:34 <i2020> ok... so 
00:34 <wrtlprnft> :)
00:34 <wrtlprnft> of course we could have multiple rooms
00:34 <wrtlprnft> one with the moderation/voice, and several with the password stuff (if the team needs it)
00:34 <i2020> yeah it didn't work
00:35 <wrtlprnft> what?
00:35 <i2020> yes exactly
00:35 <i2020> i tried to end and it didn't work
00:35 <wrtlprnft> end what?
00:35 <i2020> sorry enter
00:35 <i2020> i tried to enter the arma-ladle and it didn't work
00:35 <wrtlprnft> if you just type /join #arma-ladle it just fails silently :(
00:35 <i2020> presumably because of the passwork protect...
00:35 <wrtlprnft> /join #arma-ladle asdf
00:35 <i2020> ok will use password
00:36 <wrtlprnft> it's the web interface's fault. at least kopete asks for the password with a dialog box
00:37 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@bl4-206-5.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #armagetron
00:39 <madmax|pt> hello
00:40 <Lucifer_arma> #g .875/2
00:41 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: .875 / 2 = 0.4375
00:49 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: ...........
00:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yeah
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00:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i guess you could have done that in your head within less time than typing it took
00:52 <madmax|pt> so... Rob Levin died?
00:53 -!- i2020 is now known as poople
00:55 -!- [dlh] [n=[dlh]@a1103.upc-a.chello.nl] has left #armagetron ["⌘Q"]
00:56 <Lucifer_arma> #g .125/2
00:56 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: .125 / 2 = 0.0625
00:57 -!- poople is now known as i2020
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01:18 <Luke-Jr> madmax|pt: 
01:18 <madmax|pt> Luke-Jr:
01:18 <Luke-Jr> ping and please
01:19 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: ping
01:19 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: how was wrtl_web connecting?
01:20 <madmax|pt> my isp has been ... unhealthy today
01:21 <madmax|pt> most servers in arma for instance, give me weird pings
01:22 <madmax|pt> 171/173 avg... but maybe you shouldn't consider these has "true"
01:23 -!- DrJoeTron [n=DrJoeTr0@adsl-64-108-203-5.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has quit [">-;;,ccc3"]
01:24 <Luke-Jr> hm
01:24 <Luke-Jr> madmax|pt: know anyone else who would try it?
01:24 <Luke-Jr> in Europe
01:25 <madmax|pt> cusco
01:25 <madmax|pt> maybe
01:26 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 35 and 56 ms
01:29 <cusco> madmax|pt: 
01:29 <madmax|pt> ping and
01:29 <cusco> whood
01:29 <cusco> ok hold
01:29 <cusco> 10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9007ms
01:29 <cusco> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 23.435/30.702/51.544/8.219 ms
01:30 <cusco> .
01:30 <cusco> 10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9036ms
01:30 <cusco> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 34.737/52.200/99.760/18.499 ms
01:30 <cusco> all right
01:30 <madmax|pt> thks
01:30 <cusco> the second IP a bit slower tho
01:30 <cusco> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 34.737/52.200/99.760/18.499 ms
01:30 <cusco> oops
01:30 <cusco> sorry
01:30 <cusco> but why?
01:30 <cusco> I mean.. what about it
01:31 <madmax|pt> ask Luke-Jr
01:31 <madmax|pt> lol
01:33 <Luke-Jr> [Xpert]DarkStar: where are you again?
01:33 <spidey> man this is starting to get really annoying
01:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Luke-Jr: switzerland
01:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> central europe
01:33  * madmax|pt pokes spidey in the eye
01:33 <Luke-Jr> hm
01:33 <spidey> fuckers keep kicking me in the middle of a gam
01:33 <spidey> game
01:34 <Luke-Jr> ...
01:34 <spidey> and i was doing great to :(
01:34 <Luke-Jr> too*
01:34 <spidey> 27 kills and like 9-12 deaths
01:34 <spidey> i would have leveled up to!
01:34 <Luke-Jr> s/like/around
01:34 <Luke-Jr> I* too*
01:35 <spidey> dude
01:35 <Luke-Jr> need a comma before 'too' as well
01:35 <spidey> shut it
01:35  * Luke-Jr shuts the door on spidey's fingers.
01:35 <spidey> shit
01:35 <spidey> i forgot to move my air conditioner
01:36 <Luke-Jr> wah
01:36 <Luke-Jr> it's almost night anyway
01:36 <spidey> so
01:36 <Luke-Jr> +?
01:36 <spidey> what's that got to do withanything?
01:36 <Luke-Jr> it's colder in the night-- don't need AC
01:37 <Vanhayes> um its september how hot could it be?
01:37 <Vanhayes> #weather Saint John
01:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 64°F / 18°C | Humidity: 77% | Pressure: 29.99in / 1016hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h | Updated: 8:00 PM ADT; Tonight - A few clouds. Fog patches developing overnight. Low 10.; Sunday - Sunny with cloudy periods. Fog patches early in the morning. Local smoke late in the day. Wind becoming southwest 20 km/h late in the morning. High 24 except (1 more message)
01:37 <Vanhayes> #more
01:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: 20 along the coast. UV index 5 or moderate. Sunday night..a few clouds. Increasing cloudiness overnight. Low 13.; Monday - Cloudy with 40 percent chance of showers. High 20.;
01:38 <madmax|pt> Luke-Jr, are you thinking of setting up a "This could be your server!!!" service in Europe?
01:40 <Luke-Jr> that's just an advertisement =p
01:40 <Luke-Jr> http://lightfoot.dashjr.org
01:40 <Luke-Jr> and yes, I hope to offer Europe hosting within the week
01:40 <Vanhayes> Luke-Jr: what was that one I tried out a while back, in europe? I had a really good ping for a europe server, 14-150 which was about the same as z-man's old ones
01:40 <Vanhayes> 140-150**
01:40 <Luke-Jr> Vanhayes: they're a ripoff
01:41 <Luke-Jr> and were on the high-end of what I consider acceptable ping (for Europe players)
01:41 <Vanhayes> what is an acceptable ping for europeans?
01:41 <Vanhayes> er nvrm
01:41 <Vanhayes> probly the same for north americans
01:41 <Luke-Jr> I consider 100ms the high end of what I consider acceptable for local players
01:41 <Luke-Jr> preferably under 80
01:42 <Vanhayes> ya that sounds about right
01:47 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-240-54-90.client.mchsi.com] has joined #Armagetron
01:47 <ghableska> hello
01:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hi
01:47 <spidey> ew it's that thing
01:47 <spidey> =p
01:49 <ghableska> ouch :P
01:50 <madmax|pt> hi ghab
01:50 <ghableska> hi madmax|pt
01:50  * ghableska slaps spidey
01:51 <spidey> =D
01:51 <ghableska> :P
01:51 <ghableska> #lastseen ghableska
01:51 <armabot> ghableska: ghableska has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Capture The Flag 1 minutes ago.
01:51 <spidey> #lastseen spidey
01:51 <armabot> spidey: spidey |mbc| has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 64 hours 52 minutes ago.
01:51 <spidey> lol
01:52 -!- DrJoeTron [n=DrJoeTr0@adsl-64-108-203-5.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #Armagetron
01:53 <ghableska> hi
01:57 <Vanhayes> hey ghableska  :)
01:59 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
02:00 <spidey> coldmail.com
02:00 <spidey> lol
02:01 <ghableska> "well known?"
02:03 <spidey> i'ma go watch frequency
02:04  * ghableska saw part of that movie on a bus ride
02:04 <ghableska> :P
02:04 <spidey> lol
02:05 <Vanhayes> heh frequency is on tv every couple of months 
02:05 <ghableska> hhe
02:05 <ghableska> *heh :P
02:05 <Luke-Jr> someone should write a plugin for armabot that connects to every armaserver in old-spectator mode and logs the chats there ;p
02:05 <madmax|pt> lol
02:05 <Vanhayes> Luke-Jr: that seems a little to "big-brotherish" to me
02:06 <madmax|pt> seems nice too
02:06 <madmax|pt> :D
02:06 <Luke-Jr> Vanhayes: what's the point of #last w/o it being accurate?
02:06 <Vanhayes> wait last works with armaservers now?
02:06 <Luke-Jr> it *should* =p
02:06 <Vanhayes> #last*
02:06 <Luke-Jr> #lastseen Vanhayes 
02:07 <Luke-Jr> that's the closest ATM
02:07 <Vanhayes> #onlineplayers
02:07 <armabot> Vanhayes: This data is 33 seconds old; "$*TrApStAr*$", $~K3~$, */Delta  zero/*, -CT-|<YL3, .EXE, .MaCbEtH, <º|}}><, =}3{=Py, A BIG BURGER, Andy, Bah, Berserker, bob, bob, Brett, CT|Jenna, djiezes, FAnTasY, HellBlade, JackSkratch, JDawg, Jon+, K1ll3R, Kerplunk, Koitnreina, Kurama, Last in Line, LeSanguinaire, lildemon, maxfield, meriton, mot1, Nanuz, paulo, Perdio, philippeqc, pIn|<, Player 1, Player 1, Potato Chef, (1 more message)
02:07 <Vanhayes> #more
02:07 <armabot> Vanhayes: ryan, ryanweir, SAY, semola palomar, Shadow, SL(Sasha), SuBlImInAl.FreQ, trAth, xant, [mho]ese.ai, [WPN] Black DeF, {WPN}·Kéfîs, ~*MASTER Code*~, ~*SP*~whatup, ~}SD{~DaRkAnGeL, ~}SD{~Smart, ¡«VPN», ©­$P, °¯n00b
02:07 -!- philippeqc [n=philippe@c83-250-130-90.bredband.comhem.se] has quit ["Leaving"]
02:07 <Vanhayes> #lastseen Vanhayes 
02:07 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Capture The Flag 3 minutes ago.
02:08 <Vanhayes> ... I guess armabot doesnt like you Luke-Jr 
02:10 <Vanhayes> hmm its quite easy to track someone down now
02:10 <Vanhayes> #onlineplayers
02:10 <armabot> Vanhayes: This data is 21 seconds old; "$*TrApStAr*$", $~K3~$, */Delta  zero/*, -CT-|<YL3, -{E}-Eagle Eye, .MaCbEtH, 135er MORDOPFER, <º}}}><, =}3{=Py, A BIG BURGER, A: Luke-Jr >NC, Andy, Babbafett, Bah, Berserker, bob, bob, Brett, capato, Cobra, CT|Jenna, FAnTasY, Freewheelin'58, HellBlade, hello moto, K1ll3R, Kerplunk, Koitnreina, Kurama, Last in Line, LeSanguinaire, lildemon, MASTA, maxfield, meriton, Nanuz, (1 more message)
02:10 <Vanhayes> #more
02:10 <armabot> Vanhayes: paulo, Perdio, pIn|<, Player 1, Player 1, Potato Chef, ryan, ryanweir, SAÖLDJ, Shadow, SL(Sasha), SuBlImInAl.FreQ, s~y~m~b~o~l~s, trace(WPN);, trAth, Wallrider`, Zop, [mho]ese.ai, [WPN] Black DeF, {WPN}·Légît, ~*MASTER Code*~, ~*SP*~whatup, ~}SD{~DaRkAnGeL, ~}SD{~Smart, ¡ªWPN»!, ©­$P, °¯n00b
02:11 <Vanhayes> #lastseenhello mo
02:11 <Vanhayes> #lastseen hello mo
02:11 <armabot> Vanhayes: hello moto seems to be on  ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server right now.
02:11 <Vanhayes> #lastseen whatup
02:11 <armabot> Vanhayes: ~*SP*~whatup seems to be on Shrunkland in 2.8.2 right now.
02:11 <Vanhayes> #lastseen eagle
02:11 <armabot> Vanhayes: -{E}-Eagle Eye seems to be on Capture The Flag Sty right now.
02:12 <Vanhayes> kinda creepy
02:12 <madmax|pt> #lastseen Osama
02:12 <armabot> madmax|pt: I haven't seen anyone matching “osama” yet, sorry.
02:13 <madmax|pt> doh
02:13 <ghableska> hehe
02:14 <spidey> aroraborealis
02:14 <spidey> i like  that  word, dunno why =D
02:14 <ghableska> it's one word?
02:15 <spidey> ya?
02:15 <ghableska> oh
02:15 <spidey> oh
02:15 <spidey> no
02:15 <ghableska> ?
02:15 <spidey> aurora borealis :p
02:15 <ghableska> :P
02:15  * ghableska has seen them
02:17 <madmax|pt> #lastseen webgamer
02:17 <armabot> madmax|pt: WebGamer has last been seen on Fortress 8 hours 48 minutes ago.
02:18 <ghableska> #lastseen 2020
02:18 <armabot> ghableska: 2020 has last been seen on Fortress 2 hours 18 minutes ago.
02:24 <DrJoeTron> aurora borealis is pretty pretty
02:24 <ghableska> ^_^
02:25 <DrJoeTron> #lastseen t.d
02:25 <armabot> DrJoeTron: I haven't seen anyone matching “t.d” yet, sorry.
02:25 <madmax|pt> "the dudes" ?
02:25 <DrJoeTron> more like the dicks
02:25 <madmax|pt> true...
02:25 <DrJoeTron> or toilet duck
02:30 <ghableska> #weather 50265
02:30 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 82.4°F (6:54 PM CDT on September 16, 2006). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 69.8°F. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa. 
02:42 <Vanhayes> #g 82.4 F in C
02:42 <armabot> Vanhayes: 82.4 degrees Fahrenheit = 28 degrees Celsius
02:42 <Vanhayes> wow
02:42 <ghableska> it's too warm :-/
02:42 <madmax|pt> hmm
02:42 <madmax|pt> #weather lisbon
02:42 <armabot> madmax|pt: Temperature: 64°F / 18°C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 30.09in / 1019hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 12mph / 18km/h | Updated: 1:30 AM WEST; Clear. High:73 ° F. / 23 ° C.; Clear. Low:60 ° F. / 16 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. High:80 ° F. / 27 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:62 ° F. / 17 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. High:78 ° F. / 26 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:64 ° F. / 18 ° C.;
02:43 <madmax|pt> it's getting cold around here...
02:43 <ghableska> :D
02:44 <Vanhayes> #weather Saint John
02:44 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 60°F / 15°C | Humidity: 81% | Pressure: 29.99in / 1016hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h | Updated: 9:00 PM ADT; Tonight - A few clouds. Fog patches developing overnight. Low 10.; Sunday - Sunny with cloudy periods. Fog patches early in the morning. Local smoke late in the day. Wind becoming southwest 20 km/h late in the morning. High 24 except 20 along the (1 more message)
02:44 <ghableska> grr
02:44  * ghableska is jealous
02:44 <madmax|pt> #weather lppt
02:44 <armabot> madmax|pt: The current temperature in Lisbon, Portugal is 64.4°F (1:30 AM WEST on September 17, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 60.8°F. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa. 
02:44 <madmax|pt> hmm
02:44 <Vanhayes> hmm thats updated pretty often 
02:45 <ghableska> spidey: you live in Tennessee?
02:48 <madmax|pt> heh, going to bed
02:48 <madmax|pt> bye
02:48 <ghableska> 'night
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02:49 <Vanhayes> #weather 12345
02:49 <armabot> Vanhayes: The current temperature in Schenectady, New York is 64.4°F (7:55 PM EDT on September 16, 2006). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 59.0°F. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa. 
02:49 <Vanhayes> ha
02:50 <Vanhayes> #weather E5N 5C5
02:50 <armabot> Vanhayes: The current temperature in Saint John, N. B., New Brunswick is 59.0°F (9:00 PM ADT on September 16, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 55.4°F. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa (Rising). 
02:54 <spidey> ghableska, yea i live in tennessee :p
02:54 <ghableska> what city?
02:54 <spidey> paris
02:55  * ghableska goes off to Wikipedia article :P
02:55 <spidey> #google paris, tn
02:55 <armabot> spidey: Search took 0.17 seconds: Paris /Henry County Chamber of Commerce: <http://www.paris.tn.org/>; Paris Online - City Information for Paris Tennessee: <http://www.paristn.net/>; Paris , Tennessee ( TN ) Detailed Profile - relocation, real estate ...: <http://www.city-data.com/city/Paris-Tennessee.html>; Paris , TN News: <http://www.topix.net/city/paris-tn>; Our Town USA - Paris , TN: (2 more messages)
02:55 <ghableska> giant artificial catfish...
02:55 <ghableska> interesting
02:55 <spidey> ya
02:56 <spidey> tennessee river is full of catfish
02:56 <ghableska> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Catfish_welcome_to_paris_tennessee.jpg
02:56 <ghableska> heh
02:56 <spidey> and they taste awesome :p
02:56 <ghableska> :P
02:56 <Vanhayes> heh we throw catfish back up here
02:56 <ghableska> sympathy for them? :P
02:56 <Vanhayes> lol no, just not worth the trouble
02:57 <spidey> you don't eat catfish/
02:57 <spidey> ?
02:57 <spidey> all you do is
02:57 <spidey> get a hammer
02:57 <ghableska> squish
02:57 <spidey> bang them in the head
02:57 <spidey> then get some pliers
02:57 <spidey> and pull the skin back
02:57 <spidey> it all will come off in one pull
02:57 <spidey> them cut the meat off :p
02:58 <spidey> then*
02:58 <ghableska> spidey: you're an expert at that :P
02:58 <spidey> not really
02:58 <spidey> i like to fish though
02:59 <Vanhayes> well catfish are considered second class fish around here, no point doing all that work on a fish that doesnt taste that good
02:59 <spidey> .....
02:59 <spidey> cat fish own
02:59 <Vanhayes> wait untill you catch a trout or salmon
02:59 <spidey> and are the easiest to clean, they don't have scales
02:59 <spidey> :p
03:00 <spidey> i don't like trout or salmon
03:00 <Vanhayes> or pike and bass other places
03:00 <Vanhayes> ....
03:00 <spidey> i like bass, but i don't like scaling fish :/
03:00 <spidey> they get all over me
03:00 <Vanhayes> well I dont like fish that much all that mmuch but fry up a trout right after you catch it, and it tastes amazing
03:01 <Vanhayes> er a few mistakes in that sentence but I dont want to correct them
03:01 <ghableska> hahaha
03:02 <Vanhayes> and smoked salmon is the best type of fish/preporation is my favorite
03:02 <Vanhayes> bah
03:02 <Vanhayes> mistakes in that one too but o well
03:08 <spidey> lol
03:08 <ghableska> tsk :P
03:08 <Vanhayes> wow I just got kicked from Limbo server for no reason
03:08 <ghableska> O_o
03:08 <ghableska> under an alias?
03:10 <ghableska> brb
03:10 <Vanhayes> player 1 heh
03:12 <DrJoeTron> sweet
03:12 <DrJoeTron> oh man
03:12 <DrJoeTron> strategy game
03:12 <DrJoeTron> that has an 8 hour mode
03:12 <DrJoeTron> with a SFW mode on it
03:14 <spidey> DrJoeTron, i'm 89% of the way to lvl3 on warrock :p
03:14 <spidey> btw DrJoeTron , warrock has  anew patch, and it owns
03:15 <DrJoeTron> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defcon_%28computer_game%29 spidey you can play this
03:15 <DrJoeTron> this looks rediculously fun
03:15 <DrJoeTron> i just preloaded it
03:15 <spidey> heh
03:16 <DrJoeTron> the plot is, "everyone dies, the goal is to who dies the least"
03:17 <spidey> haha
03:18 <Vanhayes> spidey: what is in the new patch?
03:19 <spidey> correct shadows and vision
03:19 <spidey> colors are better
03:20 <spidey> buildings look right
03:20 <Vanhayes> might play a game later on
03:20 <DrJoeTron> sweet
03:20 <DrJoeTron> yeah
03:20 <DrJoeTron> maybe
03:20 <DrJoeTron> i might
03:20 <spidey> there's 2 patches
03:20 <spidey> first one had a bug
03:21 <spidey> second one currects it
03:21 <DrJoeTron> haha
03:21 <DrJoeTron> idiots
03:21 <spidey> lol
03:34 <spidey> gimme
03:34 <spidey> 30 minutes and i'll play to
03:45 <ghableska> http://www.hiptechblog.com/2006/09/12/the-ultimate-lego-rubberband-chaingun/
03:45 <ghableska> O_O
03:45 <ghableska> lego chaingun
03:52 <DrJoeTron> i saw that on engadget about a week ago
03:52 <DrJoeTron> nifty shit
03:54 <ghableska> heh
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04:21 <Vanhayes> #google Mcspiddles
04:21 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.16 seconds: #armagetron @ freenode stats by Guru3: <http://guru3.sytes.net/ircstats/armagetron.html>
04:22 <Vanhayes> #seen n54
04:22 <armabot> Vanhayes: n54 was last seen in #armagetron 13 weeks, 6 days, 2 hours, 1 minute, and 3 seconds ago: <n54> hi mom :)
04:37 <spidey> ok
04:37 <spidey> DrJoeTron, Vanhayes  warrock?
04:37 <Vanhayes> in a few minutes, maybe a half hour
04:37 <Vanhayes> tops
04:38 <spidey> k
04:47 <spidey> k, i'ma go play, say 'spidey' when you're ready
04:47 <spidey> i'll get a pop up
04:51 <spidey> btw Vanhayes, enabling special effects = longer load time :p
04:52 <spidey> wow
04:52 <spidey> actually shorter load time o.o
04:52 <ghableska> O_o
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04:56 <ghableska> hi
04:59 <DrJoeTron> ping
05:00 <Your_mom_arma> hey
05:03 <DrJoeTron> whats goin on
05:04 <Your_mom_arma> dungeon crawling so to speak
05:04 <DrJoeTron> looks fun
05:05 <DrJoeTron> he gave me the port for it
05:05 <Your_mom_arma> ?
05:05 <DrJoeTron> up for arma right now?
05:05 <Your_mom_arma> i guess
05:06 <DrJoeTron> actually take that back, il return in a few
05:08 <Vanhayes> spidey: what server?
05:09 <Vanhayes> us_west?
05:10 <spidey> no
05:10 <spidey> well
05:10 <spidey> the CA server
05:11 <spidey> i just joined another channel though :/
05:11 <spidey> wait till it's done loading then i'll leave
05:11 <spidey> oh ya
05:11 <spidey> vehicels
05:11 <Vanhayes> so us_west_ca?
05:11 <spidey> ya
05:11 <Vanhayes> ok
05:12 <spidey> i'm 92% the way to level 3 :D
05:12 <spidey> you in there?
05:14 <Vanhayes> ya im there now
05:14 <Vanhayes> just got some new wepons
05:14 <spidey> :p
05:14 <spidey> i'll send you a invite
05:15 <Vanhayes> ok
05:15 <Vanhayes> btw IRC is going to close when the map loads unless they fixed that
05:18 <spidey> lol, it never closed for me
05:19 <spidey> it doesn't lag for me either, and i turned most of the settings up
05:19 <spidey> :D
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05:20 <DrJoeTron> wanna go to the private server?
05:21 <Your_mom_arma> sure?
05:21 <DrJoeTron> come to mine and il tell you the port
05:21 <Your_mom_arma> already there
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05:41 <spidey> wtf@ warrock freezing
06:33 <DrJoeTron> what
06:34 <DrJoeTron> warrock sucking?
06:34 <DrJoeTron> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defcon_%28computer_game%29 go here instead
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08:14 <Durka> Durka Durka Mohammad Jihad!
08:14 <Durka> hi guys
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09:38 <spidey> man
09:38 <spidey> Vanhayes, warrock kept fucking up, so i rebooted and went to sleep for a bit
09:38 <spidey> kik
09:38 <spidey> lol*
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10:10 <Vanhayes> spidey:  ya I played one really long game with 4 on 4, and got 32 kills, it was fun
10:10 <Vanhayes> anyways good night
10:10 <Vanhayes> #night
10:10 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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10:22 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: wrtl_web was joda's webchat
10:22 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: http://armagetron.nixda.net/cgi-bin/
10:22 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: pong
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11:14 <wrtlprnft> meh, stupid guys on the wiki
11:14 <wrtlprnft> as w
11:14 <wrtlprnft> *as if there weren't enough bots
11:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #morning
11:38 <armabot> Good Morning [Xpert]DarkStar Random Fortune: Your sister swims out to meet troop ships.
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11:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #f
11:39 <armabot> Random Fortune: "Logic and practical information do not seem to apply here." || "You admit that?" || "To deny the facts would be illogical, Doctor" || -- Spock and McCoy, "A Piece of the Action", stardate unknown
11:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #f
11:39 <armabot> Random Fortune: /* Thanks to Rob `CmdrTaco' Malda for not influencing this code in any || * way. || */ || linux-2.4.3/net/core/netfilter.c
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12:37 <philippeqc> #online
12:37 <philippeqc> #help online
12:37 <armabot> philippeqc: Error: There is no command "online".
12:37 <philippeqc> #help online*
12:37 <armabot> philippeqc: Error: There is no command "online*".
12:37 <philippeqc> #help onlinePlayer
12:37 <armabot> philippeqc: Error: There is no command "onlineplayer".
12:37 <philippeqc> #help onlinePlayers
12:37 <armabot> philippeqc: (onlineplayers <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "fetch http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/onlineplayers.php".
12:37 <philippeqc> #onlineplayers
12:37 <armabot> philippeqc: This data is 109 seconds old; .TiP|H.A.K, .·Løж.$µazêrõ, Anne Bonie, aZ, beep, BlingBling, BroTroxer, ChaloF, CT~Voodoo, dany_xxl, derzis, Dogy, eaglex, flo, FRONCEK, Harry, iztob, jent, Jona, Kyser, LOVE/HATE, MarMottE, Marth, mase, mati (meep), NBA, NC/IoIÇo(meep), Nugi, philippeqc, Pikatchu, player "2", Player 1, Sluggy, SteJmatty, swiss, Termineitor, twee, Vertox, |AST| DazeR, (1 more message)
12:37 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen philippeqc 
12:37 <armabot> wrtlprnft: philippeqc seems to be on Crazy Tronners Wild Capture The Flag right now.
12:38  * wrtlprnft joins
12:38 <philippeqc> hi
12:41 <philippeqc> #lastseen aZ
12:41 <armabot> philippeqc: |AST| DazeR seems to be on  |AST|  Fortress right now.
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13:47 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen wrtlprnft 
13:47 <armabot> wrtlprnft: wrtlprnft |mbc| has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Capture The Flag 17 minutes ago.
13:53 <philippeqc> #lastseen philippeqc 
13:53 <armabot> philippeqc: philippeqc has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Capture The Flag 16 minutes ago.
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14:06 <Lucifer_arma> #lastseen Lucifer
14:06 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: I haven't seen anyone matching “lucifer” yet, sorry.
14:10 <wrtlprnft> :P
14:10 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: the bad behavior guy blames your proxy
14:10 <wrtlprnft> ?
14:10 <wrtlprnft> proxy?
14:11 <Lucifer_arma> here, I'll quote his email:
14:11  * wrtlprnft doesn't have a proxy
14:11 <Lucifer_arma> What proxy server is this person using? They need to do something about 
14:11 <Lucifer_arma> it, such as stop using it.
14:11 <wrtlprnft> i can access the wiki just fine
14:12 <wrtlprnft> but a spammer can go through
14:12 <spidey> luke-jr_work, 
14:12 <spidey> Luke-Jr, 
14:13 <Lucifer_arma> a spammer getting through every now and then isn't bad, though.  Hell, we could probably eliminate the spam that we've had just by requiring logins again
14:21 <wrtlprnft> true somehow
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14:21 <wrtlprnft> the vandalism is worse than spam right now, anyways
14:21 <wrtlprnft> jerks removing teams from the ladle team list, for example
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14:41 <wrtlprnft> guru3: do you know how to remove the +t mode lock on a channel you own? I'm currently fooling around with #arma-ladle…
14:42 <wrtlprnft> nvm, i'm blind. set mlock seems to be it
14:42 <philippeqc> junit and cppunit are really neat tools
14:42 <wrtlprnft> don't know them
14:43 <philippeqc> go to the junit page, check it up. It started at bunch of "sequels". Now there are a bunch of <language>Unit modules
14:43 <philippeqc> it is great to test your code as you develop it (and regression test too)
14:44 <wrtlprnft> o_O
14:45 <philippeqc> go to the JUnit page, and find the article/tutorial name something like "get test infected"
14:46 <philippeqc> JUnit is great as most Java IDE support it directly and it uses the Java Introspection mecanism to discover all the test methods.
14:46  * wrtlprnft never did any java
14:47 <philippeqc> its exactly like C++, but different
14:47 <wrtlprnft> that's the “exactly”? ;)
14:47 <philippeqc> yeah
14:47 <philippeqc> utf
14:48 <philippeqc> how do I set up utf-8 again?
14:48 <wrtlprnft> ?
14:48 <wrtlprnft> utf-8 where?
14:48 <philippeqc> in irc (sorry for not specifying)
14:48 <wrtlprnft> 14:48 CTCP VERSION reply from philippeqc: xchat 2.4.5
14:49 <wrtlprnft> dunno…
14:49 <philippeqc> yes you do, you told me "do /type utf-8" or something
14:49 <wrtlprnft> uh, that was for irssi
14:50 <philippeqc> how do you do it for irssi then
14:50 <wrtlprnft> /set term_charset utf-8
14:50 <philippeqc> nope, that wasnt it
14:50 <philippeqc> #last 
14:50 <armabot> philippeqc: [17:20:50] <philippeqc> nope, that wasnt it
14:50 <philippeqc> #help last 
14:50 <armabot> philippeqc: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; --nolimit (1 more message)
14:51 <philippeqc> #last --from wrtlprnft --with utf
14:51 <armabot> philippeqc: [17:20:36] <wrtlprnft> /set term_charset utf-8
14:51 <philippeqc> #last --from wrtlprnft --with utf8
14:51 <armabot> philippeqc: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 30492 messages.
14:51 <philippeqc> you where sending me lots of utf-8 "characters" about the concave and convex
14:51 <philippeqc> and I couldnt see them
14:52 <philippeqc> #last --from Luke-Jr  --with utf
14:52 <armabot> philippeqc: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 30500 messages.
14:52 <wrtlprnft> hmm
14:52 <wrtlprnft> #realchatlogs :P
14:52 <armabot> wrtlprnft: http://master3.armagetronad.net/armalogs/
14:53 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: try /charset utf8
14:54 <philippeqc> """
14:54 <wrtlprnft> 162443 17:14 <Luke-Jr_work__>  /charset utf8
14:54 <philippeqc> seems to have worked
14:54 <wrtlprnft> …………
14:54 <wrtlprnft> »ŋħ√đŋ√đŋ∛ÐŊ∛ĦÆ∛Ѐð√√∛∛³¼¬½¬{⅝⅜⅝⅜¤ŧ←↓→↑–°˝•€∈
14:54 <philippeqc> yep, see them, but still cant write them
14:54 <philippeqc> £$€
14:55 <wrtlprnft> appears just fine
14:55 <philippeqc> is all I know
14:55 <philippeqc> and have on my keyboard
14:55 <philippeqc> ½
14:55 <wrtlprnft> you can write them in other apps?
14:55 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: i saw that ½
14:55 <philippeqc> how
14:55 <philippeqc> thats shift - §
14:55 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: *can you write them in other apps?
14:56 <philippeqc> i dont know how to write them in any program, so I cant test that
14:56 <wrtlprnft> well, you could use something like kcharselect
14:56 <philippeqc> o ok
14:56 <wrtlprnft> or you could use xmodmap to bind them to key combinations
14:56 <philippeqc> you cheat with that
14:57 <wrtlprnft> well, i don't have ALL utf8 chars on my keyboard…
14:57 <philippeqc> i though you knew that € is this and that values, and that you could write them up  (composed) to be displayed
14:57 <philippeqc> €€
14:57 <wrtlprnft> but things like –—·÷×…•∛√€∈≤≥«»¹²³º±≠ i do
14:57 <philippeqc> so you added these as keybinding
14:58 <wrtlprnft> well, the € sign is bound by default on a german keyboard
14:58 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/myxmodmap
14:59 <philippeqc> t®
14:59 <wrtlprnft> be aware that's for a German keyboard, so if you load it your keyboard will be totally mislabeleed
15:00 <philippeqc> ﭣ
15:00 <philippeqc> found kcharselect and characterMap
15:00 <wrtlprnft> ⋠⋡
15:00 <wrtlprnft> woo, i like those
15:01 <philippeqc> ಫಬಭಣಚಙಡﭣ
15:01 <wrtlprnft> ≶≷≶≷≶≷≶≷≶≷≶≷≶≷
15:01 <philippeqc> U+0CA1
15:01 <wrtlprnft> can't see that one
15:01 <philippeqc> ಡ
15:01 <philippeqc> me neither, typed it by hand ;)
15:02 <philippeqc> hoped for some magic conversion, like a color code ;)
15:02 <philippeqc> no magic
15:02 <wrtlprnft> don't know if that exists
15:02  * wrtlprnft wouldn't want to remember unicode points anyways
15:04 <philippeqc> maybe cherokee's could be tough, but knowing how to type the "c cédille" could be great 
15:04 <philippeqc> thats the "c" that has a comma underneat it
15:05 <philippeqc> ç
15:05 <philippeqc> 00E7
15:06 <philippeqc> Anyway!
15:06 <philippeqc> JUnit + CppUnit
15:06 <philippeqc> and pyUnit (I know it exist)
15:06 <philippeqc> and CUnit
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15:06 <philippeqc> and all the others, you should really check them up
15:06 <[dlh]> Test::Unit for Ruby. SUnit for Smalltalk.
15:06 <wrtl_web> niiice
15:06 <wrtl_web> that's a nice webirc
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15:07 <philippeqc> see! I'm not the onlyone who knows about it
15:07 <wrtl_web> node.net%3A6667&irc_channel=%23gentoo
15:07 <wrtlprnft> oops
15:07 <wrtlprnft> http://www.irc4u.com/?irc_server=irc.freenode.net%3A6667&irc_channel=%23armagetron,#arma-ladle
15:07  * [dlh] likes unit testing… :)
15:08 <philippeqc> yep!
15:08 <[dlh]> In static languages it is more of a pain to do mocks, though.
15:08 <philippeqc> (still havent started, I'm reading about CppUnit right now, but I abuse JUnit at work for some system-testing)
15:09 <philippeqc> XMLUnit is a JUnit module for testing XML! Worth checking up. (My personal life savior as I test our xmlapi ;) )
15:09 <philippeqc> but that all end in 2 weeks. I'm changing job
15:10 <philippeqc> will still be consultant, but for a new consultant company and I havent received my first assignment
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15:11 <[dlh]> philippeqc: you have tests for armagetronad setup?
15:11 <philippeqc> nope
15:11 <philippeqc> what do you mean by "setup"
15:12 <[dlh]> that you are using XMLUnit to test aa
15:12 <philippeqc> I meant at work
15:12 <[dlh]> ah
15:12 <philippeqc> sorry
15:15 <[dlh]> You should also check out rspec, I think they have a Java version in the works. http://rspec.rubyforge.org/
15:17 <philippeqc> what is ruby exactly. I dont know Python either, so it might be a though question to ask!
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15:19 <[dlh]> It is like Perl, but not as verbose syntax, and it takes influence from Smalltalk.
15:19 <wrtl_web> now why can't i get it to join two channels at once?
15:20 <philippeqc> well, I asked for it! You gave me an answer based on 2 other languages I dont know ;)
15:20 <[dlh]> Ruby is a bridge to Smalltalk, they say. ;)
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15:20  * philippeqc now gets the Ruby-Perl word play
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15:22 <[dlh]> In smalltalk there is heavy use of anonymous funtions, blocks they call them. The same is in ruby.
15:23 <[dlh]> aCollection select: [:item | item > 0] in smalltalk and aCollection.select { |item| item > 0 } in ruby
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15:25 <philippeqc> I guess the { |item| item > 0 } is the anonymous function
15:25 <[dlh]> Yes, it is.
15:35 <philippeqc> grrrr! I really dont get what the macro CPPUNIT_TEST_SUITE_REGISTRATION() should do in CppUnit!
16:18 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: trying to figure out what 'serverkompetenz' is
16:18 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: Ruby is based on Python, IIRC
16:19 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: BTW, when anti-aliasing is disabled, the map bg is solid-- might want to make it disappear instead
16:19 <philippeqc> serverkompetenz : server + kompetenz (qualification, skill, competence though that might be french)
16:20 <Lucifer_arma> The language was created by Yukihiro "Matz" Matsumoto, who started working on Ruby on February 24, 1993, and released it to the public in 1995. 
16:20 <philippeqc> ok about ruby
16:20 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: yeah, I meant the host =p
16:21 <Lucifer_arma> Matz's primary design consideration is to make programmers happy by reducing the menial work they must do, following the principles of good user interface design.
16:21 <Lucifer_arma> So, any similarities you find between Ruby and Python aren't entirely coincidental since both languages are developed with similar philosophies
16:21 <Lucifer_arma> but neither is based on the other
16:21 <philippeqc> ok
16:21 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: serverkompetenz is the hosting service the webchat is hosted on
16:22 <philippeqc> thanks
16:22 <Lucifer_arma> um, the first two were quotes from the page, last two were me :)
16:22 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_%28programming_language%29
16:22 <wrtlprnft> PING armagetron.nixda.net ( 56(84) bytes of data.
16:22 <wrtlprnft> 64 bytes from h10487.serverkompetenz.net ( icmp_seq=1 ttl=54 time=29.2 ms
16:22 <wrtlprnft> --- armagetron.nixda.net ping statistics ---
16:22 <wrtlprnft> 1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms
16:22 <wrtlprnft> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 29.224/29.224/29.224/0.000 ms
16:22 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: which is...? there is no website at 'serverkompetenz.net'
16:22 <Lucifer_arma> did you check www.serverkompetenz.net?
16:22  * Lucifer_arma would check the web host for the website
16:23 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: do you mean alpha blending or antialiasing?
16:23 <wrtlprnft> http://www.serverkompetenz.net/
16:23 <philippeqc> gonna go read a book
16:23 <philippeqc> later
16:23 <wrtlprnft> cya
16:25 <Lucifer_arma> heh, neat website
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16:25 <joda_bot> hi
16:26 <Lucifer_arma> anybody here try to use qcad and autocad 2006?
16:27 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: guess not ;)
16:27 <Lucifer_arma> heh
16:28 <Lucifer_arma> maybe I should just buy the $17 usb drive and find out for myself
16:28 <Lucifer_arma> I did one of the drawings that'll be assigned in class with QCad expecting to have to redo it with autocad, but what I'm reading now indicates I might be able to use the file in class
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16:37 <armabot> joda_bot: The operation succeeded.
16:38 <joda_bot> be back later
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16:40 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6189 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/MacOS/Armagetron Advanced.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj: Removed a header file from the “Copy Frameworks” build phase.
16:46 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: I mean alpha blending
16:46 <Luke-Jr> hrm
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16:46 <Luke-Jr> i had the impression that europe hosting was cheaper than US hosting
16:46 <Luke-Jr> guess not
16:47 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: Lucifer_arma: www.serverkompetenz.net has a page saying 'serverkompetenz' and nothing more...
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17:12 <deja_vu> Luke-Jr: easy to navigate :p
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17:13 <Luke-Jr> deja_vu: ?
17:13 <deja_vu> although it's a very simplistic aproach ;)
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17:27 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6190 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/cockpit/cMap.cpp: Disabled rendering of the minimap background if ALPHA_BLEND is set to 0.
17:27 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: happy now?
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17:41 <[dlh]> “17:27 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: happy now?” Not me, it just made AA crash. :S
17:42 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: I wasn't sure what was best =p
17:42 <wrtlprnft> o_O
17:43 <wrtlprnft> doesn't crash for me
17:43 <[dlh]> I'm using Your_mom's classic cockpit
17:43 <[dlh]> classic_m
17:44 <wrtlprnft> sec
17:45 <wrtlprnft> can't connect to beta.aa.net for some reason…
17:45 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: are you trying something again? :o
17:45 <Luke-Jr> no?
17:46 <Luke-Jr> dumb isp
17:46 <wrtlprnft> i can neither use ssh nor http
17:46 <wrtlprnft> nor ping
17:47 <Luke-Jr> lightfoot can ping...
17:48 <wrtlprnft> --- two.hachi.dashjr.org ping statistics ---
17:48 <wrtlprnft> 3 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 2008ms
17:49 <[dlh]> I can't reach it, either.
17:49 <wrtlprnft> well, anyone feel like sending me the cockpit then?
17:50 <Luke-Jr> try now
17:50 <[dlh]> http://generalconsumption.org/tmp/classic_m-0.0.2.aacockpit.xml
17:51 <[dlh]> aabeta works for me now.
17:51 <wrtlprnft> does for me too, now
17:51 <wrtlprnft> ty anyways
17:52 <wrtlprnft> [dlh]: works fine for me
17:52 <wrtlprnft> [dlh]: except that it has a white non-translucent BG
17:56 <[dlh]> now it works for me, too. It did crash before…
17:57 <wrtlprnft> x_X
18:18 <wrtlprnft> the whole graham code is buggy anyways
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18:25 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: haha, forgot to stop the ping to beta.aa.net :P
18:26 <wrtlprnft> --- two.hachi.dashjr.org ping statistics ---
18:26 <wrtlprnft> 2184 packets transmitted, 2123 received, 2% packet loss, time 2192694ms
18:26 <wrtlprnft> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 145.333/158.147/1167.948/49.925 ms, pipe 2
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19:26 <guru3> wrtlprnft: you can set permanent channel modes via chanserv
19:27 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: the background needs to fit tighter =p
19:28 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: write an algo
19:28 <Luke-Jr> #g 152-136
19:28  * Luke-Jr stabs Lucifer_arma 
19:28 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: the current one doesn't even completely work within its parameters
19:28 <Luke-Jr> or is it wrtlprnft at fault now?
19:28 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: how about just doing a fill?
19:28 <Luke-Jr> can OpenGL do a fill?
19:29 <wrtlprnft> guru3: thanks, i already found out. It had another name than what i was searching for
19:29 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: dunno, but it can't be easy
19:29 <Luke-Jr> why not?
19:29 <wrtlprnft> it's not even guaranteed that the map is closed
19:29 <wrtlprnft> and if it is, the closing rim doesn't even need to be one polygon
19:29 <Luke-Jr> if the map isn't closed, then there probably should be no bg
19:30 <wrtlprnft> to make things worse, the rim walls you get are split up in many many small ones
19:30 <wrtlprnft> and of course there's floating point errors
19:30 <Luke-Jr> so you can't draw it and just tell OpenGL to fill everywhere reachable by <player-position>?
19:30 <wrtlprnft> so the map maybe closed for all practical purposes, but yet may not be totally closed
19:30 <wrtlprnft> not that i know of
19:31 <Luke-Jr> aww
19:31 <wrtlprnft> i might just end up making a pixmap and sending it to opengl
19:32 <wrtlprnft> dropping the vectors
19:32 <wrtlprnft> then checking every point of the pixmap if it can be reached from any spawn point
19:33 <Luke-Jr> 1) that loses antialiasing accel?
19:33 <Luke-Jr> 2) not from spawn points, from the player's current position
19:33 <wrtlprnft> well, i'd do it once a round
19:33 <Luke-Jr> :\
19:34 <joda_bot> bbl
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19:34 <Luke-Jr> I want to see when I'm cutoff
19:34 <wrtlprnft> bbiab
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20:05 <Vanhayes> #online players
20:05 <Vanhayes> #onlineplayers
20:05 <armabot> Vanhayes: This data is 22 seconds old; !x!~Alex~!x!, *PL*DiscoNnect, -{E}-Killer, <<newt>>, Angel, aothegreat, cold summer, Colder, Cougar, CTDimbiman, CT~Voodoo, Dawson_dc, der Trottel, Destroyer, flo, Fruchtzwerg, Greg, hhhhhhhh, Inujasa, jarek, jfacas_Portugal, Jon+, Jordi, K1ll3R, Kartoffelkoch, Kaylong, KerryPL, Kt80, Links, LoD|Ady-Lucifer, lol, math, maxillary-pine, MetaLking, Naruto, ncb|Bl00dsucker, nevo guy, (1 more message)
20:05 <Vanhayes> #more
20:05 <armabot> Vanhayes: Nony47, Pastor Troy, PATA, pingpong, pixel, Player 1, Playerhehe33olb, Probot, Pyro, Ravekid1031, Red Baron, sekmi, shadow, shaitan, SL(Sasha), Slush, t,d Xarios, Thisspool, Umbrella, valcapri, vmv, yojimbo, [HtH]Soulja, [mho]ese.ai, [noclan] CJ, |AST| FoFo, |AST| nibble, |AST| }{Alex}{, |||, ~*LoD*~SlaYer, ~<ÐB>~Crazy Pro, ~{GP}~woorm, ~}SD{~DaRkAnGeL, ³C³³O³     Hells an, ³³??????
20:05 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
20:05 <armabot> Vanhayes: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (14 players) || Strawberry Fields (9 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (8 players) || ~*Speeders*~ Classic Server (8 players) || .Tronners|.in|.Pyjamas|.High-rubber|TiP-Clan.De.ms (5 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Capture The Flag (5 players) || |AST| Fortress (5 players) || Gamma Deathmatch Server (4 players) || -=|LøÏ|=- Lords Of Destruction Fortress (1 more message)
20:06 <anjori> Lucifer_arma ?
20:06 <Lucifer_arma> anjori ?
20:07 <anjori> ah, there you are.  i couldnt figure fix the broken pacakge issue so i gave in and reinstalled. installing DSAC again now, which needs ctypes. what was the command to build and install it again?
20:08 <anjori> (the 1.0.0 source)
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20:14 <Lucifer_arma> python setup.py build
20:14 <Lucifer_arma> python setup.py install
20:14 <Lucifer_arma> if setup.py is chmodded right, you can just do:
20:14 <Lucifer_arma> ./setup.py build
20:14 <Lucifer_arma> ./setup.py install
20:15 <Lucifer_arma> but I seem to remember seeing it wasn't
20:17 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/User:Zero ← i love pointless user pages…
20:22 <anjori> err, what am i missing? ctypes is only detected if i run the interpreter in the same directory, import the model, then version.  outside of that, it doesn't exist.
20:22 <anjori> sudo python setup.py install   didnt seem to help, eithre
20:24 <anjori> *import the module, that should have read
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20:27 <Lucifer_arma> ?
20:27  * Lucifer_arma is confused now
20:27 <Lucifer_arma> you did something that looks like this:
20:27 <Lucifer_arma> tar -xzvf ctypes*.tar.gz
20:27 <Lucifer_arma> cd ctypes-1.0.0
20:27 <Lucifer_arma> python setup.py build
20:27 <Lucifer_arma> sudo python setup.py install
20:27 <Lucifer_arma> right?
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20:28 <anjori> well, i did preserver the old ctypes directory from the last install. maybe there was garbage left there.
20:29 <anjori> let me download a fresh tarball and try again. but otherwise, yes, that's exactly what i did
20:29 <Lucifer_arma> ls /usr/lib/python*/site-packages
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20:33 <anjori-nesk> that gives me a fairly lengthy list. should i paste?
20:37 <anjori-nesk> anjori@nesk:~/src/ctypes-1.0.0$ python setup.py install
20:37 <anjori-nesk> running install
20:37 <anjori-nesk> running build
20:37 <anjori-nesk> running build_py
20:37 <anjori-nesk> running build_ext
20:37 <anjori-nesk> building '_ctypes' extension
20:37 <anjori-nesk> error: /home/anjori/Desktop/ctypes-1.0.0/source/libffi/src/prep_cif.c: No such file or directory
20:37 <anjori-nesk> anjori@nesk:~/src/ctypes-1.0.0$ sudo python setup.py install
20:37 <anjori-nesk> running install
20:37 <anjori-nesk> running build
20:37 <anjori-nesk> running build_py
20:37 <anjori-nesk> running build_ext
20:37 <anjori-nesk> building '_ctypes' extension
20:38 <anjori-nesk> error: /home/anjori/Desktop/ctypes-1.0.0/source/libffi/src/prep_cif.c: No such file or directory
20:38 <anjori-nesk> anjori@nesk:~/src/ctypes-1.0.0$
20:48 <anjori-nesk> to test, i just installed ubuntu's version of ctypes. python was able to import it and give the version number. only problem being that it's 0.9.8
20:51 <Lucifer_arma> that's weird
20:51 <Lucifer_arma> error: /home/anjori/Desktop/ctypes-1.0.0/source/libffi/src/prep_cif.c: No such file or directory  <--- that's the problem
20:52 <anjori> okay, but why? i downloaded and extracted the same version as the last one that worked, as is. 
20:53 <anjori> wait a second...
20:53 <Lucifer_arma> don't know.  Looks like it's trying to build something from the wrong path
20:53 <anjori> there's still something left over from before. even though i deleted that and redownloaded the tarball
20:53 <anjori> /home/anjori/Desktop was where it was on the last install.  this time, after retinstalling kubuntu, i put it in /home/anjori/src
20:53 <Lucifer_arma> the path it's trying to build from:  /home/anjori/Desktop/ctypes-1.0.0  
20:54 <Lucifer_arma> ~/src/ctypes-1.0.0$  < --- your working directory
20:54 <Lucifer_arma> why are they different?
20:55 <anjori> as i said, i changed where i put it this time, and even kept the same and re-copied over the same extracted directory as last time. but realizing that may be an issue, i deleted it and started with a fresh tarball
20:55 <anjori> so where is it still pulling the old info from, is the question
21:03 <anjori-nesk> okay, i fixed it.
21:03 <anjori-nesk> there was a hidden file in my home dir called ctypes, which apparently contained the conflicting info. deleting it and attempting to build and install again solved the issue
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21:37 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: if i assign a variable a new value the old one is deleted, right?
21:38 <Lucifer_arma> in c++?
21:38 <wrtlprnft> python
21:38 <wrtlprnft> self.systray = KSystemTray (mainWindow)
21:38 <Lucifer_arma> ah.  Depends on the value.  If it's a constant, yes
21:38 <wrtlprnft> if i call that twice i have two systrays
21:38 <wrtlprnft> if i call it every minute, …
21:38 <Lucifer_arma> that's because there's a reference hanging around to the old systray
21:38 <Lucifer_arma> do something more like this:
21:39 <wrtlprnft> well, i'm not passing it to anything
21:39 <Lucifer_arma> self.systray = KSystemTray(yadayada)
21:39 <Lucifer_arma> del self.systray
21:39 <Lucifer_arma> self.systray = KSystemTray(yadayada)
21:39 <wrtlprnft> ah, there's a del statement?
21:39 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
21:39 <Lucifer_arma> BUT
21:39 <Lucifer_arma> if you're just changing the icon, there should be something in KSystemTray to let you do that without having to delete it and recreate it
21:40 <wrtlprnft> well
21:40 <Lucifer_arma> thing is, mainWindow holds a reference to it
21:40 <wrtlprnft> i can do what i want without recreating the systray
21:40 <Lucifer_arma> because it should get reparented to whatever mainWindow is
21:40 <wrtlprnft> but then it leaks
21:40 <Lucifer_arma> qt bug?
21:41 <wrtlprnft> pykde bug maybe
21:41 <Lucifer_arma> or kde bug?  Hmmm...
21:41 <wrtlprnft> argh
21:41 <wrtlprnft> still getting a new tray every minute…
21:41 <Lucifer_arma> I've got a systray object that uses ctypes instead of pyKDE :)
21:42 <Lucifer_arma> well, the problem is that mainWindow holds a reference to it
21:42 <anjori> heh. and i've had much fun with with ctypes! ;)
21:42 <Lucifer_arma> you could try passing a weakref.proxy object in its place, but that might cause a segfault later on when mainWindow gets deleted
21:42 <wrtlprnft> how do i add two arrays again?
21:42 <wrtlprnft> what's del doing then?
21:43 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's technically deleting self.systray :)
21:43 <wrtlprnft> but not other references to it?
21:43 <Lucifer_arma> but the object that self.systray references may or may not be deleted.  The problem here is that you have another reference to it from somewhere, probably within Qt itself
21:43 <Lucifer_arma> rather,
21:43 <Lucifer_arma> it has to be in either pyQt or pyKDE
21:44 <Lucifer_arma> python would garbage collect it if it was a reference within qt because it has no way to know about those
21:44 <Lucifer_arma> what are you trying to do?
21:44 <wrtlprnft> replace the context menu of the systray object
21:44 <wrtlprnft> or its contents to be precise
21:45 <Lucifer_arma> how are you doing it?
21:45 <wrtlprnft> currently i'm calling theContextMenu.clear()
21:45 <wrtlprnft> then deleting my local references to the stuff it contains
21:45 <Lucifer_arma> aha
21:45 <Lucifer_arma> change out your local references to use weakref.proxy
21:45 <wrtlprnft> ?
21:46 <Lucifer_arma> if your local references are hard references, then they won't get garbage collected
21:46 <wrtlprnft> hard references? o_O
21:46 <Lucifer_arma> it's a weird little cycle, but it should work.  That's how I solved my own problem where my QListView items weren't getting deleted
21:46 <wrtlprnft> i have a list/array/whatever containing them
21:46 <Lucifer_arma> "hard references"  <--- I just made it up to differentiate between references and weakreferences
21:46 <wrtlprnft> whatever you create with []
21:47 <wrtlprnft> then every minute i call contextmenu.clear() and say theArray = []
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> and then you're doing something like theList.append( MyObject() ) ?
21:47 <wrtlprnft> yeag
21:47 <wrtlprnft> *yeah
21:48 <Lucifer_arma> well, when a python program leaks, it's usually one of two things.  Either a library underneath the one you're using is leaking (which you may not be able to fix),
21:48 <wrtlprnft> and using theList[index].plug(contextMenu)
21:48 <Lucifer_arma> or you're keeping references to something that prevents it from being garbage-collected
21:48 <Lucifer_arma> circular references are notorious for that
21:48 <wrtlprnft> i wouldn't know where
21:48 <wrtlprnft> that is, i have local vars in functions…
21:49 <Lucifer_arma> when the function is over, local variables get garbage collected and whatever they've referenced gets derefed
21:50 <Lucifer_arma> do you have any sort of structure where you have a qt-derived class holding a reference to one of your classes?
21:50 <wrtlprnft> uh
21:50 <Lucifer_arma> or something where you have two classes holding references to each other?
21:50 <wrtlprnft> i have some classes derived from KAction
21:51 <wrtlprnft> but they don't hold the parent themselves
21:51 <Lucifer_arma> KAction is more than likely derived from QAction or QActionItem or whatever Qt calls it
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21:51 <wrtlprnft> that means?
21:51 <Lucifer_arma> do your KAction-derived classes hold references to whatever's in that list?
21:52 <Lucifer_arma> or the list itself?
21:52 <wrtlprnft> not direcly
21:52 <wrtlprnft> actually, do i need the list at all?
21:53 <Lucifer_arma> Um, I don't know.  :)  What's in it?
21:53 <wrtlprnft> the KActions and other stuff that goes into the menu
21:54 <wrtlprnft> apparently I do...
21:54 <wrtlprnft> strange
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> Hmm
21:54 <wrtlprnft> 		allplayers = KActionMenu('All online players')
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> Did you try just creating a map to the items?  The items are players and servers, right?
21:54 <wrtlprnft> 		allplayers = KActionMenu('All online players')
21:55 <wrtlprnft> err
21:55 <wrtlprnft> 		allplayers.plug(cm)
21:55 <wrtlprnft> that one
21:55 <wrtlprnft> if i do that the menu item won't appear
21:55 <Lucifer_arma> what's 'cm'?
21:56 <wrtlprnft> the context menu
21:56 <wrtlprnft> 		cm = self.systray.contextMenu()
21:56 <wrtlprnft> somewhere near the start of the function
21:56 <Lucifer_arma> aha, I think that's where the ref-count problem is
21:56 <wrtlprnft> ?
21:57 <Lucifer_arma> cm holds a reference to the systray's context menu, right?
21:57 <wrtlprnft> should
21:57 <Lucifer_arma> which in turn holds a reference to the systray
21:57 <wrtlprnft> probably
21:58 <Lucifer_arma> how hard would it be to rearrange it so that instead of deleting and recreating the menu, you're just hiding/showing based on the latest poll?
21:58 <wrtlprnft> i'm not deleting the menu, though
21:58 <wrtlprnft> just calling its clear() function
21:58 <wrtlprnft> very hard
22:00 <wrtlprnft> what's the deconstructor called again?
22:01 <wrtlprnft> the opposite of __init__
22:01 <Lucifer_arma> destructor?
22:01 <Lucifer_arma> ah
22:01 <Lucifer_arma> __del__ I think
22:01 <Lucifer_arma> but it's not guaranteed to be called
22:01 <wrtlprnft> argh
22:01 <wrtlprnft> great
22:01 <Lucifer_arma> heh
22:01 <wrtlprnft> i wanted to derive a class from KActionMenu
22:01 <wrtlprnft> and have it print a message on creation and destruction
22:01 <Lucifer_arma> I should restate that, it's not guaranteed to be called under certain circumstances taht I always forget
22:02  * wrtlprnft goes google
22:03 <Lucifer_arma> the list stores a server list?
22:04 <wrtlprnft> it stores KActionMenus and and objects derived from KAction
22:04 <wrtlprnft> and a KStdAction.quit
22:05 <wrtlprnft> the list is just to keep them around. If i don't they get garbage collected and never appear in the context menu
22:06 <Lucifer_arma> isn't there a KActionList you can store them in?
22:08 <wrtlprnft> ?
22:09 <wrtlprnft> well, what i'm doing is something like this:
22:09 <wrtlprnft> i=0
22:09 <wrtlprnft> theArray=[]
22:09 <wrtlprnft> theArray.append(KActionMenu(blah))
22:09 <wrtlprnft> theMenu=theArray[i]
22:10 <wrtlprnft> i=i+1
22:10 <wrtlprnft> theArray.append(KAction(blah))
22:10 <wrtlprnft> theAction=theArray[i]
22:10 <wrtlprnft> i=i+1
22:10 <wrtlprnft> theAction.plug(theMenu)
22:10 <wrtlprnft> theMenu.plug(contextMenu)
22:10 <wrtlprnft> replace theArray with self.theArray
22:11 <wrtlprnft> so it's persistent
22:11 <wrtlprnft> and i'm doing that every minute
22:11 <Lucifer_arma> you might want to rethink how you're handling your data then.  You're ending up with list items that point at each other
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> they might be getting removed from all the lists appropriately so they leave the menu like you expect, but it looks like they might not be getting garbage-collected at all
22:12 <wrtlprnft> just made an __del__ function, they aren'T
22:12 -!- cusco_ is now known as cusco
22:12 <wrtlprnft> they are deleted as i exit the program
22:13 -!- DrJoeTron [n=DrJoeTr0@adsl-64-108-203-5.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has quit [">-;;,ccc3"]
22:13 <Lucifer_arma> I would make a class that represents the menu and have it inherit the KContextMenu class, I think
22:14 <Lucifer_arma> then give it a method for adding new menu items based on my data from the xml file
22:14 <Lucifer_arma> it would iterate through all of its children/grandchildren/etc (recursively if needed) and check to see if it already had something and only add it when it already has it
22:14 <Lucifer_arma> er
22:14 <Lucifer_arma> only add it when it doesn't already have it
22:14 <Lucifer_arma> I think, anyway
22:15 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, I might do it different than that.  :)
22:15 <wrtlprnft> hmm
22:15 <wrtlprnft> i can try that…
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> what I've found in general is that you want to hold references to qt-derived classes, but you don't want qt-derived classes holding references to your stuff
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> unless you can delegate it to a level much lower than your program
22:16 <wrtlprnft> now you completely confused me
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> so when in a situation where you have to have a qt-derived class reference your own data, a weakref.proxy is called for, which means you have to inherit the qt class yourself, I think
22:17 <wrtlprnft> but in some cases I'd need to delete servers from the list, right?
22:17 <Lucifer_arma> ok, here's what happened to me that I worked out with a weakref.proxy
22:17 <wrtlprnft> because they go empty
22:17 <Lucifer_arma> :)  have the master menu class on its interval iterate through the list and call .hide() on servers that have no players :)
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, what happened to me is I inherited QListViewItem and had it store a reference to each individual song on the playlist
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> same problem with the alarm panel, it worked the same way
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> then I called QListView->clear()
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> playlist.clear()
22:18  * wrtlprnft is reading on weakref
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> and the QlistView didn't clear
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> so then I made my QListViewItems store a weakref.proxy object instead and it fixed it in both places (the alarm panel and the playlist panel)
22:22 -!- j0h4nn3s [n=j0hannes@i577BAF0A.versanet.de] has joined #armagetron
22:23 <spidey> Luke-Jr, 
22:23 <spidey> luke-jr_work, 
22:24 -!- Vanhayes_ [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034188223.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
22:26 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: even if I remove all the lists and use a simple local variable it still won't get deleted
22:27 <Luke-Jr> ...
22:27 -!- wejp_ [n=j0hannes@i577BA97C.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)]
22:29 <wrtlprnft> DUH
22:29 <wrtlprnft> there's an unplug() functions
22:29 <wrtlprnft> i guess i'm supposed to call that
22:30 <spidey> do they have svn clients for windows
22:30 <spidey> Luke-Jr, pm
22:31 <wrtlprnft> #google windows svn client
22:31 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.34 seconds: Plugin for Windows Explorer - TortoiseSVN: <http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/>; Photo Matt » Windows SVN Client: <http://photomatt.net/2004/08/13/windows-svn-client/>; subversion: Subversion Packages: <http://subversion.tigris.org/project_packages.html>; Gui: RapidSVN: <http://rapidsvn.tigris.org/>; ONLamp.com -- Subversion UI Shootout: (2 more messages)
22:31 -!- Compn [i=lksdfn@cpe-65-29-121-215.twmi.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron
22:31 <Luke-Jr> spidey: のね
22:31 <spidey> ...
22:31 <Luke-Jr> rofl
22:32 <Luke-Jr> I have none
22:32 <Compn> spidey : durka says hello from the '4 team fortress chat room'
22:32 <spidey> o.o
22:32 <Luke-Jr> the '4 team fortress chat room' is a trojan
22:32 <spidey> trojans are harmless
22:32 <Luke-Jr> it tried to read my private local files
22:32  * Luke-Jr rofl @ spidey 
22:33 <spidey> virus's and worms are the problem
22:33 <spidey> if you block the trojans port it's harmless
22:33 <spidey> :p
22:33 <Compn> Luke-Jr : what tool did you use to detect that? filemon?
22:33 <Luke-Jr> Compn: no, my browser asked if I wanted to grant it permission
22:33 <Luke-Jr> I said no
22:33 <Compn> grant permission to run program
22:33 <Luke-Jr> no
22:34 <Luke-Jr> grant permission for the program to access local files
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> I can't believe I have to recompile php
22:34 <Compn> Luke-Jr : you got a shitty browser :D
22:34 <wrtlprnft> ?
22:34 <ghableska> O_o
22:34 <wrtlprnft> mine asked too
22:34 <Luke-Jr> Compn: nope, you do
22:34 <Luke-Jr> yours is the one that blindly granted it permission to access private files
22:34 <wrtlprnft> and i don't see why a web IRC client needs to do that
22:35 <Luke-Jr> it doesn't.
22:35 <Luke-Jr> that's why I told Durka it's either email, standard IM, or don't ask me the favor
22:36 <Luke-Jr> is it regular IRC, tho?
22:36 <Compn> yes
22:36 <Luke-Jr> what network/channel?
22:37 <Compn> but
22:37 <Compn> motd says
22:37 <Compn> doesnt allow irc clients
22:37 <Luke-Jr> I don't care
22:37 <wrtlprnft> stupid
22:37 <Luke-Jr> screw them and their trojan
22:37 <Compn> it uses encryptiuon
22:37 <Luke-Jr> then it's not regular IRC, is it?
22:38 <Luke-Jr> I don't recall IRC supporting encryption
22:38 <wrtlprnft> some IRC servers support encryption·
22:38 <wrtlprnft> *…
22:38 <Compn> you can use regular irc with encryption
22:38 <spidey> umm
22:38 <spidey> dude
22:38 <Compn> one sec, playing arma
22:38 <spidey> how can they block irc clients on a irc protocol?
22:39 <spidey> ircd's have ssl
22:39 <Compn> linkline.liveharmony.org:7000
22:39 <Compn> is the irc
22:40 <Luke-Jr> spidey: SSL doesn't count, it wraps any protocol...
22:40 <spidey> * Looking up the hostname for
22:40 <spidey> * 
22:40 <spidey> * Successfully resolved your IP to 68-112-91-195.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com.
22:40 <spidey> * 
22:40 <spidey> * You are not authorized to connect to this server
22:40 <spidey> * Disconnected (Remote host closed socket).
22:40 <spidey> mm
22:41 <spidey> ok
22:41 <spidey> what channel?
22:42 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034182152.nb.aliant.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
22:43  * Lucifer_arma doesn't like chatrooms that require specific software to use
22:43  * Lucifer_arma wouldn't use IM if his work didn't require it :/
22:43 <spidey> btw
22:43 <spidey> wtf's Luke-Jr's term 'standard IM' ?
22:43 <spidey> jabber?
22:43 <Luke-Jr> XMPP
22:43 <Luke-Jr> anything standards-compliant
22:43 <Luke-Jr> Jabber is one
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> he really means RFC-compliant
22:44 <Luke-Jr> Google Talk is another
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> because apparently Luke-Jr is the only person who agrees it's a standard
22:44 <spidey> ...
22:44 <spidey> that's not standard
22:44 <Compn> #4 is the channel
22:45 <Luke-Jr> spidey: yes it is
22:45 <Luke-Jr> spidey: RTFRFC
22:45 <Luke-Jr> RFC 3920-3923
22:45 <spidey> ugh
22:45 <spidey> fuck the rfc
22:46 <Compn> spidey : you playing in the tourney?
22:46 <spidey> ?
22:46 <Compn> 4 team fortress tourney
22:46 <spidey> when?
22:46 <Compn> http://wiki.armagetronad.net
22:46 <Compn> starts in 1 hour 10 mins
22:46 <spidey> hmm
22:46 <spidey> maybe
22:46 <Luke-Jr> Compn: where did you get the IRC server hostname?
22:47 <spidey> don't have anything better to do
22:48 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5354136.stm   <--- my kids are going to be pretty disappointed
22:48 <Compn> its in the text in the java client
22:49 <Luke-Jr> Compn: got a packet sniffer?
22:49 <ghableska> Lucifer_arma: I bet they are
22:50 <Compn> yeah
22:50 <Compn> i got packet sniff ;p
22:50 <Compn> but playing tron right now
22:51 <spidey> bah
22:51 <spidey> Compn, i can't play in the tourny
22:51 <spidey> gotta take cabnits down :/
22:52 <Compn> ah
22:53 <Luke-Jr> Compn: sniff the initial IRC connection please ;)
22:53 <Compn> why dont you do it?
22:54 <Compn> hmm
22:54 <Compn> i suppose i could
22:54 <Compn> you want ethereal?
22:55 <Luke-Jr> because I'm not running it
22:55 <Luke-Jr> an ethereal capture would be fine, yes
22:59 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:59 -!- Vanhayes_ is now known as Vanhayes
22:59 <wrtlprnft> i can't connect to liveharmony.org…
22:59  * wrtlprnft wonders if their server crashed
23:01 <Compn> port 7000
23:08 <Luke-Jr> Compn: ...
23:10 <Luke-Jr> packet capture?
23:10 <wrtlprnft> omg
23:10 <wrtlprnft> this is a stupid IRC client
23:11 <wrtlprnft> with sounds!
23:11 <ghableska> O_o
23:11 <wrtlprnft> otherwise it's a normal boring IRC server (one server, no network) with nickserv, chanserv, and the like
23:11 <Compn> Lucifer_arma 
23:11 <Compn> er
23:11 <Compn> Luke-Jr : can you take html packet sniff?
23:11 <wrtlprnft> I don't see what makes it better than freenode
23:11 <Luke-Jr> Compn: erm?
23:12 <Luke-Jr> why not just a regular ethereal file?
23:12 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wrtlprnft: /set beep_when_away off
23:12 <wrtlprnft> [Xpert]DarkStar: not talking about IRSSI
23:12 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ah
23:12 <wrtlprnft> IRSSI rocks
23:12 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :D
23:12 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ofc it does
23:12 <[Xpert]DarkStar> the only irc client that actually does
23:13 <wrtlprnft> i'm talking about that liveharmony thingy
23:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> sounds like a new version of msn messenger :S
23:14 <wrtlprnft> well, there's a menu at the bottom
23:14 <wrtlprnft> you can select some premade strings, like
23:14  * wrtlprnft Laughs-Out-Loud
23:14  * wrtlprnft is going to be away for a while
23:14 <Compn> Luke-Jr : sorry, i didnt have ethereal installed, but here is next best thing... html version of packet sniff
23:14 <wrtlprnft> then there are some that say something like
23:14  * wrtlprnft has a cow.
23:14 <Compn> Luke-Jr : can you accept dcc or shall i put it on web?
23:14 <wrtlprnft> and then it makes a moo sound
23:15 <wrtlprnft> don't ask me what that's good for
23:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wrtlprnft: emerge moo
23:15 <wrtlprnft> i kno
23:15 <wrtlprnft> w
23:15 <wrtlprnft> apt-get moo too
23:15  * wrtlprnft used to use debian
23:15  * wrtlprnft used to have a server running knoppix
23:15 <wrtlprnft> x_X
23:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
23:16 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Linux jupiter 2.6.17-gentoo-r3 #2 Tue Aug 1 20:58:54 CEST 2006 sparc64 sun4u GNU/Linux
23:16 <[Xpert]DarkStar> my server ^^
23:16 <wrtlprnft> Linux butler #1 Tue Aug 29 14:36:26 CEST 2006 i686 Pentium II (Deschutes) GNU/Linux
23:17 <[Xpert]DarkStar> omg
23:17 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i just misread something
23:17 <[Xpert]DarkStar> read "hitler" instead of "butler" ><
23:17 <wrtlprnft> /exec -o ssh butler uname -a
23:17 <wrtlprnft> o_O
23:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
23:18 <wrtlprnft> actually the keys are very close…
23:18 <wrtlprnft> never noticed that
23:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm indeed ><
23:18 <wrtlprnft> well, it says butler and is supposed to mean butler
23:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> how do you get ssh not to ask for the password?
23:18 <wrtlprnft> rsa key?
23:19 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
23:19 <wrtlprnft> and ssh-agent
23:19 <Luke-Jr> Compn: either
23:19 <[Xpert]DarkStar> gonna have to figure out how that works...
23:19 <wrtlprnft> [Xpert]DarkStar: pretty simple
23:19 <[Xpert]DarkStar> how?
23:19 <wrtlprnft> you run ssh-keygen
23:19 <wrtlprnft> then answer the questions
23:19 <[Xpert]DarkStar> on the server?
23:19 <wrtlprnft> client
23:20 <wrtlprnft> then you'll have a file called ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub
23:20 <wrtlprnft> copy it into a new line in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2
23:21 <Compn> Luke-Jr : http://home.twmi.rr.com/compn/New%20Folder/irc.html
23:21 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wrtlprnft: the filename or the contents of the file?
23:21 <wrtlprnft> then you can ssh from the client (the one that has id_rsa) to the server (the one that has the contents of id_rsa.pub) without a password
23:21 <wrtlprnft> [Xpert]DarkStar: contents
23:21 <[Xpert]DarkStar> still asks me for a password
23:21 <wrtlprnft> if it's your first key just copy the entire file
23:22 <wrtlprnft> you have ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 on the server and ~/.ssh/id_rsa on the client?
23:22 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ah
23:23 <wrtlprnft> and it'll ask you for the passphrase, unless you left it empty
23:23 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well... i did leave it empty ^^
23:23 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and it works now
23:23 <wrtlprnft> :)
23:24 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :D
23:24  * [Xpert]DarkStar is happy
23:24 <[Xpert]DarkStar> thnx
23:24 <wrtlprnft> infact my laptop is even configured to only accept keys, no passwords
23:24 <wrtlprnft> yw
23:24 <wrtlprnft> just for the server i still accept password logins for emergencies when i don't have the key
23:26 <[Xpert]DarkStar> what if someone steals the keyfile from my client?
23:26 <wrtlprnft> then they have access
23:27 <wrtlprnft> that's why you have passphrases and ssh-agent
23:28 <[Xpert]DarkStar> one would have to hack 2 machines before being able to get that file
23:29 <wrtlprnft> well, if they can get a hidden file chances are they can execute any code, right?
23:29 <wrtlprnft> and if they can do that they can as well install a keyboard logger or something
23:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yes
23:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> the only real security that exists is not connecting a machine to the internet...
23:30 <Lucifer_arma> I wrap my machines with latex
23:30 <wrtlprnft> and putting it into a big safe without any power supply
23:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> probably
23:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> or maybe try Lucifer_arma's method ;)
23:31  * Lucifer_arma is irritated
23:31 <wrtlprnft> and put your grandmother in front of it with a big rolling pin (?)
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> mambo 4.5.1 won't instlal into mysql 5 :(
23:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> mambo? isnt that some cms?
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
23:32 <Compn> spidey : manta says hi :P
23:36 <spidey> he pm'd me
23:36 <spidey> gimme 5 minutes i'm redoing a script for the soldat server
23:37 <Compn> if goody shows we'll have 4 people
23:39 <Luke-Jr> --- DCC RECV connect attempt to Compn failed (err=Connection refused).
23:40 <Compn> Luke-Jr : http://home.twmi.rr.com/compn/New%20Folder/irc.html
23:40 <Compn> errrr
23:40 <Compn> ya that
23:43 <Compn> ok tourney starting soon
23:43 <Compn> bbl
23:45 <Luke-Jr> Compn: erm, nothing there
23:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #night
23:46 <armabot> Good night [Xpert]DarkStar!
23:47 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:47 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:47 <ghableska> cya
23:52 <spidey> hmm
23:52 <spidey> i think i'ma turn the phone on and leave it on
23:53 <spidey> my connection seems to be better when someone's using the VoIP line o.o
23:55 <ghableska> O_o
23:59 <Compn> Luke-Jr : it works in IE and firefox
23:59 <Compn> what browser you using?
23:59 <Luke-Jr> Konqueror

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