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Log from 2006-09-10:
--- Day changed Sun Sep 10 2006
00:24 <Your_mom_arma> poor ghableska and groundpig
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00:59 <Your_mom_arma> wb
00:59 <ghableska> ty
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01:54 <Ringwraith`> g 
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01:59 <Ringwraith`> ha HA ha HA
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02:44 <Ringwraith`> hi mom
02:44 <Ringwraith`> i love you mom
02:44 <Your_mom_arma> hi
02:44 <Ringwraith`> you are a fantastic person
02:44 <Your_mom_arma> clingy
02:44 <Ringwraith`> have a geoduck
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02:46 <Ringwraith`> I am RANDOM MAN
02:46 <Ringwraith`> i edit source code!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
02:46 <Ringwraith`> muwhahahahhaha!
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02:46 <Ringwraith`> it'd be nice if armagetron had ramps
02:46 <Ringwraith`> and gravity
02:46 <Ringwraith`> be quite fun too
02:46 <Ringwraith`> maybe my next little src mod
02:47 <Ringwraith`> but that cant all be done server side
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02:54 <Vanhayes> #last
02:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: [02:47:11] <Ringwraith`> but that cant all be done server side
02:55 <Ringwraith`> i outlasted you mf ;p
02:55  * Ringwraith` core dumps Vanhayes  for 3 points
03:10  * Vanhayes commits suicide, no points.
03:10  * Ringwraith` core dumps the server and gains r00t access for 100 points!
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03:11 <Your_mom_arma> heh they just re used old ct maps and made them ctf
03:13 <Ringwraith`> heh a farmer fucked a cow in the ass
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03:20 <Ringwraith`> hello arctanx 
03:20 <Ringwraith`> how is austrailia
03:21 <arctanx> australia is a shitheap because our prime minister is a twit
03:21 <arctanx> how's your country?
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03:22 <Ringwraith`> dont ask
03:22 <Ringwraith`> its the usa
03:22 <Ringwraith`> so dont ask
03:24 <arctanx> ah ok
03:24 <arctanx> about the same then
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04:23 <DrJoeTron> so guys
04:23 <DrJoeTron> mom
04:23 <DrJoeTron> we might have a new lobster
04:24 <DrJoeTron> if this kid orders a pizza for kamp
04:24 <DrJoeTron> im letting him be one
04:35 <DrJoeTron> Thats it!
04:35 <DrJoeTron> thats the new requirement to being a lobster
04:35 <DrJoeTron> you have to order a pizza for us
05:39 <spidey> #last --nolimit --with spidey
05:39 <armabot> spidey: [20:59:17] <Lucifer_arma> I mean, it sucks harder than spidey eating a banana, [20:54:41] * Vanhayes notes that spidey fixed that "clicking the forums twice problem", [20:52:53] <wrtlprnft> spidey: unfortunately it does, [20:43:52] <wrtlprnft> spidey: like shit. that's why they're cross–referencing “bitch” from “shit”, [20:43:26] <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm just trusting the caption.  It said "This is (6 more messages)
05:41 <GodTodd> #q get 21
05:41 <armabot> GodTodd: Quote #5: "first the spoon, then the ladle, then the bowl, then the bowl, then the makefiles have a Ni! -- Armabot" (added by Lucifer_arma at 09:41 AM, March 27, 2006)
05:41 <GodTodd> #q get #21
05:41 <armabot> GodTodd: Quote #14: "On a full moon, Christopher Walken transform in a wereworm. Not as dangerous as a werewolf, but twice as cunning. - philippeqc" (added by n54 at 07:58 PM, April 25, 2006)
05:41 <GodTodd> hrmm
05:41 <GodTodd> #q
05:42 <armabot> GodTodd: Quote #21: "<Luke-Jr_work__> btw, pedophile is good" (added by spidey at 06:34 AM, September 09, 2006)
05:42 <spidey> lol
05:42 <spidey> it's #quote get :p
05:49 <GodTodd> oh well...mission accomplished anyway :P
06:24 <spidey> WARROCK
06:24 <spidey> ;X
06:24 <spidey> s-caps
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06:29 <Durka> Durka Durka Mohammad Jihad!
06:44 <DrJoeTron> warrock for chumps!
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06:48 <Your_mom_arma> so how far does he live from kamp?
06:50 <Your_mom_arma> and does the pizza have to have toppings?
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07:00 <arctanx> #lastseen arctanx
07:00 <armabot> arctanx: I haven't seen anyone matching “arctanx” yet, sorry.
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07:06 <Vanhayes> #lastseen van
07:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes has last been seen on Capture The Flag Sty 2 hours 54 minutes ago.
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07:06 <Vanhayes> #lastseen es
07:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: +Lennon+Saves+ seems to be on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress right now.
07:06 <Vanhayes> #lastseen yes
07:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes has last been seen on Capture The Flag Sty 2 hours 54 minutes ago.
07:06 <Vanhayes> heh
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07:38 <spidey> i asked my webhost dude to instal php 5.1.6
07:38 <spidey> he's like, all i have is meganuke but i'll look into it
07:38 <spidey> o.o
07:57 <spidey> #last seen asyss
07:57 <armabot> spidey: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; --nolimit returns (1 more message)
07:57 <spidey> #lastseen asyss
07:57 <armabot> spidey: I haven't seen anyone matching “asyss” yet, sorry.
07:57 <spidey> #lastseen abyss
07:57 <armabot> spidey: I haven't seen anyone matching “abyss” yet, sorry.
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08:20 <Vanhayes> #lastseen spi
08:20 <armabot> Vanhayes: Spid3r has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 6 hours 57 minutes ago.
08:20 <Vanhayes> #lastseen spide
08:20 <armabot> Vanhayes: spidey |mbc| has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 10 hours 38 minutes ago.
08:21 <Vanhayes> anyway goodnight 
08:21 <Vanhayes> #night
08:21 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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10:02 <hiab> yes
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10:14 <Your_mom_arma> hey philippeqc
10:14 <philippeqc> hi
10:16 <philippeqc> #tell later wrtlprnft minor bug in the background. Check image http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/arma/screenshot_443.png, the lower left corner misses a small bit.
10:16 <armabot> philippeqc: Error: I haven't seen later, I'll let you do the telling.
10:16 <philippeqc> #tell wrtlprnft minor bug in the background. Check image http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/arma/screenshot_443.png, the lower left corner misses a small bit.
10:16 <philippeqc> how are you mom
10:16 <Your_mom_arma> fine thanks, you?
10:17 <philippeqc> tired, party yesterday. alcoohol ran wild like the buffalo
10:17 <Your_mom_arma> haha
10:18 <philippeqc> finishing the evening with tequilla shooters is never a wise idea.
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> beer before liquor, never sicker
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> liquor before beer, never fear
10:43 <philippeqc> blanc sur rouge, rien ne bouge
10:43 <philippeqc> rouge sur blanc, tout fout le camp
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> indeed, the problem with drinking smartly is that the more you drink, the harder it gets to continue doing so smartly
10:48 <philippeqc> all was well under control for me yesterday. Really. I did the 2 tequilla shots as I new the only thing I'd loose was a bit of quality sleep, and not my stomack.
10:58 <Lucifer_arma> I hear that.  There are definitely times when you just know you can toss in some stuff that breaks the rules a bit and it won't hurt.
11:07 <philippeqc> ;)
11:15 <Lucifer_arma> I find that if you eat certain foods a certain distance before you crash out (or pass out), then you improve your sleep, reduce/eliminate the hangover, and don't sacrifice the quality of the buzz itself
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> of course, if you eat and then stay up longer, you lose your buzz faster, but that's a risk!  ;)
11:16 <philippeqc> really, like what=
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> eggrolls, heh
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> umm, mostly a combination of proteins and starches
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> so like a good burrito.  most mexican food, in fact
11:16 <philippeqc> burgers
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> sub sandwiches, hamburgers (blech)
11:17 <Lucifer_arma> I nearly puke on fast food hamburgers without any alcohol, but there are burgers that work even for me
11:17 <Lucifer_arma> fried chicken + mashed potatoes
11:18 <Lucifer_arma> but it's the combination of proteins and starches that matters, and a few glasses of water before you go to bed
11:18 <Lucifer_arma> then you follow it up with something similar in the morning, and you should be able to kill the hangover completely before noon (assuming you wake up around 10am)
11:21 <philippeqc> it think dumping something that is difficult to digest seems to be the key. forces your stomack to slow down and let some time to your liver to start winning the race
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> then vegetables should work, but that hasn't been my experience
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> I think you're right to some extent though.  :)  The water helps flush the liver, too
11:24 <Lucifer_arma> I always thought, but don't know for a fact, that the starches absorb the alcohol and get it pushed into your waste system quicker
11:24 <Lucifer_arma> and the proteins restore energy and provide fuel to repair damages
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> my own experience is something like this:  meat by itself makes it worse, bread by itself makes it worse, but meat and bread together make it better
11:25 <philippeqc> yep
11:25  * philippeqc eat a saucage baguette
11:25 <philippeqc> sausage
11:26 <Lucifer_arma> Dunkin' Donuts used to sell a fried egg croissant that did wonders for a hangover
11:26 <philippeqc> ;)
11:27 <philippeqc> at what hour do their start to do it. Feels like a breakfast think, the type that they stop doing at 11am
11:27 <Lucifer_arma> they used to do it 24 hours, but they stopped selling that particular sandwich a few years back.  :/
11:27 <philippeqc> o
11:27 <Lucifer_arma> dunkin' donuts is franchised, though, so actual offerings vary by location
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> I also found that soda (like Dr Pepper) doesn't flush the liver, so the hangover will still linger, and flushing the liver is very important to the whole thing
11:29 <philippeqc> do they still do coconut covered munckin? they stopped in quebec ~15years ago. When I asked why, the girl told me they where loosing money on them, nobody bougth them. It hit me, the only one you saw where in mixed box, and the last ones to be eaten. Nobody likes coconut covered stuff ;)
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> I forgot the water one time, and then sometime later in the day I had to go to a dinner with family, formal thing, and drank plain water
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> big mistake.  Drunk off water, they all said.
11:30 <philippeqc> o really!
11:30 <philippeqc> never had that
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> maybe you drink a lot of water in general already?  :)
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know what kind of donuts they sell, I've never bought donuts there :)
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> just coffee and sandwiches
11:32 <philippeqc> my stomack never let me drink that much. I soon reach a level where it shout out "ok, I've had enough. we're closing down and over the next 2 hours, we will make the machinery start to work in reverse.... and after that we expect the whole cleaning process to take another hour." 
11:32 <philippeqc> THAT makes you lean quick not to push your limit
11:34 <philippeqc> have a look next time you buy coffee. I have a personnal theory that nobody really likes dried coconut, but never realised it. In Quebec, we got enlightened about 15 years ago. In Sweden, people still hang to that notion that dried coconut is good. I try to spread the word, but I think its too early for them.
11:36 <Lucifer_arma> ah, well, since you put it that way, I must say I've been seeing a lot less dried coconut offerings in general
11:37 <Lucifer_arma> I noticed the coconut cake offerings in the grocery store disappearing starting about 4 years ago
11:37  * Lucifer_arma hasn't been back to Dunkin' Donuts since they stopped selling that sandwich, it was why he went there to begin with :)
11:37 <philippeqc> ok
11:38 <philippeqc> So you are about to hit the coconut event horizon too in Texas ;)
11:38 <Lucifer_arma> my wife and I had this conversation a few years back where we both noticed you couldn't hardly buy that stuff anymore and we were happy :)
11:39 <Lucifer_arma> man, I love pyqt
11:39 <philippeqc> great
11:40 <philippeqc> why is that (pyqt)
11:40 <Lucifer_arma> well, while we've been talking I"ve been working on playlist support in my alarm clock.  I decided to rewrite that whole bit of code rather than keep the old stuff.
11:41 <Lucifer_arma> So I've been working on it pretty much from scratch, and when it was time to hook it up to the GUI, it took about 10 lines of code and 3 minutes to code it to get it
11:41 <Lucifer_arma> showing exactly what the playlist panel in the old alarm clock shows
11:41 <Lucifer_arma> now I'm gonna smoke a cigarrette and think about how to get the timer thread to read id tags in the songs to finish up the playlist panel
11:42 <philippeqc> ok
11:42 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, wiring a similar interface to wxPython was a Real Pain in the Ass
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12:17 <Your_mom_arma> cya
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13:41 <Lucifer_arma> duh
13:41 <Lucifer_arma> of course the tag library can't read the tags, the songs don't exist on disk!
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15:14 <ghableska> hi
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15:27 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: you there right now?
15:28 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: when you get a chance, can you check cpu usage of armabot when nobody's interacting with her?  I'm curious about something to do with timers and python
15:28 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: of course I'll need to know how fast your cpu is too
15:29 <Ringwraith`> s
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16:00 <arctanx> happy birthday me
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16:51 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6176 /private/nemostultae/ruby/armagetronad/src/swig/ext/armagetronad/tools/ (tConfiguration.i tools.i):
16:51 <armabot> armagetronad: - Include cpointer.i in the tools module
16:51 <armabot> armagetronad: - Added some pointer classes
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17:04 <Vanhayes> #lastseen ghab
17:04 <armabot> Vanhayes: ghableska has last been seen on Shrunkland in 2.8.2 11 hours 1 minutes ago.
17:05 <Ringwraith`> ghableska was last seen having cybersex on IRC 12 hours 43 minutes ago.
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17:12 <Ringwraith`> Finland
17:38 <Lucifer_arma> the government's being open and honest and telling us everything it's up to, the president is admitting mistakes and apologizing
17:38 <Lucifer_arma> must be a big election coming
17:38  * Lucifer_arma hates election year politics
17:39 <Ringwraith`> well first off
17:39 <Ringwraith`> they arent being open and honest 
17:39 <Ringwraith`> just in a minor way
17:39 <Ringwraith`> and secondly the president isnt truly sorry for his mistakes
17:53 <Lucifer_arma> go piss on somebody else's joke, will ya?
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18:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> evening all
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18:49 <ghableska> #lastseen 2020
18:49 <armabot> ghableska: 2020 has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 19 hours 38 minutes ago.
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19:05 <ghableska> hi GodTodd
19:05 <GodTodd> hi
19:06 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
19:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: ~*Speeders*~ Classic Server (10 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (10 players) || Tigers Network Speed Blast (10 players) || Norm's Place (10 players) || sylvs tavern in [armagetronad.de] (10 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (9 players) || Capture The Flag Sty (8 players) || ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (5 players) || -=|LoD|=- S U M O HI-Q (4 players) || (1 more message)
19:15 <ghableska> #lastseen Vanhayes
19:15 <armabot> ghableska: Vanhayes has last been seen on -=|LoD|=-  F O R T R E S S  HI-Q 1 hours 4 minutes ago.
19:20 <Vanhayes> #lastseen ghableska 
19:20 <armabot> Vanhayes: ghableska has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 2 minutes ago.
19:20 <ghableska> heh
19:21 <Vanhayes> #lastseen 
19:21 <ghableska> Vanhayes: so you aren't participating in the 4th ladle, right?
19:21 <armabot> Vanhayes: Liberals seems to be on Laura Epsilon (small, high speed) right now.
19:21 <Vanhayes> nah im going to be busy that weekend
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19:22 <Vanhayes> #lastseen `
19:22 <armabot> Vanhayes: `~dD~{Jack} has last been seen on Norm's Place 9 minutes ago.
19:22 <Vanhayes> #lastseen ""
19:22 <armabot> Vanhayes: eshlox seems to be on sylvs tavern in [armagetronad.de] right now.
19:22 <Vanhayes> I think the ladle should be every 2 or 3 months instead of every month
19:23 <ghableska> why?
19:26 <Vanhayes> well it sort of takes away from the tournament part of it, its more like monthly games
19:26 <ghableska> yeah, I guess
19:28 <Vanhayes> #lastseen van
19:28 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes has last been seen on -=|LoD|=-  F O R T R E S S  HI-Q 1 hours 17 minutes ago.
19:28 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc_: yeah, i know it does, that was one of the “unexpected features”
19:28 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: it doesn't use any CPU if it's inactive
19:29 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: but it's in #commits, so it's active quite often
19:29 <wrtlprnft> s/it/she
19:29 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: 400MHz Pentium-3
19:30  * wrtlprnft wonders if anyone ever reads away messages. It was saying exactly I wouldn't be here until now
19:30 <philippeqc_> ok then wrt
19:30 <philippeqc_> cya
19:30 <philippeqc_> #night
19:30 <armabot> Good night philippeqc_!
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19:30 <ghableska> cya
19:34 <Vanhayes> i never think to read someones away message
19:34 <Vanhayes> #lastseen van
19:34 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes has last been seen on -=|LoD|=-  F O R T R E S S  HI-Q 1 hours 23 minutes ago.
19:34 <Vanhayes> hmm CT CTF is invisible too wrtlprnft 
19:36 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: I don't read away messages, too many people don't use them at all
19:36 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, thanks for the info on armabot.  You don't get any reading, not even like 1% CPU usage?
19:40 <wrtlprnft> second
19:40 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: actually you have an account on that server :P
19:40 <wrtlprnft> just log in and use htop :P
19:41  * Lucifer_arma wonders if he still has his password, heh
19:41 <wrtlprnft> i never gave you one
19:41 <wrtlprnft> you need your private key
19:41 <Lucifer_arma> I'm wanting to compare some known python program that uses some sort of timer to my alarm clock
19:41 <wrtlprnft> just try ssh lucifer@wrtlprnft.ath.cx
19:41 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: feel free to run it on there
19:41 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, I need to send you a new key then, the old one got lost this summer
19:42 <wrtlprnft> sure
19:42 <Lucifer_arma> well, the alarm clock is a gui app, requires pyQt3 and stuff
19:42 <Lucifer_arma> I could just run a supybot here and check, I just thought it'd be quicker to ask if you happened to have the info already
19:43 <wrtlprnft> using 0% now
19:44 <Lucifer_arma> that's quite a bit less than the 2% my alarm clock is using
19:44 <wrtlprnft> test
19:45 <wrtlprnft> went up to 14% for a second
19:45 -!- Lackadaisical [n=lack@ipd50aa335.speed.planet.nl] has joined #armagetron
19:45 <wrtlprnft> #echo hi
19:45 <armabot> hi
19:45 <Lackadaisical> hi
19:45 <wrtlprnft> no, that was a test
19:45 <Lackadaisical> oh sorry
19:45 <wrtlprnft> #echo another test
19:45 <armabot> another test
19:45 <wrtlprnft> hi anyways
19:45 <wrtlprnft> #echo another test
19:45 <armabot> another test
19:46 <wrtlprnft> #echo another test
19:46 <armabot> another test
19:46 <wrtlprnft> same
19:47 <Lucifer_arma> 14% when it's doing something, 0% otherwise?
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19:49 <Durka> Durka Durka Mohammad Jihad!
19:49 <wrtlprnft> o_O
19:49 <ghableska> ...
19:49 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: about
19:49 <Lucifer_arma> ok, thanks.  Not sure what the clock spikes to, but 2% while idling isn't promising
19:50 <Lucifer_arma> otoh, what it does while idling is pretty neat and I'm not about to rewrite it over that, instead I'll see how I can optimize it :)
19:50 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: unfortunately armabot's running for more than an hour of CPU time now, so i can't see the centiseconds of it in htop…
19:50 <Lucifer_arma> that's fine, I"m mostly trying to determine how it impacts other apps.  My alarm clock doesn't hurt regular stuff, if it hurts anything it'll just be gaming
19:50 <Lucifer_arma> but that's before I get it running on the slower box that actually is my alarm clock, heh.
19:51 <Lucifer_arma> anybody know off the top of their heads if mpg123, mpg321, and/or ogg123 are available for windows?
19:52 <wrtlprnft> uh, no
19:52 <wrtlprnft> but i'm sure there's a cygwin port if not a native one
19:52 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: just renice it and it won't even disturb gaming :P
19:52 <Lucifer_arma> haha
19:53 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm quite a ways from having a windows port of my own anyway.  :/
19:53 <wrtlprnft> but it might prevent the CPU from going into a powersaving state
19:53 <Lucifer_arma> I started rewriting with pyqt3 before pyqt4 came out, now I'm stuck there until I get it running again, then I can port to pyqt4
19:54 <Lucifer_arma> that last part is fine, when the alarm goes off the thing needs to respond immediately.  Long as it doesn't prevent the monitor from shutting off, it's fine.
19:54 <wrtlprnft> anyways, armaspyad uses some QT timer function
19:54 <wrtlprnft> dunno what pyQT i have
19:54 <Lucifer_arma> well, the timer is custom using python native stuff because it's in the engine which is by design gui-independent
19:54 <wrtlprnft> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
19:54 <wrtlprnft> Calculating dependencies   
19:54 <wrtlprnft> emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "pyqt".
19:54 <wrtlprnft> bah
19:55 <Lucifer_arma> and it calls a bunch of callbacks whenever it works, but most of the time the callback lists are empty except for one or two
19:55 <Lucifer_arma> so the usage is from the timer thread calling functions that do nothing because they have nothing to iterate over
19:56 <wrtlprnft> anyways, i don't have pyqt4 it seems
19:56 <Lucifer_arma> CPU usage is at around 15% during the first few minutes after application startup because the timer is triggering the tag reader, which works like most media players, it reads one track at a time slowly
19:57 <Lucifer_arma> I have pyqt4 now, I was just too far along in my rewrite to switch without serious work.  I'll do the port asap, but I need a working qt-based version sooner :)
19:57 <Lucifer_arma> and I'm almost there right now, just gotta get the media player working, add a few little things, and then test test test
19:59 <wrtlprnft> is there anything like a memory checker for python?
19:59 <wrtlprnft> to see where the memory gets lost?
20:01 <Lucifer_arma> not sure.  There is a profiler, but I don't know how to use it
20:02 <Lucifer_arma> it's pretty easy to wind up with references that keep an object in memory when you want it to be deleted, though
20:02 <Lucifer_arma> I have that problem right now.  Can't clear the alarm list because references are being kept around that aren't needed.
20:05 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=4_Team_Fortress_Tourney_1&curid=2697&diff=15723&oldid=15715&rcid=14374
20:06 <wrtlprnft> if that won't end in chaos...
20:07 <wrtlprnft> well, I'm calling clear() on the popup menu containing the entries for servers and stuff, and I'm clearing the array I'm saving it in locally
20:07 <wrtlprnft> dunno where other references might be
20:08 <Lucifer_arma> I think I did it a bit differently.  It's a QListView, and each item contains a reference to its corresponding alarm
20:08 <Lucifer_arma> those alarms also have references from somewhere else, but that array *is* getting cleared
20:09 <Lucifer_arma> but when I call QListView.clear() it's not clearing, and it's keeping the references, so when the new alarms get added, they get appended instead
20:09 <Lucifer_arma> the playlist works similarly, but it's segfaulting instead, heh.
20:12 <wrtlprnft> well, there probably isn't too much difference from the menu and the ListView
20:12 <wrtlprnft> I might try to destroy the entire KSysTray (and the KPopupMenu it contains), though…
20:35 <deja_vu> uhm
20:37 <deja_vu> does anyone here have experience with linux's cryptoloop support and how to fsck an encrypted 'partition'? :)
20:55 <ghableska> #lastseen Vanhayes
20:55 <armabot> ghableska: Vanhayes seems to be on Capture The Flag Sty right now.
20:56 <Vanhayes> lies
20:56 <wrtlprnft> deja_vu: not me
20:56 <Vanhayes> im not playing tron at all right now
20:56 <wrtlprnft> ?
20:56 <wrtlprnft> !
20:56 <wrtlprnft> teh something's wrong
20:56 <Vanhayes> #lastseen van
20:56 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen wrtlprnft 
20:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: VanGaynus seems to be on Capture The Flag Sty right now.
20:56 <armabot> wrtlprnft: wrtlprnft |mbc| has last been seen on 4 Team Fourtress {By WPN Clan} 22 hours 21 minutes ago.
20:56 <Vanhayes> heh
20:56 <Vanhayes> #lastseen Vanhayes 
20:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes has last been seen on Capture The Flag Sty 1 minutes ago.
20:56 <Vanhayes> there we go
20:56 <deja_vu> #lastseen deja_vu
20:56 <armabot> deja_vu: deja_vu has last been seen on Capture The Flag Sty 18 hours 43 minutes ago.
20:56 <Vanhayes> i just stoped playing heh
20:56 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: well, it updates once a minute
20:56 <deja_vu> muha
20:57 <wrtlprnft> deja_vu: you're being watched
20:57 <Vanhayes> #lastseen Icarus
20:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: Icarus has last been seen on 4 Team Fourtress {By WPN Clan} 43 hours 34 minutes ago.
20:57 <deja_vu> i see *g*
20:57 <Vanhayes> wow almost 2 days
20:57 <Vanhayes> #lastseen ""
20:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: VSB seems to be on  ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server right now.
20:58 <Vanhayes> #lastseen john
20:58 <armabot> Vanhayes: Johneyy! seems to be on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress right now.
20:58 <Vanhayes> #lastseen zero
20:58 <armabot> Vanhayes: Zero has last been seen on Laura Epsilon (small, high speed) 1 hours 7 minutes ago.
20:58 <Vanhayes> #lastseen ikono
20:58 <armabot> Vanhayes: ikono has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 5 hours 57 minutes ago.
20:59 <wrtlprnft> seems to be pretty fast still
21:06 <mkzelda> vangayes
21:06 <mkzelda> u playin?
21:16 <DrJoeTron> #lastseen Dr Joe Tron
21:16 <armabot> DrJoeTron: Dr Joe Tron has last been seen on Capture The Flag Sty 35 minutes ago.
21:34 <mkzelda> if i hit F1 during 3,2,1, GO it makes the screen go black
21:34 <mkzelda> f1 is my /team 
21:35 <wrtlprnft> o_O
21:35 <mkzelda> but it makes the game go black, overlay is there but unupdated
21:35 <mkzelda> rest of hud is there
21:35 <mkzelda> have to disconnect/reconnect or wait for round end
21:35 <wrtlprnft> kinda weird
21:35 <mkzelda> ya
21:35 <wrtlprnft> second
21:35 <mkzelda> i've done it twice
21:36 <mkzelda> lemme nail it down some more
21:36 <wrtlprnft> see if it works with other keys ending in \ too
21:39 <wrtlprnft> grr, name resolution doesn't work for me anymore...
21:39 <wrtlprnft> can't test
21:39 <wrtlprnft> something's borked
21:41 <wrtlprnft> worked now, bug doesn't happen to me
21:43 <Lucifer_arma> #lastseen Lucifer
21:43 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: I haven't seen anyone matching “lucifer” yet, sorry.
21:45 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen luzifer
21:45 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Luzifer has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 23 hours 39 minutes ago.
21:45 <wrtlprnft> darn fake
21:45 <ghableska> :P
21:46  * [Xpert]DarkStar rode the fastest train of the world today
21:47 -!- [NP]Tangent [n=hyperdev@71-211-214-63.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
21:47 <wrtlprnft> won't notice a lot inside anywase
21:47 <wrtlprnft> *anyways
21:47 <ghableska> darn, it stopped raining
21:48 <ghableska> #weather
21:48 <armabot> ghableska: (weather <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
21:48 <ghableska> #weather 50265
21:48 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 62.6°F (1:54 PM CDT on September 10, 2006). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 60.8°F. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa. 
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21:48 <ghableska> hum
21:48 <wrtlprnft> you guys know these numbers by heart?
21:48 <ghableska> lol
21:48 <wrtlprnft> oh
21:48 <wrtlprnft> it's a zip code
21:48 <wrtlprnft> nvm
21:48 <ghableska> yeah ;)
21:49 <Lucifer_arma> #weather 78717
21:49 <wrtlprnft> #cn 81669
21:49 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The current temperature in Meadows of Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 96.4°F (2:45 PM CDT on September 10, 2006). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 66.2°F. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009.0 hPa. 
21:49 <wrtlprnft> #weather 81669
21:49 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "81669".
21:49 <wrtlprnft> bah
21:49 <ghableska> :P
21:49 <wrtlprnft> that's a german zip code
21:49 <Lucifer_arma> I want some milk!
21:49 <ghableska> o.0
21:49 <Lucifer_arma> my coffee grows cold
21:50 <Lucifer_arma> I can type pretty fast, but not fast enough to keep up with this song
21:50  * ghableska is reminded of a USB-powered cup warmer
21:50  * wrtlprnft has one that uses a candle o_O
21:50  * Lucifer_arma is waiting to see what happens when the song ends
21:51 -!- [NP]Tangent [n=hyperdev@71-211-214-63.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #armagetron
21:52 <ghableska> wb
21:53 <Lucifer_arma> yay, I have a media player that plays one song and then blows up
21:53 <Lucifer_arma> that's quite an improvement, really
21:53 <ghableska> :)
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> here goes, maybe it won't blow up this time
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> we fell in love at first sight, I can't explain the feelings when I first saw yoooooouuuuuuuuu
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> we were so so happy, a lifetime of love sweet honey child, you'll always be miiine
21:54 <wrtlprnft> x_X
21:54 <ghableska> lol
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> but then I playe dthe fool.  I never meant to hurt you, or sleep with all your friends
21:55 <Lucifer_arma> we reconciled we found ourselves, our love ws meant to be, oh baby can't you see, ohohohohohohohoh!
21:55 <Lucifer_arma> I can keep up with this song :)
21:55  * Lucifer_arma is playing short songs to shorten the development cycle :)
21:55 <ghableska> :D
21:56 <Lucifer_arma> joey give me some tissue
21:56 <Lucifer_arma> yes, now it's playing another song!  :)
21:56 <Lucifer_arma> it's playing the censored version :(
21:58 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's playing fine, but apparently my ogg collection is pretty broke
22:06 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6177 /private/nemostultae/ruby/armagetronad/src/swig/ext/armagetronad/tools/ (tArray.i tConfiguration.i tMemManager.i tRing.i tools.i): Added a few interface files
22:10 <ghableska> #weather 50265
22:10 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 62.6°F (2:54 PM CDT on September 10, 2006). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 60.8°F. Pressure: 30.03 in 1017 hPa. 
22:13 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I got something weird going on
22:13 <Lucifer_arma> I think
22:13 <Lucifer_arma> I have two variables that are boolean, and when one is True and the second is False, only then, a line of code should be executed
22:13 <Lucifer_arma> self.isPlaying and not (self.blockshift == False)   <--- this evaluates correctly for some reason
22:14 <Lucifer_arma> isPlaying should be true, and blockshift should be false
22:22 <wrtlprnft> >… and not (self.bs == False)
22:22 <wrtlprnft> what about … and self.bs?
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22:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> why does configure (armagetron) complain about ftgl missing tho igot ftgl?
22:30 <wrtlprnft> uh
22:31 <wrtlprnft> i think the ftgl checking is quite weak right now
22:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :/
22:31 <wrtlprnft> as ftgl doesn't seem to have a working helper script for autoconf like other libs do
22:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> how do i fix it?
22:32 <wrtlprnft> well, the stuff that's checking is in src/configure.ac:679…
22:32 <wrtlprnft> as for fixing it, i dunno
22:33 <wrtlprnft> it probably
22:33 <wrtlprnft> a) doesn't find libftgl
22:33 <wrtlprnft> or
22:33 <wrtlprnft> b) it doesn't contain FT_Render_Glyph
22:34 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hrrmm
22:34 <wrtlprnft> for a) you might wanna run something like find /usr -name 'libftgl*'
22:35 <wrtlprnft> for b) you might wanna run something like nm /usr/<pathtolibftgl.*> | grep FT_Render_Glyph
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22:35 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: the point was that was wrong.  It reads like this to me:
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> True and not (False == False)  --->  True and not True
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> which should always evaluate to False, if I'm reading it right
22:36 <wrtlprnft> yeah
22:36 <wrtlprnft> anyways, that's too complicated :P
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but that's what "worked".  That is, it worked when I click "next", but if I let the song end on its own then the player stops
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> the problem is when a track ends, it needs to tell the player it's done so the player can start another one, and that needs to be different from when the user tells it to play the next song
22:37 <wrtlprnft> x_X
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> I think I might have fixed it by moving the code that calls the callback
22:37 <wrtlprnft> what does an alarm clock have to do with songs anyways?
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> seems like the inherent problem is a race condition
22:37 <wrtlprnft> are you trying to have it play your favorite songs to wake you up?
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> um, alarm clock goes off it plays music
22:38 <wrtlprnft> multiple tracks?
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22:38 <Lucifer_arma> well, yeah, if you don't wake up during the first song it should play another song, right?
22:38 <wrtlprnft> if you aren't awake after the first one you'd better keep on sleeping anyways
22:39 <GodTodd> your alarm clock is racist?
22:39 <GodTodd> that sucks
22:39 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:39 <DrJoeTron> does it not have a color display?
22:39 <GodTodd> <Lucifer_arma> seems like the inherent problem is a race condition
22:39 <DrJoeTron> zing!
22:39 <wrtlprnft> for colored people it just plays an annoying beep
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> you see two cars racing down the street and say "look, those cars are racist"?
22:40 <DrJoeTron> i do
22:40 <GodTodd> yep
22:40 <DrJoeTron> and i give them a talking to
22:40 <GodTodd> but only if they're having problems
22:40 <DrJoeTron> until one of them pulls a knife on me
22:40 <GodTodd> cuz then it's a "race problem"
22:40 <DrJoeTron> ha cha cha!
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> ok, time to get out the big guns
22:41  * Lucifer_arma searches python's site for mutex
22:41 <GodTodd> that actually explains a lot of why southerners like nascar ;)
22:41 <GodTodd> *zing*
22:42 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
22:42 <DrJoeTron> i love drag racing
22:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wrtlprnft: what can i do about b?
22:42 <DrJoeTron> nascar not so much
22:42 <GodTodd> so...you're a racist that likes transvestites?
22:42 <wrtlprnft> [Xpert]DarkStar: uh, what does the command for b) return?
22:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm well... it's a ><
22:43 <wrtlprnft> ><?
22:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> like X-D
22:43 <wrtlprnft> what does it do if you omit the grep part?
22:44  * wrtlprnft notes he wrote nm, not rm
22:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> show me the contents of /usr of course
22:44 <wrtlprnft> 22:35 <wrtlprnft> for b) you might wanna run something like nm /usr/<pathtolibftgl.*> | grep FT_Render_Glyph
22:44 <wrtlprnft> ?
22:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ah thought you were talking about a
22:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but what if there is no libftgl tho i emerged it?
22:45 <wrtlprnft> 22:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wrtlprnft: what can i do about b?
22:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yeah i know
22:45 <wrtlprnft> uh, there should be a libftgl somewhere...
22:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but as i did "emerge ftgl" i assumed it was there
22:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> which it is not
22:46 <wrtlprnft> well, it should be in /usr/lib
22:46 <wrtlprnft> whith a name befinning with libftgl
22:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it's not
22:46 <wrtlprnft> otherwise i suggest you look at the output of that emerge
22:46 <wrtlprnft> it tells you about every file it creates
22:47  * [Xpert]DarkStar is rerunning the emerge
22:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> besides the stuff in /usr/share/doc it only created one file
22:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar>  /usr/lib/pkgconfig/ftgl.pc
22:48 <wrtlprnft> then something went wrong with o
22:48 <wrtlprnft> *it
22:48 <wrtlprnft> not our fault, anyways
22:49  * wrtlprnft curses the guy who put the backspace key so close to return
22:49  * [Xpert]DarkStar curses at the guy who invented laptop keyboards
22:50 <wrtlprnft> ?
22:50 <wrtlprnft> mine is fune
22:50 -!- CraYSuPeRcOm [n=icechat5@adsl-65-69-71-88.dsl.kscymo.swbell.net] has joined #armagetron
22:50 <wrtlprnft> *fine
22:50 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> small keys and stuff...
22:50 <CraYSuPeRcOm> hoolaaa
22:50 <CraYSuPeRcOm> shello
22:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and the spacebar of my amilo is half dead
22:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hi CraYSuPeRcOm 
22:50  * wrtlprnft curses the guy who bound chat to s in arma ;)
22:50 <CraYSuPeRcOm> ji dark star
22:51 <CraYSuPeRcOm> lol
22:51 <DrJoeTron> s!
22:51 <wrtlprnft> sx_X
22:51 -!- Your_mom_arma [n=Jacob@pool-71-248-196-158.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net] has joined #armagetron
22:51 <DrJoeTron> hey
22:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and the damn soundcard in the laptop is dying too -.-
22:52 <CraYSuPeRcOm> i need some tweaks for armangetronad in linux, when running windows i get a stable 60fps, in linux "Suse10.1" i get a varible frame rate from 40-120, this is very naucious
22:53  * wrtlprnft gets a not–so–constant ~20fps
22:53  * CraYSuPeRcOm new to linux
22:53 <Your_mom_arma> hi
22:54 <CraYSuPeRcOm> hi mom
22:54 <DrJoeTron> time to see if someone wants to "become a lobster" today
22:54  * Lucifer_arma curses the guy who keeps cursing everybody
22:54 <CraYSuPeRcOm> any suggestions?
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, nauseous is spelled differently than that
22:55 <CraYSuPeRcOm> i know this man!
22:55 <DrJoeTron> i do
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> max all your settings and your fps should stabilize
22:55 <DrJoeTron> put windows on it :d
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> of course, it'll stabilize at the lowest possible fps...
22:55 <CraYSuPeRcOm> lol
22:55  * Lucifer_arma waits for wrtlprnft's nitpick
22:55 <wrtlprnft> CraYSuPeRcOm: i don't deal with that kind of framerate :P
22:55 <CraYSuPeRcOm> swhich was about 22fps, 
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> I don't have any useful suggestions, sorry
22:56 <CraYSuPeRcOm> dammit the S appeared again
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> what version is it?
22:56  * wrtlprnft nitpicks Lucifer_arma: It's “framerate”, guy!
22:56 <CraYSuPeRcOm>
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> er, you lost me after
22:56  * wrtlprnft loves these version numbers
22:57 <CraYSuPeRcOm>
22:57  * DrJoeTron wants more utilization of resources 
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> damn, 4 digits is too many!  Why'd we have to release one with 5?
22:57 <wrtlprnft>
22:57 <DrJoeTron> beta_5
22:57 <DrJoeTron> a typo was fixed in this version
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> I think there's a Riemann Sum in our version numbering
22:57 <wrtlprnft> ah
22:57 <CraYSuPeRcOm> rc6-190
22:58 <DrJoeTron> CraYSuPeRcOm what happened in that release?
22:58 <CraYSuPeRcOm> space ships
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> added gungan translation
22:58 <Your_mom_arma> i thought ther was som cos(pi) in our version number somewhere
22:58 <wrtlprnft> #g cos(pi)
22:58 <armabot> cos(pi) = -1
22:58 <wrtlprnft> duh
22:58 <Your_mom_arma> shhh
22:58 <wrtlprnft> sould have known that
22:58 <DrJoeTron> haha
22:58  * wrtlprnft was thinking real slow
22:58  * Lucifer_arma nitpicks wrtlprnft: you don't know that one by heart?
22:59 <wrtlprnft> well
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> quick, what's the cos(pi/4) ?
22:59 <wrtlprnft> #g cos(pi degrees)
22:59 <armabot> cos(pi degrees) = 0.99849715
22:59  * CraYSuPeRcOm slaps DrJoeTron with a Guppy Fish
22:59 <wrtlprnft> there ya go
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> nope
22:59 <wrtlprnft> 2^(-2)
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> nope
22:59  * DrJoeTron stomps on CraYSuPeRcOm's pinky toe
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> er, yep
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> heh
22:59 <wrtlprnft> no)
22:59 <wrtlprnft> 2^(-.5)
22:59 <wrtlprnft> x_X
22:59  * Lucifer_arma isn't so fast at rationalizing denominators
22:59 <wrtlprnft> stupid me
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> mmmm
22:59  * CraYSuPeRcOm Yells
23:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> sqrt(-2)
23:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> anyone for that?
23:00 <wrtlprnft> [Xpert]DarkStar: nope
23:00 <wrtlprnft> #g cos(5i+7)
23:00 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:00 <wrtlprnft> bah
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> there's no sqrt(-2) = cos(x)
23:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #q sqrt(-2)
23:00 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: Quote #4: "left vertical bar is brakes, right one is an early-90s roleplaying game made by White Wolf before they went all Magic: The Gathering happy -- armabot (markov)" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 06:24 AM, March 27, 2006)
23:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> err
23:00 <wrtlprnft> lol
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> hahahaha
23:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #g sqrt(-2)
23:00 <armabot> sqrt(-2) = 1.41421356 i
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> good answer, armabot 
23:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it's absolutely true
23:00 <wrtlprnft> #g (5i + 7) * (2i - 4)
23:00 <armabot> ((5 * i) + 7) * ((2 * i) - 4) = -38 - 6 i
23:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i = imaginary unit
23:00 <Lackadaisical> sqrt(2)*i
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> i = my penis
23:01 <wrtlprnft> it has a dot?
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> it's imaginary
23:01 <wrtlprnft> aaah
23:01 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Lucifer_arma: didnt know your penis was sqrt(-1) :P
23:01 <wrtlprnft> that's why you claim it's so big
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> well, it can't be represented with simple real numbers
23:01 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't even exist, so it can have any size
23:01 <wrtlprnft> ∞?
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> you need a vector!
23:02 <[Xpert]DarkStar> an imaginary size
23:02 <wrtlprnft> #g ∞ - (∞+1)
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> 10000000000000 + 100000000000000000i
23:02 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:02 <wrtlprnft> BAH!
23:02 <CraYSuPeRcOm> #g i/i
23:02 <armabot> i / i = 1
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> #g x/x
23:02 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:02 <Your_mom_arma> well pi is exactly 3 sooo
23:02 <wrtlprnft> #g o_O
23:02 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:02 <Lackadaisical> length of vector (i,0)  is 1
23:03 <wrtlprnft> #g (the answer to life universe and everything * i + the answer to live the universe and everything)^(the answer to life the universe and everything)
23:03 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:03 <wrtlprnft> !
23:03  * Lucifer_arma fears the day when we'll need an integral to figure out arma's current version
23:03 <wrtlprnft> #g ((the answer to life universe and everything) * i + (the answer to live the universe and everything))^((the answer to life the universe and everything))
23:03 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:03 <wrtlprnft> !!!!!
23:04 <wrtlprnft> #g ((the answer to life universe and everything) * i + (the answer to life the universe and everything))^((the answer to life the universe and everything))
23:04 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:04 <wrtlprnft> !!!!
23:04 <wrtlprnft> #g the answer to life the universe and everyhing
23:04 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:04 <wrtlprnft> #g the answer to life the universe and everything
23:04 <armabot> the answer to life the universe and everything = 42
23:04 <wrtlprnft> #g (the answer to life the universe and everything) * 2
23:04 <armabot> the answer to life the universe and everything * 2 = 84
23:04 <wrtlprnft> #g (the answer to life the universe and everything) * i
23:04 <armabot> the answer to life the universe and everything * i = 42 i
23:04 <wrtlprnft> #g (((the answer to life the universe and everything) * i) + the answer to life the universe and everything)
23:04 <armabot> (the answer to life the universe and everything * i) + the answer to life the universe and everything = 42 + 42 i
23:05 <wrtlprnft> #g (((the answer to life the universe and everything) * i) + the answer to life the universe and everything) ^ (the answer to life the universe and everything)
23:05 <armabot> ((the answer to life the universe and everything * i) + the answer to life the universe and everything)^the answer to life the universe and everything = 3.14847396 * 10^(74) i
23:05 <wrtlprnft> now why didn't that work the first time?
23:05 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #q the answer to life the universe and everything
23:05 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: Quote #15: "You see a body ripped appart, blood splatter on the ceiling, gore all over. Tell me, would you really suspect that worm making a run for it toward the door at 5 cm per minute? No you would not! - philippeqc" (added by n54 at 08:09 PM, April 25, 2006)
23:05 <[Xpert]DarkStar> damn it
23:05 <[Xpert]DarkStar> <<
23:05 <CraYSuPeRcOm> #g (3x+4y+6z)/(30*(Lucifer's Penis Size)
23:05 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:05 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #g the answer to life the universe and everything
23:05 <armabot> the answer to life the universe and everything = 42
23:05 <Your_mom_arma> #quote get 9
23:05 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Quote #9: "he eats a bowl of wheat stocks and small pebbles -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 04:28 PM, March 29, 2006)
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> #q
23:05 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #8: "master your own mind, otherwise the game will destroy you -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 04:27 PM, March 29, 2006)
23:06 <CraYSuPeRcOm> #news
23:06 <armabot> CraYSuPeRcOm: News for #armagetron: (#4) Armabot now has a message command; (#9) testbug
23:06 <CraYSuPeRcOm> #clock
23:06 <Lucifer_arma> that's really old news
23:06 <wrtlprnft> #g Lucifer_arma's penis size
23:06 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 1 * 10^(-100)
23:06 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #q
23:06 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: Quote #13: "<hang3r> How many microbuscity's does it take to change a light bulb?" (added by hang3r at 07:41 AM, March 31, 2006)
23:06 <Lucifer_arma> #help g
23:06 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (g <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "google calc".
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> #g penis size
23:07 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (google calc <expression>) -- Uses Google's calculator to calculate the value of <expression>.
23:07 <wrtlprnft> #g Lucifer_arma's penis size
23:07 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 1 * 10^(-100) centimetres
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> #g my penis size
23:07 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 1 * 10^(-100) centimetres
23:07 <Your_mom_arma> haha
23:07 <wrtlprnft> #g 1+2
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> I gotta see this on google
23:08 <wrtlprnft> #g 1+2
23:08 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
23:08 <wrtlprnft> ?!
23:08 <armabot> pong
23:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #g 1 + 2
23:08 <armabot> wrtlprnft: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
23:08 <Your_mom_arma> good luck finding the admin wrtlprnft ;-)
23:08 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 1 + 2 = 3
23:08 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: 1 + 2 = 3
23:08 <wrtlprnft> !
23:09 <wrtlprnft> #g the answer to life the universe and everything
23:09 <armabot> wrtlprnft: the answer to life the universe and everything = 42
23:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #g pi
23:09 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: 1 * 10^(-100) centimetres
23:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> sure?
23:09 <wrtlprnft> #g pi
23:09 <armabot> wrtlprnft: pi = 3.14159265
23:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #g pi
23:09 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: pi = 3.14159265
23:10 <Your_mom_arma> omg hax imho roflcopter bbq lollerskates
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> #g my penis size
23:10 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:10 <wrtlprnft> it gave up
23:10 <wrtlprnft> you won't learn it anyways
23:11 <Your_mom_arma> #g my dignity
23:11 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #g god
23:11 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #g darkstar
23:11 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> #google my penis size
23:11 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Search took 0.30 seconds: Google Answers: Penis size: <http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=2232>; The Definitive Penis Size Survey: <http://www.sizesurvey.com/quest.html>; Penis size answers | Quick answers | Men's Health: <http://www.menshealth.co.uk/answers/group.phtml?id=5>; Can I make my penis bigger? | Quick answers | Men's Health: (3 more messages)
23:11 <Your_mom_arma> creepy
23:12 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #google stfu
23:12 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: Search took 0.29 seconds: Flash » STFU: <http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/stfu.php>; stfu newbie - stupid noob: <http://www.starterupsteve.com/swf/stfunoob.html>; ThinkGeek :: STFU University: <http://www.thinkgeek.com/interests/backtoschool/78ae/>; ThinkGeek :: STFU: <http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/mugs/3788/>; STFU: <http://stfu.regicide.org/>; STFU : the Art of Lea Johnson: (1 more message)
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> that's not the same search results I got on google's frontend
23:12 <wrtlprnft> you using personalized search?
23:12 <[Xpert]DarkStar> now that amd owns ati...
23:12 <[Xpert]DarkStar> do i have to say i got an amd radeon 9600 in my laptop?
23:13 <ghableska> O_O
23:13 <Your_mom_arma> no because its pre established as the former brand?
23:14 <[Xpert]DarkStar> k
23:15  * [Xpert]DarkStar wonders why glxgears is running at fewer fps than q3 on this card...
23:15 <wrtlprnft> framerate!
23:15 <wrtlprnft> lower framerate, to be exact
23:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> details
23:15 <Your_mom_arma> first person shooter
23:16 <Your_mom_arma> flakey personal sharp-shooter
23:16 <[Xpert]DarkStar> fucking shit police
23:16 <[Xpert]DarkStar> err
23:16 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i mean
23:16 <[Xpert]DarkStar> fucking police shit
23:17 <[Xpert]DarkStar> just because an abbreviation is ambiguous dun mean you gotta play the master teacher damnit
23:17 <wrtlprnft> i don't care about it being ambiguous
23:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> you just need to comment it, eh?
23:18 <wrtlprnft> “frames per second” and “framerate” are totally different things
23:18 <wrtlprnft> and the ignorance about this fact annoys me
23:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> actually i still have no clue why glxgears is running at a lower framerate than q3
23:18 <Your_mom_arma> firm parchement syllabus
23:18 <wrtlprnft> abbreviate framerate frmrt or fre or whatever if you like
23:19 <wrtlprnft> [Xpert]DarkStar: uh, window size?
23:19 <wrtlprnft> also glxgears isn't exactly efficient
23:19 <[Xpert]DarkStar> glxgears at default window size
23:19 <Your_mom_arma> frivoulus redundent matriarchal resistant tanning
23:19 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and q3 at 1280x800
23:20 <Your_mom_arma> #cyborg fre
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> http://secure.condomania.com/
23:20 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: F.R.E.: Functional Robotic Entity
23:21 <Your_mom_arma> #cyborg frmrt
23:21 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: F.R.M.R.T.: Functional Robotic Machine Responsible for Troubleshooting
23:22  * Lucifer_arma intends to keep using fps the way he uses it just to annoy wrtlprnft 
23:22 <Your_mom_arma> #cyborg fps
23:22 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: F.P.S.: Facsimile Programmed for Sabotage
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> mostly because I'm annoyed by the level of nitpicking around here
23:23 -!- Lackadaisical [n=lack@ipd50aa335.speed.planet.nl] has quit ["Here I Go, To Save The Day!"]
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> my favorite fps is 60!
23:23 <wrtlprnft> “language should be spoken properly” o_O
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> my favorite inch is 5
23:23 <wrtlprnft> not that i liked that one
23:23 <wrtlprnft> /ignore Lucifer_arma 
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> my favorite centimeter is none
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> good, if he ignores me he'll also quit nitpicking me, bonus!
23:24 <Your_mom_arma> haha
23:24  * wrtlprnft nitpicks Lucifer_arma for no reason
23:24 <wrtlprnft> just for dun
23:24 <wrtlprnft> *fun
23:24 <Your_mom_arma> #quote get 4
23:24 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Quote #4: "left vertical bar is brakes, right one is an early-90s roleplaying game made by White Wolf before they went all Magic: The Gathering happy -- armabot (markov)" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 06:24 AM, March 27, 2006)
23:25 <wrtlprnft> anyways, you defined nitpicking as being annoying without offering a solution
23:25 <wrtlprnft> i do!
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> when did I define it as that?
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> #dict nitpicking
23:25 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: wn: nitpicking adj : quibbling over insignificant details; "caviling pettifoggers and quiggling pleaders"-Edmund Burke; "her nagging and carping attack"; "thought her editor unnecessarily nitpicking"; "a pettifogging lawyer's mind"; "had no patience with quibbling critics" [syn: {caviling}, {carping}, {pettifogging}, {quibbling}]
23:25 <Your_mom_arma> pettifogging
23:25 <Your_mom_arma> haha
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> #dict nitpick
23:26 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: wn and moby-thes responded: wn: nitpick v : be overly critical; criticize minor details; moby-thes: 40 Moby Thesaurus words for "nitpick": around the bush, beat about, beg the question, bicker, boggle, carp, catch at straws, cavil, choplogic, cut up, dodge, equivocate, evade, evade the issue, fault-find, fence, find fault, hedge, mystify, obscure, palter, parry, pettifog, pick holes, pick nits, (1 more message)
23:26 <wrtlprnft> well, that's just not minor!
23:26 <wrtlprnft> discussing some boring war in iraq is minor
23:26 <wrtlprnft> not
23:26 <Your_mom_arma> #dict pettifogging
23:26 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: wn and gcide responded: wn: pettifogging See {pettifog}; gcide: Pettifogging \Pet"ti*fog`ging\, n. Pettifoggery. [1913 Webster]; gcide: Pettifogging \Pet"ti*fog`ging\, a. Paltry; quibbling; mean. [1913 Webster]; wn: pettifog v : argue over petty things; "Let's not quibble over pennies" [syn: {quibble}, {niggle}, {bicker}, {squabble}, {brabble}] [also: {pettifogging}, {pettifogged}]; wn: (2 more messages)
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> ooo, that's a good one
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> to wife: Quit pettifogging with me!
23:27 <DrJoeTron> time to pl,ay some grid wars
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> don't you mean Grid Wars?
23:28 <ghableska> hehe
23:28 <[Xpert]DarkStar> picky picky ><
23:28 <DrJoeTron> dont you mean "Don't you mean GridWars?"?
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> don't you mean "don't you mean "Don't you mean GridWars?"?"?
23:29 <DrJoeTron> ah fuck it, i cant win any grammar battles unless they just installed the game and dont know how to type
23:29 <wrtlprnft> didn't you mean to use “these quotes”?
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> heh
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> at least you spelled grammar right, that would have annoyed wrtlprnft 
23:30 <DrJoeTron> hahaha!
23:30 <DrJoeTron> grid wars is on www.download.com
23:30 <Lucifer_arma> I guess I better go dish some washes
23:30 <DrJoeTron> thats funny to me
23:30  * wrtlprnft (nitpicks DrJoeTron): you mean “http://download.com/”?
23:31  * Lucifer_arma thinks programmers nitpick because they spend all day being nitpicked by a machine and need to get their frustration out on a real person
23:31 <DrJoeTron> nope, i meant what i said
23:31 <wrtlprnft> the “www” is useless, the “http://” is not
23:31 <DrJoeTron> i just opened up the window
23:31 <DrJoeTron> so i guess it isnt useless
23:31 <DrJoeTron> :D
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> works for me, too
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> use an irc client that isn't useless, willya?
23:32 <wrtlprnft> let's see
23:32 <wrtlprnft> #fetch www.download.com
23:32 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: 'www.download.com' is not a valid url.
23:32 <wrtlprnft> #fetch http://download.com/
23:32 <armabot> wrtlprnft: '\n\n\n\n\n\n\n<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">\n<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">\n<head>\n\n\n<title>Free Software Downloads and Software Reviews - Download.com</title>\n\n\n    <meta name="description" content="Find the software you\'re looking for at Download.com, the most comprehensive source for free-to- (5 more messages)
23:32 <wrtlprnft> there ya go
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> see what I mean?  he just got nitpicked by a machine
23:32 <DrJoeTron> wrtlprnft thats why we don't have robots doing our work
23:32 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #fetch http://www.download.com/
23:32 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: '\n\n\n\n\n\n\n<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">\n<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">\n<head>\n\n\n<title>Free Software Downloads and Software Reviews - Download.com</title>\n\n\n    <meta name="description" content="Find the software you\'re looking for at Download.com, the most comprehensive source for (5 more messages)
23:32 <wrtlprnft> the http:// tells you it's a url/uri
23:32 <wrtlprnft> the www. tels you nothing
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> that's the host
23:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> the :// does tell that in fact
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> it's not "nothing"
23:33 <wrtlprnft> www.asdf.com@wrtlprnft.de is a valid email address
23:33 <wrtlprnft> [Xpert]DarkStar: well, a http url
23:33 <wrtlprnft> [Xpert]DarkStar: if you know it's an URI but don't know the protocol you can't do anything with it
23:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ofc
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> is it really?  so if I put that on my website that gets crawled by spambots at high fps then they'll send email to that address?
23:33 <spidey> www. tells you world wide web
23:33 <spidey> :p
23:34 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: it's an useless relict of old times
23:34 <DrJoeTron> wrtlprnft you could always click the link, that works much faster than having it be nit picked by a bot
23:34 <spidey> why bitch about something, it doens't matter if it's downloads.com , http://downloads.com www.downloads.come , they all work
23:34 <Lucifer_arma> no it's not, it's useful to use as your webserver a host that says it is
23:34 <wrtlprnft> these days there's so many single IPs that host hundreds of different domains the www is really useless
23:34 <Lucifer_arma> just like people use ftp, gopher, irc, etc to signal what the server does
23:34 <wrtlprnft> #fetch downloads.com
23:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: 'downloads.com' is not a valid url.
23:34 <wrtlprnft> how does that work?
23:34 <spidey> fuck a irc bot
23:35 <spidey> put downloads.com in your browser
23:35 <spidey> it does load right?
23:35 <wrtlprnft> how do i know?
23:35 <DrJoeTron> fuck you armabot !
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> how does what work?  It just makes it easier for someone reading the host and shit to see what the server is for
23:35 <CraYSuPeRcOm> SPidey Play NIce
23:35 <wrtlprnft> i could put it into my ftp client
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23:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> spidey: i bet one can find a browser where it doesnt
23:35 <wrtlprnft> or my irc client
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> why would you point a web browser at http://ftp.someplace.com ?
23:35 <wrtlprnft> why not?
23:35 <DrJoeTron> thats not answering the question!
23:35 <spidey> lol
23:36 <wrtlprnft> so many times ftp.someplace.com and www.someplace.com point to the same IP…
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> because you can see in its name that it's intended to be an ftp server, so you can't expect a webserver to be there
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> so you have redundant names for the same IP address, big deal?
23:36 <wrtlprnft> well, if you say ftp://someplace.com/ I know for sure it's an FTP site!
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> er, different names for the same IP address, what's wrong with that?
23:36 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: that they don't tell me anything
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23:37 <DrJoeTron> they do if you click it
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> that's true, but there are still many programs that don't use the protocol part anyway and don't understand it
23:37 <DrJoeTron> its amazing what happens when you click it
23:37 <wrtlprnft> i don't even mind if someone tells me to go to http://ftp.someplace.com/
23:37 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: ?
23:37 <wrtlprnft> most browsers do
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> really?  but tht's clearly supposed to be a webserver.  You'll nitpick fps but not that?
23:37 <DrJoeTron> but god forbid if they put it www.someplace.com
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> I said "programs", and a browser is just one kind of program
23:37 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: i don't
23:38 <wrtlprnft> i hate if people say, “go to www.someplace.com”
23:38  * [Xpert]DarkStar is afk to brush teeth
23:38 <DrJoeTron> whats wrong with it
23:38 <DrJoeTron> you're actually typing less
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> that's gotta sound really bad with a german accent
23:38 <wrtlprnft> if they say, “go to http://www.someplace.com/” i'm fine
23:38  * spidey thinks wrtlprnft is turning into a Luke-Jr 
23:38 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: ever heard about copy and paste?
23:38  * Lucifer_arma agrees with spidey
23:38 <DrJoeTron> whats the point if it works
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I copy and paste "www.someplace.com"
23:38  * wrtlprnft thinks turning into Luke-Jr is way nicer than turning into spidey 
23:39 <spidey> not really
23:39 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: does it?
23:39 <DrJoeTron> yeah
23:39 <spidey> just means we all get to pick on you
23:39 <DrJoeTron> i clicked it and it went to the site
23:39 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: if it's http:// most IRC clients will make it a link
23:39 <Lucifer_arma> mine makes it a link and so does his
23:39 <wrtlprnft> the www. is a dirty hack
23:39 <spidey> if you didn't use a retarded irc client, you COULD click www.
23:39 <DrJoeTron> spidey's should work
23:39 <Lucifer_arma> well, www. indicates it's a webserver, so what's wrong with making it a link?
23:39 <spidey> mine does
23:39 <DrJoeTron> considering im on the same client
23:39 <spidey> :p
23:40 <spidey> either way
23:40 <spidey> right click the link
23:40 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: where's the standard that defines www.* as a http address?
23:40 <DrJoeTron> and it opens it
23:40 <spidey> "launch in webbrowser
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> it's by convention, following the same conventions people used for ftp, gopher, telnet, etc loooong before any of you guys were born
23:40 <spidey> lol
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think the geeks that brought the internet up from nothing into the 90s were too stupid to come up with good conventions, so I'm less likely to question some of the really old ones
23:40 <wrtlprnft> so we're hanging on that old standard?
23:40 <CraYSuPeRcOm> does anyone really use telnet anymore
23:41 <wrtlprnft> i do if netcat isn't installed
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> I know of a couple of eBBSes that require telnet to connect
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> none of them have anybody younger than 30 on them, though :)
23:41 <wrtlprnft> though i've never used it for remote login
23:42 <DrJoeTron> wrtlprnft does the web site not open up for you when you click it im taking it?
23:42 <CraYSuPeRcOm> i used it at school in1999-2001
23:42 <CraYSuPeRcOm> sbut never agian
23:42 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: it never does :P
23:42 <spidey> i'm going to play warrock, tell me when Luke-Jr has lost control of wrtlprnft's brain
23:43  * wrtlprnft is using a console client
23:43 <DrJoeTron> well then that would make perfect sense
23:43 <wrtlprnft> but it's easier to copy and paste with the http
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> he's just complaining because it doesn't work for him, and everybody should change their ways to accomodate him
23:43 <wrtlprnft> opera's irc client doesn't turn www.something into links either, btw
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> of course, I can just do a simple select->middle-click to deal with it (which I do anyway because my irc client doesn't open firefox for some reason)
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> too bad opera's not free software, you could change that
23:44 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: why would you?
23:44 <wrtlprnft> they've got a good reason not to support www.something
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> um, actually, I wouldn't.  I'd use a good browser instead
23:44 <wrtlprnft> it's a dirty hack after all
23:44 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: well, that's conflicting
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> you're saying that adware wouldn't use a dirty hack?
23:44 <wrtlprnft> adware?
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> adware, opera's adware
23:44 <wrtlprnft> ?!
23:44 <wrtlprnft> not.
23:45 <CraYSuPeRcOm> just change progrmas
23:45 <spidey> DrJoeTron, warrock?
23:45 <wrtlprnft> CraYSuPeRcOm: who?
23:45 <wrtlprnft> CraYSuPeRcOm: and why?
23:45 <Lucifer_arma> I'll admit it's been a couple of years since I last used opera, but last time I used it they took 2/3 of my screen to place ads
23:45 <DrJoeTron> spidey nah, i need more ram to play anything 
23:45 <wrtlprnft> CraYSuPeRcOm: what is my program doing wrong?
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> so I deleted it and said "I don't use adware"
23:46 <spidey> nah
23:46 <spidey> i play warrock on 512mb just fine
23:46 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: well, that changed
23:46 <DrJoeTron> i can play most games
23:46 <DrJoeTron> just not bf2
23:46 <DrJoeTron> because ea makes crap
23:46 <wrtlprnft> and anyways, i paid for a license as opera rocked even then
23:46 <CraYSuPeRcOm> ]what is warrock?
23:46 <spidey> DrJoeTron, then lets play warrock :p
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> and you didn't get the source?  sounds like you got ripped off
23:46 <DrJoeTron> nah
23:46 <spidey> :/
23:47 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: ?
23:47 <wrtlprnft> i got a license to get rid of the ads
23:47 <spidey> that's immoral software man!
23:47 <wrtlprnft> ?!
23:47 <Lucifer_arma> heh, with all these good free browsers, you paid to get rid of ads
23:47 <Lucifer_arma> and you nitpick us?  heh
23:47 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: first of all, firefox didn't exist back then
23:48 <Lucifer_arma> sure it did, it was called Mozilla
23:48 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: second, firefox doesn't qualify as a good browser for me
23:48 <wrtlprnft> oh, yeah
23:48 <wrtlprnft> that memory–eating, lame–ass thing?
23:48 <Lucifer_arma> I've been using it since about 0.93 or so
23:48 <wrtlprnft> whith that stylish dark gray user interface!
23:48 <wrtlprnft> gotta love it!
23:48 <Lucifer_arma> you know, mozilla's been themeable since it was brand new
23:49 <spidey> lol
23:49 <wrtlprnft> to eat even more ram and be even more slow
23:49 <wrtlprnft> ?
23:49 <spidey> ....
23:49 <Lucifer_arma> it's raging fast these days
23:49 <spidey> mine's at default and it looks just like any other window
23:49 <wrtlprnft> well, i can theme opera like that too
23:49 <wrtlprnft> just load some 500MB files into it
23:49 <Lucifer_arma> really?  you can use simple javascript with opera to write large complex applications?
23:49 <spidey> memory eating? it only uses 42mb
23:50 <wrtlprnft> i wouldn't cast something that takes five seconds to render some PNG fast
23:50 <wrtlprnft> spidey: same here, if i don't open a page
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> ?
23:50 <DrJoeTron> firefox.eze is using 17,992 K under memory usage
23:50 <wrtlprnft> though i didn't get past 30, it crashed
23:50 <DrJoeTron> exe*
23:50 <spidey> wrtlprnft, your fault
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> I've had firefox running on this machine for about 3 days nonstop now...
23:51 <spidey> runs just fine for me, and doesn't get above 45mb no matter how many windows open
23:51 <spidey> windows/tabs
23:51 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: lame
23:51 <DrJoeTron> but wrtlprnft was right, back then it was really slow
23:51 <wrtlprnft> i sometimes get it to weeks
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> lame how?
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> firefox?  that's great!
23:51 <wrtlprnft> no
23:51 <spidey> haha
23:51 <wrtlprnft> opera
23:51  * Lucifer_arma notes he has to turn off his computer to take it to school
23:51 <spidey> wrtlprnft, can you tweak opera?
23:51 <wrtlprnft> spidey: sure
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> so if you consider that "lame", I'd hate to hear what you think is cool
23:52 <spidey> you can make it load pages faster?
23:52 <DrJoeTron> i didnt like opera
23:52 <wrtlprnft> though you get spared of that conflicting extension hell
23:52 <spidey> you can change the all round browser settings?
23:52 <wrtlprnft> spidey: turn off images and stylesheets :P
23:52 <DrJoeTron> extension hell?
23:52 <wrtlprnft> well
23:52 <spidey> that doesn't count
23:52 <DrJoeTron> what extension hell
23:52 <wrtlprnft> have some extension
23:52 <wrtlprnft> then update ff
23:52 <DrJoeTron> for firefox?
23:52 <wrtlprnft> then notice your extension isn't yet updated
23:52 <Lucifer_arma> is that becase opera doesn't support extensions?
23:52 <DrJoeTron> really? see i just updated my client for firefox
23:52 <DrJoeTron> everything is working fine
23:52 <wrtlprnft> so downgrade again even though the old version has a security hole
23:53 <DrJoeTron> all of me extensions
23:53 <wrtlprnft> then notice it still doesn't work
23:53 <DrJoeTron> they work just fine
23:53 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: from 1.0 to 1.5?
23:53 -!- CraYSuPeRcOm [n=icechat5@adsl-65-69-71-88.dsl.kscymo.swbell.net] has quit ["The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese"]
23:53 <DrJoeTron> havent checked
23:53 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, 
23:53 <spidey> bout:config   put that in firefox :p
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: 
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> put About:Mozilla in IE
23:54 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it's about:Netscape heh
23:54 <spidey> i don't use IE
23:54 <wrtlprnft> oh, opera's overall size together with mail client and everything you need extensions in firefox for is way smaller than ff alone
23:54  * Lucifer_arma notes they probably pulled that particular easter egg out a long time ago
23:54 <wrtlprnft> spidey: opera:config put that in opera
23:54 <spidey> only someone retarded would run IE in wine to
23:54 <spidey> :)
23:54 <Lucifer_arma> well of course not, it doesn't do half of what firefox does
23:54 <Lucifer_arma> the thing is, you're only seeing a web browser
23:54 <wrtlprnft> spidey: only some retard would run a real windows
23:54 <Lucifer_arma> so you judge it on that
23:55 <spidey> wrtlprnft, don't bitch because you don't know how to use windows
23:55 <wrtlprnft> on rendering acid2?
23:55 <wrtlprnft> spidey: i do
23:55 <spidey> and linux is a easy fallback
23:55 <Lucifer_arma> no, you judge it solely on what you see, which is the web browser
23:55 <Lucifer_arma> didn't I say that already?
23:55 <wrtlprnft> well, what do i see?
23:55 <wrtlprnft> i see something i could switch with IE immediately
23:55 <wrtlprnft> not much different
23:55 <Lucifer_arma> firefox under the hood is some pretty complex and featureful stuff
23:56 <wrtlprnft> you think opera isn't?
23:56 <Lucifer_arma> yes
23:56 <DrJoeTron> when you download firefox, your getting nothing more than a block of wood
23:56 <wrtlprnft> oh, really
23:56 <wrtlprnft> does it support webforms2?
23:56 <DrJoeTron> they give you a bunch of tools to make it into something rad
23:56 <Lucifer_arma> beats me
23:56 <wrtlprnft> does it support server–fed events?
23:56 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: it doesn't
23:56 <DrJoeTron> i love my extensions
23:56 <Lucifer_arma> beats me
23:56 <wrtlprnft> o well
23:57 <wrtlprnft> i went through all the stuff i use in opera that ff doesn't have
23:57 <Lucifer_arma> what I do know is that a more proper comparison would be to compare firefox to Qt
23:57 <wrtlprnft> it requires me to install like 15 extensions
23:57 <DrJoeTron> i have 2
23:57 <wrtlprnft> oh, gtk sucks anyways
23:57 <Lucifer_arma> but that's still not quite a fair comparison
23:57 <DrJoeTron> one for ftp's
23:57 <DrJoeTron> one for turning flash off
23:57 <DrJoeTron> thats all ive needed
23:57 <Lucifer_arma> maybe if you compared it to like pyQt instead
23:58 <wrtlprnft> one for turning flash off? wow, that's a big feature
23:58 <wrtlprnft> one that opera has since… well, since flash exists
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I just don't install flash :)
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> no need to turn off what you didn't bother to install in the first place!
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> and it works in every single browser!  Except IE
23:59 <spidey> ie sucks anyways
23:59 <wrtlprnft> that's true
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> probably doesn't work in Opera either, but don't know that for a fact
23:59 <Your_mom_arma> i only use text based web browsers
23:59 <wrtlprnft> ?
23:59 <wrtlprnft> opera comes in two downloads
23:59 <wrtlprnft> one with flash, one without
23:59 <wrtlprnft> the one with flash is just a normal opera installer that runs the flash installer afterwards anyways
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> actually I might have flash installed right now, heh

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