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Log from 2006-09-02:
--- Day changed Sat Sep 02 2006
00:00 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:00 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:13 <spidey> MaZuffeR, 
00:13 <MaZuffeR> yes?
00:13 <spidey> sup :)
00:15 <MaZuffeR> i'm playing 4 team fortress atm, it's quite fun
00:15 <spidey> heh
00:16 <spidey> you should play warrock :p
00:21 <MaZuffeR> i don't enjoy that type of games very much
00:22 <spidey> ;p
00:25 <[Xpert]DarkStar> anyone got an idea why the front audio out of my laptop (fujitsu siemens amilo d 1840) is not working?
00:27 <spidey> o.o
00:35 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: know any sane way in C++ to do it?
00:35 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: without implmenting a factory for every class and property
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00:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #night
00:51 <armabot> Good night [Xpert]DarkStar!
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01:27 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6138 /private/nemostultae/ruby/armagetronad/ (6 files in 5 dirs):
01:27 <armabot> armagetronad: - Removed some debug output
01:27 <armabot> armagetronad: - Added note about how to make dyld fail
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02:53 <spidey> haha
02:53 <spidey> i got the unlitmate spam bot -_-
02:53 <spidey> there's a bot for soldat servers that spam the console output in a irc channel
03:10 <DrJoeTron> you know what sucls?
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03:17 <spidey> ?
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04:00 <spidey> omg
04:00 <spidey> i found another luke-jr_ 
04:00 <spidey> this world's going to hell now
04:11 <GodTodd> it wasn't before?
04:12 <spidey> 2 luke-jr_ 's makes it happen twice as fast
04:13 <GodTodd> well...if they're here then i'll go gladly ;)
04:13 <spidey> oh gawd
04:13 <spidey> no way i'm telling him about this channel
04:13 <spidey> luke-jr_, + his twin = suicide
04:13 <GodTodd> what channel?
04:14 <spidey> it's on a private server
04:14 <GodTodd> ahh
04:48 <spidey> hmm
04:48 <spidey> anyone heard of react os?
04:49 <spidey> it's open source and runs windows nt apps and drivers
04:49 <spidey> o.o
04:49 <arctanx> I've heard of reactos
04:49 <arctanx> looked at the website
04:49 <arctanx> crazy stuff
04:49 <arctanx> if they get it going it will be utterly awesome
04:50  * arctanx wonders if they have TCP support yet
04:51 <spidey> hmm
04:51 <spidey> lets see
04:51 <arctanx> ooh
04:51 <arctanx> wiki article says 0.3 has full TCP/IP support
04:52 <spidey> i'm downloading mirc
04:52 <spidey> :p
04:53 <spidey> vmware's using 278mb and i still got 100mb free
04:53 <spidey> o.o
04:57 <spidey> hmm
04:57 <spidey> doesn't seem to be able to resolve domains properally
05:04 <spidey> it has tcp support
05:04 <spidey> but it sucks
05:08 <Your_mom_arma> just saw the article on digg spidey
05:09 <Your_mom_arma> looked around
05:09 <Your_mom_arma> would be nice if they had a livecd
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05:11 <spidey> digg?
05:11 <spidey> and they do have a live cd
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05:12 <spidey> wtf
05:12 <spidey> mirc isn't opening a window
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05:16 <spidey> vmware loves my processor
05:22 <spidey> ok
05:22 <spidey> that os sucks
05:23 <spidey> maybe in a few years i'll try it again
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> reactos is going to take awhile, but last I heard they were moving along nicely
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.xprizecup.com/  <--- I guess they haven't finished building the space port, heh
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05:41 <TiTnAsS> SUPERTARD!
05:44 <Your_mom_arma> find a billionaire willing to spend it all to be the first man on mars. problem solved
05:45 <Your_mom_arma> probobly someone who made thier money on oil since they'll have the most liquid assets
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.spaceportamerica.com/locate.html   <--- not far from my parents' house
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> haha
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> man, all that exhaust from the LOX rockets has got to be good for NM :)
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> if that spaceport takes off, my old home in Alamogordo might become prime real estate
05:46 <Your_mom_arma> they could be the first desert area with more smog then L.A.
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> the exhaust from a LOX rocket is water
05:47 <Your_mom_arma> awww
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> it's hydrogen and oxygen.  :)
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> of course, that's until Virgin Galactic takes off with their fuckin' rubber rocket engine :/
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> I did think that space port ws going to be put closer to Alamogordo, though.  Kinda too bad, but it should still get some residual traffic.
05:55 <GodTodd> bah...now i have casey luna's damn car song in my head, thanks :/
05:55 <GodTodd> heh
06:00  * Lucifer_arma doesn't want to know if he's familiar with that song
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: have you written anything this week?  ;)
06:01  * Lucifer_arma is about to add something he already wrote again, heh
06:06 <GodTodd> ummm...not completely...was going to finish up one this weekend :)
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> ko.  I'll put mine up tonight so when you have one, you finally get to be first on the front page.  :)
06:15 <luke-jr_> spidey: there is only one Luke-Jr
06:15 <luke-jr_> spidey: ReactOS is a rewrite of Windows NT under a moral license
06:23 <Your_mom_arma> so do you hate react os about half as much as you hate windows?
06:24 <Your_mom_arma> freeciv?
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> not my server tonight, it's updating itself right now
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> and I'm going to bed in a bit, class in the morning
06:26 <Your_mom_arma> luci do you have eny examples of that auto template extension you posted?
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> auto template extension?  er, you mean the menu thing for the wiki?
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> or the txt2tags for documentation?
06:28 <Your_mom_arma> menu
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> no, I don't, sorry.  I'll install it on the wiki real quick.  I was looking into getting the doxy-generated api docs onto the wiki :)
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06:40 <Your_mom_arm1> bah
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> ok, installed that thing
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> how to use it is listed on the linked page.  You might want to just start fooling with the Sections template with it.  :)
06:47 <spidey> luke-jr_, this is where i tell you to take your moral speach and shove it :D
06:48 <spidey> and yes i know what reactos is,it just needs a few more years before it's worth installing
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06:51 <spidey> Your_mom_arma, wanna play freeciv?
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07:13 <spidey> o.o
07:14 <spidey> appearently my shitty typing fucked something up in the code to my forum.php page
07:14 <spidey> but i can't find it :/
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07:24 <spidey> deja_vu, 
07:25 <spidey> liar
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08:21 <deja_vu> spidey: weirdo
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09:49 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: make three new tValues: one holds a class pointer (template) and offers a non–virtual function to get it. Another one holds a function pointer within that class and too offers a function to get it. A third one holds two vValues of the other types, dynamic_cast<>s them to what they should be. If it fails it returns 0 or whatever, if it succeeds it calls the function pointer for the class and returns that result
09:50 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: for best results make all three of them templates.
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12:49  * Vanhayes breaks the 2 hours of silence 
12:49 <Vanhayes> #morning
12:49 <armabot> Good Morning Vanhayes Random Fortune: QOTD: || "I used to jog, but the ice kept bouncing out of my glass."
12:54 <wrtlprnft> morning
12:56 <wrtlprnft> anyways, i count 3 hours of silence
13:09 <Vanhayes> heh well I just woke up, im surprised I was only an hour off
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13:39 <spidey> O.o
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14:18 <spidey> cya in a day or 2
14:28 <wrtlprnft> good
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14:30 <spidey> wrtlprnft, i'm still here!
14:31 <spidey> i'ma make my bnc log so i can grep anything with spidey, retard, annoying and anything else i can think of :p
14:35 <wrtlprnft> spidey and retard are synonyms anyways :Þ
14:35 <spidey> bah
14:35 <wrtlprnft> retard: cya
14:36 <spidey> i'ma make my client replace your name with asshole
14:36 <spidey> -_-
14:37 <wrtlprnft> you're a wrtlprnft spidey 
14:37 <spidey> what's a wrtlprnft ?
14:38 <wrtlprnft> a Nice Guy™
14:38 <spidey> i knew you loved me
14:40 <spidey> when i get home i think i'ma read on perl scripting
14:40 <wrtlprnft> perl sucks.
14:41 <spidey> bye
14:41 <wrtlprnft> good.
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15:50 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: and none of that helps the problem...
15:50 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-216-188-42.client.mchsi.com] has joined #Armagetron
15:51 <luke-jr_> eg, how to lookup class or function+arginfo from a string name
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16:52 <joda_bot> test
16:52 <luke-jr_> no
16:53 <luke-jr_> it didn't work
16:53 <luke-jr_> test failed
16:53 <joda_bot> asdsasd
16:53 <nemostultae> anonymous, joda? (tor) ;)
16:54 <joda_bot> aha ;)
16:54 <joda_bot> hehe
16:54 <joda_bot> Just upgraded my router to openwrt
16:54 <joda_bot> now wpa2 wlan works and also tor + privoxy on it
16:54 <luke-jr_> not IPv6 yet tho, eh?
16:55 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6139 /private/nemostultae/ruby/armagetronad/src/ (6 files in 3 dirs):
16:55 <armabot> armagetronad: - Added interface file for tString
16:55 <armabot> armagetronad: - Refactored tRuby — tRuby::Sandbox, tRuby::Safe, tRuby::Eval for those without sandbox. Sandbox::Load is not functioning.
16:55 <armabot> armagetronad: - turned on director for abstract class tPath. ArmagetronAd::Tools::Directories.var.get_write_path("blah") works now.
16:55 <joda_bot> not installed yet
16:55 <armabot> armagetronad: - Comment on the two lines indicated in tools.i for dyld not to crash. (#$@*#&)
16:55 <joda_bot> I'd still like to have to rotating user agent support for privoxy
16:56 <joda_bot> but it requires "perl" and microperl just fails to handle use strict and stuff... quite useless to me then
16:59 <joda_bot> brb
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17:06 <madmax|pt> Hello
17:08 <ghableska> hi madmax|pt
17:10 <madmax|pt> AW people: any ideas about the >8 number of players for the ladle?
17:10 <ghableska> oh
17:10 <ghableska> hmm
17:11 <ghableska> is 2020 playing?
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17:11 <MaZuffeR> I wont play if we have enough players
17:12 <ghableska> we need you :P
17:12 <rain> hi programs
17:12 <ghableska> hi rain
17:12 <madmax|pt> i think he is, havent seen him the last days though
17:12 <ghableska> yeah
17:12 <ghableska> I thought he was in malta...
17:12 <MaZuffeR> 2020 played ctf earlier today
17:12 <ghableska> oh
17:13 <rain> so, what about the problem that we are 11?
17:13 <madmax|pt> anyone knows if Van is playing?
17:14 <rain> with van 12
17:14 <ghableska> he hasn't signed up...
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17:15 <ghableska> O_o
17:15 <rain> what do you think about build 2 teams?
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17:16 <Lackadaisical> hey
17:16 <rain> hey lack
17:17 <madmax|pt> well, right now we're 11
17:17 <Lackadaisical> we could try to make two teams instead of 1 aw team
17:17 <Lackadaisical> and thats excluding zop and other people who tend to play but dont sign up
17:17 <rain> that is what I was saying
17:18 <rain> we are too many
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17:19 <Lackadaisical> hi sticky
17:19 <Sticky> ay
17:19 <Sticky> hay
17:19 <rain> well, there was a lot af players signed up last time too, but only 4 showed up...
17:19 <madmax|pt> (gathering the gang)
17:19 <rain> hi sticky
17:20 <ghableska> not everyone on the list will show up...
17:20 <ghableska> so there'll probably be room
17:20 <Sticky> was just saying to madmax, judging by the players you have signed up i wouldnt get into the top 8 so i dont mind being dropped if we are over quota on the night
17:20 <Lackadaisical> well i don't really see alot of people who tend to not show up
17:20 <Sticky> but i thought i would make myself available if there is any need
17:21 <ghableska> Sticky :)
17:22 <rain> we should fix a meeting for tomorrow, after the ladle
17:22 <Sticky> do we know who the first game is yet
17:22 <rain> so we can see who we are
17:22 <rain> the last is at 9 gmt
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17:22 <rain> the first around 8 maybe
17:23 <ghableska> hm
17:23 <ghableska> does anyone else have Skype?
17:23 <rain> we could meet at 8 gmt on my server if you agree
17:23 <Sticky> yup
17:23 <rain> I have skype
17:24 <rain> but not here
17:24 <Lackadaisical> next ladle we need more open teams
17:24 <ghableska> Lackadaisical: what do you mean?
17:24 <ghableska> not restricted by clans?
17:24 <Sticky> yeah i though that
17:24 <rain> and a better organization
17:24 <Lackadaisical> just teams where everyone can register for like aw
17:24 <ghableska> ah
17:24 <madmax|pt> wait, the ladle games start at 9GMT right?
17:25 <ghableska> I thought that's when it ends...
17:25 <Lackadaisical> i think alot of people would be willing to play, but making a new team might seem too much hassle
17:25 <ghableska> probably
17:25 <Sticky> if you do only have one open team it becomes all clans vs the best of the rest
17:25 <rain> last game is at 9 gmt
17:25 <ghableska> ok
17:25 <Lackadaisical> the finals are played at 9pm
17:25 <madmax|pt> oh crap
17:25 <ghableska> ?
17:25 <madmax|pt> ok, so the first games are at ?
17:25 <rain> dunno
17:25 <rain> maybe 8?
17:26 <ghableska> well if no one knows...
17:26 <ghableska> won't it get chaotic?
17:26 <ghableska> when is Z-Man putting up his server, anyway?
17:26 <luke-jr_> ghableska: Skype sucks
17:26 <rain> it is up right now
17:26 <ghableska> luke-jr_: it's decent :)
17:26 <luke-jr_> ghableska: sucks
17:26 <Lackadaisical> the whole ladle part of the wiki is becoming a maze
17:26 <rain> lol
17:26 <ghableska> heh
17:27 <madmax|pt> i can't see when are the first games...
17:27 <rain> lucifer likes mazes, we know
17:27 <madmax|pt> hm... theres this "They [captains] will meet at the Challenge Room at 6.45, 7.30, 8.15 and 9 to..."
17:27 <rain> it isnt fixed
17:27 <ghableska> "The next Tronic Ladle Final is at 9pm GMT on Sun 3rd September(US: 5pm EDT, 3pm MDT, 4pm CDT, UK: 10pm BST, DE: 23:00 CEST)"
17:28 <Lackadaisical> thats the final yes
17:28 <rain> anyway, can we meet tomorrow?
17:28 <madmax|pt> if it starts before +/-8GMT its on top of my dinner time
17:28 <rain> lol
17:28 <wrtlprnft> it's tomorrow, right?
17:28 <madmax|pt> yes
17:28 <rain> right
17:29 <ghableska> heh
17:29 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: how doesn't it? What IS the problem?
17:30 <Lackadaisical> ok we meet before the ladle begins? on rains server?
17:31 <Lackadaisical> which server is that, rain?
17:31 <rain> the name is simply "Fortress"
17:31 <ghableska> ok
17:31 <Sticky> ok
17:31 <ghableska> so when should we meet?
17:31 <rain> 7.30? 8.00?
17:31 <ghableska> gmt?
17:31 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: there's no easy way to turn a tString into a class/function reference
17:31 <rain> yes
17:31 <ghableska> ok
17:31 <Lackadaisical> well there are gonna be three rounds with 4+ teams
17:32 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: or rather, it's impossible without using ugly hacks in C++ it seems
17:32 <Lackadaisical> so we need to gather before 7.30
17:32 <ghableska> ok
17:32 <rain> ok 7.00?
17:32 <ghableska> sure
17:32 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: well, of course you need some way to map strings to pointers
17:32 <Sticky> yeah Wiki currently states 7.30 as start time
17:32 <wrtlprnft> the class part would be a function pointer to a function that returns a reference to an object
17:32 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: should be built into C++ =p
17:32 <rain> 7.00gmt on my server, called Fortress, all agree?
17:32 <ghableska> agreed
17:33 <wrtlprnft> sure
17:33 <Lackadaisical> isnt Vanhayes gonna play?
17:33 <rain> dunno
17:33 <Sticky> yes
17:33 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: string representations of classes/functions are all available at run time
17:33 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: not necessarily
17:33 <rain> ok, see you all tomorrow
17:33 <rain> bye
17:34 <Lackadaisical> hey why did someone take my name of the list :(
17:34 <wrtlprnft> of course you could try using typeid(someclassptr).name()
17:34 <wrtlprnft> cya
17:34 <Lackadaisical> ghableska: why did you take my name of the list?
17:34 <ghableska> ?
17:34 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: um, yes...
17:35 <Lackadaisical> guess it was an accident
17:35 <ghableska> I haven't touched the wiki :P
17:35 <Lackadaisical> 	* ghableska (not captain) I nominate gari. :P
17:35 <Lackadaisical> you didnt write that?
17:35 <ghableska> hmm, oh yes
17:35 <ghableska> I only changed that though...
17:35 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: objdump -T /lib/libdl.so.2
17:36 <madmax|pt> show him the diff!
17:36 <madmax|pt> lol
17:36 <Lackadaisical> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=LADLE_team-lists&diff=15269&oldid=15265
17:36 <ghableska> eek, sorry about that
17:36 <ghableska> didn't notice :X
17:36 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: i know
17:37 <wrtlprnft> anyways, WTF is SPE
17:37 <madmax|pt> the ladle actually starts at 7:30 GMT?
17:37 <luke-jr_> #wtf SPE
17:37 <Lackadaisical> madmax|pt: yes
17:37 <wrtlprnft> referring to http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=87911#87911
17:37 <Vanhayes> hello
17:37 <Lackadaisical> unless we dont have to play the first round
17:37 <madmax|pt> hi Van
17:37 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
17:37 <Vanhayes> im not playing this ladle
17:38 <ghableska> oh :(
17:38 <wrtlprnft> “…http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=87911#87911”
17:38 <wrtlprnft> hi Vanhayes 
17:38 <wrtlprnft> err
17:38 <Lackadaisical> then we start at 2000 gmt
17:38 <Vanhayes> hey wrtlprnft 
17:38 <ghableska> Lackadaisical: should I put you back on the list?
17:38 <wrtlprnft> “…But in SPE it says:”
17:38 <Lackadaisical> ill do it
17:38 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: Society of Petroleum Engineers
17:38 <ghableska> ok, again, sorry
17:38 <Vanhayes> school starts tuesday and I have alot to do so good luck
17:38 <Vanhayes> hope AW wins again
17:38 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: please, i looked up the wikipedia entry myself
17:38 <wrtlprnft> i need something that makes sense
17:39 <luke-jr_> that was google actually :)
17:39 <wrtlprnft> well, whatever
17:39 <nemostultae> http://stani.be/python/spe/blog/
17:39 <wrtlprnft> ty
17:39  * Vanhayes walks off again
17:40  * wrtlprnft emerges it to see if he can fix it
17:40 <wrtlprnft> cya Vanhayes 
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17:41 <wrtlprnft> urgh. a 21 MB download with depencencies. as if i hadn't enough packages on this system
17:41 <madmax|pt> why isnt it starting at 9pm :/
17:41 <wrtlprnft> it is starting at 9pm gmt, right?
17:42 <ghableska> ending or starting?
17:42 <luke-jr_> <Lackadaisical> then we start at 2000 gmt
17:42 <wrtlprnft> now you got me confused
17:42 <luke-jr_> 2000 = 20:00 = 8 PM
17:42 <wrtlprnft> that's the AW training if i got that right
17:43 <luke-jr_> dunnoi
17:43 <luke-jr_> <madmax|pt> the ladle actually starts at 7:30 GMT?
17:43 <luke-jr_> <Lackadaisical> madmax|pt: yes
17:43 <wrtlprnft> now you got me seriously confused
17:44 <madmax|pt> seems like the final is played at 9pm
17:44 <luke-jr_> I hear the wiki's a maze
17:44 <wrtlprnft> yeah
17:44 <madmax|pt> well, concerning this "the ladle actually starts at 7:30 GMT?"
17:44 <madmax|pt> found that -> "the ladle actually starts at 7:30 GMT?"
17:44 <madmax|pt> oops
17:44 <madmax|pt> lol
17:44 <madmax|pt> -> Team Captains should register at 6.45, 7.30, 8.15 and 9pm GMT. That is, at the beginning of every round...
17:44 <ghableska> O_O
17:44 <ghableska> 6:45 now?
17:44 <wrtlprnft> someone should catch 2020 and drag him in here
17:45 <madmax|pt> according to http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Challenge_Room
17:45 <Lackadaisical> just three rounds with the amount of teams registered
17:45 <madmax|pt> i see
17:45 <Lackadaisical> with six teams two teams start at 8.15, two others start at 7.30
17:45 <Lackadaisical> four others
17:46 <wrtlprnft> > Team Captains use the chat-room to register their team: their team is assembled at the appropriate server and they are ready to play. Team Captains should register at 6.45, 7.30, 8.15 and 9pm GMT. That is, at the beginning of every round...
17:46 <wrtlprnft> i think this is for the 2nd ladle...
17:47 <madmax|pt> glup
17:47 <Lackadaisical> the second ladle started at 9 pm gmt
17:47 <wrtlprnft> x_X
17:48 <wrtlprnft> well, i'll try to be here 26 hours, then hopefully 2020 will be here too
17:48 <wrtlprnft> or no, he won't :s
17:49  * ghableska sent a pm to 2020
17:49  * madmax|pt has a headache, not because of the Ladle though
17:49 <ghableska> :-/
17:49 <wrtlprnft> now someone tell me why this download is going at 30KB/s
17:50 <ghableska> *shrugs*
17:50 <madmax|pt> is spidey alive?
17:50 <wrtlprnft> i need wxpython to see if iDiot's problem has somthing to do with SPE
17:50  * ghableska pokes spidey
17:50 <wrtlprnft> madmax|pt: luckily no
17:50 <madmax|pt> lol
17:50 <wrtlprnft> 14:18 <spidey> cya in a day or 2
17:50  * wrtlprnft hopes it's 2 days or 3
17:50  * wrtlprnft knows he's mean
17:51 <ghableska> heh
17:51 <wrtlprnft> 15BK/s now…
17:52 <luke-jr_> wtf is BK
17:53 <MaZuffeR> burger king?
17:53 <luke-jr_> spidey was thinking about leaving altogether (the internet)
17:53 <ghableska> :O
17:53 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: Berkelium (symbol Bk) — Burger King — Building Killer (A type of NukeZone unit) — Bad Kid — Brahma Kumari — Banjo-Kazooie (video game) — BK (musician) — Bankruptcy — Battery Captain (UK) — Beekeeper — Below knee (amputation) — Beverley Knight — Beyonce Knowles — Bible Knowledge — Blitzkrieg (game) — Blue Kaffee — Book — Born Killers (Professional Halo clan) — Bosnia and Herzegovina (FIPS Pub 10-4 and obsolete NATO digram) — Brandon Kalani — Brett Koll — Brinkman-Kramers — British Knights (shoes) — Brooklyn — Bruel & Kjaer (bk.dk) — Bundeskanzler (Germany) — Potomac Air IATA code — The ticker symbol for the Bank of New York — Borosilicate crown
17:53 <luke-jr_> He thinks most people here hate him, IIRC
17:54 <luke-jr_> but it's his real world stuff that's not going well with him, mainly
17:54 <wrtlprnft> be aware spidey is probably gonna read this
17:54 <wrtlprnft> the above quote is from wikipedia, BTW
17:55 <madmax|pt> i dont now if ill be available that early on rain's server (at 7pm gmt)
17:55 <Lackadaisical> are any of the brackets already known?
17:55 <wrtlprnft> uh, wouldn't 7pm gmt be after the ladle begins?
17:55 <ghableska> yeah
17:55 <ghableska> I think
17:55 <wrtlprnft> or 7pm today?
17:55 <ghableska> O_o
17:55 <Lackadaisical> no tomorrow
17:56 <wrtlprnft> in 27 hours?
17:56 <Lackadaisical> the ladle doesnt begin till 7.30 pm because we dont have enough teams to do the earlier rounds
17:57 <madmax|pt> (are other teams aware of this?...)
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17:57 <wrtlprnft> wb Sticky 
17:57 <Lackadaisical> I'm afraid they arent..
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17:58 <|Sticky|> hay
17:58 <Lackadaisical> maybe i should post something about that on the clanforums
17:59 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: I'm not the one insulting spidey =p
18:00 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: yeah, but i mostly write this because i know he's probably gonna read it :)
18:00 <Lackadaisical> does anyone know if lol is actually gonna play? i havent seen any lol players lately - just wpn people
18:00 <wrtlprnft> aren't they the same thing?
18:01 <wrtlprnft> the 4team fortress server used to be lol, now it's wpn, so i assumed they just renamed
18:01 <wrtlprnft> the same way fe is now sl
18:02 <madmax|pt> i dont think so
18:03 <Lackadaisical> no, durka and some other people from lol (as i see, the only real active ones) thought the skill level was too low in lol so they mad e a new clan
18:03 <wrtlprnft> with a very noble slogan
18:03 <wrtlprnft> come on, only idiots and noobs are proud to pwn other noobs :P
18:04 <Lackadaisical> hehe yeah, pwning noobs isn't really something to be proud of
18:05 <wrtlprnft> i always try to be fair and not trap them, at least on non- team servers
18:08 <ghableska> heh
18:08  * ghableska is almost a noob :P
18:08 <wrtlprnft> nah
18:10 <ghableska> so when does the ladle start? 7:30?
18:11 <wrtlprnft> probably
18:11 <ghableska> and we're meeting at 7?
18:11 <ghableska> at Fortress...
18:13 <wrtlprnft> 1
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18:13 <ghableska> ?
18:13 <wrtlprnft> 1 true yes ja oui si
18:13 <ghableska> :P
18:14 <joda_bot> ah, fine, now tor automatically maps irc.freenode.org to the onion dns name
18:16 <wrtlprnft> ?
18:29 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: /whois joda_bot
18:30 <wrtlprnft> ah
18:30 <wrtlprnft> o well, something seems to be broken with my provider's DNS reverse lookup
18:30 <wrtlprnft> i don't have a hostname, oh well
18:30 <wrtlprnft> not that it mattered
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18:38 <|Sticky|> Lackadaisical: you said something about 2 AW teams?? whats that about?
18:41 <Lackadaisical> well if there are 12 people showing up tomorrow, i dont think we should exclude the idea of making two teams
18:41 <|Sticky|> yeah but you said sign up on the wiki are you actualy asking for 2 team lists now or just divide up when we meet tomorrow
18:42 <Lackadaisical> second one
18:42 <|Sticky|> ok
18:42 <Lackadaisical> i said sign up on the wiki because ady wanted to know how to join
18:43 <|Sticky|> ahh
18:49 <Lucifer_arma> <Lackadaisical> the whole ladle part of the wiki is becoming a maze
18:49 <Lucifer_arma> <rain> lucifer likes mazes, we know
18:49  * Lucifer_arma is not associated with the ladle
18:59 <luke-jr_> madmax|pt: LOL=WPN
18:59 <Lackadaisical> lol =! wpn
18:59 <|Sticky|> wpn>=lol
19:00 <Lackadaisical> durka on lol forums: "Over the past few weeks there has been a rapid flow of n00bs joining LOL clan. When we first made the clan, we wanted to be good, but make it easy to get into. Well, the talent level of the clan has greatly decreased from when it first began. Therefore, I have started a new clan."
19:00 <ghableska> O_o
19:00  * Lackadaisical out
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19:04 <joda_bot> hhh
19:05 <joda_bot> hm
19:05 <joda_bot> interesting ;)
19:05 <joda_bot> ok never mind just restartet privoxy alot but gaim does only depend on tor
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19:24  * ghableska is bored
19:26  * Lucifer_arma thinks fraternities are just clans with greek letters
19:28 <luke-jr_> lol
19:29 <ghableska> heh
19:36 <wrtlprnft> i thought LOL was a team, not a clan...
19:37 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=User_talk:Wrtlprnft&curid=1791&diff=15274&oldid=15246&rcid=13918
19:38 <wrtlprnft> x_X nitpicking³
19:41 <Lucifer_arma> jonathan?
19:42 <wrtlprnft> yeah
19:43 <Lucifer_arma> that's not nitpicking, nitpicking is when he spends time telling you you misspelled a word but doesn't fix it :)
19:44 <wrtlprnft> anyways
19:44 <Lucifer_arma> nitpicking is also when you tell someone "that's not nitpicking, nitpicking is when he spends time telling you you misspelled a world but doesn't fix it"
19:44 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: any idea about this: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=87911#87911 ?
19:44 <wrtlprnft> i'm clueless
19:44 <wrtlprnft> just tried running it from within SPE and it doesn't crash either
19:44 <Lucifer_arma> I just responded on your talk page to 2020, but haven't had a chance to tell you.  The fixed background runs too slow in my browser for me to be willing to make it the default.  :/  Would you mind removing that?
19:45 <Lucifer_arma> what's SPE?  heh
19:45 <wrtlprnft> well, the whole thing only works with a fixed background
19:45 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: i asked the same question ;)
19:45 <wrtlprnft> http://stani.be/python/spe/blog/
19:45 <wrtlprnft> it's in portage
19:45 <Lucifer_arma> ah, python editor
19:46 <wrtlprnft> i thought it might have been SPE's fault, but nope
19:46 <Lucifer_arma> his specific error is syntax errors, which might indicate that this SPE he's running has some special config item he's set that changes all the indents
19:46 <Lucifer_arma> that would cause his symptoms, anyway
19:47 <Lucifer_arma> line endings too
19:47 <wrtlprnft> they're all tabs.
19:47 <Lucifer_arma> Ubuntu, does he have pyKDE and pyQT installed?
19:48 <wrtlprnft> well, wouldn't that be other errors then?
19:48 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it would be an import error
19:48 <wrtlprnft> à la “can't import module KBlah”
19:48 <Lucifer_arma> my attitude is "Try it like any other program and see if it works, and if you want to hack it, you're on your own for fancy IDEs"
19:49  * Lucifer_arma has gotten used to Kate, no need for an IDE when you're used to Kate
19:49  * wrtlprnft uses gvim
19:49  * Lucifer_arma still wants to write his own editor, just hasn't yet
19:50 <Lucifer_arma> of course you put #!/usr/bin/env python as the first line of the top script and set chmod 775, right?
19:51 <wrtlprnft> uh
19:51 <wrtlprnft> i'm using #!/usr/bin/python
19:53 <Lucifer_arma> that works, but the python guys say do it the other way.  IF you use distutils to build packages (not a bad idea), it'll rewrite that line upon installation using the user's path to python
19:53 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6140 /private/wrtlprnft/armaspyadvanced/armaspyadvanced.py: changed #!/usr/bin/python to #!/usr/bin/env python, for whatever positive effect it might have
19:53 <Lucifer_arma> I've got some stuff for makefiles that is pretty damn useful for pyQt programming you might be interested in.
19:54 <Lucifer_arma> Actually, I wrote a program called newproject that takes a project template and creates a new version doing some substitutions, and there's a pretty solid pyQt template I made for it
19:55 <wrtlprnft> actually i used python because i didn't wanna mess with makefiles and autoconf and linking to libkde and similar stuff
19:55 <wrtlprnft> otherwise i'd have used c++
19:55 <Lucifer_arma> autoconf macros to check for python modules and stuff
19:56 <Lucifer_arma> heh, well, I found that that's the way to go with pyQt.  :/  Weird tradeoff, but distutils isn't really big enough to handle it
19:56 <Lucifer_arma> the other thing it does that's really useful is it compiles .ui files from Qt Designer into .py files
19:56 <Lucifer_arma> rather, I hve build rules that do it, and they work like you'd expect them to work if they were say c++ files
19:57 <Lucifer_arma> that was where distutils fell down, iirc.  Couldn't build .ui files without a bunch of fancy code.
19:57  * wrtlprnft never actually used qtdesigner
19:58 <Lucifer_arma> I saw that you didn't use it here.  But it's freaking useful.  ;)
19:58 <Lucifer_arma> It's not point-and-click programming, you still have to go in and write code, but it's literally "prototype your GUI" and then inherit the class and implement it
19:58 <wrtlprnft> well, i'm currently struggling with with the UI, true
19:59 <wrtlprnft> i wanna make a list of favorite servers
19:59 <Lucifer_arma> Qt Designer is nice, but it does take a bit of work to figure out how to use it.  It's another one of those programs with a fairly steep learning curve, but afterwards it's very easy to use
19:59 <wrtlprnft> those would get a star or something next to their entry in the menu and would show up even if they were empty
20:00 <Lucifer_arma> lemme tar up what I've got for my budget program right now and stick it on my webserver.  It's still small enough in the GUI anyway that you can usefully read the code.
20:00 <Lucifer_arma> I wouldn't suggest digging past the GUI unless you really want to learn about accounting, heh.
20:00 <wrtlprnft> and wouldn't Qt Designer create lots of QTBlah widgets, but no KBlah widgets?
20:01 <Lucifer_arma> it's got some support for KDE widgets
20:02 <Lucifer_arma> you'll have to look at how I did it to get a feel for it, anyway.  I make a QWidget, then inherit it, then write the top-level window
20:02 <Lucifer_arma> except for the main window, but I think Designer has support for KMainWindow
20:02  * wrtlprnft feels like he should do an emerge qt-designer
20:03 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/dsbp.tar.gz
20:03 <wrtlprnft> that is, if i find out the name of the ebuild
20:03 <Lucifer_arma> it may have installed with qt, not sure
20:04 <wrtlprnft> its command is qtdesigner, right?
20:04 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop $ qtdesigner                                                   ~
20:04 <wrtlprnft> zsh: command not found: qtdesigner
20:07 <Lucifer_arma> dont' know, actually.  Hmmm
20:07 <Lucifer_arma> dave@ghostwheel:/home/share/Projects$ ls /usr/qt/3/bin/designer
20:07 <Lucifer_arma> /usr/qt/3/bin/designer
20:08 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: erm, I never inherit Qt Designer stuff, I just use it =p
20:08 <luke-jr_> shouldn't need to inherit it
20:08 <Lucifer_arma> here comes luke-jr_ to tell us useless stuff because he doesn't know what we're actually talking about
20:08 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: ah, it's already there.
20:09 <wrtlprnft> opens 7 new windows on my already crowded desktop :s
20:09 <Lucifer_arma> ack, what a pain.  I set it to MDI mode so it doesn't do that to me
20:09 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: use MDI mode
20:09 <Lucifer_arma> but MDI mode has it's peculiarities, heh
20:10 <wrtlprnft> well, it's no problem
20:10 <wrtlprnft> just use it on its own desktop :P
20:10 <luke-jr_> to implement stuff, you create a seperate implementation class with slots, and connect the UI's signals to them
20:10 <luke-jr_> for lots of stuff, you can just use slots on the UI itself
20:12 <Lucifer_arma> great, you know that much just spending 5 minutes on TrollTech's site
20:12 <Lucifer_arma> you know why you inherit the designer class instead of using Qt Designer's own code editor on it?
20:12 <luke-jr_> I don't do either
20:12 <wrtlprnft> why?
20:12 <luke-jr_> I keep code off the interface
20:13 <Lucifer_arma> several reasons.  1) Qt Designer doesn't support python directly.  pyuic will handle it, but you're using a C++ editor to write python code
20:13 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: Qt Designer shows KDE widgets if they're installed, usually; Qt4 won't do Qt3 widgets, tho
20:13 <Lucifer_arma> 2) There's no such thing as "we won't modify your code".  You need to keep your own code out of the .ui files, even though Qt Designer can handle it now, no guarantee it always can no matter ho complex your project is
20:14 <luke-jr_> Qt Designer's code editor sucks anyway-- and is removed in Qt4 as far as I can tell
20:14 <Lucifer_arma> 3) as luke-jr_ says, it's bad design anyway, and using Qt Designer that way will lead to VERY bad design
20:14 <Lucifer_arma> so your inherited class implements special slots, emits signals, and you put real work somewhere else anyway
20:14 <wrtlprnft> o_O
20:15 <Lucifer_arma> if I thought about it more and wasn't sleepier-than-dirt I could come up with more reasons :)
20:16 <Lucifer_arma> so I use the .ui files like any other program resource, png, sound effect, whatever.  No code in it.
20:18 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: how do you like THAT design?
20:18 <wrtlprnft> jk
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20:19 <wrtlprnft> which gives us the old issue with the tabs :(
20:20 <luke-jr_> ?
20:20 <wrtlprnft> wiki
20:20 <wrtlprnft> select the skin “wrtlprnft”
20:20 <luke-jr_> o
20:25 <Lucifer_arma> scroll bar still takes half a second to move a little bit
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20:27 <wrtlprnft> yeah, it's still fixed
20:27 <wrtlprnft> but using alphatransparent pngs now
20:27 <Lucifer_arma> nvm
20:27 <Lucifer_arma> had to do a hard refresh
20:28 <Lucifer_arma> what's wrong with the tabs?
20:29 <wrtlprnft> they seem to be fine now.
20:34 <wrtlprnft> no, they're still screwed in opera.
20:45 <Lucifer_arma> looks like he doesn't have python installed
20:45 <Lucifer_arma> which doesn't make sense if SPE is running, hrm
20:49 <wrtlprnft> ok, can't have a transparent background AND the current tab overlapping the content are by one pixel, sorry
21:05 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: utf-8 todo: add nice utf-8 chars to our font
21:05 <luke-jr_> (before I forget =p)
21:05 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: there are already a few
21:06 <wrtlprnft> “”…–—€≤≥are already implemented
21:06 <wrtlprnft> + some other less important ones
21:06 <wrtlprnft> „ too
21:06 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: most of those aren't useful =p
21:07 <luke-jr_> I'm thinking from table 38
21:07 <wrtlprnft> those are freaking useful!
21:07 <wrtlprnft> wtf is useful about table 38?
21:08 <luke-jr_> lol
21:08 <luke-jr_> smilies and symbols
21:08 <wrtlprnft> ☀☁☂☃☄★☆☇☈☉☊☋☌☍☎☏☐☑☒☓☔☕☖☗
21:08 <wrtlprnft> can't think about a good use for those
21:08 <luke-jr_> I can see the stars being nice ;p
21:08 <luke-jr_> maybe some chess pieces too
21:08 <wrtlprnft> ☹☺☻ ← feel free to draw them
21:09 <luke-jr_> use a pawn instead of 'n00b'
21:09 <luke-jr_> etc
21:09 <wrtlprnft> well, feel free to add them
21:09 <wrtlprnft> and i think it's more important to get it all working nicely right now
21:12 <luke-jr_> heh
21:12 <luke-jr_> I said 'todo', not 'top priority' ;)
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21:13 <wrtlprnft> feel free to dig into the code and do the utf8 <=> latin-1 conversions
21:13 <wrtlprnft> ie for older servers/clients
21:16 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=88031#88031 :s
21:16 <wrtlprnft> any ideas?
21:17 <wrtlprnft> i thought you could just declare a variable like that, but it looks like you can't everywhere
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21:52 <Nixda276> this thing by joda is pretty cool
21:52 <Nixda276> its Durka by the way
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21:53 <wrtlprnft> hi
21:53 <Durka> woah i can actually put my name too
21:53  * Durka loves joda :D
21:53  * wrtlprnft wonders why so many people join with a default nick
21:53 <Durka> ok bye
21:53 <wrtlprnft> cya
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22:59 <wrtlprnft> #night
22:59 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!

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