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Log from 2006-08-17:
--- Day changed Thu Aug 17 2006
00:11 -!- Your_mom_arma [n=Jacob@pool-151-204-208-175.pskn.east.verizon.net] has joined #armagetron
00:11 <luke-jr_> so anyway
00:11 <luke-jr_> are we gonna play?
00:13 <Your_mom_arma> freeciv?
00:16 -!- [Xpert]DarkStar [n=pso@84-74-40-251.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit ["Reconnecting"]
00:16 <luke-jr_> ya
00:16 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p508708AE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)]
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00:17 <Your_mom_arma> im in
00:19 <Your_mom_arma> which server?
00:20 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: poke
00:20 <luke-jr_> spidey|sleep: GodTodd 
00:20 <luke-jr_> hmm, a game I just saw end had Fundamentalism gov't
00:23 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: let's do a quick pubserver game while we wait
00:23 <luke-jr_> port 5565
00:29 <luke-jr_> [dlh]: [NP]Tangent [Xpert]DarkStar armabot Commn deja_vu GodTodd guru3 Lucifer_arma luke-jr_ Marco_ Niii spidey|sleep TiTnAsS Vanhayes wejp wrtlprnft Your_mom_arma 
00:29 <deja_vu> O.o
00:29 <deja_vu> luke-jr_
00:29 <luke-jr_> deja_vu: wanna play a quick game?
00:29 <Your_mom_arma> should i hit start?
00:29 <deja_vu> not right now
00:30 <luke-jr_> boo
00:30  * [NP]Tangent slaps luke-jr_ 
00:30 <[NP]Tangent> I have drumline practice to go to
00:30 <luke-jr_> lame
00:30 <[NP]Tangent> but I'll play with you when I get home :>
00:30 <luke-jr_> ...
00:32 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: go ahead
00:32 <luke-jr_> play
00:32 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: Your_mom_arma Your_mom_arma 
00:38 <Your_mom_arma> heh
00:39 <luke-jr_> ...
00:39 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: pay attention
00:39 <Your_mom_arma> server didnt show up on the list till now
01:05 <Your_mom_arma> what the hell, is that guy doing that?
01:07 <TiTnAsS> .
01:10 <luke-jr_> .
01:10 <luke-jr_> TiTnAsS: wanna play?
01:29 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Goals what would the world feature do?
01:30 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: see ph's doc
01:38 <Lucifer_arma> I want to have light cycles with gunpowder, railroad, and combustion.
01:43 <Lucifer_arma> so are you guys going to be ready to pick up last night's save game a bit later on?
01:45 <Vanhayes> ya  probly
01:49 <Vanhayes> how much farther has that game gone since I quit?
01:54 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: I was ready at 3 PM
02:06 <Vanhayes> yesll when you are going to satrt that game again
02:06 <Vanhayes> yell*
02:08 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: why not play w/ mom and I?
02:08 <Vanhayes> Usa had way too many cities
02:10 <luke-jr_> O.o
02:13 <luke-jr_> so abandon some =p
02:15 <Your_mom_arma> turn it into an anarchy and have luke take over washington  chance of civil war is 80%
02:31 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-216-188-42.client.mchsi.com] has joined #Armagetron
02:31 <Vanhayes> meh im playing some tron right now ill finish that game from last night though if/when we play
02:31 <ghableska> hello
02:31 <Vanhayes> hey ghableska 
02:31 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
02:31 <ghableska> picked a new nick yet? :P
02:31 <Vanhayes> heh yup
02:32 <ghableska> cool
02:32 <Vanhayes> new one each day
02:32 <ghableska> O_o
02:32 <ghableska> Why?
02:33 <Vanhayes> something to do, i use Vanhayes every once and a while
02:33 <ghableska> oh, lol
02:33 <ghableska> well if you want to remain secret, don't use your instant chats :P
02:36 <Vanhayes> ya, i sometimes hit one by accident
02:38 <ghableska> lol
02:52 <Your_mom_arma> client crashed
02:52 <Your_mom_arma> it wont let me rejoin
02:52 -!- spidey|sleep is now known as spidey
02:53 <spidey> rejoin?
02:53 <Your_mom_arma> freeciv crashed
02:53 <spidey> where ya'll at? "D
02:53 <Your_mom_arma> pg up?
02:54 <spidey> no?
02:54 <spidey> i'm connected to a bnc
02:54 <spidey> [14:55] * Disconnected
02:54 <spidey> [20:53] * Rejoined channel #armagetron
02:54 <spidey> [20:53] * Topic is ' has been released! | http://armagetronad.net/ | Watch out for ~walls from the future~ !!!'
02:54 <spidey> [20:53] <Your_mom_arma> it wont let me rejoin
02:54 <luke-jr_> mom?
02:54 <spidey> my nme will always be here rather i am or not :p
02:54 <Your_mom_arma> 5565
02:54 <luke-jr_> keep trying
02:55 <Your_mom_arma> blarg
02:56 <luke-jr_> :\
02:57 <Your_mom_arma> can spidey connect there?
02:57  * Your_mom_arma becomes frustrated
02:57 <Your_mom_arma> this always happens when i declare was
02:58 <Your_mom_arma> war even
02:58 <luke-jr_> yes
02:58 <luke-jr_> spidey is playing for you
02:58 <luke-jr_> until you get back
02:58 <Your_mom_arma> i'll try restarting the app again
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03:00 <spidey> mom
03:00 <spidey> use a passwor
03:00 <spidey> password
03:00 <spidey> :p
03:01 <Your_mom_arma> it wont prompt me for one
03:03 <luke-jr_> :|
03:04 <luke-jr_> use a diff name
03:04 <luke-jr_> =p
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03:14 <spidey> damn mom
03:14 <Your_mom_arma> ?
03:14 <spidey> well,you're lucky the americans didn't decide to kill you earlier :p
03:14 <spidey> i captured 2 of there cities and got you a small army :p
03:15 <Vanhayes> ya US was stacked
03:15 <Your_mom_arma> i gave up most of my stuff to luke becaus i was bored
03:15 <spidey> hehe
03:15 <Your_mom_arma> is the server full?
03:15 <spidey> no?
03:15 <luke-jr_> use a diff name
03:15 <Your_mom_arma> 4 people are in there
03:15 <spidey> when you click connect do you see a box at the bottum?
03:15 <spidey> that says password
03:15 <Your_mom_arma> i tryed
03:16 <spidey> someone eles just connecteed
03:16 <spidey> O.o
03:16 <Your_mom_arma> yeah its grayed out, i can join other servers
03:16 <Your_mom_arma> kick the 4rth guy so i can at least spectate
03:21 <Your_mom_arma> i give up
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03:22 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes_
03:24 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034188152.nb.aliant.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
03:25 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes_: hey
03:25 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes_: come play for me
03:25 <luke-jr_> I GTG
03:27 <luke-jr_> someone?
03:30 <Your_mom_arma> i cant connect still
03:30 <luke-jr_> :|
03:31 <Your_mom_arma> still says 4 players in that room
03:40 <luke-jr_> players, not users
03:41 <Your_mom_arma> restarting the app no help
03:41 <Your_mom_arma> different name no help
03:41 <Your_mom_arma> i blame the liberal media
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03:56 <spidey> Your_mom_arma you're now a monarchy government
03:57 <spidey> and have 4+ army units per city and 7 cities :p
04:06 <Vanhayes_> Lucifer_arma: want to finish that game now?
04:07 <spidey> :D
04:07 <spidey> i do!
04:07 <Vanhayes_> were you still alive in that on spidey ?
04:08 <spidey> ya
04:08 <spidey> i was doing good
04:08 <spidey> then my AI fucked it up and broke off the alliance
04:08 <spidey> i'm playing mom's game now
04:08 <spidey> damned americans
04:08 <spidey> -_-
04:09 <spidey> luke should have gave me rocketry before he left
04:09 <spidey> Vanhayes_ connect to 5565
04:09 <spidey> play as luke
04:09 <spidey> :D
04:09 <Vanhayes_> maybe
04:09 -!- Vanhayes_ is now known as Vanhayes
04:15 <Lucifer_arma> cooking dinner right now
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04:41 <spidey> some guy came and took over the americans
04:42 <spidey> i've got a carrier full of bombers and fighters and a few choppers,and 3 transport ships full of armor units :D
04:43 <TiTnAsS> lies
04:44 <spidey> oh it's true :p
04:44 <Your_mom_arma> wow how did you turn that game around
04:47 <spidey> ;)
04:47 <spidey> i've got 2-3 units per city also
04:48 <spidey> i'ma go pwn the americans
04:48 <spidey> got 8 good cities
04:48 <spidey> haha
04:49 <spidey> the idiot attacked my carrier with a 2 cruisers and lost them
04:49 <spidey> :D
04:49 <spidey> someone should join and take lukes spot over
04:55 <spidey> i just took denver
04:58 <Your_mom_arma> type /list connections
05:01 <spidey> wrath
05:01 <spidey> he just took one of lukes cities
05:01 <spidey> now i'm putting units in lukes cities too
05:01 <spidey> me and luke are allies :D
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> he probably developed his cities with something other than "auto settler"  :)
05:05 <spidey> i just took over st louis
05:05 <spidey> no he's got city walls and all that
05:05 <spidey> and my bombers and armor say they suck
05:06 <spidey> :D
05:06 <spidey> oh hell no
05:06 <spidey> he just cruise missled me
05:06 <spidey> -_-
05:06 <spidey> that's ok, i'm 1 city away from taking his capital :D
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05:14 <spidey> 1 city away
05:14 <spidey> washington is my next city to capture,plus i landed 10 more armor units there
05:14 <spidey> see....communism and below are the best governments for war
05:22 <spidey> Game: Lost connection: wrath from cpe-72-227-91-190.maine.res.rr.com (player George Washington).
05:22 <spidey> lol
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05:27 <Compn> freeciv huh?
05:27 <Compn> easy to learn?
05:27  * Compn should try one day
05:29 <spidey> well
05:29 <spidey> appearently it's not the army you got
05:29 <spidey> it's how you use it
05:29 <spidey> the americans are the strongest
05:29 <spidey> then the japs
05:29 <spidey> then me
05:29 <spidey> and i'm pwning 'em :D
05:29 <Compn> then  the japs
05:29 <Compn> ?
05:30 <Compn> no china?
05:30 <spidey> no?
05:30 <Compn> awww
05:37 <spidey> Game: Player 'Sergio Osmena' now has AI skill level 'easy'.
05:37 <spidey> Game: The capture of George Washington's capital and the destruction of the empire's administrative
05:37 <spidey>       structures have sparked a civil war.  Opportunists have flocked to the rebel cause,
05:37 <spidey>       and the upstart Sergio Osmena now holds power in 19 rebel provinces.
05:37 <spidey> took the american captial
05:37 <spidey> :D
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05:46 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma: gonna play that game any time soon?
05:49 <DrJoeTron> god damn recording is a pain
05:54 <luke-jr_> rofl
05:54 <luke-jr_> recording is simple
05:55 <spidey> that was fun
05:55 <luke-jr_> someone forgot to set endyear later
05:55 <spidey> :(
05:55 <spidey> i was gonna finish the americans off to
05:55 <spidey> i had 40+ military units over there and 7+ more ready to ship
05:56 <luke-jr_> I totally won
05:56 <luke-jr_> I have at least 500 military units =p
05:56 <luke-jr_> and 2000+ gold
05:56 <spidey> only cause i protected your ass
05:56 <luke-jr_> had*
05:56 <luke-jr_> =p
05:56 <spidey> the americans took one of your cities so i put a few in some of yours
05:56 <spidey> and took yours back :p
05:56 <luke-jr_> new game maybe?
05:56 <spidey> hmm
05:57 <spidey> ya,untill we get ready to finish the other one
05:57 <spidey> Vanhayes wanna play?
05:57 <spidey> me you and luke against 2 AI's 
05:57 <spidey> :s
05:57 <spidey> lets play with the world map,too
05:57 <Vanhayes> how about no ais?
05:58 <luke-jr_> why
05:58  * Vanhayes hates ais
05:58 <spidey> so
05:58 <spidey> we got a AI :p
05:58 <spidey> us 3 against them
05:58 <Vanhayes> they make the stupidest decisions
05:58 <Vanhayes> ook
05:58 <spidey> so?
05:58 <luke-jr_> 5564
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> nah, recording is a pain
05:59 <Vanhayes> anyone else want to play?
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> especially voice recording, because I can only do that when my family's not home
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, anybody here about ready to finish last night's game?
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> looks like there's an active game going right now...
06:00 <Vanhayes> nah
06:00 <Vanhayes> still setting up
06:00 <Vanhayes> Id like to finnish last nights
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> well I can start it up and we can join and wait for the others if we need to
06:01 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: I've been ready since 3 PM
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft took over your player for awhile and did some building up
06:01 <spidey> i'm inif luke is
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: spidey ?
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: ?
06:02 <spidey> can we wait 10 minutes?
06:02 <Vanhayes> what were the host/port again?
06:02 <spidey> i wanna make a pizza
06:02 <spidey> haven't ate all day :(
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> I can wait, I'd like to get GodTodd in here though, don't know that I want to restart without him
06:02 <spidey> k
06:02 <spidey> btw
06:02 <Vanhayes> hmm ya im pretty hungry too 10 min sounds fine to me
06:02 <spidey> i can't play all night
06:02 <Vanhayes> how many hours?
06:02 <spidey> i gotta goto my aunts funeral tomorrow
06:02 <spidey> 2-3 maybe
06:03 <Vanhayes> should be done by then
06:03 <Vanhayes> maybe
06:03 <spidey> k
06:03 <spidey> brb
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know that we'll be done by then, but when we finish tonight, I intend to be done with it :)
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> ok, www.davefancella.com 5555
06:03 <luke-jr_> ?
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: ?
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> so, to run a full-time game server you need some custom shit that's only in FreeCiv cvs
06:05 <Lucifer_arma> and they say it isn't publicly available :(
06:05 <luke-jr_> why?
06:05 <Lucifer_arma> so it's either write your own custom shit, or don't run a full-time game server
06:05 <Lucifer_arma> the web page didn't say why, and I didn't ask anybody
06:06 <luke-jr_> Player 'Observer' now has AI skill level 'normal'.
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> player observer doesn't control a civilization, though
06:07 <luke-jr_> =p
06:09 <spidey> btw
06:09 <spidey> no killing me when we start :p
06:10 <spidey> i gotta fix what my AI broke :/
06:10 <luke-jr_> O.o
06:10 <luke-jr_> you mean TNA?
06:10 <luke-jr_> =p
06:10 <spidey> both of 'em
06:10 <spidey> heh
06:10 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: pingpingping
06:10 <luke-jr_> I'd rather start a new game if GodTodd isn't there :|
06:10 <spidey> me to
06:10 <spidey> with the world map
06:10 <spidey> :D
06:11 <luke-jr_> I'd rather use a TRON map =p
06:11 <spidey> no
06:11 <Vanhayes> what other maps is there?
06:11 <spidey> tron and freeciv don't mix
06:11 <luke-jr_> lack ran off when I asked him to make a tileset =p
06:11 <luke-jr_> sure they do
06:11 <spidey> LOL
06:11 <spidey> do you blame him? :
06:11 <spidey> :p
06:11 <luke-jr_> yes
06:11 <luke-jr_> well, maybe not
06:11 <spidey> lol
06:11 <luke-jr_> it's not easy :|
06:12 <luke-jr_> stealing screenshots doesn't work well
06:12 <luke-jr_> =p
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> just witing for spidey, then?
06:12 <Vanhayes> spidey join, GodTodd is there now
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> I'm a go pee real quick
06:12 <spidey> 5 minutes
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> ok, we'll wait.  Your civilization has been wrecked enough by AIs for us to do it while you're waiting :)
06:14 <spidey> -_-
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> so, is there any way to transfer units to an ally?  Like, say someone can build lots of units but would prefer to have an ally take them into battle...
06:14 <spidey> if i can bring mom's civ back from almost nothing and pwn the strongest civ army wise
06:14 <spidey> it shouldn't be hard to do this
06:14 <spidey> :p
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> :)
06:14 <Vanhayes> give them the units home city is the only way I have found so far
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> I think you and vanhayes should know, I gave luke some cities back and made a peace with him
06:15 <Vanhayes> ...
06:15 <Vanhayes> nooooooooooooo
06:15 <spidey> lol
06:15 <spidey> LMAO
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> well, I don't want to give up the cities themselves
06:15  * Vanhayes wonders if wrtlprnft  screwed anything up or not
06:15 <spidey> Vanhayes i won't our alliance back :D
06:15 <spidey> btw
06:15 <Vanhayes> give me london
06:15 <Vanhayes> heh
06:16 <spidey> isn't the save like 1 hour old?
06:16 <spidey> so the people shouldn't have affected
06:16 <spidey> food brb
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> well, we played for awhile after restoring from an older save
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> also, I cleared out all the saves from previous games, so there should be a save available if something happens this time
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> but if I take my computer outside again, I'll bring the adapter.  :)
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> or I could restart it in a screen session real quick
06:18 <spidey> ready
06:19 <Vanhayes> join then
06:19 <spidey> host/port
06:19 <spidey> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with ww.o
06:19 <spidey> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with www.
06:19 <armabot> spidey: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 25825 messages.
06:19 <armabot> spidey: [06:04:45] <Lucifer_arma> ok, www.davefancella.com 5555
06:20  * Vanhayes pokes spidey 
06:20 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: units belong to cities
06:20 <Vanhayes> crashed...
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08:46 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: is a jerk
08:46 <Vanhayes> heh dont be bitter
08:52 <luke-jr_> jerk
08:52 <luke-jr_> die
08:52 <guru3> god, still playing freeciv?
08:53 <luke-jr_> guru3: join us
08:53 <luke-jr_> and kill van
08:53 <luke-jr_> the jerk
08:53 <guru3> but i don't know how to play ><
08:53 <arctanx> who does know how to play freeciv? :P
08:54 <arctanx> next question, why did armabot just message me...
08:55 <Vanhayes> what did it say?
08:55 <arctanx> [16:55:05] 	armabot	Sent 5 weeks, 6 days, 9 hours, and 48 minutes ago: <joda_bot> test
08:55 <arctanx> [16:55:06] 	armabot	Sent 5 weeks, 6 days, 9 hours, and 47 minutes ago: <joda_bot> #m joda* test
08:55 <luke-jr_> guru3: learn. we did
08:55 <luke-jr_> we *are*...
08:55 <guru3> lol
08:55 <guru3> i'll emerge it at least
08:55 <Vanhayes> arctanx: that was some saying #later tel *a* test
08:56 <Vanhayes> just random I think
08:56 <arctanx> oh righto then
08:57 <arctanx> #m arctanx yo
08:57 <armabot> arctanx: The operation succeeded.
08:57 <arctanx> well, whatever floats your boat :P
08:57 <Vanhayes> #notes
08:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, *josh*, Nickserv, operserv, someone, unknown, and z-man.
08:58 <luke-jr_> guru3: fyi, 'dedicated' means *only* dedicated for civ
08:59 <guru3> what's the bin name for freeciv?
09:02 <luke-jr_> civclient
09:02 <guru3> k
09:02 <guru3> i'll remember that
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09:05 <luke-jr_> guru3: BTW, plans are for a TRON tileset and maybe ruleset
09:05 <guru3> lol
09:07 <luke-jr_> guru3: wanna watch?
09:08 <luke-jr_> (just don't spy for the evil duo)
09:08 <TiTnAsS> lol
09:08 <TiTnAsS> rofl
09:08 <TiTnAsS> luke
09:08 <guru3> when i get my full screen back
09:08  * TiTnAsS is going to come obs
09:08 <TiTnAsS> okay?
09:08 <TiTnAsS> cuz im bored
09:08 <TiTnAsS> whos playing right now?
09:08 <luke-jr_> TiTnAsS: not if you're gonna spy for the evils
09:08 <TiTnAsS> i dunno who the evils are
09:08 <TiTnAsS> but im guessing luci is one of em
09:08 <TiTnAsS> but no, im not spying ^^
09:09 <luke-jr_> spidey and Vanhayes
09:09 <Vanhayes> ?
09:09 <luke-jr_> you're the evil duo
09:11 <TiTnAsS> luke
09:11 <TiTnAsS> its not possible for me to spy
09:11 <TiTnAsS> i have no clue what your doing anyways
09:11 <TiTnAsS> =p
09:11 <TiTnAsS> im just here cuz im bored
09:13 <luke-jr_> TiTnAsS: just don't spy
09:13 <TiTnAsS> im not
09:13 <TiTnAsS> for the 3rd time
09:13 <TiTnAsS> - -;
09:25 <guru3> luke-jr_: what's the server?
09:26 <luke-jr_> #last --with www --from Lucifer_arma 
09:26 <armabot> luke-jr_: [06:04:45] <Lucifer_arma> ok, www.davefancella.com 5555
09:27 <guru3> so how do i spec then?
09:32 <luke-jr_> ?
09:32 <guru3> nm
09:32 <guru3> it was /observe <name?
09:32 <guru3> >
09:34 <guru3> my screen is too big for any of those tile sets ><
09:38 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: ping
09:42 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: of course not!
09:42 <Vanhayes> ?
09:43 <wrtlprnft> 06:15  * Vanhayes wonders if wrtlprnft  screwed anything up or not
09:43 <wrtlprnft> ;)
09:43 <Vanhayes> hrh ya you did a pretty good job, we are owning luke-jr_ 
09:43 <wrtlprnft> I didn't even meet luke
09:43 <luke-jr_> cuz you're evil and stuff
09:43 <Vanhayes> hahaha
09:44 <luke-jr_> you break peace treaties, oppress, and aggress and stuff
09:44 <Vanhayes> I took almost every city of his
09:44 <Vanhayes> you have a worse rep than me
09:45 <luke-jr_> not my fault
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10:45 <TiTnAsS> oppress? lol
10:45 <TiTnAsS> and luke
10:45 <TiTnAsS> i thought you were the one
10:45 <TiTnAsS> who broke peace treaties
10:45 <TiTnAsS> o.o
10:45 <TiTnAsS> XD
10:49 <DrJoeTron> i forgot my wallet at my friends house :/
10:49 <TiTnAsS> - -;
10:49 <TiTnAsS> smooth
10:49 <DrJoeTron> super
10:49 <TiTnAsS> ^^
10:49 <TiTnAsS> sigh.. i get no respect
10:49 <TiTnAsS> "james invite my aka to lux to - -;"
10:49 <TiTnAsS> "NIGGA
10:49 <TiTnAsS> BLWO ME
10:49 <TiTnAsS>  /kick me"
10:49 <TiTnAsS> - -;
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11:00 <Vanhayes> lol nice
11:00 <Vanhayes> #night
11:00 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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11:06 <Lucifer_arma> I'm never conquering vanhayes again
11:06 <GodTodd> haha
11:06 <spidey> haha
11:07 <wrtlprnft> why?
11:07 <wrtlprnft> are they now attacking you?
11:07 <spidey> his cities are worthless
11:07 <GodTodd> he's a crappy president :)
11:07 <Lucifer_arma> his cities are completely worthless
11:07 -!- TiTnAsS [n=Nick@adsl-69-111-57-120.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #armagetron
11:07 <TiTnAsS> wtf?
11:07 <TiTnAsS> i didnt ask to be kicked
11:07 <Lucifer_arma> I took a bunch of cities that were in disorder and stayed that way
11:07 <TiTnAsS> it was a quote
11:07 <TiTnAsS> tank
11:07 <TiTnAsS> - -;
11:07 <TiTnAsS> lo
11:07 <Lucifer_arma> shut up or use less lines, TiTnAsS 
11:07 <TiTnAsS> - -;
11:07 <wrtlprnft> #realchatlogs
11:07 <TiTnAsS> habit
11:07 <armabot> wrtlprnft: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/
11:08 <Lucifer_arma> well cut it out.  There's other people here trying to read that shit.
11:08 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, if i'd known you was planning to, i wouldn't have canceled our alliance
11:08 <spidey> plus
11:08 <spidey> i lost 2 units
11:08 <spidey> damned nuke
11:08 <Lucifer_arma> heh
11:08 <spidey> to close to rome
11:08 <spidey> :(
11:08 <TiTnAsS> my bad
11:08 <Lucifer_arma> I lost a couple of units, but not many
11:08 <wrtlprnft> i wanna see if those actually were two different TiTnAsS
11:08 <wrtlprnft> or if they're all the same
11:08 <TiTnAsS> what two?
11:08 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's hard to work something like that, a planned betrayal.  If I approached you and you said no, you tell vanhayes and you come after me together.
11:08 <TiTnAsS> err
11:08 <spidey> my main concern was disabling hayes by capturing cities
11:08 <spidey> i didn't care what size
11:08 <spidey> if they was undefended i took
11:09 <TiTnAsS> were not the same titnass - -;
11:09 <TiTnAsS> the other didnt have legit forum name
11:09 <TiTnAsS> i do
11:09  * Lucifer_arma removes the return key from TiTnAsS's keyboard
11:09 <spidey> lol
11:09 <TiTnAsS> ..
11:09 <GodTodd> mine doesn't have a return key ;)
11:09 <TiTnAsS> fine fine /afk
11:10 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I'm glad you finally popped the cork out of that bottle, but I'm sick and disgusted of the cities I took
11:10 <wrtlprnft> ok, this is the TiTnAsS that claims to be the real one
11:10 <spidey> i wanted to prepare more,but luke was almost dead
11:10 <wrtlprnft> the first one is
11:10 <GodTodd> my cities were ok...just kept biting me at the worst moments :)
11:10 <wrtlprnft> 01:37 -!- TiTnAsS [n=TiTnAsS@c-24-5-242-236.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #armagetron
11:10 <wrtlprnft> the other one is
11:10 <wrtlprnft> 01:37 -!- TiTnAsS [n=TiTnAsS@c-24-5-242-236.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #armagetron
11:10 <wrtlprnft> err
11:10 <wrtlprnft> no
11:11 <wrtlprnft> the other one is 23:37 -!- TiTnAsS [n=Nick@adsl-69-111-57-120.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #armagetron
11:11 <TiTnAsS> ?...
11:11 <TiTnAsS> i AM the real titnass
11:11 <TiTnAsS> i spam the same as i always did, and im stupid same as always
11:11 <TiTnAsS> ask luci -.-
11:12 <wrtlprnft> well, what's the differenct to the other TiTnAsS then?
11:12 <wrtlprnft> *difference
11:12 <TiTnAsS> i dont troll
11:12 <TiTnAsS> and scam luke for money
11:12 <spidey> GodTodd, sorry for taking your cities, i jsut wanted a fall back because i wasn't strong enough to hold hayes in london :p
11:12 <Lucifer_arma> yes you were, he had a worthless little empire
11:12 <TiTnAsS> and im sorry, ill try to control my spam
11:12 <GodTodd> ummm i wanted you to take them at that time
11:12 <Lucifer_arma> why did he have so many points?
11:12 <TiTnAsS> and i cant control my stupidity
11:12 <wrtlprnft> techs
11:12 <wrtlprnft> and he had a good reputation
11:13 <spidey> he had future techs out the ass
11:13 <Lucifer_arma> next time I'm taking vanhayes on quickly.  He's a good ally because he gives you all of his technology, but there are other people that do better with their cities
11:13 <wrtlprnft> always he who made peace and the others who broke it
11:13 <GodTodd> ask spidey, my cities weren't that bad ;)
11:13 <Lucifer_arma> look, I joined that alliance because I was small and too close to them
11:13 <spidey> hell no
11:13 <spidey> they had awesome production
11:14 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't join because I wanted to be part of their conquering
11:14 <GodTodd> by then they did...was too late tho :/
11:14 <spidey> Lucifer_arma i could have taking hayes out at the beginning
11:14 <spidey> but then he grew stronger
11:14 <spidey> -_-
11:14 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I should have built more cities early on myself, I had so many new cities that weren't producing fast enough I had to turn them to coinage
11:14 <spidey> i usually only use 5-7 cities
11:15 <Lucifer_arma> I built a whole bunch of cruise missiles and started loading up submarines because I was expeccting a long war in europe
11:15 <spidey> place them in good spots they produce alot
11:15 <spidey> Lucifer_arma i wasn't
11:15 <Lucifer_arma> so I was getting ready to bombard him with cruise missiles.  That little deal in asia is exactly what I mean, I sent out my cruise missile and it didn't have a target!
11:15 <spidey> all of lukes units where in america
11:15 <spidey> lukes/hayes's
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> well, we'll have to keep that in mind for next time.  Drop a mechanized infantry behind the front lines and wipe out his logistical base, it'll only take one turn
11:16 <GodTodd> did he have just a bunch of ghost towns?
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> yes
11:16 <GodTodd> haha
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> I finally decided to just sell everything and pull my units out and there wasn't anything to sell!
11:16 <spidey> LOL
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> that's when I quit the game, I was so disgusted with what I took
11:17 <GodTodd> he must have just put everything to coinage from the get go then
11:17 <spidey> sok i gotta take a shower,get ready for the funeral
11:17 <spidey> then sleep
11:17 <spidey> brb
11:17 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: the reason I couldn't take his capital right away was because he never finished the rail link.  I built it to the sinai peninsula, he ws supposed to finish it, but he didn't
11:17 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: that's what he did, he took a city then stuck it on coinage and forgot about it
11:17 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, i was close and decided it'd be easier to nuke
11:17 <GodTodd> civ takes a certain attention to detail
11:18 <spidey> if i had more time i'd nuked everyone of his cities
11:18 <Lucifer_arma> no shit.  I think spidey would have been a good, long fight, well worth the effort
11:18 <TiTnAsS> sleep time, night
11:18 <Lucifer_arma> you would have too, for that matter
11:18 <GodTodd> remind me never to vote vor hayes for president ;)
11:18 <Lucifer_arma> next time I'm picking luke over hayes as my ally
11:18 <spidey> Lucifer_arma is that why you wanted out??because we where using nukes?
11:18 <Lucifer_arma> luke builds pretty nice cities.
11:18 <GodTodd> heh i was allied with luke
11:19 <spidey> but
11:19 <spidey> luke doesn't prepare for war
11:19 <spidey> and that gets him in the end
11:19 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: yes, I was also starting to get worried about yu guys
11:19 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, when you finished with todd and luke, who was left?  I didn't know if you'd fight each other or come together after me
11:19 <Lucifer_arma> so I started planning my betrayal
11:19 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, i wasn't even gonna bother you...hayes was my main target :)
11:19 <Lucifer_arma> you notice I didn't participate in the american invasion?  :)
11:20 <spidey> i did for 1 reason
11:20 <Lucifer_arma> quite the contrary, I was feeding luke money, and ultimately gave him the city I had in australia
11:20 <spidey> i needed a place to retreat incase hayes managed to grab london
11:20 <spidey> lodon was my main city
11:20 <GodTodd> i learned a lot of the nuances with a nice long local game...it's a bit different from the civ2 i usually play
11:20 <Lucifer_arma> that was why I started in australia originally, then luke needed it.  :)
11:20 <spidey> heh
11:21 <Lucifer_arma> after I saw australia, I decided that helping luke to build it up would be better than keeping it for myself, he'd make a powerful ally from there
11:21 <Lucifer_arma> and hard to invade
11:21 <spidey> ya i planned to give luke some cities
11:21 <spidey> because i had so many before i nuked hayes
11:22 <spidey> can you believe 
11:22 <spidey> i only planned to turn on hayes for 5 turns
11:22 <spidey> lol
11:22 <spidey> just long enough to get defense from nukes air units and ocean units started
11:22 <Lucifer_arma> hayes left us with a bunch of overpopulated cities in disorder.  It would have taken hours just to get them out of disorder and where I could put workers back down everywhere
11:22 <spidey> and to build a nuke
11:22 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'd intended to build a navy, then found I didn't have enough production cities for ground units
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> I'll play the next one a bit differently, go for lots of cities early on and then build them all up
11:23 <GodTodd> that seems to be the way to go
11:23 <GodTodd> i did that in the local game and it worked well
11:23 <spidey> so will i
11:23 <spidey> 1 i won't let tna play
11:23 <spidey> :p
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> it was late, but I finally found the value in having a bunch of settlers (later engineers) working together on all the cities
11:23 <spidey> i spent a hella lot of turns fixing the mess he made
11:24 <GodTodd> haha
11:24 <Lucifer_arma> we need more opponents.  :)  I don't want to have to conquer vanhayes again, he plays like the ai in civ1
11:24 <spidey> lol
11:24 <GodTodd> man...it's been forever since i played civ1
11:24 <Lucifer_arma> I also want to play a map where there are 3 islands and 6 players, 2 on each island
11:25 <spidey> you know
11:25 <spidey> we where almost to late
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> I also would have planned my big production cities differently had I known then what I know now, and probably would have outproduced you
11:25 <spidey> a few more turns luke would have been killed
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> too late for what?
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's true, except vanhayes was still looking for his city, afaik
11:25 <spidey> i saw hayes had awtacs after luke so i attacked
11:25 <luke-jr_> zzzz
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> and I gave him a nice little city
11:26 <Lucifer_arma> it wasn't the greatest city, but it was pretty new, already railroaded and irrigated, and with a mine in an oilfield
11:26 <arctanx> freeciv sounds fun :P pity I never could work out how the heck to play
11:26 <Lucifer_arma> I disbanded the engineer, though, needed the shield in its home city
11:26 <spidey> lol
11:26 <luke-jr_> I wouldn't have attacked everyone if the game wasn't already ruined, btw
11:27 <Lucifer_arma> and didn't want to give it a new home since I turned that city to coinage preparing to attack vanhayes
11:27 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: it's ok, we understand.  :)
11:27 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, if tna wouldn't have skrewed everything up...i would have been able to take hayes head on
11:27 <Lucifer_arma> in hindsight, I should have allied with luke instead of you and hayes
11:27 <spidey> i had to sell 6-7 unneeded buildings per city
11:27 <spidey> make the people happy again
11:28 <spidey> and redo my government
11:28 <spidey> me??
11:28 <Lucifer_arma> that's something else that screwed me.  When I switched to communism, my income dropped below my expenses, and I hadn't straightened that out yet
11:28 <luke-jr_> btw, global warming and nuke winter are in effect
11:28 <Lucifer_arma> so my income sucked a lot
11:28 <spidey> if that was the case i'd never nuked hayes
11:28 <spidey> and me and hayes would have been the strongest
11:28 <GodTodd> just seems that hayes didn't see the trees for the forest
11:29 <spidey> heh
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> heh, you guys didn't look closely enough at me.  :)  I won't say I was terribly strong, but I was finally a force to be reckoned with when the shit hit the fan
11:29 <spidey> i didn't plan to attack hayes untill he started chasing luke for no reason
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> a few more turns and we would've had quite a war going
11:29 <GodTodd> the big picture in civ is made up of a lot of little pictures
11:29 <luke-jr_> ok im done
11:29 <luke-jr_> spidey u want chinese back now?
11:29 <spidey> Lucifer_arma i had nukes and was using them like i use units
11:30 <spidey> :)
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> he was playing it like risk, where a city just produces one thing or whatever
11:30 <spidey> ask todd
11:30 <spidey> and luke
11:30 <spidey> i nuked them both heh
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> another thing, I don't really want to play if I know that every game is going to end in global warming and nuclear winter...
11:30 <spidey> lol
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> I built cruise missiles, they work perfectly fine
11:30 <spidey> bah
11:30 <GodTodd> yeah....i never nuke in civ2
11:30 <spidey> nukes kill everything
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> and I cleaned up my pollution, auto-settler is good for that
11:30 <spidey> i like them better
11:31 <Lucifer_arma> that's right, EVERYTHING
11:31 <spidey> i usually clean up my pollutionafter a nuke
11:31 <arctanx> I have an armagetron question.. people online seem to be able to turn 180?, etc. much faster than it's physically possible to press a button twice. is it normal for people to use some kind of alias or something for double-tap? or are they just stupidly fast?
11:31 <GodTodd> kill, pollute....you name it
11:31 <spidey> but i was in a hurry this game
11:31 <Lucifer_arma> you mean liek this:  ||   ?
11:31 <wrtlprnft> arctanx: bind two buttons for the same dir
11:31 <Lucifer_arma> how about this?  |||||||
11:31 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma is just mocking forum posts on the same issure
11:31 <wrtlprnft> *issue
11:32 <arctanx> ah okay. thanks
11:32 <arctanx> Lucifer_arma: either :P
11:32 <luke-jr_> BTW, the game is hopeless even for me =p
11:32 <luke-jr_> the barbarians have taken over
11:32 <wrtlprnft> but i still prefer /|_SZ/L,^-z
11:32 <spidey> lmao
11:32 <Lucifer_arma> you can blame vanhayes for that
11:32 <spidey> LOL
11:32 <luke-jr_> I can nuke them all I want, but they live :|
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> after my campaign in europe, I had a bunch of local uprisings that were bound to turn out barbarian cities
11:33 <GodTodd> we can blame hayes for a lot of it apparently ;)
11:33 <spidey> btw
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> it was a mess, there wasn't anything left but a headache, and the possibility of building a spaceship dropped off nastily
11:33 <spidey> next world map
11:33 <spidey> i'm playing as afghan
11:33 <spidey> :D
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> well, if todd plays the americans, I want the aztecs
11:33 <GodTodd> you're playing as a blanket?
11:33 <GodTodd> ;)
11:33 <spidey> lol
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> I definitely don't want a continental link to vanhayes
11:33 <spidey> well it's better than england
11:34 <spidey> i only got a small island
11:34 <spidey> Lucifer_arma i do
11:34 <spidey> take him out quick
11:34 <Lucifer_arma> you built a pretty good civilization there
11:34 <spidey> no worries
11:34 <GodTodd> awww luci, i'm touched ;)
11:34 <GodTodd> heh
11:34 <Lucifer_arma> I liked africa a lot, but it was too close to vanhayes
11:34 <spidey> well
11:34 <spidey> todd would have owned us all
11:34 <Lucifer_arma> and while he's a good ally, he's a warmonger
11:34 <spidey> but he gave up
11:35 <GodTodd> nah...if i had played it right from the beginning i would have
11:35 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, I might be willing to play in africa again, with some differences
11:35 <GodTodd> at the point of give up, i was pretty fucked
11:35 <Lucifer_arma> it's a good continent to start on, and until you build ships there's only a small spot to go through
11:35 <spidey> nah
11:35 <spidey> your cities where awesome
11:35 <GodTodd> i had north and south americas that i should have loaded with cities
11:35 <spidey> yo ucould have turned them around easy
11:35 <spidey> oh and btw
11:35 <spidey> democracy sucks
11:35 <Lucifer_arma> he didn't have enough cities either, I was expecting him to have most of that continent settled
11:35 <luke-jr_> we need one where the americas are cut
11:35 <spidey> don't use it
11:36 <luke-jr_> and africa and eurasia are cut
11:36 <Lucifer_arma> democracy is awesome if you intend to be peaceful, it only sucks when you go to war
11:36 <wrtlprnft> well, you guys could have used engineers to make ocean :P
11:36 <Lucifer_arma> and after using communism for war, I think I'm going to try monarchy again next time
11:37 <spidey> you like commy eh?
11:37 <spidey> i love it
11:37 <Lucifer_arma> no, I hated it
11:37 <spidey> i'm republic for research,commy for war
11:37 <Lucifer_arma> no income!
11:37 <spidey> no
11:37 <spidey> i had alot of income from 5 cities with it
11:37 <GodTodd> heh in civ2 i use democracy until i launch my ship then i switch to fundamentalism for war
11:37 <spidey> you just don't know how to use it :p
11:37 <Lucifer_arma> I had a bunch of buildings to support!  It was economically a bad switch for me
11:37 <spidey> ohhhh
11:37 <spidey> Lucifer_arma find out how to turn fundamentalism on
11:37 <spidey> that government owns
11:38 <Lucifer_arma> I did finally go through and start selling off buildings
11:38 <Lucifer_arma> well, is fundamentalism available in freeciv?
11:38 <GodTodd> fundamentalism = money out the ass
11:38 <spidey> ya
11:38 <spidey> and good for war because you get 3-4 free units
11:38 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't see it in the menu
11:38 <Lucifer_arma> that's despot, isn't it?
11:38 <spidey> per city that don't cost sheilds
11:38 <Lucifer_arma> despot's good for war, too
11:38 <luke-jr_> fundamentalism is, but I don't know how to get it
11:38 <luke-jr_> seen it on other servers
11:39 <spidey> hmmm
11:39 <spidey> Lucifer_arma get on it :p
11:39 <spidey> brb
11:39 <Lucifer_arma> gotta be in the option dialog then
11:39 <luke-jr_> nope
11:39 <luke-jr_> more likely the ruleset
11:39 <Lucifer_arma> we need to build our own rulesets anyway with the settings we like to use so we don't have to spend 5 minutes before a game fooling with it
11:40 <luke-jr_> well, we need TRON-based ones anyhow =p
11:40 <Lucifer_arma> actually, I'd just use monarchy the whole time if the damn republics didn't outpace me for research
11:40 <GodTodd> does it let you select a ruleset?
11:40 <Lucifer_arma> commandline option for it
11:40 <GodTodd> k
11:41 <GodTodd> if you select the civ2 ruleset it has fundamentalism
11:41 <GodTodd> :)
11:41 <Lucifer_arma> overall I enjoyed the game, though, but I think I screwed up early too
11:41 <GodTodd> i did too...or it would have ended up awesome
11:41 <Lucifer_arma> maybe use coinage to build the defensive units to start each city or something
11:41 <Lucifer_arma> you know, the way I like to work an invasion is completely counter to the way vanhayes does it
11:42 <GodTodd> heh
11:42 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, he does alright setting up, but I like to plan air support from the beginning
11:42 <GodTodd> that and you need to make sure you defend your own cities
11:42 <luke-jr_> gnight
11:42 <GodTodd> night luke
11:42 <luke-jr_> zzzzz
11:42 <Lucifer_arma> that's kinda the reason I didn't participate much in the asian fight, I was working on production so I could build airplanes and navy so I could have support for the ground troops
11:43 <Lucifer_arma> then I send over the first two transports worth of units after staging them, so when the transports get back, there's enough new units built to send a second wave
11:43 <GodTodd> i'm going to play it more like i play civ2
11:43 <Lucifer_arma> er, remove the "two", the actual number of transports depends on the size of the target
11:43 <GodTodd> that's how i do it in civ2
11:43 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, me too.  :)
11:44 <Lucifer_arma> this is the first time I've played freeciv seriously.  Last time I played it you had to wait like 4 seconds between every turn and I thought that was unplayable
11:44 <GodTodd> i build a few transports then have everyone meet up at that city and load, send, come back, repeat
11:44 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's what I do.  build the transport in the staging city, use the cities you build inland to build the ground units
11:44 <GodTodd> i played freeciv like 7 years ago heh
11:44 <GodTodd> yep
11:44 <GodTodd> works great
11:45 <GodTodd> and i usually have too many units after killing everyone ;)
11:45 <GodTodd> i don't even use cruise missles
11:45 <Lucifer_arma> I should've known something was wrong with hayes when he build a road across africa "to move troops to america faster" instead of a railroad
11:45 <GodTodd> or planes
11:45 <GodTodd> haha
11:45 <Lucifer_arma> if you've got the technological upper hand, you don't need air support
11:45 <GodTodd> exactly
11:46 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, come on, that road didn't speed up his troops any faster than finishing the rail link and using my own cities as a staging area would have
11:46 <GodTodd> yep
11:46  * Lucifer_arma was really pissed the rail link wasn't finished
11:46 <GodTodd> i could tell
11:47 <Lucifer_arma> I built most of the rail link from shanghai, he built cities in my direction instead of railway
11:47 <GodTodd> that's messed up
11:47 <GodTodd> heh
11:47 <wrtlprnft> well, a railway makes you voulnerable
11:47 <Lucifer_arma> and at the time that I built the african rail, I was still in the bottom third of the continent
11:47 <Lucifer_arma> not if you fortify it
11:47 <Lucifer_arma> at least I was able to build my forts without arousing suspicion.  "There's barbarians in africa!"  heh
11:47 <GodTodd> and a railway is bidirectional....it makes it easier for both sides to attack
11:48 <Lucifer_arma> that's why you build forts at the bottleneck of the railway and put units in them
11:48 <GodTodd> yep
11:48 <Lucifer_arma> then you can go through without penalty, but the other guy can't.  It's a one-way window
11:48 <Lucifer_arma> heh, after the european campaign finally kicked off I sent a bunch of engineers to finish the link.
11:49 <Lucifer_arma> they were almost finished when I quit
11:49 <GodTodd> doesn't take long
11:49 <Lucifer_arma> not when you put 4 on the job, anyway
11:49 <GodTodd> that's what i would have done
11:49 <Lucifer_arma> had to stop cleaning up pollution in the meantime though :/
11:50 <GodTodd> auto settlers works great for pollution cleanup
11:50 <Lucifer_arma> yes it does.  Then you only need 2 engineers to keep up with it :)
11:50 <GodTodd> they go to polluted tiles like flies to shit
11:50 <Lucifer_arma> that's the only use I found for it, heh.  That and you just want to keep some engineers around anyway because when you need them, you really need them
11:50 <GodTodd> yeah
11:50 <Lucifer_arma> so keep 'em around on auto-settler and they'll fill in holes for you that you missed
11:51 <GodTodd> yep :)
11:51 <Lucifer_arma> but I'm still going to micromanage my settlers and engineers, and that means no time limit because that shit takes time
11:51 <GodTodd> and auto worker works great for me most of the time
11:51 <GodTodd> yeah...but they're easy to grab off of auto if you need them redirected
11:51 <Lucifer_arma> I couldn't figure out why my cities weren't producing.  Maybe I need to learn how this CMA works
11:51 <arctanx> wrtlprnft: even with double-binding, it still takes 3 grid squares to turn right around. is this some input limitation with my computer or have I missed something else?
11:52 <Lucifer_arma> arctanx: there's an input limitation in effect in a lot of places
11:52 <Lucifer_arma> it's a setting, well, two settings actually
11:52 <GodTodd> yeah...i fiddled a little with the cma...not sure i fully grasp it tho
11:52 <arctanx> Lucifer_arma: o right within the game you mean? is there a list of the server settings somewhere?
11:52 <Lucifer_arma> I'm gonna check it out
11:53 <wrtlprnft> arctanx: it depends on the server too
11:53 <Lucifer_arma> arctanx: check out the wiki for this sort of thing.  http://wiki.armagetronad.net
11:53 <wrtlprnft> there's a minimum delay between turn, it defaults to 0.1
11:53 <arctanx> I'm just playing on a local server with install defaults
11:53 <wrtlprnft> s
11:53 <wrtlprnft> arctanx: yeah, then you have a delay of 0.1s
11:53 <wrtlprnft> you can set CYCLE_DELAY to something smaller
11:53 <wrtlprnft> but NOT 0 unless you want weird bugs
11:54 <arctanx> ah I see. thanks for that
11:54 <Lucifer_arma> but anyway, I couldn't figure out why my cities weren't producing, and then I had an epiphany that I usually get a surplus of food, then stick new workers on shield production
11:54 <Lucifer_arma> and use my settlers to make the most shield production I can
11:54 <Lucifer_arma> by the time you reach a point where you need lots of shields, you have plenty of population to work with, as long as you've kept up with city improvements
11:54 <spidey> Lucifer_arma i can own a entire civ, with 3 bombers a few fighters and 15-20 armor tanks
11:55 <spidey> it's not what you got
11:55 <spidey> it's how you use what you got
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> that's called "air support"  :)
11:55 <spidey> i owned the americans in that game me and luke played with those amount of units
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> my battle plan in civ1 was always "bomb the piss out of them, then conquer their cities with obsolete ground troops"
11:55 <spidey> lol
11:55 <spidey> i like taking coastal cities first
11:55 <spidey> unloading my troops in them
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> I'd drop a few cruise missiles and hit with bombers, then take in a catapult or a horseman, heh
11:56 <spidey> then work inward
11:56 <spidey> lol
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> ideally I put battleships on all the coastal cities with carriers right behind them
11:56 <spidey> i like to keep my units upto date
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> you can guess how I worked it, but the air units went inland
11:56 <spidey> hence i always build a leonardos workshop
11:56 <spidey> that's always my first goal
11:56 <spidey> instead of spending extra to upgrade units
11:57 <spidey> it takes my old ones and upgrades them
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> does it become obsolete?
11:57 <spidey> yes
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> when?
11:57 <spidey> after electricity is researched
11:57 <spidey> no
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> that's usually pretty late in the game
11:57 <spidey> that's the great library
11:57 <spidey> hmm
11:57 <spidey> i can't remember
11:57 <spidey> but it's a goodways down
11:57 <GodTodd> heh....i usually want philosophy and darwin's voyage myself
11:58 <GodTodd> free tech ;)
11:58 <spidey> why?
11:58 <Lucifer_arma> I used to go for colossus right away, and then darwin's voyage
11:58 <spidey> great library is better
11:58 <spidey> bah
11:58 <Lucifer_arma> not against ai's it isn't, because you usually outpace the ais
11:58 <spidey> skrew happy citizens
11:58 <wrtlprnft> automobile makes it obsolete
11:58 <spidey> ya
11:58 <Lucifer_arma> well, in civ1 colossus was good for trade
11:58 <GodTodd> if you're the first to get philosophy you get a free tech and darwin's gives you 2
11:58 <spidey> hmm
11:59 <spidey> wanna start a new game? :p
11:59 <spidey> a quick one
11:59 <GodTodd> and i usually try to time darwin's to be built right about the time i get industrialization
12:00 <GodTodd> so that when KRC is obsoleted i get factories :)
12:01 <Lucifer_arma> no new game, I've got to do some work
12:01 <Lucifer_arma> here's what I want to play, though :)
12:01 <spidey> new game!?
12:01 <spidey> i'm in
12:01 <Lucifer_arma> I want to play a map that has 6 civilizations at 20th century technology ready for war
12:01 <Lucifer_arma> at pre-WWII 20th century, that is
12:01 <spidey> hmm
12:02 <Lucifer_arma> and I want them all roughly equal, which isn't how it usually works out
12:02  * spidey goes to talk to his reverse engineering friends
12:02 <Lucifer_arma> well, there's a map editor, but I couldn't get it to build, and the maintainer quit maintaining it
12:02 <spidey> ?
12:02 <Lucifer_arma> the freeciv project isn't planning on embedding one until 2.2, and they're at 2.1beta2 right now
12:02 <spidey> hmm
12:03 <Lucifer_arma> so we need to sit down and just build the map, probably take about 4 hours, and we'd just play a game, exchange technology and stuff,
12:03 <Lucifer_arma> and then save it right at the point we want to start again
12:03 <Lucifer_arma> you know, break off alliances and stuff, then save it
12:03 <Lucifer_arma> that would probably be faster than doing it by hand, but the save game format is documented, it might be doable by hand, I don't really know
12:04 <spidey> i wonder
12:04 <spidey> i have civ2 on cd
12:04 <spidey> if i can make a map
12:04 <spidey> then convert it for freeciv
12:04 <Lucifer_arma> no way that I know of, but that doesn't mean there's no way.  I don't know a lot about freeciv
12:04 <spidey> i'ma install civ2 and compare mapfiles
12:04 <spidey> sec
12:05 <Lucifer_arma> when I told luke to run a freeciv server (and kicked off this round of freeciv playing), all I knew about it was that it was the "other" big open source network game
12:05 <spidey> big?
12:05 <spidey> i haven't seen many people besides us
12:05 <Lucifer_arma> yeah.  The 3 primary open source network games are bzflag, freeciv, and us :)
12:05 <DrJoeTron> i dont see many people besides us on arma
12:05 <wrtlprnft> even bzflag is bigger, and it sucks
12:05 <spidey> lol
12:05 <DrJoeTron> bzflag is huge
12:06 <DrJoeTron> and is horrible
12:06 <wrtlprnft> way to cheatable
12:06 <wrtlprnft> *too
12:06 <Lucifer_arma> talking about big as in lots of people know about it, not necessarily lots of people play it
12:06 <Lucifer_arma> and bzflag, freeciv, and arma have all been staples of linux distributions for as long as I can remember
12:06 <DrJoeTron> bzflag is the biggest
12:06 <Lucifer_arma> bzflag is also very old
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12:07 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't it predate linux?
12:07 <DrJoeTron> just Battle Zone
12:07  * spidey yawns
12:07 <Lucifer_arma> freeciv's probably got a lot of closet players, too, people that don't play much, but hit it hard every now and then
12:08 <GodTodd> that's the nature of civ
12:08 <spidey> i don't think i'd actually play this type of game with a random person
12:08 <spidey> it's more fun with people you know :D
12:08 <DrJoeTron> which is why i play arma
12:08 <DrJoeTron> its hard to play games online with random people
12:08 <GodTodd> i suck at arma heh
12:08 <DrJoeTron> i can do that with ai and get the same affect
12:09 <DrJoeTron> the ai is much more polite
12:09 <spidey> well
12:09 <spidey> i can play games like 
12:09 <DrJoeTron> they know that they are to be seen, not to be heard
12:09 <spidey> arma,halo and those type with people i don' tknow
12:09 <DrJoeTron> fuck halo
12:09 <spidey> but this kinda game requires alot of work
12:09 <spidey> fuck you
12:09 <DrJoeTron> halo sucks
12:09 <spidey> DrJoeTron sucks
12:09 <spidey> and deja_vu_ does to
12:10  * DrJoeTron not nearly as much as halo does
12:10 <DrJoeTron> that imposter tit guy wouldnt shut up about his halo clan
12:10 <wrtlprnft> if (game.name() != "Armagetron Advanced") game.sucks = true;
12:10 <DrJoeTron> arma too!
12:10 <DrJoeTron> spidey
12:10 <DrJoeTron> get around to playing hl2
12:11 <spidey> do i have to pay for it?
12:11 <DrJoeTron> the demo no
12:11 <DrJoeTron> the game yes
12:11 <spidey> then no :)
12:11 <DrJoeTron> the game has a crap load of mods
12:11 <DrJoeTron> try the demo at least
12:11 <DrJoeTron> its a big demo
12:12 <DrJoeTron> if you're not sure what your doing
12:12 <DrJoeTron> its like 2-3 hours
12:12 <spidey> damn
12:12 <spidey> civ2 maps are encrypted
12:12 <spidey> -_-
12:12 <DrJoeTron> and its friggin scary
12:13 <DrJoeTron> gotta run
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12:15 <spidey> luke-jr_??
12:15 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I second the "I want to play this game with people I know"
12:15 <spidey> ya it's more fun
12:16 <Lucifer_arma> I think if we dug up a bunch of arma players and stuck them on maps, the doublegrinders would build civilizations like, well, like vanhayes
12:16 <spidey> HAHA
12:16 <Lucifer_arma> then their personality differences would really show :)
12:16 <spidey> you know what
12:16 <spidey> hayes might have beat us all in the beginning if we didn't ally with him
12:16 <spidey> usually he takes out most of my cities early in the game
12:17 <Lucifer_arma> actually, he makes good use of a small amount of resources, he'll be scary if he figures out how useful it is to actually build up cities
12:17  * spidey knows how
12:17 <spidey> :D
12:17 <spidey> the trick is all cities on the coast with coastal defense 
12:17 <Lucifer_arma> well, he plays like an ai, seriously that's what he does
12:17 <spidey> all except the captial
12:18 <Lucifer_arma> and like an ai, he starts fighting pretty early.  Even his cities that he'd had for a long time didn't have anything in them.
12:18  * deja_vu_ kills spidey with a brick
12:18 -!- deja_vu_ is now known as deja_vu
12:18 <Lucifer_arma> maybe he put stuff in them and then sold it later?  I don't know.
12:18 <spidey> if Lucifer_arma wasn't allied with us i probably wouldn't have nuked hayes
12:18 <spidey> deja_vu
12:18 <wrtlprnft> poor deja_vu, everyone wakes him
12:18 <Lucifer_arma> well shit.  If you're planning a betrayal with nukes, throw together a fallback plan without nukes
12:18 <spidey> deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu
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12:18 <deja_vu> grrr wrtlprnft :P
12:19 <Lucifer_arma> then right before you betray, ask the third ally if he's in, and if he says no, nuke
12:19 <spidey> Lucifer_arma i had a fallback plan,that's why i attacked america with him
12:19 <Lucifer_arma> I would've said yes, but only if you stop using nukes.  Then we could have divided up europe
12:19 <spidey> he was using my transport ships
12:19 <spidey> so i delayed the ones with his troops on them
12:19 <spidey> let mine capture the cities
12:19 <spidey> then brought his onland
12:20 <Lucifer_arma> heh, that's probably why he was thirsty for more cities and kept looking for luke
12:20 <Lucifer_arma> although I don't know which one of us he'd have turned against first
12:20 <spidey> thirsty?
12:20 <spidey> he had the most cities
12:20 <spidey> probably you
12:20 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but they were all worthless.
12:20 <spidey> because mine was well defended
12:20 <spidey> he was going after the weakest targets first
12:20 <Lucifer_arma> I figured I was next in line, partly because I wasn't participating in the invasion, and partly because I didn't help much in asia anyway
12:21 <spidey> he cripled luke then went after todd
12:21 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but by the time he was ready to come after me, I wasn't very weak anymore
12:21 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, I probably started building my army a little late, but even so, by the time he was ready to come at me, I would've had at least 3 tanks per city
12:21 <spidey> btw
12:21 <spidey> if you plan to betray someone
12:21 <Lucifer_arma> you were going to have to nuke me
12:22 <spidey> make sure you got enough troops in the continent to take out everything in one sweep
12:22 <spidey> half my troops where in america and i couldn't take it all like i wanted
12:22 <spidey> just enough to get rid of most of his military
12:22 <Lucifer_arma> and let me sail right in?  heh
12:22 <spidey> lol
12:23 <Lucifer_arma> of course, you were expecting me to sail in and fight you instead, funny how that worked out
12:23 <spidey> i knew something was up with you
12:23 <spidey> i'd seen part of your military
12:23 <spidey> and knew you had enough to help
12:23 <Lucifer_arma> I was fortifying against that barbarian city we thought was in africa
12:24 <Lucifer_arma> :)
12:24 <spidey> lol
12:24 <Lucifer_arma> vanhayes flew a helicopter right through me and didn't question the forts
12:24 <spidey> heh
12:24 <spidey> i think he knew you'd attack
12:24 <spidey> but didn't expect me to
12:24 <Lucifer_arma> and I ws sticking MI and armor in them, planning on having 10 in each fort when I started attacking
12:24 <spidey> because he knew i'd use nukes
12:24 <spidey> and he didn't have protection from them
12:25 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if he suspected me, those forts were pretty suspicious and I'd been pretty quiet for a long time
12:25 <spidey> hehe
12:25 <spidey> those damned barbarians kept killing my settlers in africa
12:25 <Lucifer_arma> in the beginning I was all trying to help but was too far away to build the units needed against luke
12:25 <spidey> -_-
12:25 <Lucifer_arma> I know they had a city, but I don't know where it was.  Those forts were supposed to protect against the barbarians too.
12:26 <Lucifer_arma> I had decided that when I had an average of about 8 MI and armor units in each fort and city along my front lines, I would start in on air support units
12:26 <Lucifer_arma> but I was building cruise missiles anyway in one city
12:26 <spidey> man
12:26 <Lucifer_arma> two, shanghai too, but I expected to lose that city pretty early in the fighting anyway
12:26 <spidey> i was putting out a bomber every 5 turns in one city and every 8 turns in another
12:26 <Lucifer_arma> and I was going to let vanhayes come after me, even if that let luke rotting on the vine
12:27 <spidey> lol
12:27 <Lucifer_arma> I had those kinds of production rates, but I was building other improvements at the time
12:27 <Lucifer_arma> more improvements means more targets, and when the other guy starts bombing, that improves the chances that the improvements that matter will survive
12:28 <Lucifer_arma> I was also working on nuke and missile defenses, I wanted those in place before it all hit the fan
12:28 <spidey> when i gave luke all but 2 of my cities they was all building air,nuke,and water defense
12:29 <Lucifer_arma> you should've built paratroopers for your betrayal of vanhayes :)
12:29 <spidey> LOL
12:29 <Lucifer_arma> then toss a few missiles, drop paratroopers
12:29 <Lucifer_arma> my grand plan, had there been time to build it, was to put airbases in north africa and a coupe of cities for paratroopers
12:30 <spidey> ya
12:30 <Lucifer_arma> but the airbases would have drawn too much suspicion, which is why I settled for forts, and even then I put the forts farther south than the air bases I would've put in
12:30 <spidey> before all that happened with my internet i was going t obuild a base in the middle of hayes
12:30 <Lucifer_arma> then I was going to send a couple of submarines over to britain loaded up with cruise missiles to keep you busy while I took on vanhayes
12:31 <spidey> nah
12:31 <Lucifer_arma> the reason I ultimately decided I should've allied with luke was because if he could've pressed from the east, it would have helped my own attack quite a bit
12:31 <spidey> my battleships would have killed the subs
12:31 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'd have sent the subs with enough missiles that I could shoot the battleships when I saw them :)
12:31 <Lucifer_arma> I did that at the end there, right before I cut out
12:32 <Lucifer_arma> cruise missiles are very useful weapons :)
12:32 <spidey> heh
12:32 <spidey> i like nukes
12:32  * spidey turns into russians
12:32 <Lucifer_arma> nukes are nice if planned well, to be honest
12:32 <spidey> ya
12:32 <Lucifer_arma> I'll nuke a capital city and then take it with ground units, and I'll nuke key production cities, but I'll also have some engineers ready to clean up
12:32 <Lucifer_arma> I don't want nuclear winter!
12:33 <spidey> lol
12:33 <spidey> before i gave everything to luke
12:33 <Lucifer_arma> man, you've gotta feel some sympathy for vanhayes though.  Everything was going so well for him, then in two turns he was wiped out.
12:33 <spidey> my production was so high i had 30tons of pollution
12:33 <spidey> lol,ya
12:33 <Lucifer_arma> heh, when I noticed that we were matching in pollution, I built some reccycling centers and stuff to cut mine
12:34 <spidey> i built transits
12:34 <Lucifer_arma> I think we were pretty closely matched, except that you'd been building military units a lot longer than I was, but I didn't want you to see that we were closely matched
12:34 <spidey> heh
12:34 <Lucifer_arma> because then you would have seen me as a real threat, not someone to be walked over like you did in asia and then america
12:35 <spidey> for only 5 cities i did pretty well
12:35 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, you did.  :)
12:35 <Lucifer_arma> in civ1, the best strategy was to only build 4-5 cities and make them high producing cities, then conquer the world
12:36 <Lucifer_arma> sometime after you get gunpowder, anyway
12:36 <Lucifer_arma> apparently that changed in civ2, but I didn't play enough of it to get the hang of what was different
12:36 <spidey> lol
12:37 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I'm still a bit locked in civ1 strategy, so I only built 4 cities and used those for a long time
12:37 <spidey> ya
12:38 <Lucifer_arma> had I played it smartly and kept building settlers and sending them north so I could settle the whole continent, I would have walked over vanhayes much earlier
12:38 <spidey> lol
12:38 <Lucifer_arma> but I only wanted to cripple him, you were the biggest threat, as long as american battleships didn't appear anyway
12:38 <Lucifer_arma> and when I saw todd show up with ironclads, I stopped being worried :)
12:39 <spidey> LOL
12:39 <spidey> todd once was ranked highest by army
12:39 <spidey> what happened to him
12:39 <Lucifer_arma> next game will be different.
12:39 <spidey> :-s
12:40 <Lucifer_arma> that was in defensive units, and you know that.  :)
12:40 <spidey> yes,for one i won't pick a nation with a shitty land mass -_
12:40 <spidey> -_-
12:40 <spidey> todd didn't have many cities
12:40 <Lucifer_arma> I usually only attack with 2 units left in each city to defend, and most of this game I didn't have any units in my cities
12:40 <spidey> he had more than me
12:40 <spidey> but not alot
12:40 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know how many ships he had around, those count too
12:41 <Lucifer_arma> and I'd guess he had at least 2 units in every city, maybe 3 or more
12:41 <Lucifer_arma> you wouldn't have noticed, you nuked :)
12:41 <spidey> haha
12:41 <spidey> i wanted his cities with minimal losses
12:41 <spidey> i knew i was gonna turn on hayes
12:41 <Lucifer_arma> well of course, after todd you either had to come at me or him, one of the two
12:42 <spidey> well my plan was
12:42 <Lucifer_arma> I was going to be costly, and when I saw how it was going I was preparing.  Vanhayes was supposed to be costly too, heh.
12:42 <spidey> capture haye's cities build them up 
12:42 <spidey> then come after you
12:42 <Lucifer_arma> he probably thinks we coordinated the betrayal from the way it looked
12:42 <spidey> lol
12:42 <spidey> nah
12:42 <spidey> i only told luke
12:43 <Lucifer_arma> heh, well obviously I wasn't going to sit by and watch.  I was either coming to his aid or dividing his kingdom up with you
12:43 <spidey> told him to try to hang in till my nuke finished
12:43 <Lucifer_arma> well I told Luke too, maybe that's why he was only worried about vanhayes when he talked to me
12:43 <spidey> heh
12:44 <spidey> i only nuked luke because hayes knew i had one left and it would have looked weird if i bypassed him
12:44 <Lucifer_arma> man, I was building a new cruise missile every 3 turns
12:44 <spidey> heh
12:45 <Lucifer_arma> faster when I had money to buy them, but I admit I was spending that on MI and armor
12:45 <spidey> ya
12:45 <spidey> i used most of my money on nukes
12:45 <Lucifer_arma> actually, it was 2 missiles every 3 turns, but shanghai doesn't really count.  Those were built to defend that city, not run a campaign
12:45 <spidey> which is why i was low on troops
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12:46  * spidey slaps [Xpert]DarkStar
12:46 <Lucifer_arma> I would have been perfectly happy to collect all of vanhayes' troops for him and then move them to some island in the south pacific
12:46 <spidey> [NP]Tangent WAKE UP!
12:46 <spidey> heh
12:46 <spidey> i should have allied with todd
12:46 <spidey> me and him could have whiped everyone out
12:47 <spidey> speaking of which, i'm picking canada next time
12:47 <Lucifer_arma> maybe vanhayes would've allied with luke then.  I got the impression he was only going after luke because you wanted to, and he had to either do that or come after me
12:47 <Lucifer_arma> well, maybe I'll stay in africa then.  :)  I like africa, really.
12:47 <spidey> lol
12:47 <Lucifer_arma> lots of resources, you can build very nice cities there
12:47 <spidey> it has good oilfeilds
12:58 <Lucifer_arma> australia has some nice oilfields
12:59 <Lucifer_arma> I stuck a mine in one and was getting like 6-8 shields out of it
12:59 <spidey> O.o
12:59 <Lucifer_arma> a factory and another mined field on that city would have made it a very nice city indeed
12:59 <Lucifer_arma> that's the city I gave to luke :)
12:59 <spidey> lol
13:00 <Lucifer_arma> you know, when vanhayes told me shanghai was a nice city, I should've known what to expect in his cities
13:00 <Lucifer_arma> that was in the mid range of my own cities, and the only reason it wasn't a low end city was because I started building new ones late in the game
13:00 <spidey> after i killed hayes' capital and took some of his cities to kill most of his army i gave luke all but 2 of my cities
13:00 <spidey> lol
13:00 <Lucifer_arma> I saw that, I was passing over the one you kept over in the middle east
13:01 <spidey> :p
13:01 <Lucifer_arma> then I was so busy trying to get all of vanhayes' cities out of disorder that I didn't want to take the time to break off peace with you just so I could attack one measly city
13:01 <spidey> lol
13:02 <spidey> i kept a city in america to
13:02 <spidey> didn't mean to
13:02 <Lucifer_arma> I was going to give luke back all of his asian cities, rebuild vanhayes's empire, and ask for a save game and finish it up tomorrow
13:02 <arctanx> are you guys still talking about the same game?
13:02 <Lucifer_arma> then we'd fight a real world war
13:02 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
13:02 <arctanx> the one you were talking about almost 2 hours ago? :P
13:02 <arctanx> how long did it go for?
13:02 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's a game that takes several days to play, you kinda want to talk about it afterwards :)
13:02 <spidey> it went for 2 days
13:03 <Lucifer_arma> I estimate it was about a 12 hour game, possibly longer
13:03 <arctanx> gee. any sleeping in that?
13:03 <spidey> yes
13:03 <Lucifer_arma> would have been much longer if vanhayes didn't have such a shitty empire that I had to leave before I puked
13:03 <spidey> that's what saves are for :p
13:03 <spidey> LOL
13:04 <Lucifer_arma> I need to work on my early empire building, though.  It's taking me too long to get a strong empire going
13:05 <spidey> heh
13:05 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, were you feeding vanhayes all those technologies?  That's why I thought he had more than he had, I wasn't contributing much technology to the alliance but he kept giving them to me
13:05 <Lucifer_arma> so I thought he'd developed them himself
13:05 <Lucifer_arma> after I thought about it later, it occured to me that maybe you had developed most of them while he and I were off in asia
13:05 <spidey> i gave him some of them
13:07 <spidey> hmm
13:07 <spidey> ironic
13:07 <spidey> didn't rome actually fall because of betrayal?
13:08 <Lucifer_arma> yep :)
13:08 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I just connected to the game, barbarians have taken over most of the world
13:08 <spidey> haha
13:09 <Lucifer_arma> this might be an interesting save game to play, actually
13:09 <Lucifer_arma> you know, to pick up where it's at
13:10 <spidey> O.o
13:10 <Lucifer_arma> there's only two civilizations left, it's in nuclear winter
13:22 <spidey> wasn't it in nuclear winter before we left?
13:25 <spidey> http://www.volny.cz/behounek/freeciv/maps/index.html#lgm180x90
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13:27 <Nixda584> hi
13:27 <spidey> 2020?
13:27 <Nixda584> hi spidey
13:27 <spidey> 'ello
13:28 <Nixda584> what means 2020?
13:28 <spidey> ?
13:28 <Nixda584> are u speak german?
13:28 <spidey> no
13:29 <Nixda584> u wrote "2020?" what mean that?
13:29 <spidey> it's a persons name
13:29 <Nixda584> ok i understand
13:30 <Nixda584> ;-)
13:31 <Nixda584> we are alone her in this chat room?
13:31 <spidey> nah
13:31 <Nixda584> nah?
13:31 <spidey> no
13:32 <Nixda584> are u play armagetron?
13:32 <spidey> yes
13:32 <Nixda584> and what is u favorit server?
13:33 <Nixda584> hi wejp
13:33 <spidey> i don't really have a favorite,i play where there's the most people at that time
13:33 <wejp> hi
13:33 <Nixda584> do u know silvs tavern?
13:33 <spidey> yes
13:33 <Nixda584> @wejp mal wieder hier zu sehen gruss von pegasus
13:34 <wejp> :)
13:34 <Nixda584> :-))
13:34 <wejp> wieso hast du hier so einen komischen namen?
13:34 <Nixda584> @wejp weil ich nicht angemeldet bin
13:35 <wejp> hm, man muss sich doch nirgends anmelden o_O
13:36 <Nixda584> @wejp du bringst mich jetzt in verlegenheit ich habe einfach nur login gedr?ckt ohne einen namen einzugeben und habe automatisch diesen namen zugeordnet bekommen
13:36 <wejp> ach ich glaube du bis ?ber so ein web-irc teil hier im channel.
13:37 <wejp> dachte du h?ttest ganz normal einen irc client
13:37 <wejp> ;)
13:37 <Nixda584> @wejp ;-))
13:38 <Nixda584> irc steht f?r?
13:38 <wejp> internet relay chat
13:38 <Nixda584> c=client
13:38 <Nixda584> ok
13:38 <Nixda584> danke
13:38 <wejp> halt ein riesiges chat netzwerk, in unserem fall halt freenode
13:38 <wejp> irc gibt es schon seeeeeehr lange
13:39 <Nixda584> @wejp irc ist mir wohl entgangen ;-)
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13:39 <wejp> naja du benutzt es ja grade, wenn auch ?ber so ein seltsames webinterface ;)
13:40  * spidey slaps wejp
13:40 <wejp> :P
13:40 <Nixda584> ich werde mich ?ber freenode jetzt mal ein wenig schlau machen
13:40 <spidey> :D
13:40 <wejp> ok
13:40 <wejp> ;)
13:40 <Nixda584> bye
13:40 <wejp> cu
13:41 <spidey> same here
13:41 <Nixda584> sch?n mal wieder was von dir geh?rt zu haben
13:41 <spidey> #night
13:41 <armabot> Good night spidey!
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13:41 <wejp> :)
13:41 <Nixda584> bye spidey
13:41 <Nixda584> @all  bye bye
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14:26 <Lucifer_arma> damn, it's hard to reconquer a continent full of barbarians with railroads
14:26 <Lucifer_arma> soon as you take a city they take it right back
14:46 <GodTodd> heh
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16:45 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.freeciv.org/index.php/Client_Manual#Citizen_Management_Agent_.28CMA.29_detailed
17:06  * spidey yawns
17:07 <spidey> i'm not sure going to sleep was a good idea -_-
17:09 <Lucifer_arma> heh
17:09 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm about to go to sleep now, but I found some little interesting tidbits
17:09 <Lucifer_arma> the CMA I just linked
17:10 <spidey> i know :)
17:10 <Lucifer_arma> if you haven't found it already, you can save your global worklists with File->Save Settings.  That saves global worklists among your settings.
17:10 <spidey> i use it
17:10 <spidey> gotta go
17:10 <Lucifer_arma> bye
17:10 <Lucifer_arma> have fun at the funeral
17:10 <spidey> -_-
17:10 <Lucifer_arma> show them the fun in funeral :)
17:10 <spidey> 95 fucking degrees
17:10 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I'm a get some sleep, then cook dinner, then get my settings saved the way I want them, with the right popups and everything
17:28 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6085 /private/nemostultae/ruby/armagetronad/src/swig/ext/armagetronad/tools/ (tTypemaps.i tools.i): Added typemaps for tString
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19:25 <ghableska> hello
19:26 <guru3> 'lo
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19:57 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
20:02 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6086 /private/nemostultae/ruby/armagetronad/src/swig/ext/armagetronad/tools/tTypemaps.i: Use StringValuePtr over STR2CSTR
20:04 <Vanhayes> hey ghableska 
20:22 <Vanhayes> #realchatlogs
20:22 <armabot> Vanhayes: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/
20:39 <wrtlprnft> are they updated again?
20:40 <wrtlprnft> my wlan is having weird issues and disconnects briefly all the time, with the effect that for some reason all my NFS mounts get unmounted
20:41 <wrtlprnft> obviously not, last time was around 8AM..
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20:47 <Nullipennes>  38 check this  http://www.goolook.ru/?ref_id=11389
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20:47 <ghableska> O_o
20:49 <wrtlprnft> now we're getting IRC spam?
20:49 <ghableska> looks like it
20:49 <wrtlprnft> and i clicked it :(
20:49  * wrtlprnft punches himself
20:49 <ghableska> me too, lol
20:49 <luke-jr_> lol
20:49 <luke-jr_> ref_id is a give away
20:50 <wrtlprnft> yeah
20:50 <wrtlprnft> that's why i thought AFTER i clicked it
20:50 <luke-jr_> =p
20:50 <wrtlprnft> *that's what
20:50  * wrtlprnft wonders what the 38 means
20:50 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6087 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/values/veComparison.cpp: If no comparison can be made, return NAN? =p
20:55 <luke-jr_> I bet NAN casts to 0 anyway =p
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20:55 <wrtlprnft> nope
20:55 <mycotrophic>  8 check it http://www.goolook.ru/?ref_id=11389
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20:55 <ghableska> lol
20:56 <luke-jr_> OMG I GOTTA CHECK IT
20:56 <wrtlprnft> i guess freenode will take care of it
20:56 <wrtlprnft> anyone feel like contacting staff?
20:56 <luke-jr_> unless I do first
20:56 <luke-jr_> he has the same IP every time
20:56 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: try std::cerr << (1./0.) << std::endl;
20:57 <luke-jr_> ?
20:57 <wrtlprnft> it'll print nan, so it isn't stored as 0
20:57 <luke-jr_> that'd be INF
20:57 <luke-jr_> no, I mean when it's cast to int
20:57 <wrtlprnft> then it will probably
20:57 <luke-jr_> o well
20:58 <luke-jr_> not sure what else to do with Jon's example
20:58 <wrtlprnft> just use 3-bit ints everywhere and you'll be fine
20:59 <wrtlprnft> I think we should limit our use of numbers to fields :P
20:59 <luke-jr_> ?
20:59 <luke-jr_> 2026/tcp closed scrabble
20:59 <luke-jr_> wtf
21:04 <wrtlprnft> ?
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23:01 <spidey> funerals are sad :(
23:01 <Your_mom_arma> yeah. thats life
23:02 <GodTodd> yeah...last one i went to was my stepdad's a couple years ago
23:02 <Vanhayes> yea especially if you know the family really wel, or it is family
23:02 <spidey> is family
23:02 <spidey> and during my other aunt passed out
23:02 <spidey> -_-
23:06 <spidey> ahhhh
23:06 <spidey> i had a major head ache for the past 3 hours
23:06 <spidey> my grandma wouldn't let me take me cigarettes with me -_-
23:08 <Vanhayes> well it is kind of rude to smoke at a funeral
23:08 <Vanhayes> really rude if they did of cancer
23:09 <spidey> stomach cancer
23:09 <Vanhayes> hmm, I went to a funeral of a freinds mom who Ive know all my life who died of stomach cancer too
23:09 <Vanhayes> yesterday
23:11 <spidey> first time i saw my cousin cry :(
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23:32  * Vanhayes goes to mow
23:37  * spidey finishes resident evil
23:39 -!- Self_Destructo [n=sd@h80.175.40.162.ip.alltel.net] has joined #armagetron
23:39 <Self_Destructo> question
23:40 <TiTnAsS> its self_destructo
23:40 <TiTnAsS> how you been? ^^
23:40 <Self_Destructo> hey TnA
23:40 <Self_Destructo> good, you?
23:40 <TiTnAsS> why dont you log on msn nemore? o.O
23:40 <TiTnAsS> good
23:40 <Self_Destructo> well, kinda don't really have internet access anymore
23:40 <Self_Destructo> but I will soon
23:40 <TiTnAsS> oh, that sucks
23:40 <TiTnAsS> what happened?
23:41 <Self_Destructo> probably in a month or 2 I should be back :D
23:41 <Self_Destructo> ah, well, I just decided to take a break and straighten some things out
23:41 <TiTnAsS> lol, so you canceled your internet subscription? o.O
23:42 <TiTnAsS> or your just choosing not to log on lately
23:42 <TiTnAsS> - -;
23:42 <Self_Destructo> niether
23:42 <Self_Destructo> I moved my computer home
23:42 <Self_Destructo> it was at dad's office
23:42 <Self_Destructo> which is where I m at now
23:44 <Self_Destructo> I come to ask a question about 3.0
23:45 <Self_Destructo> I know that it will be possible to a reason to kicks ard bans that will be displayed...
23:46 <spidey> SD!
23:46 <Self_Destructo> but I was wondering if it was an optional feature, and if it is, then could they make a setting that could make it an option
23:46 <Self_Destructo> because on my server I want it to be required, to lessen the disputes
23:46 <Self_Destructo> hey spidey men
23:47 <Self_Destructo> man*
23:47 <spidey> dude
23:47 <Self_Destructo> ...
23:47 <spidey> your ogame count got deleted :(
23:47 <spidey> account*
23:47 <Self_Destructo> i don't doubt
23:47 <spidey> poor fireball,when he gets a fleet he gets phalanxed and crashed :(
23:48 <Self_Destructo> after a while I just forgot to login... or wasn't interested, or didn't have time to... lol
23:48 <Self_Destructo> darn
23:48 <Self_Destructo> what rank are you guys?
23:48 <spidey>  Points	90840 (Rank 1008 of 4282)
23:48 <spidey> :)
23:48 <Self_Destructo> nice
23:49 <spidey> 30k of my points are from fleet
23:49 <TiTnAsS> spidey, lol
23:49 <spidey> the clan is ranked 120
23:49 <TiTnAsS> "i learned something important, dont let tna play for you!"
23:49 <TiTnAsS> rofl
23:50 <spidey> with 15 members
23:50 <spidey> TiTnAsS?
23:50 <TiTnAsS> all i did was take people out of stuff and run em around, had no clue what i was doing, sorry bout fucking up your area
23:50 <TiTnAsS> ?
23:50 <spidey> doesn't matter
23:50 <spidey> me and Lucifer_arma pwned van
23:50 <spidey> :p
23:50 <TiTnAsS> lol
23:50 <spidey> well
23:51 <TiTnAsS> id like to learn that game, but i dont understand it at all ...
23:51 <spidey> i started a small invasion,Lucifer_arma did the rest
23:51 <TiTnAsS> i understand the concept, but i dunno how to do it i mean
23:51 <Vanhayes> bastards
23:51 <spidey> "D
23:51 <spidey> :D
23:51 <Vanhayes> I gave you almost all of you techs
23:51 <spidey> most of them,i had a bit before :p
23:52 <TiTnAsS> lol, then you killed him?
23:52 <TiTnAsS> hah
23:52 <spidey> besides, you where agressing to much
23:52 <Vanhayes> not on you...
23:52 <spidey> so
23:52 <spidey> you was like germany in ww2
23:52 <Vanhayes> and who took all of GodTodd's cities?
23:52 <spidey> and me and Lucifer_arma was the allied forces :D
23:52 <Vanhayes> not me..
23:52 <TiTnAsS> lol
23:52 <TiTnAsS> luke?
23:52 <TiTnAsS> ^^
23:53 <spidey> luke almost died
23:53 <spidey> lol
23:53 <spidey> Vanhayes, you already killed todd
23:53 <spidey> i took them for a fall back after i nuked you
23:53 <spidey> it was either me take todds cities, or you
23:53 <Vanhayes> that was a pretty pathetic attack btw
23:53 <spidey> i choose me :)
23:53 <spidey> no
23:53 <Vanhayes> you sent one wave and I took all them back
23:53 <spidey> you don't understand what i was doing
23:53 <spidey> so??
23:54 <Vanhayes> pussying out
23:54 <spidey> my main goal was to weakin your army
23:54 <spidey> if i take your city
23:54 <spidey> your units for that city go away
23:54 <spidey> you recapture it you still don't get those troops back
23:54 <Vanhayes> most of my units werent on that continent
23:54 <spidey> no,but the cities that produced them was
23:54 <spidey> :)
23:54 <Vanhayes> if they are in aanother city they can make that there home
23:55 <Vanhayes> o well who won that game anyway?
23:55 <Vanhayes> me or luci
23:55 <spidey> barbarians
23:55 <Vanhayes> ?
23:55 <TiTnAsS> lol..
23:55 <spidey> barbarians took almost everything
23:55 <spidey> lol
23:55 <Vanhayes> I had 500 points luci had 350 when I left...
23:55 <TiTnAsS> barbarians..just randomly attack? or what
23:55 <Vanhayes> yes
23:55 <Vanhayes> lol
23:55 <TiTnAsS> o.O
23:55 <Vanhayes> they can take your cities
23:56 <TiTnAsS> lol
23:56  * Vanhayes wants to try another stratagie this time
23:56 <TiTnAsS> barbarians running cities..hmm
23:56 <Vanhayes> heh
23:56 <TiTnAsS> freeciv SOUNDS like alot of fun
23:56 <TiTnAsS> - -;
23:56 <Vanhayes> my current startegy wins the game by points, but that can get boring
23:57 <Vanhayes> ya I have yet to finish a full game
23:57 <spidey> btw
23:57 <TiTnAsS> i cant even learn the game lol, im to fucking stupid
23:57 <spidey> if your civ gets destroyed
23:57 <spidey> you don't get points
23:57 <spidey> you're out
23:57 <Vanhayes> true
23:57 <spidey> your civ
23:57 <spidey> destroyed
23:57 <spidey> :)
23:57 <Vanhayes> well I gave up and went to bed at 6 am 
23:57 <Vanhayes> got up 4 hours later
23:58 <spidey> luci would have taken your city anyways :p
23:58 <Vanhayes> I mean I gave up before that
23:58 <Vanhayes> I gave all my cities to luke
23:58 <spidey> so did i
23:58 <TiTnAsS> do you guys CONSTANTLY paly this game? lol
23:58 <Vanhayes> nah
23:58 <TiTnAsS> every time ive came here, you guys have been playing it
23:59 <TiTnAsS> mostly the same game to..
23:59 <Vanhayes> I played one game over the last two days
23:59 <Vanhayes> lol
23:59 <TiTnAsS> yeah, cuz they last for 2 days
23:59 <TiTnAsS> lo
23:59 <spidey> lol
23:59 <Vanhayes> that one I think took 8 hours and It still wasnt done

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