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Log from 2006-08-10:
--- Day changed Thu Aug 10 2006
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00:02 <wrtlprnft> missing some modules
00:02 <wrtlprnft> WARNING 2006-08-10T00:03:12 Failed to load Babelfish: No module named Babelfish.
00:02 <wrtlprnft> WARNING 2006-08-10T00:03:13 Failed to load CyborgName: No module named CyborgName.
00:02 <wrtlprnft> WARNING 2006-08-10T00:03:14 Failed to load Freshmeat: No module named Freshmeat.
00:02 <wrtlprnft> WARNING 2006-08-10T00:03:16 Failed to load Linux: No module named Linux.
00:02 <wrtlprnft> WARNING 2006-08-10T00:03:16 Failed to load Markov: No module named Markov.
00:02 <wrtlprnft> WARNING 2006-08-10T00:03:17 Failed to load Python: No module named Python.
00:02 <wrtlprnft> WARNING 2006-08-10T00:03:29 Failed to load Sourceforge: No module named Sourceforge.
00:02 <wrtlprnft> WARNING 2006-08-10T00:03:30 Failed to load Weather: No module named Weather.
00:03 <wrtlprnft> no terribly useful ones anyways
00:03 <wrtlprnft> #echo hi
00:03 <armabot> hi
00:03 <wrtlprnft> #f
00:03 <armabot> Random Fortune: BOFH Excuse #388: || Bad user karma.
00:03 <wrtlprnft> #notes
00:03 <armabot> wrtlprnft: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, *josh*, ar*, Nickserv, operserv, someone, and unknown.
00:03 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: you're still owner, do what you want if you need to fix the bot, I'm going to bed.
00:04 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:04 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:05 <Lucifer_arma> hahahahaha
00:05 <Lucifer_arma> my wife started looking for the phone, so she pushed the page button on the base, and the phone in her hand started beeping
00:05 <Luke-Jr> ...
00:07 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'm turning my server off for a few minutes while I rearrange hard drives in the case
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00:21 <DrJoeTron> oh how i love when arma loves to open it self four times
00:24 <Luke-Jr> you do that, not arma
00:24 <Luke-Jr> don't be acting like TNA now =p
00:31 <DrJoeTron> fuck off :D
00:31 <DrJoeTron> how dare you compare me to him
00:32 <DrJoeTron> you're absolutly right its me doing it
00:33 <DrJoeTron> because for some reason the keyboard isnt recognised off of the desktop for 30 seconds
00:33 <DrJoeTron> which still should be sort of instant i would like to think ;)
00:34 <DrJoeTron> so while im hitting enter, its still using the desktop for some reason and opens arma multiple times
00:35 <DrJoeTron> and now arma doesnt like me alt-tabbing :/
00:35 <DrJoeTron> all of the textures dim to nothing 
00:38 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6057 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/ (42 files in 2 dirs): merged tValueSplit
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00:42 <Luke-Jr> crap
00:42 <Luke-Jr> I think I just messed up Svn
00:48 <DrJoeTron> MAN this is getting so old
00:49 <DrJoeTron> fuck this worthless game
00:49 <DrJoeTron> brb im gonna restart
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00:49 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6058 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/ (Makefile.am tools/tValueParser.h): that last commit didnt work correctly-- hopefully this is all that went wrong
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00:50 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6059 /armagetronad/branches/tValueSplit/: merged-- bye bye branch
00:51 <DrJoeTron> armegetron tends to not recognize the keyboard, so when i hit enter, it just opens the game again, and then stalls the computer
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00:52 <DrJoeTron> there now it stopped
00:53 <DrJoeTron> im still insulted luke
00:54 <Luke-Jr> sorry, don't say dumb stuff =p
00:55 <DrJoeTron> its a bug that makes me open it multiple times
00:55 <DrJoeTron> no one likes a bigort
00:55 <DrJoeTron> ot*
00:55 <Luke-Jr> not in the game
00:55 <DrJoeTron> damn my hotdog fingers
00:56 <DrJoeTron> ive had this problem always on the windows build
00:56 <Luke-Jr> then maybe you should report it
00:57 <DrJoeTron> probably should
00:57 <DrJoeTron> but everytime im about to it stops doing it
00:57 <DrJoeTron> its like crying wolf, and having it run off long enough to think its been hit by a bus.
00:58 <DrJoeTron> only to return with its kin
00:58 <DrJoeTron> and metal teeth
00:58 <DrJoeTron> i should write books "D
00:58 <Luke-Jr> =p
01:01 <DrJoeTron> im waiting for these air bubbles to settle off my ds :/
01:01 <DrJoeTron> i just installed these ultra screen protectors
01:13 <Lucifer_arma> jesus joe, you did write a book
01:18 <Luke-Jr> lol
01:18 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: doesn't the DS have WiFi?
01:18 <Luke-Jr> port Arma to it
01:24 <DrJoeTron> yes
01:24 <DrJoeTron> haha i should
01:24 <DrJoeTron> i need to buy the dev kit for the ds
01:24 <Luke-Jr> why?
01:24 <Luke-Jr> download it
01:25 <DrJoeTron> cartridge?
01:25 <DrJoeTron> i have nothing to put it on
01:25 <Luke-Jr> o
01:25 <Luke-Jr> emulator
01:25 <Luke-Jr> for now
01:25 <DrJoeTron> im waiting for them to perfect the crartridge
01:25 <Luke-Jr> when it works, buy flash cart
01:25 <DrJoeTron> i have one for gba thought :p
01:25 <DrJoeTron> 64mbit though :/
01:26 <DrJoeTron> and im not sure if the ds can handle arma
01:26 <DrJoeTron> but it would be really neat
01:26 <DrJoeTron> the bottom screen could show the grid
01:27 <DrJoeTron> and the top could show the game
01:27 <Luke-Jr> I have a GBC flash cart
01:27 <DrJoeTron> im pretty sure the ds can only render 3d images on one screen at a time
01:27 <Luke-Jr> that's fine
01:27 <Luke-Jr> the HUD map doesn't need to be 3D
01:27 <DrJoeTron> good
01:28 <DrJoeTron> 	67 MHz ARM946E-S (ARM) and 33 MHz ARM7TDMI coprocessor
01:28 <Luke-Jr> ouch
01:28 <Luke-Jr> really that slow??
01:28 <DrJoeTron> yup
01:28 <Luke-Jr> how does it run anything??
01:29 <DrJoeTron> very well
01:29 <DrJoeTron> ;)
01:29 <DrJoeTron> people have done some pretty cool things though in the homebrew community
01:29 <DrJoeTron> though one sign that the ds is kind a clunky is the Opera browser
01:30 <DrJoeTron> takes about 3 minutes to load cnn.com
01:31 <DrJoeTron> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_DS#Technology
01:32 <DrJoeTron> think of this thing as nothing more than a slightly over clocked, smaller N64
01:33 <Luke-Jr> N64 certainly was more than 67 MHz
01:36 <DrJoeTron> 	93.75 MHz NEC VR4300 :p
01:36 <DrJoeTron> the only thing that was super horrible for the n64 was the z buffer
01:41 <Luke-Jr> oooh
01:41 <Luke-Jr> you don't need to buy a cart
01:41 <Luke-Jr> just send it via Wifi!
01:41 <DrJoeTron> that involves some major hacking
01:41 <DrJoeTron> and a super stripped version of arma
01:42 <Luke-Jr> can't copy the whole game?
01:42 <DrJoeTron> its only a 4mb cache for download play
01:42 <Luke-Jr> so?
01:42 <Luke-Jr> Arma barely fits in 4 MB :)
01:42 <DrJoeTron> arma needs to be stripped 
01:42 <DrJoeTron> older versions yes
01:42 <Luke-Jr> 0.2.8
01:43 <Luke-Jr> the program itself, that is
01:43 <DrJoeTron> its a little more complicated than just sending it via wifi
01:44 <DrJoeTron> still involves me spending money on a wireless receiver
01:44 <DrJoeTron> for the pc
01:44 <DrJoeTron> i have the usb connector for the ds
01:44 <DrJoeTron> but the only thing i can do is turn it into an access point if i futz with the drivers
01:44 <Luke-Jr> so?
01:45 <Luke-Jr> emulate a DS on the PC
01:45 <DrJoeTron> there isnt a good one out yet
01:45 <Luke-Jr> well, you got plenty of time to test on an emu until it works
01:47 <DrJoeTron> it might be better to just do this off of the psp
01:47 <DrJoeTron> psp's hardware is far superior in comparison to the ds
01:47 <DrJoeTron> just the ds's has much better games for it
01:49 <Luke-Jr> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:DSlinuxShot.jpg
01:49 <Luke-Jr> and linux
01:55 <Luke-Jr> I think FTGL kills any hope of 4 MB AA
01:55 <DrJoeTron> FTGL?
01:56 <Luke-Jr> fonts
01:56 <DrJoeTron> oh
01:58 <DrJoeTron> http://ds.qj.net/ for any homebrew information
02:01 <Luke-Jr> actually nm
02:01 <Luke-Jr> Arma font is only 65k
02:01 <spidey> 4mb aa ?
02:03 <DrJoeTron> wait a minute
02:03 <DrJoeTron> what about the floppy version of arma
02:03 <DrJoeTron> anyone remember that post a while back?
02:04 <spidey> floppy version?
02:04 <Luke-Jr> spidey: 4 MB = Nintendo DS
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02:06 <DrJoeTron> thats all of the ds allows, without using a cartridge for Download Play
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02:07 <DrJoeTron> oh man, L and R could be used for turning :D
02:07 <spidey> lmao
02:09 <DrJoeTron> i'd much rather just get a flash cart
02:09 <DrJoeTron> see, here is the deal with download play
02:10 <DrJoeTron> when you download stuff, its there until you turn the system off
02:11 <DrJoeTron> found a fall project! http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/09/wow-your-friends-with-your-very-own-time-fountain/
02:12 <DrJoeTron> brb
02:27 <DrJoeTron> ko
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05:54 <Lucifer_arma> alrighty then, recompiling my kernel with profiling support
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06:52 <Lucifer_arma> oh fuck
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07:23 <spidey> mkzelda ?
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07:52 <Lucifer_arma> jesus fucking christ
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> on one of my old home directories, I had 5.9GB hidden away in hidden directories
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08:21 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, I saw reiser4 as an option when I configured my kernel earlier, do I really need to do what this page says?
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Reiser4_With_Gentoo-Sources
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> #g 117231408 bytes in GB
08:32 <armabot> 117,231,408 bytes = 0.109180257 gigabytes
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> #g 117231408 blocks in GB
08:32 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
08:39 <spidey> #g 117231408 blocks in sectors
08:39 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
08:39 <spidey> -_-
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> #g 60022480896 bytes in gb
08:41 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> #g 60022480896 bytes in GB
08:41 <armabot> 60,022,480,896 bytes = 55.9002914 gigabytes
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> why does fdisk say that's 60.0 GB?
08:42 <spidey> #g 60022480896 / 1024
08:42 <armabot> 60,022,480,896 / 1,024 = 58,615,704
08:42 <spidey> #g 58,615,704 / 1024
08:42 <armabot> 58,615,704 / 1,024 = 57,241.8984
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08:42 <spidey> #g 57,241.8984 / 1024
08:42 <armabot> 57,241.8984 / 1,024 = 55.9002914
08:43 <spidey> fdisk broken?
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> Disk /dev/hdd: 60.0 GB, 60022480896 bytes
08:43 <spidey> maybe 55gb = used
08:43 <spidey> possibly?
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> not according to df
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> I think the 55.9 number is right, though.  It looks very familiar (it's been awhile since I partitioned this drive)
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> Disk /dev/hda: 61.4 GB, 61492838400 bytes
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> #g 61492838400 bytes in GB
08:45 <armabot> 61,492,838,400 bytes = 57.2696686 gigabytes
08:45 <spidey> lol
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> fdisk is smoking crack
08:45 <spidey> haha
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> where's wrtlprnft when you need him?
08:46 <spidey> sleeping?
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: I saw a reiser4 option when I configured my kernel, do you know if that means I still have to download the patch and apply it?  Using gentoo-sources, not vanilla-sources.
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> he needs to go back to canada
08:47 <spidey> haha
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> ever since he got back to germany he's been completely unavailable
08:48 <spidey> i think he'll be on in about 1-2 hours
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm gonna go to bed so I'm not falling asleep during the test tomorrow
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> hopefully I'll be able to make more sense out of this reiser thing.  I want to redesign my partition layout on the server completely, and how I do that depends on this reiser thing
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14:12 <[Xpert]DarkStar> anyone in here got icq?
14:12 <[Xpert]DarkStar> (and having problems with it?)
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17:53 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: so your bot and mine were having a fight?
17:55 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=47.698152,12.631531&spn=0.025591,0.058022&t=h&om=1 <-- this is where i was
17:58 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6060 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/MacOS/Armagetron Advanced.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj: Added tools/values hack.
18:00 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: and i dunno about reiser4
18:00 <wrtlprnft> #google gentoo-sources reiser4
18:00 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.97 seconds: Gentoo Forums :: View topic - Installing Gentoo - The Developers ...: <http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-189250-highlight-stage1+stage3.html>; Gentoo Forums :: View topic - 2.6.12-nitro5 "Make my day": <http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-360178-start-100.html?sid=0f066058ddd63dd287afa2c99905368c>; Gentoo Linux Documentation -- Software: (3 more messages)
18:04 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6061 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/ (28 files in 6 dirs): beautify (uglyify, IMO)
18:05 <Luke-Jr> yay beautify-personal, I don't need to see the effects of beautify =p
18:06 <wrtlprnft> tabs suck
18:08 <Luke-Jr> tabs have a purpose
18:08 <Luke-Jr> they do not suck when used for that purpose
18:14 <wrtlprnft> nothing prevents you to pass your own options to rebeautify, that's what it was meant for
18:15 <wrtlprnft> then, before committing, you use the default params and rebeautify again
18:15 <wrtlprnft> #listhandlers
18:15 <armabot> wrtlprnft: commitnotify, aabetaupdate, wikiupdater, armabotupdater
18:15 <wrtlprnft> #list cia
18:15 <armabot> wrtlprnft: addhandler, describe, listhandlers, removehandler, and runhandler
18:16 <wrtlprnft> #describe aabetaupdate
18:16 <armabot> wrtlprnft: aabetaupdate: Matches on '/www/beta', Performs action of type: 'cmd', On channel: #armagetron, Details: nohup ssh armagetronad@aabeta.dashjr.org /var/www/armagetron/beta/scripts/updateme $message &
18:19 <wrtlprnft> grr
18:24 <wrtlprnft> #removehandler wikiupdater
18:24 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:25 <wrtlprnft> #removehandler aabetaupdate
18:25 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:25 <wrtlprnft> #help addhendler
18:25 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: There is no command "addhendler".
18:25 <wrtlprnft> #help addhandler
18:25 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (addhandler <channel> <shortname> <searchstring> <actiontype> <action>) -- Adds a new handler for commit messages. Actiontype specifies what type of action to do. Currently only "echo" and "cmd" are supported.
18:26 <wrtlprnft> #addhandler #armagetronad aabetaupdate /www/beta cmd "nuhup ssh wrtlprnft@beta.armagetronad.net &"
18:26 <armabot> wrtlprnft: You must have owner capability to do this.
18:27 <wrtlprnft> how do i get that? :s
18:27 <wrtlprnft> #whoami
18:27 <armabot> wrtlprnft: I don't recognize you.
18:28 <wrtlprnft> #whoami
18:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: wrtlprnft
18:28 <wrtlprnft> #addhandler #armagetronad aabetaupdate /www/beta cmd "nuhup ssh wrtlprnft@beta.armagetronad.net &"
18:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: You must have owner capability to do this.
18:28 <wrtlprnft> #list user
18:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: capabilities, changename, hostmask, hostmask add, hostmask list, hostmask remove, identify, list, register, set password, set secure, stats, unidentify, unregister, username, and whoami
18:29 -!- armabot [n=armabot@] has quit ["Ctrl-C at console."]
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18:30 <wrtlprnft> #addhandler #armagetronad aabetaupdate /www/beta cmd "nuhup ssh wrtlprnft@beta.armagetronad.net &"
18:30 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:30 <wrtlprnft> #listhandlers
18:30 <armabot> wrtlprnft: commitnotify, aabetaupdate, wikiupdater, armabotupdater
18:31 <wrtlprnft> i hope it works...
18:31 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler aabetaupdate
18:31 <armabot> wrtlprnft: executed handler aabetaupdate successfully
18:32 <wrtlprnft> #describe armabotupdater
18:32 <armabot> wrtlprnft: armabotupdater: Matches on '/support/armabot', Performs action of type: 'cmd', On channel: #armagetron, Details: /home/supybot/bin/updatearmabot
18:33 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: any chance i can get /home/supybot/bin/updatearmabot or can you at least tell me what it does?
18:46 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034185153.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
19:03 <wrtlprnft> armabot is helping Vanhayes?
19:03 <Vanhayes> ?
19:04 <wrtlprnft> INFO 2006-08-10T19:04:37 help called by "Vanhayes!n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034185153.nb.aliant.net".
19:04 <wrtlprnft> i was just looking over the console output of armabot
19:04 <Vanhayes> ah, ya I'm just using #help
19:08 -!- Vanhayes_ [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034185153.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
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19:09 -!- Vanhayes_ is now known as Vanhayes
19:29 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: all it does is cd to ircstuff/plugins and do svn update
19:29 <Lucifer_arma> it's an anonymous checkout, but you might want to delete and recheck it out
19:33 -!- linuxlizzard [n=linuxl@ip68-0-231-217.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #Armagetron
19:38 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: oh yeah, I had forgotten to take the startup command out of local.start and had recompiled my kernel with profiling support, and was fooling with it.
19:39 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: then I popped back over here and saw the two bots fighting.  Killed mine and took it out of local.start now so it won't happen again.
19:58 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: I think I answered my reiser question.  The kernel support that's there is for reiserFS, aka reiser 3.x and you have to do those instructions to get reiser4.  Are you using reiser4?
20:03 <guru3> hooked up a keyboard to my 770
20:03  * guru3 is chuffed
20:04 <guru3> it's just so cool
20:05 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-216-188-42.client.mchsi.com] has joined #Armagetron
20:06 <ghableska> hello
20:06 <guru3> hello
20:07 <guru3> or domo
20:07 <guru3> or konichiwa
20:07 <ghableska> hello is good enough :)
20:07 <guru3> grand
20:07 <guru3> testing my new keyboard
20:07 <ghableska> hehe
20:08 <ghableska> is it nice?
20:08 <guru3> seems to work mostly ok
20:08 <guru3> its miniature
20:08 <ghableska> ah
20:08 <guru3> and hooked up to my nokia 770 x(
20:08 <guru3> x)
20:08 <ghableska> O_o
20:08 <guru3> its printed for swedish layout
20:08 <guru3> but im using american mapping
20:08 <ghableska> cool
20:08 <guru3> so sometimes i hit the wrong key when i look instead of go by feel
20:08 <ghableska> hm
20:09 <guru3> it's like seeing blue written in yellow and being asked what color it is
20:09 <ghableska> hehe
20:09 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: ok :)
20:17 <wrtlprnft> #describe armabotupdate
20:17 <armabot> wrtlprnft: armabotupdate not found.  Sorry.
20:17 <wrtlprnft> #describe armabotupdater
20:17 <armabot> wrtlprnft: armabotupdater: Matches on '/support/armabot', Performs action of type: 'cmd', On channel: #armagetron, Details: /home/supybot/bin/updatearmabot
20:17 <wrtlprnft> #help addhandler
20:17 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (addhandler <channel> <shortname> <searchstring> <actiontype> <action>) -- Adds a new handler for commit messages. Actiontype specifies what type of action to do. Currently only "echo" and "cmd" are supported.
20:18 <wrtlprnft> #addhandler #armagetron armabotupdater /support/armabot cmd "nohup svn update /home/supybot/ircstuff/plugins &"
20:18 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
20:18 <wrtlprnft> that should work i think
20:26 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6062 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/render/rFont.cpp: Fixed Yet Another Wrapping Bug: for a word that wouldn't fit onto a line the last character on the first line would be ignored.
20:32 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6063 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gWall.cpp:
20:32 <armabot> armagetronad: Worked around inconsistent wall data that comes from old servers.
20:32 <armabot> armagetronad: Optimized distance/alpha calculations a bit.
20:34 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6064 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/ (tools/tDirectories.cpp ui/uMenu.cpp): Rebeautified according to astyle.
20:43 <wrtlprnft> z-man is the performance guy right now. He should go optimize the trunk :s
20:43 <wrtlprnft> the cockpit, to be exac
20:43 <wrtlprnft> t
20:46 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6065 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/ (tools/tDirectories.cpp tron/gWall.cpp): (log message trimmed)
20:46 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 6055 to 6064:
20:46 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
20:46 <armabot> armagetronad:  r6064 | z-man | 2006-08-10 20:35:32 +0200 (Thu, 10 Aug 2006) | 3 lines
20:46 <armabot> armagetronad:  Rebeautified according to astyle.
20:46 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
20:46 <armabot> armagetronad:  r6063 | z-man | 2006-08-10 20:34:18 +0200 (Thu, 10 Aug 2006) | 3 lines
21:02 <Lucifer_arma> when you make a partition, you're limited by blocks, right?  So if you specify a number of bytes that causes the boundary to fall in the middle of a block it gets clamped to the block?
21:04 <Lucifer_arma> #g 60022480896 bytes in GB
21:04 <armabot> 60,022,480,896 bytes = 55.9002914 gigabytes
21:05 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: i guess so
21:05 -!- DrJoeTron [i=DrJoeTr0@adsl-67-37-225-31.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has quit ["Leaving"]
21:09 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/VValue#Random <-- shouldn't that rather be a function?
21:09 <wrtlprnft> and how do you send that to the client?
21:18 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: any idea how much space is saved on a reiserFS vs ext3 when you have lots of little files?
21:19 <Lucifer_arma> I guess I could do a trial run with the portage directory, heh
21:19 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: it's quite a bit
21:19 <wrtlprnft> i'm using reiserfs for everything
21:20 <Lucifer_arma> well, I can't just repartition and reformat, the machine has to be running in the meantime.  :)  So I've got 55GB to work with right now and I'm trying to decide if I should split up /var and /usr from /
21:20 <Lucifer_arma> I will definitely be pulling /boot off to its own partition in a bit, after I get that far
21:21 <wrtlprnft> /boot only needs like 32MB
21:23 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it doesn't need much :)
21:23 <Lucifer_arma> what it really needs is to be isolated from the rest of the system.  iirc, you can unmount it after the machine is booted up.
21:24 <Lucifer_arma> actually it doesn't matter a lot if I'm not going to dual-boot linuxes, but I was thinking of backing it up with a raw image in addition to backing up the files
21:27 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: you don't even need to mount it at all
21:27 <wrtlprnft> it's used by grub only
21:28 <Lucifer_arma> really?  that's interesting, I didn't know that at all
21:28 <Lucifer_arma> so I only need to mount it to back it up
21:29 <wrtlprnft> and to update the kernel
21:29 <Lucifer_arma> right.  :)
21:29 <wrtlprnft> test \n tesz
21:29 <wrtlprnft> finally
21:29  * Lucifer_arma just learned he had to pick kernel sources with eselect and finally got his kernel updated
21:29 <wrtlprnft> irssi was expanding \n to a newline
21:30 <wrtlprnft> which is great for code pastes
21:31 <wrtlprnft> "great"
21:34 <wrtlprnft> armabot's gonna step out for a second
21:34 <wrtlprnft> #quit
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21:36 <wrtlprnft> hmm, armabot is eating 5.3% of my memory after startup
21:44 <Lucifer_arma> wow.  I don't think it ate that much memory after startup when I had it.
21:47 <wrtlprnft> depends on how much memory you have ;)
21:49 <Lucifer_arma> 256MB
21:49 <wrtlprnft> 128
21:49 <Lucifer_arma> I also had two bots running :)
21:49 <wrtlprnft> well, they'll share the python interpreter
21:50 <Lucifer_arma> so /usr is 6GB, /usr/portage is 2GB, and apparently I need a max of 4GB to hold packages on /usr
21:50 <Lucifer_arma> the two bots ran in separate processes and only shared the interpreter on disk, but it was loaded separately in memory
21:51 <wrtlprnft> no, they'll share constants and the binary i think
21:52 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: ??? re Random
21:53 <Lucifer_arma> #g 60022480896/512
21:53 <armabot> 60,022,480,896 / 512 = 117,231,408
21:53 <wrtlprnft> well, how shall the client and the server get the same random value?
21:53 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: /boot doesn't need to be a seperate partition, nor does it need to be mounted *ever*
21:54 <wrtlprnft> a) Lucifer_arma doesn't have it on a separate partition right now
21:54 <wrtlprnft> b) i already told him he doesn't have to mount it
21:54 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: a predictable random algorithm?
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> Luke-Jr: I absolutely don't need you ever telling me how I should set up my computer
21:54 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: I'm not, just telling you that it doesn't need either of those things
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> fact is, making a separate partition for /boot is "best practice" for a lot of reasons, and you're just not in a position to overrule that in my mind
21:55 <wrtlprnft> [blocks B     ] ~media-libs/openal-20050504 (is blocking media-libs/freealut-1.0.1)
21:55 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: which one shall i keep?
21:55 <Luke-Jr> of course you can always opt to do them anyway-- I usually make a /boot partition and leave it unmounted myself
21:55 <wrtlprnft> i don't know what either are
21:55 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: I have no idea what they are
21:57 <wrtlprnft> looks like openal changed their versioning system somehow and they conflict
21:57 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-485036-highlight-freealut.html
21:58 <Lucifer_arma> does reiserfs 3.whatever support quotas?  I seem to recall seeing that it does...
21:58 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: I think so-- IIRC, it just lacks ACLs
21:58 <Lucifer_arma> dn't need acls, regular posix permissions are fine for me :)
21:59 <Lucifer_arma> need quotas though, or my backup plan goes to shit in /home
21:59 <wrtlprnft> [ebuild     U ] x11-drivers/xf86-video-i810-1.6.4 [1.6.1] USE="dri -debug" 434 kB
21:59 <wrtlprnft> sweet.
21:59 <Luke-Jr> I imagine any filesystem needs quotas to be taken seriously these days
21:59 <wrtlprnft> hope it fixes some issues :s
21:59 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: IIRC, Intel just release source for some new drivers
21:59 <wrtlprnft> for some new cards
21:59 <wrtlprnft> i know
22:00 <Lucifer_arma> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_use_User_Quota's  <--- this says it does
22:00 <wrtlprnft> but i didn't know there was an update for older cards too
22:00 <Lucifer_arma> is that going to give you more fps?  :)
22:00 <Luke-Jr> lol
22:00 <wrtlprnft> hope it will, but that's not the main thing
22:00 <wrtlprnft> will i be able to close my notebook again?
22:01 <Luke-Jr> again?
22:01 <wrtlprnft> currently the screen stays black after opening it no matter what i do
22:01 <Luke-Jr> if it used to work, why not downgrade?
22:01 <wrtlprnft> with <xorg-7 it worked
22:01 <Luke-Jr> oh
22:01 <Luke-Jr> that's why XD
22:02 <Lucifer_arma> in fdisk, what exactly do the start and end columns refer to?  cylinders?
22:02 <wrtlprnft> if i only knew...
22:02 <Lucifer_arma> #g 979933/121
22:02 <armabot> 979,933 / 121 = 8,098.61983
22:02 <wrtlprnft> i messed up some things like that already
22:03 <wrtlprnft> i was trying to resize a filesystem, and i couldn't get resizereiserfs or whatever to match the size of fdisk
22:03 <wrtlprnft> I think there's still a few megs of space wasted because I didn't wanna risk losing my data
22:08 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm being totally freaking anal about this
22:08 <Lucifer_arma> fdisk -u will give you size listings in sectors
22:09 <Lucifer_arma> a sector is 512 bytes, iirc, and numSectors * 512 gives the size of the hard drive
22:09 <Lucifer_arma> in bytes, that is
22:11 <Luke-Jr> IIRC, sector size varies from HD to HD
22:12 <Luke-Jr> in theory, anyway
22:12 <wrtlprnft> what about having it display bytes? :s
22:14 <Lucifer_arma> no option, apparently.  I don't think that would be useful anyway if partitions are clamped by sector like they appear to be
22:15 <Lucifer_arma> there's a unit in there that is defined as the same size for all hard drives.  It may be sector, it might be track.  Certainly, I don't remember which it is, but it's the atomic unit as far as partitioning goes, I think.
22:15 <wrtlprnft> Sorry, too late now. Place that in your .screenrc file.    
22:15 <wrtlprnft> guess i'm gonna restart screen
22:15 <wrtlprnft> grr
--- Log closed Thu Aug 10 22:15:43 2006
--- Log opened Thu Aug 10 22:20:19 2006
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22:21 <Lucifer_arma>  /dev/hdd5        20900628    22523129      811251   83  Linux
22:21 <Lucifer_arma>  /dev/hdd5            1302        1402      811251   83  Linux
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> which one is showing me an atomic unit?  is it the second entry or the first?  both are the same partition, the first shows sectors, the second is fdisk default
22:22 <wrtlprnft> dunno...
22:22 <wrtlprnft> use qtparted :P
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> NO!
22:22 <wrtlprnft> haha
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> maybe in a few more versions, but qtparted is the program that currently has the highest likelihood of trashing my partition table earlier this summer
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> besides, while you were gone I said:
22:23  * Lucifer_arma is tired of saying "8GB" and getting "7.9GB"
22:23 <wrtlprnft> heh
22:23 <wrtlprnft> i'm supposed to have 1GB of ram...
22:23 <wrtlprnft> really i have 1010MB
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> that irritates me too.  I have some sticks back there that are like that.  Not in my server right now, though.  :)
22:25  * wrtlprnft hates dealing with hardware
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> ok, looks like I need to use the second entry, which is cylinders like I suspected
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> er no, read that wrong, it doesn't say anything like that :(
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> aha, it asks for cylinders.  :)
22:28 <wrtlprnft> grr, how can i get screen to change the konsole window title?
22:29 <wrtlprnft> zsh does that nicely, but screen won
22:29 <wrtlprnft> 't pass it on to the terminal
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> don't know, screen does it for me just fine
22:31 -!- wejp [n=j0hannes@i577BBB1D.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
22:31 <wrtlprnft> really?
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> so, cylinders is the magic number that partitions are clamped on, and it looks like the operation is truncate
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, screen works nicely for me
22:32 <wrtlprnft> well, it works
22:32 <wrtlprnft> but not the way i'd like it to work
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> I've been doing all my long emerges in a screen session and I use the title of the konsole window for my progress report
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> now I want the largest unit I can get for size that is an integer and as close to GB as possible.  But GB is an irrational number for this hard drive, so I can't just use it.
22:33 <wrtlprnft> o_O
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22:34 <Lucifer_arma> #g 60022480896 / 7296
22:34 <armabot> 60,022,480,896 / 7,296 = 8,226,765.47
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> damn, just lost it completely, the first conversion went to a real number :(
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> s/real/rational
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> ah, I did it wrong
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> #g 60022480896 / 7297
22:35 <armabot> 60,022,480,896 / 7,297 = 8,225,638.06
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> #g 60022480896 / 7298
22:36 <armabot> 60,022,480,896 / 7,298 = 8,224,510.95
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> ok, if I'm going to use an approximation, I'll use GB directly :)
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> #g 60022480896 bytes in GB
22:36 <armabot> 60,022,480,896 bytes = 55.9002914 gigabytes
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> #g 7297/55.9002914
22:37 <armabot> 7,297 / 55.9002914 = 130.535992
22:41 <wrtlprnft> well, if someone sees ed (with one d) coming in here at any time, tell him to be patient as i'm always there but not always active :)
22:42 <wrtlprnft> some people who aren't used to IRC tend to leave withing 5 minutes if noone replies
22:42 <wrtlprnft> or to this sleepy channel
22:45 <wrtlprnft> #night
22:45 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> #g 60.0/1053
23:50 <armabot> 60.0 / 1,053 = 0.056980057
23:50 -!- Luke-Jr [n=luke-jr@user-0c93tin.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> #g 8/1053
23:50 <armabot> 8 / 1,053 = 0.00759734093
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> #g 8*1024/1053
23:51 <armabot> (8 * 1,024) / 1,053 = 7.77967711
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