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[2023-11-10 09:39:48] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Lucifer_arma caan you make it available as a regular epub too? Amazon should allow you to do that and it lets me read it in libera
[2023-11-10 09:39:48] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Lucifer_arma caan you make it available as a regular epub too? Amazon should allow you to do that and it lets me read it in libera
[2023-11-10 11:00:35] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| i suggest sending him a payment
[2023-11-10 11:00:35] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| i suggest sending him a payment
[2023-11-10 11:00:52] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| oh nevermind
[2023-11-10 11:00:52] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| oh nevermind
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[2023-11-10 12:00:28] <armagetronbridge> 11discord:Deso| Are you able to sell this directly to us without the Amazon middleman, or you needed Amazon for the file conversion?
[2023-11-10 12:00:28] <armagetron-bridge> 11discord:Deso| Are you able to sell this directly to us without the Amazon middleman, or you needed Amazon for the file conversion?
[2023-11-10 12:01:08] <armagetronbridge> 11discord:Deso| tbh surprised you would go the amazon route at all
[2023-11-10 12:01:09] <armagetron-bridge> 11discord:Deso| tbh surprised you would go the amazon route at all
[2023-11-10 12:01:17] <armagetronbridge> 11discord:Deso| not that there's really good alternatives
[2023-11-10 12:01:17] <armagetron-bridge> 11discord:Deso| not that there's really good alternatives
[2023-11-10 12:01:36] <armagetronbridge> 11discord:Deso| Amazon doesn't make your anti corporate shitlist?
[2023-11-10 12:01:38] <armagetron-bridge> 11discord:Deso| Amazon doesn't make your anti corporate shitlist?
[2023-11-10 12:58:25] <Lucifer_arma> amazon is "ok", with the huge caveat that they're totally evil because Jeff Bezos is evil
[2023-11-10 12:58:25] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| amazon is "ok", with the huge caveat that they're totally evil because Jeff Bezos is evil
[2023-11-10 12:58:34] <Lucifer_arma> @delinquent: pm me on the forums an email address
[2023-11-10 12:58:35] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| @delinquent: pm me on the forums an email address
[2023-11-10 13:00:34] <Lucifer_arma> I need amazon for the print service right now, even though this is an ebook, I need all the books to be together
[2023-11-10 13:00:34] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I need amazon for the print service right now, even though this is an ebook, I need all the books to be together
[2023-11-10 13:00:58] <armagetronbridge> 11discord:Deso| and yknow destroying small businesses everywhere
[2023-11-10 13:00:59] <armagetron-bridge> 11discord:Deso| and yknow destroying small businesses everywhere
[2023-11-10 13:01:43] <Lucifer_arma> yeah, they're evil.  I *think* they're evil because of jeff bezos, but I don't know that for a fact.  But yeah, they're evil.
[2023-11-10 13:01:44] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| yeah, they're evil.  I *think* they're evil because of jeff bezos, but I don't know that for a fact.  But yeah, they're evil.
[2023-11-10 13:02:58] <Lucifer_arma> but the alternatives here for publishing aren't great, and the alternatives for the shopping is Walmart.
[2023-11-10 13:02:59] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but the alternatives here for publishing aren't great, and the alternatives for the shopping is Walmart.
[2023-11-10 13:07:17] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| lucifer_arma, just take payments without amazon
[2023-11-10 13:07:17] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| lucifer_arma, just take payments without amazon
[2023-11-10 13:09:18] <Lucifer_arma> @Juesto: that's not going to work at all.  But if you're curious to see how much amazon owns in this space, check out other ebook retailers.  Whoever starts carrying this one is owned by amazon.
[2023-11-10 13:09:19] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| @Juesto: that's not going to work at all.  But if you're curious to see how much amazon owns in this space, check out other ebook retailers.  Whoever starts carrying this one is owned by amazon.
[2023-11-10 13:09:30] <Lucifer_arma> But if you want to PM me your email address on the forums, I'll send you the epub
[2023-11-10 13:09:30] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| But if you want to PM me your email address on the forums, I'll send you the epub
[2023-11-10 13:09:56] <Lucifer_arma> that's, unfortunately, how I found out that amazon now owns goodreads
[2023-11-10 13:09:57] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| that's, unfortunately, how I found out that amazon now owns goodreads
[2023-11-10 13:11:13] <Lucifer_arma> it'll be later when I send emails, because i have to go to work in a few minutes
[2023-11-10 13:11:13] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| it'll be later when I send emails, because i have to go to work in a few minutes
[2023-11-10 13:52:12] <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, finding a less evil publisher has been on my todo list for a long time.  I need to have more to publish before that matters much, though.  I also need to have the money to buy my own ISBN, but that's only for print books
[2023-11-10 13:52:13] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| oh yeah, finding a less evil publisher has been on my todo list for a long time.  I need to have more to publish before that matters much, though.  I also need to have the money to buy my own ISBN, but that's only for print books
[2023-11-10 13:52:55] <Lucifer_arma> but there's no exclusive agreement here with amazon.  I can take my work anywhere I want, anytime.  I just need to find somebody else, and I can list simultaneously on amazon and anywhere else I want.
[2023-11-10 13:52:56] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but there's no exclusive agreement here with amazon.  I can take my work anywhere I want, anytime.  I just need to find somebody else, and I can list simultaneously on amazon and anywhere else I want.
[2023-11-10 13:53:11] <Lucifer_arma> This is just a matter of doing the legwork, which isn't worth doing until I have more writing to support
[2023-11-10 13:53:11] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| This is just a matter of doing the legwork, which isn't worth doing until I have more writing to support
[2023-11-10 14:36:21] <Z-Man> Lucifer_arma: no, krawall is out, could be that their logo stil is around and/or a reference to it in a commented/ifdefed out source bit.
[2023-11-10 14:36:21] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| Lucifer_arma: no, krawall is out, could be that their logo stil is around and/or a reference to it in a commented/ifdefed out source bit.
[2023-11-10 15:26:00] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| lucifer_arma, so you dont mind losing money by sending copies?
[2023-11-10 15:26:00] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| lucifer_arma, so you dont mind losing money by sending copies?
[2023-11-10 16:04:35] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| i remember something krawall being a ./configure option when building, don't know if that part is still in there
[2023-11-10 16:04:35] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| i remember something krawall being a ./configure option when building, don't know if that part is still in there
[2023-11-10 17:06:55] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:dinosareyummy| I have a confession to make- I've shopped at Amazon before.
[2023-11-10 17:06:56] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:dinosareyummy| I have a confession to make- I've shopped at Amazon before.
[2023-11-10 17:06:59] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:dinosareyummy| There, I've said it.
[2023-11-10 17:06:59] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:dinosareyummy| There, I've said it.
[2023-11-10 17:10:34] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:dinosareyummy| Tron bike bandit?
[2023-11-10 17:10:34] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:dinosareyummy| Tron bike bandit?
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[2023-11-10 17:52:48] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| everyone has shopped on amazon at least once :D
[2023-11-10 17:52:49] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| everyone has shopped on amazon at least once :D
[2023-11-10 18:01:10] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Lucifer_arma y'know, I'm using this neat little service that pops up my work on just about every store out there, and it'll give me a free ISBN too. They even have a print service.
[2023-11-10 18:01:10] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Lucifer_arma y'know, I'm using this neat little service that pops up my work on just about every store out there, and it'll give me a free ISBN too. They even have a print service.
[2023-11-10 18:01:11] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| https://www.lulu.com/create/ebooks
[2023-11-10 18:01:12] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| https://www.lulu.com/create/ebooks
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[2023-11-10 22:34:06] <Lucifer_arma> Z-Man: So if I remove it from configure.ac, that's fine?  That's where I saw it :)
[2023-11-10 22:34:06] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Z-Man: So if I remove it from configure.ac, that's fine?  That's where I saw it :)
[2023-11-10 22:34:55] <Lucifer_arma> Y'all have to remember that we have to choose our battles.  If we were relying on discord for serious infrastructure, that would be a problem.  Relying on Microsoft isn't exactly a problem, we're just watching to see what they do.  They're coming around, though.
[2023-11-10 22:34:56] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Y'all have to remember that we have to choose our battles.  If we were relying on discord for serious infrastructure, that would be a problem.  Relying on Microsoft isn't exactly a problem, we're just watching to see what they do.  They're coming around, though.
[2023-11-10 22:35:05] <Lucifer_arma> I also wouldn't support relying on amazon for project infrastructure
[2023-11-10 22:35:05] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I also wouldn't support relying on amazon for project infrastructure
[2023-11-10 22:35:45] <Lucifer_arma> The solution to amazon's evilness isn't going to be had through a boycott, because they're just so damn big.  It's through legislation and public shaming.
[2023-11-10 22:35:46] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| The solution to amazon's evilness isn't going to be had through a boycott, because they're just so damn big.  It's through legislation and public shaming.
[2023-11-10 22:36:16] <Lucifer_arma>  but the biggest problems with amazon aren't even amazon-specific, they're a symptom of our shitty economic system
[2023-11-10 22:36:17] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but the biggest problems with amazon aren't even amazon-specific, they're a symptom of our shitty economic system
[2023-11-10 22:36:50] <Lucifer_arma> so if you start attacking every company that does those same things, you're basically going to have to abandon society entirely and go raise your own food.
[2023-11-10 22:36:51] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| so if you start attacking every company that does those same things, you're basically going to have to abandon society entirely and go raise your own food.
[2023-11-10 22:37:12] <Lucifer_arma> I'm lucky that the biggest grocery store in Texas is actually one of the Good Companies.  I don't have to shop at Randall's/Kroger/Safeway
[2023-11-10 22:37:13] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'm lucky that the biggest grocery store in Texas is actually one of the Good Companies.  I don't have to shop at Randall's/Kroger/Safeway
[2023-11-10 22:37:52] <Lucifer_arma> so I vote pro-labor as much as possible, and not a week goes by when I don't regale someone of how amazon drivers and fulfillment center workers have to pee in bottles to avoid getting fired
[2023-11-10 22:37:53] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| so I vote pro-labor as much as possible, and not a week goes by when I don't regale someone of how amazon drivers and fulfillment center workers have to pee in bottles to avoid getting fired
[2023-11-10 22:38:49] <Lucifer_arma> meanwhile, the solution to microsoft's evilness *was* open source software, and we won.  It took companies like google and apple signing on, but we won.
[2023-11-10 22:38:49] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| meanwhile, the solution to microsoft's evilness *was* open source software, and we won.  It took companies like google and apple signing on, but we won.
[2023-11-10 22:39:03] <Lucifer_arma> so the big question with microsoft now is "Are they going to stay trustworthy?"
[2023-11-10 22:39:03] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| so the big question with microsoft now is "Are they going to stay trustworthy?"
[2023-11-10 22:39:29] <Lucifer_arma> IBM failed that test after they almost got broken up.  So I don't trust IBM, even though their adoption of open source was such a big component
[2023-11-10 22:39:30] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| IBM failed that test after they almost got broken up.  So I don't trust IBM, even though their adoption of open source was such a big component
[2023-11-10 22:39:54] <Lucifer_arma> so when you choose your battles, you don't necessarily choose what you can win, you choose what you can fight
[2023-11-10 22:39:54] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| so when you choose your battles, you don't necessarily choose what you can win, you choose what you can fight
[2023-11-10 22:40:08] <Lucifer_arma> so I still fight idealogically against amazon, don't worry :)
[2023-11-10 22:40:08] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| so I still fight idealogically against amazon, don't worry :)
[2023-11-10 22:40:26] <Lucifer_arma> @delinquent: I'll check out lulu
[2023-11-10 22:40:27] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| @delinquent: I'll check out lulu
[2023-11-10 22:40:42] <Lucifer_arma> @Juesto: yes, I'm perfectly happy handing out free copies, and I'm happy if y'all share them
[2023-11-10 22:40:43] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| @Juesto: yes, I'm perfectly happy handing out free copies, and I'm happy if y'all share them
[2023-11-10 22:41:23] <Lucifer_arma> but if amazon asks, you tell them it's a private copy you got from the author, because I should be allowed to do that
[2023-11-10 22:41:24] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but if amazon asks, you tell them it's a private copy you got from the author, because I should be allowed to do that
[2023-11-10 22:41:42] <Lucifer_arma> but if I list the same book somewhere else for cheaper than on amazon, they reserve the right to match that price and cut into my royalties
[2023-11-10 22:41:43] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but if I list the same book somewhere else for cheaper than on amazon, they reserve the right to match that price and cut into my royalties
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