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[2023-10-20 00:17:16] <Lucifer_arma> msvc was ditched because nobody wanted to take the time to maintain it, and mingw had gotten acceptably fast on windows, and in some cases is actually faster
[2023-10-20 00:17:17] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| msvc was ditched because nobody wanted to take the time to maintain it, and mingw had gotten acceptably fast on windows, and in some cases is actually faster
[2023-10-20 00:18:16] <Lucifer_arma> I don't know if msvc has gotten faster again, but I know that when we made the change, it was NOT faster anymore, and targetting one compiler across all platforms is much simpler than targetting several compilers
[2023-10-20 00:18:16] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I don't know if msvc has gotten faster again, but I know that when we made the change, it was NOT faster anymore, and targetting one compiler across all platforms is much simpler than targetting several compilers
[2023-10-20 00:18:45] <Lucifer_arma> the branding thing happened because someone (I forget who, but it's in the Redhat world, so it may have been Fedora) was worried they'd get sued if they kept the word "tron" in the name
[2023-10-20 00:18:45] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| the branding thing happened because someone (I forget who, but it's in the Redhat world, so it may have been Fedora) was worried they'd get sued if they kept the word "tron" in the name
[2023-10-20 00:19:05] <Lucifer_arma> I thought the vsync options were in 0.2, just no GUI selector?
[2023-10-20 00:19:06] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I thought the vsync options were in 0.2, just no GUI selector?
[2023-10-20 00:19:35] <Lucifer_arma> to answer if it's possible for different builds to give more lag, you'd need to define lag :)
[2023-10-20 00:19:35] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| to answer if it's possible for different builds to give more lag, you'd need to define lag :)
[2023-10-20 00:20:18] <Lucifer_arma> there's no specific reason one compiler should have more network latency than another, but it is "possible"
[2023-10-20 00:20:20] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| there's no specific reason one compiler should have more network latency than another, but it is "possible"
[2023-10-20 00:21:16] <Lucifer_arma> I think we'd have been able to grow our popularity more, but there were a lot of things happening at once.  I got divorced, Z-man got a job/married/had a kid.  Tank went to college.  That's the Evil Triumvirate right there.
[2023-10-20 00:21:16] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I think we'd have been able to grow our popularity more, but there were a lot of things happening at once.  I got divorced, Z-man got a job/married/had a kid.  Tank went to college.  That's the Evil Triumvirate right there.
[2023-10-20 00:21:41] <Lucifer_arma> I've only recently fully recovered from that first divorce, and in the meantime, I got married, became an alcoholic, and got divorced again.  These days, I'm focused on a non-armagetron project.
[2023-10-20 00:21:42] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I've only recently fully recovered from that first divorce, and in the meantime, I got married, became an alcoholic, and got divorced again.  These days, I'm focused on a non-armagetron project.
[2023-10-20 00:22:10] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| nope
[2023-10-20 00:22:10] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| nope
[2023-10-20 00:22:26] <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr had a lot of personal problems as well, and then apparently he was a bitcoin founder.  I thought he just fell in with a bad crowd.
[2023-10-20 00:22:27] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| luke-jr had a lot of personal problems as well, and then apparently he was a bitcoin founder.  I thought he just fell in with a bad crowd.
[2023-10-20 00:22:45] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| re vsync in 0.2, doesnt seem like its the case
[2023-10-20 00:22:45] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| re vsync in 0.2, doesnt seem like its the case
[2023-10-20 00:22:55] <Lucifer_arma> nemo moved on in life, and he was our mac maintainer.  Philippeqc moved on, wrtlprnft moved on.
[2023-10-20 00:22:56] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| nemo moved on in life, and he was our mac maintainer.  Philippeqc moved on, wrtlprnft moved on.
[2023-10-20 00:23:15] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| is it the same nemo as on hedgewars?
[2023-10-20 00:23:15] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| is it the same nemo as on hedgewars?
[2023-10-20 00:23:26] <Lucifer_arma> no.  Nemostultae.
[2023-10-20 00:23:26] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| no.  Nemostultae.
[2023-10-20 00:23:32] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| oh okay
[2023-10-20 00:23:32] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| oh okay
[2023-10-20 00:23:40] <Lucifer_arma> It's possible he's resurfaced on hedgewars, but he also dropped his name here when he left
[2023-10-20 00:23:40] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| It's possible he's resurfaced on hedgewars, but he also dropped his name here when he left
[2023-10-20 00:23:55] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| nemo on hedgewars was a lontime person
[2023-10-20 00:23:55] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| nemo on hedgewars was a lontime person
[2023-10-20 00:23:58] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| longtime*
[2023-10-20 00:23:59] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| longtime*
[2023-10-20 00:24:34] <Lucifer_arma> this was like 15 years ago, there's plenty of time for him to have moved on from here to hedgewars and be there for a long time :)
[2023-10-20 00:24:35] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| this was like 15 years ago, there's plenty of time for him to have moved on from here to hedgewars and be there for a long time :)
[2023-10-20 00:24:59] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| no idea ;)
[2023-10-20 00:25:00] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| no idea ;)
[2023-10-20 00:25:26] <Lucifer_arma> I don't know either, but I can tell you his first name is Daniel, so if the nemo in hedgewars is also named Daniel, it's worth following up ;)
[2023-10-20 00:25:27] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I don't know either, but I can tell you his first name is Daniel, so if the nemo in hedgewars is also named Daniel, it's worth following up ;)
[2023-10-20 00:26:10] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| dont know his name
[2023-10-20 00:26:11] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| dont know his name
[2023-10-20 00:26:56] <Lucifer_arma> Z-man's been periodically updating to keep arma compiling on newer compilers.  I don't know that anything else has been done.
[2023-10-20 00:26:56] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Z-man's been periodically updating to keep arma compiling on newer compilers.  I don't know that anything else has been done.
[2023-10-20 00:27:48] <Lucifer_arma> I made a push a few years back to get 0.4 out the door, but then my alcoholism basically took over my life.  I started up again after rehab, but that was also when my marriage entered it's last mile.  SO, chaos.
[2023-10-20 00:27:48] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I made a push a few years back to get 0.4 out the door, but then my alcoholism basically took over my life.  I started up again after rehab, but that was also when my marriage entered it's last mile.  SO, chaos.
[2023-10-20 00:28:41] <Lucifer_arma> I'm looking forward to getting the stockanalyst up and running in a way that it doesn't require so much attention from me so I can focus on other projects in my free time, and arma will come up again, but it's just not possible right now for me to predict when that will happen
[2023-10-20 00:28:41] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'm looking forward to getting the stockanalyst up and running in a way that it doesn't require so much attention from me so I can focus on other projects in my free time, and arma will come up again, but it's just not possible right now for me to predict when that will happen
[2023-10-20 00:29:33] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| im sorry to hear that
[2023-10-20 00:29:33] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| im sorry to hear that
[2023-10-20 00:29:33] <Lucifer_arma> and yeah, in the event that the stockanalyst makes me rich :) we'll get a full-time developer/team, but don't count on that.  Let's not spend money we don't have.  ;)
[2023-10-20 00:29:34] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| and yeah, in the event that the stockanalyst makes me rich :) we'll get a full-time developer/team, but don't count on that.  Let's not spend money we don't have.  ;)
[2023-10-20 00:29:41] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| hopefully you can get things going
[2023-10-20 00:29:41] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| hopefully you can get things going
[2023-10-20 00:30:03] <Lucifer_arma> sober today for 121 days, though.  So that's a thing :)
[2023-10-20 00:30:03] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| sober today for 121 days, though.  So that's a thing :)
[2023-10-20 00:30:25] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| congrats
[2023-10-20 00:30:25] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| congrats
[2023-10-20 00:32:12] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| it could be
[2023-10-20 00:32:12] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| it could be
[2023-10-20 00:32:21] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| member in hedgewars for 14 years  38 weeks
[2023-10-20 00:32:21] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| member in hedgewars for 14 years  38 weeks
[2023-10-20 00:32:45] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| re: nemo
[2023-10-20 00:32:46] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| re: nemo
[2023-10-20 00:32:47] <Lucifer_arma> It's a fair possibility.  He was playing hedgewars a lot right before he left here
[2023-10-20 00:32:47] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| It's a fair possibility.  He was playing hedgewars a lot right before he left here
[2023-10-20 00:32:52] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| :D
[2023-10-20 00:32:52] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| :D
[2023-10-20 00:32:55] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| bingo
[2023-10-20 00:32:55] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| bingo
[2023-10-20 00:33:14] * Lucifer_arma looks for a hedgewars irc channel
[2023-10-20 00:33:15] * armagetronbridge 10irc:Lucifer_arma| looks for a hedgewars irc channel
[2023-10-20 00:33:23] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| on libera #hedgewars
[2023-10-20 00:33:23] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| on libera #hedgewars
[2023-10-20 00:33:38] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| it used to be on freenode
[2023-10-20 00:33:38] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| it used to be on freenode
[2023-10-20 00:33:46] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| armagetron was always on oftc?
[2023-10-20 00:33:47] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| armagetron was always on oftc?
[2023-10-20 00:33:57] <Lucifer_arma> no, we used to be on freenode too
[2023-10-20 00:33:58] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| no, we used to be on freenode too
[2023-10-20 00:34:03] <Lucifer_arma> we moved when the jackass took over freenode
[2023-10-20 00:34:05] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| we moved when the jackass took over freenode
[2023-10-20 00:34:05] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| why the move to oftc?
[2023-10-20 00:34:06] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| why the move to oftc?
[2023-10-20 00:34:13] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| why oftc instead of libera?
[2023-10-20 00:34:14] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| why oftc instead of libera?
[2023-10-20 00:34:19] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| which a lot of people moved to
[2023-10-20 00:34:20] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| which a lot of people moved to
[2023-10-20 00:36:44] <Lucifer_arma> I don't know why oftc over libera.  oftc is debian.  I don't know about libera.  It's possible libera didn't exist yet.
[2023-10-20 00:36:44] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I don't know why oftc over libera.  oftc is debian.  I don't know about libera.  It's possible libera didn't exist yet.
[2023-10-20 00:36:58] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| libera existed as early as may 19 2021
[2023-10-20 00:36:59] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| libera existed as early as may 19 2021
[2023-10-20 00:37:04] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| oftc existed before
[2023-10-20 00:37:04] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| oftc existed before
[2023-10-20 00:37:17] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| a lot of channels registered on that day
[2023-10-20 00:37:18] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| a lot of channels registered on that day
[2023-10-20 00:37:29] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| debian moved to oftc? huh
[2023-10-20 00:37:30] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| debian moved to oftc? huh
[2023-10-20 00:37:31] <Lucifer_arma> I thought we made the move before I went to rehab, which was november 2018
[2023-10-20 00:37:31] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I thought we made the move before I went to rehab, which was november 2018
[2023-10-20 00:37:37] <Lucifer_arma> no, oftc is part of debian
[2023-10-20 00:37:37] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| no, oftc is part of debian
[2023-10-20 00:37:43] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| oh interesting
[2023-10-20 00:37:43] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| oh interesting
[2023-10-20 00:37:44] <Lucifer_arma> owned by debian, something like that
[2023-10-20 00:37:45] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| owned by debian, something like that
[2023-10-20 00:37:54] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| ye got it
[2023-10-20 00:37:54] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| ye got it
[2023-10-20 00:38:05] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| aw, the irc relay doesnt support replies
[2023-10-20 00:38:05] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| aw, the irc relay doesnt support replies
[2023-10-20 00:38:08] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| or edits
[2023-10-20 00:38:08] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| or edits
[2023-10-20 00:38:17] <Lucifer_arma> irc doesn't support those things
[2023-10-20 00:38:17] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| irc doesn't support those things
[2023-10-20 00:38:27] <Juest> people have made things to support that
[2023-10-20 00:38:27] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| people have made things to support that
[2023-10-20 00:38:43] <Juest> there's a way to translate the replies part
[2023-10-20 00:38:43] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| there's a way to translate the replies part
[2023-10-20 00:39:04] <Lucifer_arma> sure, but delinquent made this bot himself, I believe
[2023-10-20 00:39:04] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| sure, but delinquent made this bot himself, I believe
[2023-10-20 00:39:12] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| ah i see
[2023-10-20 00:39:13] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| ah i see
[2023-10-20 00:39:29] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| guess its not up to date with the discord features or he chose not to implement
[2023-10-20 00:39:30] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| guess its not up to date with the discord features or he chose not to implement
[2023-10-20 00:39:41] <Lucifer_arma> I think it was a quick and dirty thing :)
[2023-10-20 00:39:41] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I think it was a quick and dirty thing :)
[2023-10-20 00:40:23] <Lucifer_arma> there's a SWAG stock symbol.  I giggle a little bit everytime I see it
[2023-10-20 00:40:23] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| there's a SWAG stock symbol.  I giggle a little bit everytime I see it
[2023-10-20 00:40:45] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| heh
[2023-10-20 00:40:46] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| heh
[2023-10-20 00:41:25] <Lucifer_arma> when I get there with real money, I'm going to direct the stockanalyst to buy some DAVE, for hopefully obvious reasons
[2023-10-20 00:41:26] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| when I get there with real money, I'm going to direct the stockanalyst to buy some DAVE, for hopefully obvious reasons
[2023-10-20 00:41:39] <Lucifer_arma> (I've been thinking about opening an account with them, actually)
[2023-10-20 00:41:39] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| (I've been thinking about opening an account with them, actually)
[2023-10-20 00:41:54] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| interesting
[2023-10-20 00:41:54] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| interesting
[2023-10-20 00:42:25] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| good luck in your stock/finance endeavors
[2023-10-20 00:42:26] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| good luck in your stock/finance endeavors
[2023-10-20 00:59:12] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| whats the yellow submarine config referred to exactly?
[2023-10-20 00:59:12] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| whats the yellow submarine config referred to exactly?
[2023-10-20 00:59:21] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| referring*
[2023-10-20 00:59:21] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| referring*
[2023-10-20 02:07:10] <Lucifer_arma> old server called yellow submarine
[2023-10-20 02:07:11] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| old server called yellow submarine
[2023-10-20 02:07:12] <Lucifer_arma> it's where we all live
[2023-10-20 02:07:14] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| it's where we all live
[2023-10-20 02:20:28] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| ah, what kind of config did it have?
[2023-10-20 02:20:30] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| ah, what kind of config did it have?
[2023-10-20 02:20:35] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| im not familiar with it
[2023-10-20 02:20:35] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| im not familiar with it
[2023-10-20 02:48:15] <Lucifer_arma> idk.  I never played there
[2023-10-20 02:48:15] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| idk.  I never played there
[2023-10-20 02:48:26] <Lucifer_arma> I was Breakfast/Fortress
[2023-10-20 02:48:27] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I was Breakfast/Fortress
[2023-10-20 02:48:43] <Lucifer_arma> random question.  Did I slip into a parallel universe where margin and padding meanings flipped?
[2023-10-20 02:48:44] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| random question.  Did I slip into a parallel universe where margin and padding meanings flipped?
[2023-10-20 02:49:20] <Lucifer_arma> I remember padding being the area outside the element and margin being inside the element.  So padding: 4x; would put four pixels of padding on the outside of the border, but margin: 2em; would put a 2em margin between the border and the content
[2023-10-20 02:49:21] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I remember padding being the area outside the element and margin being inside the element.  So padding: 4x; would put four pixels of padding on the outside of the border, but margin: 2em; would put a 2em margin between the border and the content
[2023-10-20 02:49:29] <Lucifer_arma> it's definitely the other way around now
[2023-10-20 02:49:29] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| it's definitely the other way around now
[2023-10-20 02:49:45] <Lucifer_arma> did that change?  Or did I slip into a parallel universe that's weird as shit?
[2023-10-20 02:49:46] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| did that change?  Or did I slip into a parallel universe that's weird as shit?
[2023-10-20 03:15:55] <Lucifer_arma> last question, then I'm putting my computer away and finishing my evening
[2023-10-20 03:15:56] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| last question, then I'm putting my computer away and finishing my evening
[2023-10-20 03:16:13] <Lucifer_arma> if you have a tabwidget on a web page, do you think it should be server-side or client-side?
[2023-10-20 03:16:14] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| if you have a tabwidget on a web page, do you think it should be server-side or client-side?
[2023-10-20 03:16:54] <Lucifer_arma> so, server-side means each tab has it's own url.  The advantage is that when you click on a tab, you get something that's easily refreshed because it has its own url.
[2023-10-20 03:16:54] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| so, server-side means each tab has it's own url.  The advantage is that when you click on a tab, you get something that's easily refreshed because it has its own url.
[2023-10-20 03:17:03] <Lucifer_arma> The disadvantage is that there's a new load time for each tab.
[2023-10-20 03:17:04] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| The disadvantage is that there's a new load time for each tab.
[2023-10-20 03:17:40] <Lucifer_arma> client-side means javascript.  You *can* use cookies to determine which tab you're on and restore state when you refresh, but there's no url for each tab.
[2023-10-20 03:17:41] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| client-side means javascript.  You *can* use cookies to determine which tab you're on and restore state when you refresh, but there's no url for each tab.
[2023-10-20 03:19:01] <Lucifer_arma> the alternative solution for what I'm doing is to have a second navbar somewhere on the page.  I'm considering making a tree navigation widget where each branch opens based on what page you're on, and making it possible to expand the tree manually so you can click to any of the pages in the tree
[2023-10-20 03:19:01] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| the alternative solution for what I'm doing is to have a second navbar somewhere on the page.  I'm considering making a tree navigation widget where each branch opens based on what page you're on, and making it possible to expand the tree manually so you can click to any of the pages in the tree
[2023-10-20 03:19:14] <Lucifer_arma> obvious advantage: you can visit any other page within two clicks.
[2023-10-20 03:19:15] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| obvious advantage: you can visit any other page within two clicks.
[2023-10-20 03:19:33] <Lucifer_arma> obvious disadvantage: coding time.  I don't want to get distracted right now writing UI when I'm still working on the simulation.
[2023-10-20 03:19:34] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| obvious disadvantage: coding time.  I don't want to get distracted right now writing UI when I'm still working on the simulation.
[2023-10-20 03:19:52] <Lucifer_arma> So the tabwidget is the compromise.  It gives me a decent UI for a small amount of code that works right now.
[2023-10-20 03:19:53] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| So the tabwidget is the compromise.  It gives me a decent UI for a small amount of code that works right now.
[2023-10-20 03:19:59] <Lucifer_arma> So, server-side or client-side tabwidget?
[2023-10-20 03:20:00] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| So, server-side or client-side tabwidget?
[2023-10-20 03:21:18] <Lucifer_arma> as for sending links to each individual page, this is a UI that I expect the only user to ever be me, so no need to send links to pages via text/email/whatever
[2023-10-20 03:21:18] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| as for sending links to each individual page, this is a UI that I expect the only user to ever be me, so no need to send links to pages via text/email/whatever
[2023-10-20 03:21:52] <Lucifer_arma> (but with some coding, I could probably make unique urls for client-side tabs, I'm just not going to consider that part of the problem right now)
[2023-10-20 03:21:52] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| (but with some coding, I could probably make unique urls for client-side tabs, I'm just not going to consider that part of the problem right now)
[2023-10-20 03:55:10] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| interesting, wouldn't know
[2023-10-20 03:55:10] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| interesting, wouldn't know
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[2023-10-20 08:17:15] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Lucifer_arma: luke-jr also has quite a number of children iirc, as well as being quite religious. There are... a *lot* of prominent tags on his wikipedia profile. He actually wrote the first major gui miner, back in... I wanna say 2009 or 2010 or so?
[2023-10-20 08:17:15] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Lucifer_arma: luke-jr also has quite a number of children iirc, as well as being quite religious. There are... a *lot* of prominent tags on his wikipedia profile. He actually wrote the first major gui miner, back in... I wanna say 2009 or 2010 or so?
[2023-10-20 08:17:18] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| As for IRC, we do actually have a server on Libera too - the bridge bot is hooked in to it. Also the bot wasn't somethign I made, although theoretically it's not actually that hard to make. It's a mattermost offering, but entirely hosted and configured by me. It runs on the DC server that hosts all my community automation. There are hacky ways to configure "reply to" messages in  <clipped message>
[2023-10-20 08:17:19] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| As for IRC, we do actually have a server on Libera too - the bridge bot is hooked in to it. Also the bot wasn't somethign I made, although theoretically it's not actually that hard to make. It's a mattermost offering, but entirely hosted and configured by me. It runs on the DC server that hosts all my community automation. There are hacky ways to configure "reply to" messages in  <clipped message>
[2023-10-20 08:17:19] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| IRC, but it would eat up the character count or result in a ridiculous number of multi-messages so there really isn't much point to it. It's easier just to read the conversation flow
[2023-10-20 08:17:19] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| IRC, but it would eat up the character count or result in a ridiculous number of multi-messages so there really isn't much point to it. It's easier just to read the conversation flow
[2023-10-20 08:17:20] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| The padding/margin thing hasn't changed - but please don't use em. Use VW and VH - being viewport-width and viewport-height. It is a vast improvement over percentages or proportionate sizing. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Learn/CSS/Building_blocks/Sizing_items_in_CSS#viewport_units
[2023-10-20 08:17:21] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| The padding/margin thing hasn't changed - but please don't use em. Use VW and VH - being viewport-width and viewport-height. It is a vast improvement over percentages or proportionate sizing. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Learn/CSS/Building_blocks/Sizing_items_in_CSS#viewport_units
[2023-10-20 08:17:28] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| As for tabs, I'd separate the loading from the switching. Write the tabs in client-side JS, then use a server-side container inside them. I wouldn't destroy that container on tab-out either - just set an auto-refresh, or refresh when the tab is selected. You could even go one better, and hold your data in a client-side hidden data field, then refresh your sources in the backgroun <clipped message>
[2023-10-20 08:17:29] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| As for tabs, I'd separate the loading from the switching. Write the tabs in client-side JS, then use a server-side container inside them. I wouldn't destroy that container on tab-out either - just set an auto-refresh, or refresh when the tab is selected. You could even go one better, and hold your data in a client-side hidden data field, then refresh your sources in the backgroun <clipped message>
[2023-10-20 08:17:29] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| d. That lets you do all sorts of fancy presentation with that data, and you can have a separate data endpoint that you pull this info from. That's the approach I'm taking with Meridian, although I have an entire internal API that gets called - mostly because I fucking hate MVC and stuck with a form of webforms called DotVVM, which lets me keep the original page lifecycle... but t <clipped message>
[2023-10-20 08:17:29] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| d. That lets you do all sorts of fancy presentation with that data, and you can have a separate data endpoint that you pull this info from. That's the approach I'm taking with Meridian, although I have an entire internal API that gets called - mostly because I fucking hate MVC and stuck with a form of webforms called DotVVM, which lets me keep the original page lifecycle... but t <clipped message>
[2023-10-20 08:17:30] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| hat's another grumble for another time.
[2023-10-20 08:17:31] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| hat's another grumble for another time.
[2023-10-20 08:20:24] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| er, I conflated em with px. Ignore that part
[2023-10-20 08:20:24] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| er, I conflated em with px. Ignore that part
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[2023-10-20 12:16:48] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| its not too bad but yeah true.
[2023-10-20 12:16:49] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| ah so the project you're using doesnt really have support for those "extra" features...
[2023-10-20 12:16:49] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| its not too bad but yeah true.
[2023-10-20 12:16:49] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| ah so the project you're using doesnt really have support for those "extra" features...
[2023-10-20 12:16:50] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| you mean channel, but its not mentioned anywhere on the websites
[2023-10-20 12:16:50] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| you mean channel, but its not mentioned anywhere on the websites
[2023-10-20 12:59:53] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| does anyone here use arch?
[2023-10-20 12:59:53] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| does anyone here use arch?
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[2023-10-20 13:00:43] <Juest> hi from libera
[2023-10-20 13:00:44] <armagetron-bridge> 14irc:Juest| hi from libera
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[2023-10-20 22:43:54] <Lucifer_arma> @delinquent: well, that's a lot more work than I'm willing to put in right now.  I'm willing to use client-side js to do tab switching, or make each tab a different url (use the same template to render, just change how the nav link is highlighted).
[2023-10-20 22:43:55] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| @delinquent: well, that's a lot more work than I'm willing to put in right now.  I'm willing to use client-side js to do tab switching, or make each tab a different url (use the same template to render, just change how the nav link is highlighted).
[2023-10-20 22:44:27] <Lucifer_arma> Down the road, I will absolutely write a much better UI with fancy widgets and stuff, and expose a good restful api, and I might even write a C++ client that uses it and native widgets at some point
[2023-10-20 22:44:27] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Down the road, I will absolutely write a much better UI with fancy widgets and stuff, and expose a good restful api, and I might even write a C++ client that uses it and native widgets at some point
[2023-10-20 22:44:48] <Lucifer_arma> but right now, I just have to decide between two simple options based on what I'll do next, after I get real trading going and it's time to focus on more UI
[2023-10-20 22:44:49] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but right now, I just have to decide between two simple options based on what I'll do next, after I get real trading going and it's time to focus on more UI
[2023-10-20 22:45:03] <Lucifer_arma> right now, I write UI only as I need it, or if I'm blocked for some reason on something elsef
[2023-10-20 22:45:03] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| right now, I write UI only as I need it, or if I'm blocked for some reason on something elsef
[2023-10-20 22:47:39] <Lucifer_arma> I'll look into viewports in a bit.  Again, trying to keep it--not necessarily as simple as possible, but within the range of what I already know so I can avoid the UI sucking me in when I have higher priorities in the project
[2023-10-20 22:47:39] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'll look into viewports in a bit.  Again, trying to keep it--not necessarily as simple as possible, but within the range of what I already know so I can avoid the UI sucking me in when I have higher priorities in the project
[2023-10-20 22:48:01] <Lucifer_arma> at some point, hopefully soon, the UI will become the top priority and I'll go all in on making it the best possible thing I can make :)
[2023-10-20 22:48:01] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| at some point, hopefully soon, the UI will become the top priority and I'll go all in on making it the best possible thing I can make :)
[2023-10-20 22:49:03] <Lucifer_arma> @Juesto: afaik, sumobar and sumo aren't different.  They're the same settings on different servers
[2023-10-20 22:49:04] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| @Juesto: afaik, sumobar and sumo aren't different.  They're the same settings on different servers
[2023-10-20 22:49:46] <Lucifer_arma> @delinquent: were you here back when luke-jr was trying to recruit us all to work on bitcoin with him?
[2023-10-20 22:49:46] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| @delinquent: were you here back when luke-jr was trying to recruit us all to work on bitcoin with him?
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