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[2023-10-09 03:47:34] <Lucifer_arma> wtf was that crap?
[2023-10-09 03:47:35] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| wtf was that crap?
[2023-10-09 03:48:24] <Lucifer_arma> anyway, the plan is to find ways to mine this stock database for stocks I can trade at a profit.  The first approach is to try to work within normal fluctuations, and I'm working on that one
[2023-10-09 03:48:24] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| anyway, the plan is to find ways to mine this stock database for stocks I can trade at a profit.  The first approach is to try to work within normal fluctuations, and I'm working on that one
[2023-10-09 03:48:57] <Lucifer_arma> but I'm still building the infrastructure to support the trading, and it's not quite there yet.  All the pieces are there in much the same way that a bicycle has the drivetrain of a motorcycle.  :)
[2023-10-09 03:48:58] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but I'm still building the infrastructure to support the trading, and it's not quite there yet.  All the pieces are there in much the same way that a bicycle has the drivetrain of a motorcycle.  :)
[2023-10-09 03:50:16] <Lucifer_arma> current problem: Should I remove records from the database for days where there were no trades for a given symbol?  The question about it is, do these records have meaning that I need to keep?  If so, then I should flag them, instead, so I can leave them out of queries that are currently pulling them
[2023-10-09 03:50:16] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| current problem: Should I remove records from the database for days where there were no trades for a given symbol?  The question about it is, do these records have meaning that I need to keep?  If so, then I should flag them, instead, so I can leave them out of queries that are currently pulling them
[2023-10-09 03:51:05] <Lucifer_arma> if I remove the records, then the simulation is going to pull up some crap, and it may affect predictions in unpredictable ways.  OTOH, having them there may also bias predictions.  So, what do they mean?
[2023-10-09 03:51:05] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| if I remove the records, then the simulation is going to pull up some crap, and it may affect predictions in unpredictable ways.  OTOH, having them there may also bias predictions.  So, what do they mean?
[2023-10-09 03:51:42] <Lucifer_arma> They're always low volume trades, usually low dollar (but there are a few higher dollar), and I suspect that when they *do* get traded, it's something that happens on the market because of regulatory reasons, but are otherwise private trades
[2023-10-09 03:51:43] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| They're always low volume trades, usually low dollar (but there are a few higher dollar), and I suspect that when they *do* get traded, it's something that happens on the market because of regulatory reasons, but are otherwise private trades
[2023-10-09 03:52:04] <Lucifer_arma> *symbols.  Low volume symbols.
[2023-10-09 03:52:04] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| *symbols.  Low volume symbols.
[2023-10-09 03:53:36] <Lucifer_arma> I also just added the ability to retain state for jobs, so that now they have memory.  :)  Basically, you tell the base class about attributes that need to be persistent, so that those attributes can be saved to the database, and the next time the job is created, those attributes will be restored.
[2023-10-09 03:53:36] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I also just added the ability to retain state for jobs, so that now they have memory.  :)  Basically, you tell the base class about attributes that need to be persistent, so that those attributes can be saved to the database, and the next time the job is created, those attributes will be restored.
[2023-10-09 03:54:53] <Lucifer_arma> they're now a very basic implementation of those shared network objects we were talking about a few weeks ago
[2023-10-09 03:54:54] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| they're now a very basic implementation of those shared network objects we were talking about a few weeks ago
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[2023-10-09 05:24:59] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| I would create a non-value value, such as `notrade` or something else to indicate that the symbol is not *intended* to be traded on a given day. That would tie in with `restricted` or some other value to indicate that a symbol is being specifically pulled from trading or otherwise made unmarketable for reason - like a market suspension, if those still happen.
[2023-10-09 05:24:59] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| I would create a non-value value, such as `notrade` or something else to indicate that the symbol is not *intended* to be traded on a given day. That would tie in with `restricted` or some other value to indicate that a symbol is being specifically pulled from trading or otherwise made unmarketable for reason - like a market suspension, if those still happen.
[2023-10-09 05:26:03] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| the latter could have a decided impact on value, whereas the former might simply be a move to a new index or some other company-related business that has a less measurable share impact
[2023-10-09 05:26:04] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| the latter could have a decided impact on value, whereas the former might simply be a move to a new index or some other company-related business that has a less measurable share impact
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[2023-10-09 09:54:50] <armagetronbridge> 11discord:Deso| I removed a couple messages from discord in case anyone is wondering why Lucifer is yelling at air
[2023-10-09 09:54:50] <armagetron-bridge> 11discord:Deso| I removed a couple messages from discord in case anyone is wondering why Lucifer is yelling at air
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[2023-10-09 14:25:19] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:olive| low/no volume implies less interest and flat line
[2023-10-09 14:25:20] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:olive| low/no volume implies less interest and flat line
[2023-10-09 14:26:07] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:olive| it has predictive value
[2023-10-09 14:26:07] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:olive| it has predictive value
[2023-10-09 15:14:36] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| yes, but not as much as, say, a symbole being withdrawn forcefully by... would that be SEC?
[2023-10-09 15:14:36] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| yes, but not as much as, say, a symbole being withdrawn forcefully by... would that be SEC?
[2023-10-09 15:14:43] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| or halted pending investigation
[2023-10-09 15:14:43] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| or halted pending investigation
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[2023-10-09 23:09:58] <Lucifer_arma> or private holding companies who are required to transfer ownership publicly, but the trades are between private entities and not available for public trading
[2023-10-09 23:09:58] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| or private holding companies who are required to transfer ownership publicly, but the trades are between private entities and not available for public trading
[2023-10-09 23:10:20] <Lucifer_arma> I think the next step here is to actually get more data.  The brokerage provides a way for me to see if *they* can trade a symbol, I just haven't put that in the database yet.
[2023-10-09 23:10:20] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I think the next step here is to actually get more data.  The brokerage provides a way for me to see if *they* can trade a symbol, I just haven't put that in the database yet.
[2023-10-09 23:10:40] <Lucifer_arma> So I'll make a job to get that and then look at the data again and see if that helps figure this out
[2023-10-09 23:10:41] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| So I'll make a job to get that and then look at the data again and see if that helps figure this out
[2023-10-09 23:11:11] <Lucifer_arma> also, if anyone's interested, the new database server isn't even breaking a sweat, and I've already given it more load than my laptop was taking
[2023-10-09 23:11:11] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| also, if anyone's interested, the new database server isn't even breaking a sweat, and I've already given it more load than my laptop was taking
[2023-10-09 23:12:07] <Lucifer_arma> so the next actual step is to bring the third worker online, I think, so my cluster will be at it's full power for the hardware I actually own
[2023-10-09 23:12:07] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| so the next actual step is to bring the third worker online, I think, so my cluster will be at it's full power for the hardware I actually own
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