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[2023-08-28 00:34:04] <Lucifer_arma> anybody know a handy tool for analyzing network protocol logs?
[2023-08-28 00:34:05] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| anybody know a handy tool for analyzing network protocol logs?
[2023-08-28 00:35:10] <Lucifer_arma> I guess I could write a script that puts them together. I want to see how the communication actually happens, where I'll log every message sent with a timestamp and the message headers and maybe the first 20 bytes of the content (or something like that, something so I can see what's in the message)
[2023-08-28 00:35:11] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I guess I could write a script that puts them together. I want to see how the communication actually happens, where I'll log every message sent with a timestamp and the message headers and maybe the first 20 bytes of the content (or something like that, something so I can see what's in the message)
[2023-08-28 00:36:06] <Lucifer_arma> Then I want to see them all shown in order so it looks like a dialog. You know, client sends a ping, server send an ack. Or client sends a ping, doesn't get an ack, resends the ping, then gets the ack.
[2023-08-28 00:36:07] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Then I want to see them all shown in order so it looks like a dialog. You know, client sends a ping, server send an ack. Or client sends a ping, doesn't get an ack, resends the ping, then gets the ack.
[2023-08-28 00:37:23] <Lucifer_arma> Z-Man: did you do anything like this to see how arma's communication is working? You know, look for problems, see if the protocol is running correctly, etc?
[2023-08-28 00:37:24] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Z-Man: did you do anything like this to see how arma's communication is working? You know, look for problems, see if the protocol is running correctly, etc?
[2023-08-28 00:40:49] <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I'll just make them each write to a file, and then I'll write a script that loads both files line by line into the same list, then sort the list, and with timestamp being the first part of each line, it should put everything in order so that I can see how the two sides are communicating.
[2023-08-28 00:40:50] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| yeah, I'll just make them each write to a file, and then I'll write a script that loads both files line by line into the same list, then sort the list, and with timestamp being the first part of each line, it should put everything in order so that I can see how the two sides are communicating.
[2023-08-28 01:59:44] <Lucifer_arma> heh, I was not mentally prepared to find out that the first parts of the network that I wrote don't work at all: message encoding/decoding, which is why nothing else seems to be working right
[2023-08-28 01:59:44] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| heh, I was not mentally prepared to find out that the first parts of the network that I wrote don't work at all: message encoding/decoding, which is why nothing else seems to be working right
[2023-08-28 01:59:52] <Lucifer_arma> it's a wonder anything is working at all, all things considered
[2023-08-28 01:59:52] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| it's a wonder anything is working at all, all things considered
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[2023-08-28 08:17:34] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:ZDHades| With the food delivery service getting messed up for a day! Yup saw it too haha
[2023-08-28 08:17:34] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:ZDHades| With the food delivery service getting messed up for a day! Yup saw it too haha
[2023-08-28 08:19:13] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:ZDHades| For me the alternative is watching brain numbing content with absolutely no positive gain, so id rather watch some thought provoking content even if it may not be useful
[2023-08-28 08:19:15] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:ZDHades| For me the alternative is watching brain numbing content with absolutely no positive gain, so id rather watch some thought provoking content even if it may not be useful
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[2023-08-28 22:25:11] <Lucifer_arma> I'm with you on that, I just don't have any interest in the speed of light question :)
[2023-08-28 22:25:11] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'm with you on that, I just don't have any interest in the speed of light question :)
[2023-08-28 22:25:44] <Lucifer_arma> The two generals problem is also about basic sockets, and sits right at the heart of every network, so arma has that problem too
[2023-08-28 22:25:45] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| The two generals problem is also about basic sockets, and sits right at the heart of every network, so arma has that problem too
[2023-08-28 22:26:26] <Lucifer_arma> My solution to it for now is to hold every outgoing message until it's acked (except for acks themselves) and resend the message if it isn't acked within a certain amount of time.
[2023-08-28 22:26:26] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| My solution to it for now is to hold every outgoing message until it's acked (except for acks themselves) and resend the message if it isn't acked within a certain amount of time.
[2023-08-28 22:27:18] <Lucifer_arma> I'm not addressing the extreme corner case where a message doesn't get acked even though it's been received because that's such an extreme case and the app I'm working on isn't intended to run over the internet anyway
[2023-08-28 22:27:18] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'm not addressing the extreme corner case where a message doesn't get acked even though it's been received because that's such an extreme case and the app I'm working on isn't intended to run over the internet anyway
[2023-08-28 22:27:47] <Lucifer_arma> but when a message doesn't get acked, there are two possibilities: 1) it wasn't received at all, 2) it was received and the ack went missing
[2023-08-28 22:27:47] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but when a message doesn't get acked, there are two possibilities: 1) it wasn't received at all, 2) it was received and the ack went missing
[2023-08-28 22:28:44] <Lucifer_arma> resending the message triggers another ack being generated, so in either case, the sender just keeps sending the message until it gets acked. The receive keeps track of messages it has already received so that it doesn't process a re-send unnecessarily
[2023-08-28 22:28:45] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| resending the message triggers another ack being generated, so in either case, the sender just keeps sending the message until it gets acked. The receive keeps track of messages it has already received so that it doesn't process a re-send unnecessarily
[2023-08-28 23:17:21] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:staybased_| Hey
[2023-08-28 23:17:22] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:staybased_| Hey
[2023-08-28 23:38:39] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:staybased_| were there any cheaters in the games history?
[2023-08-28 23:38:40] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:staybased_| were there any cheaters in the games history?
[2023-08-28 23:47:15] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:DrDeathpwnsz| heyo! just joined, hope to see you all on one day 😄
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