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[2023-06-27 05:24:35] <rxsyn> yeah very cool
[2023-06-27 05:24:35] <armagetron-bridge> [irc] <rxsyn> yeah very cool
[2023-06-27 05:25:03] <armagetron-bridge> [discord] <Rx. Syn> no way to tell which irc channel convos are happening in but not sure it matters
[2023-06-27 05:25:04] <armagetronbridge> [discord] <Rx. Syn> no way to tell which irc channel convos are happening in but not sure it matters
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[2023-06-27 08:30:47] <armagetronbridge> [discord] <delinquent> I think there's some config I can do to change the prefixing stuff, and if I migrate down to an older version I can actually get hte username of the bot to change with the IRC username. That would be a problem for pickup though, I'd need to craft some sort of test for the display name belonging to the message itself and not the display name of the user, which is a whole can of worms in and of itself - plus there's the t
[2023-06-27 08:30:48] <armagetronbridge> [discord] <delinquent> Definitely not a perfect solution, but I wanted the option there for people who don't really want to make a permanent discord account, and for people who would prefer IRC in general.
[2023-06-27 08:30:48] <armagetron-bridge> [discord] <delinquent> I think there's some config I can do to change the prefixing stuff, and if I migrate down to an older version I can actually get hte username of the bot to change with the IRC username. That would be a problem for pickup though, I'd need to craft some sort of test for the display name belonging to the message itself and not the display name of the user, which is a whole can of worms in and of itself - plus there's the 
[2023-06-27 08:30:48] <armagetron-bridge> [discord] <delinquent> Definitely not a perfect solution, but I wanted the option there for people who don't really want to make a permanent discord account, and for people who would prefer IRC in general.
[2023-06-27 08:31:38] <monr0e> ugh I have to sort out this split messaging thing in IRC too. Cuts off messages which is *really* annoying
[2023-06-27 08:31:39] <armagetron-bridge> [irc] <monr0e> ugh I have to sort out this split messaging thing in IRC too. Cuts off messages which is *really* annoying
[2023-06-27 08:50:55] <armagetronbridge> [discord] <Rx. Syn> Are you using a bot or a webhook? I find that in discord using webhooks is easier for this kind of stateless procedure
[2023-06-27 08:50:55] <armagetron-bridge> [discord] <Rx. Syn> Are you using a bot or a webhook? I find that in discord using webhooks is easier for this kind of stateless procedure
[2023-06-27 08:51:11] <armagetron-bridge> [discord] <Rx. Syn> with webhooks its also easier to set the name of the webhook user (iirc)
[2023-06-27 08:51:11] <armagetronbridge> [discord] <Rx. Syn> with webhooks its also easier to set the name of the webhook user (iirc)
[2023-06-27 08:53:07] <armagetron-bridge> [discord] <delinquent> I think a webhook, but I can't be certain. I'm told that the lack of ability to change the username of the bot on the fly is something that appeared recently in some version, and the bot running the sysadmin channel in IRC is specifically not upgraded because of this
[2023-06-27 08:53:08] <armagetronbridge> [discord] <delinquent> I think a webhook, but I can't be certain. I'm told that the lack of ability to change the username of the bot on the fly is something that appeared recently in some version, and the bot running the sysadmin channel in IRC is specifically not upgraded because of this
[2023-06-27 08:54:10] <monr0e> that tells me that either the webhook integration is borked, or that on-the-fly name changes was actually a non-webhook feature that was removed
[2023-06-27 08:54:12] <armagetron-bridge> [irc] <monr0e> that tells me that either the webhook integration is borked, or that on-the-fly name changes was actually a non-webhook feature that was removed
[2023-06-27 10:21:58] <armagetronbridge> [discord] <Deso> Just a thought, I think both the main pickup bot and kb’s bot rely partially on the discord user data. We can probably spoof it, but just a consideration if we go down the pickup integration route.
[2023-06-27 10:21:59] <armagetron-bridge> [discord] <Deso> Just a thought, I think both the main pickup bot and kb’s bot rely partially on the discord user data. We can probably spoof it, but just a consideration if we go down the pickup integration route.
[2023-06-27 10:23:57] <armagetronbridge> [discord] <delinquent> I can't speak for the pickup bot, but KB's bot relies on the discord userid yes. Fixing that would rely on matching an IRC username with a discord ID, which is trivial to do really. All we'd need to do is ensure that #armagetron-pickup in both OFTC and Libera are set to register privilege only. That's about as much as we can do to prevent smurfing, which is honestly mor ethan we can do here.
[2023-06-27 10:23:58] <armagetron-bridge> [discord] <delinquent> I can't speak for the pickup bot, but KB's bot relies on the discord userid yes. Fixing that would rely on matching an IRC username with a discord ID, which is trivial to do really. All we'd need to do is ensure that #armagetron-pickup in both OFTC and Libera are set to register privilege only. That's about as much as we can do to prevent smurfing, which is honestly mor ethan we can do here.
[2023-06-27 10:24:52] <armagetronbridge> [discord] <delinquent> It would be fairly easy also to adjust KB's bot to use the mysql db that is already in place on the host, which means we could theoretically automate the matching of IRC handles to discord IDs
[2023-06-27 10:24:52] <armagetron-bridge> [discord] <delinquent> It would be fairly easy also to adjust KB's bot to use the mysql db that is already in place on the host, which means we could theoretically automate the matching of IRC handles to discord IDs
[2023-06-27 10:25:30] <armagetronbridge> [discord] <delinquent> I think I promised to help KB with that, or at the very least make a DB user available to him. I forget if I ever discussed it at length tbh
[2023-06-27 10:25:30] <armagetron-bridge> [discord] <delinquent> I think I promised to help KB with that, or at the very least make a DB user available to him. I forget if I ever discussed it at length tbh
[2023-06-27 10:28:53] <armagetronbridge> [discord] <delinquent> speaking of register privilege, @armanelgtron could you possibly check that on #armagetron? The bot is registered so it should be fine if you need to change it
[2023-06-27 10:28:54] <armagetron-bridge> [discord] <delinquent> speaking of register privilege, @armanelgtron could you possibly check that on #armagetron? The bot is registered so it should be fine if you need to change it
[2023-06-27 10:32:46] <armagetronbridge> [discord] <Nélg> I don't have any power. I think <@&714104568748703805> owns the channels but I could be wrong
[2023-06-27 10:32:46] <armagetron-bridge> [discord] <Nélg> I don't have any power. I think <@&714104568748703805> owns the channels but I could be wrong
[2023-06-27 10:33:18] <monr0e> Z-Man could you take a look pls?
[2023-06-27 10:33:18] <armagetron-bridge> [irc] <monr0e> Z-Man could you take a look pls?
[2023-06-27 10:34:40] <armagetronbridge> [discord] <Nélg> ahhh it's tank
[2023-06-27 10:34:40] <armagetronbridge> [discord] <Nélg> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1123260111377403914/image.png
[2023-06-27 10:34:40] <armagetron-bridge> [discord] <Nélg> ahhh it's tank
[2023-06-27 10:34:40] <armagetron-bridge> [discord] <Nélg> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1123260111377403914/image.png
[2023-06-27 10:34:46] <armagetronbridge> [discord] <Nélg> at least on OFTC
[2023-06-27 10:34:46] <armagetron-bridge> [discord] <Nélg> at least on OFTC
[2023-06-27 10:35:16] <armagetronbridge> [discord] <Nélg> and z-man on libera
[2023-06-27 10:35:16] <armagetron-bridge> [discord] <Nélg> and z-man on libera
[2023-06-27 10:35:16] <armagetronbridge> [discord] <Nélg> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1123260263785824317/image.png
[2023-06-27 10:35:17] <armagetron-bridge> [discord] <Nélg> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1123260263785824317/image.png
[2023-06-27 10:35:22] <armagetronbridge> [discord] <Nélg> thats by /msg chanserv info #armagetron
[2023-06-27 10:35:22] <armagetron-bridge> [discord] <Nélg> thats by /msg chanserv info #armagetron
[2023-06-27 10:35:37] <monr0e> oh TIL
[2023-06-27 10:35:38] <armagetron-bridge> [irc] <monr0e> oh TIL
[2023-06-27 14:21:12] <armagetronbridge> [discord] <doctorduck2000> There's a bot named Rinzler? That's cool
[2023-06-27 14:21:12] <armagetron-bridge> [discord] <doctorduck2000> There's a bot named Rinzler? That's cool
[2023-06-27 14:36:15] <armagetronbridge> [discord] <delinquent> @doctorduck2000 there are some resources for new players in #resources, but for the most part the best way to learn to play is to dive in at the deep end. You might have seen how we organised ourselves at the start of those rounds, that is a specific game mode called Fortress. There are also Sumo, Capture the Flag, High Rubber, Racing, and a few other modes that all have nuances. We use the #pickup channel a lot since w
[2023-06-27 14:36:15] <armagetron-bridge> [discord] <delinquent> @doctorduck2000 there are some resources for new players in #resources, but for the most part the best way to learn to play is to dive in at the deep end. You might have seen how we organised ourselves at the start of those rounds, that is a specific game mode called Fortress. There are also Sumo, Capture the Flag, High Rubber, Racing, and a few other modes that all have nuances. We use the #pickup channel a lot since 
[2023-06-27 14:37:00] <armagetronbridge> [discord] <delinquent> Also, if you prefer IRC, you can use Libera or OFTC to access #armagetron, although pickup isn't implemented just yet
[2023-06-27 14:37:00] <armagetron-bridge> [discord] <delinquent> Also, if you prefer IRC, you can use Libera or OFTC to access #armagetron, although pickup isn't implemented just yet
[2023-06-27 15:38:33] <armagetronbridge> [discord] <Deso> The whole point is so people don’t need a discord id
[2023-06-27 15:38:34] <armagetron-bridge> [discord] <Deso> The whole point is so people don’t need a discord id
[2023-06-27 15:38:50] <armagetron-bridge> [discord] <Deso> Don’t integrate it if that’s your response
[2023-06-27 15:38:50] <armagetronbridge> [discord] <Deso> Don’t integrate it if that’s your response
[2023-06-27 15:39:03] <armagetronbridge> [discord] <delinquent> Aye you could always migrate it. Up to KB though
[2023-06-27 15:39:03] <armagetron-bridge> [discord] <delinquent> Aye you could always migrate it. Up to KB though
[2023-06-27 15:39:11] <armagetronbridge> [discord] <Deso> I am speaking to the pickup bot, they both rely on discord user data
[2023-06-27 15:39:12] <armagetron-bridge> [discord] <Deso> I am speaking to the pickup bot, they both rely on discord user data
[2023-06-27 15:39:46] <armagetronbridge> [discord] <delinquent> hm. I'll have a think about it. The pickup bot just does a randomised sort into teams if I'm not mistaken, no?
[2023-06-27 15:39:46] <armagetron-bridge> [discord] <delinquent> hm. I'll have a think about it. The pickup bot just does a randomised sort into teams if I'm not mistaken, no?
[2023-06-27 15:40:48] <armagetronbridge> [discord] <Deso> It relies on the discord id because usernames are not unique on discord
[2023-06-27 15:40:48] <armagetron-bridge> [discord] <Deso> It relies on the discord id because usernames are not unique on discord
[2023-06-27 15:41:25] <armagetronbridge> [discord] <delinquent> Aye, what I'm gettin gat is that the variable doesn't have to be an ID right? It can be anything uniquely associated with that user
[2023-06-27 15:41:25] <armagetron-bridge> [discord] <delinquent> Aye, what I'm gettin gat is that the variable doesn't have to be an ID right? It can be anything uniquely associated with that user
[2023-06-27 15:42:14] <armagetron-bridge> [discord] <Deso> Ya that’s what I meant by “spoofing” user data, but definitely allows for some easy smurfing or impersonating through irc maybe
[2023-06-27 15:42:14] <armagetronbridge> [discord] <Deso> Ya that’s what I meant by “spoofing” user data, but definitely allows for some easy smurfing or impersonating through irc maybe
[2023-06-27 15:43:13] <armagetronbridge> [discord] <delinquent> that's what I was thinking about when I suggested setting the IRC channel to registered users only - at least, the armagetron-pickup channel. That would ensure that the username registered to that user is unique.
[2023-06-27 15:43:14] <armagetron-bridge> [discord] <delinquent> that's what I was thinking about when I suggested setting the IRC channel to registered users only - at least, the armagetron-pickup channel. That would ensure that the username registered to that user is unique.
[2023-06-27 15:43:36] <armagetron-bridge> [discord] <delinquent> and then, assuming they've turned up under a known identity, that IRC handle also becomes a known entity
[2023-06-27 15:43:36] <armagetronbridge> [discord] <delinquent> and then, assuming they've turned up under a known identity, that IRC handle also becomes a known entity
[2023-06-27 15:45:10] <armagetronbridge> [discord] <delinquent> under KB's bot, we could implement a db object that contains a field for both an IRC handle, a discord ID, and a secondary unique ID. The secondary unique ID can be matched to that user's ranking, meaning that the user has the option of being matched up against their IRC handle and/or their discord handle, and can omit one altogether
[2023-06-27 15:45:10] <armagetron-bridge> [discord] <delinquent> under KB's bot, we could implement a db object that contains a field for both an IRC handle, a discord ID, and a secondary unique ID. The secondary unique ID can be matched to that user's ranking, meaning that the user has the option of being matched up against their IRC handle and/or their discord handle, and can omit one altogether
[2023-06-27 15:45:22] <armagetronbridge> [discord] <delinquent> under KB's bot, we could implement a db object that contains a field for both an IRC handle, a discord ID, and a secondary unique ID. The secondary unique ID can be matched to that user's ranking, meaning that the user has the option of being matched up against their IRC handle and/or their discord handle, and can omit one entirely
[2023-06-27 15:45:22] <armagetron-bridge> [discord] <delinquent> under KB's bot, we could implement a db object that contains a field for both an IRC handle, a discord ID, and a secondary unique ID. The secondary unique ID can be matched to that user's ranking, meaning that the user has the option of being matched up against their IRC handle and/or their discord handle, and can omit one entirely
[2023-06-27 18:52:00] <armagetron-bridge> [discord] <Deso> Ya I like that! Just wanted to make sure you kept it in mind
[2023-06-27 18:52:01] <armagetronbridge> [discord] <Deso> Ya I like that! Just wanted to make sure you kept it in mind
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