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Log from 2016-02-21:
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Feb 21 02:44:29 2016 <Lucifer_arma_>	sinewav: your turn, heh
Feb 21 02:45:00 2016 <sinewav>	OK!
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Feb 21 19:17:54 2016 <aP|Kevin>	Why does my windows version of armagetron have a different textured plane than my linux version of armagetron?
Feb 21 19:18:01 2016 <aP|Kevin>	on windows it was green, on linux it is blue.
Feb 21 19:19:04 2016 <ct|kyle>	aP|Kevin: Windows does not know colors?
Feb 21 19:19:25 2016 <aP|Kevin>	ct|kyle: is it supposed to be blue?
Feb 21 19:19:44 2016 <ct|kyle>	aP|Kevin: I'm not even sure what you ar refering to
Feb 21 19:20:56 2016 <aP|Kevin>	the default grid when you are playing the game with no moviepack
Feb 21 19:21:22 2016 <aP|Kevin>	the floor
Feb 21 19:21:53 2016 <aP|Kevin>	you can change how it looks in display settings to "textured plane" "dual textured plane" or "just grid"
Feb 21 19:21:59 2016 <ct|kyle>	aP|Kevin: it's a configuration, so probbaoly just differnt from the versions you installed
Feb 21 19:23:27 2016 <aP|Kevin>	also weird... I struggled to get over 70fps or so on windows but on linux I get 300-500 easy.
Feb 21 19:24:15 2016 <ct|kyle>	aP|Kevin: depends on how optimized your GPU driver is for openGL
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Feb 21 19:35:36 2016 <aP|Kevin>	ct|kyle: where do you play at?
Feb 21 19:45:13 2016 <ct|kyle>	aP|Kevin: styball tourney on saturday, but i have not played in a month
Feb 21 19:45:57 2016 <dHod>	styball tourney? any open spots left?
Feb 21 19:46:09 2016 <ct|kyle>	http://wiki.armagetronad.org/index.php?title=CTStyball
Feb 21 19:46:11 2016 <dbdbot>	Title: CTStyball - Armagetron Advanced Wiki (at wiki.armagetronad.org)
Feb 21 19:46:58 2016 <dHod>	ah 4 teams rn
Feb 21 19:47:01 2016 <dHod>	its Deso btw
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Feb 21 20:21:28 2016 <AmarokNelg>	]about
Feb 21 20:21:30 2016 <ljrbot>	AmarokNelg: Error: "about" is not a valid command.
Feb 21 20:21:33 2016 <AmarokNelg>	@about
Feb 21 20:21:35 2016 -dbdbot/#armagetron-	AmarokNelg: Error: "about" is not a valid command.
Feb 21 20:21:39 2016 <AmarokNelg>	@whoownsthisbot
Feb 21 20:21:39 2016 -dbdbot/#armagetron-	AmarokNelg: Error: "whoownsthisbot" is not a valid command.
Feb 21 20:21:43 2016 <AmarokNelg>	@owner
Feb 21 20:21:44 2016 -dbdbot/#armagetron-	AmarokNelg: Error: "owner" is not a valid command.
Feb 21 20:21:55 2016 <AmarokNelg>	@list
Feb 21 20:21:56 2016 <dbdbot>	AmarokNelg: Admin, Alias, AutoMode, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Ctcp, Dunno, Filter, Format, Google, Herald, Internet, Later, Math, Misc, NickCapture, Owner, Quote, QuoteGrabs, RSS, Relay, Reply, Seen, Status, Success, Time, Topic, URL, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
Feb 21 20:22:09 2016 <AmarokNelg>	@commands
Feb 21 20:22:09 2016 <dbdbot>	AmarokNelg: \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:, action, add, alert, announce, announce add, announce list, announce remove, any, aol, apply, apropos, as, at, azn, ban add, ban list, ban remove, base, binary, blank, bold, c, cache, calc, can, capabilities, capability add, capability list, capability remove, capability set, capability setdefault, capability unset, (5 more messages)
Feb 21 20:22:18 2016 <AmarokNelg>	@more
Feb 21 20:22:18 2016 <dbdbot>	AmarokNelg: capitalize, change, changename, channel, channels, channelstats, cmd, color, colorize, commands, concat, config, convert, cpu, crypt, ctime, ctwf, cut, cycle, dbdbot, dbdclan, default, defaultcapability, defaultplugin, dehalfop, deop, devoice, disable, dns, doctype, echo, echoraph, edbomb, elapsed, enable, errno, error\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:, (4 more messages)
Feb 21 20:22:23 2016 <AmarokNelg>	@more
Feb 21 20:22:23 2016 <dbdbot>	AmarokNelg: export, fetch, ffa, field, fight, fit, flush, format, fortune, fu, fuckyou, fuwwbot, get, gnu, google, grab, halfop, headers, hebrew, help, hexip, hexlify, hi, hostmask, hostmask add, hostmask list, hostmask remove, icalc, identify, ignore, ignore add, ignore list, ignore remove, info, insert, invite, ircquote, jeffk, join, kban, key, kick, killsimitry, killsimitryunread, (3 more messages)
Feb 21 20:22:28 2016 <AmarokNelg>	@more
Feb 21 20:22:28 2016 <dbdbot>	AmarokNelg: killstshitstorm, ladle, ladlebrackets, ladlecb, last, lastseen, leet, limit, list, lithp, load, lobotomy add, lobotomy list, lobotomy remove, lock, log, lower, ls, lucky, m, mdfk, moar, mode, moderate, more, morse, net, netcraft, nick, notes, notice, nou, op, outfilter, pang, part, paste, pastebinception, pathetique, phonebook, pid, ping, pm, pong, private, punch, qg, quit, quote, (2 more messages)
Feb 21 20:22:31 2016 <AmarokNelg>	@more
Feb 21 20:22:31 2016 <dbdbot>	AmarokNelg: rainbow, random, rank, rdclan, rdclannews, redo, register, reload, remove, rename, reorder, replace, reply, repr, restore, reverse, rot13, rpn, rss, said, sbt, sc, scramble, search, seconds, seen, separator, server, serverinfo, serverlist, set, set password, set secure, shovel, shrink, shuffle, si, size, slap, soul_, source, spam, spell, spellit, squish, stats, status, stfu, stripcolor, (1 more message)
Feb 21 20:22:32 2016 <AmarokNelg>	@more
Feb 21 20:22:32 2016 <dbdbot>	AmarokNelg: success, supa1337, swap, tell, thanks, threads, time, title, titslap, topic, translate, trontimes, tronwiki, ty, unban, underline, undo, undup, unhexlify, unidentify, units, uniud, unload, unlock, unmoderate, unmorse, unregister, unrename, until, upkeep, upper, uptime, urlquote, urlunquote, urnab, user, username, version, voice, whereintheworldis, whoami, whois, wst, wtf, xkcd, and ye
Feb 21 20:23:11 2016 <AmarokNelg>	@uptime
Feb 21 20:23:12 2016 <dbdbot>	AmarokNelg: I have been running for 3 weeks, 4 days, 20 hours, 28 minutes, and 6 seconds.
Feb 21 20:23:17 2016 <AmarokNelg>	whew
Feb 21 20:23:49 2016 <aP|Kevin>	AmarokNelg: did you get my message?
Feb 21 20:23:52 2016 <AmarokNelg>	@calc
Feb 21 20:23:52 2016 -dbdbot/#armagetron-	AmarokNelg: Error: The command "calc" is available in the Google and Math plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "calc".
Feb 21 20:24:04 2016 <AmarokNelg>	no aP|Kevin, what message?
Feb 21 20:24:33 2016 <aP|Kevin>	HR-bot3.php was using tons of CPU
Feb 21 20:24:42 2016 <aP|Kevin>	so I killed it
Feb 21 20:26:09 2016 <AmarokNelg>	hr bot 3 shouldnt even be in operation still
Feb 21 20:26:31 2016 <aP|Kevin>	well it was
Feb 21 20:27:22 2016 <AmarokNelg>	I presume you killed hr-bot-loop3 too?
Feb 21 20:27:40 2016 <aP|Kevin>	i killed just the bot3 and when it came back I killed every process on your username
Feb 21 20:28:01 2016 <AmarokNelg>	ah ok - thanks
Feb 21 20:29:11 2016 <aP|Kevin>	maybe you have a loop without a sleep in it that occasionally runs until triggered
Feb 21 20:53:04 2016 <AmarokNelg>	@spell text
Feb 21 20:53:06 2016 <dbdbot>	AmarokNelg: "text" may be spelled correctly.
Feb 21 20:53:08 2016 <AmarokNelg>	@spell
Feb 21 20:53:09 2016 <dbdbot>	AmarokNelg: (spell <word>) -- Returns the result of passing <word> to aspell/ispell. The results shown are sorted from best to worst in terms of being a likely match for the spelling of <word>.
Feb 21 20:53:28 2016 <AmarokNelg>	@spell kavin
Feb 21 20:53:29 2016 <dbdbot>	AmarokNelg: Possible spellings for "kavin": Gavin, Kevin, Kalvin, Garvin, Kain, Kevina, Kevon, caving, Davin, Karin, Kevan, Gavan, Gaven, Keven, Kevyn, Jain, Kaine, carving, Arvin, avian, Kan, Kin, kin, Calvin, Galvin, Kelvin, kelvin, Cain, fain, gain, Fagin, Gavin's, and Kevin's.
Feb 21 20:53:41 2016 <AmarokNelg>	@spell kevin
Feb 21 20:53:42 2016 <dbdbot>	AmarokNelg: Possible spellings for "kevin": Kevin, Kevina, Kevon, Kevan, Keven, Kevyn, Kelvin, kelvin, Levin, Evin, Bevin, Devin, Nevin, Gavin, and Kevin's.
Feb 21 20:53:46 2016 <AmarokNelg>	@spell Kevin
Feb 21 20:53:47 2016 <dbdbot>	AmarokNelg: "Kevin" may be spelled correctly.
Feb 21 20:53:49 2016 <AmarokNelg>	@spell Nelg
Feb 21 20:53:50 2016 <dbdbot>	AmarokNelg: Possible spellings for "Nelg": Ne lg, Ne-lg, Belg, Neg, Nell, and Nels.
Feb 21 20:53:54 2016 <AmarokNelg>	@spell nelg
Feb 21 20:53:54 2016 <dbdbot>	AmarokNelg: Possible spellings for "nelg": Belg, neg, Nell, and Nels.
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Feb 21 20:54:51 2016 <AmarokNelg>	!dict nelg
Feb 21 20:54:54 2016 <nelg-bot>	AmarokNelg: No definitions found for "nelg"
Feb 21 20:54:58 2016 <AmarokNelg>	:\ sniff
Feb 21 20:55:02 2016 <AmarokNelg>	nelg is apparently not a word
Feb 21 20:55:10 2016 <aP|Kevin>	AmarokNelg: I restarted tron and came back you were gone.
Feb 21 20:55:17 2016 <aP|Kevin>	!dict glen
Feb 21 20:55:18 2016 <nelg-bot>	aP|Kevin: 4 definitions found
Feb 21 20:55:18 2016 <nelg-bot>	aP|Kevin: From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 [gcide]:
Feb 21 20:55:18 2016 <nelg-bot>	aP|Kevin:   Glen \Glen\, n. [Of Celtic origin; cf. W. glyn a deep valley,
Feb 21 20:55:18 2016 <nelg-bot>	aP|Kevin:      Ir. & Gael. gleann valley, glen.]
Feb 21 20:55:18 2016 <nelg-bot>	aP|Kevin:      A secluded and narrow valley; a dale; a depression between
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Feb 21 20:55:23 2016 <AmarokNelg>	sad
Feb 21 20:56:04 2016 <aP|Kevin>	There is a place close to me called Glen Carbon
Feb 21 20:56:32 2016 <aP|Kevin>	also I have a weird white rectangle that appears while I play armagetron
Feb 21 20:56:39 2016 <AmarokNelg>	screenshot?
Feb 21 20:58:08 2016 <aP|Kevin>	i dont know how to right now
Feb 21 20:59:32 2016 <AmarokNelg>	there is a button named "prnt screen" on your keyboard
Feb 21 20:59:57 2016 <AmarokNelg>	it will save your screenshot (presuming you're in full screen) into the userdatadir in a folder named screenshots
Feb 21 21:00:11 2016 <ct|kyle>	AmarokNelg: mine is named "Print Screen SysRq"
Feb 21 21:00:40 2016 <AmarokNelg>	it depends on the kayboard but its usually about the same
Feb 21 21:00:42 2016 <AmarokNelg>	keyboard*
Feb 21 21:02:05 2016 <aP|Kevin>	i sent it to you
Feb 21 21:02:52 2016 <aP|Kevin>	the printsc button wasnt working for me.  it wasnt putting anything in clipboard and it wasnt saving a screenshot.  I had to set it in global keyboard config
Feb 21 21:03:58 2016 <aP|Kevin>	http://imgur.com/a/ShRX0
Feb 21 21:03:59 2016 <dbdbot>	Title: Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet (at imgur.com)
Feb 21 21:05:15 2016 <aP|Kevin>	it appears even when playing
Feb 21 21:05:15 2016 <AmarokNelg>	huh i've never seen anything like that
Feb 21 21:08:36 2016 <aP|Kevin>	it stops for a second after each round
Feb 21 21:08:41 2016 <aP|Kevin>	then starts back up again
Feb 21 21:09:21 2016 <aP|Kevin>	and on the "waiting for real players screen" it does not appear
Feb 21 21:12:59 2016 <AmarokNelg>	Lucifer_arma any ideas?
Feb 21 21:15:29 2016 <ct|kyle>	version / os
Feb 21 21:15:51 2016 <AmarokNelg>	is armagetron the only game this happens in, kevin?
Feb 21 21:16:03 2016 <ct|kyle>	(as i saidthat i remembered version was in ss
Feb 21 21:16:30 2016 <AmarokNelg>	ss?
Feb 21 21:16:37 2016 <ct|kyle>	screen scot
Feb 21 21:16:41 2016 <ct|kyle>	shot*
Feb 21 21:16:50 2016 <AmarokNelg>	man you're full of typos today
Feb 21 21:17:09 2016 <AmarokNelg>	trying to stay up as long as P4?
Feb 21 21:17:22 2016 <ct|kyle>	happends when i type too much
Feb 21 21:17:36 2016 <aP|Kevin>	armagetron 0.4 z2299, Linux Kernel 4.4.2
Feb 21 21:17:53 2016 <aP|Kevin>	its the only app that it happens in
Feb 21 21:18:39 2016 <AmarokNelg>	any other applications using opengl?
Feb 21 21:18:41 2016 <ct|kyle>	aP|Kevin: and always same position?
Feb 21 21:19:17 2016 <aP|Kevin>	ct|kyle: when I first start armagetron it is huge and in the middle of the screen but only for a few seconds.  otherwise it is in the corner like that screenshot shows
Feb 21 21:19:40 2016 <AmarokNelg>	what was the exact GPU again?
Feb 21 21:20:06 2016 <AmarokNelg>	a nvidia something, right?
Feb 21 21:20:17 2016 <aP|Kevin>	Nvidia Geforce 940M using the 361.28 driver
Feb 21 21:20:34 2016 <AmarokNelg>	M as in Mobility?
Feb 21 21:20:40 2016 <aP|Kevin>	yes
Feb 21 21:20:55 2016 <aP|Kevin>	so I have nvidia and intel graphics
Feb 21 21:21:07 2016 <aP|Kevin>	switching between them is a pain so I force it to always use nvidia
Feb 21 21:21:37 2016 <AmarokNelg>	its funny my dell laptop has a mobile thing but theres no way to switch to any other card option
Feb 21 21:22:07 2016 <AmarokNelg>	(its the amd/ati thing I was talking about yesterday, remember?)
Feb 21 21:22:13 2016 <aP|Kevin>	how new is that laptop?  what cpu/gpu?
Feb 21 21:22:56 2016 <AmarokNelg>	I dunno the age of the laptop hmm
Feb 21 21:23:00 2016 <aP|Kevin>	the switchable graphics is only on Core i3/i5/i7 computers as far as I know
Feb 21 21:23:07 2016 <ct|kyle>	did you compile it or is it from a binary
Feb 21 21:23:13 2016 <aP|Kevin>	ct|kyle: compiled
Feb 21 21:23:38 2016 <AmarokNelg>	maybe you can compile without using SDL2?
Feb 21 21:23:48 2016 <aP|Kevin>	95% of what is running on my computer is compiled.
Feb 21 21:24:13 2016 <aP|Kevin>	but SDL2 gave me better FPS..
Feb 21 21:24:29 2016 <ct|kyle>	aP|Kevin: LFS?
Feb 21 21:24:53 2016 <AmarokNelg>	no I think he's using gentoo
Feb 21 21:25:12 2016 <aP|Kevin>	ct|kyle: gentoo
Feb 21 21:26:46 2016 <ct|kyle>	aP|Kevin: what desktop?
Feb 21 21:27:07 2016 <aP|Kevin>	xfce4 right now.  havent installed systemd so I cant use gnome yet :(
Feb 21 21:27:45 2016 <AmarokNelg>	I dislike gnome... especially gnome 3
Feb 21 21:27:47 2016 <AmarokNelg>	lol
Feb 21 21:27:54 2016 <ct|kyle>	KDE :)
Feb 21 21:27:58 2016 <AmarokNelg>	^
Feb 21 21:28:18 2016 <ct|kyle>	(althought from tron it is so much more FPS starting it isn it's own xscreen session
Feb 21 21:28:22 2016 <aP|Kevin>	I have KDE Plasma but the gentoo plasma-meta package didnt bring in anything more than the KDE basics
Feb 21 21:28:29 2016 <ct|kyle>	although for*
Feb 21 21:28:47 2016 <ct|kyle>	(damn i cannot type tonight)
Feb 21 21:29:38 2016 <aP|Kevin>	I am using X and not wayland.
Feb 21 21:29:46 2016 <aP|Kevin>	wayland doesnt work with nvidia
Feb 21 21:30:23 2016 <AmarokNelg>	+aP|Kevin the laptop is from around 2003
Feb 21 21:30:48 2016 <aP|Kevin>	AmarokNelg: that is ancient. laptops didnt have switchable graphics back then
Feb 21 21:31:01 2016 <ct|kyle>	aP|Kevin: you could try downgrading or upgrading the nvidia driver, I know they have been hit or miss in the past for me, but i really think something else may be broken
Feb 21 21:31:01 2016 <aP|Kevin>	ct|kyle: could --enable-particles do this?
Feb 21 21:31:58 2016 <ct|kyle>	I was thinking maybe it is something with FTGL
Feb 21 21:32:04 2016 <AmarokNelg>	@aP|Kevin the specs aren't too bad, its a lot faster than my 1999 toshiba was
Feb 21 21:32:05 2016 -dbdbot/#armagetron-	AmarokNelg: Error: "aP|Kevin" is not a valid command.
Feb 21 21:32:18 2016 <AmarokNelg>	LOL nice dbdbot 
Feb 21 21:32:44 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	considering where it's at, I'm wondering if it's FTGL
Feb 21 21:32:58 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	aP|Kevin: you're building from source, right?  Now running a snapshot?
Feb 21 21:32:58 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	*Not
Feb 21 21:32:58 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	--enable-particles *could* do that
Feb 21 21:33:22 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	it's worth trying to rebuild it without that library, especially since none of it has been implemented anyway
Feb 21 21:33:31 2016 <aP|Kevin>	without ftgl?
Feb 21 21:33:33 2016 *	Lucifer_arma thinks the default option for that is 'no'
Feb 21 21:33:44 2016 <aP|Kevin>	Lucifer_arma: lol I enabled everything
Feb 21 21:33:54 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	no, without particles
Feb 21 21:34:09 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	ftgl is required
Feb 21 21:34:53 2016 <aP|Kevin>	ok so is there any reason I would want to enable more stuff than defaults?  any reason I shouldnt?
Feb 21 21:35:38 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	does the rectangle appear during the splash screen, or just the UI?
Feb 21 21:36:01 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	anything that's not default is experimental, so you should stick with the defaults
Feb 21 21:36:01 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	do a make distclean and then start over
Feb 21 21:37:39 2016 <aP|Kevin>	yes, splash screen
Feb 21 21:38:21 2016 <aP|Kevin>	armagetron 0.2.8 is so old though.  if I am going with 0.4 I thought I might as well get the most experimental of everything
Feb 21 21:38:33 2016 <AmarokNelg>	....lol?
Feb 21 21:38:35 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	heh, ftgl is what gives us this beautiful font, and theoretically the option to really translate into lots of languages
Feb 21 21:38:56 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	what's still experimental in 0.4 is probably stuff that will not make it to the release anyway
Feb 21 21:40:17 2016 <aP|Kevin>	does any server use krawall?
Feb 21 21:40:37 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	no.  I thought krawall was removed
Feb 21 21:40:48 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	that was something z-man did many many years ago on contract
Feb 21 21:41:03 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I don't think even he knows if it works at all anymore
Feb 21 21:41:17 2016 <AmarokNelg>	what is krawall?
Feb 21 21:41:29 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	but in any case, it would only be triggered if you logged into one of krawall's servers, and I don't think they even exist as a company anymore
Feb 21 21:41:43 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	AmarokNelg: I believe they were a German game services provider
Feb 21 21:42:18 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	but I thought armathentication started with the krawall code, so it's possible it's removed everywhere except configure
Feb 21 21:42:52 2016 <aP|Kevin>	./configure CFLAGS="-march=native -pipe" CXXFLAGS="-march=native -pipe"
Feb 21 21:42:57 2016 <aP|Kevin>	so just do that and nothing else?
Feb 21 21:43:04 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I guess I could go grep it
Feb 21 21:43:07 2016 <ct|kyle>	should work
Feb 21 21:43:43 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	dave@Herman:~/Projects/armagetronad/0.4/src$ grep -Ir "krawall" *
Feb 21 21:43:43 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	network/nKrawall.cpp:    // TODO: Check for krawall adress
Feb 21 21:44:00 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	the I option to grep makes it case insensitive, right?
Feb 21 21:44:24 2016 <ct|kyle>	remember to use "make -j99999999999" when you compile  (fried a new CPU installing getoo with that)
Feb 21 21:44:39 2016 <aP|Kevin>	ct|kyle: I use make -j4...
Feb 21 21:44:42 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	oh no, there's a bunch of krawall ifdef's still.
Feb 21 21:45:21 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	also, you need set LUCIFER_ALWAYS_WINS
Feb 21 21:45:21 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	that one's important
Feb 21 21:45:22 2016 <aP|Kevin>	do get something done under contract, how much does that cost approximately?
Feb 21 21:45:58 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	depends on the something?
Feb 21 21:46:29 2016 <ct|kyle>	I prefer the CT_EXTRA_RUBBER patch i apply to all CT servers :)
Feb 21 21:46:54 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	that was the only time anybody made any money directly off this game.  I got a job indirectly because I had written a plugin to MamboCMS to show player stats on a server
Feb 21 21:46:54 2016 <aP|Kevin>	the motion blur feature doesnt work on my GPU
Feb 21 21:47:04 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	it may not work at all, heh
Feb 21 21:47:28 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	iirc, all it does is render 2-3 frames at a time to give an illusion of blur
Feb 21 21:47:36 2016 <aP|Kevin>	my GPU isnt connected to my display directly - no app that uses vsync actually works right
Feb 21 21:48:40 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	what's it connected to?
Feb 21 21:48:40 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	switch?
Feb 21 21:49:00 2016 <aP|Kevin>	Lucifer_arma: it is a Nvidia optimus card
Feb 21 21:49:31 2016 <aP|Kevin>	I use xrandr commands to make my card output to my screen
Feb 21 21:49:46 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	<--- not a hardware guy
Feb 21 21:50:28 2016 <aP|Kevin>	I would like to be able to throttle to a specific FPS and not go too much over.
Feb 21 21:51:01 2016 <aP|Kevin>	long tron sessions burn by legs
Feb 21 21:51:12 2016 <ct|kyle>	lol
Feb 21 21:51:58 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I thought we had a way to limit fps
Feb 21 21:52:11 2016 <aP|Kevin>	just wait for vsync or dont wait
Feb 21 21:52:32 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I know we have a way to limit the simulation framerate, I seem to remember asking for that one, heh
Feb 21 21:53:03 2016 <aP|Kevin>	since my 3D GPU is different than my display GPU, opengl apps dont see a refresh rate
Feb 21 21:53:48 2016 <AmarokNelg>	theres features that were in the older arma that are no longer in the new arma... I've wondered about that
Feb 21 21:54:22 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	like what?
Feb 21 21:55:33 2016 *	Lucifer_arma doesn't remember any features that got removed.
Feb 21 21:56:58 2016 <AmarokNelg>	like Persp. Correction, Line Antialiasing, Polygon Antial.
Feb 21 21:57:17 2016 <AmarokNelg>	ZTrick
Feb 21 21:58:05 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	ztrick was removed, iirc, because the double-buffering was added
Feb 21 21:58:19 2016 <AmarokNelg>	what about the other things, then?
Feb 21 21:58:41 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	those others, I don't see them as "features" so much as they were ways to make your 3d card work faster by disabling shit.  So they're either always enabled now,
Feb 21 21:58:41 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	or most modern GPUs made them irrelevant.
Feb 21 21:59:18 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	you gotta remember the codebase goes back like 15 years and consider the types of cards that needed to be supported along the way.
Feb 21 21:59:47 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	the "features" might still be there, just removed from the UI.
Feb 21 22:00:14 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	you'll have to ask z-man about then if/when he shows up again and is talkative
Feb 21 22:00:44 2016 <AmarokNelg>	theres no antialiasing in the commands list on 0.4 as far as I can see
Feb 21 22:03:16 2016 <aP|Kevin>	I saw someone online made a opengles port of armagetron that works on raspberripi
Feb 21 22:04:10 2016 <AmarokNelg>	wasn't there already an official port to raspberry pi?
Feb 21 22:05:37 2016 <aP|Kevin>	armapitron is only 0.2.8.3.2
Feb 21 22:05:38 2016 <AmarokNelg>	http://three.guru/armapitron/
Feb 21 22:05:39 2016 <dbdbot>	Title: Armapitron - Armagetron Advanced for the Raspberry Pi (at three.guru)
Feb 21 22:05:51 2016 <AmarokNelg>	ah
Feb 21 22:12:19 2016 <aP|Kevin>	what about a Android port, including online play of course.
Feb 21 22:13:35 2016 <AmarokNelg>	I believe there was an iOS port or something, but no android :\
Feb 21 22:14:01 2016 <dHod>	lets make one! ha ha ha
Feb 21 22:14:58 2016 <AmarokNelg>	someone could be like a developer of neverball and remake one for java
Feb 21 22:15:40 2016 <aP|Kevin>	I would be willing to put $100 towards that goal.
Feb 21 22:17:16 2016 <dHod>	i would definitely help work on one
Feb 21 22:17:50 2016 <AmarokNelg>	durf is apparently working on a web armagetron but I dont think its even going to use the same master server (I think that would be a bit of a mistake)
Feb 21 22:17:52 2016 <aP|Kevin>	android port of armagetron 0.4.  left half of screen touch sensitive to turning left. right half of screen touch sensitive to turning right.  two finger tap for double bind play
Feb 21 22:18:11 2016 <AmarokNelg>	keyboard compatibility (if your device has an external keyboard0 please...
Feb 21 22:18:36 2016 <aP|Kevin>	AmarokNelg: i think they would have to remove that for it to not work
Feb 21 22:18:45 2016 <dHod>	forums are still down?
Feb 21 22:18:54 2016 <AmarokNelg>	I dont think so
Feb 21 22:19:15 2016 <AmarokNelg>	make sure you're typing forums3.armagetronad.net
Feb 21 22:19:19 2016 <AmarokNelg>	not just forums.armagetronad.net
Feb 21 22:19:54 2016 <dHod>	well in any case the link to forums at armagetronad.net should be updated
Feb 21 22:22:11 2016 <AmarokNelg>	well just for now, be sure to use forums3 instead of just forums
Feb 21 22:22:23 2016 <AmarokNelg>	unless you're on certain connections :P
Feb 21 22:23:01 2016 <dHod>	ominous
Feb 21 22:29:00 2016 <aP|Kevin>	AmarokNelg: did you find out why hr-bot3 was using so much cpu?
Feb 21 22:29:29 2016 <AmarokNelg>	I never checked and hr-bot3 isnt going to be used - hopefully it doesnt happen with any of the other bots
Feb 21 22:30:38 2016 <dHod>	wait what is this: <http://forums3.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=23073>
Feb 21 22:30:40 2016 <dbdbot>	Title: Armagetron Forums :: View topic - Good News: Android Port (at forums3.armagetronad.net)
Feb 21 22:31:00 2016 <AmarokNelg>	an april fools
Feb 21 22:31:19 2016 <dHod>	oh
Feb 21 22:31:21 2016 <dHod>	ya
Feb 21 22:31:22 2016 <dHod>	nvm
Feb 21 22:31:23 2016 <AmarokNelg>	basically, its a crappy clone of armagetron without internet play or anything
Feb 21 22:32:03 2016 <dHod>	still a sweet in depth joke haha
Feb 21 22:33:24 2016 <dHod>	well any actual interest in one?
Feb 21 22:34:11 2016 <aP|Kevin>	dHod: I have $100 worth of interest
Feb 21 22:35:30 2016 <dHod>	i'd get behind it but i'm still a student, not sure how much i can spearhead an effort like that
Feb 21 22:35:36 2016 <dHod>	i'll be back in a little bit
Feb 21 22:36:07 2016 <aP|Kevin>	$100 isnt much to someone who isnt a student
Feb 21 22:36:57 2016 <dHod>	heh ya i know
Feb 21 22:37:19 2016 <AmarokNelg>	I may be able to help... I know a little bit of python, some php, a tiny bit of C++ (probably not enough.)
Feb 21 22:37:30 2016 <dHod>	not necessarily much to me either :)
Feb 21 22:37:42 2016 <dHod>	im best in java and python
Feb 21 22:38:34 2016 <AmarokNelg>	php is probably my best xD
Feb 21 22:39:08 2016 <AmarokNelg>	I know enough html/css/js to make a functional website like http://armanelgtron.tk
Feb 21 22:39:13 2016 <dbdbot>	Title: ArmaNelgTron.tk (at armanelgtron.tk)
Feb 21 22:40:49 2016 <dHod>	hmm nice :) i like it
Feb 21 22:40:58 2016 <dHod>	ok actually bbiab this time
Feb 21 22:42:12 2016 <AmarokNelg>	bbiab?
Feb 21 22:42:18 2016 <AmarokNelg>	oh
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Feb 21 22:42:41 2016 <AmarokNelg>	guess its be back in a bit or something
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Feb 21 23:36:17 2016 <dHod>	AmarokNelg yup!
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