Log from 2007-05-20:
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00:16 <_Sticky_> #tea
00:16 <armabot> _Sticky_: Fortress Café: Players (15/32): Android, BamBoy, eghb35u8 t38952, Goodygumdrops, GTron, ikono, kellogg, madmax, MaZuffeR, Monkey, Szukam Mamy, Tîger, WebGamer, ~*SP*~PsYkO, °°@shitakA
00:16 <_Sticky_> wow
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00:49 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: you guys pass?
01:16 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I'll tell you about it later, gotta make wontons right now
01:16 <GodTodd> cool :)
01:35 <madmax|pt> good games today
01:35 <madmax|pt> on fortress
01:40 <akira_> some
01:42 <_Sticky_> yeah
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02:17 <mkzelda> are there any performance benefits to having thread support for 'boost'?
02:17 <mkzelda> i mean, for arma
02:27 <z-man> mkzelda: rather a penalty, thread support always eats a bit of CPU time when the application is single threaded
02:27 <mkzelda> thanks
02:27 <z-man> but not much of it, so if you plan on using the boos library for other stuff, go ahead and enable it.
02:28 <mkzelda> no, i only need it for arma, and would like to not have to do that too
02:28 <mkzelda> heh
02:28 <mkzelda> i think it took 4 hrs on my sparc
02:28 <mkzelda> and 45 mins w/ distcc
02:29 <_Sticky_> in these days of multiple cores will the threads distorbute themselfs across the cores...and give a speed boost?
02:30 <mkzelda> only takes 8 mins on this puter but it'd still be nicer if only the needed code was pulled out and handled in arma
02:37 <Your_mom_arma> who's the admin of fortress café?
02:40 <Your_mom_arma> really? anyone else that you know of luke-jr?
02:44 <_Sticky_> why>
02:44 <_Sticky_> ?
02:45 <_Sticky_> #tea
02:45 <armabot> _Sticky_: Fortress Café: Players (3/32): always last, hoop, ~*cOw*~
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03:14 <Your_mom_arma> perhaps later
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03:36 <Vanhayes> anyone up for some civ tonight?
03:37 <Your_mom_arma> luke-jr, and myself so far van
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03:40 <Vanhayes> its only 10:30 here, and im the latest iirc
03:41 <Vanhayes> but im up for it
03:42 <Vanhayes> what about Lucifer_arma?
03:42 <Vanhayes> and does anyone know what happened to spidey?
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03:48 <Vanhayes> ah, ok
03:49 <Vanhayes> yell when you want to start
03:51 <Vanhayes> heh, "whomever"
03:56 <Vanhayes> sorry, i just find the word whom funny
04:02 <Your_mom_arma> pong
04:06 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma: GodTodd ping
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04:52 <Your_mom_arma> ?
04:59 <Vanhayes> hmm, looks like I'm getting up at 7 am tommorow, no civ for me tonight
04:59 <Vanhayes> #night
04:59 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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06:26 <MrBougo> hello :)
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06:53 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: ping
07:06 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: pong
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> she said at the end of her visit that she thought this whole thing was ridiculous :)
07:06 <GodTodd> good, that's the impression you want :)
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> the good bit, as far as I'm concerned, is when she told me what *she* had heard about the urinary tract infection
07:07 <GodTodd> what was that?
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> she had been told that the school had only "recommended" I take my daughter to the doctor to check for it
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> which is kind of like saying we dropped a little bomb on Hiroshima
07:07 <GodTodd> right
07:08 <GodTodd> or that the government "recommends" we carry car insurance
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> I told her about the water bottle and the school's story, and the part where both versions of the story are accidents, why do they choose to lie to support their version if both are accidents?
07:09 <GodTodd> yep
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> and of course, the nurse was a lot more insistent than "recommend", and the line of reasoning that goes "she demanded we take my daughter to be treated for UTI and *refused to talk about any other possibilities*"
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> so we could have *solved* this problem in the meantime
07:09 <GodTodd> exactly
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> so it comes down to, the nurse says "do what I say, when I say, or I'll try to have your kids taken away"
07:10 <GodTodd> yep
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> she agreed with my reasoning, or at least she agreed that it was my point of view :)
07:10 <GodTodd> heh
07:10 <GodTodd> and that it wasn't a "nutso" point of view
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> she kind of teared up when she asked how we "discipline" our kids, and I answered
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> of course, punishment doesn't work, and discipline != punishment, so we teach them discipline and don't punish them at all
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> we separate them when there's problems (like they're fighting), so of course they don't always see it as not punishment
07:11 <GodTodd> right
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> and when we go to the park and put our kid next to a kid that gets spanked for every transgression, ours is better-behaved
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> feels good to have older kids that actually justify our approach, there.  :)
07:12 <GodTodd> heh
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> so she started tearing up over that, but controlled herself pretty well.  Said it was refreshing to hear this point of view.
07:12 <GodTodd> yeah...cps people are usually against punishments
07:12 <GodTodd> especially physical types
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> for good reason.  All it does is build resentment and drive the behavior you're punishing out of sight without stopping it, and in some cases making it worse
07:13 <GodTodd> yep
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> and I told her that part, too, as part of the answer.  ;)
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> my wife supported it, of course.  The meeting basically required she separate us to ask us questions, then she had to talk to our youngest by himself
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> and she asked us the same questions, so she could easily check our answers against each other
07:14 <GodTodd> right
07:16 <GodTodd> now...the fallout from "those who are against you" could be unpredictable 
07:17 <GodTodd> since the cps route flamed out on them
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> the principal already caved, remember?  :)  Put my daughter in a different classroom with only 6 days (her count, it was actually 7 that day) left in the year
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> now it's time for us to run our offensive, if we're going to run one (which we are)
07:18 <GodTodd> that doesn't neutralize the nurse, however.
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> so Monday morning we call the superintendent who hasn't called us back yet
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> we intend to neutralize the nurse by getting her fired, if at all possible
07:18 <GodTodd> ah
07:18 <GodTodd> that could do it ;)
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> I'm basically going to tell the superintendent my daughter peed on herself 20 times, 18 of which were preventable
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> but the nurse wouldn't work with us, and instead had to pull this cps stunt
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> and was completely wrong, every step of the way
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> in the meantime, the school has been instructed that our kids are *not* to see the nurse, and the teacher is to call home instead
07:19 <GodTodd> good
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> if they fire the nurse and reprimand the teacher, and the principal is acting reasonably (i.e. not doing it just to keep us from doing worse things), we'll feel reasonably comfortable sending them back to this school next year
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> I'd prefer the nurse be fired in such a way that ends her career, and the reprimand for the teacher should also be firing, but not in a way that ends her career
07:21 <GodTodd> right
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> not yet, anyway.  Maybe the next time she utterly fails to control her classroom and tries to pass the buck then she should change her career
07:21 <GodTodd> thing is...if an investigation can *prove* she called cps maliciously...that could also constitute criminal charges
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> luckily texas schools are hurting so much for people that they can get away with firing the teacher and knowing she'll be able to find work again
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> if that's possible
07:22 <GodTodd> it'd be hard
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> indeed, it would be a felony.  I spoke to the cps lady about that
07:22 <GodTodd> but if she's not too careful about her paper trail, it's possible tho
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> I told her I thought it was malicious and gave her what I knew, but admitted it wasn't strong evidence.  So if she has to talk to the school again, I'd like her to have that in mind and see what she comes up with.
07:22 <GodTodd> exactly :)
07:23 <GodTodd> plant the seed and see what germinates
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> I'm hoping she sleeps on it and realizes how utterly ridiculous this whole thing was and comes to the conclusion that I'm not as nutty as I look, and goes looking for more.
07:23 <GodTodd> all depends on how overworked that branch of cps is
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> no, not this time, and I'll tell you why :)
07:24 <GodTodd> why? :)
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> the cps lady told us she had a kid, and she was well familiar with how you get surrounded by people telling you you're a bad parent
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> she even told us an anecdote about her and her kid over something, I forgot the exact story (maybe if I remember it, I'll tell you :)  )
07:24 <GodTodd> heh
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> but it amounted to "This is my first kid, and I'm surrounded by people teling me I don't know what I'm doing!"
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> which is what happens with the first kid, near as I can tell.  Happened to us, anyway.
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> so she has an axe to grind in that particular area, which is exactly what she sees the school as doing
07:25 <GodTodd> yeah...first kid is the guinea pig
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> which is a good interpretation, as far as I'm concerned
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> the counselor only has one kid, who is the same age as my daughter.  And she basically came right out and told us she's still a knee-jerking first-time parent
07:26 <GodTodd> personally, i had a bit of an advantage having helped raise my brother and sister...but still nothing like one of your own
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> she didn't put it quite that way, rather, she said we needed a new doctor if ours couldn't see that a bloody nose was a symptom of a sinus infection (which the school nurse could see)
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07:26 <Lucifer_arma> the principal has two kids, but her oldest is just starting school next year, and her youngest is a toddler
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> so while she has more control over the knee-jerking, she still hasn't dealt with her own kid in the second grade
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> and the teacher doesn't have any kids, or even a husband
07:27 <GodTodd> yeah...thing is...once they hit school is when you get the most people telling you how bad you're fucking up your kid
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> the nurse said she had a son, but we don't know his age, and she's old enough he could be full grown
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, they're teachers :)
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> actually, this is the first teacher we've had treat us this way
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> the other teachers have all done much better
07:28 <GodTodd> teachers, nurses, principals, paraprofessionals, bus drivers, etc etc.
07:28 <GodTodd> :)
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> but see, the principal and the counselor won't have it like we do.  All they have to do is tell their kids' school what their jobs are and the problem goes away
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> they'll not be treated as dumb parents, they'll be treated as colleagues
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> they'll be acting like dumb parents, however
07:29 <GodTodd> luckily, i deal with special ed teachers right now and tommy is better behaved than most in there, so i get applauded most of the time :)
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> man, I realized tonight that I'm completely off the "don't spank your kids" bandwagon, I've moved to even more extremes than just not spanking
07:30 <GodTodd> i think my youngest is going to be more trouble at school than tommy could dream of being :/
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> we don't just get complimented for our kids being well-behaved, we get complimented that they're so well-behaved *and* happy
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> youngest always is :)
07:31 <GodTodd> well...i'm planning on him being middle by then 
07:31 <GodTodd> heh
07:32 <GodTodd> just basically the "explain what they did wrong and why it was wrong" thing?
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, pretty much.
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> every time they fuck up is an opportunity for them to learn something
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> they can learn why what they did was a fuck up, or they can learn that daddy's an asshole
07:33 <GodTodd> heh
07:33 <GodTodd> how do you drive home the "asshole" part without the "punishment" part?
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> you don't, you do the first thing and drive home how they fucked up and what they can do better
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> they might still decide daddy's an asshole, but that's only because they think for themselves :)
07:34 <GodTodd> so basically they fix the fuck up so you'll shut up
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> we do use timeouts, and the idea is "you figure out how you fucked up, then we'll talk about it"
07:35 <GodTodd> yeah...that's how i use timeout
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> most of the time the talking about it doesn't hae to happen because they actually knew beforehand.  Most of the time the timeout expires and we do nothing further because they're good kids and try to do better
07:35 <GodTodd> i figure the only point to it is thinking time
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> I spot check them to see that they're actually thinking about stuff, and I really check their plans to do better when they keep doing the same things
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> for the most part, things that kids are punished for are always things they will just grow out of on their own
07:36 <GodTodd> right
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, why spank the kid for having a fist-fight?  He'll grow out of it as he gets control of his temper, and that control only comes with age, maturity, and knowing the other kid will hit back
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> spanking just pisses him off in the meantime
07:37 <GodTodd> yeah...i don't like spanking either
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> and in fighting situations, the timeout serves to cool them down, defuse the tempers, etc.
07:38 <GodTodd> not to mention the "i'll show you it's wrong to hit by hitting you" aspect ;)
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> they almost always go and apologize and hug after a fight if they're given time to cool down, and they do that part on their own, the apologies
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> yeah.  We already have the "I'll show you it's wrong to take by taking" thing going on, haven't figured out a way around that
07:39 <GodTodd> we're using some mild restrictions for tommy....i'm trying to come up with better ways than that tho....it's a little more challenging with him because he thinks a bit differently
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> we don't use restrictions at all.  :)  I've *never* seen them work, and I've seen them used on a lot of kids, myself included
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> maybe they're working for you, I don't know, because I don't see it
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> but when I do see it, it never works
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> now, if you define me taking a toy away when the kids are whacking each other with it as a restriction, then we do use them
07:41 <GodTodd> i think the restrictions aren't working...but the "you can't do something you wanted to do because you fucked up" works pretty well
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> but usually I take the toy away once, let them cool down, give it back (long enough after the fact that they don't associate the return of the toy with anything), and the next itme I have to take it it's trash
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> that works well if you can make a direct association
07:41 <GodTodd> right
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> such as "You can't go with mommy because you took 4 hours to clean your room" works very well
07:42 <GodTodd> that's how we plan it
07:42 <GodTodd> right
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> "Now you don't have enough time to go anywhere!"
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> works nicely.  Not always the first time, though, but they do figure it out when it's a pattern
07:42 <GodTodd> or the "you took too long doing your homework so no gymnastics this week"
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> right.  "Schoolwork is more important" etc
07:43 <GodTodd> exactly
07:43 <GodTodd> i think that's been working the best of anything i've tried
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> we had two tee-ball practices on school days, so if my son didn't do his homework, he didn't go to practice
07:43 <GodTodd> yep
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> he did his homework every day :)
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> he was required to go to the games, however, even when he started losing interest, because he had a commitment to the team
07:43 <GodTodd> yeah...at first they test to see if you're bluffing...when you stand your ground it's amazing how quickly stuff gets done ;)
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> that was there only to deal with him waking up saturday morning and deciding he didn't feel like going, knowing that on sunday he'd change his mind and feel bad about not going
07:44 <mkzelda> #tea
07:44 <armabot> mkzelda: Fortress Café: Players (1/32): ChixR4Fags
07:44 <GodTodd> right...like tommy is taking violin this summer...we told him he's at least required to finish out through august....if he wants to tell us to fuck off after that, then fine :)
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> haha, that's gotta be the stupidest arma name I've ever seen
07:45 <mkzelda> hehe
07:45 <mkzelda> that'd be me
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> gj mkzelda (hi there!) 
07:45 <mkzelda> hey
07:46 <mkzelda> i hardly play anymore cause theres never anyone on fort or sumo, alwyas ctf and high rubber
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> that's odd, when I go in I always see people sumoing, and frequently on fort
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> of course, I haven't played in a while because I've been fighting the school instead
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> and right now I'm pretty high on myself, so watch out!  ;)
07:47 <mkzelda> ive just crossed my halfway point on house arrest
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah?  you can go through the front door now?
07:48 <mkzelda> i've finished 3 months out of 6
07:48 <mkzelda> only 3 more months and im done w/ everything
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> I worked with a guy who was on house arrest back at sonic, and he lived across the street
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> said the sensor didn't let him go past the back door so he couldn't take out the trash
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> then one night I was out smoking and he came out to bum a cigarette, I told him we had to walk farther away from the door
07:49 <mkzelda> ya its supposed to be a 150ft radius
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> he did, and I slowly inched towards the trash
07:49 <mkzelda> for me
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> we reached the trash and his sensor hadn't gone off, so I told him he had to take out the trash when he was done with that cigarrette
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> he was so pissed
07:49 <mkzelda> heh
07:49 <mkzelda> ya i have a lot of ppl call me and ask if im at home
07:50 <mkzelda> but despite the 150ft radius i get false alarms
07:50 <mkzelda> i've had 4 so far
07:50 <mkzelda> every time 4-5am
07:51 <mkzelda> #tea
07:51 <armabot> mkzelda: Fortress Café: Players (2/32): dookatee, HsPramb
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> I'm happy the cps lady thought this was a ridiculous call
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> I really hope she decides to grind her axe some more and go after the school
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> she doesn't have to find malice to make me happy, she just has to scare them shitless
07:53 <mkzelda> child protective services did what?
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> you haven't seen my little soap opera?
07:53 <mkzelda> no
07:53 <mkzelda> i suppose i can scroll
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> oh man, heh
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> you'll have to check the chatlogs
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> #realchatlogs
07:54 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: http://master3.armagetronad.net/armalogs/
07:54 <GodTodd> yeah...if cps does any kind of investigating it should send the school scrambling
07:55 <mkzelda> my parents made my sister eat grits once
07:55 <mkzelda> she told the school they beat her and stuff
07:55 <mkzelda> heh
07:55 <Bougo> bye
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07:55 <mkzelda> they tried to get cps on my parents but luckily a teacher knew them well
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> http://master3.armagetronad.net/armalogs/log-2007-05-04.txt
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> story starts around 6:35 on that page
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> you'll have to look yourself for the updates I've been dropping in with since then
07:58 <mkzelda> k
08:09 <GodTodd> wow...i'm moving up on the irc stats list heh
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08:23 <Lucifer_arma> Lucifer_arma is either insane or just a fair op, kicking a total of 32 people!
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> Lucifer_arma's faithful follower, guru3, kicked about 18 people.
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08:54 <Lucifer_arma> #m philippeqc my spellchecker's broken, did you get my massage?
08:54 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
08:54 <philippeqc> lol
08:55 <philippeqc> hi luci
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> hi philippeqc (hi there!) 
08:55 <philippeqc> how is everything
08:55 <philippeqc> what was your massage about ;)
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> good.  the cps lady told us she thought the call was ridiculous :)
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> no message, just a joke :)
08:56 <philippeqc> i got that
08:56 <philippeqc> what is a cps lady?
08:56 <philippeqc> and what call is taht
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> ah, child protective services, and the call was a call from my daughter's school saying we're awful parents
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, anybody here switched to feisty fawn?
09:01 <philippeqc> nope, not yet
09:01 <ToddAway> me
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> ToddAway: any problems with Adept?
09:01 <ToddAway> what's adept?
09:01 <ToddAway> heh
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> package manager, gui
09:01 <ToddAway> oh...dunno...i use commandline
09:01 <philippeqc> ToddAway: is it done without effort, or do I need to sit over it, and configure many things? 
09:02 <ToddAway> haven't used gui pack manager since switching from gnome
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: you talking about an upgrade, or are you looking at switching from Mandriva to it?
09:02 <philippeqc> I'm already on Ubuntu
09:02 <philippeqc> so just an upgrade to the current version
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> ah, ok.  I installed from scratch on a fresh hard drive, so I can't answer your question
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> I've got this weird thing happening with Adept where it won't actually do anything
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> apt-get works fine from the terminal, though
09:03 <philippeqc> o
09:03 <ToddAway> i'm still not seeing adept....i have add/remove and synaptic
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> I'm in Kubuntu, maybe it's a kubuntu thing
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> I'll apt-get synaptic :)
09:04 <ToddAway> could be
09:04 <ToddAway> i've never had any problems with synaptic
09:04 <ToddAway> now...the update manager hangs for me sometimes
09:05 <ToddAway> philippeqc: you mean the upgrade to feisty? is it pretty much set it and forget it?
09:05 <ToddAway> philippeqc: if that's the question then "yes" is the answer :)
09:05 <philippeqc> ok, good to know
09:05 <ToddAway> upgrade was smooth
09:06 <philippeqc> Just got AA's code kinda working, so I didnt want to add new probs along the way
09:06 <ToddAway> heh
09:06 <philippeqc> anyone understand the smart pointers that z-man made for the game?
09:06 <philippeqc> or rather how to use them
09:06 <Lucifer_arma> man, I had a helluva time building the freeciv beta4 last night
09:07 <ToddAway> i hate my video card
09:07 <ToddAway> i have to reboot into an xgl session to run 3d games :/
09:09 <philippeqc> when I create a zone in the parser, I'd like to keep a reference to it for a bit. 
09:09 <philippeqc> it seems that creating game object place them in some type of smart pointers so the engine can manage them
09:09 <Lucifer_arma> heh
09:09 <Lucifer_arma> I have sex with animals.  My wife can be pretty brutal...
09:10 <Lucifer_arma> *animal (just one)
09:10 <philippeqc> how could I get it "smart pointered" so the ref-count is updated
09:10 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: I don't know, but I think you're encountering a problem similar to what I ran into for the cycle sound
09:10 <philippeqc> luci, even though it is called a pussy, it doesnt count as an animal
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> cycle pointer disappeared, but I didn't know about it
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> look, humans are animals, no way around it.  So any sex with humans is by definition sex with an animal.
09:11 <philippeqc> i understood that, but tried to dig your joke one degree deeper.
09:11 <ToddAway> bullshit....according to the Church of luke-jr (TM) humans are *not* animals
09:12 <philippeqc> I'd be hungry all the time if I was a comedian
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> I'd be laughing if you told your jokes in their native language :)
09:12 <philippeqc> no, I'm sure they are as funny in either language
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> (actually, I'd be checking google translate)
09:13 <philippeqc> I just get tolerated because people ASSUME its a language thing
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> hey, don't kill the buzz, man.  I'd rather make the assumption that you have a really wonderful sense of humor.
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> it really offsets the pauly shore thing
09:13 <philippeqc> i changed hair cut in jan. No more pauly shore
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, we saw the picture....  ;)
09:14 <philippeqc> I didn't post a pick of my after-pauly-shore-hairdue???
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> actually, I somehow got distracted reading the irc logs and wound up reading P4's blatant idiotic homophobia that indicates he needs to come out of the closet since homosexuality is set in stone by the time you're 8 years old, and therefore not infectious
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: I was referring to your avatar :)
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09:16 <Lucifer_arma> so if he's worried because he's seen some cute asses on men, it's because he was already gay before he was 8, not because he got infected as an adult
09:16 -!- Your_mom_arma [n=Your_mom@pool-70-106-110-60.pskn.east.verizon.net] has quit ["cya"]
09:16 <MrBougo> "infected"?
09:16 <MrBougo> infected sounds so negative :/
09:16 <Lucifer_arma> not when it's HIV
09:16 <philippeqc> homosexuality is not contagious? Then why the heck am i still getting these kiss on the mouth from my immunologist?
09:17 <ToddAway> then it's positive :)
09:17 <Lucifer_arma> man, I'll take gay love over straight hate any day
09:17 <MrBougo> Lucifer_arma, i thought you were talking about homosexuality
09:17 <philippeqc> we are
09:17 <ToddAway> damn fags
09:17 <ToddAway> kill them all
09:17 <MrBougo> yep but about "infected"
09:17 <MrBougo> stfu ToddAway 
09:17 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I burned a bunch of fags the other night
09:18 <Lucifer_arma> I kept saying it, too
09:18 <ToddAway> heh
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09:18 <Lucifer_arma> when my wife got confused, I asked her "you're not familiar with the bundle of sticks definition of fag?"
09:18 <ToddAway> bahahaha
09:18 <ToddAway> he thought we were serious :)
09:18 <philippeqc> roasting marshmallow over burning fags
09:18 <Lucifer_arma> (it was when we were burning the tree clippings)
09:19  * philippeqc didnt know the bundle of stick definition, but likes it!
09:19 <ToddAway> brits call cigs fags too, don't they?
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> yessir
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> so they're burning fags all day and all niht over there
09:20 <ToddAway> yep
09:20 <ToddAway> damn homophobes
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> I think they use a different word than fag as a slur for homosexual, though
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> could be wrong
09:20 <philippeqc> fag: intransitive verb: to work hard
09:20 <ToddAway> probably
09:20 <ToddAway> they do work hard
09:21 <ToddAway> "i fagged his ass last night"
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> fag it, baby
09:23 <philippeqc> fagot is the bundle of stick according to m-w.com
09:23 <ToddAway> yep
09:23 <ToddAway> and a gay dude
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> it's frequently convenient to abbreviate that to "fag"
09:23 <philippeqc> gay dude is fag 
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> fagot, too
09:24 <ToddAway> fag is just a way to get more hate out quicker :)
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> also, P4 is a good synonym for homosexual
09:24 <ToddAway> that and most homophobes are monosyllabic
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> I'm actually surprised Bougo thought we were being bigoted.  I've played enough arma with him that it surprises me he didn't know better
09:25 <ToddAway> heh
09:25 <ToddAway> serves him right for drawing a conclusion on a conversation that he entered in the middle of :)
09:25 <philippeqc> lol! love this community, we are discussing word usage of synonyms of homosexual, but in a non-homophobes way!
09:26 <mkzelda> fagsR4chix
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> hey, speaking of whiches
09:26 <philippeqc> burn the whiches!
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> the school counselor made a big deal at that meeting back in february about how people really do judge by appearances, that appearances are very important, and that diversity doesn't work, they've tried it
09:27 <ToddAway> i believe i
09:27 <ToddAway> t
09:27 <mkzelda> lol what?
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> I don't even know how to respond to that
09:27 <mkzelda> they intentionally bus people all over the place here
09:27 <mkzelda> to unnaturally force diversity
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> that's like telling me jesus was real and walked on water
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> stupid is stupid, I guess
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> mkzelda: that might not work, but I'm looking around this chatroom...
09:28 <Lucifer_arma> really, I get more surprised when I meet a white person these days, for some reason.
09:28 <Lucifer_arma> something about the course of my degree has reached a point where white people are a minority in every class now
09:28 <Lucifer_arma> make that WASP, specifically
09:28 <ToddAway> general society is different than here tho....in general society people do judge by appearances...that's why we hang out here :)
09:28 <philippeqc> What would Jesus do: "You should love your neighbor like you love your God. Burn them gaysexual. God is the only one who can judge."
09:28 <Lucifer_arma> which is what the school administration is, a bunch of WASPs
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> people judge by appearances *when that's all they have*
09:29 <ToddAway> yep
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> most people look deeper when they have deeper to look
09:29 <ToddAway> depends on region, i suspect
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> very *very* few, in my experience, ignore anything other than appearance
09:30 <Lucifer_arma> well, I haven't yet had one person at the school judge me negatively by my appearance, at least, not that they've acted in a way that I could see
09:30 <ToddAway> deep in the ozarks, for instance, would be different than a big city
09:30 <ToddAway> Lucifer_arma: that's because colleges tend to be more accepting
09:30 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm not flipping burgers, and on paper the minimum education requirements for my job are a BS in physics/engineering
09:31 <mkzelda> i get mixed responses due to my appearance
09:31 <Lucifer_arma> of course, where the rubber meets the road, they have to hire students or they don't get anybody
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09:31 <ToddAway> yep
09:31 <mkzelda> and its often not what i expect
09:31 <DrJoeTron> anyone here know much about NiMH batteries
09:31 <Lucifer_arma> mkzelda: are you a pauly shore lookalike?
09:31 <ToddAway> burn DrJoeFag!
09:31  * ToddAway is.
09:31 <mkzelda> sorta, but bigger fro
09:31 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: besides being made by magical rats?
09:32 <ToddAway> buuuuuuuuuuddy
09:32 <mkzelda> i met him once
09:32 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma duh
09:32 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: no, that's all I know, sorry
09:32 <DrJoeTron> i have a charging question
09:32 <ToddAway> it's a secret
09:32 <mkzelda> i went to see him at a comedy club and he pulled me up on stage for a karaoke contest
09:32 <DrJoeTron> o ok
09:32 <mkzelda> i had to sing 'strokin'
09:32 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, you're the white guy with a fro
09:33 <DrJoeTron> or any batteries
09:33 <DrJoeTron> is it ok to charge while its being discharged?
09:33 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: just ask, man
09:33 <ToddAway> hey...pauly shore is funnier than carrot top
09:33 <mkzelda> haha
09:33 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, people do that all the time
09:33 <DrJoeTron> ok
09:33 <mkzelda> that comment was funnier than the 2 of them combined
09:33 <Lucifer_arma> however
09:33 <DrJoeTron> I'm working with these battery packs
09:33 <DrJoeTron> and they arent holding a charge well
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09:33 <MrBougo> blah
09:33 <Lucifer_arma> some devices are setup to not allow that, but you'll know when that happens
09:33 <DrJoeTron> they're also fairly new
09:34 <ToddAway> another thing about fags...
09:34 <ToddAway> :)
09:34 <Lucifer_arma> it's just a question of rates is all
09:34 <philippeqc> didnt get to ear much of carrot top. He seems quite agressive. Not really my type. But I'd have to check more to get a real opinion
09:34 <MrBougo> lol ToddAway, want me to leave again?
09:34 <MrBougo> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/log-2007-05-20.txt ;)
09:34 <mkzelda> DrJoeTron: that should be fine
09:34 <DrJoeTron> mkzelda thats the thing, they arent holind a charge fast it looks like
09:34 <DrJoeTron> it loses it fast it looks like
09:34 <MrBougo> sorry guys, but you really looked serious :p
09:34 <Lucifer_arma> haha
09:34 <ToddAway> MrBougo: if you followed the conversation, you'd know i've been joking and that i'm one of the least homophobic people you could find :)
09:35 <MrBougo> yep, but i didnt join at the good time :p
09:35 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, he's so un-homophobic that he lets DrJoeTron (hi there!) peg him every now and then
09:35 <DrJoeTron> fuck wrtlprnfts chat log
09:35 <ToddAway> only when he buys dinner first
09:35 <ToddAway> otherwise i'm the giver
09:35 <MrBougo> who would fuck a chatlog
09:35 <MrBougo> :(
09:35 <ToddAway> i would
09:36 <ToddAway> i'd fuck almost anything
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> hell, if it was slightly warm, I would too
09:36 <DrJoeTron> LETS PUT IT ON GOOGLE HURDADURR
09:36 <ToddAway> i'm a nympho
09:36 <mkzelda> DrJoeTron: then they sound like they've expended their life
09:36 <MrBougo> ToddAway, go fuck yourself then
09:36 <MrBougo> :D
09:36  * ToddAway humps a pole.
09:36 <MrBougo> aw
09:36  * ToddAway humps MrBougo.
09:36 <DrJoeTron> mkzelda i got them 2 days ago : /
09:36 <mkzelda> new?
09:36 <DrJoeTron> i think its a charger problem
09:36 <philippeqc> I recall helping a friend planning a murder mystery supper
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: take the duct tape off the wires and see if they're broken
09:36 <MrBougo> ToddAway, you need help
09:36 <MrBougo> definitely.
09:37 <ToddAway> MrBougo: nah...i can hump by myself :)
09:37 <philippeqc> you always need to tie in all person invited to the murdered person
09:37 <DrJoeTron> http://www.nyko.com/nyko/products/?i=102
09:37  * Lucifer_arma helps ToddAway (hi there!) hump MrBougo
09:37 <ToddAway> gangbang!
09:37  * MrBougo slaps Lucifer_arma (hi there!)
09:37 <ToddAway> DrJoeTron: get you some of this!
09:37 <mkzelda> oh wait
09:37 <MrBougo> ganghump you mean?
09:37 <Lucifer_arma> damn homophobe
09:37 <mkzelda> is this the first time you've charged them?
09:37 <DrJoeTron> gangfist
09:38 <MrBougo> why homophobe :(
09:38 <MrBougo> i thought you'd like it
09:38  * ToddAway fists DrJoeTron.
09:38  * MrBougo runs away
09:38 <DrJoeTron> nah this is like charge 5
09:38 <mkzelda> oh
09:38 <philippeqc> we ended up having the murdered person intimatly involved as "he was a gay men who got a sex change to become a lesbian woman", hence allowing the relation with all involved
09:38 <mkzelda> u must charge like 24 hrs b4 u attempt to use it
09:38 <DrJoeTron> but havent let them fully discharge
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: you're on the fifth charge in 2 days?!?
09:38 <mkzelda> and then let them discharge and do it all over again
09:38 <DrJoeTron> 24 hours?
09:38 <DrJoeTron> it says here 2 hours :/
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: you couldn't just say "you're his brother, you're his mother, you're his neighbor, etc"?
09:38 <philippeqc> T'was quite a messed up set-up, dont think anyone could have guessed it from their back-ground we gave them
09:39 <philippeqc> yes we could
09:39 <ToddAway> DrJoeTron: you got ripped
09:39 <mkzelda> i used to work a cellphone booth and ive charged many cellphone batteries
09:39 <mkzelda> and laptop batteries
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: with NiMH batteries you're resetting the sensor, iirc
09:39 <mkzelda> u usually charge them 24 hrs
09:39 <mkzelda> w/o interruption
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> I have to unplug my laptop every now and then and run the battery completely down
09:39 <philippeqc> but it is often in Agata Christie type setup with count such and such and Duchess of the little pond and butlers and all
09:40 <DrJoeTron> it wont charge them for 24 hours
09:40 <DrJoeTron> it stops after 4hours
09:40 <mkzelda> it cuts off automatically?
09:40 <Lucifer_arma> man, who gives a shit who murdered the count?  isn't it good enough that another aristocrat is dead?
09:40 <DrJoeTron> if there is 2
09:40 <mkzelda> i dunno
09:40 <DrJoeTron> "each providing up to 25 hours of play time."
09:40 <DrJoeTron> should let it fully discharge?
09:40 <mkzelda> the size of that batter looks like a cellphone battery
09:40 <Lucifer_arma> don't play your wii so much?
09:40 <ToddAway> DrJoeTron: i would
09:40 <DrJoeTron> but its NiMH
09:40 <mkzelda> yes, after a full charge u should let it fully discharge
09:40 <philippeqc> imagine a set-up where you receive instruction that you where a same-sex lover with murdered person, and having someone of the other sex infront of you claiming the same thing
09:41 <MrBougo> mkzelda, are you sure?
09:41 <DrJoeTron> since it cuts off
09:41 <MrBougo> oh nevermind, i thought you were talking about Li-Ion
09:41 <mkzelda> NiMH is supposed to have 'no memory' 
09:41 <mkzelda> but they do
09:41 <DrJoeTron> it changes color
09:41 <DrJoeTron> the light
09:41 <DrJoeTron> should i just leave it in the dock
09:41 <MrBougo> Li-Ion should never be empty, right?
09:41 <DrJoeTron> yeah
09:41 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: maybe this is a YHTBT minute?
09:41 <philippeqc> maybe
09:42 <mkzelda> DrJoeTron: i dunno, if its auto cutting off, it knows best
09:42 <philippeqc> you have to have played a murder Mystery too I guess
09:42 <DrJoeTron> mkzelda i think I'm having charging problems
09:42 <MrBougo> it depends... did the light change with some voltmeter or with some timer
09:42 <mkzelda> but i'd try to use it up after a full charge
09:42 <mkzelda> be it 4 hrs
09:42 <mkzelda> or whatever
09:42 <DrJoeTron> yeah
09:42 <Lucifer_arma> and several times, because the first time might only help it
09:42 <DrJoeTron> i think something moved the controller in the dock
09:42 <Lucifer_arma> at least, that's how it works with my laptop battery
09:42 <ToddAway> DrJoeTron: tell the truth...you painted the light after four hours.
09:42 <DrJoeTron> and made it think it was done
09:43 <DrJoeTron> ToddAway fuck you, pig fucker
09:43 <ToddAway> you're a pig?
09:43 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm, baconnnnnnn
09:43 <DrJoeTron> you make me squeal
09:43 <DrJoeTron> :B
09:43 <ToddAway> oink oink, baby
09:43 <Lucifer_arma> wait, DrJoeTron (hi there!) is fat?
09:43 <ToddAway> just his dick
09:43 <DrJoeTron> ToddAway thats a tumor actually
09:43 <ToddAway> ah
09:44 <DrJoeTron> :)
09:44 <MrBougo> you all need help
09:44 <MrBougo> and some sleep too
09:44 <mkzelda> its not a tumah
09:44 <MrBougo> and a lobotomy
09:44 <ToddAway> you have a tumor and gonorrhea?
09:44 <DrJoeTron> IM A COP U IDIOT
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> my dad had a tumor
09:44 <mkzelda> DYLAN!
09:44 <DrJoeTron> GET TO DA CHOPPA
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> hey, I finally saw cars
09:44 <mkzelda> i think i have a tumor
09:44 <DrJoeTron> the band?
09:44 <DrJoeTron> the cars?
09:44 <MrBougo> Lucifer_arma ???
09:44 <ToddAway> the movie, i think
09:44 <mkzelda> back of my leg, behind my knee
09:44 <MrBougo> what car...
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> I've got a growth of some sort on my neck
09:45 <Lucifer_arma> Cars, the movie
09:45 <mkzelda> its like, half a golf ball
09:45 <DrJoeTron> o
09:45 <DrJoeTron> :(
09:45 <MrBougo> oh ok
09:45 <MrBougo> i didnt
09:45 <DrJoeTron> the band would have been cooler
09:45 <DrJoeTron> best studio band ever
09:45 <Lucifer_arma> "I don't mind you coming here and wasting all my time time time"
09:45 <MrBougo> i dunno the band, but i'm sure it would have been better
09:45 <Lucifer_arma> nah, The Cars were the suckiest band ever
09:45 <DrJoeTron> WEEEEEEEEOOOWEEEEEEEEEEE
09:45 <mkzelda> i requested an appointment at the doctors office friday b4 last, and they havent called me back yet
09:45 <MrBougo> Lucifer_arma, and what about the film?
09:45 <Lucifer_arma> "You might think I'm crazy, all I want is jews"
09:46 <mkzelda> i think cause i said i dont have insurance
09:46 <Lucifer_arma> MrBougo: not sure, just remember someone here asking me if I'd seen it sometime in the last 6 months or so
09:46 <mkzelda> assholes, i have cash, 
09:46 <MrBougo> $i wasnt here in the last 6 months or so
09:46 <mkzelda> i really just want my tumor checked out
09:46 <ToddAway> i thought it was "you might think i'm crazy, all i want is booze"
09:46 <mkzelda> hehe
09:47 <mkzelda> Jew crazy
09:47 <Lucifer_arma> sure it's not "You might think I"m crazy, all I want is ooz"?
09:47 <mkzelda> Jew must be jamaican cause jamaican me crazy
09:47 <DrJoeTron> nah guys
09:47 <DrJoeTron> its a homage
09:47 <DrJoeTron> to heuy lewis and the news
09:47 <mkzelda> homoage?
09:47 <Lucifer_arma> really?
09:47 <DrJoeTron> oh of course
09:47 <ToddAway> now *that* was the suckiest band ever
09:47 <Lucifer_arma> "You might think I'm crazy, all I want is news"?
09:47 <DrJoeTron> yes
09:47 <Lucifer_arma> nah, huey lewis was badass
09:47 <ToddAway> haha
09:48 <mkzelda> i thought it was the freedom to choose
09:48 <Lucifer_arma> Th-th-th-th-they say the heart of rock and roll is still beating
09:48 <ToddAway> you can't say that after listening to hip to be square
09:48 <ToddAway> honestly
09:48 <Lucifer_arma> listen?  dude, I played it
09:48 <ToddAway> so did i
09:48 <DrJoeTron> this place is fucking bumpin
09:48 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, you did didn't you?
09:48 <ToddAway> yep
09:48 <mkzelda> i had an argument today that a cube has 8 corners, not 12
09:48 <Lucifer_arma> Steinhaus class?
09:48 <ToddAway> on flute no less
09:48 <ToddAway> yep
09:48 <mkzelda> the person i was fighting was adament
09:49 <mkzelda> he insisted that a cube had 12 corners
09:49 <ToddAway> 8 corners...12 sides
09:49 <MrBougo> :D
09:49 <DrJoeTron> 32 sides
09:49 <Lucifer_arma> he probably calls one cube a "dice"
09:49 <DrJoeTron> suoer cube
09:49 <DrJoeTron> super cube
09:49 <ToddAway> super ball!
09:50 <mkzelda> would a 4d square/cube have 12 or 16?
09:50 <ToddAway> super pussy!
09:50 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so hip to be square isn't huey lewis's best song
09:50 <ToddAway> haha
09:50 <Lucifer_arma> but what about "One that won't make me hurt, wondering what to do.  One that makes me feel like I feel when I'm with a jew"
09:50 <DrJoeTron> itunes needs to stop being a cunt
09:50 <ToddAway> hip to be square should be grounds for the death penalty
09:50 <Lucifer_arma> "I want a new drug!"
09:50 <DrJoeTron> Ghost busters!
09:51 <DrJoeTron> Power of love too Lucifer_arma 
09:51 <MrBougo> mkzelda
09:51 <MrBougo> #wikipedia hypercube
09:51 <armabot> MrBougo: Search took 0.14 seconds: Hypercube - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercube>; Tesseract - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesseract>; Cube 2: Hypercube - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cube_2:_Hypercube>; Latin hypercube sampling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (2 more messages)
09:51 <MrBougo> :)
09:51 <DrJoeTron> If you ever saw Back to the future
09:51 <Lucifer_arma> man, I think we might be on to a cool running irc game :)
09:51 <DrJoeTron> god damn
09:51 <philippeqc> last week, was at a party. As it was Eurovision song contest at the same time, we had our own lil competition.
09:51 <mkzelda> those were cool movies
09:51 <MrBougo> tesseracts are crazy, give it a try
09:51 <Lucifer_arma> dropping random jew references in quotes is fun :)
09:51 <DrJoeTron> that song was beaten into your head
09:51 <DrJoeTron> MAK FRAIY
09:52 <mkzelda> ya im familiar, couldnt remember it
09:52 <MrBougo> i've once tried to watch a tesseract projetcion on a space, with 3D glasses
09:52 <philippeqc> Best Song Ever! Everybody had proposed one, and people got to vote in the same fashion as in eurovision
09:52 <DrJoeTron> YOUR FAIUURRRRRD
09:52 <philippeqc> with 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,10,12 point
09:52 <DrJoeTron> damn you needles....
09:52 <philippeqc> I wanted to come in the top 25%,so I searched for a long time for a song that would get me there
09:52 <ToddAway> jew ok, DrJoeTron?
09:52 <philippeqc> got it on he edge, place 8 of 34
09:52 <DrJoeTron> heendish
09:53 <Lucifer_arma> you know, as much as I've seen back to the future, the song I always associate with huey lewis is IF this is it
09:53 <philippeqc> with .... drum rool.... Eyes of the Tiger!
09:53 <mkzelda> 16 corners
09:53 <Lucifer_arma> please let me knoww, if this ain't love you better let me go!  If this is it....
09:53 <DrJoeTron> eye of the tiger
09:53 <ToddAway> eye of the tiger rules!
09:53 <DrJoeTron> god damn
09:53 <mkzelda> eye of fatima
09:53 <DrJoeTron> i have to live with eye of the tiger 
09:53 <ToddAway> it's the eye of the tiger it's the thrill of the fight
09:53 <Lucifer_arma> it's the eye of the tiger it's the thrill of the fight, rising up to the challenge of our rivals!
09:54 <philippeqc> ;)
09:54 <DrJoeTron> that song lost all greatness for me :/
09:54 <mkzelda> that starbucks commercial killed it
09:54 <Lucifer_arma> that song lost all greatness for me when my balls dropped
09:54 <DrJoeTron> not for me
09:54 <ToddAway> that singer is the dude that does the real men of genius radio ads for budweiser
09:54 <philippeqc> I was hoping to pull a Keanu Reeves in Matrix! So out it be cool again
09:55 <Lucifer_arma> maybe if the guy singing it didn't sound so wussy it wouldn't be so bad
09:55 <DrJoeTron> its the fact that my uncle is the drummer for jim peterik's band before survivor
09:55 <MrBougo> 8 cells, 24 faces, 32 edges, 16 corners
09:55 <philippeqc> its hair rock, you have to sing hi-pitch!
09:55 <DrJoeTron> and since jim peterik wrote it
09:55 <ToddAway> like rush
09:55 <DrJoeTron> he can still sing it :
09:55 <Lucifer_arma> it's not hair rock, it's , er, something else
09:55 <DrJoeTron> fuck you rush is awesome
09:55 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's not even rush
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> rush can sometimes claim to be a hair band
09:56 <philippeqc> ok, half-air rock
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> this is more like Hall and Oates stuff
09:56 <ToddAway> eye of the tiger is arena rock
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> "She's a maniac, maaaniac, and she's a jew"
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> "And she danced just like she never danced befo'!"
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> wait, that's not the song I was thinking of
09:56 <ToddAway> haha
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> not maniac...different m word
09:56 <DrJoeTron> JOCK JAMS 96!
09:56 <ToddAway> you're thinking maneater
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> Maneater, that's it
09:56 <DrJoeTron> GET YOUR COPY TODAY
09:57 <Lucifer_arma> I can't even think of how maneater goes
09:57 <mkzelda> every time jews go away, you take a piece of me with you
09:57 <philippeqc> o o here she comes, watch up boy she'll chew you up...
09:58 <mkzelda> she's got an anteater
09:58 <Lucifer_arma> I've got eye of the tiger stuck in my head now
09:58 <Lucifer_arma> thanks asshat
09:58 <ToddAway> i remember jew
09:58 <MrBougo> looks good http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Enneract_graph.svg
09:58 <philippeqc> your welcome, and yes i reacted on the asshat
09:59 <MrBougo> a 9-dimension hypercube
09:59 <ToddAway> wherever you go, whatever you do, i'll be watching jews
09:59 <ToddAway> err
09:59 <ToddAway> s/jew/you
09:59 <mkzelda> ill be right here waiting for jew
10:00 <philippeqc> billy jean's not my jew, she's just a girl ...
10:00 <mkzelda> Saying I love jew, is not the words i want to hear from jew
10:00 <MrBougo> wtf
10:01 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IpgebOIwmE
10:01 <ToddAway> who jews gonna call?
10:01 <mkzelda> its not that i want jew, but if jew only knew
10:01 <philippeqc> mc zelda, cant guess that one
10:01 <ToddAway> christ busters!
10:01 <philippeqc> jews buster!
10:01 <mkzelda> alright ill make it easy... more than words is all jew have to do to make it real
10:01 <ToddAway> heh
10:02 <mkzelda> i used to play/sing @ open mic nights
10:02 <mkzelda> and i would do a purely raunchy version of that song
10:02 <mkzelda> removing all discretion
10:03 <philippeqc> pump up the jew, pump it up while your feet are jewin', and the jew is pumping
10:03 <mkzelda> haha
10:03 <ToddAway> gonna make jews sweat
10:03 <mkzelda> sweet jews are made of this, jew wouldnt mind to disagree
10:04 <Lucifer_arma> this is the cheesiest video ever
10:04 <ToddAway> metallica?
10:04 <mkzelda> hahaha
10:04 <mkzelda> that reminds me of that one quote, "they sold out in 15 minutes"
10:04 <mkzelda> "ya totally"
10:05 <ToddAway> took that long?
10:05 <mkzelda> "oh you meant for a concert"
10:05 <ToddAway> heh
10:07 <ToddAway> one of these days they're going to crack down on us using their name without express written consent
10:07 <mkzelda> heh
10:07 <ToddAway> we'll have to call them the Mband
10:07 <mkzelda> help me if jew can im feeling down
10:08 <mkzelda> i want to copyright a letter
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njXonaBi_7c&mode=related&search=
10:10 <mkzelda> wow, the video responses
10:11 <mkzelda> u really just want to punch that mackenzie girl in the ovaries
10:11 <mkzelda> and then fuck her dad up too for making her that way
10:12 <mkzelda> she made a video on youtube b/c he got her a car for her bday and it was the wrong color
10:12 <mkzelda> so she sold it for $9.99
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10:15 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLTLbwT5CKc
10:15 <DrJoeTron> this is better
10:15 <DrJoeTron> sorry
10:15 <Lucifer_arma> is that private eyes?
10:16 <mkzelda> bette davis eyes
10:16 <mkzelda> i used to think kim carnes and rod stewart were the same person
10:17 <DrJoeTron> you know what
10:17 <DrJoeTron> i didnt know that holiday road was by Lindsey Buckingham
10:17 <mkzelda> no wai!
10:17 <DrJoeTron> i thought it was some lame house band
10:17 <DrJoeTron> my friend and i were talking about this
10:17 <mkzelda> ill alert teh intarnets
10:18  * Lucifer_arma hurts DrJoeTron (hi there!) 
10:19 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTZLBI-H2kE  <--- is this legit?
10:20 <mkzelda> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cfgeRCsfI0
10:20 <Lucifer_arma> ok, it's not, heh
10:21 <Lucifer_arma> man, watching Dennis DeYoung I just want to slap him
10:22 <mkzelda> as jew can see, im not black, i dont jew drugs and im not on crack
10:24 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0UWT5C5Ch0&mode=related&search=
10:24 <mkzelda> denny blaze
10:24 <mkzelda> he actually got played on vh1
10:26 <mkzelda> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_7Kp_TapA4
10:26 <mkzelda> my name is attached to that one heh
10:29 <mkzelda> i ripped/encoded about 200 music vids '96-2000, its funny to see them pop up on youtube
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11:04 <epsy> ho
11:14 <guru3> I've realized that I now suck pretty badly at tron.
11:14 <epsy> heh
11:17 <guru3> Afterall, being second in the first round in months is hardly acceptable. :/
11:19 <guru3> I feel like I'd do better if it wasn't quite so lag-tastic on my end.
11:19 <epsy> hm
11:20 <guru3> Walls disapearing after I turn and what not are NOT reassuring symptons of connection stability.
11:21 <guru3> That and lag-o-meters that span 1/4 the grid.
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11:33 <guru3> I do fine until the lag-o-meters expand
11:34 <epsy> oO
11:35 <guru3> It's something weird with my connection here. Random lag spikes that don't show up in ping for some reason.
11:35 <guru3> But in other news I'm being trash-talked to.
11:35 <guru3> It's just like the good old days!
11:36 <guru3> I imagine because I'm running straight into walls I must look like a dolt. -_-
11:49 <philippeqc> in a generic, what does the following syntax mean
11:49 <philippeqc> operator T*()
11:49 <philippeqc> and how do I use it
11:50 <philippeqc> from tSafePTR.h
11:51 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: --^
11:55 <epsy> hmm i think i'ill shutdown kk...my clan
11:56 <epsy> this is simply a non-sense
11:56 <epsy> how many players wears that tag ? 2...lol
11:56 <epsy> maybe i'ill lauch it again when it would be really ready...
11:58 <epsy> #armaservers
11:58 <armabot> epsy: disabled
11:58 <epsy> ??
11:58 <epsy> wrtlprnft, ?
12:00 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: it seems to be an overload of the old-school typecast
12:03 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: it is
12:03 <wrtlprnft> sorry, wasn't here, could have told you that
12:03 <wrtlprnft> tXmlParser::node uses it IIRC
12:04 <philippeqc> the compiler agreed, so I went with it
12:04 <philippeqc> ty
12:04 <philippeqc> humm, I'm getting weirder and weirder bugs, but at least it can "play" (note the quotes
12:04 <philippeqc> I get one mega lag-bomb at game start
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12:04 <wrtlprnft> good luck
12:06 <philippeqc> wow, now it complains that user 0 (the server) is trying to cheat
12:07 <wrtlprnft> kick it!
12:07 <philippeqc> hummm, yeah
12:07 <epsy> wrtlprnft, why is armaservers disabled ?
12:09 <wrtlprnft> #armaservers
12:09 <armabot> wrtlprnft: disabled
12:09 <wrtlprnft> dunno
12:14 <wrtlprnft> epsy: http://electricpotential.net/serverrss.php
12:14 <wrtlprnft> disabled until further notice due to software malfunction
12:19 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r7226 /armagetronad/branches/zone-v2-02-shape/armagetronad/src/ (10 files in 3 dirs): Zones are now working agains old server, but not agains itself
12:23 <philippeqc> anybody feel like having a look at my code, I'd be most gratefull
12:23 <philippeqc> the client kicks out the server on the second round because object Id 7 is already in use
12:24 <philippeqc> and there is a mega-lag bomb at game start
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12:26 <slot4> hi
12:27 <philippeqc> hello
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12:36 <epsy> heh
12:43 <eddiefantastic> philippeqc: if you need a server to test anything on I have a vps doing very little
12:44 <wrtlprnft> if you want to test for lag effects i suggest you use aabeta, it rocks at that :)
12:45 <eddiefantastic> hi wrtlprnft 
12:45 <wrtlprnft> hi :)
12:45 <eddiefantastic> you want ladders for cafe? It'll be the old buggy version, but I'll set it up if you like
12:45 <eddiefantastic> I'm lost these days without edlog
12:46 <wrtlprnft> do you have a patch that includes just the edlog and PLAYER_MESSAGE?
12:46 <eddiefantastic> who me? ;)
12:47 <wrtlprnft> I don't want to hack it with all the pigpatch and zone spawning and so on
12:47 <wrtlprnft> yeah, you :)
12:47 <eddiefantastic> no, ctfw does some strange things lately
12:47 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: currently compiling server and client
12:47 <wrtlprnft> what sources does it run?
12:47 <wrtlprnft> can't find them on the server itself
12:48 <eddiefantastic> it's an old one before voodoo restuctured the points system
12:48 <eddiefantastic> I am planning on updating the ladder
12:48 <eddiefantastic> to use the new points system
12:49 <eddiefantastic> Then I can use the zones on a path, which is fantastic feature
12:49 <wrtlprnft> :D
12:49 <eddiefantastic> and there are no sources on the server
12:50 <eddiefantastic> copied the binarys (shame)
12:50 <wrtlprnft> heh :)
12:50 <eddiefantastic> The sources all use the new points system in edlog, means I need to modify the parser first
12:51 <eddiefantastic> Thanks Voodoo ;)
12:52 <wrtlprnft> I'll wait till I start doing anything about a café ladder, then
12:52 <wrtlprnft> but I'm thinking about using the CT database for it and making a combined ladder
12:52 <eddiefantastic> sure
12:54 <eddiefantastic> gtg, kids are away, diy day.
12:54 <eddiefantastic> help
12:55 <wrtlprnft> cya
12:55 <eddiefantastic> I meant /help, I'm new to this
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12:56 <philippeqc> wrt???
12:56 <wrtlprnft> great, can't get it to bootstrap
12:56 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: what do you mean what source it runs?
12:56 <wrtlprnft> configure:1537: error: possibly undefined macro: _AC_SRCPATHS If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow. See the Autoconf documentation.
12:57 <wrtlprnft> was talking to ed, asking what sources CTWF is running
12:57 <philippeqc> o wait
12:58 <philippeqc> coming
12:58 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r7227 /armagetronad/branches/zone-v2-02-shape/armagetronad/accustomdir.m4: Fix to allow compilation on the brach. Was fixed on the trunk
12:58 <philippeqc> I've tested with a square map and a simple zone
12:58 <wrtlprnft> ty
12:58 <philippeqc>    <Zone name="jail">
12:58 <philippeqc>      <ShapeCircle scale="10" rotation="0,0">
12:58 <philippeqc>        <Point x="250" y="250"/>
12:58 <philippeqc>        <Color red="0.8" green="0.27" blue="0.0"/>
12:58 <philippeqc>      </ShapeCircle>
12:58 <philippeqc>      <Leave>
12:58 <philippeqc>        <EffectGroup owners="">
12:58 <philippeqc>          <User user="all">
12:58 <philippeqc>            <Target target="self">
12:58 <philippeqc>              <Effect effect="death"/>
12:58 <philippeqc>            </Target>
12:58 <philippeqc>          </User>
12:59 <philippeqc>        </EffectGroup>
12:59 <philippeqc>      </Leave>
12:59 <philippeqc>    </Zone>
12:59 <philippeqc> in about any map should do it
12:59 <philippeqc> I have to leave now, going to IKEA
12:59 <wrtlprnft> cya
12:59 <philippeqc> cya
13:02 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: a quick tip before I run off the door:
13:02 <philippeqc> a) there is some code still there that has been attempts to handle the 0.2.8 vs 0.3 version problem. Some can be removed
13:03 <philippeqc> b) the current solution is to give the zone a shape by default, and update it if it is in 0.2.8 emulation mode
13:03 <philippeqc> c) in 0.3, the shape should be overwritten by the info in the map (might be the switch from the default shape to the real one that cause the glitch
13:04 <philippeqc> d) the mecanism to turn on and off the emulation of the old behavior is there, but i dont think there is some code that enables/disable it as I could not figure yet in which case it should be
13:05 <philippeqc> e) ATM, only the zZone and the zShape are "game object". The other ones only exist on the server as non-game object. That might cause some ref-counting probs.
13:05 <philippeqc> I hope somewhere there is a bit of info that might help understand the code ;)
13:05 <philippeqc> ok, cya for real now
13:05 <wrtlprnft> cya
13:06 <wrtlprnft> aaa, stop!
13:06 <wrtlprnft> make[3]: *** No rule to make target `engine/eEventNotification.cpp', needed by `libengine_a-eEventNotification.o'.  Stop.
13:06 <wrtlprnft> svn add, please
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13:09 <wrtlprnft> …
13:09 <wrtlprnft> too late i guess :(
13:12 <philippeqc> still here
13:12 <philippeqc> what?
13:12 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: 
13:14 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: its made from the makefile in src, and svn status say my file is not modified
13:15 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't exist here…
13:18 <wrtlprnft> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/zone-v2-02-shape/armagetronad/src/engine/
13:23 <philippeqc> o yes
13:23 <philippeqc> weird!
13:25 <philippeqc> added, commited
13:25 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r7228 /armagetronad/branches/zone-v2-02-shape/armagetronad/src/engine/ (eEventNotification.cpp eEventNotification.h): Mysterious files of unknown origin
13:25 <wrtlprnft> did you modify it? can i copy the version from the trunk?
13:25 <wrtlprnft> nvm
13:25 <epsy> #time
13:25 <armabot> epsy: 01:25 PM, May 20, 2007
13:25 <epsy> hmpf!
13:26 <philippeqc> now there should be no files probs
13:26 <wrtlprnft> no excuses :s
13:26 <wrtlprnft> *no more excuses
13:30 <philippeqc> now I'm physically leaving 
13:30 <philippeqc> cya in a few hours
13:30 <philippeqc> and
13:30 <philippeqc> good luck
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16:00 <MrBougo> wrtlprnft?
16:00 <MrBougo> i'm trying irssi :p
16:00 <MrBougo> how can i list the people on the chan?
16:02 <MrBougo> ok, /names
16:02 <MrBougo> and how can i list the windows in the blue bar? i've seen this on a screenshot
16:04 -!- Irssi: #armagetron: Total of 21 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 21 normal]
16:04 <wrtlprnft> MrBougo: dunno, my list would be quite long
16:07 <MrBougo> lolz okay :)
16:07 <MrBougo> irssi looks good :)
16:07 <MrBougo> but the only problem is the notifications
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16:09 <MrBougo> huh
16:09 <MrBougo> ima buy some Corsair Flash Voyager GT 4 GB
16:09 <MrBougo> i mean one
16:09 <MrBougo> not some
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16:12 <ghableska> #weather 50266
16:12 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 70.3°F (9:10 AM CDT on May 20, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 53.6°F. Pressure: 29.05 in 983.6 hPa (Falling). 
16:12 <ghableska> #tea
16:12 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (12/32): $Åt¶vÂ, (=HMT=)UnKnown, ikono, Monkey, Sithy, yo mama, Zer0, ~*cOw*~, °¯AshitakA, °¯emo, °¯redice, °¯¢÷þx¢ät
16:15 <wrtlprnft> http://www.irssi.org/themes
16:15 <wrtlprnft> MrBougo: the evilkat theme has it, you may wanna analyze that
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16:38 <wrtlprnft> MrBougo: http://f0rked.com/articles/irssi ← see under “Channel Statusbar Using Advanced Windowlist”
17:04 <MrBougo> ty wrtlprnft :)
17:04 <MrBougo> i'm out
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17:51 <epsy> « test of /cycle command » what's that ?
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17:53 -!- Irssi: #armagetron: Total of 20 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 20 normal]
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17:54 <wrtlprnft> gee, there seems to be a limit. The rest was supposed to be: ges in the <reason>
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18:02 <wrtlprnft> lol
18:03 <epsy> ah
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18:03 <wrtlprnft> /names ** is dangerous.
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18:03 <wrtlprnft> try /names **
18:05 <epsy> how it dangerous ?
18:05 <epsy> on a 1000-guys channel ?
18:05 <wrtlprnft> it shows EVERY nick on the server
18:05 <epsy> not here
18:06 <epsy> ony on the channel
18:06 <wrtlprnft> well, here it showed ~30 pages of nicks, then the server kicked me
18:06 <epsy> lol
18:28 <epsy> «System timer resolution is too low
18:28 <epsy> Rosegarden was unable to find a high-resolution timing source for MIDI performance.
18:28 <epsy> This may mean you are using a Linux system with the kernel timer resolution set too low. Please contact your Linux distributor for more information.
18:28 <epsy> »
18:28 <epsy> what does this mean ??
18:33 <wrtlprnft> sec, qemu has a similar warning
18:33 <wrtlprnft> Could not configure '/dev/rtc' to have a 1024 Hz timer. This is not a fatal
18:33 <wrtlprnft> error, but for better emulation accuracy either use a 2.6 host Linux kernel or
18:33 <wrtlprnft> type 'echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq' as root.
18:33 <wrtlprnft> probably got nothing to do with it
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18:35 <Nixda876> hallo
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18:46 <epsy> wrtlprnft, got some time to loose ?
18:48 <epsy> *to waste
18:48 <epsy> :)
19:04 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/AL/basic/SA-1.aamap.xml: Resource by AL
19:17 <wrtlprnft> epsy: how?
19:19 <epsy> a stupid test server
19:19 <wrtlprnft> #serverdetails -v stupid
19:19 <armabot> wrtlprnft: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “stupid” at the moment, sorry.
19:19 <epsy> wait a second
19:20 <epsy> #serverinfo delire
19:20 <armabot> epsy: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “delire” at the moment, sorry.
19:20 <epsy> #serverinfo elire
19:20 <armabot> epsy: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “elire” at the moment, sorry.
19:20 <epsy> well, something called !delire!nodelire
19:31 -!- MrBougo [i=MrBougo@226.21-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #armagetron
19:31 <MrBougo> hello!
19:35 <epsy> hay
19:40 <MrBougo> hoy
19:42 <MrBougo> #serverinfo delire
19:42 <armabot> MrBougo: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “delire” at the moment, sorry.
19:47 <MrBougo> Everybody join the "!delire !nodelire" server, it's from epsy! and it's amazingly fun!
19:47 <MrBougo> :DDDDD
19:52 <epsy> uff the bots are gone -.-
19:52 <epsy> it's playable now :P
19:54 <z-man> Well, so much for the Defcon tournament.
19:55  * z-man got eliminated reaaaaly badly.
19:55 <epsy> heh
19:57 <z-man> I wonder, should I transform Elimination Sumo into Elimination Team Sumo for tonight?
19:58 <epsy> wow i think it will be REALLY  buggy :P
19:58 <epsy> wouldn't it force players instead of teams to spectate ?
19:59 <z-man> I don't know, I'll check how the elimination works. I think it sets TEAMS_MAX, so everything should be fine.
19:59 <epsy> oh
19:59 <epsy> lol
20:00 <epsy> as simple as that ? heh
20:00 <z-man> yep. Wait x rounds, lower TEAMS_MAX. That's all there is to it.
20:01 <epsy> heh, i though it was selectiong players and so
20:01 <z-man> Oh yeah, wrtl noted of one bug that would happen, teams with less players will get eliminated first
20:01 <z-man> so no full team-> you go out first.
20:02 <epsy> uh...
20:02 <z-man> The algorithm that takes care TEAMS_MAX is applied is not designed for elimination tournaments, really.
20:03 <z-man> It tires to keep as many players as possible in the game, so it first tries to eliminate or throw together smaller teams.
20:03 <epsy> i see
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20:13 <ghableska> #weather 50266
20:13 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 80.4°F (1:09 PM CDT on May 20, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 53.6°F. Pressure: 29.01 in 982.3 hPa (Falling). 
20:14 <MrBougo> bye!
20:14 <MrBougo> ghab, why do you use #weather 50266 now? :D
20:14 <ghableska> #ghab
20:14 <ghableska> because that doesn't work?
20:14 <MrBougo> :/
20:14 <ghableska> cya
20:14 <MrBougo> you could set it up again?
20:14 <MrBougo> :p
20:14 <ghableska> nah
20:15 <MrBougo> too easy to change it hehe
20:15 <MrBougo> :D
20:15 <ghableska> :P
20:15 <ghableska> #tea
20:15 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (12/32): $Åt¶vÂ, (=HMT=)UnKnown, ikono, Monkey, Sithy, yo mama, Zer0, ~*cOw*~, °¯AshitakA, °¯emo, °¯redice, °¯¢÷þx¢ät
20:15 <MrBougo> #ghabold
20:15 <ghableska> :P
20:15 <MrBougo> :(
20:15 <ghableska> I got rid of one of them
20:15 <ghableska> I think
20:15 <MrBougo> #echo ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 80.4°F (1:09 PM CDT on May 20, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 53.6°F. Pressure: 29.01 in 982.3 hPa (Falling).
20:15 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 80.4°F (1:09 PM CDT on May 20, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 53.6°F. Pressure: 29.01 in 982.3 hPa (Falling).
20:15 <MrBougo> i'm out
20:15 <ghableska> cu
20:15 <MrBougo> aww 12 players on café
20:15 <MrBougo> :((
20:15 <MrBougo> i should've joined
20:16 <MrBougo> it makes me remember the good ol' cvs test server
20:16 <MrBougo> bye again :p
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20:16 <philippeqc> back
20:17 <epsy> wb
20:17 <ghableska> wb philippeqc 
20:17 <philippeqc> hi
20:27 <epsy> var_export is a very useful function for writing config files in php
20:27 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: spacelobsters, P4, philippeqc, armabot, ToddAway, epsy
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20:30 <ghableska> heh
20:30 <z-man> another netsplit?
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20:42 <epsy> #last --with beta
20:42 <armabot> epsy: [12:44:29] <wrtlprnft> if you want to test for lag effects i suggest you use aabeta, it rocks at that :)
20:42 <epsy> #last --with beta.arma
20:42 <armabot> epsy: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 5278 messages.
20:42 <epsy> #last --with pastebin
20:42 <armabot> epsy: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 5283 messages.
20:42 <epsy> dang
20:42 <epsy> #irclogs
20:43 <epsy> #realchatlogs
20:43 <armabot> epsy: http://master3.armagetronad.net/armalogs/
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21:21 <wrtlprnft> epsy: http://beta.aa.net/~wrtlprnft
21:29 -!- epsy [n=epsy@mar75-4-82-227-65-72.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
21:33 <wrtlprnft> #later tell philippe* sorry, was eating supper. Didn't get too far, I still don't understand how it all works…
21:33 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
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21:49 <wrtlprnft> mysql tables can be full?!
21:54 <wrtlprnft> #g 1+2
21:54 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:54 <wrtlprnft> meh, still doesn't work
22:09 -!- vinavil [n=rain@85-18-66-26.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #armagetron
22:17 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: could you send me café settings please? rain@buio.org
22:17 <ghableska> #tea
22:17 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (12/32): $Åt¶vÂ, (=HMT=)UnKnown, ikono, Monkey, Sithy, yo mama, Zer0, ~*cOw*~, °¯AshitakA, °¯emo, °¯redice, °¯¢÷þx¢ät
22:18 <vinavil> ghableska: ping
22:18 <ghableska> vinavil: pong
22:20 <vinavil> :)
22:21 <ghableska> :P
22:22 <vinavil> i saw belenus playing tonight, ages that i didnt
22:22 <ghableska> wow
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22:36 <Vanhayes> #tea
22:36 <armabot> Vanhayes: Fortress Café: Players (12/32): $Åt¶vÂ, (=HMT=)UnKnown, ikono, Monkey, Sithy, yo mama, Zer0, ~*cOw*~, °¯AshitakA, °¯emo, °¯redice, °¯¢÷þx¢ät
22:39 -!- _Sticky_ [n=Sticky@80-43-71-141.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #armagetron
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22:41 <_Sticky_> #tea
22:41 <armabot> _Sticky_: Fortress Café: Players (12/32): $Åt¶vÂ, (=HMT=)UnKnown, ikono, Monkey, Sithy, yo mama, Zer0, ~*cOw*~, °¯AshitakA, °¯emo, °¯redice, °¯¢÷þx¢ät
22:42 <_Sticky_> #tea
22:42 <armabot> _Sticky_: Fortress Café: Players (12/32): $Åt¶vÂ, (=HMT=)UnKnown, ikono, Monkey, Sithy, yo mama, Zer0, ~*cOw*~, °¯AshitakA, °¯emo, °¯redice, °¯¢÷þx¢ät
22:42 <_Sticky_> what?
22:43 <Vanhayes> that isnt right is it?
22:43 <_Sticky_> no
22:43 <_Sticky_> its empty
22:48 <wrtlprnft> vinavil: they're in /home/armagetronad/cafe/config/settings_custom.cfg on my server
22:50 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: it doesn't update right now
22:50 <wrtlprnft> the database reached its 4GB limit
22:51 <wrtlprnft> i'm increasing that limit right now, but that takes time…
22:51 <Vanhayes> ah, ok
22:51 <Vanhayes> hmm would that affect your servers by anychance?
22:54 <wrtlprnft> no
22:54 <wrtlprnft> it's a different machine
22:54 <wrtlprnft> it affects armabot and master 3
22:54 <mkzelda> have you optimized your tables?
22:55 <wrtlprnft> well, i'm storing a row for each server and minute, each containing its name, description and URI. I guess it could be optimized, but i'm too lazy
22:55 <wrtlprnft> the last OPTIMIZE TABLE has been some time
22:55 <mkzelda> i notice a huge difference when i do it
22:56 <mkzelda> and i thought my 25mb db was big
22:56 <mkzelda> it dropped to 12 on last optimize
22:56 <wrtlprnft> i haven't deleted from that table since the last otimize, though
22:56 <wrtlprnft> and the rows are still about the sam
22:56 <wrtlprnft> e
22:57 <mkzelda> afaik if you add anything new, the new stuff can be optimized to
22:57 <mkzelda> too
22:57 <wrtlprnft> only if the average row length changes
22:58 <wrtlprnft> also, i'm afraid that this command would need even more time
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23:00 <mkzelda> i have a forum that I optimized about 2 weeks ago, theres only been about 10 new posts, and its got 7.3KB that can be optimized... not much but when u scale that from 10 posts to whatever it is you're doing, that could be a great deal
23:00 <wrtlprnft> maybe i'll do it after resizing the pointers
23:01 <wrtlprnft> i won't be able to get around doing that, anyways
23:01 <wrtlprnft> even if i save some 5% of memory, after one or two months I'll hit the same problem
23:02 <wrtlprnft> Note that MySQL locks the table during the time OPTIMIZE TABLE is running.
23:02 <wrtlprnft> that sucks, too
23:03 <mkzelda> yea
23:04 <mkzelda> so cron it for a time of low-usage
23:05 <mkzelda> #tea
23:05 <armabot> mkzelda: Fortress Café: Players (12/32): $Åt¶vÂ, (=HMT=)UnKnown, ikono, Monkey, Sithy, yo mama, Zer0, ~*cOw*~, °¯AshitakA, °¯emo, °¯redice, °¯¢÷þx¢ät
23:05 <mkzelda> its not showing up in my list
23:06 <mkzelda> oh it is, but w/ 0 players
23:13 <wrtlprnft> mkzelda: i generate long term stats based on it, low usage times don't help me
23:13 <wrtlprnft> besides, i expect this to take more than 24 hours
23:14 <_Sticky_> do you now get points for conqoring the zone??
23:16 <wrtlprnft> yeah
23:16 <wrtlprnft> but you get less for winning
23:16 <wrtlprnft> _Sticky_: see http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=175091#175091
23:17 <_Sticky_> yeah just thought the new scheam slightly disadvantages goalies.  however the old one massively advantage goalies
23:18 <wrtlprnft> exactly
23:18 <wrtlprnft> specifically, if there's two goalies left, I want to have a reason for one to attack
23:19 <wrtlprnft> if it was me vs one defender (with me already in attack position) I always found myself tempted to go back and let the other guy attack
23:19 <_Sticky_> i duno ive never seen many situations where neither will attack, useualy its a competition to see who can get on the attack first
23:20 <_Sticky_> there is no reward for making the winning kill is there?
23:21 <wrtlprnft> you still get 6 points for winning
23:21 <wrtlprnft> 6 points for winning by surviving, 10 for winning by taking the base, 4 points for losing but still conquering the base
23:22 <_Sticky_> hmm thats quite good for those situations where you loose by a fraction of a second...still get some reward for your effort
23:22 <wrtlprnft> yep
23:23 <wrtlprnft> as i said in that post, i'm thinking about changing it to 4 points for winning, 6 for getting the base, and re-enabling the winzone
23:24 <_Sticky_> i prefer death zone
23:25 <wrtlprnft> pointless if static, too intrusive into good fights if growing
23:25 <wrtlprnft> plus it breaks compatibility to old clients if it's growing
23:25 <_Sticky_> yeah but win zone ive never seen anoyone happy about people taking it
23:26 <wrtlprnft> if you only get 4 points the defender might actually be happy
23:26 <_Sticky_> personaly i would make a green coloured death zone
23:26 <wrtlprnft> nah
23:27 <_Sticky_> or maby a mystery box zone, 50/50 chance of winning/dieing
23:27 <wrtlprnft> see, if you assume a 50% chance of the attacker winning
23:27 <wrtlprnft> he'll give his team an advantage of 2 points on average
23:28 <wrtlprnft> he can gamble or take the winzone, for an advantage of 4 points
23:29 <_Sticky_> yeah but what pisses people off useualy is a win not based on skill but waiting long enough to get a win zone
23:29 <wrtlprnft> i haven't seen that happen too often
23:30 <_Sticky_> true but thats only due to the fact that almost no regular player will take a winzone
23:30 <wrtlprnft> which is stupid x_X
23:31 <wrtlprnft> what we need is a round end zone
23:31 <_Sticky_> well i prefere not to, id rather beat/lose to someone on skill rather than wait for the sure points
23:32 <wrtlprnft> I'll see what I'll do
23:33 <wrtlprnft> maybe just move both zones to a random location after some time
23:33 <_Sticky_> win zone can be a bit of an encouragement to let the last attacker in and sumo rather than keep up the box,  which is good
23:34 <wrtlprnft> OTOH I don't want to deviate too much from standard fortress settings
23:36 <_Sticky_> i think my no1 request would be to somehow allow kick to spectator for a few rounds so you can explaing grinding
23:37 <_Sticky_> or allow them to start at the side of the map...some way of allowing new guys to take part without being kicked instantly
23:37 <_Sticky_> hmm wonder if you could display a grinding tutorial to people who need it
23:38 <wrtlprnft> the entire voting thing is a pain
23:38 <wrtlprnft> AFAIK the clients can only do kick votes
23:38 <_Sticky_> is that possible?  could you show people a replay with some comentary to deom grinding?
23:39 <_Sticky_> s/deom/demo
23:39 <wrtlprnft> not easily, either
23:40 <_Sticky_> maby ill put that in as a request for the future...kick to spectator
23:41 <wrtlprnft> good idea
23:41 <_Sticky_> cant be that much of a pain to add
23:43 <wrtlprnft> maybe make all kicks kicks to spectator mode, and only if you get kicked again you'll be disconnected
23:43 <wrtlprnft> would be serverside only, at least
23:44 <_Sticky_> is there any ability to redirect people to other servers...ie kick to newbie friendly server
23:45 <_Sticky_> seem to remember other games doing that
23:46 <wrtlprnft> no, would need to be clientside
23:47 <vinavil> is it "message_of_the_day" for opening message entering a server?
23:48 <wrtlprnft> yeah
23:48 <wrtlprnft> on newer clients it gets displayed fullscreen for a set period of time or until the user hits a key
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: you have an intell i810, right?
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23:58 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: yeah

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