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[2026-02-28 01:48:00] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:˚.✦Rx.Luigi✦.˚| for some reason i cant download maps i have to manually download them. it crashes on for example tunnel trouble
[2026-02-28 01:48:00] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:˚.✦Rx.Luigi✦.˚| for some reason i cant download maps i have to manually download them. it crashes on for example tunnel trouble
[2026-02-28 02:11:51] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:dinosareyummy| @_ulul_ ask
[2026-02-28 02:11:51] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:dinosareyummy| @_ulul_ ask
[2026-02-28 05:26:08] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| they are artists, artisinally wielding dead tools
[2026-02-28 05:26:08] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| they are artists, artisinally wielding dead tools
[2026-02-28 05:26:24] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| for art is comprised of technologies that no longer serve the vanguard of productivity
[2026-02-28 05:26:24] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| for art is comprised of technologies that no longer serve the vanguard of productivity
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[2026-02-28 06:57:54] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| dead tools you say
[2026-02-28 06:57:54] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| dead tools you say
[2026-02-28 06:57:55] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| https://metr.org/blog/2025-07-10-early-2025-ai-experienced-os-dev-study/
[2026-02-28 06:57:55] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| https://metr.org/blog/2025-07-10-early-2025-ai-experienced-os-dev-study/
[2026-02-28 06:58:30] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| productivity? gone.
[2026-02-28 06:58:30] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| productivity? gone.
[2026-02-28 06:58:31] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| morality? gone.
[2026-02-28 06:58:31] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| morality? gone.
[2026-02-28 06:58:32] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| ethics? gone.
[2026-02-28 06:58:32] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| ethics? gone.
[2026-02-28 06:58:33] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| humanity? gone.
[2026-02-28 06:58:33] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| humanity? gone.
[2026-02-28 06:58:58] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| dead tools i said yes
[2026-02-28 06:58:58] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| dead tools i said yes
[2026-02-28 07:00:06] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| last night i built an agent into RCL
[2026-02-28 07:00:06] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| last night i built an agent into RCL
[2026-02-28 07:00:09] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| btw, linux adoption doubled between 2022 and 2025
[2026-02-28 07:00:09] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| btw, linux adoption doubled between 2022 and 2025
[2026-02-28 07:00:23] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| admittedly, still under 5% buuuut
[2026-02-28 07:00:23] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| admittedly, still under 5% buuuut
[2026-02-28 07:00:34] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this is obvious?
[2026-02-28 07:00:34] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this is obvious?
[2026-02-28 07:00:50] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| linux desktop is way easier when you don’t have to feel like you’re defusing a bomb just to fix the wifi
[2026-02-28 07:00:51] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| linux desktop is way easier when you don’t have to feel like you’re defusing a bomb just to fix the wifi
[2026-02-28 07:01:21] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| AI has enabled desktop linux usage to proliferate
[2026-02-28 07:01:21] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| AI has enabled desktop linux usage to proliferate
[2026-02-28 07:01:25] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Maybe, but we also have things like "GendBuntu" which is the french gendarmarie's literal fork
[2026-02-28 07:01:25] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Maybe, but we also have things like "GendBuntu" which is the french gendarmarie's literal fork
[2026-02-28 07:01:41] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| no LLMs used
[2026-02-28 07:01:41] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| no LLMs used
[2026-02-28 07:01:58] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| the french are... less accepting of LLMs in government than other nations
[2026-02-28 07:01:59] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| the french are... less accepting of LLMs in government than other nations
[2026-02-28 07:02:32] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Except they have the largest open source AI developer in europe in their jurisdiction
[2026-02-28 07:02:32] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Except they have the largest open source AI developer in europe in their jurisdiction
[2026-02-28 07:03:05] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| speaking of complexity, KDE has been roughly Plasma-shaped for over ten years now. It's what I'd consider a very close analogue to the windows gui
[2026-02-28 07:03:05] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| speaking of complexity, KDE has been roughly Plasma-shaped for over ten years now. It's what I'd consider a very close analogue to the windows gui
[2026-02-28 07:03:05] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| https://mistral.ai/fr
[2026-02-28 07:03:06] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| https://mistral.ai/fr
[2026-02-28 07:03:24] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| private industry =/= government
[2026-02-28 07:03:24] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| private industry =/= government
[2026-02-28 07:04:01] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| have you been watching the news this week?
[2026-02-28 07:04:02] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| have you been watching the news this week?
[2026-02-28 07:04:09] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| anyway, KDE has been this way for so long now that I don't think it's anything other than misguided brand loyalty that keeps people on windows
[2026-02-28 07:04:09] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| anyway, KDE has been this way for so long now that I don't think it's anything other than misguided brand loyalty that keeps people on windows
[2026-02-28 07:04:27] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| anthropic supply chain risk
[2026-02-28 07:04:27] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| anthropic supply chain risk
[2026-02-28 07:04:28] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| actually no, tried to look at less news of late. Mental health and allthat
[2026-02-28 07:04:28] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| actually no, tried to look at less news of late. Mental health and allthat
[2026-02-28 07:04:33] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Oh I heard that one
[2026-02-28 07:04:33] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Oh I heard that one
[2026-02-28 07:04:39] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| now openai inside gov
[2026-02-28 07:04:39] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| now openai inside gov
[2026-02-28 07:04:44] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| usgov needs eliminating
[2026-02-28 07:04:44] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| usgov needs eliminating
[2026-02-28 07:04:51] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| xd
[2026-02-28 07:04:51] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| xd
[2026-02-28 07:04:53] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| anyway
[2026-02-28 07:04:53] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| anyway
[2026-02-28 07:04:56] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1477275376790016094/image.png?ex=69a42b68&is=69a2d9e8&hm=41c28f3cd3ece4342e51f606e28510aa078f43640e5170b7b7c628d27a062e30&
[2026-02-28 07:04:56] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1477275376790016094/image.png?ex=69a42b68&is=69a2d9e8&hm=41c28f3cd3ece4342e51f606e28510aa078f43640e5170b7b7c628d27a062e30&
[2026-02-28 07:05:06] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i built this into RCL last night after a little intoxication
[2026-02-28 07:05:06] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i built this into RCL last night after a little intoxication
[2026-02-28 07:05:18] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| it does strike me as concerning that a government is trying to pressure a company to *relax* it's ethical stance.
[2026-02-28 07:05:18] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| it does strike me as concerning that a government is trying to pressure a company to *relax* it's ethical stance.
[2026-02-28 07:05:23] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| the capabilities exhibited now are frankly frightening
[2026-02-28 07:05:23] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| the capabilities exhibited now are frankly frightening
[2026-02-28 07:05:26] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| also
[2026-02-28 07:05:27] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| also
[2026-02-28 07:05:29] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| https://translations.syn.gl/
[2026-02-28 07:05:29] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| https://translations.syn.gl/
[2026-02-28 07:05:35] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| did you see this i’ve been working on?
[2026-02-28 07:05:35] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| did you see this i’ve been working on?
[2026-02-28 07:05:49] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I vaguely remember you mentioning it yes
[2026-02-28 07:05:49] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I vaguely remember you mentioning it yes
[2026-02-28 07:05:54] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| translated a couple enlightenment era docs i’ve been fascinated with
[2026-02-28 07:05:54] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| translated a couple enlightenment era docs i’ve been fascinated with
[2026-02-28 07:06:03] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| man the language used here is scintillating
[2026-02-28 07:06:03] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| man the language used here is scintillating
[2026-02-28 07:06:04] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| sorry, I've been a bit out of sorts. Some... *complex* helath stuff going on
[2026-02-28 07:06:04] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| sorry, I've been a bit out of sorts. Some... *complex* helath stuff going on
[2026-02-28 07:06:12] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| You’re good. I hope you’re well.
[2026-02-28 07:06:12] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| You’re good. I hope you’re well.
[2026-02-28 07:06:16] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| what manuscripts? The chinese stuff you're so into?
[2026-02-28 07:06:16] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| what manuscripts? The chinese stuff you're so into?
[2026-02-28 07:06:37] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| No like journals on Blaise Pascals pascaline
[2026-02-28 07:06:37] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| No like journals on Blaise Pascals pascaline
[2026-02-28 07:06:42] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| and Mullers difference engine
[2026-02-28 07:06:42] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| and Mullers difference engine
[2026-02-28 07:06:46] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| history of computing stuff
[2026-02-28 07:06:46] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| history of computing stuff
[2026-02-28 07:06:53] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| french german latin
[2026-02-28 07:06:53] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| french german latin
[2026-02-28 07:07:09] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| they read like advertisements to the future
[2026-02-28 07:07:09] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| they read like advertisements to the future
[2026-02-28 07:07:24] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I feel embararssed to say I was unaware of the Pascaline
[2026-02-28 07:07:24] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I feel embararssed to say I was unaware of the Pascaline
[2026-02-28 07:07:33] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Babbage yes, Pascaline no
[2026-02-28 07:07:33] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Babbage yes, Pascaline no
[2026-02-28 07:07:51] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Its more of a collectors item than seen in the wider history of computing conversation
[2026-02-28 07:07:51] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Its more of a collectors item than seen in the wider history of computing conversation
[2026-02-28 07:07:57] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but still very relevant
[2026-02-28 07:07:57] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but still very relevant
[2026-02-28 07:08:17] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| mechanical calculators are very much the precursor to modern day computing in a sense
[2026-02-28 07:08:17] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| mechanical calculators are very much the precursor to modern day computing in a sense
[2026-02-28 07:08:52] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I’m in love with the way they so passionately prescribe the construction
[2026-02-28 07:08:52] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I’m in love with the way they so passionately prescribe the construction
[2026-02-28 07:09:02] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| naturally like today the theorists were detached from the builders
[2026-02-28 07:09:02] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| naturally like today the theorists were detached from the builders
[2026-02-28 07:09:05] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| speaking of, I read an article the other week about a computer that was designed in tertiary rather than binary struct
[2026-02-28 07:09:05] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| speaking of, I read an article the other week about a computer that was designed in tertiary rather than binary struct
[2026-02-28 07:09:21] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| so the scientists had to collect funding and influence and all sorts of stuffs
[2026-02-28 07:09:21] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| so the scientists had to collect funding and influence and all sorts of stuffs
[2026-02-28 07:09:39] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| babbages analytical engine was based on these journals written over 100 years before
[2026-02-28 07:09:40] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| babbages analytical engine was based on these journals written over 100 years before
[2026-02-28 07:09:42] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I've been toying with that idea for years. Not hard to create something based on off/lo/hi
[2026-02-28 07:09:42] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I've been toying with that idea for years. Not hard to create something based on off/lo/hi
[2026-02-28 07:10:10] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| apparently its more mathematically efficient too
[2026-02-28 07:10:10] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| apparently its more mathematically efficient too
[2026-02-28 07:10:14] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| what i’m saying is that technologists since the enlightenment have had to deal with the public saying “how is this useful”
[2026-02-28 07:10:14] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| what i’m saying is that technologists since the enlightenment have had to deal with the public saying “how is this useful”
[2026-02-28 07:10:20] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| not that I would know, I'm hardly a mathematician
[2026-02-28 07:10:20] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| not that I would know, I'm hardly a mathematician
[2026-02-28 07:10:30] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this echoes conversations i have nearly everyday around the efficacy and usefulness of AI systems
[2026-02-28 07:10:30] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this echoes conversations i have nearly everyday around the efficacy and usefulness of AI systems
[2026-02-28 07:10:50] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| those who stand against progress will find themselves on the wrong side of history. I know it.
[2026-02-28 07:10:50] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| those who stand against progress will find themselves on the wrong side of history. I know it.
[2026-02-28 07:10:58] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Sure, but in this case we're starting to see that in many senses, the so-called efficiency is actually a mirage
[2026-02-28 07:10:58] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Sure, but in this case we're starting to see that in many senses, the so-called efficiency is actually a mirage
[2026-02-28 07:11:11] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| not that it doesn't increase access to theory and such
[2026-02-28 07:11:11] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| not that it doesn't increase access to theory and such
[2026-02-28 07:11:18] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| At least whilst their complaints are emotional and of the senses rather than grounded in logic and reason
[2026-02-28 07:11:18] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| At least whilst their complaints are emotional and of the senses rather than grounded in logic and reason
[2026-02-28 07:11:47] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Is not the argument of increased efficiency also an emotional one?
[2026-02-28 07:11:47] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Is not the argument of increased efficiency also an emotional one?
[2026-02-28 07:12:14] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| It can be if you deny the epistemic groundings on which our knowledge generally sits
[2026-02-28 07:12:14] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| It can be if you deny the epistemic groundings on which our knowledge generally sits
[2026-02-28 07:12:26] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| like the pascaline was introduced to help Pascals father with tax calculations
[2026-02-28 07:12:26] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| like the pascaline was introduced to help Pascals father with tax calculations
[2026-02-28 07:12:47] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this isn’t emotional, the speed increase can be very much measured (alongside the fathers ability to spend time/effort elsewhere)
[2026-02-28 07:12:47] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this isn’t emotional, the speed increase can be very much measured (alongside the fathers ability to spend time/effort elsewhere)
[2026-02-28 07:13:37] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| no no, you misunderstand. Is not the argument of increased efficiency and argument that efficiency should be sought out at all costs by merit of implication>
[2026-02-28 07:13:37] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| no no, you misunderstand. Is not the argument of increased efficiency and argument that efficiency should be sought out at all costs by merit of implication>
[2026-02-28 07:13:54] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| my stand against ai is not emotional, it's grounded in the same sensibilities as why you should not find answers in the library of Babel
[2026-02-28 07:13:54] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| my stand against ai is not emotional, it's grounded in the same sensibilities as why you should not find answers in the library of Babel
[2026-02-28 07:14:18] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I don’t misunderstand. I’m saying the will to progress has been underlined by generations before us
[2026-02-28 07:14:18] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I don’t misunderstand. I’m saying the will to progress has been underlined by generations before us
[2026-02-28 07:14:33] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| By Pascal, Muller, all other enlightenment era thinkers
[2026-02-28 07:14:33] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| By Pascal, Muller, all other enlightenment era thinkers
[2026-02-28 07:14:53] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| by presenting efficiency as a goal, you're presenting efficiency as a positive irrespective of source. I would posit that all things must be in balance, and whilst efficiency is not a net negative, it must be considered carefully in conjunction with the value of functional learning
[2026-02-28 07:14:53] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| by presenting efficiency as a goal, you're presenting efficiency as a positive irrespective of source. I would posit that all things must be in balance, and whilst efficiency is not a net negative, it must be considered carefully in conjunction with the value of functional learning
[2026-02-28 07:14:55] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| The writers who have already done the work “please don’t mistake this for anything but sincere progress, this is not art”
[2026-02-28 07:14:55] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| The writers who have already done the work “please don’t mistake this for anything but sincere progress, this is not art”
[2026-02-28 07:15:07] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| yes of course this is the enlightenment more generally
[2026-02-28 07:15:07] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| yes of course this is the enlightenment more generally
[2026-02-28 07:15:12] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| our connection to the divine is internal
[2026-02-28 07:15:12] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| our connection to the divine is internal
[2026-02-28 07:15:17] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this is done
[2026-02-28 07:15:17] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this is done
[2026-02-28 07:15:39] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it’s a sincere waste of time to rehash what legendary thinkers have proven and can still be proven with the very same works they created
[2026-02-28 07:15:40] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it’s a sincere waste of time to rehash what legendary thinkers have proven and can still be proven with the very same works they created
[2026-02-28 07:15:57] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| > I’m saying the will to progress 
[2026-02-28 07:15:57] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| > I’m saying the will to progress 
[2026-02-28 07:15:58] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| And here, you're presenting LLMs as progress. Your implied argument is as relevant as your direct, because I oppose both of those precis
[2026-02-28 07:15:59] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| And here, you're presenting LLMs as progress. Your implied argument is as relevant as your direct, because I oppose both of those precis
[2026-02-28 07:16:03] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| No
[2026-02-28 07:16:03] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| No
[2026-02-28 07:16:08] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I don’t care about LLMs
[2026-02-28 07:16:08] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I don’t care about LLMs
[2026-02-28 07:16:11] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this is the wider point
[2026-02-28 07:16:11] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this is the wider point
[2026-02-28 07:16:17] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I care about not being attached to tools
[2026-02-28 07:16:18] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I care about not being attached to tools
[2026-02-28 07:16:23] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| i.e., I would argue that a learning model, in the fashion that we have at present, is a step *backwards*
[2026-02-28 07:16:23] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| i.e., I would argue that a learning model, in the fashion that we have at present, is a step *backwards*
[2026-02-28 07:16:35] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| by letting their works do the thinking for you, you rob yourself of practice and progress of your own merit
[2026-02-28 07:16:35] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| by letting their works do the thinking for you, you rob yourself of practice and progress of your own merit
[2026-02-28 07:16:35] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Use whatever you can get your hands on to prove the systems you want
[2026-02-28 07:16:35] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Use whatever you can get your hands on to prove the systems you want
[2026-02-28 07:16:46] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Do you know how old this argument is frosti?
[2026-02-28 07:16:46] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Do you know how old this argument is frosti?
[2026-02-28 07:17:20] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| do i care how old it is? argue in a public forum and people will play along
[2026-02-28 07:17:20] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| do i care how old it is? argue in a public forum and people will play along
[2026-02-28 07:17:21] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Do you think the progenitors of the computer should have stopped in their progress, since they would be losing proficiency in the abacus?
[2026-02-28 07:17:21] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Do you think the progenitors of the computer should have stopped in their progress, since they would be losing proficiency in the abacus?
[2026-02-28 07:17:46] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Surely nothing new can come from the mechanical computer. The numbers are the same!
[2026-02-28 07:17:47] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Surely nothing new can come from the mechanical computer. The numbers are the same!
[2026-02-28 07:17:49] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I very much prefer a lineage. As in, I start with a mallet, and end up with a ball-peen. You can see a clear definition of the process between the two.
[2026-02-28 07:17:49] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I very much prefer a lineage. As in, I start with a mallet, and end up with a ball-peen. You can see a clear definition of the process between the two.
[2026-02-28 07:17:49] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I suppose what I'm saying is, "look back, so you can see how far you have come, and thus know where to go next"
[2026-02-28 07:17:49] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I suppose what I'm saying is, "look back, so you can see how far you have come, and thus know where to go next"
[2026-02-28 07:17:56] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| How can new information come from the same numbers?
[2026-02-28 07:17:56] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| How can new information come from the same numbers?
[2026-02-28 07:18:25] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Indeed. This is what i’m doing, and why I feel compelled to share this so often
[2026-02-28 07:18:26] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Indeed. This is what i’m doing, and why I feel compelled to share this so often
[2026-02-28 07:18:31] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| People don’t even know where we came from
[2026-02-28 07:18:31] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| People don’t even know where we came from
[2026-02-28 07:18:35] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| anyway, rice cooker dinged. brb, food
[2026-02-28 07:18:35] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| anyway, rice cooker dinged. brb, food
[2026-02-28 07:18:46] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| They don’t know we rediscovered Plato through arabic translations
[2026-02-28 07:18:46] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| They don’t know we rediscovered Plato through arabic translations
[2026-02-28 07:18:51] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| i wouldn't be so comfortable as a developer had i not learned the foundations of mathematics that my work is built on. Don't think i let my "abicus" skills slip just because i have access to cool technology
[2026-02-28 07:18:51] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| i wouldn't be so comfortable as a developer had i not learned the foundations of mathematics that my work is built on. Don't think i let my "abicus" skills slip just because i have access to cool technology
[2026-02-28 07:18:58] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| The whole lineage of progress is… politicised awfully
[2026-02-28 07:18:58] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| The whole lineage of progress is… politicised awfully
[2026-02-28 07:19:29] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| You see yourself as a developer
[2026-02-28 07:19:29] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| You see yourself as a developer
[2026-02-28 07:19:33] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| This label biases you to tools
[2026-02-28 07:19:33] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| This label biases you to tools
[2026-02-28 07:19:47] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| What if you were simply a creator? An inventor? A builder?
[2026-02-28 07:19:47] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| What if you were simply a creator? An inventor? A builder?
[2026-02-28 07:20:05] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| I would use different tools and study different fundamentals
[2026-02-28 07:20:05] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| I would use different tools and study different fundamentals
[2026-02-28 07:20:56] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| And if I called myself a prompter I would use LLMs, Diffusion, and study NO fundamentals
[2026-02-28 07:20:57] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| And if I called myself a prompter I would use LLMs, Diffusion, and study NO fundamentals
[2026-02-28 07:21:14] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| Name one AI chud who actually cares about understanding the technology before them
[2026-02-28 07:21:14] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| Name one AI chud who actually cares about understanding the technology before them
[2026-02-28 07:21:20] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Me
[2026-02-28 07:21:20] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Me
[2026-02-28 07:21:38] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Deride me all you like
[2026-02-28 07:21:38] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Deride me all you like
[2026-02-28 07:23:54] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| I won't deride you, but I will mention that anything you don't perform with your own brain doesn't get learned and remembered.
[2026-02-28 07:23:54] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| I won't deride you, but I will mention that anything you don't perform with your own brain doesn't get learned and remembered.
[2026-02-28 07:23:54] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| Even when copying code from the Internet pre AI days, I would always type it by hand. Never copy and paste
[2026-02-28 07:23:54] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| Even when copying code from the Internet pre AI days, I would always type it by hand. Never copy and paste
[2026-02-28 07:23:55] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| I'm sure that fact is only tangential to your argument, but it highlights why I dislike having my thoughts thunked for me
[2026-02-28 07:23:56] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| I'm sure that fact is only tangential to your argument, but it highlights why I dislike having my thoughts thunked for me
[2026-02-28 07:24:14] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Abstraction is the point of progress
[2026-02-28 07:24:14] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Abstraction is the point of progress
[2026-02-28 07:24:39] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I never learned how to translate UTF8 into binary until way after how strings work
[2026-02-28 07:24:39] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I never learned how to translate UTF8 into binary until way after how strings work
[2026-02-28 07:24:42] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| how does that work?
[2026-02-28 07:24:43] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| how does that work?
[2026-02-28 07:24:58] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| My goal is personal progress, where the point is not abstraction but in fact it is personal excellence
[2026-02-28 07:24:58] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| My goal is personal progress, where the point is not abstraction but in fact it is personal excellence
[2026-02-28 07:24:59] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| How can I understand what a string is without understanding binary representation?
[2026-02-28 07:24:59] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| How can I understand what a string is without understanding binary representation?
[2026-02-28 07:25:14] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| This is the argument of the sensual desire
[2026-02-28 07:25:14] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| This is the argument of the sensual desire
[2026-02-28 07:25:26] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| You cast aside the progress for civilisation generally in favour of personal gains
[2026-02-28 07:25:26] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| You cast aside the progress for civilisation generally in favour of personal gains
[2026-02-28 07:25:32] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| This is not my style.
[2026-02-28 07:25:32] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| This is not my style.
[2026-02-28 07:26:00] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Everyone deserves to be able to create
[2026-02-28 07:26:01] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Everyone deserves to be able to create
[2026-02-28 07:27:14] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| If society resets, we need people like me to rebuild. If it doesn't, we need people like you to progress.
[2026-02-28 07:27:14] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| If society resets, we need people like me to rebuild. If it doesn't, we need people like you to progress.
[2026-02-28 07:27:15] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| But  no, not everyone deserves to create. Such permission (it is permission, not a right) is granted only to those who are willing to put in the effort to learn
[2026-02-28 07:27:15] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| But  no, not everyone deserves to create. Such permission (it is permission, not a right) is granted only to those who are willing to put in the effort to learn
[2026-02-28 07:27:48] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Inventions that are not yet known always have more Critics than Supporters: Those who have discovered them are blamed, because people do not have a perfect understanding of them, and by an unjust prejudice, the difficulty that one imagines in extraordinary things, causes one, instead of considering them in order to esteem them, to accuse them of impossibility, so as to reject the <clipped message>
[2026-02-28 07:27:48] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Inventions that are not yet known always have more Critics than Supporters: Those who have discovered them are blamed, because people do not have a perfect understanding of them, and by an unjust prejudice, the difficulty that one imagines in extraordinary things, causes one, instead of considering them in order to esteem them, to accuse them of impossibility, so as to reject the <clipped message>
[2026-02-28 07:27:48] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| m afterwards as impertinent.
[2026-02-28 07:27:48] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| m afterwards as impertinent.
[2026-02-28 07:28:06] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| This was written nearly 400 years ago
[2026-02-28 07:28:06] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| This was written nearly 400 years ago
[2026-02-28 07:28:23] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| It’s just insane to me we still have versions of this conversation now all these generations later
[2026-02-28 07:28:23] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| It’s just insane to me we still have versions of this conversation now all these generations later
[2026-02-28 07:28:34] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| I was not a critic of AI until I used it and realized what it took from me (and also that it's only half baked)
[2026-02-28 07:28:34] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| I was not a critic of AI until I used it and realized what it took from me (and also that it's only half baked)
[2026-02-28 07:28:34] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I am sure they would have hoped to have been convincing by now
[2026-02-28 07:28:35] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I am sure they would have hoped to have been convincing by now
[2026-02-28 07:28:49] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| It took nothing from you
[2026-02-28 07:28:49] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| It took nothing from you
[2026-02-28 07:28:53] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| so sayeth both sides if the argument
[2026-02-28 07:28:53] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| so sayeth both sides if the argument
[2026-02-28 07:28:59] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| It’s only possible of this if your internal value was attached to the tools
[2026-02-28 07:28:59] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| It’s only possible of this if your internal value was attached to the tools
[2026-02-28 07:29:06] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| This as i’ve said is a fundamental mistake
[2026-02-28 07:29:06] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| This as i’ve said is a fundamental mistake
[2026-02-28 07:29:20] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| It was never about the programming languages
[2026-02-28 07:29:20] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| It was never about the programming languages
[2026-02-28 07:29:26] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Or the unix shell
[2026-02-28 07:29:26] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Or the unix shell
[2026-02-28 07:29:41] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| No, my Internal value is attached to my ability to recreate the tools from scratch and only then is it based on my proficiency with such tools
[2026-02-28 07:29:41] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| No, my Internal value is attached to my ability to recreate the tools from scratch and only then is it based on my proficiency with such tools
[2026-02-28 07:29:49] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Oh what
[2026-02-28 07:29:50] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Oh what
[2026-02-28 07:29:58] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| You think you can recreate the tools from scratch?
[2026-02-28 07:29:58] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| You think you can recreate the tools from scratch?
[2026-02-28 07:30:08] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| Not quite! But I'm working on it
[2026-02-28 07:30:08] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| Not quite! But I'm working on it
[2026-02-28 07:30:09] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| You’re not standing on the shoulders of giants?
[2026-02-28 07:30:09] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| You’re not standing on the shoulders of giants?
[2026-02-28 07:30:20] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| My compiler is almost working
[2026-02-28 07:30:20] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| My compiler is almost working
[2026-02-28 07:30:26] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| https://dlang.org/
[2026-02-28 07:30:26] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| https://dlang.org/
[2026-02-28 07:30:43] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| This is some level of ego I can’t interface with
[2026-02-28 07:30:43] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| This is some level of ego I can’t interface with
[2026-02-28 07:30:55] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| It's Turtles all the way down buddy hahaha
[2026-02-28 07:30:55] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| It's Turtles all the way down buddy hahaha
[2026-02-28 07:30:59] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| The history point is to underline that *nobody* works alone
[2026-02-28 07:30:59] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| The history point is to underline that *nobody* works alone
[2026-02-28 07:31:02] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| If someone can do it, I can too
[2026-02-28 07:31:02] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| If someone can do it, I can too
[2026-02-28 07:31:36] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| D Lang was created by one dude who wanted an open-source C-syntax language with java-like structure
[2026-02-28 07:31:36] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| D Lang was created by one dude who wanted an open-source C-syntax language with java-like structure
[2026-02-28 07:32:47] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| After my compiler is working, I might make a toy operating system (but then I will go back to unix because there's a difference between making something for practice and spending years working on it for production quality, and once I'm confident I can do it, I am happy to climb onto the shoulders of giants once again)
[2026-02-28 07:32:47] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| After my compiler is working, I might make a toy operating system (but then I will go back to unix because there's a difference between making something for practice and spending years working on it for production quality, and once I'm confident I can do it, I am happy to climb onto the shoulders of giants once again)
[2026-02-28 07:33:55] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| “I can do it all myself but only with these very specific tools that i was given”
[2026-02-28 07:33:55] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| “I can do it all myself but only with these very specific tools that i was given”
[2026-02-28 07:34:00] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| xd
[2026-02-28 07:34:00] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| xd
[2026-02-28 07:35:14] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| You could take that argument up several levels. You're dependent on teh operating system, on the embedded code underneath it, on the computer architecture, on the concept of binary language itself, on base-10, and so on
[2026-02-28 07:35:14] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| You could take that argument up several levels. You're dependent on teh operating system, on the embedded code underneath it, on the computer architecture, on the concept of binary language itself, on base-10, and so on
[2026-02-28 07:35:22] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| And while I don't expect everyone to be as insane as me, I do see a fundamental difference between skilled tradesmen who value the same personal growth as I do, and people who think they are entitled to excellent personal output because an AI can do it for them
[2026-02-28 07:35:22] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| And while I don't expect everyone to be as insane as me, I do see a fundamental difference between skilled tradesmen who value the same personal growth as I do, and people who think they are entitled to excellent personal output because an AI can do it for them
[2026-02-28 07:35:26] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| that’s my point
[2026-02-28 07:35:26] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| that’s my point
[2026-02-28 07:35:57] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| well, no, I'm arguing that your point is redundant, because at any stage you're going to be dependent on tools made by those who came before you
[2026-02-28 07:35:57] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| well, no, I'm arguing that your point is redundant, because at any stage you're going to be dependent on tools made by those who came before you
[2026-02-28 07:36:10] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| It’s not redundant, it’s imperative
[2026-02-28 07:36:10] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| It’s not redundant, it’s imperative
[2026-02-28 07:36:38] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| ego festers here exactly
[2026-02-28 07:36:38] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| ego festers here exactly
[2026-02-28 07:36:48] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| And your point is only tangential to mine, because it doesn't matter to me where someone draws the line, as long as their personal goals include study and improvement
[2026-02-28 07:36:48] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| And your point is only tangential to mine, because it doesn't matter to me where someone draws the line, as long as their personal goals include study and improvement
[2026-02-28 07:36:50] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| where ignorance fills the space of “who made this possible” with “me”
[2026-02-28 07:36:50] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| where ignorance fills the space of “who made this possible” with “me”
[2026-02-28 07:37:03] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| frosti you need to go to the congo to assist with mining the copper to make your motherboard before you faf around with compilers
[2026-02-28 07:37:03] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| frosti you need to go to the congo to assist with mining the copper to make your motherboard before you faf around with compilers
[2026-02-28 07:37:39] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| I'm too poor haha
[2026-02-28 07:37:39] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| I'm too poor haha
[2026-02-28 07:37:40] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| Maybe if I was born in an older generation... my personal beliefs would point me in that direction
[2026-02-28 07:37:40] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| Maybe if I was born in an older generation... my personal beliefs would point me in that direction
[2026-02-28 07:37:44] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| for sure
[2026-02-28 07:37:44] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| for sure
[2026-02-28 07:37:50] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| damn copper miners already using AI to analyse deposits at scale easier
[2026-02-28 07:37:50] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| damn copper miners already using AI to analyse deposits at scale easier
[2026-02-28 07:39:12] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| My hatred for AI is aimed solely at the aforementioned people who believe they are entitled to excellent personal output without putting in the effort to achieve personal excellence
[2026-02-28 07:39:12] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| My hatred for AI is aimed solely at the aforementioned people who believe they are entitled to excellent personal output without putting in the effort to achieve personal excellence
[2026-02-28 07:39:27] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| It has nothing to do with the technology or application thereof
[2026-02-28 07:39:27] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| It has nothing to do with the technology or application thereof
[2026-02-28 07:39:28] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| you’ve made up demons to be mad at
[2026-02-28 07:39:28] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| you’ve made up demons to be mad at
[2026-02-28 07:39:31] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| and i don’t know why
[2026-02-28 07:39:31] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| and i don’t know why
[2026-02-28 07:39:49] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| is it because of the hours you’ve invested into your tools?
[2026-02-28 07:39:50] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| is it because of the hours you’ve invested into your tools?
[2026-02-28 07:39:58] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| do you feel like they are taking shortcuts?
[2026-02-28 07:39:58] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| do you feel like they are taking shortcuts?
[2026-02-28 07:40:11] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| because if so this is the progress via abstraction point
[2026-02-28 07:40:11] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| because if so this is the progress via abstraction point
[2026-02-28 07:40:15] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| No, no, not demons. A few of my friends who claimed "look im an artist too" and I'm like "no hun, you're not any more skilled than a commissioner
[2026-02-28 07:40:15] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| No, no, not demons. A few of my friends who claimed "look im an artist too" and I'm like "no hun, you're not any more skilled than a commissioner
[2026-02-28 07:40:34] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Who made you the arbiter of the quality of art?
[2026-02-28 07:40:34] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Who made you the arbiter of the quality of art?
[2026-02-28 07:41:04] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| is a commissioner not an artist?
[2026-02-28 07:41:04] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| is a commissioner not an artist?
[2026-02-28 07:41:08] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| The quality was tolerable, but my friend isn't the one who drew it so determining it's quality doesn't determine his skill level
[2026-02-28 07:41:08] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| The quality was tolerable, but my friend isn't the one who drew it so determining it's quality doesn't determine his skill level
[2026-02-28 07:41:17] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| they are absolutely not
[2026-02-28 07:41:18] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| they are absolutely not
[2026-02-28 07:41:35] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| why is this label important to you?
[2026-02-28 07:41:35] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| why is this label important to you?
[2026-02-28 07:41:40] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| what qualifies an artist
[2026-02-28 07:41:40] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| what qualifies an artist
[2026-02-28 07:41:57] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| Someone (or thing, I guess) who makes art is an artist
[2026-02-28 07:41:57] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| Someone (or thing, I guess) who makes art is an artist
[2026-02-28 07:42:01] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| indeed skill with the keyboard is different to skill with the pencil
[2026-02-28 07:42:01] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| indeed skill with the keyboard is different to skill with the pencil
[2026-02-28 07:42:02] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| When I look at art, the skill of the creator is as important to me as the choice of muse
[2026-02-28 07:42:02] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| When I look at art, the skill of the creator is as important to me as the choice of muse
[2026-02-28 07:42:26] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this is nonsense, skill is in the eye of the beholder
[2026-02-28 07:42:26] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this is nonsense, skill is in the eye of the beholder
[2026-02-28 07:42:36] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| one can be masterful with a pencil and produce no idea of interest
[2026-02-28 07:42:36] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| one can be masterful with a pencil and produce no idea of interest
[2026-02-28 07:42:42] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| It is individual skill that provides the level of complexity and variety that is the substance of art
[2026-02-28 07:42:42] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| It is individual skill that provides the level of complexity and variety that is the substance of art
[2026-02-28 07:42:49] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| Very disrespectful to people of my trade
[2026-02-28 07:42:49] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| Very disrespectful to people of my trade
[2026-02-28 07:43:06] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i thought you saw yourself as a developer
[2026-02-28 07:43:06] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i thought you saw yourself as a developer
[2026-02-28 07:43:11] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| and how is that disrespectful
[2026-02-28 07:43:11] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| and how is that disrespectful
[2026-02-28 07:43:27] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| could a learning model come up with the flourishes that make Guernica so valuable?
[2026-02-28 07:43:27] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| could a learning model come up with the flourishes that make Guernica so valuable?
[2026-02-28 07:43:28] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| My income is tied up in portraits, as you know
[2026-02-28 07:43:29] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| My income is tied up in portraits, as you know
[2026-02-28 07:43:51] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I see. And so the personal agenda unravels
[2026-02-28 07:43:51] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I see. And so the personal agenda unravels
[2026-02-28 07:44:00] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| You are financially motivated to spread your views
[2026-02-28 07:44:00] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| You are financially motivated to spread your views
[2026-02-28 07:44:05] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| You are in this way a shill 🤣
[2026-02-28 07:44:05] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| You are in this way a shill 🤣
[2026-02-28 07:44:13] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| hell, would a  learning model even have come *up* with cubism?
[2026-02-28 07:44:13] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| hell, would a  learning model even have come *up* with cubism?
[2026-02-28 07:44:14] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| I think the reason you don't understand is the same as the reason you think AI is a suitable replacement for putting your nose to the grindstone
[2026-02-28 07:44:14] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| I think the reason you don't understand is the same as the reason you think AI is a suitable replacement for putting your nose to the grindstone
[2026-02-28 07:45:17] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| how do you even derive the skill of the author in the output?
[2026-02-28 07:45:17] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| how do you even derive the skill of the author in the output?
[2026-02-28 07:45:44] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I don’t think anyone should have to put their nose to the grindstone. Sounds like a recipe for losing one’s nose.
[2026-02-28 07:45:44] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I don’t think anyone should have to put their nose to the grindstone. Sounds like a recipe for losing one’s nose.
[2026-02-28 07:46:41] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| in the case of guernica, you can see the merit of experience. The specific choice of a minimal-gloss paint, for example. The choice to abandon colour entirely. The motivation for creating it in the first place
[2026-02-28 07:46:41] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| in the case of guernica, you can see the merit of experience. The specific choice of a minimal-gloss paint, for example. The choice to abandon colour entirely. The motivation for creating it in the first place
[2026-02-28 07:46:45] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I would like this argument to get away from the usefulness of AI / LLMs and into the philosophy of being open to new tools generally
[2026-02-28 07:46:46] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I would like this argument to get away from the usefulness of AI / LLMs and into the philosophy of being open to new tools generally
[2026-02-28 07:47:26] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I'm not closed to new tools, though. I just quantify each tool based on my opinion of it. whether or nto it is new is irrelevant
[2026-02-28 07:47:26] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I'm not closed to new tools, though. I just quantify each tool based on my opinion of it. whether or nto it is new is irrelevant
[2026-02-28 07:47:28] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Enlightenment ideals are the only thing i’m consistently selling here
[2026-02-28 07:47:29] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Enlightenment ideals are the only thing i’m consistently selling here
[2026-02-28 07:47:32] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Especially to you two
[2026-02-28 07:47:32] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Especially to you two
[2026-02-28 07:47:40] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| More distinctly, I am a qualified expert whose experience in the subject gives me an excuse to call out those who try to shortcut their way to greatness
[2026-02-28 07:47:40] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| More distinctly, I am a qualified expert whose experience in the subject gives me an excuse to call out those who try to shortcut their way to greatness
[2026-02-28 07:47:45] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| You are enlightened men, by all respects
[2026-02-28 07:47:45] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| You are enlightened men, by all respects
[2026-02-28 07:47:46] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| what you *claim* to be enlightnment
[2026-02-28 07:47:46] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| what you *claim* to be enlightnment
[2026-02-28 07:48:13] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I don’t claim it, i’m regurgitating writings almost verbatim
[2026-02-28 07:48:13] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I don’t claim it, i’m regurgitating writings almost verbatim
[2026-02-28 07:48:23] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| ok, the claim that *you support*
[2026-02-28 07:48:23] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| ok, the claim that *you support*
[2026-02-28 07:48:35] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I mean I do but i’m not alone indeed
[2026-02-28 07:48:35] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I mean I do but i’m not alone indeed
[2026-02-28 07:48:39] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| Just as you do with AI. You are no great thinker with this outlook
[2026-02-28 07:48:39] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| Just as you do with AI. You are no great thinker with this outlook
[2026-02-28 07:48:47] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Expertise is assigned, not claimed.
[2026-02-28 07:48:47] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Expertise is assigned, not claimed.
[2026-02-28 07:49:39] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| I don't necessarily know that anyone here wants to view my work and assign greatness to them, given the nature of putting a boy dragon and a girl dragon in a room together hahaha
[2026-02-28 07:49:39] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| I don't necessarily know that anyone here wants to view my work and assign greatness to them, given the nature of putting a boy dragon and a girl dragon in a room together hahaha
[2026-02-28 07:49:57] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| Plus I think they're just OK at best
[2026-02-28 07:49:57] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| Plus I think they're just OK at best
[2026-02-28 07:52:38] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| If it is not this, the personal relationship to the divine, the science of discovery, being open to ration reason and logic, then what is it?
[2026-02-28 07:52:38] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| If it is not this, the personal relationship to the divine, the science of discovery, being open to ration reason and logic, then what is it?
[2026-02-28 07:53:42] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| never claim "open to reason" as a personal trait to aspire, because anyone with a bad faith argument can "no true Scotsman" you out of your own beliefs when you disagree haha
[2026-02-28 07:53:42] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| never claim "open to reason" as a personal trait to aspire, because anyone with a bad faith argument can "no true Scotsman" you out of your own beliefs when you disagree haha
[2026-02-28 07:53:58] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I only take part in good faith arguments
[2026-02-28 07:53:58] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I only take part in good faith arguments
[2026-02-28 07:54:22] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i have no qualms not replying and walking away when people do often lose sensibilities
[2026-02-28 07:54:23] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i have no qualms not replying and walking away when people do often lose sensibilities
[2026-02-28 07:54:35] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| and appeal to emotion or ad hominems or the various bad faith mechanisms
[2026-02-28 07:54:35] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| and appeal to emotion or ad hominems or the various bad faith mechanisms
[2026-02-28 07:55:43] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| I think my beliefs are well stated in this thread, so I have no desire to prolong the tension
[2026-02-28 07:55:43] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| I think my beliefs are well stated in this thread, so I have no desire to prolong the tension
[2026-02-28 07:56:11] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| I will be back online to test RCL stuff after my Florida trip next week
[2026-02-28 07:56:11] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| I will be back online to test RCL stuff after my Florida trip next week
[2026-02-28 07:56:14] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| if you're around
[2026-02-28 07:56:14] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| if you're around
[2026-02-28 07:56:20] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| always 🫡
[2026-02-28 07:56:20] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| always 🫡
[2026-02-28 07:57:00] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I can’t promise to remove all the AI in that time though 😉
[2026-02-28 07:57:00] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I can’t promise to remove all the AI in that time though 😉
[2026-02-28 07:57:20] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| When it comes to engineering, any solution that works
[2026-02-28 07:57:21] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| When it comes to engineering, any solution that works
[2026-02-28 07:57:34] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| If you are willing to fight the AI for a solution, good on you
[2026-02-28 07:57:34] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| If you are willing to fight the AI for a solution, good on you
[2026-02-28 07:58:26] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| I only take issues with
[2026-02-28 07:58:26] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| well, i already said
[2026-02-28 07:58:29] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| I only take issues with
[2026-02-28 07:58:29] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| well, i already said
[2026-02-28 07:59:05] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I would love a large team of varied expertise to build camaraderie and trust alongside progress
[2026-02-28 07:59:06] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I would love a large team of varied expertise to build camaraderie and trust alongside progress
[2026-02-28 07:59:25] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| as it stands this costs a fortune that cannot be generated by our ambitions alone
[2026-02-28 07:59:25] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| as it stands this costs a fortune that cannot be generated by our ambitions alone
[2026-02-28 08:00:00] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| ideas are worthless
[2026-02-28 08:00:00] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| ideas are worthless
[2026-02-28 08:31:08] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Funny thing, in fine art restoration theres a concept known and provenance
[2026-02-28 08:31:08] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Its basically proof of the journey the piece of art took from owner to owner, gallery to gallery, collection to collection
[2026-02-28 08:31:10] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| And in an ideal world it would lead all the way back to the actual author
[2026-02-28 08:31:30] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Fascinating. I bet that’s an interesting discipline to be in
[2026-02-28 08:31:42] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Funny thing, in fine art restoration theres a concept known and provenance
[2026-02-28 08:31:42] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Its basically proof of the journey the piece of art took from owner to owner, gallery to gallery, collection to collection
[2026-02-28 08:31:42] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| And in an ideal world it would lead all the way back to the actual author
[2026-02-28 08:31:42] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Fascinating. I bet that’s an interesting discipline to be in
[2026-02-28 08:31:49] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Having gotten a little into archival works recently i can empathise with how arcane and confusing they can be
[2026-02-28 08:31:49] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Having gotten a little into archival works recently i can empathise with how arcane and confusing they can be
[2026-02-28 08:31:58] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| trying to verify information that nobody on earth knows
[2026-02-28 08:31:58] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| trying to verify information that nobody on earth knows
[2026-02-28 08:32:33] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| For a less antiquarian example, theres the record of the time they took to make it, of the hours and pains they had to go through to achieve their craft
[2026-02-28 08:32:33] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| For a less antiquarian example, theres the record of the time they took to make it, of the hours and pains they had to go through to achieve their craft
[2026-02-28 08:32:59] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| And of course theres still the quality of humanity and soul that human art can have
[2026-02-28 08:32:59] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| And of course theres still the quality of humanity and soul that human art can have
[2026-02-28 08:33:10] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| But i argue it is a bit anthropocentric
[2026-02-28 08:33:10] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| But i argue it is a bit anthropocentric
[2026-02-28 08:33:29] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| An ai can make things that look cool sure
[2026-02-28 08:33:29] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| An ai can make things that look cool sure
[2026-02-28 08:33:41] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| But part of the value of art in is the effort it took to make it
[2026-02-28 08:33:42] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| But part of the value of art in is the effort it took to make it
[2026-02-28 08:33:45] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| The real human effort
[2026-02-28 08:33:45] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| The real human effort
[2026-02-28 08:33:48] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I think art fundamentally is linked to the creative expression, the ambition of the author
[2026-02-28 08:33:48] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I think art fundamentally is linked to the creative expression, the ambition of the author
[2026-02-28 08:34:00] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I think the tools used to express this creativity aren’t that relevant in the macro lens
[2026-02-28 08:34:01] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I think the tools used to express this creativity aren’t that relevant in the macro lens
[2026-02-28 08:34:28] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Then the problem lies in the definition of the author
[2026-02-28 08:34:28] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Then the problem lies in the definition of the author
[2026-02-28 08:34:40] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| This is far from an old problem
[2026-02-28 08:34:40] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| This is far from an old problem
[2026-02-28 08:34:49] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Game studios come to mind
[2026-02-28 08:34:50] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Game studios come to mind
[2026-02-28 08:34:56] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| as we understand it it’s the subject creating the perception
[2026-02-28 08:34:56] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| as we understand it it’s the subject creating the perception
[2026-02-28 08:35:02] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this can indeed create many authors
[2026-02-28 08:35:02] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this can indeed create many authors
[2026-02-28 08:35:15] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| A video I like to point to often in this “what is art” style convo
[2026-02-28 08:35:16] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| A video I like to point to often in this “what is art” style convo
[2026-02-28 08:35:24] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| This argument is only relevant pre-death-of-the-author
[2026-02-28 08:35:24] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| This argument is only relevant pre-death-of-the-author
[2026-02-28 08:35:38] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi9katdH2ZM&
[2026-02-28 08:35:38] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi9katdH2ZM&
[2026-02-28 08:35:38] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Huh
[2026-02-28 08:35:39] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Huh
[2026-02-28 08:35:40] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| Since it's a provenance discussion, not a consumption one
[2026-02-28 08:35:40] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| Since it's a provenance discussion, not a consumption one
[2026-02-28 08:35:42] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Fun angle
[2026-02-28 08:35:42] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Fun angle
[2026-02-28 08:35:52] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this is a skiing video
[2026-02-28 08:35:52] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this is a skiing video
[2026-02-28 08:35:58] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but has a bit of philosophy right at the start
[2026-02-28 08:35:58] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but has a bit of philosophy right at the start
[2026-02-28 08:36:01] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| and raises a good point
[2026-02-28 08:36:01] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| and raises a good point
[2026-02-28 08:36:03] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| isnt skiing art?
[2026-02-28 08:36:03] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| isnt skiing art?
[2026-02-28 08:36:07] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Aye yeah consumption kinda doesnt really care about authorship now isnt it
[2026-02-28 08:36:07] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Aye yeah consumption kinda doesnt really care about authorship now isnt it
[2026-02-28 08:36:32] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Is it me or is there a certain pragmatism that goes with consumption
[2026-02-28 08:36:32] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Is it me or is there a certain pragmatism that goes with consumption
[2026-02-28 08:36:42] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| Skiing is a sport. Sports have sportsmanship, a correlated but not submissive domain to artsmanship
[2026-02-28 08:36:42] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| Skiing is a sport. Sports have sportsmanship, a correlated but not submissive domain to artsmanship
[2026-02-28 08:36:59] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| skiing is not a sport
[2026-02-28 08:36:59] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| skiing is not a sport
[2026-02-28 08:37:04] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| there are many sports within skiing
[2026-02-28 08:37:04] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| there are many sports within skiing
[2026-02-28 08:37:10] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| skiing itself is a mode of transport
[2026-02-28 08:37:10] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| skiing itself is a mode of transport
[2026-02-28 08:37:40] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| True, I forgor about cross country and literal locomotion. But then it's pragmatic and not art
[2026-02-28 08:37:40] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| True, I forgor about cross country and literal locomotion. But then it's pragmatic and not art
[2026-02-28 08:37:41] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Never allow a debate example to get in the way of ones pedanticism
[2026-02-28 08:37:41] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Never allow a debate example to get in the way of ones pedanticism
[2026-02-28 08:37:49] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Or am i just thinking about it in terms of consumption of rather.. raunchy material
[2026-02-28 08:37:49] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Or am i just thinking about it in terms of consumption of rather.. raunchy material
[2026-02-28 08:37:53] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:Taco| oh no another philosophical debate
[2026-02-28 08:37:53] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:Taco| oh no another philosophical debate
[2026-02-28 08:38:03] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| you missed it mostly
[2026-02-28 08:38:03] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| you missed it mostly
[2026-02-28 08:38:03] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| haha
[2026-02-28 08:38:03] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| haha
[2026-02-28 08:38:16] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Yeah youre dodging it lmao
[2026-02-28 08:38:16] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Yeah youre dodging it lmao
[2026-02-28 08:38:28] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| pedantry*
[2026-02-28 08:38:28] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| pedantry*
[2026-02-28 08:38:33] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| 😉
[2026-02-28 08:38:33] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| 😉
[2026-02-28 08:38:35] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| I just deciced to necropost today
[2026-02-28 08:38:35] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| I just deciced to necropost today
[2026-02-28 08:38:45] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| no shot you took that shot lmao
[2026-02-28 08:38:46] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| no shot you took that shot lmao
[2026-02-28 08:38:56] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Okay evil foot guy
[2026-02-28 08:38:56] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Okay evil foot guy
[2026-02-28 08:39:03] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| You raised the dead, now you have to lay with them
[2026-02-28 08:39:03] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| You raised the dead, now you have to lay with them
[2026-02-28 08:39:06] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| wait
[2026-02-28 08:39:06] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| wait
[2026-02-28 08:39:16] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Are they hot?
[2026-02-28 08:39:16] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Are they hot?
[2026-02-28 08:39:36] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| 🤣 🤣
[2026-02-28 08:39:36] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| 🤣 🤣
[2026-02-28 08:39:40] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| you are funny sub
[2026-02-28 08:39:40] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| you are funny sub
[2026-02-28 08:39:49] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| I think it's the necromancer's responsibility to preserve any desired qualities. Are you any good at necromancy?
[2026-02-28 08:39:49] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| I think it's the necromancer's responsibility to preserve any desired qualities. Are you any good at necromancy?
[2026-02-28 08:40:03] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Uh i just started yesterday
[2026-02-28 08:40:03] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Uh i just started yesterday
[2026-02-28 08:40:11] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| Stick to skeletons
[2026-02-28 08:40:11] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| Stick to skeletons
[2026-02-28 08:40:25] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| But they dont have the fun bits on them
[2026-02-28 08:40:26] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| But they dont have the fun bits on them
[2026-02-28 08:40:42] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| Zombies are harder to get right though. Unless you don't care about quality and just need a bajillion of them
[2026-02-28 08:40:42] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| Zombies are harder to get right though. Unless you don't care about quality and just need a bajillion of them
[2026-02-28 08:41:03] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Hey im not stalin
[2026-02-28 08:41:03] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Hey im not stalin
[2026-02-28 08:41:22] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Props if you get it lmao
[2026-02-28 08:41:22] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Props if you get it lmao
[2026-02-28 08:41:31] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| I do not
[2026-02-28 08:41:32] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| I do not
[2026-02-28 08:42:31] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| “Quantity has a quality all on its own” is often attributed to stalin
[2026-02-28 08:42:31] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| “Quantity has a quality all on its own” is often attributed to stalin
[2026-02-28 08:42:42] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| wow the early noon ramblings
[2026-02-28 08:42:42] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| wow the early noon ramblings
[2026-02-28 08:42:46] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Though it might be my neurons firing wrong
[2026-02-28 08:42:46] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Though it might be my neurons firing wrong
[2026-02-28 08:42:56] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Its 8pm atm time traveller
[2026-02-28 08:42:57] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Its 8pm atm time traveller
[2026-02-28 08:43:09] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| you are the only one active in that time zone
[2026-02-28 08:43:09] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| you are the only one active in that time zone
[2026-02-28 08:43:12] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| I't's 5am time traveller
[2026-02-28 08:43:12] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| I't's 5am time traveller
[2026-02-28 08:43:19] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Oh hey
[2026-02-28 08:43:19] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Oh hey
[2026-02-28 08:43:22] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| maybe you're the time traveller
[2026-02-28 08:43:22] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| maybe you're the time traveller
[2026-02-28 08:43:27] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| what is art to you olive
[2026-02-28 08:43:27] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| what is art to you olive
[2026-02-28 08:43:35] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| here we go again
[2026-02-28 08:43:35] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| here we go again
[2026-02-28 08:43:36] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| is the author relevant? are the tools?
[2026-02-28 08:43:36] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| is the author relevant? are the tools?
[2026-02-28 08:43:40] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Hows the weather over there in the future
[2026-02-28 08:43:40] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Hows the weather over there in the future
[2026-02-28 08:43:43] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i never finished wdym
[2026-02-28 08:43:43] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i never finished wdym
[2026-02-28 08:43:44] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| its the idea
[2026-02-28 08:43:44] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| its the idea
[2026-02-28 08:43:49] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| be forewarned it's not about art to him, it's an AI debate again
[2026-02-28 08:43:49] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| be forewarned it's not about art to him, it's an AI debate again
[2026-02-28 08:43:52] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i like that
[2026-02-28 08:43:52] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i like that
[2026-02-28 08:44:03] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| the idea is a good answer i think
[2026-02-28 08:44:04] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| the idea is a good answer i think
[2026-02-28 08:44:05] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| I bet you do Ideas Man X)
[2026-02-28 08:44:05] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| I bet you do Ideas Man X)
[2026-02-28 08:44:07] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| art is an expression of ideas, good art will evoke thought
[2026-02-28 08:44:07] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| art is an expression of ideas, good art will evoke thought
[2026-02-28 08:44:12] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| that's my take
[2026-02-28 08:44:12] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| that's my take
[2026-02-28 08:44:14] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Always has been ai for this guy
[2026-02-28 08:44:14] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Always has been ai for this guy
[2026-02-28 08:44:31] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| why do i feel like this is vaguely pejorative
[2026-02-28 08:44:31] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| why do i feel like this is vaguely pejorative
[2026-02-28 08:44:40] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| Counter Argument. Ideas are worthless and it is the effort, practice, and craftmanship that gives art its value
[2026-02-28 08:44:40] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| Counter Argument. Ideas are worthless and it is the effort, practice, and craftmanship that gives art its value
[2026-02-28 08:44:43] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| simple effective based
[2026-02-28 08:44:43] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| simple effective based
[2026-02-28 08:46:11] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| That time I was ribbing you. Hopefully in good fun?
[2026-02-28 08:46:11] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| idk how you effectively derive this from the output still though
[2026-02-28 08:46:11] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| oh lol yeah fair
[2026-02-28 08:46:11] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| By not judging just by one dimension?
[2026-02-28 08:46:11] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| The ability to appraise art can be learned, especially through producing your own works!
[2026-02-28 08:46:11] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| im sure you've seen but this is quite important to me for a variety of spaces im in
[2026-02-28 08:46:11] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| working on being more lighthearted about it
[2026-02-28 08:46:11] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but its hard when they talk about bombing data centers xD
[2026-02-28 08:46:11] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| I would yeah
[2026-02-28 08:46:17] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| i like to disconnect art from authors
[2026-02-28 08:46:20] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| That time I was ribbing you. Hopefully in good fun?
[2026-02-28 08:46:20] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| idk how you effectively derive this from the output still though
[2026-02-28 08:46:20] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| oh lol yeah fair
[2026-02-28 08:46:20] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| By not judging just by one dimension?
[2026-02-28 08:46:20] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| The ability to appraise art can be learned, especially through producing your own works!
[2026-02-28 08:46:20] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| im sure you've seen but this is quite important to me for a variety of spaces im in
[2026-02-28 08:46:20] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| working on being more lighthearted about it
[2026-02-28 08:46:20] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but its hard when they talk about bombing data centers xD
[2026-02-28 08:46:20] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| I would yeah
[2026-02-28 08:46:20] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| i like to disconnect art from authors
[2026-02-28 08:46:28] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| doesnt judging require some understanding of the discipline?
[2026-02-28 08:46:28] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| doesnt judging require some understanding of the discipline?
[2026-02-28 08:46:29] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| artists
[2026-02-28 08:46:29] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| artists
[2026-02-28 08:46:41] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| yeah me too, though naturally this is tricky
[2026-02-28 08:46:41] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| yeah me too, though naturally this is tricky
[2026-02-28 08:46:50] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| hard to say how much of the artists original vision is even in the output
[2026-02-28 08:46:50] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| hard to say how much of the artists original vision is even in the output
[2026-02-28 08:47:00] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| You can judge something by more than just the work itself
[2026-02-28 08:47:00] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| You can judge something by more than just the work itself
[2026-02-28 08:47:08] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| well you can view the artist as a dimension of the art work
[2026-02-28 08:47:08] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| well you can view the artist as a dimension of the art work
[2026-02-28 08:47:10] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| You can judge it by the period
[2026-02-28 08:47:11] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| You can judge it by the period
[2026-02-28 08:47:14] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| In fact, art appraisal being a separate skill is why artists think they repeatedly gain and lower their quality.
[2026-02-28 08:47:14] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| In fact, art appraisal being a separate skill is why artists think they repeatedly gain and lower their quality.
[2026-02-28 08:47:14] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| First, they practice art. So their art skill is better than their appraisal.
[2026-02-28 08:47:15] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| First, they practice art. So their art skill is better than their appraisal.
[2026-02-28 08:47:15] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| Then their appraisal improves, making them more critical of their own work.
[2026-02-28 08:47:17] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| Then their appraisal improves, making them more critical of their own work.
[2026-02-28 08:47:17] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| This spurs them onto create better work, and then the cycle repeats
[2026-02-28 08:47:18] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| This spurs them onto create better work, and then the cycle repeats
[2026-02-28 08:47:34] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| What im saying it
[2026-02-28 08:47:34] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| What im saying it
[2026-02-28 08:48:08] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Judging art by just the output is missing the forest for the trees a bit
[2026-02-28 08:48:08] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Judging art by just the output is missing the forest for the trees a bit
[2026-02-28 08:48:30] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| There is a way to know if the art was made by a human instead of ai
[2026-02-28 08:48:30] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| There is a way to know if the art was made by a human instead of ai
[2026-02-28 08:48:42] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| And that can have prescribed value by us
[2026-02-28 08:48:42] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| And that can have prescribed value by us
[2026-02-28 08:48:53] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| indeed in the form of appraisal when you have time and can exame in the piece in detail
[2026-02-28 08:48:53] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| indeed in the form of appraisal when you have time and can exame in the piece in detail
[2026-02-28 08:48:55] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but what if you dont?
[2026-02-28 08:48:56] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but what if you dont?
[2026-02-28 08:49:04] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| It does get harder, but I won't reveal my photoshop trick lest they patch it
[2026-02-28 08:49:05] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| It does get harder, but I won't reveal my photoshop trick lest they patch it
[2026-02-28 08:49:16] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Fun thing
[2026-02-28 08:49:16] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Fun thing
[2026-02-28 08:49:24] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Most of the time i just dont engage
[2026-02-28 08:49:24] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Most of the time i just dont engage
[2026-02-28 08:49:27] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| more generally speaking: the context wherein it was created
[2026-02-28 08:49:27] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| more generally speaking: the context wherein it was created
[2026-02-28 08:49:35] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| period, artist, intent, etc.
[2026-02-28 08:49:35] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| period, artist, intent, etc.
[2026-02-28 08:49:44] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| If i dont have time for determining if something is real or not
[2026-02-28 08:49:44] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| If i dont have time for determining if something is real or not
[2026-02-28 08:49:53] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| And the info is not that important to me
[2026-02-28 08:49:53] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| And the info is not that important to me
[2026-02-28 08:50:01] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| I can just say nope and not engage
[2026-02-28 08:50:01] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| I can just say nope and not engage
[2026-02-28 08:50:15] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| this is the way
[2026-02-28 08:50:15] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| this is the way
[2026-02-28 08:50:18] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| If it is important then the time will come
[2026-02-28 08:50:18] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| If it is important then the time will come
[2026-02-28 08:50:20] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| So you would NOT appraise my dragon ritual art is what I'm hearing
[2026-02-28 08:50:20] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| So you would NOT appraise my dragon ritual art is what I'm hearing
[2026-02-28 08:50:23] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| attention is the most important commodity
[2026-02-28 08:50:23] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| attention is the most important commodity
[2026-02-28 08:50:24] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| I'm not offended
[2026-02-28 08:50:24] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| I'm not offended
[2026-02-28 08:50:33] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Its okay to leave things blank and unknown
[2026-02-28 08:50:34] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Its okay to leave things blank and unknown
[2026-02-28 08:50:53] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| I would if it has some certain curves
[2026-02-28 08:50:53] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| I would if it has some certain curves
[2026-02-28 08:51:15] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| olive is locked in here. It's why im so fascinated by these enlightenment era geniuses still having to write advertisements
[2026-02-28 08:51:15] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| olive is locked in here. It's why im so fascinated by these enlightenment era geniuses still having to write advertisements
[2026-02-28 08:51:17] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| I go by the same name everywhere, you can probably find me if you know where to look
[2026-02-28 08:51:17] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| I go by the same name everywhere, you can probably find me if you know where to look
[2026-02-28 08:51:35] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| art manifests in places where utility lacks
[2026-02-28 08:51:35] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| art manifests in places where utility lacks
[2026-02-28 08:51:45] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| purple prose
[2026-02-28 08:51:45] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| purple prose
[2026-02-28 08:51:47] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| oh that's a good one
[2026-02-28 08:51:47] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| oh that's a good one
[2026-02-28 08:51:55] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| either that or abundance of utility
[2026-02-28 08:51:55] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| either that or abundance of utility
[2026-02-28 08:51:58] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| And part of your idea about art is a bit too utilitarian
[2026-02-28 08:51:58] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| And part of your idea about art is a bit too utilitarian
[2026-02-28 08:52:24] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| rennaissance and other golden age painters did not lack utility
[2026-02-28 08:52:24] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| rennaissance and other golden age painters did not lack utility
[2026-02-28 08:52:25] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| At least to my sensibilities of utilitarian
[2026-02-28 08:52:25] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| At least to my sensibilities of utilitarian
[2026-02-28 08:53:11] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| but in times of scarcity you will find people will express creatively
[2026-02-28 08:53:12] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| but in times of scarcity you will find people will express creatively
[2026-02-28 08:54:07] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| I am not offended to hear that art has no utility. Once I'm done with it, it is what it is. Gooning is not a suitable excuse for "this is useful" unless you are gluttonous (we can all have a little sinning, as a treat)
[2026-02-28 08:54:07] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| I am not offended to hear that art has no utility. Once I'm done with it, it is what it is. Gooning is not a suitable excuse for "this is useful" unless you are gluttonous (we can all have a little sinning, as a treat)
[2026-02-28 08:55:40] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Gooning in the narrow definition or the wide one
[2026-02-28 08:55:40] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Gooning in the narrow definition or the wide one
[2026-02-28 08:55:52] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Or should i say in the old or new definition
[2026-02-28 08:55:52] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Or should i say in the old or new definition
[2026-02-28 08:55:53] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-point-pointing-going-inside-gif-25709356
[2026-02-28 08:55:53] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-point-pointing-going-inside-gif-25709356
[2026-02-28 08:55:56] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| indeed the englightment thinkers warned us constantly of our innate weakness and sensual desires
[2026-02-28 08:55:56] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| indeed the englightment thinkers warned us constantly of our innate weakness and sensual desires
[2026-02-28 08:55:57] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| gtg. frosti dm me your dragon as long as its satanic blood dragon ritual art
[2026-02-28 08:55:57] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| gtg. frosti dm me your dragon as long as its satanic blood dragon ritual art
[2026-02-28 08:55:59] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| no lol, the new one
[2026-02-28 08:55:59] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| no lol, the new one
[2026-02-28 08:56:05] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Ah good
[2026-02-28 08:56:05] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Ah good
[2026-02-28 08:56:09] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Gotta poke that snake
[2026-02-28 08:56:09] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Gotta poke that snake
[2026-02-28 08:56:16] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| :lewd:
[2026-02-28 08:56:16] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| :lewd:
[2026-02-28 08:56:22] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| have a good day oliveira
[2026-02-28 08:56:22] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| have a good day oliveira
[2026-02-28 08:56:40] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Anyways
[2026-02-28 08:56:41] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Anyways
[2026-02-28 08:56:49] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| No, there is occasional blood in my dragon ritual art but it's usually for when the ritual gets a little rowdy
[2026-02-28 08:56:49] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| No, there is occasional blood in my dragon ritual art but it's usually for when the ritual gets a little rowdy
[2026-02-28 08:57:07] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Didnt one of the members here used to dm people nsfw videos
[2026-02-28 08:57:07] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Didnt one of the members here used to dm people nsfw videos
[2026-02-28 08:57:13] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| wack
[2026-02-28 08:57:13] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| wack
[2026-02-28 08:57:22] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| is there a community of people who enjoy dragon art *without* them fucking?
[2026-02-28 08:57:23] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| is there a community of people who enjoy dragon art *without* them fucking?
[2026-02-28 08:57:24] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| wait what
[2026-02-28 08:57:24] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| wait what
[2026-02-28 08:57:44] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| I will promptly leave
[2026-02-28 08:57:44] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| I will promptly leave
[2026-02-28 08:57:50] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| They deprive themselves of the truth
[2026-02-28 08:57:50] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| They deprive themselves of the truth
[2026-02-28 08:58:04] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| think you're mistaking us for another community
[2026-02-28 08:58:04] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| think you're mistaking us for another community
[2026-02-28 08:58:25] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but i could be wrong
[2026-02-28 08:58:25] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but i could be wrong
[2026-02-28 08:58:34] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I'll take that as a "No"|
[2026-02-28 08:58:34] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I'll take that as a "No"|
[2026-02-28 08:58:59] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:frostidragon| They do exist, but it's all christians and children. Not my crowd
[2026-02-28 08:58:59] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:frostidragon| They do exist, but it's all christians and children. Not my crowd
[2026-02-28 08:59:36] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| fair
[2026-02-28 08:59:37] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| fair
[2026-02-28 09:03:58] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Theres a guy out there making anatomically realistic dragon thingies prolly that has a community around him
[2026-02-28 09:03:58] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Theres a guy out there making anatomically realistic dragon thingies prolly that has a community around him
[2026-02-28 09:04:06] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Oh frosti
[2026-02-28 09:04:06] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Oh frosti
[2026-02-28 09:04:10] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Want an art challenge
[2026-02-28 09:04:10] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Want an art challenge
[2026-02-28 09:06:13] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| naturally
[2026-02-28 09:06:13] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| naturally
[2026-02-28 09:06:43] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| technology since the dawn of time has been a vector for many to chase sensual desires
[2026-02-28 09:06:43] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| technology since the dawn of time has been a vector for many to chase sensual desires
[2026-02-28 09:07:11] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it’s a well known fact that some of the earliest innovations in the internet were driven from people wanting to share pron
[2026-02-28 09:07:11] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it’s a well known fact that some of the earliest innovations in the internet were driven from people wanting to share pron
[2026-02-28 09:07:49] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| If not porn then some other avenue of hijacking ones own reward centers
[2026-02-28 09:07:49] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| If not porn then some other avenue of hijacking ones own reward centers
[2026-02-28 09:07:53] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this is part of some of my other debates that these historical creators warned about this specifically
[2026-02-28 09:07:53] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this is part of some of my other debates that these historical creators warned about this specifically
[2026-02-28 09:07:57] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Humans are good at that lmao
[2026-02-28 09:07:57] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Humans are good at that lmao
[2026-02-28 09:09:10] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| 》 Whoever fails to recognize or even despises the usefulness of this effort must either be weak, or a slave to prejudice and sensual distractions.
[2026-02-28 09:09:10] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| 》 Whoever fails to recognize or even despises the usefulness of this effort must either be weak, or a slave to prejudice and sensual distractions.
[2026-02-28 09:09:16] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| 我的
[2026-02-28 09:09:17] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| 我的
[2026-02-28 09:09:20] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| weird
[2026-02-28 09:09:20] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| weird
[2026-02-28 09:09:27] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| `>` is a different char in zh
[2026-02-28 09:09:27] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| `>` is a different char in zh
[2026-02-28 09:09:42] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| > Whoever fails to recognize or even despises the usefulness of this effort must either be weak, or a slave to prejudice and sensual distractions.
[2026-02-28 09:09:42] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| > Whoever fails to recognize or even despises the usefulness of this effort must either be weak, or a slave to prejudice and sensual distractions.
[2026-02-28 09:09:52] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| imagine this was written in 1760
[2026-02-28 09:09:52] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| imagine this was written in 1760
[2026-02-28 09:12:04] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Thy fail to recognize or despise this effort? Thou be small of vigour or a prejudiced machine or even worse, be a single basement dweller
[2026-02-28 09:12:04] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Thy fail to recognize or despise this effort? Thou be small of vigour or a prejudiced machine or even worse, be a single basement dweller
[2026-02-28 09:12:43] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| blessed be my cog
[2026-02-28 09:12:43] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| blessed be my cog
[2026-02-28 09:13:17] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Praise the omnissiah
[2026-02-28 09:13:17] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Praise the omnissiah
[2026-02-28 09:13:50] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| https://youtu.be/lnDP902qeqw?si=_13iDB2Q3UraYHWU
[2026-02-28 09:13:50] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| https://youtu.be/lnDP902qeqw?si=_13iDB2Q3UraYHWU
[2026-02-28 09:14:03] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i like the speech here around 9 mins
[2026-02-28 09:14:03] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i like the speech here around 9 mins
[2026-02-28 09:16:59] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| in a way this is exactly as technology operates, it's also how we understand physics
[2026-02-28 09:17:02] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| there's a fundamental interface between reality and our perceptions, measurements, senses
[2026-02-28 09:17:12] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| in a way this is exactly as technology operates, it's also how we understand physics
[2026-02-28 09:17:12] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| there's a fundamental interface between reality and our perceptions, measurements, senses
[2026-02-28 09:17:18] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| you know microplastics now exist in layers of sediment from pre human times
[2026-02-28 09:17:18] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| you know microplastics now exist in layers of sediment from pre human times
[2026-02-28 09:17:35] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| the past is in this way laid bare
[2026-02-28 09:17:36] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| the past is in this way laid bare
[2026-02-28 09:18:21] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| "the cold wind of truth" and other related concepts
[2026-02-28 09:18:21] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| "the cold wind of truth" and other related concepts
[2026-02-28 09:18:28] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| anyway
[2026-02-28 09:18:28] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| anyway
[2026-02-28 09:53:53] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:lava| this is the replacement discord for the one that was run by the dude who pm'd nsfw videos lol
[2026-02-28 09:53:53] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:lava| this is the replacement discord for the one that was run by the dude who pm'd nsfw videos lol
[2026-02-28 09:54:04] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:lava| he also made the original pickup bot
[2026-02-28 09:54:04] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:lava| he also made the original pickup bot
[2026-02-28 09:56:29] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1477318544965373953/1280px-Adolf_Hitler_-_Die_Karlskirche_im_Winter_28191229.png?ex=69a4539c&is=69a3021c&hm=4200d0cbb8a02b01e07b9436ad568184dcd1e91aba7d0c24561cd252f1e98d76&
[2026-02-28 09:56:29] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1477318544965373953/1280px-Adolf_Hitler_-_Die_Karlskirche_im_Winter_28191229.png?ex=69a4539c&is=69a3021c&hm=4200d0cbb8a02b01e07b9436ad568184dcd1e91aba7d0c24561cd252f1e98d76&
[2026-02-28 09:57:37] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| so if you consume a piece of art and it evokes something in you,and then later learn that its ai; would you force yourself to stop enjoying it ?
[2026-02-28 09:57:37] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| so if you consume a piece of art and it evokes something in you,and then later learn that its ai; would you force yourself to stop enjoying it ?
[2026-02-28 10:14:54] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| ohhhh true!
[2026-02-28 10:14:54] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i didnt know he made the OG pickup bot
[2026-02-28 10:14:54] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but i did remember the other discord
[2026-02-28 10:14:54] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| cool lore
[2026-02-28 10:14:57] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| ohhhh true!
[2026-02-28 10:14:57] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i didnt know he made the OG pickup bot
[2026-02-28 10:14:57] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but i did remember the other discord
[2026-02-28 10:14:57] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| cool lore
[2026-02-28 10:17:17] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| I would feel betrayed
[2026-02-28 10:17:18] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| I would feel betrayed
[2026-02-28 10:25:14] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| because the author should have suffered more
[2026-02-28 10:25:14] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| because the author should have suffered more
[2026-02-28 10:25:26] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this is resentment
[2026-02-28 10:25:26] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this is resentment
[2026-02-28 10:53:38] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| i mean if we allow tragedy to increase value then we must logically allow artificial origin to decrease value i gues
[2026-02-28 10:53:38] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| i mean if we allow tragedy to increase value then we must logically allow artificial origin to decrease value i gues
[2026-02-28 10:59:45] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| +++
[2026-02-28 10:59:45] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| +++
[2026-02-28 11:02:25] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but we dont want to allow tragedy to increase value
[2026-02-28 11:02:25] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but we dont want to allow tragedy to increase value
[2026-02-28 11:02:29] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it often does and we are often shamed by that
[2026-02-28 11:02:29] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it often does and we are often shamed by that
[2026-02-28 11:03:06] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| like schopenhauer and the countless other philosophers that only became celebrated after their deaths
[2026-02-28 11:03:06] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| like schopenhauer and the countless other philosophers that only became celebrated after their deaths
[2026-02-28 11:04:04] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| idk if you can definitively say adding a contextual 'human depth' to art is bad or shameful
[2026-02-28 11:04:04] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| idk if you can definitively say adding a contextual 'human depth' to art is bad or shameful
[2026-02-28 11:04:28] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| no the human depth is there always
[2026-02-28 11:04:28] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| no the human depth is there always
[2026-02-28 11:04:43] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| we hope to honour that human during its life rather than post it, i guess
[2026-02-28 11:04:43] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| we hope to honour that human during its life rather than post it, i guess
[2026-02-28 11:04:53] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| that was my point with ai art losing value because its lacking that
[2026-02-28 11:04:53] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| that was my point with ai art losing value because its lacking that
[2026-02-28 11:05:01] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but there is an artist
[2026-02-28 11:05:01] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but there is an artist
[2026-02-28 11:05:06] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| someone had an idea
[2026-02-28 11:05:06] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| someone had an idea
[2026-02-28 11:05:56] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| if you're able to call the art "ai art" generally it kinda assumes today that less thought has been put into it
[2026-02-28 11:05:56] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| if you're able to call the art "ai art" generally it kinda assumes today that less thought has been put into it
[2026-02-28 11:06:07] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it loses value because of that, which is fair
[2026-02-28 11:06:07] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it loses value because of that, which is fair
[2026-02-28 11:06:33] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| well a sad song generated by an ai model trained on thousands of grief lyrics can still be seen as having the human depth - theres just more layers of abstraction there. probably a hot take
[2026-02-28 11:06:33] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| well a sad song generated by an ai model trained on thousands of grief lyrics can still be seen as having the human depth - theres just more layers of abstraction there. probably a hot take
[2026-02-28 11:06:52] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but im saying that doesnt happen in a vacuum right
[2026-02-28 11:06:52] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but im saying that doesnt happen in a vacuum right
[2026-02-28 11:07:00] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| there is a human asking for something like this
[2026-02-28 11:07:00] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| there is a human asking for something like this
[2026-02-28 11:07:07] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| im agreeing with you with the point
[2026-02-28 11:07:07] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| im agreeing with you with the point
[2026-02-28 11:07:16] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| if its not "generic" they will have to put some secret sauce into it in some way
[2026-02-28 11:07:16] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| if its not "generic" they will have to put some secret sauce into it in some way
[2026-02-28 11:07:36] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| yea i see
[2026-02-28 11:07:36] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| yea i see
[2026-02-28 11:07:50] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| its interesting though i think this is more the crux of the ai art argument
[2026-02-28 11:07:50] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| its interesting though i think this is more the crux of the ai art argument
[2026-02-28 11:07:56] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| lots of ai art is seen as bad because it is bad
[2026-02-28 11:07:56] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| lots of ai art is seen as bad because it is bad
[2026-02-28 11:08:04] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| not a lot of thought, not a lot of depth, no creativity
[2026-02-28 11:08:04] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| not a lot of thought, not a lot of depth, no creativity
[2026-02-28 11:08:11] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| often just displaying the capabilities of the tool and thats it
[2026-02-28 11:08:11] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| often just displaying the capabilities of the tool and thats it
[2026-02-28 11:08:33] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Of course we want tragedy to increase value, wtf do you mean? Any strong emotion increases value. Arts are an expression of emotion, or intended to convey emotion, or intended to picture an emotionally significant event. That's the entire *onus* for art existing
[2026-02-28 11:08:34] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Of course we want tragedy to increase value, wtf do you mean? Any strong emotion increases value. Arts are an expression of emotion, or intended to convey emotion, or intended to picture an emotionally significant event. That's the entire *onus* for art existing
[2026-02-28 11:08:36] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it doesnt have to be that way and as the ecosystem develops and people get familiar with the new set of tools i think we will see some awesome new art
[2026-02-28 11:08:36] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it doesnt have to be that way and as the ecosystem develops and people get familiar with the new set of tools i think we will see some awesome new art
[2026-02-28 11:09:00] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| even music evolved from storytelling, which comes from the precis of sharing emotionally and culturally important information
[2026-02-28 11:09:00] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| even music evolved from storytelling, which comes from the precis of sharing emotionally and culturally important information
[2026-02-28 11:09:25] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| If the art in question has no depth behind it, then what is it sharing? Distraction?
[2026-02-28 11:09:25] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| If the art in question has no depth behind it, then what is it sharing? Distraction?
[2026-02-28 11:09:29] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| you're smuggling in category error
[2026-02-28 11:09:29] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| you're smuggling in category error
[2026-02-28 11:09:34] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Not at all
[2026-02-28 11:09:34] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Not at all
[2026-02-28 11:09:42] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| "strong emotion increases value" is not the same as "tragedy should increase value"
[2026-02-28 11:09:42] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| "strong emotion increases value" is not the same as "tragedy should increase value"
[2026-02-28 11:10:10] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| art can express clarity, joy, awe, all kinds of things
[2026-02-28 11:10:10] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| art can express clarity, joy, awe, all kinds of things
[2026-02-28 11:10:21] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| no, tragedy is an extension of emotion. After all, why is it a tragedy? If we felt nothing for the death of infants, would the accidental death of hundreds be tragic? surely not
[2026-02-28 11:10:21] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| no, tragedy is an extension of emotion. After all, why is it a tragedy? If we felt nothing for the death of infants, would the accidental death of hundreds be tragic? surely not
[2026-02-28 11:11:07] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| it thus follows that tragedy, one of the strongest of emotional events, inherits substantial value over other emotional events
[2026-02-28 11:11:07] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| it thus follows that tragedy, one of the strongest of emotional events, inherits substantial value over other emotional events
[2026-02-28 11:11:22] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| If a manipulative piece of media forces you into intense emotion through clickbait, does this make it valuable art?
[2026-02-28 11:11:22] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| If a manipulative piece of media forces you into intense emotion through clickbait, does this make it valuable art?
[2026-02-28 11:11:26] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| and thus art that depicts such has value. And perhaps even has controversy
[2026-02-28 11:11:26] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| and thus art that depicts such has value. And perhaps even has controversy
[2026-02-28 11:12:36] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I think you want art to be more than emotional intensity
[2026-02-28 11:12:37] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I think you want art to be more than emotional intensity
[2026-02-28 11:12:38] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Yes! Don't make the mistake of conflating *value* with *villainy*
[2026-02-28 11:12:38] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Yes! Don't make the mistake of conflating *value* with *villainy*
[2026-02-28 11:13:45] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| i think in general we should work on distinguishing the immediate aesthetic experience of art with the reflective contextual evaluation of it. you can appreciate, one day, a beautiful piece of ai art, and then also recognise the lack of connection and relation to the author . i dont think they are as inseperable as many ai haters do
[2026-02-28 11:13:45] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| i think in general we should work on distinguishing the immediate aesthetic experience of art with the reflective contextual evaluation of it. you can appreciate, one day, a beautiful piece of ai art, and then also recognise the lack of connection and relation to the author . i dont think they are as inseperable as many ai haters do
[2026-02-28 11:14:13] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Art is incredibly powerful. We even have some recent examples. Tatsuya Tanaka did a piece on the Russian invasion of Ukraine
[2026-02-28 11:14:13] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Art is incredibly powerful. We even have some recent examples. Tatsuya Tanaka did a piece on the Russian invasion of Ukraine
[2026-02-28 11:14:48] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| AI art
[2026-02-28 11:14:48] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| AI art
[2026-02-28 11:14:50] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| It was responsible for a cohort of Japanese businessmen to put forht a substantial amount of money that Ukriane used to buy ambulances
[2026-02-28 11:14:50] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| It was responsible for a cohort of Japanese businessmen to put forht a substantial amount of money that Ukriane used to buy ambulances
[2026-02-28 11:15:03] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I've connected with more than one piece of AI art at this point
[2026-02-28 11:15:03] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I've connected with more than one piece of AI art at this point
[2026-02-28 11:15:17] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I love AI bringing to life old worlds that we didn't have the technology for at the time
[2026-02-28 11:15:17] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I love AI bringing to life old worlds that we didn't have the technology for at the time
[2026-02-28 11:15:41] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| But this time you're flipping the direction. The emotion is intended to be conveyed by the artist, not retroactively applied by the viewer
[2026-02-28 11:15:41] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| But this time you're flipping the direction. The emotion is intended to be conveyed by the artist, not retroactively applied by the viewer
[2026-02-28 11:16:24] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| sure, you can *interpret* it how you please, but the original intention is always applied by the creator
[2026-02-28 11:16:24] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| sure, you can *interpret* it how you please, but the original intention is always applied by the creator
[2026-02-28 11:16:30] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| an LLM has no such intention
[2026-02-28 11:16:30] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| an LLM has no such intention
[2026-02-28 11:16:32] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| and this is a component of the overall value of the art but is by no means majoratively significant, after all it was you who said it needs to be contextualised
[2026-02-28 11:16:32] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| and this is a component of the overall value of the art but is by no means majoratively significant, after all it was you who said it needs to be contextualised
[2026-02-28 11:16:40] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| not true
[2026-02-28 11:16:40] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| not true
[2026-02-28 11:16:49] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| you can imagine over analysing artwork in a variety of ways
[2026-02-28 11:16:49] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| you can imagine over analysing artwork in a variety of ways
[2026-02-28 11:16:57] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| how you can derive emotion from a brush stroke
[2026-02-28 11:16:57] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| how you can derive emotion from a brush stroke
[2026-02-28 11:17:16] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it was mindless, truthfully
[2026-02-28 11:17:16] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| and you'd be swiftly slapped into place by people who know when to stop overthinking
[2026-02-28 11:17:16] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it was mindless, truthfully
[2026-02-28 11:17:16] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| and you'd be swiftly slapped into place by people who know when to stop overthinking
[2026-02-28 11:17:20] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| i dont think this tangent goes anywhere
[2026-02-28 11:17:20] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| i dont think this tangent goes anywhere
[2026-02-28 11:17:47] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkKkLPQaJ5g
[2026-02-28 11:17:47] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkKkLPQaJ5g
[2026-02-28 11:17:56] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| for my elwynn forest lovers
[2026-02-28 11:17:56] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| for my elwynn forest lovers
[2026-02-28 11:18:02] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| its like 99% the music
[2026-02-28 11:18:02] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| its like 99% the music
[2026-02-28 11:18:09] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but still it feels appreciative in some way
[2026-02-28 11:18:09] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but still it feels appreciative in some way
[2026-02-28 11:18:33] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| this is a little different. I don't actually hate the idea of remastering existing pieces, although I would argue some remasterings have somewaht questionable choices in palette
[2026-02-28 11:18:33] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| this is a little different. I don't actually hate the idea of remastering existing pieces, although I would argue some remasterings have somewaht questionable choices in palette
[2026-02-28 11:19:30] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| but thats neither here nor there. As long as the original piece is left intact, sure - go for it
[2026-02-28 11:19:30] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| so we are agreeing the idea is in of itself valuable
[2026-02-28 11:19:30] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| remastering? sure
[2026-02-28 11:19:30] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| no, the idea
[2026-02-28 11:19:30] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| in certain contexts, at any rate
[2026-02-28 11:19:30] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| only good ideas are worth remastering
[2026-02-28 11:19:30] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| storied works as it were
[2026-02-28 11:19:30] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| what constitutes a good idea
[2026-02-28 11:19:36] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| but thats neither here nor there. As long as the original piece is left intact, sure - go for it
[2026-02-28 11:19:36] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| so we are agreeing the idea is in of itself valuable
[2026-02-28 11:19:36] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| remastering? sure
[2026-02-28 11:19:36] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| no, the idea
[2026-02-28 11:19:36] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| in certain contexts, at any rate
[2026-02-28 11:19:36] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| only good ideas are worth remastering
[2026-02-28 11:19:36] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| storied works as it were
[2026-02-28 11:19:36] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| what constitutes a good idea
[2026-02-28 11:19:46] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| something that makes you accepting of it being remastered into newer formats and tools i suppose
[2026-02-28 11:19:46] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| something that makes you accepting of it being remastered into newer formats and tools i suppose
[2026-02-28 11:20:16] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Idk guys hot take
[2026-02-28 11:20:16] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Idk guys hot take
[2026-02-28 11:20:21] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Human suffering is cringe
[2026-02-28 11:20:21] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Human suffering is cringe
[2026-02-28 11:20:41] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| not that hot, thats part of my argument package here
[2026-02-28 11:20:41] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| not that hot, thats part of my argument package here
[2026-02-28 11:20:46] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| ah, no, my point there was that "good idea" is a heavy generalisation. But in that sense, neither you nor I have any authority over what is and is not remastered
[2026-02-28 11:20:46] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| ah, no, my point there was that "good idea" is a heavy generalisation. But in that sense, neither you nor I have any authority over what is and is not remastered
[2026-02-28 11:20:51] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| lots of people think humans should suffer to produce art
[2026-02-28 11:20:51] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| lots of people think humans should suffer to produce art
[2026-02-28 11:20:55] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| im sick of suffering
[2026-02-28 11:20:55] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| im sick of suffering
[2026-02-28 11:21:06] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| And we should be kinda slightly embarrassed that we are somewhat encouraging suffering
[2026-02-28 11:21:06] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| And we should be kinda slightly embarrassed that we are somewhat encouraging suffering
[2026-02-28 11:21:22] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| But it is right that suffering can give some meaning to art
[2026-02-28 11:21:22] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| But it is right that suffering can give some meaning to art
[2026-02-28 11:21:36] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Art is an outlet for people
[2026-02-28 11:21:36] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Art is an outlet for people
[2026-02-28 11:21:49] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Its not just a blood sacrifice you give to make it
[2026-02-28 11:21:50] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Its not just a blood sacrifice you give to make it
[2026-02-28 11:22:03] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Sometimes its a vent to allow exhaust to go
[2026-02-28 11:22:03] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Sometimes its a vent to allow exhaust to go
[2026-02-28 11:22:21] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i think the more you are venting like this the less good the art is
[2026-02-28 11:22:21] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i think the more you are venting like this the less good the art is
[2026-02-28 11:22:22] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| ngl
[2026-02-28 11:22:22] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| ngl
[2026-02-28 11:22:23] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Or its a creation thats spawned into being because the creator deemed it so
[2026-02-28 11:22:23] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Or its a creation thats spawned into being because the creator deemed it so
[2026-02-28 11:23:10] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Suffering is part and parcel of life. It's important *not* to be 100% happy 100% of the time. Suffering grief is a large part of the human condition, it's part of the development of empathy.
[2026-02-28 11:23:10] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| There is, of course, a limit - one should not be subjected to continual depression, or constantly endangered
[2026-02-28 11:23:10] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but its complicated, how coherent art should even attempt to be
[2026-02-28 11:23:10] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Thats the beautiful thing about art
[2026-02-28 11:23:10] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Its so personal to the person that makes it
[2026-02-28 11:23:15] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Suffering is part and parcel of life. It's important *not* to be 100% happy 100% of the time. Suffering grief is a large part of the human condition, it's part of the development of empathy.
[2026-02-28 11:23:15] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| There is, of course, a limit - one should not be subjected to continual depression, or constantly endangered
[2026-02-28 11:23:15] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but its complicated, how coherent art should even attempt to be
[2026-02-28 11:23:15] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Thats the beautiful thing about art
[2026-02-28 11:23:15] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Its so personal to the person that makes it
[2026-02-28 11:23:27] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| To say that its less good is to kinda say you dont want to see that human making art at all
[2026-02-28 11:23:27] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| To say that its less good is to kinda say you dont want to see that human making art at all
[2026-02-28 11:23:33] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| well yes but this is where it gets especially complicated trying to contextualise art into culture
[2026-02-28 11:23:33] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| well yes but this is where it gets especially complicated trying to contextualise art into culture
[2026-02-28 11:23:36] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| In fact, I credit some of the most emotionally difficult periods in my life with my development
[2026-02-28 11:23:36] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| In fact, I credit some of the most emotionally difficult periods in my life with my development
[2026-02-28 11:23:36] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Or at least you dont value that human part of them
[2026-02-28 11:23:36] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Or at least you dont value that human part of them
[2026-02-28 11:23:44] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| because we do kinda only accept art in specific mediums we deem as skillful in some way
[2026-02-28 11:23:45] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| because we do kinda only accept art in specific mediums we deem as skillful in some way
[2026-02-28 11:24:01] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| you have to be especially liberal to have more generous interpretations of art
[2026-02-28 11:24:01] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| you have to be especially liberal to have more generous interpretations of art
[2026-02-28 11:24:13] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Or especially educated
[2026-02-28 11:24:13] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Or especially educated
[2026-02-28 11:24:38] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Im going through a bit of a rough patch atm
[2026-02-28 11:24:38] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Im going through a bit of a rough patch atm
[2026-02-28 11:24:46] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Living on my own and dealing with college
[2026-02-28 11:24:46] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Living on my own and dealing with college
[2026-02-28 11:24:53] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| i agree with deli, people like to relate and connect to a human soul. there is 0 point trying to discourage or look down on *it* in the context of art
[2026-02-28 11:24:53] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| i agree with deli, people like to relate and connect to a human soul. there is 0 point trying to discourage or look down on *it* in the context of art
[2026-02-28 11:25:11] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Art is fundamentally human
[2026-02-28 11:25:11] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Art is fundamentally human
[2026-02-28 11:25:24] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| art is a very touchy subject when it comes to machine learning, largely because it has to be, by nature, wholly derivative. It cannot come up with new things, other than that given to it by the user. Learning how to paint, for example, gives the artist the ability to present original thinking via their chosen medium
[2026-02-28 11:25:24] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| art is a very touchy subject when it comes to machine learning, largely because it has to be, by nature, wholly derivative. It cannot come up with new things, other than that given to it by the user. Learning how to paint, for example, gives the artist the ability to present original thinking via their chosen medium
[2026-02-28 11:25:29] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| is it that difficult to connect to the human soul behind AI generated artwork?
[2026-02-28 11:25:29] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| is it that difficult to connect to the human soul behind AI generated artwork?
[2026-02-28 11:25:36] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| but like i said earlier, theres use in this
[2026-02-28 11:25:36] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| but like i said earlier, theres use in this
[2026-02-28 11:25:42] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| we all know that a human did have to ideate it and convert it into something that the tool would accept
[2026-02-28 11:25:42] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| we all know that a human did have to ideate it and convert it into something that the tool would accept
[2026-02-28 11:25:54] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| back to Picasso again, he deliberately created (or commissioned to be made) a new oilpaint that dried matt, rather than glossy, for his anti-war stuff
[2026-02-28 11:25:54] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| back to Picasso again, he deliberately created (or commissioned to be made) a new oilpaint that dried matt, rather than glossy, for his anti-war stuff
[2026-02-28 11:26:44] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Hmm maybe because some including me would view just directing an ai to do it to not be as say skillful as learning to paint
[2026-02-28 11:26:44] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Hmm maybe because some including me would view just directing an ai to do it to not be as say skillful as learning to paint
[2026-02-28 11:26:47] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| and subjectively i would say that the art loses value when being so directly prescribed for a utility in this way
[2026-02-28 11:26:47] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| and subjectively i would say that the art loses value when being so directly prescribed for a utility in this way
[2026-02-28 11:27:05] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| picasso or not
[2026-02-28 11:27:05] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| picasso or not
[2026-02-28 11:27:07] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| the more abstracted the human input is, the harder it is naturally. myprediction is that humans will adapt to this and improve at "connecting" to the soul that is somewhere deep int he art in 200 yrs when everything is ai
[2026-02-28 11:27:07] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| the more abstracted the human input is, the harder it is naturally. myprediction is that humans will adapt to this and improve at "connecting" to the soul that is somewhere deep int he art in 200 yrs when everything is ai
[2026-02-28 11:27:14] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| So you consider Guernica valueless?
[2026-02-28 11:27:14] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| So you consider Guernica valueless?
[2026-02-28 11:27:30] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i never said anything about "valueless"
[2026-02-28 11:27:30] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i never said anything about "valueless"
[2026-02-28 11:27:43] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| its just less interesting in a way
[2026-02-28 11:27:43] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| its just less interesting in a way
[2026-02-28 11:27:54] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Can you elaborate?
[2026-02-28 11:27:54] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Can you elaborate?
[2026-02-28 11:27:59] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| for reference, guernica: https://www.artnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/8562495a.jpg?resize=400
[2026-02-28 11:27:59] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| for reference, guernica: https://www.artnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/8562495a.jpg?resize=400
[2026-02-28 11:28:01] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Trying to understand here lmao
[2026-02-28 11:28:01] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Trying to understand here lmao
[2026-02-28 11:28:35] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| that art if you take it as this symbolic expression of creativity is "flattened" when it is utilised
[2026-02-28 11:28:35] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| that art if you take it as this symbolic expression of creativity is "flattened" when it is utilised
[2026-02-28 11:28:43] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| like we said earlier you can actually define art in this way
[2026-02-28 11:28:43] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| like we said earlier you can actually define art in this way
[2026-02-28 11:28:49] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| sufficiently useless technologies
[2026-02-28 11:28:49] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| sufficiently useless technologies
[2026-02-28 11:29:37] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| once it is useful again, it steps away from being pure art
[2026-02-28 11:29:37] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| and steps into the gross world of utility and engineering
[2026-02-28 11:29:37] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| There is a middle ground
[2026-02-28 11:29:37] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| for sure
[2026-02-28 11:29:37] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| thats why i resisted the notion of it being valueless
[2026-02-28 11:29:38] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| once it is useful again, it steps away from being pure art
[2026-02-28 11:29:38] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| and steps into the gross world of utility and engineering
[2026-02-28 11:29:38] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| There is a middle ground
[2026-02-28 11:29:38] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| for sure
[2026-02-28 11:29:38] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| thats why i resisted the notion of it being valueless
[2026-02-28 11:29:43] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Political art comes to mind
[2026-02-28 11:29:43] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Political art comes to mind
[2026-02-28 11:29:46] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I don't think you understand the purpose of the art here. Guernica is not created *to be* an anti-war message, it's a reflection of Picasso's anti-war *stance*
[2026-02-28 11:29:46] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I don't think you understand the purpose of the art here. Guernica is not created *to be* an anti-war message, it's a reflection of Picasso's anti-war *stance*
[2026-02-28 11:29:48] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| since this artwork as we can see is not "obvious" anti war in a boring way like "pls stop war"
[2026-02-28 11:29:48] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| since this artwork as we can see is not "obvious" anti war in a boring way like "pls stop war"
[2026-02-28 11:30:02] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| But politics is such a cesspit i dont wanna dig into that
[2026-02-28 11:30:02] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| But politics is such a cesspit i dont wanna dig into that
[2026-02-28 11:30:11] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| thats what i mean, its good art, visually interesting
[2026-02-28 11:30:11] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| thats what i mean, its good art, visually interesting
[2026-02-28 11:30:25] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it has a hook im curious etc "i dont get it"
[2026-02-28 11:30:25] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it has a hook im curious etc "i dont get it"
[2026-02-28 11:30:33] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I mean, I fucking hate picasso, so ya
[2026-02-28 11:30:33] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I mean, I fucking hate picasso, so ya
[2026-02-28 11:30:36] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| once you see through it it is less interesting and becomes less artful i think in this way
[2026-02-28 11:30:36] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| once you see through it it is less interesting and becomes less artful i think in this way
[2026-02-28 11:30:38] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| but that's beside the point
[2026-02-28 11:30:38] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| but that's beside the point
[2026-02-28 11:30:44] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Does it really?
[2026-02-28 11:30:44] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Does it really?
[2026-02-28 11:30:49] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| I think its more artful
[2026-02-28 11:30:49] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| I think its more artful
[2026-02-28 11:30:50] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I'd certainly argue the opposite
[2026-02-28 11:30:50] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I'd certainly argue the opposite
[2026-02-28 11:30:52] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| It has a message
[2026-02-28 11:30:52] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| It has a message
[2026-02-28 11:31:03] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| It has actual meaning instead of noise
[2026-02-28 11:31:03] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| It has actual meaning instead of noise
[2026-02-28 11:31:06] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but there is *always* a message
[2026-02-28 11:31:06] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but there is *always* a message
[2026-02-28 11:31:09] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| how filtered is it?
[2026-02-28 11:31:09] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| how filtered is it?
[2026-02-28 11:31:20] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| can anyone see anything in it?
[2026-02-28 11:31:21] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| can anyone see anything in it?
[2026-02-28 11:31:26] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| you dont know the artists intention with the piece unless its explicitly stated which it almost never is
[2026-02-28 11:31:26] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| you dont know the artists intention with the piece unless its explicitly stated which it almost never is
[2026-02-28 11:31:29] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| does it reflect a composite back at the observer?
[2026-02-28 11:31:29] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| does it reflect a composite back at the observer?
[2026-02-28 11:31:42] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| youre judging its utility thru ur own interpretation
[2026-02-28 11:31:42] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| youre judging its utility thru ur own interpretation
[2026-02-28 11:31:50] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I mean, to be honest, art without meaning is largely useless to me. Van Gogh's sunflowers are pointless imo
[2026-02-28 11:31:50] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I mean, to be honest, art without meaning is largely useless to me. Van Gogh's sunflowers are pointless imo
[2026-02-28 11:32:03] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| yeah agree and thats why i think more educated readers can see art in practically anything
[2026-02-28 11:32:03] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| yeah agree and thats why i think more educated readers can see art in practically anything
[2026-02-28 11:32:10] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Art as a nice thing to look at is something i would like too
[2026-02-28 11:32:10] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Art as a nice thing to look at is something i would like too
[2026-02-28 11:32:34] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| "the artists intentions" might not even be present in the works
[2026-02-28 11:32:34] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| "the artists intentions" might not even be present in the works
[2026-02-28 11:32:40] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it might be channeling something else entirely
[2026-02-28 11:32:40] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it might be channeling something else entirely
[2026-02-28 11:32:45] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| I mean having cool thing to look at make brain go woo cool is always gonna be there
[2026-02-28 11:32:46] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| I mean having cool thing to look at make brain go woo cool is always gonna be there
[2026-02-28 11:33:03] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but the novelty algorithm has to continually evolve
[2026-02-28 11:33:04] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but the novelty algorithm has to continually evolve
[2026-02-28 11:33:12] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Pattern matching brain?
[2026-02-28 11:33:12] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Pattern matching brain?
[2026-02-28 11:33:14] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| There's also something rather profound about looking at a work created by hand, by a person long dead, and seeing a glimpse of what made them *them*
[2026-02-28 11:33:14] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| There's also something rather profound about looking at a work created by hand, by a person long dead, and seeing a glimpse of what made them *them*
[2026-02-28 11:33:15] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| for it to still be "woo cool" instead of "oh again boring"
[2026-02-28 11:33:15] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| for it to still be "woo cool" instead of "oh again boring"
[2026-02-28 11:33:45] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Its boring to you because potentially you saw it a million times
[2026-02-28 11:33:45] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Its boring to you because potentially you saw it a million times
[2026-02-28 11:33:51] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| And potentially brushed it off
[2026-02-28 11:33:51] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| And potentially brushed it off
[2026-02-28 11:34:08] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| well not me per se but society generally
[2026-02-28 11:34:09] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| well not me per se but society generally
[2026-02-28 11:34:20] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| our interconnected nature ruins the novelty at increasingly blistering rates
[2026-02-28 11:34:20] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| our interconnected nature ruins the novelty at increasingly blistering rates
[2026-02-28 11:34:47] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i see something and im like "wow" then im forced to react with society to it in tandem thousands of times over
[2026-02-28 11:34:47] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i see something and im like "wow" then im forced to react with society to it in tandem thousands of times over
[2026-02-28 11:34:56] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this is an extreme example but i hope you can relate
[2026-02-28 11:34:56] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this is an extreme example but i hope you can relate
[2026-02-28 11:35:06] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I have a painting in my bedroom painted by my great great aunt, whom was quite unpopular with the rest of the family because she opposed both wars. Not adding to the discussion here, just interesting seeing an aspect of a part of my family I thought largely irredeemable
[2026-02-28 11:35:06] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I have a painting in my bedroom painted by my great great aunt, whom was quite unpopular with the rest of the family because she opposed both wars. Not adding to the discussion here, just interesting seeing an aspect of a part of my family I thought largely irredeemable
[2026-02-28 11:35:27] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| she died in the fifties iirc
[2026-02-28 11:35:27] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| she died in the fifties iirc
[2026-02-28 11:35:38] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| that's sweet
[2026-02-28 11:35:38] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| that's sweet
[2026-02-28 11:35:45] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| my grandpa had a ton of oil paintings of himself
[2026-02-28 11:35:45] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| my grandpa had a ton of oil paintings of himself
[2026-02-28 11:35:51] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| The two wars thought to be the end of it all huh
[2026-02-28 11:35:51] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| The two wars thought to be the end of it all huh
[2026-02-28 11:35:52] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i always found it strange
[2026-02-28 11:35:52] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i always found it strange
[2026-02-28 11:36:15] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but now after he's passed they hit differently
[2026-02-28 11:36:16] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but now after he's passed they hit differently
[2026-02-28 11:36:28] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| he wears his uniform in the paintings, clear this is how we wished to be remembered
[2026-02-28 11:36:28] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| he wears his uniform in the paintings, clear this is how we wished to be remembered
[2026-02-28 11:36:32] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| It's less sweet when one is told that her son and my great grandfather, very  close cousins growing up, drove the trains. *those* trains.
[2026-02-28 11:36:32] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| It's less sweet when one is told that her son and my great grandfather, very  close cousins growing up, drove the trains. *those* trains.
[2026-02-28 11:36:36] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| there is value in this grief
[2026-02-28 11:36:36] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| there is value in this grief
[2026-02-28 11:36:44] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but deli this is part of the larger point
[2026-02-28 11:36:44] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but deli this is part of the larger point
[2026-02-28 11:36:47] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| life is... complicated
[2026-02-28 11:36:47] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| life is... complicated
[2026-02-28 11:36:50] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| well yes
[2026-02-28 11:36:50] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| well yes
[2026-02-28 11:37:34] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| you know its not as simple as "irredeemable"
[2026-02-28 11:37:34] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| In later life he seemed rather regretful abotu the whole thing
[2026-02-28 11:37:34] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| there were things left unsaid at every stage
[2026-02-28 11:37:34] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| He was a train driver who signed up to the SS
[2026-02-28 11:37:34] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I mean...
[2026-02-28 11:37:41] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Ah
[2026-02-28 11:37:47] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| you know its not as simple as "irredeemable"
[2026-02-28 11:37:47] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| In later life he seemed rather regretful abotu the whole thing
[2026-02-28 11:37:47] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| there were things left unsaid at every stage
[2026-02-28 11:37:47] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| He was a train driver who signed up to the SS
[2026-02-28 11:37:47] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I mean...
[2026-02-28 11:37:47] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Ah
[2026-02-28 11:37:53] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| what do you mean
[2026-02-28 11:37:53] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| what do you mean
[2026-02-28 11:37:53] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Touchy one huh
[2026-02-28 11:37:53] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Touchy one huh
[2026-02-28 11:37:57] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Gl syn
[2026-02-28 11:37:57] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Gl syn
[2026-02-28 11:38:02] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| we are all guided by information at hand
[2026-02-28 11:38:02] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| we are all guided by information at hand
[2026-02-28 11:38:05] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| im not saying its right
[2026-02-28 11:38:05] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| im not saying its right
[2026-02-28 11:38:10] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| but anyway, GGA was never really "with" the family after that
[2026-02-28 11:38:10] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| but anyway, GGA was never really "with" the family after that
[2026-02-28 11:38:31] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but im saying it is rich of you to look back and judge in a way with information they did not have
[2026-02-28 11:38:31] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but im saying it is rich of you to look back and judge in a way with information they did not have
[2026-02-28 11:38:32] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I have some diaries form her somwhere. Probably down in teh Leicester house
[2026-02-28 11:38:32] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I have some diaries form her somwhere. Probably down in teh Leicester house
[2026-02-28 11:38:39] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Uh...
[2026-02-28 11:38:39] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Uh...
[2026-02-28 11:38:52] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| The SS were... pretty obvious about who they were
[2026-02-28 11:38:52] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| The SS were... pretty obvious about who they were
[2026-02-28 11:39:04] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| dont bring the specifics in you know this gets messy
[2026-02-28 11:39:04] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| dont bring the specifics in you know this gets messy
[2026-02-28 11:39:10] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| im trying to keep it abstract for the art
[2026-02-28 11:39:10] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| im trying to keep it abstract for the art
[2026-02-28 11:39:16] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I have his eagle pin thing somewhere actually
[2026-02-28 11:39:16] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I have his eagle pin thing somewhere actually
[2026-02-28 11:39:25] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| the art is the in complex personal relationship to morality and all these things unsaid
[2026-02-28 11:39:25] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| the art is the in complex personal relationship to morality and all these things unsaid
[2026-02-28 11:39:31] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| that if manifested into art would surely be interesting
[2026-02-28 11:39:31] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| that if manifested into art would surely be interesting
[2026-02-28 11:39:43] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Did you know the reason he went in there
[2026-02-28 11:39:43] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Did you know the reason he went in there
[2026-02-28 11:39:44] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| the psychology of decision making generally when enumerated properly is interesting
[2026-02-28 11:39:44] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| the psychology of decision making generally when enumerated properly is interesting
[2026-02-28 11:40:15] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| anyway, yeah, I just thoguht it was an interesting insight into people long dead. She painted a landscape of Mindelheim pre-bombings. It's really quite a nice cityscape
[2026-02-28 11:40:16] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| anyway, yeah, I just thoguht it was an interesting insight into people long dead. She painted a landscape of Mindelheim pre-bombings. It's really quite a nice cityscape
[2026-02-28 11:40:30] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| super accurate too, afaict. No abstraction there
[2026-02-28 11:40:30] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| super accurate too, afaict. No abstraction there
[2026-02-28 11:40:44] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| It does make me ownder if ASD runs in my family
[2026-02-28 11:40:44] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| It does make me ownder if ASD runs in my family
[2026-02-28 11:40:51] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| hah
[2026-02-28 11:40:51] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| hah
[2026-02-28 11:41:01] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i had the exact same thought when I found my grandfathers paintings
[2026-02-28 11:41:01] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i had the exact same thought when I found my grandfathers paintings
[2026-02-28 11:41:05] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| well, I got it, pretty sure my mother is, as is me granda
[2026-02-28 11:41:05] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| well, I got it, pretty sure my mother is, as is me granda
[2026-02-28 11:41:11] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| dunno about oma or opa
[2026-02-28 11:41:11] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| dunno about oma or opa
[2026-02-28 11:41:15] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Being touched by the tism is generally a genetic thing
[2026-02-28 11:41:15] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Being touched by the tism is generally a genetic thing
[2026-02-28 11:41:17] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Dad?
[2026-02-28 11:41:18] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Dad?
[2026-02-28 11:41:19] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Mom?
[2026-02-28 11:41:19] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Mom?
[2026-02-28 11:41:34] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| no. Technically grosse opa/oma, but I only ever knew them as oma/opa
[2026-02-28 11:41:34] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| no. Technically grosse opa/oma, but I only ever knew them as oma/opa
[2026-02-28 11:41:37] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| grandparents
[2026-02-28 11:41:37] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| grandparents
[2026-02-28 11:41:44] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| but for mne, great grandparetns
[2026-02-28 11:41:44] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| but for mne, great grandparetns
[2026-02-28 11:42:17] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Any direct evidence closer to your leaf on the family tree?
[2026-02-28 11:42:17] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Any direct evidence closer to your leaf on the family tree?
[2026-02-28 11:42:33] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Huh. I just thought of something. I wonder if my grandfather was the way he was because he spent a lot of his life trying to make up for the sins of his father
[2026-02-28 11:42:34] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Huh. I just thought of something. I wonder if my grandfather was the way he was because he spent a lot of his life trying to make up for the sins of his father
[2026-02-28 11:42:47] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| personally i still couldnt ever judge someone from my high horse as syn suggestd
[2026-02-28 11:42:47] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| personally i still couldnt ever judge someone from my high horse as syn suggestd
[2026-02-28 11:43:04] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| well ya, that's the pattern - me, my mother, my grandfather. Dunno about before that
[2026-02-28 11:43:04] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| well ya, that's the pattern - me, my mother, my grandfather. Dunno about before that
[2026-02-28 11:43:23] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Hmm
[2026-02-28 11:43:24] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Hmm
[2026-02-28 11:43:31] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Seems likely enough
[2026-02-28 11:43:31] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Seems likely enough
[2026-02-28 11:43:43] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| The SS were the first to start proclaiming the devilry of the "jewish race" in teh 1930's
[2026-02-28 11:43:43] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| The SS were the first to start proclaiming the devilry of the "jewish race" in teh 1930's
[2026-02-28 11:43:52] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| and I mean *early* 1930's
[2026-02-28 11:43:52] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| and I mean *early* 1930's
[2026-02-28 11:44:03] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| joining them was definitely a choice
[2026-02-28 11:44:03] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| joining them was definitely a choice
[2026-02-28 11:44:25] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Complicated huh
[2026-02-28 11:44:25] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Complicated huh
[2026-02-28 11:45:01] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| anyway, what was also interesting was oma, who made hats all her life. I have a few of them
[2026-02-28 11:45:01] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Oh well thats what humans are known for
[2026-02-28 11:45:01] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I even have one she made for Eva Braun
[2026-02-28 11:45:05] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Did she get the disease hatters back in the day usually made?
[2026-02-28 11:45:18] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| anyway, what was also interesting was oma, who made hats all her life. I have a few of them
[2026-02-28 11:45:18] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Oh well thats what humans are known for
[2026-02-28 11:45:18] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I even have one she made for Eva Braun
[2026-02-28 11:45:18] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Did she get the disease hatters back in the day usually made?
[2026-02-28 11:45:55] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| No, mercury poisoning was less common in Germany
[2026-02-28 11:45:55] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| No, mercury poisoning was less common in Germany
[2026-02-28 11:46:22] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Usually more likely for hatters making fur hats I think
[2026-02-28 11:46:22] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Usually more likely for hatters making fur hats I think
[2026-02-28 11:46:36] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| ive been into the roots of fascism the past few days
[2026-02-28 11:46:36] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| ive been into the roots of fascism the past few days
[2026-02-28 11:46:39] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| in post ww1 italy
[2026-02-28 11:46:39] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| in post ww1 italy
[2026-02-28 11:46:59] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| so why do you think the majority of germany (50-70% is mostly agreed) were in support of the overall regime?
[2026-02-28 11:46:59] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| so why do you think the majority of germany (50-70% is mostly agreed) were in support of the overall regime?
[2026-02-28 11:47:02] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| its hard to really contextualise how little information everyone had
[2026-02-28 11:47:02] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| its hard to really contextualise how little information everyone had
[2026-02-28 11:47:18] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Before the internet
[2026-02-28 11:47:18] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Before the internet
[2026-02-28 11:47:25] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Book burnings common
[2026-02-28 11:47:25] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Book burnings common
[2026-02-28 11:47:44] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Using vibes instead of actual cold hard facts and info
[2026-02-28 11:47:44] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Using vibes instead of actual cold hard facts and info
[2026-02-28 11:48:17] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| its a certain type of thinking that are particularly attached to the tools and forms of aesthetics and art
[2026-02-28 11:48:17] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| its a certain type of thinking that are particularly attached to the tools and forms of aesthetics and art
[2026-02-28 11:48:28] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Nationalism is my guess. A good case study would be america atm
[2026-02-28 11:48:28] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Nationalism is my guess. A good case study would be america atm
[2026-02-28 11:48:33] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| they smuggle in presuppositions with their fancy logos
[2026-02-28 11:48:33] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| they smuggle in presuppositions with their fancy logos
[2026-02-28 11:48:57] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| That's *super* easy. 
[2026-02-28 11:48:57] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| That's *super* easy. 
[2026-02-28 11:48:57] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Hitler employed a significant amount of populism in his early campaigns. This, combined with presenting a minority as a responsible party, served as a vehicle to propel him into leadership by idealisng himself as trhe "saviour". Bear in mind, Germany is piss-poor at this point, because reparations and the confisacations of lands and infrastructure have basically knocked the economy flat
[2026-02-28 11:48:57] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Hitler employed a significant amount of populism in his early campaigns. This, combined with presenting a minority as a responsible party, served as a vehicle to propel him into leadership by idealisng himself as trhe "saviour". Bear in mind, Germany is piss-poor at this point, because reparations and the confisacations of lands and infrastructure have basically knocked the economy flat
[2026-02-28 11:49:16] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| But instead of fancy logos its “tradition” and “history”
[2026-02-28 11:49:16] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| But instead of fancy logos its “tradition” and “history”
[2026-02-28 11:49:26] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| In short, "Hitler will sort things out" was the line of thinking
[2026-02-28 11:49:26] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| In short, "Hitler will sort things out" was the line of thinking
[2026-02-28 11:49:35] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| >  Germany is piss-poor at this point, 
[2026-02-28 11:49:35] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| >  Germany is piss-poor at this point, 
[2026-02-28 11:49:36] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this did indeed bring a fairly natural form of resentment
[2026-02-28 11:49:36] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this did indeed bring a fairly natural form of resentment
[2026-02-28 11:49:46] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| and when you're struggling to put bread on the table, you'll jump at any opportunity
[2026-02-28 11:49:46] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| and when you're struggling to put bread on the table, you'll jump at any opportunity
[2026-02-28 11:49:58] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Ah so “make america great again”
[2026-02-28 11:49:58] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Ah so “make america great again”
[2026-02-28 11:49:58] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| we are today reckoning with the treaty of versailles and others at being potentially very inflammatory factors
[2026-02-28 11:49:58] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| we are today reckoning with the treaty of versailles and others at being potentially very inflammatory factors
[2026-02-28 11:50:34] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it its easy to externalise yourself from this and assume moral superiority
[2026-02-28 11:50:34] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it its easy to externalise yourself from this and assume moral superiority
[2026-02-28 11:50:35] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| yes, but like 100x
[2026-02-28 11:50:35] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| yes, but like 100x
[2026-02-28 11:51:21] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but its a reckoning with the human condition generally
[2026-02-28 11:51:21] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but its a reckoning with the human condition generally
[2026-02-28 11:51:30] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| a case study in our ability to hate and resent
[2026-02-28 11:51:30] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| a case study in our ability to hate and resent
[2026-02-28 11:51:32] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| yeah, and + the fear of communism / soviet union
[2026-02-28 11:51:32] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| yeah, and + the fear of communism / soviet union
[2026-02-28 11:51:32] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| which is why im hesitant to judge your great grandfather
[2026-02-28 11:51:32] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| which is why im hesitant to judge your great grandfather
[2026-02-28 11:51:52] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Meh. I don't think that was a fear that went any further than the upper classes
[2026-02-28 11:51:52] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Meh. I don't think that was a fear that went any further than the upper classes
[2026-02-28 11:52:09] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| im not so sure
[2026-02-28 11:52:09] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| im not so sure
[2026-02-28 11:52:10] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| if you're on the breadline on teh reg you're prolly not thinking about geopolitics too much
[2026-02-28 11:52:10] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| if you're on the breadline on teh reg you're prolly not thinking about geopolitics too much
[2026-02-28 11:52:25] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I say that as someone who has been on the breadline
[2026-02-28 11:52:25] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I say that as someone who has been on the breadline
[2026-02-28 11:52:29] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| at least subjectively you can see in england that nationalism does really well with the coral/betfred types
[2026-02-28 11:52:29] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| at least subjectively you can see in england that nationalism does really well with the coral/betfred types
[2026-02-28 11:53:38] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| you can argue this is a downstream function of the elites quite fairly though
[2026-02-28 11:53:38] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| not really. It's the same argument again, "the other". In this case, "the other" happens to be brown
[2026-02-28 11:53:38] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Although yes, in *some* aspects it's a bit top-down
[2026-02-28 11:53:38] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| yeah but im saying this mindset gets the average citizen just fine
[2026-02-28 11:53:38] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| not just the elites
[2026-02-28 11:53:40] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM2o9e-pwoE
[2026-02-28 11:53:42] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| you can argue this is a downstream function of the elites quite fairly though
[2026-02-28 11:53:42] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| not really. It's the same argument again, "the other". In this case, "the other" happens to be brown
[2026-02-28 11:53:42] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Although yes, in *some* aspects it's a bit top-down
[2026-02-28 11:53:42] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| yeah but im saying this mindset gets the average citizen just fine
[2026-02-28 11:53:42] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| not just the elites
[2026-02-28 11:53:42] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM2o9e-pwoE
[2026-02-28 11:53:46] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:Taco| i feel like since i last popped in here the subject has changed
[2026-02-28 11:53:46] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:Taco| i feel like since i last popped in here the subject has changed
[2026-02-28 11:53:47] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| i found this interesting
[2026-02-28 11:53:47] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| i found this interesting
[2026-02-28 11:53:59] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| mans really just shared lobster
[2026-02-28 11:53:59] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| mans really just shared lobster
[2026-02-28 11:54:00] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| art has timeless links to fascism tbf
[2026-02-28 11:54:00] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| art has timeless links to fascism tbf
[2026-02-28 11:54:11] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| It moved to darker waters
[2026-02-28 11:54:11] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| It moved to darker waters
[2026-02-28 11:54:12] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| ellis bb wat u doin
[2026-02-28 11:54:12] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| ellis bb wat u doin
[2026-02-28 11:54:14] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:Taco| what
[2026-02-28 11:54:14] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:Taco| what
[2026-02-28 11:54:27] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| JP is a fucking hack
[2026-02-28 11:54:27] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| JP is a fucking hack
[2026-02-28 11:54:29] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| aesthetics promote in a way words fail to do
[2026-02-28 11:54:30] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| aesthetics promote in a way words fail to do
[2026-02-28 11:54:30] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| I tried to steer it into whiter waters
[2026-02-28 11:54:30] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| I tried to steer it into whiter waters
[2026-02-28 11:54:31] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:Taco| oh you were discussing art or something
[2026-02-28 11:54:31] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:Taco| oh you were discussing art or something
[2026-02-28 11:55:11] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| But eh
[2026-02-28 11:55:11] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| yea
[2026-02-28 11:55:11] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| JP has a lot of good stuff
[2026-02-28 11:55:11] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| so does Jesus
[2026-02-28 11:55:11] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| oh so you cant seperate art from artist lol
[2026-02-28 11:55:11] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| anyway, I think htis tangent is mostly my fault, so I'm gonna depart for a bit
[2026-02-28 11:55:11] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| dont throw out the baby with the bathwater deli
[2026-02-28 11:55:11] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Wheres frosti when i need him to steer this in a lewder direction
[2026-02-28 11:55:11] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| mans is like, the definition of mtgow
[2026-02-28 11:55:14] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| But eh
[2026-02-28 11:55:14] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| yea
[2026-02-28 11:55:14] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| JP has a lot of good stuff
[2026-02-28 11:55:14] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| so does Jesus
[2026-02-28 11:55:14] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| oh so you cant seperate art from artist lol
[2026-02-28 11:55:14] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| anyway, I think htis tangent is mostly my fault, so I'm gonna depart for a bit
[2026-02-28 11:55:14] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| dont throw out the baby with the bathwater deli
[2026-02-28 11:55:14] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Wheres frosti when i need him to steer this in a lewder direction
[2026-02-28 11:55:14] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| mans is like, the definition of mtgow
[2026-02-28 11:55:25] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| immediately throwing out an interesting video because of your preconceptions
[2026-02-28 11:55:25] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| immediately throwing out an interesting video because of your preconceptions
[2026-02-28 11:55:38] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Oh I;ve seen a substantial amount of him
[2026-02-28 11:55:38] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Oh I;ve seen a substantial amount of him
[2026-02-28 11:55:46] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| yeah, hence your preconceptions
[2026-02-28 11:55:46] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| yeah, hence your preconceptions
[2026-02-28 11:56:25] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| if you have a critique of the video then im all ears
[2026-02-28 11:56:25] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| if you have a critique of the video then im all ears
[2026-02-28 11:56:33] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| you do something ling enough, it becomes your character. JP outed himself over a decade ago, and then kept digging
[2026-02-28 11:56:33] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| you do something ling enough, it becomes your character. JP outed himself over a decade ago, and then kept digging
[2026-02-28 11:56:41] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| anyway
[2026-02-28 11:56:41] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| anyway
[2026-02-28 11:56:44] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| if you have a critique of his character i dont really care
[2026-02-28 11:56:44] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| if you have a critique of his character i dont really care
[2026-02-28 11:56:48] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| i never said i liked him either
[2026-02-28 11:56:48] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| i never said i liked him either
[2026-02-28 11:57:32] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| are you the type to say hitler sucked at painting lol?
[2026-02-28 11:57:32] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| are you the type to say hitler sucked at painting lol?
[2026-02-28 11:58:53] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| they're mostly pretty ok tbh, just nothing outstanding. Except maybe haus mit weissem zaun, which if that had been his predominant style, would have propelled him to fame
[2026-02-28 11:58:53] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| they're mostly pretty ok tbh, just nothing outstanding. Except maybe haus mit weissem zaun, which if that had been his predominant style, would have propelled him to fame
[2026-02-28 11:58:55] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| was he a skilled painter?
[2026-02-28 11:58:55] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| was he a skilled painter?
[2026-02-28 11:59:15] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i mean the art is ok to look at but when i look closely at the scale of the building i cant help but notice it looks a little slanted
[2026-02-28 11:59:15] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i mean the art is ok to look at but when i look closely at the scale of the building i cant help but notice it looks a little slanted
[2026-02-28 11:59:48] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| could you paint like him?
[2026-02-28 11:59:48] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| could you paint like him?
[2026-02-28 11:59:48] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Does he paint people?
[2026-02-28 11:59:49] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Does he paint people?
[2026-02-28 12:00:09] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1477349667879518490/image.png?ex=69a47098&is=69a31f18&hm=5c9a93730ebc2005b05e599339a8a1edb52c22d7ebc075a3e03c65d1c6049ed3&
[2026-02-28 12:00:09] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1477349667879518490/image.png?ex=69a47098&is=69a31f18&hm=5c9a93730ebc2005b05e599339a8a1edb52c22d7ebc075a3e03c65d1c6049ed3&
[2026-02-28 12:00:12] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| bendy pillar
[2026-02-28 12:00:12] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| bendy pillar
[2026-02-28 12:00:13] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1477349683331596490/image.png?ex=69a4709c&is=69a31f1c&hm=c522f4b37be8643da28a6a39dc6f900eb301a60848255f07883a291224b50619&
[2026-02-28 12:00:13] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1477349683331596490/image.png?ex=69a4709c&is=69a31f1c&hm=c522f4b37be8643da28a6a39dc6f900eb301a60848255f07883a291224b50619&
[2026-02-28 12:00:24] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| lol what
[2026-02-28 12:00:24] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| lol what
[2026-02-28 12:00:29] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| just me?
[2026-02-28 12:00:29] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| just me?
[2026-02-28 12:00:31] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it looks bent
[2026-02-28 12:00:31] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it looks bent
[2026-02-28 12:00:40] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| if youre friend painted that would you make that comment
[2026-02-28 12:00:40] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| if youre friend painted that would you make that comment
[2026-02-28 12:00:56] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| no i mean im saying as far as the meta of his time goes
[2026-02-28 12:00:56] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| no i mean im saying as far as the meta of his time goes
[2026-02-28 12:00:58] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| im not a good judge
[2026-02-28 12:00:58] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| im not a good judge
[2026-02-28 12:01:04] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Does hitler paint like portraits
[2026-02-28 12:01:05] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Does hitler paint like portraits
[2026-02-28 12:01:05] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| like sure it looks good but like my bar for art is very low
[2026-02-28 12:01:05] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| like sure it looks good but like my bar for art is very low
[2026-02-28 12:01:13] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Especially caricature
[2026-02-28 12:01:13] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Especially caricature
[2026-02-28 12:01:29] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but like if this is the standard for what artists produce around this time
[2026-02-28 12:01:29] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but like if this is the standard for what artists produce around this time
[2026-02-28 12:01:41] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| im saying in context im just not sure he was "great"
[2026-02-28 12:01:42] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| im saying in context im just not sure he was "great"
[2026-02-28 12:02:09] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:Taco| hitler could never play tron like you though
[2026-02-28 12:02:09] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:Taco| hitler could never play tron like you though
[2026-02-28 12:02:09] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| well my original question was did hitler suck
[2026-02-28 12:02:09] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| well my original question was did hitler suck
[2026-02-28 12:02:14] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| at painting
[2026-02-28 12:02:14] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| at painting
[2026-02-28 12:02:15] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:Taco| LOL!
[2026-02-28 12:02:15] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:Taco| LOL!
[2026-02-28 12:02:21] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| He just needs bob ross
[2026-02-28 12:02:21] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| He just needs bob ross
[2026-02-28 12:02:54] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| and  my point was trying to illuminate to deli that his emotions and preconceptions seem to be stopping him from learning things or appreciating or consuming things that could end up being useful to him. the connection there was that same emotional lense that people look through when they are so critical of hitlers paintings just because its hitler
[2026-02-28 12:02:54] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| and  my point was trying to illuminate to deli that his emotions and preconceptions seem to be stopping him from learning things or appreciating or consuming things that could end up being useful to him. the connection there was that same emotional lense that people look through when they are so critical of hitlers paintings just because its hitler
[2026-02-28 12:03:47] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| yea first point is totally fair but i think in the latter point moreso the opposite
[2026-02-28 12:03:47] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| yea first point is totally fair but i think in the latter point moreso the opposite
[2026-02-28 12:03:56] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| that people look and evaluate this random art for no reason other than hitler made it
[2026-02-28 12:03:56] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| that people look and evaluate this random art for no reason other than hitler made it
[2026-02-28 12:04:08] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| true
[2026-02-28 12:04:08] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| true
[2026-02-28 12:04:13] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| maybe a bad example
[2026-02-28 12:04:13] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| maybe a bad example
[2026-02-28 12:04:37] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| although yes people consume it much more but they are also much more biased against it
[2026-02-28 12:04:37] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| although yes people consume it much more but they are also much more biased against it
[2026-02-28 12:04:40] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| maybe it is also sick lol
[2026-02-28 12:04:40] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| maybe it is also sick lol
[2026-02-28 12:05:11] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| i found it interesting that, as far as painting goes, its so extremely bland
[2026-02-28 12:05:11] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| i found it interesting that, as far as painting goes, its so extremely bland
[2026-02-28 12:05:14] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| coming from such a person
[2026-02-28 12:05:14] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| coming from such a person
[2026-02-28 12:05:43] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| like the most psychotic insane person is doing these landscapes which is maybe one of the least creative things you could paint
[2026-02-28 12:05:43] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| like the most psychotic insane person is doing these landscapes which is maybe one of the least creative things you could paint
[2026-02-28 12:06:02] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| and the random chill dudes at art exhibits are doing the most freakish psychotic paintings ever
[2026-02-28 12:06:02] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| and the random chill dudes at art exhibits are doing the most freakish psychotic paintings ever
[2026-02-28 12:06:17] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i think it’s probably capturing his idea of “bliss” in a way
[2026-02-28 12:06:17] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i think it’s probably capturing his idea of “bliss” in a way
[2026-02-28 12:06:33] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| like calling back to tradition and a basic life
[2026-02-28 12:06:33] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| like calling back to tradition and a basic life
[2026-02-28 12:06:36] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| yea
[2026-02-28 12:06:36] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| yea
[2026-02-28 12:06:45] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| resentful of the way the world is changing
[2026-02-28 12:06:45] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| resentful of the way the world is changing
[2026-02-28 12:07:38] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Well i flip flop between
[2026-02-28 12:07:38] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Well i flip flop between
[2026-02-28 12:07:43] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| What does that make me
[2026-02-28 12:07:43] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| What does that make me
[2026-02-28 12:08:14] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:Taco| this just keeps going
[2026-02-28 12:08:14] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:Taco| this just keeps going
[2026-02-28 12:08:16] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:Taco| i gotta ask
[2026-02-28 12:08:16] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:Taco| i gotta ask
[2026-02-28 12:08:17] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:Taco| how did this start
[2026-02-28 12:08:17] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:Taco| how did this start
[2026-02-28 12:08:24] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:Taco| wtf even was the first. discussion
[2026-02-28 12:08:24] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:Taco| wtf even was the first. discussion
[2026-02-28 12:08:55] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| It never ends
[2026-02-28 12:08:55] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| It never ends
[2026-02-28 12:09:07] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:Taco| The end is never the end is never....
[2026-02-28 12:09:07] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:Taco| The end is never the end is never....
[2026-02-28 12:09:09] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Embrace the hivemind oh fragile cat
[2026-02-28 12:09:10] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Embrace the hivemind oh fragile cat
[2026-02-28 12:09:24] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| there is no conclusion here
[2026-02-28 12:09:24] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| there is no conclusion here
[2026-02-28 12:09:30] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this is the frontline of culture
[2026-02-28 12:09:31] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this is the frontline of culture
[2026-02-28 12:09:35] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| we just say shit
[2026-02-28 12:09:35] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| we just say shit
[2026-02-28 12:09:45] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Embrace it
[2026-02-28 12:09:45] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Embrace it
[2026-02-28 12:09:51] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| The hivemind
[2026-02-28 12:09:51] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| The hivemind
[2026-02-28 12:10:09] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:Taco| i have fully embraced checking into this chat and seeing some fucking insane discussion
[2026-02-28 12:10:10] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:Taco| i have fully embraced checking into this chat and seeing some fucking insane discussion
[2026-02-28 12:10:19] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Goodb
[2026-02-28 12:10:19] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Goodb
[2026-02-28 12:10:28] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Join in
[2026-02-28 12:10:28] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Join in
[2026-02-28 12:10:36] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Join in our madness
[2026-02-28 12:10:36] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Join in our madness
[2026-02-28 12:16:49] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| untangling some of these ideas is hard
[2026-02-28 12:16:49] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| untangling some of these ideas is hard
[2026-02-28 12:16:58] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but worth it
[2026-02-28 12:16:58] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but worth it
[2026-02-28 12:17:21] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:Taco| it was about a month after i joined
[2026-02-28 12:17:21] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:Taco| it was about a month after i joined
[2026-02-28 12:17:23] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:Taco| where i realised that
[2026-02-28 12:17:23] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:Taco| where i realised that
[2026-02-28 12:17:26] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:Taco| if i saw syn in chat
[2026-02-28 12:17:26] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:Taco| if i saw syn in chat
[2026-02-28 12:17:32] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:Taco| i had to get my braincells active
[2026-02-28 12:17:32] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:Taco| i had to get my braincells active
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