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[2025-10-22 04:04:17] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| https://openai.com/index/introducing-chatgpt-atlas/
[2025-10-22 04:04:17] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| https://openai.com/index/introducing-chatgpt-atlas/
[2025-10-22 04:04:17] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| will be giving this a go today
[2025-10-22 04:04:17] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| will be giving this a go today
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[2025-10-22 06:59:13] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:.hedgehogg.| this cant be real
[2025-10-22 06:59:13] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:.hedgehogg.| this cant be real
[2025-10-22 06:59:30] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| It is real and it's actually very cool
[2025-10-22 06:59:30] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| It is real and it's actually very cool
[2025-10-22 07:00:59] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1430511248176320512/image.png?ex=68fa0aeb&is=68f8b96b&hm=19efa5e63980acdd77beaa728e5a1cafe1ed0672ce83c7a29c5ea54c021693f5&
[2025-10-22 07:00:59] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1430511248176320512/image.png?ex=68fa0aeb&is=68f8b96b&hm=19efa5e63980acdd77beaa728e5a1cafe1ed0672ce83c7a29c5ea54c021693f5&
[2025-10-22 07:01:19] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1430511333413228716/image.png?ex=68fa0aff&is=68f8b97f&hm=3a5cdca00e2a68083b50959645eebfed4d1e28b2bfe1a9c7a2ce00e1057fe45e&
[2025-10-22 07:01:20] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1430511333413228716/image.png?ex=68fa0aff&is=68f8b97f&hm=3a5cdca00e2a68083b50959645eebfed4d1e28b2bfe1a9c7a2ce00e1057fe45e&
[2025-10-22 07:01:34] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| You can use it to test out websites, get info, take actions
[2025-10-22 07:01:34] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| You can use it to test out websites, get info, take actions
[2025-10-22 07:01:39] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| I have a feeling this will take off
[2025-10-22 07:01:40] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| I have a feeling this will take off
[2025-10-22 07:11:23] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Not without a huge marketing push. Chrome has like, 70% of the market share, if not more
[2025-10-22 07:11:23] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Not without a huge marketing push. Chrome has like, 70% of the market share, if not more
[2025-10-22 07:11:49] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Google isn't going to want to give that up, not without hte absurd amount of data tthey can pull from it
[2025-10-22 07:11:49] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Google isn't going to want to give that up, not without hte absurd amount of data tthey can pull from it
[2025-10-22 07:12:48] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| plus, with google's own slop merchant, they're more likely ot take a mozilla route and start incorporating gemini calls into it. That's if they haven't done so already.
[2025-10-22 07:12:48] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| plus, with google's own slop merchant, they're more likely ot take a mozilla route and start incorporating gemini calls into it. That's if they haven't done so already.
[2025-10-22 07:14:20] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| AI browsers have already begun to take off
[2025-10-22 07:14:20] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| AI browsers have already begun to take off
[2025-10-22 07:14:30] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| This is *the*AI browser
[2025-10-22 07:14:31] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| This is *the*AI browser
[2025-10-22 07:14:47] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| sure market share for chrome is high but have you seen general gen ai market share
[2025-10-22 07:14:47] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| sure market share for chrome is high but have you seen general gen ai market share
[2025-10-22 07:15:53] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1430514996319617094/AI-Chatbot-Market-Share_website_Aug5.png?ex=68fa0e68&is=68f8bce8&hm=e33a5e0c1b82e78c0371eed95a3f683c55c7107c75dcb88305884c29c168c39a&
[2025-10-22 07:15:53] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1430514996319617094/AI-Chatbot-Market-Share_website_Aug5.png?ex=68fa0e68&is=68f8bce8&hm=e33a5e0c1b82e78c0371eed95a3f683c55c7107c75dcb88305884c29c168c39a&
[2025-10-22 07:16:03] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Even if chrome integrates gemini I see this standing tall alongside it
[2025-10-22 07:16:03] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Even if chrome integrates gemini I see this standing tall alongside it
[2025-10-22 07:16:13] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| And they will have to do so, quickly
[2025-10-22 07:16:13] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| And they will have to do so, quickly
[2025-10-22 07:17:01] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| I hear "chatgpt" in my office from other companies on a near hourly basis
[2025-10-22 07:17:01] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| I hear "chatgpt" in my office from other companies on a near hourly basis
[2025-10-22 07:17:38] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| It's now the 5th most visited website in the world, a ridiculous stat given it's only been up for a couple years
[2025-10-22 07:17:38] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| It's now the 5th most visited website in the world, a ridiculous stat given it's only been up for a couple years
[2025-10-22 07:19:48] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Depends on the audience. And the implementation. Mozilla erred in their implementation, in part because of their audience. Chrome, on the other hand, has a more captive audience of eedjits who probably won't really *get* it, or really have an opinion either way, and will thus "just start using it" - which is where google can capitalise. In fact, you could even argue that this is  <clipped message>
[2025-10-22 07:19:48] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Depends on the audience. And the implementation. Mozilla erred in their implementation, in part because of their audience. Chrome, on the other hand, has a more captive audience of eedjits who probably won't really *get* it, or really have an opinion either way, and will thus "just start using it" - which is where google can capitalise. In fact, you could even argue that this is  <clipped message>
[2025-10-22 07:19:49] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| a way for google to shoehorn their slop merchant in via the back door, because they will be able to make the (probably valid) claim that their market share will have vastly increased. 
[2025-10-22 07:19:50] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| a way for google to shoehorn their slop merchant in via the back door, because they will be able to make the (probably valid) claim that their market share will have vastly increased. 
[2025-10-22 07:19:51] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| The big thing OpenAI has is name visibility - which is what Chrome has in the browser market. Everyone has heard of ChatGPT, irrespective of their opinion on LLMs as a whole, which is what being first to the market will do for you. But that's the same story as Internet Explorer - the vast majority of users never installed another browser until Chrome reliably proved that they cou <clipped message>
[2025-10-22 07:19:51] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| The big thing OpenAI has is name visibility - which is what Chrome has in the browser market. Everyone has heard of ChatGPT, irrespective of their opinion on LLMs as a whole, which is what being first to the market will do for you. But that's the same story as Internet Explorer - the vast majority of users never installed another browser until Chrome reliably proved that they cou <clipped message>
[2025-10-22 07:19:52] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| ld use their visibility in another market sector to leverage their tooling. Hey presto, not long after 2012 or so, everyone is using Chrome. IE is relegated to the sort of office work that only stuffy old local authorities rely on, and even then eventually capitulates and is reborn as Edge - a *chromium based* browser.
[2025-10-22 07:19:52] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| ld use their visibility in another market sector to leverage their tooling. Hey presto, not long after 2012 or so, everyone is using Chrome. IE is relegated to the sort of office work that only stuffy old local authorities rely on, and even then eventually capitulates and is reborn as Edge - a *chromium based* browser.
[2025-10-22 07:20:32] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Even I have to admit that Firefox, and hence all of its spinoffs, does not implement as efficient a browser engine as Chrome
[2025-10-22 07:20:33] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Even I have to admit that Firefox, and hence all of its spinoffs, does not implement as efficient a browser engine as Chrome
[2025-10-22 07:22:58] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| In short, unless OpenAI find a way to convince all the cool kids who know fuck all about technology to install their own browser, google will suck up that market. Only thing that can stop that is market regulation, and applied properly so that it does not necessarily harm google, but permits a more even spread of competition. Quite unlike some recent regulation I read, which was  <clipped message>
[2025-10-22 07:22:58] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| In short, unless OpenAI find a way to convince all the cool kids who know fuck all about technology to install their own browser, google will suck up that market. Only thing that can stop that is market regulation, and applied properly so that it does not necessarily harm google, but permits a more even spread of competition. Quite unlike some recent regulation I read, which was  <clipped message>
[2025-10-22 07:22:59] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| such a sledgehammer it might have come from a warlord or a communist dictator
[2025-10-22 07:22:59] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| such a sledgehammer it might have come from a warlord or a communist dictator
[2025-10-22 07:23:04] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| sec I'mma see what it was
[2025-10-22 07:23:04] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| sec I'mma see what it was
[2025-10-22 07:25:02] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Ah. Cardiff. They put a tax on large SUVs, which I agree with in principle, but then turned around and eliminated everything over 3.5t from residential areas. Which is silly, because old joe around the corner who built a campervan on the back of an old cabover now can't keep it at the back of the drive, and that's ridiculous.
[2025-10-22 07:25:02] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Ah. Cardiff. They put a tax on large SUVs, which I agree with in principle, but then turned around and eliminated everything over 3.5t from residential areas. Which is silly, because old joe around the corner who built a campervan on the back of an old cabover now can't keep it at the back of the drive, and that's ridiculous.
[2025-10-22 07:25:54] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| People needing deliveries of bricks, for example. Who on earth would want bricks in a residential area? Renovations? Never heard of 'em
[2025-10-22 07:25:54] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| People needing deliveries of bricks, for example. Who on earth would want bricks in a residential area? Renovations? Never heard of 'em
[2025-10-22 07:26:14] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| oof. Sorry, got a bit sidetracked there.
[2025-10-22 07:26:14] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| oof. Sorry, got a bit sidetracked there.
[2025-10-22 07:28:12] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| > unless OpenAI find a way to convince all the cool kids who know fuck all about technology to install their own browser
[2025-10-22 07:28:12] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| > unless OpenAI find a way to convince all the cool kids who know fuck all about technology to install their own browser
[2025-10-22 07:28:12] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| This doesnt seem like that tall of a challenge to me. They have already converted the pioneer users (believe me) and those users will be the champions to the masses
[2025-10-22 07:28:13] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| This doesnt seem like that tall of a challenge to me. They have already converted the pioneer users (believe me) and those users will be the champions to the masses
[2025-10-22 07:28:17] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Just as I am doing right here right now
[2025-10-22 07:28:17] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Just as I am doing right here right now
[2025-10-22 07:29:07] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| I think the nuance here is being a market dominator affords you credentials even in markets that are not your own
[2025-10-22 07:29:08] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| I think the nuance here is being a market dominator affords you credentials even in markets that are not your own
[2025-10-22 07:29:33] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| The modern capitalist dominator becomes an ecosystem
[2025-10-22 07:29:33] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| The modern capitalist dominator becomes an ecosystem
[2025-10-22 07:30:34] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| screenshot looks like just chromium with an extension, but yeah maybe they got a plan with that
[2025-10-22 07:30:34] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| screenshot looks like just chromium with an extension, but yeah maybe they got a plan with that
[2025-10-22 07:31:00] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| How can you see anything chromium about that
[2025-10-22 07:31:00] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| How can you see anything chromium about that
[2025-10-22 07:31:13] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| I havent included any UI (i mean it is chromium naturally but still)
[2025-10-22 07:31:13] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| I havent included any UI (i mean it is chromium naturally but still)
[2025-10-22 07:31:26] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| To a degree, yes - but I doubt you'll have huge amounts of success convincing today's 15 year olds to install a browser on a laptop they rarely use, and even less success on their phones. ChatGPT would need to offer an incentive for that - say, free and unrestricted access to gpt5o for a period fo time. That requires more capital than you might think, and google can decidedly out <clipped message>
[2025-10-22 07:31:27] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| To a degree, yes - but I doubt you'll have huge amounts of success convincing today's 15 year olds to install a browser on a laptop they rarely use, and even less success on their phones. ChatGPT would need to offer an incentive for that - say, free and unrestricted access to gpt5o for a period fo time. That requires more capital than you might think, and google can decidedly out <clipped message>
[2025-10-22 07:31:27] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| spend OpenAI in any market. 
[2025-10-22 07:31:28] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| spend OpenAI in any market. 
[2025-10-22 07:31:29] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Perhaps an even more effective solution would be to restrict users to x queries (less than normal) when using another browser, in favour and deference to their own browser
[2025-10-22 07:31:29] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Perhaps an even more effective solution would be to restrict users to x queries (less than normal) when using another browser, in favour and deference to their own browser
[2025-10-22 07:31:48] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| the ones on their page
[2025-10-22 07:31:48] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| the ones on their page
[2025-10-22 07:31:59] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| The latter would be a bit slimy, but would defeat the outspending problem
[2025-10-22 07:31:59] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| The latter would be a bit slimy, but would defeat the outspending problem
[2025-10-22 07:32:58] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| The thing is I think you're missing is this is an ecosystem extension
[2025-10-22 07:32:58] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| The thing is I think you're missing is this is an ecosystem extension
[2025-10-22 07:33:14] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| It already has so much value over just being an AI browser simply because its chatGPT
[2025-10-22 07:33:14] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| It already has so much value over just being an AI browser simply because its chatGPT
[2025-10-22 07:33:26] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| I can ask it "Based on what you know about me how does this relate to me" in basically any context
[2025-10-22 07:33:26] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| I can ask it "Based on what you know about me how does this relate to me" in basically any context
[2025-10-22 07:34:37] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| That's a bit more of a hairy option, in fairness. Do you remember the text service that would respond with what it knew about you? It was scarily accurate at times, and in the various communities I was in, inspired a substantial number of people to take more care over their information
[2025-10-22 07:34:37] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| That's a bit more of a hairy option, in fairness. Do you remember the text service that would respond with what it knew about you? It was scarily accurate at times, and in the various communities I was in, inspired a substantial number of people to take more care over their information
[2025-10-22 07:34:52] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| I'd never want to ask something that, but I already know I'm not the target audience 😄
[2025-10-22 07:34:52] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| I'd never want to ask something that, but I already know I'm not the target audience 😄
[2025-10-22 07:34:55] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| but something like "does this match x profile" *could* be useful
[2025-10-22 07:34:55] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| but something like "does this match x profile" *could* be useful
[2025-10-22 07:35:07] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Nah, this was back when I was like, 19 or so
[2025-10-22 07:35:07] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Nah, this was back when I was like, 19 or so
[2025-10-22 07:35:15] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| You two specifically are very much not the target audience but I'll play tennis with the points anyway
[2025-10-22 07:35:15] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| You two specifically are very much not the target audience but I'll play tennis with the points anyway
[2025-10-22 07:35:15] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| it was kinda fun but a bit weird
[2025-10-22 07:35:15] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| it was kinda fun but a bit weird
[2025-10-22 07:35:33] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| The average person enjoys having external insights given to them about themselves
[2025-10-22 07:35:33] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| The average person enjoys having external insights given to them about themselves
[2025-10-22 07:36:03] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| >  Do you remember the text service that would respond with what it knew about you? It was scarily accurate at times
[2025-10-22 07:36:03] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| >  Do you remember the text service that would respond with what it knew about you? It was scarily accurate at times
[2025-10-22 07:36:03] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| I don't know what this refers to
[2025-10-22 07:36:03] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| I don't know what this refers to
[2025-10-22 07:36:07] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| I wouldn't necessarily say average. Communities with people like [this](https://infosec.exchange/@Em0nM4stodon/115237473192679006) are growing substantially
[2025-10-22 07:36:07] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| I wouldn't necessarily say average. Communities with people like [this](https://infosec.exchange/@Em0nM4stodon/115237473192679006) are growing substantially
[2025-10-22 07:36:27] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| This is a fringe view
[2025-10-22 07:36:27] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| This is a fringe view
[2025-10-22 07:36:29] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| I'm sorry
[2025-10-22 07:36:29] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| I'm sorry
[2025-10-22 07:36:52] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| not so much fringe as you would think. I can tell you quite sanely that it is growing fast
[2025-10-22 07:36:52] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| not so much fringe as you would think. I can tell you quite sanely that it is growing fast
[2025-10-22 07:36:59] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| I mean its on a decentralised infosec resource
[2025-10-22 07:36:59] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| I mean its on a decentralised infosec resource
[2025-10-22 07:37:08] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| It's fringe before it's even been comprehended
[2025-10-22 07:37:08] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| It's fringe before it's even been comprehended
[2025-10-22 07:37:32] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| It's growing but the market of luddites that lap up this stuff is huge
[2025-10-22 07:37:32] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| It's growing but the market of luddites that lap up this stuff is huge
[2025-10-22 07:38:18] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| It's not terribly influential on the 30 something office worker who uses 爱头write emails
[2025-10-22 07:38:18] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| It's not terribly influential on the 30 something office worker who uses 爱头write emails
[2025-10-22 07:39:08] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Don't mistake "decentralised" for "disconnected". The ecosystem is far greater than just the infosec exchange server, practically every fediverse server federates with every *other* server. But that's just an example, the fediverse is only one iteration thereof. And whilst that's still a small percentage of the online population, it's not a population that can be completely ignored
[2025-10-22 07:39:08] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Don't mistake "decentralised" for "disconnected". The ecosystem is far greater than just the infosec exchange server, practically every fediverse server federates with every *other* server. But that's just an example, the fediverse is only one iteration thereof. And whilst that's still a small percentage of the online population, it's not a population that can be completely ignored
[2025-10-22 07:39:25] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| if it were, the EFF would not exist
[2025-10-22 07:39:25] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| if it were, the EFF would not exist
[2025-10-22 07:39:44] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| (nor would several other well0funded advocacy groups, incidentally)
[2025-10-22 07:39:44] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| (nor would several other well0funded advocacy groups, incidentally)
[2025-10-22 07:40:24] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| here's a nice little tidbit: Two of those groups have founding members that are in the house of Lords
[2025-10-22 07:40:24] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| here's a nice little tidbit: Two of those groups have founding members that are in the house of Lords
[2025-10-22 07:41:22] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| moreover, several of them have been involved in campaigns against the EU's "chat control" initiative, which has resulted in countries like Poland explicitly opposing it
[2025-10-22 07:41:22] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| moreover, several of them have been involved in campaigns against the EU's "chat control" initiative, which has resulted in countries like Poland explicitly opposing it
[2025-10-22 07:42:10] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| which brings me back to the salient point: Any service that aims to do what OpenAi wants to do will have to take that privacy element into consideration at least
[2025-10-22 07:42:10] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| which brings me back to the salient point: Any service that aims to do what OpenAi wants to do will have to take that privacy element into consideration at least
[2025-10-22 07:42:16] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| is it useful?
[2025-10-22 07:42:16] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| is it useful?
[2025-10-22 07:44:38] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| oh, I almost forgot, I'm pretty sure it's Privacia Polska that has Donald Tusk as an honourary member. Could be wrong abotu that, but he's a member of one of them. 
[2025-10-22 07:44:38] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| oh, I almost forgot, I'm pretty sure it's Privacia Polska that has Donald Tusk as an honourary member. Could be wrong abotu that, but he's a member of one of them. 
[2025-10-22 07:44:38] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Anyway, back to the market thing, there is certainly a pathway to OpenAI getting some market share with their browser, but it would need to target Chrome users directly somehow imo. Direct advertising, for one, or perhaps encouragement by means of discouraging other browsers.
[2025-10-22 07:44:38] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Anyway, back to the market thing, there is certainly a pathway to OpenAI getting some market share with their browser, but it would need to target Chrome users directly somehow imo. Direct advertising, for one, or perhaps encouragement by means of discouraging other browsers.
[2025-10-22 08:03:08] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| You're still taking this as a browser war. It's not
[2025-10-22 08:03:09] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| You're still taking this as a browser war. It's not
[2025-10-22 08:03:37] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| This is about absorbing the usecase of the browser generally, something that the AI advocates and the more accelerationist leading developers have been wanting for a long time
[2025-10-22 08:03:37] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| This is about absorbing the usecase of the browser generally, something that the AI advocates and the more accelerationist leading developers have been wanting for a long time
[2025-10-22 08:03:53] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Every market shift starts with a reframing of what a product even *is*
[2025-10-22 08:03:53] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Every market shift starts with a reframing of what a product even *is*
[2025-10-22 08:07:50] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| If you imagine a browser to be more abstract as just an interaction layer between the human and the web, well in that lens they've already been looking pretty shaky against the future. 
[2025-10-22 08:07:50] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| If you imagine a browser to be more abstract as just an interaction layer between the human and the web, well in that lens they've already been looking pretty shaky against the future. 
[2025-10-22 08:07:50] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| The infosec/decentralised/fediverse crowd are loud, but statistically irrelevant in diffusion models (how this distrubution will pan out). Tech adoption is decided by convenience. If 100 million people can offload context management, form filling, search fiction, all while retaining their built collections of memories, do you think they will deny this tradeoff? 
[2025-10-22 08:07:50] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| The infosec/decentralised/fediverse crowd are loud, but statistically irrelevant in diffusion models (how this distrubution will pan out). Tech adoption is decided by convenience. If 100 million people can offload context management, form filling, search fiction, all while retaining their built collections of memories, do you think they will deny this tradeoff? 
[2025-10-22 08:07:51] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| You only need to convert the active class. They drive cultural and workforce trends. Once professionals creators businesses etc adopt it, the entire ecosystem they influence will feel that pressure to swap too.
[2025-10-22 08:07:52] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| You only need to convert the active class. They drive cultural and workforce trends. Once professionals creators businesses etc adopt it, the entire ecosystem they influence will feel that pressure to swap too.
[2025-10-22 08:08:18] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Ultimately the ideological arguments are valid but they pale compare to the commercial arguments that have enough funding behind them to be hard to ignore
[2025-10-22 08:08:18] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Ultimately the ideological arguments are valid but they pale compare to the commercial arguments that have enough funding behind them to be hard to ignore
[2025-10-22 08:08:58] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Its useful enough to just have chatgpt at a keyboard shortcut away with context on what im looking at
[2025-10-22 08:08:58] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Its useful enough to just have chatgpt at a keyboard shortcut away with context on what im looking at
[2025-10-22 08:09:22] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| But the real magic is when you have forms to fill out. I wish I had this a few days ago when filling out my 塞塔
[2025-10-22 08:09:22] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| But the real magic is when you have forms to fill out. I wish I had this a few days ago when filling out my 塞塔
[2025-10-22 08:09:38] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| how about job applications? x)
[2025-10-22 08:09:38] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| how about job applications? x)
[2025-10-22 08:09:58] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| i wonder why its only available on osx at first
[2025-10-22 08:09:58] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| i wonder why its only available on osx at first
[2025-10-22 08:12:06] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| native mac applications are kinda easy to build now
[2025-10-22 08:12:06] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| native mac applications are kinda easy to build now
[2025-10-22 08:12:19] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| its a unified architecture that means its just like ios
[2025-10-22 08:12:19] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| its a unified architecture that means its just like ios
[2025-10-22 08:12:25] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| windows apps are... less fun
[2025-10-22 08:12:25] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| windows apps are... less fun
[2025-10-22 08:12:41] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| you either go for something cross platform like an electron and have the community mock you for it
[2025-10-22 08:12:42] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| you either go for something cross platform like an electron and have the community mock you for it
[2025-10-22 08:12:54] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| or you go native with a c# style application which introduces a ton of overhead
[2025-10-22 08:12:54] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| or you go native with a c# style application which introduces a ton of overhead
[2025-10-22 08:14:12] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| its not  a startup tho its open ai they definitely have the technical power and ability to just make both windows and mac osx no?
[2025-10-22 08:14:12] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| its not  a startup tho its open ai they definitely have the technical power and ability to just make both windows and mac osx no?
[2025-10-22 08:16:06] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Youd be surprised how many resources it takes to build an application like this
[2025-10-22 08:16:07] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Youd be surprised how many resources it takes to build an application like this
[2025-10-22 08:16:24] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| And no matter how big an org is if you allocate resources to one thing you have to take them off of another thing
[2025-10-22 08:16:24] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| And no matter how big an org is if you allocate resources to one thing you have to take them off of another thing
[2025-10-22 08:16:57] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Likely they already have a team working on it and its just not ready yet
[2025-10-22 08:16:57] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Likely they already have a team working on it and its just not ready yet
[2025-10-22 08:16:57] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Or they have a team ready to work on it that are finishing up something else
[2025-10-22 08:16:58] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Or they have a team ready to work on it that are finishing up something else
[2025-10-22 08:17:29] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| But you raise a good point that with OpenAI's partnership with Microsoft you struggle to imagine how this decision could have come to fruition with the launch excluding Microsoft's flagship operating system
[2025-10-22 08:17:29] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| But you raise a good point that with OpenAI's partnership with Microsoft you struggle to imagine how this decision could have come to fruition with the launch excluding Microsoft's flagship operating system
[2025-10-22 08:31:12] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| yeah, i feel like there has to be some sort of strategy behind releasing for osx before windows is ready, which is probably what most of their userbase are on right? maybe its building up anticipation or something. or maybe ur right and they are just tryna get both out as soon as they can
[2025-10-22 08:31:12] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| yeah, i feel like there has to be some sort of strategy behind releasing for osx before windows is ready, which is probably what most of their userbase are on right? maybe its building up anticipation or something. or maybe ur right and they are just tryna get both out as soon as they can
[2025-10-22 08:34:43] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| I doubt it tbh. They are so big they represent a pretty unselected sample of the internet and operating system market share still massively favours windows
[2025-10-22 08:34:44] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| I doubt it tbh. They are so big they represent a pretty unselected sample of the internet and operating system market share still massively favours windows
[2025-10-22 08:35:02] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Maybe its a particular effect of knowing that pioneers are going to use this first and pioneers do lean mac over windows
[2025-10-22 08:35:02] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Maybe its a particular effect of knowing that pioneers are going to use this first and pioneers do lean mac over windows
[2025-10-22 08:36:05] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| We will see I guess
[2025-10-22 08:36:05] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| We will see I guess
[2025-10-22 08:36:35] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Whats perhaps telling though is I've been talking to other users this morning that are enjoying it in public and I havent seen anyone question why its mac only
[2025-10-22 08:36:35] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Whats perhaps telling though is I've been talking to other users this morning that are enjoying it in public and I havent seen anyone question why its mac only
[2025-10-22 08:46:56] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| yeah true
[2025-10-22 08:46:56] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| yeah true
[2025-10-22 08:47:14] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| i mean naturally it wont bother them if they are on mac already. youre not gonna be upset if its raining in scotland if you live in england
[2025-10-22 08:47:14] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| i mean naturally it wont bother them if they are on mac already. youre not gonna be upset if its raining in scotland if you live in england
[2025-10-22 08:47:37] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| but youre probably right about most people who are interested in this sort of thing are probably leaning toward the osx userbase
[2025-10-22 08:47:37] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| but youre probably right about most people who are interested in this sort of thing are probably leaning toward the osx userbase
[2025-10-22 08:53:29] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Every startup ive joined they give me a macbook
[2025-10-22 08:53:29] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Every startup ive joined they give me a macbook
[2025-10-22 08:53:50] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Big established enterprise loves windows and the ms ecosystem and I despise it
[2025-10-22 08:53:50] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Big established enterprise loves windows and the ms ecosystem and I despise it
[2025-10-22 08:54:43] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Macbooks are a very typical startup err. I hate microsoft probably rather more than you do, but macs are incredibly hard to administer.
[2025-10-22 08:54:43] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Macbooks are a very typical startup err. I hate microsoft probably rather more than you do, but macs are incredibly hard to administer.
[2025-10-22 08:54:43] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Actually, probaly not an err persay, but as a company grows there comes a time when a shift to another platform becomes somewhat necessary
[2025-10-22 08:54:43] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Actually, probaly not an err persay, but as a company grows there comes a time when a shift to another platform becomes somewhat necessary
[2025-10-22 08:55:25] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| alternatively you can go for a priviledge-free environment, but that can make things hard when it comes to managing employees or projects
[2025-10-22 08:55:25] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| alternatively you can go for a priviledge-free environment, but that can make things hard when it comes to managing employees or projects
[2025-10-22 08:55:40] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| No theyre not?
[2025-10-22 08:55:40] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| No theyre not?
[2025-10-22 08:55:50] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Apple MDM is great. I've personally rolled it out before
[2025-10-22 08:55:50] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Apple MDM is great. I've personally rolled it out before
[2025-10-22 08:56:38] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| MDM *can* be great, but I don't think you'll ever meet a modern sysadmin who hasn't found a problem with it
[2025-10-22 08:56:38] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| MDM *can* be great, but I don't think you'll ever meet a modern sysadmin who hasn't found a problem with it
[2025-10-22 08:56:47] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Group Policy does, of course, have its own probems
[2025-10-22 08:56:47] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Group Policy does, of course, have its own probems
[2025-10-22 08:57:00] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| and now everything is Azure AD, or whatever it's called now
[2025-10-22 08:57:00] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| and now everything is Azure AD, or whatever it's called now
[2025-10-22 08:57:06] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| which is a further expense and problem
[2025-10-22 08:57:06] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| which is a further expense and problem
[2025-10-22 08:57:57] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| With all that said, a priviledge-free environment is pretty much the default for linux based enterprises, and there's a few approaches that work exceptionally well there that could quite easily be transposed to mac
[2025-10-22 08:57:57] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| With all that said, a priviledge-free environment is pretty much the default for linux based enterprises, and there's a few approaches that work exceptionally well there that could quite easily be transposed to mac
[2025-10-22 08:58:21] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Every enterprise is linux based. On the server.
[2025-10-22 08:58:21] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Every enterprise is linux based. On the server.
[2025-10-22 08:58:34] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Hah, not at all!
[2025-10-22 08:58:34] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Hah, not at all!
[2025-10-22 08:58:50] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Everyone outside of the SOC 😛
[2025-10-22 08:58:50] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Everyone outside of the SOC 😛
[2025-10-22 08:58:59] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| I've seen both - HP had heavy linux investment, but other orgs I've worked for or with have had none at all
[2025-10-22 08:58:59] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| I've seen both - HP had heavy linux investment, but other orgs I've worked for or with have had none at all
[2025-10-22 08:59:58] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Technical debt also continues to bea  huge problem. HP had servers running on WS2k3 in the mid-teens
[2025-10-22 08:59:58] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Technical debt also continues to bea  huge problem. HP had servers running on WS2k3 in the mid-teens
[2025-10-22 09:00:10] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| including, get this, their *primary AD lookup server*
[2025-10-22 09:00:10] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| including, get this, their *primary AD lookup server*
[2025-10-22 09:00:39] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Realistically for enterprise it's just too much overhead to manage a linux fleet unless you have a particlarly esoteric CISO
[2025-10-22 09:00:39] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Realistically for enterprise it's just too much overhead to manage a linux fleet unless you have a particlarly esoteric CISO
[2025-10-22 09:01:13] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| But even then I would wager less than 1% of SP500 companies even allow linux desktop
[2025-10-22 09:01:13] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| But even then I would wager less than 1% of SP500 companies even allow linux desktop
[2025-10-22 09:01:22] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| eh, idk. People say that, but I've also seen the exact opposite. I've seen businesses run entirely on FOSS platforms with zero issue, from in-store clerks to upper management
[2025-10-22 09:01:22] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| eh, idk. People say that, but I've also seen the exact opposite. I've seen businesses run entirely on FOSS platforms with zero issue, from in-store clerks to upper management
[2025-10-22 09:01:41] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Yeah indeed thats where the quality of the management comes in
[2025-10-22 09:01:41] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Yeah indeed thats where the quality of the management comes in
[2025-10-22 09:01:56] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| If you have stakeholders that actually are tech enthusiasts its probably doable
[2025-10-22 09:01:56] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| If you have stakeholders that actually are tech enthusiasts its probably doable
[2025-10-22 09:02:12] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| But for those just looking at time sheets and balance sheets, its not very attractive as a proposition
[2025-10-22 09:02:12] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| But for those just looking at time sheets and balance sheets, its not very attractive as a proposition
[2025-10-22 09:02:42] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| I'd argue that the argument of "well the employees don't know any different" is one of pure laziness rather than antyhing else. And no, no tech enthusiasts with $orgthatIreferredto
[2025-10-22 09:02:43] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| I'd argue that the argument of "well the employees don't know any different" is one of pure laziness rather than antyhing else. And no, no tech enthusiasts with $orgthatIreferredto
[2025-10-22 09:02:49] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| at least, not in key positions
[2025-10-22 09:02:49] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| at least, not in key positions
[2025-10-22 09:03:36] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| They converted in 2011 and saved themselves something like £5m in operational IT costs
[2025-10-22 09:03:36] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| They converted in 2011 and saved themselves something like £5m in operational IT costs
[2025-10-22 09:04:43] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| realistically, all an average employee needs is four big buttons: Email, Internet, Documents, Spreadsheets. Enything else is extra, exspecially given the prevalence of web applications internally
[2025-10-22 09:04:43] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| realistically, all an average employee needs is four big buttons: Email, Internet, Documents, Spreadsheets. Enything else is extra, exspecially given the prevalence of web applications internally
[2025-10-22 09:12:36] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Deli it's not 2005 anymore
[2025-10-22 09:12:36] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Deli it's not 2005 anymore
[2025-10-22 09:12:44] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| There are more applications than ms office
[2025-10-22 09:12:44] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| There are more applications than ms office
[2025-10-22 09:13:10] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| sure but I'm not talking about video rpoduction, development, or GIS stuff
[2025-10-22 09:13:11] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| sure but I'm not talking about video rpoduction, development, or GIS stuff
[2025-10-22 09:13:14] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Slack, Monday, Notion, Granola, ChatGPT
[2025-10-22 09:13:14] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Slack, Monday, Notion, Granola, ChatGPT
[2025-10-22 09:13:19] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| neither am I
[2025-10-22 09:13:19] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| neither am I
[2025-10-22 09:13:26] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| ya and they're all runnable in a browser
[2025-10-22 09:13:26] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| ya and they're all runnable in a browser
[2025-10-22 09:13:33] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| for the most part, anyway
[2025-10-22 09:13:33] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| for the most part, anyway
[2025-10-22 09:13:34] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| super experience
[2025-10-22 09:13:34] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| super experience
[2025-10-22 09:13:41] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| the browser will even do desktop notifs
[2025-10-22 09:13:41] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| the browser will even do desktop notifs
[2025-10-22 09:15:46] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Monday is literally just the web app in a desktop app, slack has a linux client, Notion has a flatpak, granola has any number of alternate implementations.
[2025-10-22 09:15:46] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Monday is literally just the web app in a desktop app, slack has a linux client, Notion has a flatpak, granola has any number of alternate implementations.
[2025-10-22 09:16:06] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| I wasnt saying they arent available in other environments
[2025-10-22 09:16:06] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| I wasnt saying they arent available in other environments
[2025-10-22 09:16:16] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| but even then, they're literally just the same approach as windows - an icon on a desktop
[2025-10-22 09:16:16] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| but even then, they're literally just the same approach as windows - an icon on a desktop
[2025-10-22 09:16:18] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Simply pointing out that an average employee today uses more than emails and documents
[2025-10-22 09:16:18] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Simply pointing out that an average employee today uses more than emails and documents
[2025-10-22 09:16:32] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| They will be in contract with commercial software like this
[2025-10-22 09:16:32] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| They will be in contract with commercial software like this
[2025-10-22 09:17:14] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| sure btu that isn't my point, my poin tis that the idea that the environment is too different from what employees are used to is one of pure incompetence at best, and downright ignorance at worst.
[2025-10-22 09:17:15] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| sure btu that isn't my point, my poin tis that the idea that the environment is too different from what employees are used to is one of pure incompetence at best, and downright ignorance at worst.
[2025-10-22 09:18:13] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Take your org - you got a macbook. Macs might be more popular than linux, but thery're nowhere near as popular as windows. Is your future receptionist going to be familiar with? Quite possibly not, but it's hardly going to take them an age to learn
[2025-10-22 09:18:13] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Take your org - you got a macbook. Macs might be more popular than linux, but thery're nowhere near as popular as windows. Is your future receptionist going to be familiar with? Quite possibly not, but it's hardly going to take them an age to learn
[2025-10-22 09:18:32] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| anyway, I have a rather large meeting to attend, back later
[2025-10-22 09:18:33] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| anyway, I have a rather large meeting to attend, back later
[2025-10-22 09:18:41] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Take care
[2025-10-22 09:18:41] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Take care
[2025-10-22 09:18:58] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| I like running our convos through AI to fact check our statements
[2025-10-22 09:18:58] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| I like running our convos through AI to fact check our statements
[2025-10-22 09:19:14] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| you do vex me, sir
[2025-10-22 09:19:15] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| you do vex me, sir
[2025-10-22 09:19:16] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| :D
[2025-10-22 09:19:16] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| :D
[2025-10-22 09:19:18] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1430546058538127484/image.png?ex=68fa2b56&is=68f8d9d6&hm=7cce0080a7fa59cc3c6a7712b41a2a7b05c664d99482343b9fb6bb974cf1954f&
[2025-10-22 09:19:19] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1430546058538127484/image.png?ex=68fa2b56&is=68f8d9d6&hm=7cce0080a7fa59cc3c6a7712b41a2a7b05c664d99482343b9fb6bb974cf1954f&
[2025-10-22 09:19:28] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Take it as you want
[2025-10-22 09:19:28] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Take it as you want
[2025-10-22 09:19:32] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| I find it fun 😛
[2025-10-22 09:19:33] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| I find it fun 😛
[2025-10-22 09:20:41] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| I just live in the early adopters portion of demograghics so I am biased in what I understand as the wider ecosystem
[2025-10-22 09:20:41] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| I just live in the early adopters portion of demograghics so I am biased in what I understand as the wider ecosystem
[2025-10-22 09:20:45] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| but in this way you are too
[2025-10-22 09:20:45] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| but in this way you are too
[2025-10-22 09:22:27] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| 1: subjective and highly environmentally dependent
[2025-10-22 09:22:27] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| 1: subjective and highly environmentally dependent
[2025-10-22 09:22:27] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| 2: well duh
[2025-10-22 09:22:28] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| 2: well duh
[2025-10-22 09:22:29] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| 3: Dependent on structure tbh, and not easily verifiable
[2025-10-22 09:22:29] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| 3: Dependent on structure tbh, and not easily verifiable
[2025-10-22 09:22:30] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| 4: Based on licensing costs, four-year cycle costs, etcetera. Easily verifiable but not without identifying the org, which I can't do because NDA (grumble)
[2025-10-22 09:22:30] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| 4: Based on licensing costs, four-year cycle costs, etcetera. Easily verifiable but not without identifying the org, which I can't do because NDA (grumble)
[2025-10-22 09:22:31] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| 5: Outside fo the scope of the point
[2025-10-22 09:22:31] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| 5: Outside fo the scope of the point
[2025-10-22 09:22:33] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| 6: Dependent on skillset, arguably web easier to develop for and maintain
[2025-10-22 09:22:33] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| 6: Dependent on skillset, arguably web easier to develop for and maintain
[2025-10-22 09:22:34] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| 7: first wholly accurate assessment
[2025-10-22 09:22:34] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| 7: first wholly accurate assessment
[2025-10-22 09:22:35] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| 8: subjective
[2025-10-22 09:22:35] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| 8: subjective
[2025-10-22 09:22:54] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| ok, fr going now
[2025-10-22 09:22:54] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| ok, fr going now
[2025-10-22 09:25:30] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| I worked for the government in classified operations. I know well how much you can hide within "oh sorry I'm not at liberty to share that with you"
[2025-10-22 09:25:30] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| I worked for the government in classified operations. I know well how much you can hide within "oh sorry I'm not at liberty to share that with you"
[2025-10-22 09:26:57] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Me too, although my dealings were with MoD at HP. That much wasn't covered under any OSA stuff, just the specifics of what I did in that specific scenario, which wasn't the one I meant
[2025-10-22 09:26:57] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Me too, although my dealings were with MoD at HP. That much wasn't covered under any OSA stuff, just the specifics of what I did in that specific scenario, which wasn't the one I meant
[2025-10-22 09:27:16] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| ugh. Waiting for people to shuffle in is unpleasant. I wish we still had meetings in person
[2025-10-22 09:27:16] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| ugh. Waiting for people to shuffle in is unpleasant. I wish we still had meetings in person
[2025-10-22 09:27:25] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| at least sometimes anyway
[2025-10-22 09:27:25] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| at least sometimes anyway
[2025-10-22 09:28:43] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Don't you love the awkward chats as all the non stakeholders arrive first and have to exchange pleasantries??
[2025-10-22 09:28:43] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Don't you love the awkward chats as all the non stakeholders arrive first and have to exchange pleasantries??
[2025-10-22 09:28:46] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Seems like just your craic
[2025-10-22 09:28:46] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| Seems like just your craic
[2025-10-22 09:29:11] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| nah not really. It feels more artificial behind a screen somehow
[2025-10-22 09:29:11] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| nah not really. It feels more artificial behind a screen somehow
[2025-10-22 09:29:28] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| I was being sarcastic lmao I dont think anyone likes that
[2025-10-22 09:29:28] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| I was being sarcastic lmao I dont think anyone likes that
[2025-10-22 09:29:31] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| irl we'd be putting tea and coffee together and whatnot and probably catching up a bit
[2025-10-22 09:29:31] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| irl we'd be putting tea and coffee together and whatnot and probably catching up a bit
[2025-10-22 09:29:35] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| oh
[2025-10-22 09:29:35] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| oh
[2025-10-22 09:29:42] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| ✨ autism ✨
[2025-10-22 09:29:42] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| ✨ autism ✨
[2025-10-22 09:29:50] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| thats my new favourite thing atm
[2025-10-22 09:29:51] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| thats my new favourite thing atm
[2025-10-22 09:29:58] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| I mean im a very serious person most of the time so its common on my side too
[2025-10-22 09:29:58] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| I mean im a very serious person most of the time so its common on my side too
[2025-10-22 09:30:07] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| but yeah i miss it too
[2025-10-22 09:30:07] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| but yeah i miss it too
[2025-10-22 09:30:22] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| I arrive fashionably late to virtual meetings now to miss out that pre game show
[2025-10-22 09:30:22] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| I arrive fashionably late to virtual meetings now to miss out that pre game show
[2025-10-22 09:30:26] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| or on the dot
[2025-10-22 09:30:26] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Jamie | Syn| or on the dot
[2025-10-22 09:55:24] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Last time I had an in-person meeting, I ended up chatting with a lad who was a new dad and his littl'n had the sniffles. I got him one of those pipette things that sucks the ick out of baby's nose. That's the sort of thing I miss, casual catchups that turn into useful shit. 
[2025-10-22 09:55:24] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Last time I had an in-person meeting, I ended up chatting with a lad who was a new dad and his littl'n had the sniffles. I got him one of those pipette things that sucks the ick out of baby's nose. That's the sort of thing I miss, casual catchups that turn into useful shit. 
[2025-10-22 09:55:25] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Still talk to dude today too
[2025-10-22 09:55:25] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Still talk to dude today too
[2025-10-22 09:57:06] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| big meeting was useful tho. I might double my income again if I get this gig
[2025-10-22 09:57:06] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| big meeting was useful tho. I might double my income again if I get this gig
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