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[2021-06-02 06:35:39] <Lucifer_arma> guru3: I'll give a look when I can, but the ongoing drama in my life is, well, ongoing
[2021-06-02 06:35:55] <Lucifer_arma> today's drama has been a year and a half in the making
[2021-06-02 06:36:29] <Lucifer_arma> I arranged with the facility where we held our Tuesday in-person recovery meetings to go ahead and restart meetings.  I did this a week ago.
[2021-06-02 06:36:37] <Lucifer_arma> I sent an email to the gatekeeper on the local recovery group mailing list.
[2021-06-02 06:37:02] <Lucifer_arma> That individual (I'm pretty sure I know who it is) completely ignored the email.  So after a few days, I sent a message to the group on Facebook.
[2021-06-02 06:37:55] <Lucifer_arma> That garnered a response, a few days later.  So on Monday, the day before meetings are to resume (with me in charge, mind you), I get a message back saying that I should come into the zoom meeting on Tuesday and "discuss [my] proposal"
[2021-06-02 06:38:06] <Lucifer_arma> It's not a fucking proposal.  It's something that's actually happening!
[2021-06-02 06:38:55] <Lucifer_arma> Naturally, nobody showed up for the meeting.  The only people that knew about it are me, the woman I previously mentioned who may have killed herself, another guy who was busy with NA stuff (he's part of two different groups), and the person I was talking to
[2021-06-02 06:39:54] <Lucifer_arma> this is supposed to be a grassroots organization where anybody can start a meeting.  More than that, I was literally the last person managing the group's relationship with the facility offering us the space for the meeting.
[2021-06-02 06:40:03] <Lucifer_arma> That makes me the logical person to start up meetings again at this facility.
[2021-06-02 06:40:25] <Lucifer_arma> so there's a big ol' WTF happening right now.  As in, WTF I thought this was a support group, where's the fucking SUPPORT?
[2021-06-02 06:41:05] <Lucifer_arma> the reason it's been a year and a half in the making is because we separated from Refuge Recovery about then, when the founder was facing sexual inappropriateness claims
[2021-06-02 06:41:41] <Lucifer_arma> So at first I was like "I dunno, we've been doing fine, and it's not like he raped or sexually harassed anybody, it was consensual".
[2021-06-02 06:42:06] <Lucifer_arma> Then I didn't want to be isolated, and neither did anybody else, so we voted to join the new group.  Then the pandemic hit.  When that happened,
[2021-06-02 06:42:39] <Lucifer_arma> I reasoned that there were people more at risk of the consequences of addiction than they were at risk of covid, so I suggested that I could run in-person meetings during the pandemic
[2021-06-02 06:43:21] <Lucifer_arma> I'd be careful.  We'd take steps.  We'd wear masks.  I had an RV (this was before it got stolen), so I could change the location regularly.  Anybody who wanted to come would have to email me, and I'd limit the number of attendees.
[2021-06-02 06:44:04] <Lucifer_arma> So I sent the guy an email so he could tell everybody, and apparently there's a small council that decided that what I was proposing was reckless, and they weren't going to give me a forum to speak about it
[2021-06-02 06:45:24] <Lucifer_arma> naturally they replaced all in-person meetings with zoom meetings, which had serious privacy issues, so I didn't join any of them.
[2021-06-02 06:45:31] <Lucifer_arma> so now my old/new in-person meeting conflicts with one of their precious zoom meetings.
[2021-06-02 06:46:08] <Lucifer_arma> ANd you know, fuck those guys.  Are they being control freaks?  Or is there a real problem with what I'm doing?  I don't know, and they're sure in the hell not talking to me about it.
[2021-06-02 06:46:47] <Lucifer_arma> and all of that is a problem.  All of that is basically the same reason we just left freenode.  It's the reason we've insisted on doing all of our work out in public, all of our discussions out in public, everything in public.
[2021-06-02 06:47:21] <Lucifer_arma> When people show up randomly wanting to contribute code, but they want to keep it a secret, we tell them where they can stick it.  Actually, we let Z-man say something nice to them.
[2021-06-02 06:48:19] <Lucifer_arma> Recovery meetings are the same philosophy.  Anybody can show up.  Anybody can run them.  The important thing is that people are there, and we're supporting each other.
[2021-06-02 06:48:27] <Lucifer_arma> It's essentially the same thing.
[2021-06-02 06:48:39] <Lucifer_arma> Nothing should ever happen in private.
[2021-06-02 06:49:53] <Lucifer_arma> But this whole thing about voting to join Recovery Dharma, I don't know.  The national organization might well be different, but the local Austin organization seems to be run by control freaks
[2021-06-02 06:50:10] <Lucifer_arma> so, yeah, that's the current drama.  The ongoing divorce drama is ongoing.
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