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[2021-05-01 09:08:46] -!- Topic for #armagetron is "http://www.armagetronad.org/ | pastebin: http://armagetron.pastebin.com/ | Tournaments: #armagetron.tourneys | Pickup a game: #armagetron.pickup"
[2021-05-01 09:08:46] -!- Topic set by guru3 on 2015-04-22 20:50:50 UTC
[2021-05-01 09:08:54] -!- tepper.freenode.net set mode #armagetron +cnrt
[2021-05-01 09:08:54] -!- Channel #armagetron created on 2006-11-26 06:42:45 UTC
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[2021-05-01 09:46:28] -!- Topic for #armagetron is "http://www.armagetronad.org/ | pastebin: http://armagetron.pastebin.com/ | Tournaments: #armagetron.tourneys | Pickup a game: #armagetron.pickup"
[2021-05-01 09:46:29] -!- Topic set by guru3 on 2015-04-22 20:50:50 UTC
[2021-05-01 09:46:38] -!- tolkien.freenode.net set mode #armagetron +cnrt
[2021-05-01 09:46:38] -!- Channel #armagetron created on 2006-11-26 06:42:45 UTC
[2021-05-01 16:13:32] <Z-Man> Yay, my bank gave me good news! They're adapting my account! Only with an 800% price hike!
[2021-05-01 16:20:06] <Z-Man> That is after they closed the nearest office, leaving just the automatic teller machine things, with the next closest being four times further away and nowhere near any of my usual routes.
[2021-05-01 16:21:47] <Z-Man> And which part of Quassel thinks it should swallow the first space entered after a comma?
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[2021-05-01 22:12:11] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] r1241 beginnings of better way to write routes in a map

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[2021-05-02 14:15:41] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] r1242 Add PLAYER_FULLSCREEN_MESSAGE
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[2021-05-07 17:43:25] <P4> <3
[2021-05-07 17:43:57] <P4> !seen tronner
[2021-05-07 17:44:10] <P4> ljrbot: seen tronner
[2021-05-07 17:44:10] <ljrbot> P4: tronner was last seen in #armagetron 5 years, 1 week, 2 days, 3 hours, 35 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <tronner> P4: exim: 776000, postfix: 648000
[2021-05-07 17:45:21] <Armanelgtron> P4, how was your extended vacation from this channel :P
[2021-05-07 17:45:35] <P4> `goto styball atm XD
[2021-05-07 18:21:51] <P4> was like https://imgur.com/a/32uK1FB, Armanelgtron. (=
[2021-05-07 18:22:31] <P4> but now time to go home from office. good to see you guys here again <3
[2021-05-07 18:22:44] <Armanelgtron> rq
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[2021-05-08 05:50:26] <guru3> hurray, it's everyone's favourite - forums upgrade time
[2021-05-08 07:21:42] <guru3> looks like that's gone smoothely, let me know if there are problems with armathentication or registering
[2021-05-08 20:08:54] <luke-jr> heh, I forgot about armathentication
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[2021-05-10 08:53:51] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] r1243 Fix zone cycle wall collisions, use sensors for determining ...
[2021-05-10 20:56:31] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] r1244 get rid of wall impact information on ball cycle impact
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[2021-05-11 01:29:37] -!- Topic for #armagetron is "http://www.armagetronad.org/ | pastebin: http://armagetron.pastebin.com/ | Tournaments: #armagetron.tourneys | Pickup a game: #armagetron.pickup"
[2021-05-11 01:29:37] -!- Topic set by guru3 on 2015-04-22 20:50:50 UTC
[2021-05-11 01:29:45] -!- rothfuss.freenode.net set mode #armagetron +cnrt
[2021-05-11 01:29:45] -!- Channel #armagetron created on 2006-11-26 06:42:45 UTC
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[2021-05-11 22:31:43] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] r1246 crashfix: use se_GameTime() instead of se_mainGameTimer->Tim...

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[2021-05-15 22:51:11] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] r1247 add game time to player gridpos and make PLAYER_GRIDPOS_ON_T...

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[2021-05-17 20:58:32] -!- Topic for #armagetron is "http://www.armagetronad.org/ | pastebin: http://armagetron.pastebin.com/ | Tournaments: #armagetron.tourneys | Pickup a game: #armagetron.pickup"
[2021-05-17 20:58:32] -!- Topic set by guru3 on 2015-04-22 20:50:50 UTC
[2021-05-17 20:59:42] -!- hitchcock.freenode.net set mode #armagetron +cnrt
[2021-05-17 20:59:50] -!- Channel #armagetron created on 2006-11-26 06:42:45 UTC
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[2021-05-19 13:13:04] -!- Topic for #armagetron is "http://www.armagetronad.org/ | pastebin: http://armagetron.pastebin.com/ | Tournaments: #armagetron.tourneys | Pickup a game: #armagetron.pickup"
[2021-05-19 13:13:04] -!- Topic set by guru3 on 2015-04-22 20:50:50 UTC
[2021-05-19 13:13:11] -!- tolkien.freenode.net set mode #armagetron +cnrt
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[2021-05-19 21:56:53] <Lucifer_arma> Z-Man: guru3_ Ok, where are we going now that freenode's going to suck?
[2021-05-19 21:57:45] <Lucifer_arma> just say fuckit and give in to Discord?
[2021-05-19 22:03:36] <Lucifer_arma> well, discord doesn't pass the smell test for me, but we're so inactive here anyway, I don't know how much it matters anymore
[2021-05-19 22:06:06] <Lucifer_arma> it is a concern to me that the owner of freenode is someone who can lead to us violating treaties/international law and stuff if we stay here.
[2021-05-19 22:06:30] <Lucifer_arma> So I don't know what to do, and in my own life, right now isn't the time for me to have to deal with freenode becoming unfreenode

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[2021-05-20 04:41:16] <guru3_> I've had #armagetron registered on oftc since that time freenode nearly revoked our channel registration because we weren't big enough or something like that
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[2021-05-20 10:39:23] -!- Topic for #armagetron is "http://www.armagetronad.org/ | pastebin: http://armagetron.pastebin.com/ | Tournaments: #armagetron.tourneys | Pickup a game: #armagetron.pickup"
[2021-05-20 10:39:23] -!- Topic set by guru3 on 2015-04-22 20:50:50 UTC
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[2021-05-20 10:39:28] -!- Channel #armagetron created on 2006-11-26 06:42:45 UTC
[2021-05-20 13:15:48] <Z-Man> Discord hasn't done anything evil yet!
[2021-05-20 13:20:02] <Z-Man> I'm not an OS zealot and it does have that thing where you effortlessly can read all of the chat that happened while your devices were offline. I don't trust it to keep chats forever or have them searchable. And of course, I consider anything said there public. I'm reasonably fine with that.
[2021-05-20 13:21:59] <Z-Man> But yes, at least as a fallback, an IRC channel somewhere would be nice. OFTC sounds all right. I was planning to register a channel at libera.chat, the new thing the former freenode staff created, though I assume they're very busy right now.
[2021-05-20 13:29:26] <Z-Man> Err, oops, now I'm there. What was the deal with IRC channels again if you don't take special measures? If you quit, you lose op rights?
[2021-05-20 15:58:23] <Z-Man> Ah, I just registered my nick on libera.chat and reserved the channel as a regular informal channel. That should do for now.
[2021-05-20 16:47:28] <Z-Man> We could ditch IRC entirely and switch to a more modern OSS system. The Godot folks use RocketChat, that has a mobile app and a web client. A nice feature it has: Chat threads. You're not just in a channel spammed with messages and if you want to have a conversation with someone over a couple of days, you have to scroll back pages to see what was last said, hoping you don't miss anything on the way.
[2021-05-20 16:47:52] <Z-Man> Not that that would be a solution to a problem we actually have here :)
[2021-05-20 16:49:00] <Z-Man> There's also MatterMost, Matrix (was that the thing jabber morphed into?) and Convos. I haven't had contact with any of them.
[2021-05-20 17:01:58] <Z-Man> But let's not kid ourselves: Our players are now 99% on Discord. We won't get most of them to join some other network no matter what. I'm fine with IRC.
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[2021-05-20 20:04:37] <Armanelgtron> oh by the way, semi off topic, but I have finally updated my IRC logs viewer thingy ... https://www.armanelgtron.tk/aa/IRC/
[2021-05-20 20:05:38] <Armanelgtron> I wouldn't mind also having logs between 2009 and 2015.. I PM'd dlh but he has not (yet) responded
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[2021-05-21 01:47:50] <Z-Man> I only started using a bouncer in 2016, so I have no usable logs from before that.
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[2021-05-21 10:40:32] <guru3_> I think #armagetron used to be on efnet before freenode?
[2021-05-21 10:42:44] <guru3_> and possibly there was a community on quakenet for a while?
[2021-05-21 10:43:10] <guru3_> (pre forums)
[2021-05-21 13:10:54] <Z-Man> Possibly, but there is no record on netsplit: https://netsplit.de/channels/?chat=armagetron I think they would also return past channels.
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[2021-05-21 13:22:53] <Z-Man> Lucifer_arma, guru3_: Well, I made up my mind. I want to be leaving here soon. Andrew Lee may have the best intentions, but he bought and lawyered himself into a position of power. I don't like that. I don't want to be any part of any number he uses to brag with.
[2021-05-21 13:25:07] <Z-Man> OFTC and libera sound both like valid escape routes. Do you guys have any preferences? Like, a valid reason to avoid libera would be if you think the former freenode staff is also to blame for the drama and that it therefore may repeat there... I'm at both, no problem, if only to squat in the channel :)
[2021-05-21 13:29:01] <Z-Man> luke-jr seems to have followed on libera, Armanelgtron_ is also in both places. MrBougo, P4: polling you as well. Man, this channel used to be bigger.
[2021-05-21 13:32:08] <MrBougo> hello! I'll follow you to lurk on libera for the next decade, sure :)
[2021-05-21 13:33:14] <MrBougo> or oftc, whichever you see fit
[2021-05-21 13:33:30] <Z-Man> Dammit. I'm irreversibly spoiled. I just wanted to give that a thumbs up.
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[2021-05-21 16:50:30] <guru3_> my preference for oftc would be largely because then I wouldn't need to join another network, I don't have any real technical reasons for picking one of the other
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[2021-05-22 02:43:02] <Lucifer_arma> I have a preference for y'all solving this one.  :)  Z-Man guru3_
[2021-05-22 02:43:13] <Lucifer_arma> and yeah, if we want to talk to players, we have to go to Discord, because that's where they are
[2021-05-22 02:43:27] <Lucifer_arma> but if they want to talk to us, they have to come to us, so it's fair ;)
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[2021-05-22 04:39:15] <guru3_> are there any technical considerations between oftc and libera?
[2021-05-22 04:44:33] <guru3_> https://libera.chat/bylaws and https://www.oftc.net/constitution/ for comparing the network organisation
[2021-05-22 04:44:47] <guru3_> or maybe management's a better turn of phrase
[2021-05-22 04:45:55] <guru3_> oftc is a sister organisation of debian apparently, I didn't know that
[2021-05-22 04:46:20] <guru3_> and home to their main irc, which does give my some confidence in oftc being around for a long while yet
[2021-05-22 04:53:57] <guru3_> libera's bylaws don't appear to be especially well setup to stop the same thing from happening to it that's happened to freenode - who currently holds libera's DNS?
[2021-05-22 04:56:26] <Z-Man> libera's NickServ supports GROUP (registering alternative nicknames), oftc's does not. That's all the technical differences I encountered, definitely not a dealbreaker.
[2021-05-22 04:57:31] <Z-Man> I think everything libera is owned by that swedish not-for-profit they set up.
[2021-05-22 05:00:33] <guru3_> that would make sense, but no details on how that NPO is setup
[2021-05-22 05:02:33] <guru3_> it's pretty clear how OFTC's organisation goes up the chain to SPI Inc
[2021-05-22 05:03:54] <guru3_> which is a us-based NPO it seems, with open membership
[2021-05-22 05:06:19] <guru3_> I suppose my main complaint with libera is that at the moment the whole freenode/them situation seems a sketchy and I'm not sure about staying with either network
[2021-05-22 05:06:31] <Z-Man> That's all too complicated for me. I'd go with OFTC because they've been around longer and therefore likely will be around longer.
[2021-05-22 05:07:18] <guru3_> I was also thinking along those lines
[2021-05-22 05:11:02] <Z-Man> Especially since it's an easy to revert decision. No use in spending more time with research than it would take later to switch.
[2021-05-22 05:11:24] <guru3> Z-Man: I've put you on the channel access list with chanserv
[2021-05-22 05:11:40] <Z-Man> yay!
[2021-05-22 05:12:20] * guru3 claps in applause
[2021-05-22 05:12:49] <guru3> using /me now feels nostalgic, considering pretty much all other platforms don't do it
[2021-05-22 06:08:53] <Z-Man> BREAKING NEWS in my bank story. They backpedalled, for now, thanks to a decision of the Bundesgerichtshof (I guess our second highest court?) that says banks cannot simply change contracts and assume no communication from the customer means dissent.
[2021-05-22 06:10:08] <Z-Man>  "We apologize for any inconveniences this -for us unexpected- decision caused you.", they say. Yeah. Because it was the vertict that is causing inconveniences, not the, I repeat, 900% price hike. Their collective noun truly is "wunch".
[2021-05-22 06:14:21] <Z-Man> Why does everything have to go down the drain all at once? It'll just get clogged!
[2021-05-22 06:16:28] <Z-Man> s/dissent/consent three lines up. Gee.
[2021-05-22 06:17:58] <Z-Man> Anyway, I'm still switching banks, obviously, but I'm glad I'm no longer in much of a hurry getting my stuff transferred.
[2021-05-22 06:49:12] <Z-Man> (I'm blowing the price hike out of proportion, obv. It's from 1 to 10 Euro/Month.)
[2021-05-22 07:47:08] <Z-Man> I should probably wait for the first money to arrive at the new bank before I telling everyone....
[2021-05-22 07:47:25] <Z-Man> telling/tell
[2021-05-22 07:56:32] <Z-Man> Discord supports it. I guess Teams and Slack are too professional and serious.
[2021-05-22 10:24:51] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] r1752 Move setting of caption to before screen initialization...
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[2021-05-23 03:32:53] <Z-Man> Lucifer_arma: I may be daft, but I don't think you actually told us your preference :) You mention Discord several times, but don't exaclty shower it with love...
[2021-05-23 03:38:03] <Armanelgtron> So, I went in search of some Armagetron between Walls and Armagetron 0.1.4 as on the "beta" website, and discovered that some of the windows builds and sources have been archived by the wayback machine here.. http://web.archive.org/web/20000831010640/http://pluto.spaceports.com/~zman/armagetron/archive.html
[2021-05-23 03:45:16] <Armanelgtron> the source of 0.1, 0.1.1, 0.1.2, but not 0.1.3, heh
[2021-05-23 03:48:45] <Armanelgtron> er, sorry, not 0.1.1
[2021-05-23 03:48:59] <Armanelgtron> that one was a 404 page from much later
[2021-05-23 05:11:27] <Z-Man> Heh. I'm interested in version history only insofar it helps me answering the qwestion where some strange bug came from :)
[2021-05-23 05:37:46] <Z-Man> But what do you know? My hard drive storage management pays of. The files are all there in /mnt/big/home/manuel_nocrypt/scooter/old/home/manuel/gonzo/manuel/WWW/Spaceports/armagetron/download/.
[2021-05-23 05:38:14] <Z-Man> gonzo was the Dell Inspiron laptop? Scooter was the Latitude successor.
[2021-05-23 05:40:22] <Z-Man> So yeah, whevever I get a new system or hard drive, I copy everything from the old system over into an old/ folder and forget about it. I think I may do a 'make clean' to get rid of object files.
[2021-05-23 05:44:34] <Z-Man> But the other stuff in there dates back to 1999, I did not even have Scooter's predecessor Beaker back then.
[2021-05-23 13:06:51] <Z-Man> https://www.devever.net/~hl/freenode_abuse
[2021-05-23 13:07:41] <Z-Man> Sharing only here because of paranoia it will be used as a trigger search term over at freenode.
[2021-05-23 13:08:07] <Z-Man> Is it paranoia if the fears are justified?
[2021-05-23 13:11:43] <Z-Man> Anyway, we should leave there. Wipe the channel, degegister it, let it be orphaned, do not set the topic to tell people where we are now. It's unlikely we'd be of as much interest as ##hntop, but still.
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[2021-05-23 17:25:09] -!- Topic for #armagetron is "http://www.armagetronad.org/ | pastebin: http://armagetron.pastebin.com/ | Tournaments: #armagetron.tourneys | Pickup a game: #armagetron.pickup"
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[2021-05-23 17:27:59] <Armanelgtron_> "* Nick/channel is temporarily unavailable: Armanelgtron" ????
[2021-05-23 17:49:18] <Z-Man> Armanelgtron_: https://www.irchelp.org/protocol/ndcd.html , it seems.
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[2021-05-23 17:56:02] <Armanelgtron> ah
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[2021-05-24 04:09:29] <guru3> yikes
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[2021-05-24 06:00:43] -!- ChanServ has changed topic for #armagetron to: "About the game http://www.armagetronad.org . Possible replacement for freenode channel. Things are in flux. we will probably end up on OFTC instead."
[2021-05-24 06:21:01] -!- ChanServ has changed topic for #armagetron to: "About the game http://www.armagetronad.org | Possible replacement for freenode channel. Things are in flux. We will probably end up on OFTC instead."
[2021-05-24 06:43:24] <Z-Man> Armanelgtron: I uploaded the really old files I found on my hard drive to SF https://sourceforge.net/projects/armagetronad/files/OldFiles/unsorted/ReallyOld/
[2021-05-24 06:43:39] <Z-Man> and https://sourceforge.net/projects/armagetronad/files/OldFiles/unsorted/ReallyOld/BackWhenItWasCalledWalls/
[2021-05-24 07:09:24] <Z-Man> Right, I'll be deleting my account here in about 36 hours. I'm Z-Man on OFTC and libya, yeah, let's call it that. On Discord, I'm Z-Man#2613.
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[2021-05-25 18:22:06] <Z-Man> Oh man, that weird new user creeped me out!
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[2021-05-25 18:29:52] <Z-Man> Anyway, I'm keeping the account for now, fourth thoughts tell me the new management deserves a chance to settle in... give them time to clear up any misunderstandings... but I log out. See you around.
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[2021-05-25 23:43:41] <Lucifer_arma> woo!  I found it!
[2021-05-25 23:45:11] <Lucifer_arma> Z-Man: My preference was for y'all to figure it out because I already have too much on my plate  :)
[2021-05-25 23:45:34] <Lucifer_arma> MrBougo luke-jr we're all over at oftc now
[2021-05-25 23:45:40] <Lucifer_arma> connect at irc.oftc.net
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[2021-05-26 01:29:29] <Z-Man> Aaaaah I completely parsed your statement wrong, along "I have a preference SO YOU DON'T have to figure it out".
[2021-05-26 05:19:28] <guru3> I'm mildly tickled to see my vague planning for a 'what if we got kicked off freenode' scenario has paid off to some extent
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[2021-05-26 05:23:23] <Armanelgtron> I see you just changed the topic... the pastebin link doesn't seem to go anywhere anymore though, heh
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[2021-05-26 11:59:42] <Z-Man> GAAA. Six hours. It took them six hours to fuck this up. I'll be out of here permanently, just cleaning up. Definitely don't mention the l-word, I was not entirely paranoid, channels apparently have been sacked just for that. Be very careful if you edit the topic.
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[2021-05-26 12:27:27] <Z-Man> Was that subdomain a feature of pastebin or just a quirk everyone exploited? I never used it much.
[2021-05-26 12:41:47] <guru3> I have no idea, I can't remember the last time it was used. I didn't check it before pasteing it over, clearly I should have
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[2021-05-26 12:49:12] <guru3> in case you haven't seen, https://www.gentoo.org/news/2021/05/26/gentoo-freenode-channels-hijacked.html
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[2021-05-26 13:49:26] -!- Topic set by guru3!~guru3@000128ea.user.oftc.net on 2021-05-26 16:43:06 UTC
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[2021-05-26 13:49:53] -!- Topic for #armagetron is "About the game http://www.armagetronad.org | Possible replacement for freenode channel. Things are in flux. We will probably end up on OFTC instead."
[2021-05-26 13:49:53] -!- Topic set by Z-Man on 2021-05-24 10:21:01 UTC
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[2021-05-26 15:06:44] <MrBougo> hello, thanks for the notice :)
[2021-05-26 15:31:41] * Z-Man waves at MrBougo
[2021-05-26 15:34:51] <Z-Man> guru3: yeah, that and about 700 other channels. Hence my sudden re-reconsideration to quickly delete my account there after all :) I dropped my channel privileges first, dunno how they work, not that some other randmom z-man can take them over.
[2021-05-26 15:41:59] <Z-Man> Now I'm mildly annoyed. My original plan was to have my last words something about black holes. About the first galaxy-core class black holes forming back at the beginning of the universe, directly from gas clouds without being stars in between. That the event horizon, an imaginary construct that only makes sense globally, is the first thing to appear, moving outwards at the speed of light, like it always does; inside, the inevitable 
[2021-05-26 15:41:59] <Z-Man> singularity only forms later. So there are regions in spacetime, with maybe conditions where a well protected human could survive, where there is not yet a singularity in any present, but nevertheless in all possible, all too soon, futures.
[2021-05-26 15:42:11] <Z-Man> That would have been fitting, but it's wasted now :(
[2021-05-26 15:43:08] <Z-Man> After ##hntop, freenode folks surely must have known what the reaction to rolling that out en masse would be?
[2021-05-26 15:57:29] <Z-Man> The paranoid me thinks they're doing that on purpose, as a trap. There was a spambot in other channels spewing antisemitic garbage, pretending to be libera staff, urging people to move over. So maybe they're trying to frame this as a culture war, trying to get ... whatever partisan group to fill freenode up as the unwanted nerds leave? Surely they can't be that incompetent?
[2021-05-26 15:58:33] <Z-Man> The part of me that remembers the real world quickly chimes in with "Yes, oh yes. They can be."
[2021-05-26 16:01:29] <Z-Man> In other news, for the first time in ages, there was a soccer game with fans allowed today at the stadium a kilometer away. And for the first time ever, we saw hooligans (probably) get arrested on our street! Yay for excitement! They didn't smash anything here.
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[2021-05-26 19:37:53] <Lucifer_arma> to finally chime in on my preferences, now that I've actually got a few minutes, I did, indeed, prefer oftc to libya.  OFTC, being a close relative of Debian, definitely seems to be the best place to go besides freenode
[2021-05-26 19:38:25] <Lucifer_arma> and before I came over here, I pinged everyone that was left :)
[2021-05-26 19:39:12] <Lucifer_arma> now, time to get the word out that we're restarting recovery dharma meetings on Tuesdays.
[2021-05-26 19:39:48] <Lucifer_arma> my friend who was going to facilitate them has gone off the grid, and with what little information I have, I'm looking at either a potential suicide or her death by cirrhosis
[2021-05-26 19:40:33] <Lucifer_arma> and the only way for me to know what's going on with her is if she resurfaces and starts talking.  :(  The problems with anonymous recovery meeting groups are similar to problems we've discussed here, you know, in case of emergency or somesuch thing
[2021-05-26 19:49:19] <Lucifer_arma> Like I said, got lots on my plate right now :/
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[2021-05-27 02:29:15] <Z-Man> I hope she's fine. Maybe she just missed one appointment, felt bad about it, missed the next out of shame for missing the first... I'm like that sometimes.
[2021-05-27 04:33:42] <Lucifer_arma> Z-Man: I wish that were the case.  That's not what happened.  I know her through my recovery group, so I only have her number.  No family, no friends, nothing.
[2021-05-27 04:34:22] <Lucifer_arma> she was talking just fine, like normal, and then nothing.  I asked her what was up, she said she was fine, she just "moves on" as it were.  Then she asked me to be a guest speaker at a recovery meeting.
[2021-05-27 04:35:14] <Lucifer_arma> In this meeting, we were talking to people in a rehab facility, telling them why Recovery Dharma is the group they should join.  So we did that.  Afterwards, we talked.
[2021-05-27 04:35:37] <Lucifer_arma> She had very recently been diagnosed with cirrhosis, which is something only drunks get.  Stage 4.  So, she's going to die soon.  Period.
[2021-05-27 04:36:21] <Lucifer_arma> then she told me how she drank 4 glasses of wine and went to the hospital.  Now, she's previously gotten drunk and gone to the hospital for being drunk.  But I've done the same "drink and go to the hospital", and I know how it works.
[2021-05-27 04:36:52] <Lucifer_arma> You only get to the hospital in the first place if you're suicidal.  So I put two and two together and figured out that she got her diagnosis and then drank a bunch in a suicide attempt.
[2021-05-27 04:37:19] <Lucifer_arma> I didn't get to confirm that.  I do try to live a fact-based life, after all, so my suspicions needed confirmation.  When I went to talk to her again, she had disappeared.
[2021-05-27 04:38:02] <Lucifer_arma> Now, she's not answering texts, actual phone calls go straight to voicemail, and she's disappeared from Facebook.  A co-friend of ours has confirmed her disappearance from Facebook.
[2021-05-27 04:38:41] <Lucifer_arma> So, current theory is that she tried to kill herself again (the first wine-drinking incident being a suicide attempt), and that she went to the hospital.  Somehow, in the process, Facebook noticed she was suicidal and temporarily disabled her account.
[2021-05-27 04:39:13] <Lucifer_arma> it's a solid theory.  But there's no way to know what happened if she died.  If she survived, then we'll know when she makes contact again.
[2021-05-27 04:39:40] <Lucifer_arma> Also, damn, my life is intense.
[2021-05-27 04:39:47] <Lucifer_arma> Just, damn.
[2021-05-27 04:42:13] <Lucifer_arma> it's got to be exhausting sometimes for y'all to just hear about it.  No wonder I'm so tired these days.
[2021-05-27 04:42:29] <Lucifer_arma> Now, off to try to talk to Anthrax, because apparently I never stop.
[2021-05-27 05:47:14] <Lucifer_arma> guru3: hey, are you ever going to go back to the forums theme that I made that actually works?  Or are you going to stick with broke-ass shit?
[2021-05-27 05:49:52] <guru3> this feels like an oops moment in which I did not know there was a fixed theme
[2021-05-27 05:50:25] <guru3> I haven't actually been reading the forums so if it was posted there I've simply not seen it, apoligies
[2021-05-27 05:50:34] <guru3> but if you link it here I can see about getting it installed this weekend
[2021-05-27 09:14:38] <Armanelgtron> I don't know about any other themes, but I did work on getting the lackarma2 theme ( within https://code.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-web/armagetronad/themes ) working with phpbb 3.2 a couple years ago
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[2021-05-27 10:38:24] -!- Topic set by Z-Man on 2021-05-26 20:29:08 UTC
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[2021-05-29 07:17:01] <Z-Man> Lucifer_arma: aww, that's too bad. But don't worry, it's not exhausting to hear about it. Share if it helps you.
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[2021-05-29 11:41:46] <Z-Man> That 'aww' was not meant to sound sarcastic. More a "well, shit."
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[2021-05-30 04:10:02] <Lucifer_arma> guru3: Armanelgtron: I got that theme working when I got out of rehab.  I was pissed as hell when you upgraded the forums and you ROLLED BACK the theme and found it didn't work
[2021-05-30 04:10:26] <Lucifer_arma> seriously, just do the pull, see if it works.  If it does, run it.  With ALL the themes.  I made them all work.
[2021-05-30 04:11:49] <Lucifer_arma> If they don't work, TELL ME.  I Fucking made them all work.  I'm also pissed that lightron didn't use my wiki themes, for EXACTLY THE SAME REASON.
[2021-05-30 04:12:05] <Lucifer_arma> Well, in that case, I didn't make sure they worked on mobile browsers.  So that's a fair criticism.
[2021-05-30 04:12:44] <Lucifer_arma> but damn, the most recent work I've done for this project has been literally rejected by the triumvirate member in charge of the asset.  That hurts.  Why should I do more work?
[2021-05-30 04:13:17] <Lucifer_arma> Also, lightron needs to get with me to work on the wiki themes, because DAMN I put a lot of work into those
[2021-05-30 04:13:22] <Lucifer_arma> also
[2021-05-30 04:14:08] <Lucifer_arma> Z-Man: Yeah, I still don't have any word about her.  I'm doing the Qui Gon Jin thing and living in the moment.  Regardless of what's happened with her, there's nothing I can do without further information
[2021-05-30 04:14:39] <Lucifer_arma> but current information is that she's probably in long-term treatment.  If she were dead, chances are her facebook account would say something.  Except her husband's a d-bag.  According to her.
[2021-05-30 04:14:55] <Lucifer_arma> so I'm going with "she's probably alive and in treatment and has no phone access"
[2021-05-30 04:21:57] <guru3> ok slightly annoying issue which I'd forgotten about
[2021-05-30 04:22:02] <guru3> bzr is no longer available in the gentoo default repository
[2021-05-30 04:30:04] <guru3> I wonder if I can get it in a conda environment
[2021-05-30 08:17:01] <guru3> I've installed all of the phpBB3 themes that were in bzr
[2021-05-30 08:17:10] <guru3> and they seem to kind of work, but I'm not sure they entirely are working properly
[2021-05-30 08:17:28] <guru3> I'm pretty sure user registration at least is broken on all of them
[2021-05-30 08:17:38] <guru3> although I'm still checking that out
[2021-05-30 08:17:42] <guru3> I needed to add 
[2021-05-30 08:17:43] <guru3> phpbb_version = 3.2
[2021-05-30 08:17:48] <guru3> to style.cfg to get phpBB to detect them
[2021-05-30 08:17:58] <guru3> (although we're on phpBB 3.3)
[2021-05-30 08:20:43] <guru3> https://forums3.armagetronad.net/?style=5 https://forums3.armagetronad.net/?style=6 https://forums3.armagetronad.net/?style=7 https://forums3.armagetronad.net/?style=8
[2021-05-30 08:20:58] <guru3> that'll link to the style preview mode
[2021-05-30 08:23:37] <guru3> without registration working I can't set any to default
[2021-05-30 08:23:48] <guru3> and I don't have any idea what's blocking that right now
[2021-05-30 08:30:39] <guru3> seems like <a was changed to <input for the buttons
[2021-05-30 08:32:30] <guru3> that's a fairly trivial change to make, if people could have a look around the themes and see if they notice any missing/incorrect functionality
[2021-05-30 08:34:22] <guru3> and also if anyone knows/remembers anything about which version of phpBB3 the themes were written for and if running them on phpBB3.3 will cause any issues
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