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[17:51:11] <Lucifer_arma> I have just determined that Ubuntu LTS releases functioned as enablers for my drinking
[17:51:34] <Lucifer_arma> They did so by making it possible for me to go two years at a time without upgrading my OS, which can be difficult to keep up with if you're drunk ;)
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[20:44:17] <Lucifer_arma> alrighty then.  Got my new OS installed onto my new hard drive.  Computer is working again.  Not yet at 100%, but at least it's working.
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[21:10:22] <ct|kyle> Lucifer_arma: Welcome back
[21:10:24] <Lucifer_arma> So how does this make sense?
[21:10:36] <Lucifer_arma> I have used the same software for years, on old hardware that's been supported for years
[21:10:49] <Lucifer_arma> None of this software has gotten significant new features that have changed how I use it in any way
[21:11:06] <Lucifer_arma> why in the hell am I still having to run "Software Updates" every couple of days?  What the hell are they updating?
[21:11:27] <ct|kyle> lots of patching?
[21:12:41] <ct|kyle> Firefox has changed a lot in 2 years
[21:13:07] <Lucifer_arma> I can't help but compare it to replacing working parts in a car just because the new parts have fewer old flaws, but introduce new ones that will inevitably require replacing on an otherwise perfectly funcational vehicle
[21:13:54] <Lucifer_arma> what about Kate?  The only new feature it's gotten in ten years that I can see is changing the scrollbar to a rendering of the text file that's open
[21:14:13] <Lucifer_arma> what about Bash?  What in the hell can they possibly still be adding to bash?
[21:14:44] <ct|kyle> who said they were adding
[21:14:57] <Lucifer_arma> then why does it need regular updating?
[21:15:09] <ct|kyle> did't the kernel lines of code get reduced recently
[21:15:21] <Lucifer_arma> it's the most-used shell, and has been for like three decades.  Is it really possible it still has bugs in it?
[21:15:32] <Lucifer_arma> I don't know.  The kernel updates make sense.  :)
[21:15:47] <ct|kyle> bugs or ways to optimize stuff
[21:16:06] <Lucifer_arma> but I wonder, with apps like Kate, how much work they do on the app just to keep it compatible with changes in the underlying toolkits
[21:16:38] <ct|kyle> I feel like a lot of the KDE platform apps just get updated to support the new release of kde
[21:16:39] <Lucifer_arma> like, I'd be surprised if less than 99% of work done on Kate isn't just fixing flags added to Qt because they wanted Kate to keep behaving the same
[21:17:15] <Lucifer_arma> they need new builds to stay compatible with the libraries, no doubt, and if a library changes because of a fix there, then any app depending on it has to be updated too
[21:17:24] <ct|kyle> there are also new lanfuages / syntaxes they might be trying to support too
[21:17:31] <ct|kyle> languages*
[21:17:43] <Lucifer_arma> those are done through text files that describe the language
[21:17:56] <Lucifer_arma> afaik, the format of that file hasn't changed in a loooooooooong time
[21:18:34] <ct|kyle> I'm sure they probbaoly added stuff fo rust, go, kotlin ...
[21:19:06] <Lucifer_arma> heh, apps I don't use ;)
[21:19:29] <Lucifer_arma> here's one:  command-not-found
[21:20:04] <Lucifer_arma> you know, the little script that runs when bash can't find the command you typed, and it says something like "dick not found.  It probably exists in packages fake-dick, dildo, etc."
[21:20:25] <Lucifer_arma> Kubuntu 18.10, and here we are in 19.02 and fucking command-not-found has an update
[21:20:40] <Lucifer_arma> that's four months since release
[21:21:08] <Lucifer_arma> but wait, it's Kubuntu 18.10.2, so it's not even what was released in october.  how many times have they already updated command-not-found in this release sequence?
[21:23:07] <ct|kyle> don't the "update" ie everytime there is a new distro update, because all packages must be made for said distro?
[21:23:49] <ct|kyle> which is stupid, but that's what a binary system does
[21:23:50] <Lucifer_arma> doesn't it just do a quick grep through the package database?
[21:24:08] <Lucifer_arma> how about tzdata?
[21:24:22] <Lucifer_arma> why is tzdata needing an update?  Did Russia create a new timezone or something?
[21:24:45] <ct|kyle> actually that one may be to handle some new leap seconds :P
[21:24:59] <Lucifer_arma> nah, those are handled through the time servers :)
[21:25:20] <Lucifer_arma> also, why is it 2019 and we have :P, but we still don't have something to represent "grabs your stuck out tongue"?
[21:25:38] <Lucifer_arma> because irl, if you stuck your tongue out at me, I'd try to grab it
[21:26:35] <Lucifer_arma> these updates need to hurry up.  I forgot to install bzr before running it, and I want to get davenetgame from my other computer, where I kept a backup of it just in case my hard drive crashed :)
[21:26:51] <ct|kyle> Lucifer_arma: because luke-jr has not paid to have it added to UTF emojis like the tonal stuff
[21:27:21] <Lucifer_arma> the tonal stuff?  I think I blocked those from my memory.  Do I want it refreshed?
[21:27:30] <ct|kyle> no
[21:28:11] <ct|kyle> Lucifer_arma: did you block luke-jr too ?
[21:28:15] <Lucifer_arma> here's one for plasma:  now that they have the Windows 10 taskbar, why haven't they merged the systray with it?
[21:28:23] <Lucifer_arma> no.  New OS install.
[21:28:36] <Lucifer_arma> unless I blocked him here in irc, but I don't remember doing that.
[21:36:51] <ct|kyle> why does freciv need an update :P
[21:41:03] <luke-jr> it doesn't
[21:43:50] <Lucifer_arma> what's freciv?
[21:47:16] <luke-jr> I wonder if it's possible to make an artificial onsen
[22:00:17] <Lucifer_arma> onsen?
[22:01:07] <Lucifer_arma> I wish plasma still supported different background images for each virtual desktop
[22:01:15] <Lucifer_arma> I guess I'll have to learn about activities.  :/
[22:03:32] <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: mineral hot springs they have in Japan (due to volcanic proximity)
[22:06:11] <Lucifer_arma> ah
[22:06:16] <Lucifer_arma> why not just throw some sulfur into a hot tub?
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