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Log from 2018-03-01:
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[16:25:14] <Z-Man> you mean undead, I presume.
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[20:12:51] <Lucifer_arma> I really would have preferred a segue to the hot sauce conversation.  ;)
[20:20:42] <Lucifer_arma> That would have been hot.
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Log from 2018-03-02:
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Log from 2018-03-03:
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[15:26:12] <G5> So sad no-one is playing Area anymore. Most of the traditional servers are gone.
[15:27:09] <G5> I miss it. We need a ad campaign.
[15:27:49] <G5> @luke-jr You sold some BTC at a good rate? :D
[15:36:32] <luke-jr> not really
[15:41:10] <G5> Why not? You are/were the one running a mining pool, aren't you?
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[17:20:49] <Lucifer_arma> I finally got a computer capable of running arma again
[17:21:06] <Lucifer_arma> I was in a server the other night, but I have to mess around with my keybinds because this keyboard is wonky
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Log from 2018-03-04:
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Log from 2018-03-05:
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[11:57:12] <luke-jr> I had a dream about Arma. Not very realistic, but there were circle walls you could grind all the way to the centre of a spiral and flip back out at top speed.
[11:57:39] <luke-jr> obv this won't work since you can't follow curved walls currently
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[15:26:31] <wrtlprnft> there are no curved walls in arma, IIRC
[15:42:07] <Lucifer_arma> we could only make an approximation, but it's possible.  Still need to have the ability to hit the wall at an acute angle and instead of crashing, getting turned to grind on the wall
[15:44:22] <Lucifer_arma> also a button-down/button-up handler to make the cycle rotate at a particular rate
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[19:00:50] <ct|kyle> We should just make a new one, have luke-jr fund it with his bitcoins :)
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[19:56:48] <Lucifer_arma> heh
[19:57:07] <Lucifer_arma> hey, if we're willing to switch out to python to make a new one, we can use my game network library :)
[19:57:12] <Lucifer_arma> then I'd get help working on it...
[19:57:48] <Lucifer_arma> also, panda3d has come a long way since we last talked about it, and even has an experimental android port
[20:06:46] <ct|kyle> I think if we created it from ground up it would have to support mobile
[21:34:26] <Lucifer_arma> it's reasonable to expect panda3d to support mobile
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[21:34:46] <Lucifer_arma> I think that's in their list of must-haves for the next major release
[21:35:53] <Lucifer_arma> my son and I are looking at getting my game network library working, then working with panda3d for 3d games and kivy for 2d games, because kivy already supports android, and I believe iOS
[21:36:20] <Lucifer_arma> on android, you use Jython to compile to java bytecode, and basically run as a native app at that point, since Java is the "native" language for android
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[21:37:04] <Lucifer_arma> for kivy, that is.  Panda3d will have an embedded python interpreter on android
[21:37:38] <Lucifer_arma> my son was reticent about panda3d, but he finally went through the screenshots of existing commercial games using panda and he was wowed by what he saw.  :)
[21:38:39] <Lucifer_arma> if I get far enough along with my game network library, I intend to give it plugin support that might make it possible to make it compatible with arma.  In the unlikely event that that happens, I'll probably build a proof-of-concept arma client with panda
[21:38:53] <Lucifer_arma> but I'm still working on object syncing

Log from 2018-03-06:
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[00:30:36] <Aix_> Here is a proof of concept: armagetron running on plasma-mobile: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1EfI5d-ne7SBxX3qw1Xv5NLZK8xz67qfW needs touch controls tho
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Log from 2018-03-07:
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Log from 2018-03-08:
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Log from 2018-03-09:
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Log from 2018-03-10:
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Log from 2018-03-11:
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Log from 2018-03-12:
[02:02:11] <Lucifer_arma> currently archiving all of my 32-bit stuff.  Finally moving to a 64-bit computer.
[02:02:19] * Lucifer_arma is a bit behind the times.
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[17:25:29] <word> hi
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[17:40:42] <wrtlprnft> *32 bits, to be precise
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Log from 2018-03-13:
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[00:44:19] <shoebat> orly?
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Log from 2018-03-14:
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Log from 2018-03-15:
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Log from 2018-03-16:
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Log from 2018-03-17:
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[09:24:36] <jimlun> good afternoon
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[17:01:59] <Z-Man> Just in case anyone's wondering: Regular internet is out for me. Right now, I talk from my PC over the Raspi which goes to the router which goes over my cell phone which has to talk to the cell phone tower almost straight above us trough about two meters of steel reinforced concrete. It's as much fun as it sounds.
[19:57:47] <Lucifer_arma> Wow.  Storms?  Or just bad internet?
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Log from 2018-03-18:
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[10:30:55] <Z-Man> Just bad inernet. Some fault in the line and our provider seems to have an especially convoluted procedure before someone gets off their ass to check.
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[19:00:29] <Lucifer_arma> I hate that.  I once had the internet go out, and I called tech support, and they said there were no outages.  I found out my upstairs neighbor had no cable TV, so I called in the cable TV complaint and they had someone out there in 15 minutes, and it was fixed in an hour.
[19:00:40] <Lucifer_arma> our internet was back up, of course, because it was the same network.
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[19:56:48] <Lucifer_arma> we're being afflicted by Trump's former lovers
[19:56:52] <Lucifer_arma> it's gotten stormy here
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[01:48:25] <Z-Man> As far as we know, we're the only ones affected in this house. The problem is: We've got a multitude of phone and internet companies everyone can choose from. Not a bad thing per se, but there's still only one connector box with clips for each household that all the companies have to operate on.
[01:49:15] <Z-Man> So it can happen that company X accidentally kills a connection belonging to company Y and they don't even have a chance to notice their mistake.
[01:49:50] <Z-Man> And company Y doesn't know anything was done on that box, so they're clueless as well.
[01:50:15] <Z-Man> I guess we'll just switch over to company X and let them break everyone else's internet :)
[01:52:51] <Z-Man> (Seriously, though, they said on thursday they'll have someone do a check within 48 hours. Haven't heard from them since. OK, the 48 hours spilled into the weekend, but even allowing for that, they're still late. All of that, of course, after taking 36 hours to even process the complaint.)
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[04:06:27] <Lucifer_arma> Tht sucks a lot
[04:06:54] <Lucifer_arma> but damn, now I have to reconfigure my desktop, since I finally did a fresh OS install
[04:17:14] <Lucifer_arma> now I have to learn all new icons.  :(
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[08:33:51] <Lucifer_arma> One thing about having a clean install is that I can finally clean up all my old shit.
[08:34:18] <Lucifer_arma> ~20GB of space taken up that I couldn't account for.  All of it gets fixed when I sort through and keep only what I need to survive.
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[17:16:07] * wrtlprnft feels at home on almost every linux desktop once he's copied over his .vimrc ;-)
[19:05:56] * Lucifer_arma doesn't use vim.  It's the Kate configuration that matters to Lucifer_arma.
[19:07:50] <Lucifer_arma> Also, now there's an icon-only task manager.  I might start using a task manager again.
[19:13:52] <Lucifer_arma> doesn't mv * also move all the . files and directories?
[19:16:24] <Lucifer_arma> well, there goes all my ssh keys
[19:29:52] <Lucifer_arma> if Ubuntu 17.10 is Artful Ardvaark, then 18.04 should be Beautiful Bacchus

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[15:28:08] <Lucifer_arma> Man, I never thought I'd be so happy to vacuum, but we finally have our living room clean enough and organized enough that there's a floor there that can be vacuumed.
[15:28:37] <Lucifer_arma> this is a huge change for us, since the other two people living with me are hoarders, and it's taken a shit ton of work to get here
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[16:43:54] <Lucifer_arma> and here I had decided to program and do no housework today, but it bothers me that the living room isn't finished, heh
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[03:07:27] <Lucifer_arma> Ok, I have a nominal working sync system that still has a number of important missing features, like actually creating new objects and telling clients about them.  Heh.
[03:16:20] <Lucifer_arma> No wonder my son couldn't figure out how to do anything with my game network library.
[03:16:41] <Lucifer_arma> The docs suck like a porn star banging a president.
[04:18:40] <Lucifer_arma> is there any reason to support python 2.7 in a new python module?  Or should I just finally make the jump to python 3?
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[07:25:12] <Lucifer_arma> Damn.  Having to rewrite significant portions of my network library because I was drunk when I wrote so much of it
[07:25:14] <Lucifer_arma> oops
[07:25:41] <Lucifer_arma> but hey, now I know how you end up with three different implementations that don't work together, but still have a functioning network library
[14:02:10] <ct|kyle> must not have been at the ballmer peak Lucifer_arma
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[21:39:45] <Lucifer_arma> ct|kyle: ballmer peak?
[21:40:28] <ct|kyle> Lucifer_arma: https://xkcd.com/323/
[21:41:38] <Lucifer_arma> heh
[21:41:41] <Lucifer_arma> no, I wasn't
[21:41:57] <Lucifer_arma> I wrote three different parts of the library under three different designs thinking they were all the same
[21:42:25] <Lucifer_arma> amazing the damn thing even worked at all, but when it was time to add to it, I was awake for 18 hours and looking at code I wrote a year and a half ago, probably with a bac about 0.014
[21:42:31] <Lucifer_arma> *above
[21:46:07] <ct|kyle> year and a half old caode always looks bad to a programmer, no matter the intoxication
[21:46:13] <ct|kyle> code*

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[13:58:05] <Lucifer_arma> While true print "But this code sucked more than expected for year and a half code.";
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[15:19:25] <Lucifer_arma> Then there's that moment where you wrote really funny apidocs, and you don't want to add a new feature because doing so would render your really funny apidocs obsolete and that particular section has to be rewritten.
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[22:57:49] <Lucifer_arma> Z-Man: how easy is it to embed messages into other messages in protobuffers?
[22:58:22] <Lucifer_arma> like, are you stuck with a tree-like structure, or can you have another .proto file that defines additional members to add to an existing message?

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[00:44:10] <Z-Man> Lucifer_arma: IIRC, it's super easy, like C structs.
[00:44:10] <Z-Man> If you have message A, it can just include message B as a sub-message.
[00:44:11] <Z-Man> If you later add an optional data element to B, it'll also be in the B that's part of A.
[00:44:37] <Z-Man> (Everything you add needs to be optional if you want to keep compatibility)
[00:44:50] <Z-Man> A and B don't need to be defined in the same file, of course.
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[05:01:13] <Lucifer_arma> zmanuel: so I'm still limited to a tree-like structure, then?  So, if B is a submessage of A, then to get to a member of B, I'd have to do something like A.B['memberofB']?
[05:01:27] <Lucifer_arma> or rather, A.B.memberofB
[05:01:56] <Lucifer_arma> I wouldn't be able to declare B to be something to be added later and have it be included as a peer to A, so I can't access a member of B by going A.memberofB?
[05:02:55] <Lucifer_arma> the idea here is that, in my game network library, I want to add an optional member to each standard message type the library uses to allow people using the library to add optional members to the standard messages without having to create new message types that do the same thing as existing message types
[05:04:40] <zmanuel> That would be inheritance. I don't know if that is supported. On a protocol level certainly not, it would cause chaos with the element ids.
[05:05:30] <Lucifer_arma> Ah, right, duh.  I think it's not supported.  I remember looking, because I wanted all the basic message types to have several members that are the same (message ID, timestamp, etc)
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[05:35:07] <testman> sup duds
[05:35:18] <Lucifer_arma> dud?
[05:35:24] <testman> Armagetron Advanced 2 with new engine when?
[05:35:39] <Lucifer_arma> um, probably never?  heh
[05:35:43] <testman> :(
[05:35:57] <Lucifer_arma> I'm currently unemployed, if your pockets are deep enough, I could make it happen
[05:36:16] <testman> how deep?
[05:36:24] <testman> I can throw 100 EUR at you
[05:36:48] <Lucifer_arma> that wouldn't get me far enough to be able to commit in such a way that you wouldn't feel like you threw your money away, sorry
[05:37:29] <Lucifer_arma> I have a plan, but for it to actually happen, I need either a solid income in the meantime (which takes away development time) or a few extra hands coding (which aren't available right now)
[05:37:36] <testman> I should have gotten into Bitcoin around 2011, then I could pay people to make games for me
[05:37:43] <Lucifer_arma> heh
[05:38:00] <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I should've listened to luke-jr and mined  couple back when it was cheap and easy.
[05:38:23] <Lucifer_arma> I could've sat on them and sold them as the bubble went up and made a few bucks
[05:38:32] <testman> I actually tried to use Godot Engine to make something that could become the sequel to Armagetron.
[05:38:42] <Lucifer_arma> but that bubble's going to burst (and may be right now)
[05:38:43] <testman> Actually, why don't you make a Kickstarter or Patreon?
[05:39:11] <Lucifer_arma> I might, if I could get some other people to agree to the plan
[05:39:19] <Lucifer_arma> for that to happen, I have to share the details, heh
[05:39:21] <testman> any ideas for plan yet?
[05:39:30] <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it's simple, really
[05:39:40] <Lucifer_arma> I'm working on a pure python game network library
[05:39:44] <Lucifer_arma> so, first step: make that work
[05:39:58] <Lucifer_arma> second step: make it possible to implement legacy arma network protocol with it
[05:40:14] <Lucifer_arma> third step: tempt zmanuel enough with it that he decides to write a pure python arma server
[05:40:21] <Lucifer_arma> fourth step: write a panda3d game client
[05:41:24] <testman> Do you intentionally want to work so low level / so from scratch?
[05:41:34] <testman> Did you ever check out Godot Engine?
[05:41:36] <Lucifer_arma> it's not that low level
[05:41:54] <Lucifer_arma> zmanuel did.  I sorta looked at it, but I didn't like the "custom" language it uses
[05:42:10] <Lucifer_arma> the two big languages in the game industry right now that matter are python and lua
[05:42:19] <Lucifer_arma> so I'm not going to favor anything that doesn't use one of those
[05:43:02] <Lucifer_arma> and, as far as "from scratch" is concerned, the python standard library provides every single thing the server needs, as it works right now
[05:43:20] <Lucifer_arma> so a pure python arma server, using my network library, would only have one dependency, instead of the 37 dependencies it has right now
[05:43:47] <Lucifer_arma> a  python+panda3d arma server could use the panda engine to improve performance, though, which would give it the exact same dependencies the hypothetical client would have
[05:44:05] <Lucifer_arma> the panda3d engine gives us literally our entire wish list and more for the client
[05:44:21] <Lucifer_arma> including the experimental android port
[05:45:19] <Lucifer_arma> it's a good plan that also results in a solid python game network library being released for other people to use
[05:47:12] <Lucifer_arma> I'm working on the first step of that plan right now, because the primary purpose of the game network library is for me and my son to write games together
[05:48:46] <testman> The "custom" language it uses (GDscript) is the most Python thing I have ever seen besides Python itself.
[05:49:55] <Lucifer_arma> does it have access to the python standard library, as well as the myriad third-party python modules?
[05:50:13] <Lucifer_arma> it's not the language that matters so much as it is the support that comes with it
[05:51:22] <Lucifer_arma> I chose python for my network library for several reasons, besides personal preference.  On Android, you can use Kivy+Jython to run a python app on the JVM
[05:51:49] <testman> oh, nice
[05:51:49] <Lucifer_arma> on the desktop, you can use pygame or Kivy for 2d games, or panda3d for 3d games
[05:52:04] <Lucifer_arma> I think Kivy also support iOS, but I'm not sure about that
[05:52:32] <Lucifer_arma> so, basically, my network library, written in pure python with only the python standard library as dependency, will be extremely flexible
[05:52:58] <Lucifer_arma> one of the use cases I'm using to design it is "implement legacy Arma protocol", regardless of whether or not anybody actually does that
[05:53:03] <Lucifer_arma> but that's how flexible I want it to be
[05:54:51] <Lucifer_arma> if I achieve all of my design goals, then there becomes a real possibility that an arma rewrite with Python happens
[05:55:20] <Lucifer_arma> and the panda3d engine is a top-notch, commercial+academically supported game engine that's not disappearing anytime soon
[05:55:39] <Lucifer_arma> (It's maintained out of CMU, with a number of commercial studios using/supporting it)
[05:57:59] <Lucifer_arma> so, if I were to put a price on what it takes to get that far, we're probably talking several thousand US dollars to take me off the job market and working full-time on this
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[06:00:51] <testman> I don't know how much interest there is for a Armagetron sequel / remake, but probably not enough to crowdfund for full-time job.
[06:02:17] <testman> Maybe you could get some monetary support as an incentive to work in your free time (provided you would have any). But if in all these years there was no interest for more lightcycles, I don't see why there would be now.
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[06:02:43] <testman> Tron Legacy was 8 years ago and Tron 3 got canned AFAIK
[06:03:55] <Lucifer_arma> well, the "legacy" protocol I'm talking about is the current arma protocol.  If this rewrite happens using my network library, then the new series would use the library's protocol (with customizations as needed) and would only use the current arma protocol for backwards compatibility
[07:28:22] <Lucifer_arma> zmanuel: is there a reason the server *must* report ping to the client?  Or is it reasonable for the client to calculate ping for itself?
[07:34:18] <zmanuel> The arms server mostly sends the ePlayer ping to the clients so that the clients know the pings of the other clients. Once upon a time, this was required for the ping charity time sync algorithm.
[07:34:52] <zmanuel> For itself, the client can calculate its own ping.
[07:39:15] <Lucifer_arma> so there's no technical reason the client shouldn't do it?
[07:39:37] <Lucifer_arma> other than the server has more round-trips to work with, since the client mostly sends commands and acks
[11:15:08] <Lucifer_arma> zmanuel: Turns out there's another Z-man, and he used to work for Microsoft.  http://www.indiegameguy.com/blogs/zman/default.aspx
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[16:58:22] <Z-Man> Is that the same ZMan that runs/used to run ZManGames? I'm still on phone internet and it's too painful to look myself.
[17:07:48] <Z-Man> Apparently not.
[17:07:51] <Z-Man> Oh, but I do remember your ZMan from the XNA forums. Seemed like a nice and competent guy.
[17:10:52] <Z-Man> On the topic of no internet, fucking wankers. So in their first "your error report is being processed" message, they ask you not to contact them asking about progress so they can process everyone smoothly.
[17:11:12] <Z-Man> Guess what happens when you do that? They forget about you.
[17:14:24] <Z-Man> I'm pretty sure making any from-scrach project network compatible with armagetron is pointless. By the time the new thing is in a playable state, really absolutely nobody will be playing on the old servers.
[17:14:59] <Z-Man> And unless you completely botch it, nobody but /dev/null would want to connect to the new servers with the old clients.
[17:15:59] <Z-Man> Now, making the new servers able to import old settings and interpret them as best as they can in new game logic, that would be useful.
[18:27:36] <ct|kyle> if the update is sty+ct compadable, I'd update my servers
[18:28:01] <ct|kyle> Bugfarm wild fortress :P
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[23:26:46] <Lucifer_arma> Well, Z-man, you just made the best argument for completely breaking compatibility with older versions.
[23:27:11] <Lucifer_arma> ct|kyle: you'd go with a pure python server no problem.  Maybe it sty+ct compatible would be a breeze, so even if it didn't have it out of the box, you'd still go for it :P
[23:27:44] <Lucifer_arma> Z-Man: and, yeah, that's the ZMan from the XNA forums.  I was tired of looking at code, so I was trying to see what it would take to make panda3d work on the xbox 360

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[01:38:47] <zmanuel> Lucifer_arma: You'll have more luck with the XBox One. That one supports Universal Windows Apps, i think they're called.
[01:39:53] <zmanuel> XNA may still work on the 360, but the horribly neglected marketplace for it has been shut down/will be shut down in the next year.
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[03:36:08] <Lucifer_arma> zmanuel: There's even a way to get the SDK for free for indie developers.  The catch is that I own an xbox 360, not an xbox one
[03:36:43] <Lucifer_arma> You do have to pay for UWP builds, but you can go with xbox one-only builds for free.
[03:37:12] <Lucifer_arma> But it's only like $99 to get a personal development license.  Whether or not you can contribute the extra code/build chain stuff back to an open source project is up for debate
[03:37:28] <Lucifer_arma> and then I get to make panda3d work on a game console I don't own :)
[03:38:19] <Lucifer_arma> the question I didn't get answered was: Can I develop for xbox one under such a license and be backwards compatible with xbox 360?
[03:38:56] <Lucifer_arma> The answer is "maybe".  The native development tools (read: not XNA) are actually for the windows phone.  I forget exactly which version it is, though, but the SDK for the windows phone and the xbox 360 is the same.
[03:39:49] <Lucifer_arma> the former XNA marketplace and XBox Live are being folded into a generic marketplace that, I understand, will support both xbox 360 games and xbox one games, and they're doing away with the dumb separations
[03:40:21] <Lucifer_arma> so the XNA marketplace isn't going away, exactly, it's just that the three downloadable game distribution channels that used to exist are being combined into one
[03:40:39] <Lucifer_arma> so indie games, published games, and "other" games (not sure what those are) will all be in the same marketplace
[03:40:58] <Lucifer_arma> I learned way more about how the xbox markets work than I even cared to know.  I just wanted to know how to get my hands on an sdk
[03:41:13] <Lucifer_arma> but nooooo.  It's all microsoft, there's no simple thing about it.
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[07:20:10] <ct|kyle> Lucifer_arma: Python is fine with me, already use it for the scripts
[07:20:35] <Lucifer_arma> well then, let's say to hell with it and start :)
[07:20:42] <Lucifer_arma> well, after I've got a working game network library, anyway
[07:21:09] <Lucifer_arma> I'm redesigning it right now.  My initial design sucked, and my attempts to simply improve it have only made it worse in terms of what I'm going to have to do to clean it up
[07:21:23] <Lucifer_arma> so now I'm making the design clear, so the role of each object is clear and unambiguous.
[07:21:38] <Lucifer_arma> in short, I'm still at the stage of development where only one person can realistically work on it.
[07:22:06] <Lucifer_arma> but if you're game, and figure you might have time to fool around with it, you might work through a panda3d tutorial or two
[07:22:19] <Lucifer_arma> you *do* know how Python speeds up development time....
[07:22:45] <ct|kyle> I'm prety limited on time theese days, (trying to add a new feature into firefox in my "free" time right now)
[07:23:15] <ct|kyle> yes, as mentioned in the thread with Monkey
[07:23:25] <Lucifer_arma> I'm not so limited, but I've got stuff on my plate still
[07:23:51] <Lucifer_arma> I'm not at all interested in working on 0.4 as it stands, unfortunately.  Everytime I open a file in the 0.4 branch, my brain catches a train and goes somewhere else
[07:24:11] <Lucifer_arma> I figure it's been so long, does it really matter if we get 0.4 with all the stuff we want?
[07:24:28] <Lucifer_arma> I'm working on this network library no matter what, so my son and I can use it to write our own games, so, there's that
[07:26:47] <Lucifer_arma> and starting on a rewrite doesn't mean throwing away 0.4.  There's a lot of good stuff in there, good ideas, good design.  We'll keep that stuff, of course, just re-implement it.
[07:27:29] <Lucifer_arma> anyway, going back to factoring.  I'm rearranging my badly designed library, then I'll work it one piece at a time until I've got something that works again.
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[08:20:27] <Lucifer_arma> woohoo, I'm back to writing the protocol itself, instead of the code that makes shit get sent
[08:56:06] <Lucifer_arma> random question for anybody who knows the answer:  does a lock object have to be associated with a specific object for it to work?  Or could I, theoretically, create a global lock object and just use that?
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[00:59:23] <ct|kyle> Lucifer_arma: I think you can use a global
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