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May 31 04:27:38 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	Z-man: email sent.  I could send you the actual odt file if you found that helpful, but I didn't jump on it because tablet blah blah, which probably doesn't support that format.
May 31 04:28:50 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	Mine doesn't, and it's a pretty recent Android.  Anyway, if you think you'd do well using odt, ask me for it.  I don't think you'll need it, based on what you've said, so it's up to you.
May 31 04:29:30 2016 <Z-Man>	Pdf is fine, I think.
May 31 04:30:10 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	For what you're after, PDF is perfect.  And you're after the thing I've already been through it three times looking for: plot holes.
May 31 04:30:19 2016 <Z-Man>	There are odt readers, but I have not tried them yet.
May 31 04:30:22 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	And I found some every time, mind you.  This is likely to be rife with them.
May 31 04:31:08 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I haven't found any odt readers.  Ok, I've found some that CLAIM to read odt.....
May 31 04:31:27 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	but since I'm looking for r/w odt, they didn't fit the bill anyway.
May 31 04:31:49 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	The Android software stack sucks balls, I just want to say that.
May 31 04:32:22 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	Not even in an erotic way.  Like, they suck golf balls or ping pong balls, definitely no balls anybody would want sucked.
May 31 04:32:50 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	Baseballs, those weird hotdog shaped American footballs....
May 31 04:33:41 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	Anyway, you should have no problem calling out plotholes with a pdf.  That's what I meant to say.  :)
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May 31 15:23:31 2016 <Z-Man>	Oh, I'm personally happy with the stuff available on Android. But then, I specifically set out to only do a subset of all my computer stuff on it and the real PC is just downstairs.
May 31 15:32:54 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	well, ahem, when my 64-bit tablet is both faster and has more memory than my laptop, I think it's reasonable to expect it to do everything my laptop can do that doesn't specifically require a bigger screen
May 31 15:33:34 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	and the only real reason that is is because of Android's broke-ass C library.  If it weren't so broke, xlib could be ported and a whole shit-ton of desktop apps could then be much more easily ported to Android
May 31 15:34:06 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	as I recall, that was supposed to the benefits of Android being Linux-based
May 31 15:37:58 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	So I'm really hoping Ubuntu achieves all of their design goals for their tablet OS and schools Google and Apple in the process
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May 31 18:14:03 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	this is a test
May 31 18:14:19 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	kde connect is neat
May 31 18:28:18 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	let's see if this works
May 31 18:28:42 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	ok, that's cool.  i'm usign my tablet keyboard to type on my laptop
May 31 18:29:48 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	aaaaaaaaaaand, now I'm not.  Apparently you can also use your tablet screen as a mouse for your other computer.
May 31 18:30:00 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I'm going to put it on the TV and screw with people while they're watching it.
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May 31 20:23:47 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	"For full compatibility with OpenGL on ES-only devices, Nvidia offers a BSD licensed library called Regal, originally started by Cass Everitt.[38] Regal is used for example by Google's NaCl.[39]"
May 31 20:23:56 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	Z-Man: ^^^^^
May 31 20:26:56 2016 <luke-jr>	I think there's a non-nvidia thing for that too
May 31 20:27:16 2016 <luke-jr>	but isn't the main difference that ES doesn't use float types?
May 31 20:27:23 2016 <luke-jr>	seems like it'd be trivial to port Arma
May 31 20:28:14 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I find myself trusting NVidia to make 3d api's for some strange reason
May 31 20:28:27 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I just checked and Regal isn't in the ubuntu repositories
May 31 20:29:15 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	but, uh, the first thing to do to make arma run on android is make it work with android's opengl, which is opengles
May 31 20:29:42 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	also, I didn't find a "main" difference when I was reading about ES a few minutes ago
May 31 20:30:00 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	it allows fixed point types, I saw, which I presumed to mean "integers"
May 31 20:32:42 2016 <luke-jr>	could just as well be non-integer stored in a C integer type
May 31 20:34:05 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	curious how that would work, heh
May 31 20:34:39 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I'm familiar with the idea of making a Money class so you can separate dollars and cents and put them in integers so you never suffer floating point errors when doing accounting....
May 31 20:36:42 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	see, if we want arma on android, basically the first thing we'd need is ES support.  I suspect input would be next, and that's before considering how many of our dependencies will already run there
May 31 20:39:19 2016 <luke-jr>	Lucifer_arma: you'd just say "uint32_t moneyamt = 100;" for $1
May 31 20:40:06 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	no, you really need it as an object.  When you divide and there's a remainder, you need to have the remainder amount available
May 31 20:40:28 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	if you lose that information when you divide and you don't do anything with it, the IRS could fuck you over
May 31 20:40:37 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	anyway, I think this solves a more immediate problem for me:
May 31 20:40:38 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Android
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May 31 23:07:31 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	ok, Z-man
May 31 23:07:40 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	you probably found this already and "forgot" to mention it to me :)
May 31 23:07:44 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	Check out KDE Connect
May 31 23:07:56 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	it's some quite significant KDE->Android integration
May 31 23:08:33 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I need to finish the trifecta and get my phone and tablet talking to each other, but other than that, it's awesome
May 31 23:08:42 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	you can share paste buffers between devices.  :)
May 31 23:08:58 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	Finally, someone realizes how dumb it is in 2016 to not be able to copy and paste between devices!
May 31 23:09:26 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	so if you're browsing around on your laptop and you find a webpage you want to text to your wife, you can copy and paste it into a text message on your phone
May 31 23:09:35 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	(a situation that happens to me at least once a week)
May 31 23:09:47 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	(because I want to share lots of web pages with your wife)
May 31 23:10:18 2016 <ct|kyle>	I have the problem with having to use rdesktop at work, cannot always copy from linux and paste on the VM :/
May 31 23:10:38 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	why is this still a problem?
May 31 23:11:16 2016 <ct|kyle>	Lucifer_arma: beause some clients fall into the microsoft hole and you get forced into doing work for them?
May 31 23:11:47 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	there should be standards in place, with reference implementations for handling all of this
May 31 23:12:00 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	your specific problem has existed for like 17 years
May 31 23:12:06 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	WHY IS IT STILL A PROBLEM?
May 31 23:12:34 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I ranted the other day about how I couldn't copy and paste from my laptop to my phone.  I didn't know an app existed that made that possible.
May 31 23:13:18 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	now, when my wife texts me, I get a notification from KDE.  :)  I'm very happy right now.
May 31 23:13:35 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	Of course, you still can't automatically sync two directories
May 31 23:14:01 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	she just texted me a kissy, and I totally saw it in a popup on my desktop
May 31 23:14:07 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	oh yeah
May 31 23:14:13 2016 *	Lucifer_arma bobs his head forwards and backwards
May 31 23:14:44 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I'm gonna tell my son, and he'll wipe out his current Windows installation to make his laptop work better with his phone :)
May 31 23:16:40 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	hell, maybe he'll start using the tablet I gave him (my old 7 inch, with a usb keyboard, all in a case together)
May 31 23:17:16 2016 <ct|kyle>	heh
May 31 23:18:45 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	oh right, I'm supposed to be working in LibreOffice, converting all of my documents to .docx, and using that as my default file format in the future :/
May 31 23:19:02 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	it'd be better if either LibreOffice ran in Android, or if WPS Office supported .odt
May 31 23:19:25 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	hey, you gotten bored and annoyed enough to write a program that syncs a directory on a mass storage device with a directory on your computer?
May 31 23:19:56 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	you know, something you'd use to say sync your mp3 player with your music collection?  Or a work directory where you write lots of stuff with a directory on a tablet?
May 31 23:20:23 2016 <ct|kyle>	Lucifer_arma: can't you just write a small script for the .doc to .docx conversion?
May 31 23:20:58 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	it's .odt to .docx, and yes, I could.  But for the documents I have to convert, doing it by hand won't take long.  It'd take longer to write the script.
May 31 23:21:20 2016 <ct|kyle>	I know libreoffice comman line options are pretty powerful
May 31 23:21:42 2016 <ct|kyle>	( I was lazy enough to make a script to print only 10 files :P
May 31 23:22:02 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	yeah, and I could do it, fairly easily.  There's just not that many documents to convert.  I'm annoyed I need to go to .docx, because that's a decision a developer is forcing on me
May 31 23:22:05 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	and you know I hate that
May 31 23:22:13 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I'd write a script to print 10 files
May 31 23:22:23 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	Um, I think I wrote a script to print 3
May 31 23:22:35 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	well, I remember at least writing a script to print files, anyway
May 31 23:22:57 2016 <ct|kyle>	ya docX still is crappy
May 31 23:23:23 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	it's enough for what I'm doing.  rtf would be enough for what I'm doing.  Novel manuscripts.  Not much in the way of formatting.
May 31 23:24:19 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I'd just prefer to work on them with my tablet.  It's more portable.  And I could maybe turn off my laptop unless I have a deliberate need to use it.
May 31 23:24:47 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I've taken over 1/4 of the dining room table for my laptop and a scanner, and I'd like to give that space back, and retake it ONLY AS NEEDED for my laptop.
May 31 23:27:05 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	but now I need to write an alarm clock for android, and I think I'd prefer my laptop for that
May 31 23:27:44 2016 <ct|kyle>	just make your own arduino alarm clock :P
May 31 23:27:45 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I'm going to monopolize all the good karma in the world by making an alarm clock for android that's completely free.  Free software, no adware, none of that stupid shit.  GPL alarm clock that's FREE for everyone.
May 31 23:28:07 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	heh, then I have to build the rest of it.  Why not just use the tablet I already own?  ;)
May 31 23:28:41 2016 <ct|kyle>	more fun to build one :P (I made one the eond of last year)
May 31 23:29:11 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	heh, this time, I'm not looking for fun.  I'm looking for something that does exactly what I want, for the least fuss possible.
May 31 23:29:18 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	Fuck.  That means I have to learn Java.
May 31 23:29:30 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	Now we get to the reason I haven't written it yet.
May 31 23:29:39 2016 <ct|kyle>	heh
May 31 23:30:23 2016 <ct|kyle>	that is what I've been programming in lately, when i'm not in C# :(
May 31 23:30:52 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	fine, YOU write my GPL alarm clock, and then I'll just, you know, yuuuuuuuse iiiit?
May 31 23:31:47 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I know it's not that bad.  I *do* have a robocode robot that I wrote all on my own, and it almost kills things.  It at least does decently against, well, Sitting Duck.  My robot kicks its ass.
May 31 23:32:26 2016 <ct|kyle>	Lucifer_arma: I plan to open source my arduino alarm clock :P
May 31 23:32:38 2016 <ct|kyle>	once you can actually set the time on it :P
May 31 23:32:41 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	Great, then I have to build something.
May 31 23:32:53 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	haha, what good's an alarm clock that you can't set the time on?
May 31 23:33:13 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	you also need it to sync with ntp servers
May 31 23:33:29 2016 <ct|kyle>	Lucifer_arma: no, RTC on it :)
May 31 23:34:13 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	as someone who used to use a spring-loaded bell alarm clock, I'm gonna have to say no, it's not good enough if it doesn't sync with the atomic clocks of the world
May 31 23:34:57 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	ok, it wasn't spring-loaded, it was a battery-powered imitation, but still!
May 31 23:36:15 2016 <ct|kyle>	Lucifer_arma: just use GPS on it :)
May 31 23:36:26 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	THAT has nothing to do with time
May 31 23:36:32 2016 <ct|kyle>	sync with those clocks
May 31 23:36:45 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I'm like a britisher when it comes to time.  It MUST be the most exact time I can get.
May 31 23:36:51 2016 <ct|kyle>	they are only 13 (I think seconds off) because of the leap seconds
May 31 23:37:11 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	they don't sync with ntp servers?
May 31 23:37:26 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	Then I'll NEVER use their timestamps!  They're not accurate enough to give me an alibi!
May 31 23:37:27 2016 <ct|kyle>	nope
May 31 23:37:31 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	Which, of course, I don't need.....
May 31 23:37:36 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	but still!
May 31 23:37:53 2016 <ct|kyle>	it's time + constanc second offset
May 31 23:37:57 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I realize my last few sentences were self-defeating
May 31 23:38:12 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	what about relativistic errors?
May 31 23:39:02 2016 <ct|kyle>	I am wondering that too, I'll hopefully get to find that out soon enough
May 31 23:39:12 2016 <ct|kyle>	(that'll be fun to test :/
May 31 23:39:17 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	btw, I haven't found a Windows program that has the same level of interoperability as KDE Connect
May 31 23:39:35 2016 <ct|kyle>	Lucifer_arma: just install firefox :P
May 31 23:39:36 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	well, you're supposed to use some relativistic equations when figuring out GPS
May 31 23:39:49 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	maybe that's why my phone's always off
May 31 23:40:08 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	how does firefox interoperate with Android?
May 31 23:40:11 2016 <ct|kyle>	implemneting a NTP over something that only has GPS access
May 31 23:40:25 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I'm not looking because *I* need it, I don't use Windows, and haven't for a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG timme
May 31 23:41:03 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I'm looking because I want to know that that's another place Windows has fallen off the wagon, and my son will have to use Linux if he wants that
May 31 23:41:25 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	he's got an Android phone, and he just put windows on his laptop because it was the only operating system around when he changed his hard drive
May 31 23:41:38 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	He swapped it out for, um, SSD?  Is that a real acronym?
May 31 23:43:28 2016 <ct|kyle>	yes, gtg, I'll have to try kde connect sometime, sounds pretty good
May 31 23:43:31 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	ok, time to pick up my wife.  I'll try to think up a good pickup line while I'm driving over there.
May 31 23:43:37 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	'night
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