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Mar 17 03:04:03 2016 *	Now talking on #armagetron
Mar 17 03:04:03 2016 *	Topic for #armagetron is: http://www.armagetronad.org/ | pastebin: http://armagetron.pastebin.com/ | Tournaments: #armagetron.tourneys | Pickup a game: #armagetron.pickup
Mar 17 03:04:03 2016 *	Topic for #armagetron set by guru3 at Wed Apr 22 16:50:50 2015
Mar 17 03:07:28 2016 <uptime>	Lucifer_arma: I've been observing the channel, mostly.
Mar 17 03:26:29 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	and not seen much
Mar 17 03:26:37 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	uptime: why are you here?
Mar 17 03:26:56 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	not that you're not welcome, just that you're obviously not a casual armagetron player who's shown up to see what's up
Mar 17 03:27:43 2016 <uptime>	Someone reported this channel as being unfit for freenode, and frankly, I am of the same opinion after:
Mar 17 03:27:43 2016 <uptime>	 <Lucifer_arma_> PAY ME
Mar 17 03:27:44 2016 <uptime>	 <Lucifer_arma_> stop whining, and PAY
Mar 17 03:27:46 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	your irc ident says you're freenode staff
Mar 17 03:28:03 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	really?  After that?
Mar 17 03:28:19 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	you did catch all the stuff before that where he was saying, well, all sorts of shit
Mar 17 03:28:46 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	demanding that I stop doing what I'm doing (which, at the time, was monitoring my suicidal teenager) and do what he asked
Mar 17 03:29:28 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	no, I demanded that if he was going to demand that anything he wanted to happen here, he has to pay for it.  Otherwise, we all got bills to pay, and we do it the way that works for each of us.
Mar 17 03:30:18 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	even so, let's say he succeeds at taking the irc channel from us.  He doesn't get the armagetron name.  That's DNS stuff, that's stuff we PAY FOR.  Me included.
Mar 17 03:30:50 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	The best he has to offer is a patch to fix a bug 15 years ago that wasn't a complete fix, and z-man gave a complete fix in a new version.
Mar 17 03:31:35 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	he needs to fork.  He wants to make the project better, he needs to fork.  Freenode doesn't deal with how we work on the projects.
Mar 17 03:32:00 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	If Freenode cared, the freeciv channels would already be gone.
Mar 17 03:32:16 2016 <uptime>	(I have no idea what freevic is fwiw)
Mar 17 03:32:21 2016 <uptime>	er, freeciv
Mar 17 03:32:34 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	another freenode channel that doesn't get much talk
Mar 17 03:33:20 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	also a place where, when people demand particular features or they threaten shit, people will ask to be paid for it
Mar 17 03:33:36 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	See, this tramshed guy, I've known him for 15 years.  How long have you known him?
Mar 17 03:33:59 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	He's a bunch of talk.  We banned him from the forums because all he did was whine about "the good old days" and how much he wanted those back.
Mar 17 03:34:29 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	So we said "Hey, if you want it back, fork the game."  We're sorta dying for someone to fork the game.  We've all had so much real life shit happen that we'd really prefer someone take over the game.
Mar 17 03:34:45 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	But all he is is bluster and hot air.  That's it.
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Mar 17 03:35:14 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	He needs to do a real fork.  We'll give him access to the forums again (after we banned him for all his really violent antisocial drunk posts) to market his fork.
Mar 17 03:35:44 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	No problem there.  We've had a fork before that we gladly helped market.  They folded, because of shit I said previously that you can copy and paste.
Mar 17 03:36:31 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	So he comes here to IRC with the same bullshit arguments, which amount to "I can core dump people better than you, so GIVE ME THE PROJECT!"
Mar 17 03:36:36 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	does that make sense to you?
Mar 17 03:37:30 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	in case you don't know what armagetron is, core dump = frag in FPS
Mar 17 03:38:01 2016 <uptime>	Indeed. And also, that's why I am here to observe — I also get it's a small channel, little has happened since I joined and I disconnected from IRC before HAILSATAN left, so I have no idea how bad it got before he went
Mar 17 03:38:17 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	so his entire argument is he will take armagetron from us on the basis that he can core dump more people than anyone else
Mar 17 03:38:30 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I did a mic drop too, because I was done with him
Mar 17 03:39:01 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	but keep in mind I have known this guy for 15 years.  When he talks about "patches" he's sent, I know why they were rejected, and I know why some were accepted
Mar 17 03:39:32 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	as far as freenode is concerned, this channel is used at least once a month to setup brackets for our monthly tournament
Mar 17 03:39:51 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	it's not a development channel, it's a general interest channel
Mar 17 03:40:51 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	so, it's actually used by players more than by developers
Mar 17 03:41:08 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	even so, we've made quite a few evil triumvirate decisions here
Mar 17 03:41:33 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	the channel isn't vital to how we operate, but it's stupid that such a paranoid asshole could possibly end this channel
Mar 17 03:42:17 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	He's got nothing, really.  He's like Trump, a lot of bluster and no substance.  He exagerates (sp) his record to make him sound like he's some kind of martyr
Mar 17 03:42:25 2016 <uptime>	Lucifer_arma: Well by the sounds of it you're better of in the ## namespace regardless, or another network (since gaming)
Mar 17 03:42:30 2016 <uptime>	off*
Mar 17 03:42:38 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	but he's not.  He sent in a few subpar patches.
Mar 17 03:42:54 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	why?  Why do we need to move?
Mar 17 03:43:18 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	because a paranoid jerk came along and said a bunch of shit?  We've been fine here for 10 years, and it's not been a problem.
Mar 17 03:45:06 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	Why do we need to move after 10 years in this spot?
Mar 17 03:47:29 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	Luke-Jr: ping
Mar 17 03:47:31 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	guru3: ping
Mar 17 03:47:34 2016 <Luke-Jr>	wat
Mar 17 03:47:37 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	MrBougo: ping
Mar 17 03:47:51 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	compguygene: ping
Mar 17 03:47:55 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	read your back history
Mar 17 03:48:44 2016 <Luke-Jr>	why don't you just ignore him?
Mar 17 03:49:09 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	because he's a freenode staffer that can take this channel away from us
Mar 17 03:49:56 2016 <Luke-Jr>	I mean the guy who wants to take over
Mar 17 03:50:07 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	that's /dev/null, and we're ignoring him
Mar 17 03:50:18 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	he last came in here as HAILSATAN
Mar 17 03:50:25 2016 <Luke-Jr>	Armagetron is a free software project. I don't see any reason it should be ## or on another network.
Mar 17 03:50:47 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I don't know which TOS of freenode we might be violating
Mar 17 03:51:00 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	hopefully uptime will soon show us
Mar 17 03:51:55 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	apparently the argument in favor of moving us revolves around /dev/null demanding particular changes in code and a release schedule, and I asked him to pay for it
Mar 17 03:51:58 2016 <Luke-Jr>	I don't know why you're acting so hostile to uptime. Sounds like he simply got a bogus report and is somehow confused about what Armagetron iss.
Mar 17 03:52:25 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I'm acting hostile?  Really?
Mar 17 03:53:01 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I'll give you defensive, but not hostile.  :)
Mar 17 03:53:37 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	uptime: by the way, Luke-Jr and I hate each other.  We also love each other.  Weird relationship.
Mar 17 03:53:53 2016 <uptime>	Luke-Jr: Just because it's FOSS doesn't necessarily mean it's a good fit for freenode — and the "it's not a development channel, it's a general interest channel" doesn't really help the case :)
Mar 17 03:54:18 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I don't recall reading how freenode restricts channels that way
Mar 17 03:54:27 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	perhaps you can provide a link
Mar 17 03:54:45 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	when the channel was established, freenode's policies were basically "If you're FOSS, come here and chat"
Mar 17 03:54:51 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	we've been here awhile
Mar 17 03:55:51 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	hell, the fact that we're confused by this new rule, after we each read the freenode TOS at the time the channel was established (Luke-Jr and I both read them, we were probably the only ones who did)
Mar 17 03:56:07 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	shows that we had every reason to believe we were welcome here
Mar 17 03:56:21 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	and like I said, there's #freeciv, and #freeciv-dev
Mar 17 03:56:32 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	if you shit-can us, #freeciv has to go too
Mar 17 03:56:41 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	and the hundreds of other similar channels
Mar 17 03:57:20 2016 *	Luke-Jr glances at ##politics
Mar 17 03:57:41 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	is that a free software project?
Mar 17 03:57:47 2016 <Luke-Jr>	nope
Mar 17 03:58:01 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I thought freenode was focused on FOSS projects
Mar 17 03:58:18 2016 <MrBougo>	that's messed up
Mar 17 03:58:31 2016 <MrBougo>	I notice that they blogged recently about channel ownership policy https://blog.freenode.net/2016/02/the-new-policies/
Mar 17 03:58:38 2016 <MrBougo>	"freenode’s primary goal is to encourage and foster the development and use of
Mar 17 03:58:40 2016 <MrBougo>	free and open source software projects and other peer-directed communities
Mar 17 03:58:42 2016 <MrBougo>	producing broadly licensed creative output. Any project falling under this broad
Mar 17 03:58:44 2016 <MrBougo>	description is likely to be considered on-topic for the purposes of primary
Mar 17 03:58:46 2016 <MrBougo>	channel naming and other project services which we may provide, but individual
Mar 17 03:58:48 2016 <MrBougo>	decisions may be made at the discretion of staff.
Mar 17 03:59:02 2016 <MrBougo>	sorry, I thought that text was one line
Mar 17 03:59:06 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	so, wait a minute, our monthly tournaments are failing that?
Mar 17 03:59:46 2016 <MrBougo>	surely it falls under "fostering the use of FOSS projects"
Mar 17 03:59:50 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	so, our monthly LADLE doesn't somehow foster the development and use of free software?
Mar 17 04:00:11 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	and all the little shit that happens in between, of course
Mar 17 04:00:26 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	because LADLE isn't all we have, it's just what happens the most predictably
Mar 17 04:01:09 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	hell, if there's a driving force around here, it's LADLE, and it relies on irc
Mar 17 04:01:31 2016 <MrBougo>	and this channel isn't even single-purpose either, is it? I'm not the only person who looks up an irc channel for dev or usage issues I encounter with a FOSS project
Mar 17 04:01:55 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	we've used this channel for dev purposes, it just happens to have been awhile
Mar 17 04:02:33 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	the last time we used freenode, it was all pm between me and guru3 and z-man, you know, for big decisions.  The main communication happened on the forums, because that's the place it should happen.
Mar 17 04:02:48 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	but when some asshole gets mad at LADLE and attacks the forums, this is the place we can still talk.
Mar 17 04:03:01 2016 <MrBougo>	by the way, what happened to the forums?
Mar 17 04:03:17 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I guess that protecting the forums at that point doesn't count as promoting FOSS projects.
Mar 17 04:03:25 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	MrBougo: They're working, aren't they?
Mar 17 04:03:34 2016 <MrBougo>	not for me
Mar 17 04:04:02 2016 <MrBougo>	ah, my DNS doesn't resolve the hostname for some reason
Mar 17 04:04:10 2016 <MrBougo>	weird.
Mar 17 04:04:36 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	they're working forme
Mar 17 04:04:44 2016 <Luke-Jr>	(btw, I would like the ability to delete forum posts if possible)
Mar 17 04:04:48 2016 <Luke-Jr>	(my own, I mean)
Mar 17 04:04:56 2016 <MrBougo>	must be something with my ISP... I'll try again later today and let you know
Mar 17 04:05:37 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I agree, that would be good, but there are reasons why it's not that easy to do
Mar 17 04:05:37 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	MrBougo: no, we might be fucking up on our proxy setup, so you should get as much data as you can
Mar 17 04:05:55 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	MrBougo: obviously don't report it here, because this channel might disappear, but, well, report it somewhere
Mar 17 04:05:55 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I dont' know where
Mar 17 04:06:18 2016 <MrBougo>	ah, well, all I can say is that there's nothing in the response from my DNS server, but google's works
Mar 17 04:07:07 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	does that make the forums work for you?
Mar 17 04:07:49 2016 *	Lucifer_arma still doesn't know who MrBougo is.  Been chatting with him for like 10 years and still don't know who he is.
Mar 17 04:08:31 2016 <MrBougo>	I guess it should... but now I see the DNS *does* respond when I query my ISP's DNS servers directly... I have this weird modem/router combo box provided by my ISP (I think that's a mostly european thing) which has a DNS relay
Mar 17 04:08:49 2016 <MrBougo>	I don't think you should worry about this issue affecting anyone else, I'll reboot that box later but now I have to go
Mar 17 04:09:45 2016 <MrBougo>	armagetron was the first FLOSS game I got hooked on, I used to play it a lot around 2005
Mar 17 04:09:46 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	It might, so when you get back to it, ping someone here, probably z-man would be a good ping, and I'm a solid second ping on that
Mar 17 04:10:06 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	and I still have no idea who you are in the game  :)
Mar 17 04:10:10 2016 <MrBougo>	I haven't played it in a very long time :P
Mar 17 04:10:19 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I've asked, and you don't answer.  Maybe you're Blade Runner.
Mar 17 04:10:50 2016 <MrBougo>	nah, I was always Mr. Bougo ingame, but haven't played in at least eight years
Mar 17 04:10:59 2016 <MrBougo>	I should get back to it
Mar 17 04:11:06 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	me too
Mar 17 04:11:17 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	but I can't, too busy trying to keep the irc channel :)
Mar 17 04:11:25 2016 <MrBougo>	ahah, ouch.
Mar 17 04:11:32 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	oh, the responsibilities just dont' quit, do they?
Mar 17 04:11:44 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	wish I could just play the game, honestly
Mar 17 04:11:50 2016 <MrBougo>	best of luck with that, hopefully this isn't just this one person's call
Mar 17 04:12:17 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	probably not.  Also, there's an appeal process.  I HAVE read the freenode TOS.
Mar 17 04:12:23 2016 <MrBougo>	hehe good
Mar 17 04:12:32 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I'll read them again, if need be.
Mar 17 04:14:08 2016 <MrBougo>	freenode bureaucracy can be annoying though... people over at #xonotic wanted to get hostmask cloaks for the project and freenode staff required that a phonecall be scheduled with a dev team representative
Mar 17 04:14:23 2016 <MrBougo>	hopefully the appeal process isn't as bothersome
Mar 17 04:14:38 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	that's a bit disconcerting, honestly.
Mar 17 04:15:03 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	Have to make a phone call?  Really?  That's not "free"node, that's "trump"node.
Mar 17 04:15:28 2016 <MrBougo>	hah, funny you should say that, their website currently says "
Mar 17 04:15:30 2016 <MrBougo>	Making freenode great again... -- New website coming soon!
Mar 17 04:15:48 2016 <MrBougo>	anyway, really have to go now, ttyl :)
Mar 17 04:15:58 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I get that for a crossdresser website I used to visit, they'd need a phone call for my wife, but there's no hate crimes being committed against FOSS developers
Mar 17 04:16:09 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	'night MrBougo.  Thanks for playing.  :)
Mar 17 04:18:15 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	honestly, if Trump has penetrated freenode, we're all fucked, and it doesn't matter how this channel is classified
Mar 17 04:18:52 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I'll post on the forums how we can have an irc channel and organize an armed resistance if it comes to that (I don't think it will, but you know how I love to plan for contingencies)
Mar 17 04:19:44 2016 <Luke-Jr>	eh, phone calls are nothing
Mar 17 04:20:41 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	Right, because people don't understand the phrase "Voice actor/actress"
Mar 17 04:20:44 2016 <Luke-Jr>	sadly, Jedi Academy is now my most-often-played FOSS game
Mar 17 04:21:32 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	that's an xbox game.  It's not FOSS.
Mar 17 04:22:07 2016 <Luke-Jr>	it's also a PC game under the GPL
Mar 17 04:22:14 2016 <Luke-Jr>	https://github.com/JACoders/OpenJK
Mar 17 04:22:45 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	conveniently, I have to go to bed before I can have time to click on that link
Mar 17 04:22:50 2016 <Luke-Jr>	:p
Mar 17 04:38:32 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	uptime: make the right call and leave us alone.  We've been here for 10 years, we have used this channel for development, and we will again.  It might be awhile, but we will.
Mar 17 04:38:53 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	It's not freenode's policy to dictate how fast any open source project should be developed.  not at all.
Mar 17 04:39:05 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	So we're a little slow.
Mar 17 04:39:37 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	Who's freenode to judge?
Mar 17 04:40:25 2016 <uptime>	I don't remember saying anything in regards to the project being developed too slowly, so I have no idea what you're talking about now
Mar 17 04:41:13 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	uptime: make the right call and leave us alone.  We've been here for 10 years, we have used this channel for development, and we will again.  It might be awhile, but we will.  <-- I can copy and paste as well
Mar 17 04:41:42 2016 <uptime>	ok... ramble on if you want
Mar 17 04:42:30 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I did my rambling on the forums.
Mar 17 04:43:08 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I've said what I have to say, and you've  missed it, so I'm preparing for a bigger fight with freenode, which they don't like (I've seen their previous fights, they hate them)
Mar 17 04:43:14 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	good night
Mar 17 04:48:03 2016 <uptime>	"I'll post on the forums how we can have an irc channel and organize an armed resistance" — I mean if anything, you're making the case stronger and stronger that this community may not be best suited for freenode.
Mar 17 04:48:35 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	You lefft out the Trump joke that gave it context
Mar 17 04:48:42 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	are you a Trump supporter?
Mar 17 04:50:12 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	Dude, I assume, I've had CPS come into my home and question me multiple times.  My trashed out fucking home.  I've had CPS walk into that.
Mar 17 04:50:27 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	and the caseworker offered me a ride to get my kid from the hospital.
Mar 17 04:50:42 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	do you really think I give a fuck what you, as a person, thinks?
Mar 17 04:50:55 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	You have to show how we're somehow violating freenode's TOS.
Mar 17 04:51:06 2016 <uptime>	I don't have to show anything.
Mar 17 04:51:11 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	Because I've faced investigators who can take my kids from me.
Mar 17 04:51:29 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	um, yeah you do.  You have to at least give warning about a transition period.
Mar 17 04:51:37 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	also, room to appeal.
Mar 17 04:52:01 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	if you don't have to do that, then this isn't freenode, this is "trump"node  (that's the joke you missed the first time)
Mar 17 04:52:45 2016 <uptime>	No, we don't.
Mar 17 04:53:11 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	then why have you let us be here for 10 years?
Mar 17 04:53:25 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	we're not a new channel, we've been here awhile
Mar 17 04:55:10 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	hello?
Mar 17 05:00:58 2016 *	Lucifer_arma is happy to hear that 10 years of history can be thrown away in a heartbeat
Mar 17 05:01:16 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	wish I'd known that during my divorce.  Would've made a few things easier.
Mar 17 05:05:43 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	uptime: ping
Mar 17 05:06:06 2016 <uptime>	?
Mar 17 05:06:42 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	well, you know, I said some shit, and I thought you were still here.
Mar 17 05:07:01 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	If you're not here, then just say so.  You know, common IRC convention.
Mar 17 05:10:21 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	blah.  I guess we're finally facing our own Senator Kinsey (google that).
Mar 17 05:10:26 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	'night
Mar 17 05:19:50 2016 *	sinewav (~Thunderbi@ip68-7-71-95.sd.sd.cox.net) has joined #armagetron
Mar 17 05:23:20 2016 <sinewav>	I'm still working on a new art style for Arma, but I'm really holding back on what is possible because I want my contribution to merge seamlessly. Trying to keep it looking good with the current floor and texture settings.
Mar 17 05:25:59 2016 <sinewav>	I'm about halfway finished with the Rim Wall. Once I have something I like I will design a cockpit around that style.
Mar 17 05:26:05 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	Can you change the floor and texture settings to match?  There's no technical reason we can't do that, so I assume there's a "wow that's a lot of work" reason?
Mar 17 05:26:30 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	ah, nevermind.  I see you're focusing on the cockpit, and that's a big pile of work on it's own.  ;)
Mar 17 05:27:48 2016 <sinewav>	The thing with the floor is, that texture gets used as the menu backdrop and I don't want to mess with it too much because it might be jarring to legacy users.
Mar 17 05:27:53 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	maybe we should raise the money to hire an interior decorate and see what we get :)
Mar 17 05:28:18 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	the floor is tricky, I get it.  It's also the one that can be easiest-ly neglected.
Mar 17 05:28:51 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	a new floor can be made to match, if necessary, the other graphics that are presented with it
Mar 17 05:28:56 2016 <sinewav>	Speaking of cockpits, I still never got the cockpit branch to compile on Ubuntu 15.10. I'm thinking about setting up a VM with 14.04 so I can work on it.
Mar 17 05:29:30 2016 <sinewav>	That branch has code to fix problems with aspect ratios, and I think that's pretty important going forward.
Mar 17 05:29:31 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I can help you with a 14.04 branch, but as far as anything new, I'm waiting for 16.04.  I've got several computers needing the upgrade.
Mar 17 05:30:04 2016 <sinewav>	Yeah I can't wait for 16.04. My current system is a little broken right now and I don't want to reinstall a month before the new LTS.
Mar 17 05:30:13 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I also haven'[t tried to look at the cockpit branch.  I had a conversation with Epsy about it where he basically said I didn't need to worry about it.  Maybe I should?
Mar 17 05:30:41 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	Heh, I've got a computer waiting to be built.  It's going to get two of the hard drives you sent me, even.
Mar 17 05:30:57 2016 <sinewav>	Nice. Ever get that NAS working?
Mar 17 05:31:09 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	It came from the mechanic shop, so I had to scrub the shit out of it.
Mar 17 05:31:25 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I got the NAS working.  It's called Rabbit, because we use Python references for all our computers.
Mar 17 05:31:39 2016 <sinewav>	excellent. Glad it worked out for you.
Mar 17 05:31:43 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	Almost full.  Lots of DVD's to rip.  ;)
Mar 17 05:32:31 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	Oh, it's working out fantastically.  Thank you, it's such an awesome machine that the next time (if there is one) you offer me such a machine, I'll fall over myself to say yes
Mar 17 05:32:35 2016 <sinewav>	I might have a second one of those at work, but a smaller on from Mac that's like 6TB.
Mar 17 05:32:39 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	it's awesome.  I'm loving it.
Mar 17 05:32:41 2016 <sinewav>	smaller one*
Mar 17 05:33:49 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	um, 6TB is a lot bigger than the 700GB this one has (with the RAID5 configuration)
Mar 17 05:34:08 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I might have to name it something like Badger
Mar 17 05:34:21 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	(that's supposed to be funny)
Mar 17 05:34:30 2016 <sinewav>	ha?
Mar 17 05:34:35 2016 <sinewav>	;P
Mar 17 05:34:44 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	Monty Python, etc.
Mar 17 05:34:55 2016 <sinewav>	ah!
Mar 17 05:35:00 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I named the one you sent me Rabbit.
Mar 17 05:35:24 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	in the Samba description, it says something like "A device to hold british soldiers"
Mar 17 05:35:39 2016 <sinewav>	Anyway, I might not take classes this summer which would free up a lot of dev time for me. Midterm is tomorrow.
Mar 17 05:36:16 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	it's not spring break?  We've got that here, so I've got a house full of kids right now.
Mar 17 05:36:36 2016 <sinewav>	Spring Break after next week.
Mar 17 05:36:59 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	Damn, people in CA are weird.  :)  (Or People in TX are weird)
Mar 17 05:37:01 2016 <sinewav>	Class ends at the end of May, then Summer classes, ugh, the schedule...
Mar 17 05:37:17 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	yeah, that's a pain in the ass
Mar 17 05:39:46 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I don't want to keep you up, so I can quit talking anytime
Mar 17 05:39:46 2016 <sinewav>	I don't think I'll be able to pull it off. Might have to finish the course in Fall.
Mar 17 05:39:46 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	What can't you pull off?
Mar 17 05:39:46 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I mean, which class are you talking about, of course....
Mar 17 05:39:46 2016 <sinewav>	Well, this summer I want to have the following things finished:
Mar 17 05:39:46 2016 <sinewav>	New bike skin and trail (DONE)
Mar 17 05:39:46 2016 <sinewav>	New Rim Wall (50% complete)
Mar 17 05:39:46 2016 <sinewav>	New sound effects for you to listen to (20% complete)
Mar 17 05:39:46 2016 <sinewav>	Class? Oh, I'm taking a front end web dev class.
Mar 17 05:39:46 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	shit, that means I have to make the soundpack a real resource, and include the idea in 0.4
Mar 17 05:39:46 2016 <sinewav>	I've been doing back end stuff for a while and I need to catch up with the front end.
Mar 17 05:40:05 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I might be behind with the front end stuff.  Not familiar with HTML5.  It can't be that different, but there are differences.
Mar 17 05:40:32 2016 <sinewav>	Pretty much just need to get my Javascript chops up and start using node/angular/json more often.
Mar 17 05:41:08 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	that's not HTML5, that's, um, well, maybe I should learn more about it before I jump to conclusions
Mar 17 05:41:11 2016 <sinewav>	The class I'm taking is emphasizing NoSQL and that's new for me.
Mar 17 05:41:47 2016 <sinewav>	Yeah here is the thing, the Front End stuff is merging into the back end because Javascript runs the web right now.
Mar 17 05:42:16 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	yeah, it does, and I hate it.  :)
Mar 17 05:42:33 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	but it does so through toolkits that have API's I can read about
Mar 17 05:42:52 2016 <sinewav>	There seems to be a push to move away from xAMP stack to something that's Javascript based in front and back.
Mar 17 05:42:54 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	look, I don't know everything you're studying, but if you hit a block, I have a LOT of programming experience
Mar 17 05:43:15 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I can probably help, but I'd need to do some research
Mar 17 05:43:38 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	but I know how to program, and I know how that shit works, and I know roughly how the whole JS/web thing works
Mar 17 05:44:10 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	so, you know, don't be shy if you need help.  Not that I'm terribly available, but, well, you know
Mar 17 05:44:25 2016 <sinewav>	My biggest problem right now is lack of creativity. Having a hard time getting excited about projects. Supposed to be designing a Yoga website for my friend and I'm like, "durrr...."
Mar 17 05:44:52 2016 <sinewav>	Thanks for the offer man.
Mar 17 05:45:15 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I'm a little too drunk to help you on that particular project.  ;)
Mar 17 05:45:22 2016 <sinewav>	haha. Ok.
Mar 17 05:45:24 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	You know, right now.
Mar 17 05:46:04 2016 <sinewav>	Anyway I'm off to bed. Later!
Mar 17 05:46:18 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I'd say maybe tomorrow, but we're in spring break, and I've got a house full of kids.  My older son and I are working on a busking act.
Mar 17 05:46:44 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	so, it might be a week before I'm ready to help.
Mar 17 05:46:51 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	and, 'night.  :)
Mar 17 05:53:51 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	sinewav: ah shit, you reminded me why I need to look at the cockpit branch.  Epsy even told me how it fixes the aspect ratio problem that's in the current cockcpit
Mar 17 05:54:32 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	he also told me it's not ready to merge to mainline, but we're sorta under the gun where we have to collect everything and merge it and release when we have something stable
Mar 17 05:54:39 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	odd position we're in, you know
Mar 17 05:54:54 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	so, yeah, merging the cockpit branch from epsy is on my to-do list
Mar 17 06:07:37 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	Also: apparently it's  a pain in the ass to use Google Now to create a calendar appointment
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Mar 17 14:23:52 2016 *	Now talking on #armagetron
Mar 17 14:23:52 2016 *	Topic for #armagetron is: http://www.armagetronad.org/ | pastebin: http://armagetron.pastebin.com/ | Tournaments: #armagetron.tourneys | Pickup a game: #armagetron.pickup
Mar 17 14:23:52 2016 *	Topic for #armagetron set by guru3 at Wed Apr 22 16:50:50 2015
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Mar 17 15:27:05 2016 <MrBougo>	Lucifer_arma: I don't get it. I rebooted my modem/router box and it still doesn't relay the dns correctly for forums.armagetronad.net, I get a "no such name" response
Mar 17 15:28:21 2016 <MrBougo>	but this issue is not yours to troubleshoot :)  I'll try again next week and contact my ISP if it still happens
Mar 17 15:28:38 2016 <MrBougo>	it's weird that I've only seen this happen on this one domain
Mar 17 15:28:54 2016 <MrBougo>	does armagetronad.net have any other subdomains I should maybe test?
Mar 17 15:29:22 2016 <MrBougo>	eh, now I notice the main site is armagetronad.org, not the same TLD
Mar 17 15:30:07 2016 <MrBougo>	querying the relay for armagetronad.net returns
Mar 17 15:30:10 2016 <zmanuel>	MrBougo: forums.armagetronad.net is currently not working
Mar 17 15:30:12 2016 <zmanuel>	use forums3
Mar 17 15:31:10 2016 <MrBougo>	ah? it still seems strange that I get a non-empty DNS response when I query my isp's DNS server directly, yet querying the relay in my modem/router box returns no such name
Mar 17 15:31:36 2016 <MrBougo>	yeah, forums3 works, thanks
Mar 17 15:32:21 2016 <zmanuel>	I don't know how how  the freenode guys communicate on channel disputes. I posted my statement (made not knowing what precisely the accusations against us are, mind) here: http://forums3.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=297425#p297425
Mar 17 15:32:40 2016 <zmanuel>	dinner time! I hope. Cooking time, anyway.
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Mar 17 15:50:27 2016 <AmarokNelg>	well, this is a free and open source game which you can contribute to, 
Mar 17 15:52:48 2016 <AmarokNelg>	so I don't see why this channel's been reported
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Mar 17 16:40:06 2016 <uptime>	AmarokNelg: Namely because of the behaviour in the channel, although the person reporting has yet to return
Mar 17 16:52:30 2016 <sinewav>	I think Armagetron development is just fine. After all, I haven't written a single line of code for one of my own projects in over three years, so Arma has me beat!
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Mar 17 18:32:14 2016 <sinewav>	One of the things I noticed about the 0.4 branch is that the Rim Wall texture is darker and appears to be clamped down using software. Is this true? I've been working on textures and I can't get the color/lumiosity I want.
Mar 17 18:59:37 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I honestly don't know the answer to that.  My guess is that what you're seeing is a result of eliminating the separate rendering paths for the default graphics and the moviepack, but I thought that was done in the 0.2.8 line, so there shouldn't be anything new in 0.4
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Mar 17 19:04:56 2016 <NinjaPotato>	]echo test
Mar 17 19:04:57 2016 <ljrbot>	test
Mar 17 19:05:16 2016 <NinjaPotato>	]tell sinewav maybe the rim_wall_red/green/blue values are different or something?
Mar 17 19:05:16 2016 <ljrbot>	no!
Mar 17 19:05:25 2016 <NinjaPotato>	ljrbot: fu
Mar 17 19:05:25 2016 <ljrbot>	no, FU NinjaPotato!
Mar 17 19:05:46 2016 <NinjaPotato>	]later tell sinewav maybe the rim_wall_red/green/blue values are different or something?
Mar 17 19:05:47 2016 <ljrbot>	NinjaPotato: The operation succeeded.
Mar 17 19:05:57 2016 <NinjaPotato>	ljrbot: thanks!
Mar 17 19:05:58 2016 <ljrbot>	NinjaPotato: Error: "thanks!" is not a valid command.
Mar 17 19:25:05 2016 <ct|kyle>	what a rude bot
Mar 17 19:25:24 2016 <ct|kyle>	must take ofter the owner or soemthing
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Mar 17 22:14:50 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I wish that saying "Ok, google" actually started an interactive session with my phone, and "thanks" or some variation of it would end the session
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