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Log from 2009-05-02:
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01:04 <Flex> madmax, great
01:07 <Flex> urm, i meant like, luzifer thinks you're going to make it^
01:07 <Flex> he done that last time, too
01:08 <luke-jr_> Flex: Yandere
01:08 <luke-jr_> ?
01:09 <Flex> yandere?
01:09 <luke-jr_> yeah
01:09 <luke-jr_> in #anime
01:09 <akira_arma> .tea
01:09 <tronner> akira_arma: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
01:09 <noob13> :(
01:09 <akira_arma> ASFAGSGD
01:10 <Flex> what's with the _ luke-jr_?
01:11 <luke-jr_> who cares
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02:06 <Flex> ahh
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02:35 <Flex> hey druggy!
02:35 <ct|kyle> o0 pothead is here again
02:37 <dubStep> oi
02:37 <dubStep> im not a druggy
02:37 <ct|kyle> pot = drug
02:37 <dubStep> druggy denotes that a person does nothing but take drugs and has no prospects in life and no intelligence
02:37 <dubStep> thats not me
02:38 <dubStep> so im technically not a druggie
02:38 <Flex> i was joking
02:38 <ct|kyle> yuo have no intelligence though so you are close
02:38 <dubStep> lol im talkin to kyle
02:38 <dubStep> oh sure...
02:39 <ct|kyle> well smoking pot is a sign of it :P
02:39 <dubStep> i'm sure you're fully aware of my intelligence.
02:39 <Flex> silly statement kyle
02:39 <dubStep> if i have no intelligence exlain my IQ and my attendance to a private school.
02:39 <ct|kyle> I know I'm just playin around, you gave up sooner than I thought you would Flex
02:40 <dubStep> sorry but it's been a loooooong day
02:40 <dubStep> i only just got home
02:40 <ct|kyle> IQ tests are not that good
02:40 <Flex> P4 got angry on the 8th or 9th time i called him a druggy, it only took dubStep once! :p
02:40 <dubStep> yea because i'm not a druggy
02:41 <ct|kyle> thay only measure current knowledge not potentual knowledge
02:41 <dubStep> and it pisses me off when people call me one with no knowledge of my background or my life...
02:41 <dubStep> especially when i don't consider weed a drug
02:42 <dubStep> if you had called me a ruggy on the basis that i take shrooms occasionally then i would have been slower to argue
02:42 <Flex> well, i would consider two options A. quit doing any sort of drugs. B don't take it so serious
02:42 <dubStep> because they are considerably more detrimental to your health
02:42 <dubStep> .tea
02:42 <tronner> dubStep: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
02:42 <dubStep> .durka
02:42 <tronner> dubStep: .:] Twisted Rats [:. Fortress: Players (0/32):
02:43 <dubStep> .si wild west
02:43 <tronner> dubStep: Wild West  =CTF Shooting=: Players (10/10): .NbK.Johnny, ¬slyNe¦, liquidsunshine, nubleeeet, random blak guy, Stalin\'6789, Tamiflu, The Doctor, the offspring, |FW~Råt¢hêt
02:43 <ct|kyle> but weed is a mind altering drug
02:43 <dubStep> altering the mind is not always a bad thing
02:43 <ct|kyle> it effects your psychological state
02:43 <dubStep> and why is this a bad thing?
02:43 <dubStep> please elaborate.
02:43 <ct|kyle> still any thing introduced into the body like that is a drug weather it is good or bad
02:44 <Flex> i'd like to know what makes it not a drug
02:44 <dubStep> so a person on antibiotics for an infection is a druggie then?
02:44 <Flex> yup!
02:44 <ct|kyle> they have controll
02:44 <ct|kyle> but yes
02:44 <dubStep> and who says i don't have control over weed?
02:44 <dubStep> i choose when i smoke, not the weed
02:44 <dubStep> there is no addiction
02:45 <Flex> twisting the point, though. A, it's proscribed. B, it's for the infection?
02:45 <dubStep> only an enjoyable sense of satisfaction and relief.
02:45 <ct|kyle> but there is also no need for it
02:45 <dubStep> i can and have quit smoking in the past
02:45 <dubStep> yes
02:45 <dubStep> in your opinion
02:45 <dubStep> because you do not like it.
02:45 <Flex> prescribed^
02:45 <dubStep> as with anything, preference is a major contributory factor
02:45 <ct|kyle> you can have prescribed weed
02:46 <dubStep> yes
02:46 <dubStep> look
02:46 <dubStep> lets be honest
02:46 <ct|kyle> you know you can get a high off of clovers
02:46 <dubStep> this argument, debate, whatever you want to call it, will not affect my opinion, nor will it affect yours
02:46 <dubStep> so lets drop it
02:47 <Flex> pass the issue, if it's good or bad.. that's not the debate.. it's the actual definition, I assume we're debating about here
02:47 <dubStep> there is no argument about definitions
02:47 <dubStep> the definition of a drug is a chemical that has an effect on the body
02:47 <dubStep> alcohol
02:47 <dubStep> nicotine
02:47 <dubStep> thc
02:48 <ct|kyle> buring weed realeases chemicals that alter the phsycological state
02:48 <dubStep> anything that you put into your body that changes your state of mind or physical attributes, can technically be called a drug
02:49 <dubStep> the debate is not about the term "drug" it's about the nedgative way in which weed smokers are looked upon
02:49 <Flex> alchohol; there's limits for safety. nicotine; we all know its effects.
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02:49 <dubStep> but to be perfectly honest... i don't give a shit what peoplr thinks, otherwise i would have stopped  smoking weed the first time my mom found out.
02:50 <ct|kyle> I'm technically on a drug now
02:50 <dubStep> just thought that it was a little uncalled for and misdirected, take that as you will.
02:50 <ct|kyle> caffeine
02:50 <ct|kyle> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/04/air-force-windows/
02:50 <dubStep> i dont expect you to alter the way you behave or the way you see drugs, its merely my opinion
02:51 <Flex> lol, nice link
02:51 <dubStep> as what you think of weed is yours, and i respect it, but i do not have to agree. nor do you
02:52  * ct|kyle wonders if dubStep read "(20:39:53) ct|kyle: I know I'm just playin around, you gave up sooner than I thought you would Flex"
02:52 <dubStep> i read it, but like i said its been a long day and my patience is a little thin on the ground at the moment
02:52 <Flex> i want to play torn!
02:53 <ct|kyle> torn?
02:53 <dubStep> .si wild west sumo
02:53 <tronner> dubStep: There doesn\'t seem to be a server matching “wild west sumo” at the moment, sorry.
02:53 <dubStep> wtf
02:53 <dubStep> il just go
02:53 <dubStep> meh nobody interesting online, theyre all in sumo
02:54 <akira_arma> ....
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02:56 <dubStep> sup neal nub <3
02:56  * nsh22 rolls eyes
02:56 <dubStep> oh
02:56 <dubStep> ite den
02:56 <dubStep> i see how it is
02:56 <nsh22> sup nubcake
02:56 <dubStep> naw
02:56 <dubStep> too late
02:57 <nsh22> ok :D
02:57 <nsh22> yess!
02:57  * dubStep blocks neal on msn
02:57  * ct|kyle blocks msn.
02:58 <dubStep> ct|kyle fails
02:58  * nsh22 sends offline msgs and gets aroound the block
02:58 <nsh22> ct|kyle: wtf did baby bug go?
02:58 <dubStep> didnt get um
02:58 <dubStep> nub
02:58 <nsh22> unblock me bitch :P
02:58 <dubStep> no fuck u
02:58 <nsh22> <3
02:59 <dubStep> beg
02:59 <nsh22> __|__
02:59 <dubStep> ite den no loss to me :)
02:59 <nsh22> i can live w/o you
02:59 <nsh22> :P
02:59 <dubStep> good
02:59 <dubStep> bout time
02:59 <nsh22> but the real question is, can you w/o me? lmao
02:59 <Flex> I wish you would step back from that ledge, my friend
03:00 <nsh22> lol random song quote
03:00 <ct|kyle> babybugs' truth was exposed
03:00 <nsh22> what truth?
03:00 <Flex> hehe
03:00 <dubStep> that she was a he
03:00 <ct|kyle> that babybug is a dude
03:00 <nsh22> rly?
03:00 <dubStep> nub
03:00 <akira_arma> how can you expose such a tthing?
03:00 <dubStep> dont trust any girls u havent spoken to
03:01 <nsh22> are you kidding me?
03:01 <ct|kyle> that's what lizmatic said
03:01 <nsh22> she was a he?
03:01 <akira_arma> well anyone on the net is an it for me.. leaning heavily to he
03:01 <nsh22> so why doesnt "she" hang around here anymore?
03:01 <ct|kyle> and he was not back after that
03:01 <akira_arma> what happened?
03:02 <nsh22> so liz said in here that babybug was a hhe?
03:02 <dubStep> she said in tron
03:02 <ct|kyle> she told me that when I got on, after it all happened
03:02 <nsh22> thats creepy
03:02 <dubStep> why would u pretend to be a girl
03:02 <dubStep> oO
03:02 <Flex> lmao.. people on here flirting with "her" i remember some sick stuff
03:02 <nsh22> ct|kyle: and you fuggled it too!
03:03 <akira_arma> lol
03:03 <nsh22> Flex: i.e. ct|kyle
03:03 <dubStep> thats nasty
03:03 <ct|kyle> fugled?
03:03 <Flex> some were worse, i won't name names
03:03 <nsh22> i think it was you
03:03 <akira_arma> names are good
03:03 <akira_arma> tell
03:03 <nsh22> someone was like: /me fuggles babybug
03:03 <dubStep> give us names so we can lul next time we see em
03:04 <nsh22> akira_arma: flex may say names
03:04 <nsh22> i remember when liz was drunk on here
03:04 <akira_arma> i love silly internet dramas
03:04 <nsh22> akira_arma: flex may say your name*
03:04 <akira_arma> nah
03:04 <Flex> na
03:04 <akira_arma> I only flirt with confirmed females
03:04 <Flex> and me
03:04 <Flex> ?
03:04 <nsh22> dub is a confirmed shemale
03:04  * akira_arma hugs flex
03:05 <Flex> ^^
03:05 <dubStep> nope nope nope
03:05 <dubStep> nobody need know my gender
03:05 <dubStep> its not important
03:05 <nsh22> true, you go either way :P
03:05 <dubStep> not anymore
03:05 <nsh22> 0-0
03:05 <akira_arma> eew
03:05 <Flex> you're packing both down there, huh?
03:05 <dubStep> no
03:05 <nsh22> akira_arma: shes a girl
03:05 <dubStep> he meant
03:05 <dubStep> i swing both ways
03:05 <dubStep> but not anymore
03:06 <Flex> lol
03:06 <dubStep> not interesting in guys
03:06 <dubStep> interested*
03:06 <dubStep> xD
03:06 <dubStep> jk
03:06 <nsh22> lmao
03:06 <dubStep> naw i dont like girls that way
03:06 <dubStep> had my fun
03:06 <dubStep> not for me
03:06 <nsh22> i find it funny how us guys can find gay in females "good" yet gay in guys is gross (which it is)
03:07 <dubStep> some girls find it hot
03:07 <dubStep> i know a couple
03:07 <dubStep> but its weird imo
03:07 <Flex> some find it sick
03:07 <nsh22> ah, i had been wondering that for some time now
03:07 <dubStep> the girls that like it that i know are emo girls
03:07 <nsh22> wait
03:07 <dubStep> that like girl looking guys
03:07 <dubStep> o
03:07 <dubStep> so*
03:07 <nsh22> dubStep: when you talk about the girl couples do they like gay guys or girls?
03:08 <dubStep> gay guys
03:08 <nsh22> ok
03:08 <dubStep> but emo gay guys
03:08 <nsh22> EW
03:08 <dubStep> they call it "boy love"
03:08 <dubStep> lol
03:08 <dubStep> funny imo
03:08 <nsh22> i havew no problem with gays, as long as they dont try anything with me
03:08 <dubStep> saying "EW" suggests otherwise
03:08 <ct|kyle> that is wht everyone says
03:08 <dubStep> lol
03:09 <nsh22> 'i meant ew emo'
03:09 <dubStep> its ok to be homophobic
03:09 <Flex> wellll... i changed my ring tone
03:09 <nsh22> lol
03:09 <dubStep> why
03:09 <Flex> kept missing calls :(
03:09 <dubStep> 14 ppl online from tron
03:09 <nsh22> dubStep: you nub hes trying to change subject
03:10 <dubStep> yet none of them are on tron
03:10 <dubStep> oh destiny is
03:10 <nsh22> dubStep: unblock me, pweeze
03:10 <dubStep> but theyre practicing for ladle, closed practice :\
03:10 <dubStep> no neal
03:10 <dubStep> i told u
03:10 <dubStep> beg
03:10 <Flex> the key to a good ring tone, is to have the music start, right away
03:10 <nsh22> i just did
03:10 <dubStep> thats not begging
03:10 <nsh22> anyways, ill beg some other time, i g2g
03:10 <dubStep> pz
03:10 <nsh22> f u bish :P
03:11 <dubStep> nty
03:11 <nsh22> ok, your too far away anyways (and you prolly have aids)
03:11 <dubStep> naw just swine flu
03:11 <nsh22> same ting
03:11 <Flex> join #swineflu for the latest news!
03:11 <nsh22> lmao, theholyduck is op there haha
03:12 <akira_arma> meh flex
03:12 <Flex> #swineflu-erotica for your fettish's
03:12 <akira_arma> dont give it more credit ;)
03:12 <dubStep> why is no1 on tron
03:12 <dubStep> oO
03:12 <nsh22> Flex: that better not be a real channel
03:12 <dubStep> .durka
03:12 <Flex> it is..
03:12 <tronner> dubStep: .:] Twisted Rats [:. Fortress: Players (0/32):
03:13 <dubStep> .tea
03:13 <tronner> dubStep: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
03:13 <dubStep> :\
03:13 <dubStep> @si wild west fortress
03:13 <teabot> dubStep: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “wild west fortress” at the moment, sorry.
03:13  * dubStep rolls eyes
03:13 <akira_arma> which team are you in dub?
03:13 <akira_arma> i forgot
03:13 <dubStep> plus
03:13 <akira_arma> ah those suckers ;)
03:13 <dubStep> ...
03:14  * Flex takes off mask
03:14 <ct|kyle> them n00ba
03:14 <akira_arma> I really like pressure
03:14 <akira_arma> she leaves when i block her mid attacks 2-3 times
03:14 <akira_arma> ;)
03:14 <dubStep> pressure is godly
03:14 <akira_arma> no
03:14 <Flex> she?
03:14 <akira_arma> totally wrong
03:14 <dubStep> pressure is not a girl
03:14 <akira_arma> she/he posed as one tho
03:14 <Flex> he's a gay guy
03:14 <akira_arma> anyways
03:14 <dubStep> lol
03:14 <dubStep> press likes to fuck with ppl
03:14 <akira_arma> take his mid attacks away
03:15 <dubStep> nice to know he sucked u in
03:15 <akira_arma> well
03:15 <akira_arma> i dont see him
03:15 <akira_arma> so i can only act according to what i read
03:15 <akira_arma> not that i care
03:15 <akira_arma> for a personal pronoun
03:15 <nsh22> smoothice: !!!!!!!!!!!!
03:15 <Flex> he fucked with me once.. i graped him 600-0
03:15 <Flex> and he left
03:15 <akira_arma> yea
03:15 <nsh22> graped?
03:15 <akira_arma> he is actually so predictable :/
03:15 <Flex> only to come back as an undead lurking the forts looking for his soul
03:16 <akira_arma> but + got lacka :/
03:16 <smoothice> nsh22: lol
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03:16  * dubStep is not even paying attention anymore
03:17 <Flex> do we have time to change our team name.. we should have something funky
03:17 <Flex> with some spunk
03:17 <dubStep> grapists
03:18 <akira_arma> btw who will be def?
03:18 <Flex> luzifer
03:18 <akira_arma> ah usual setup
03:18 <Flex> well, not the usual, just the only option
03:18 <akira_arma> you and pav sweep max and nemo attack i guess
03:19 <Flex> yup
03:19  * ct|kyle is brb
03:19 <akira_arma> k
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03:19 <akira_arma> nice
03:19 <akira_arma> we will be the only team doing singlegrinds :)
03:19 <Flex> i'm only 30% single binds
03:20 <akira_arma> max and nemo dont dg if i recall
03:20 <Flex> well, i guess sometimes i do 50% single
03:20 <akira_arma> meant at start flex
03:20 <akira_arma> not binds
03:20 <akira_arma> *grinds*
03:20 <Flex> ohh
03:20 <Flex> yeah
03:21 <akira_arma> we should train the split then a bit
03:21 <akira_arma> maybe 15 minutes before
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03:26 <Flex> akira_arma, want to play?
03:26 <akira_arma> where?
03:26 <Flex> cafe
03:26 <akira_arma> umm
03:26 <akira_arma> we are alone there
03:26 <Flex> right
03:26 <akira_arma> cozy
03:27 <akira_arma> we could try to get the sumo dudes to play
03:27 <Flex> 1vs1
03:27 <Flex> more will come
03:27 <akira_arma> hm
03:27 <akira_arma> we should rather go to TR fort then
03:28 <Flex> ok
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05:03 <luke-jr_> dubStep: as if private school attendance is a good thing, or because of your intelligence?
05:03 <luke-jr_> ct|kyle: IQ tests compare current knowledge to potential knowledge, that's WHY they're relevant
05:04 <luke-jr_> dubStep: I consider chemical mind alteration to always be a bad thing.
05:05 <luke-jr_> ]later tell Flex "prescribed" only means joe random loser doctor suggested it
05:05 <luke-jr_> technically, the FDA consider holy water to be a drug
05:06 <luke-jr_> there, caught up
05:06 <ct|kyle> luke-jr_: your too late to jump in
05:06 <dubStep> man i forgot i was in here
05:06 <sinewav> lol
05:07 <sinewav> nice run luke
05:07 <dubStep> heeeeey sexxi <3
05:07 <sinewav> hai!
05:07 <dubStep> i missed u
05:07 <sinewav> I miss you too
05:07 <dubStep> xD
05:07 <luke-jr_> so to summarize…
05:07 <sinewav> we're looking into a vote for you dub, in plus
05:07 <luke-jr_> 1. since you don't have a choice in attending the private school, it says NOTHING about you
05:07 <luke-jr_> 2. private schools are not good
05:08 <dubStep> yes i do have a choice
05:08 <dubStep> i had a choice whether or not to take the entrance exam
05:08 <dubStep> i had a choice whether or not to attend
05:08 <luke-jr_> 3. IQ tests tell how much of your potential intelligence you've used
05:08 <luke-jr_> dubStep: then your parents are being irresponsible
05:08 <dubStep> its not about my parents
05:08 <dubStep> my dad is not around
05:08 <dubStep> and my mom does what she feels is best
05:09 <dubStep> i respect her for that
05:09 <luke-jr_> maybe she considered your opinion, but letting you choose is not correct
05:09 <luke-jr_> dubStep: if you chose to sit home and play games 24/7, would she let you?
05:09 <luke-jr_> ok, so it wasn't *really* your choice ;p
05:09 <dubStep> she would have no choice because she doesnt control me
05:09 <luke-jr_> she is your authority
05:10 <luke-jr_> you must obey hetr
05:10 <luke-jr_> her*
05:10 <dubStep> she realises that i am no longer a child
05:10 <dubStep> no she does not tell me what to do
05:10 <dubStep> only what she thinks i should do
05:10 <luke-jr_> she should set boundaries on what you can do
05:10 <dubStep> opi have the choice to ignore her p[
05:10 <sinewav> dub is at in important stage where you make decisions and take responsibility.
05:10 <luke-jr_> that's her duty
05:10 <dubStep> opinion*
05:10 <dubStep> omg lying down typing is gay
05:11 <luke-jr_> parents have a duty to set boundaries for their children
05:11 <dubStep> but once a child reaches a certain age that responsibility moves to the child
05:11 <sinewav> luke I agree, but at her age it's a tough call
05:12 <luke-jr_> yes, at the same time the child moves out
05:12 <luke-jr_> ideally somewhere between 12 and 15
05:12 <dubStep> i was ready to move out a couple of years ago
05:12 <luke-jr_> but in reality, it tends to be later these days
05:12 <sinewav> it doesn't have to be like that, each realtionship is unique
05:13 <sinewav> neither of us can really say what is best, just what generally feel "right".
05:13 <luke-jr_> dubStep: "ready to move out" means you're prepared to support yourself entirely, as well as your spouse and children if that is your calling
05:13 <dubStep> no becaus eit would be irresponsable for a teenager to have a child or a spouse
05:13 <sinewav> I don't know anyone who could support themselves "entirely" before 40
05:14 <luke-jr_> it also means you've learned the boundaries your parents should have taught you, and enforce them on yourself
05:14 <dubStep> by saying ready to move out i mean to get my own place and pay bills yes.
05:14 <luke-jr_> dubStep: ideally, one should become and adult including marriage if applicable around 12-15
05:14 <luke-jr_> an*
05:14 <dubStep> yes and thats the way it works in other places around the world
05:15 <luke-jr_> pretty much everywhere until recently
05:15 <luke-jr_> when "teenagerhood" was invented
05:15 <dubStep> in the western world children are "molly coddled" too much imo
05:15 <luke-jr_> back in the good Middle Ages things were much saner
05:15 <luke-jr_> no rebellous teenagers, but instead young adults marrying and moving out on their own
05:16 <luke-jr_> starting on the next generation
05:16 <dubStep> that statement is too general
05:16 <sinewav> is that the ultimate goal? in life? for everyone?
05:16 <dubStep> and rebellion is not always a bad thing
05:16 <sinewav> mairrage and a house?
05:16 <dubStep> if it were not for rebellion change wouldnt happen, be it negative or positive
05:16 <sinewav> that sounds so ...plain.
05:17 <dubStep> marriage and a house is not for me
05:17 <luke-jr_> sinewav: not for everyone
05:17 <luke-jr_> dubStep: rebellion is pretty much always a bad thing, yes
05:17 <dubStep> no it is not
05:18 <luke-jr_> I can't think of an example where rebellion is not bad ☺
05:18 <sinewav> rebellion is good or bad based soley on perspective
05:18 <dubStep> rosa parks
05:18 <dubStep> martin luther king
05:18 <sinewav> good one
05:18 <luke-jr_> dubStep: nope, bad
05:18 <dubStep> god the list is endless
05:18 <sinewav> ...
05:18 <dubStep> if you think that rebellion is bad then you must be stupid
05:18 <luke-jr_> they broke the rules
05:18 <sinewav> what was bad about it?
05:18 <dubStep> no offence
05:19 <luke-jr_> there are legitimate ways to change the rules
05:19 <luke-jr_> but breaking them is not legit
05:19 <dubStep> rofl
05:19 <sinewav> I get where your coming from
05:19 <dubStep> legitimacy is not a viable way of determining what is right or wrong
05:20 <dubStep> what is to say that the rules were legit in the first place?
05:20 <luke-jr_> dubStep: all authority comes from God
05:20 <sinewav> er...
05:20 <sinewav> this is where you lose me.
05:20 <luke-jr_> unless the rule is in violation of a higher rule, it is legit
05:20 <luke-jr_> I see no reason Rosa Parks shouldn't have just sat or stood where she was supposed to.
05:21 <dubStep> if all authority comes from God, man is in no position to make any rules.
05:21 <sinewav> that sounds like hinduism
05:21 <dubStep> unless approved by God himself.
05:21 <sinewav> are you a hind luke?
05:21 <luke-jr_> dubStep: the USA has authority from God, for example
05:21 <luke-jr_> sinewav: no
05:21 <dubStep> the USA has authority from God?
05:21 <sinewav> you sound like one
05:21 <dubStep> rofl
05:21 <dubStep> now you're starting to sound very stupid
05:22 <luke-jr_> dubStep: personally, I hope someone overthrows the USA and takes its place
05:22 <luke-jr_> but until that time, the USA holds the authority
05:22 <ct|kyle> dubStep: he is
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05:23 <luke-jr_> at least for a particular region of America
05:23 <dubStep> also
05:23 <dubStep> is the USA is approved by God
05:23 <luke-jr_> now, if a state were to secede, that's a grey area ☺
05:23 <dubStep> who is to say the the changes that have happened in history are not because of Gid
05:23 <dubStep> maybe God told Rosa to disobey that bus driver
05:24 <luke-jr_> dubStep: God doesn't tell people to sin
05:24 <dubStep> lol
05:24 <dubStep> so standing up for yourself is a Sin
05:24 <dubStep> so God is a fascist now?
05:24 <luke-jr_> violating legitimate authority is sin
05:24 <luke-jr_> if the bus company had a policy that the bus driver was violating, she would be jsutified
05:24 <dubStep> how is it legit to demand a person move to the back of  bus becaue of the colour of their skin?
05:24 <luke-jr_> if the state had a law forbidding it, the same
05:25 <luke-jr_> but AFAIK the bus driver wasn't violatign any higher authority
05:25 <luke-jr_> dubStep: how is it not legit?
05:25 <dubStep> just because a rule is written it does not make it legit
05:25 <dubStep> it means a bunch of people say it is legit
05:25 <luke-jr_> as long as the rule does not contradict a higher rule
05:25 <luke-jr_> it does
05:25 <dubStep> but a bunch of people who say it is not legit also
05:25 <dubStep> so is the rule right or wrong?
05:25 <dubStep> its dependant on your opinion
05:25 <dubStep> its got nothing to do with God
05:26 <luke-jr_> the rule is legit provided it is presented by an authority, and does not contradict with a higher rule
05:26 <luke-jr_> it does
05:26 <dubStep> if the rule is legit
05:26 <luke-jr_> if you disobey those who God has given authority over you, you disobey God
05:26 <dubStep> why was it changed?
05:26 <luke-jr_> dubStep: some rules are arbitrary and can thus be changed
05:26 <dubStep> lol
05:26 <dubStep> so God is a racist AND a fascist
05:27 <luke-jr_> not racist, at least
05:27  * luke-jr_ pulls out dictionary to refresh fascist
05:27 <dubStep> according to the ullshit you just stated
05:27 <dubStep> he is racist
05:27 <luke-jr_> nope
05:27 <luke-jr_> man made that rule
05:27 <dubStep> just as racist as the people who apporoved those rules
05:28 <dubStep> an oppressed people
05:28 <luke-jr_> dubStep: if God were fascist, you would be UNABLE to disobey
05:28 <dubStep> if what you say about authority and legtimacy is true
05:28 <dubStep> God is racist.
05:28 <luke-jr_> dubStep: how is it "oppressing" for them to sit at the back?
05:28 <luke-jr_> is sitting at the back of a bus going to kill you?
05:29 <dubStep> the placing of the seat is not the issue
05:29 <luke-jr_> and the people who make the rules will be judged for making them, but that is their problem, not yours
05:29 <dubStep> the fact that they made blacks and only blacks move is the issue
05:29 <dubStep> that is the oppression part
05:29 <luke-jr_> dubStep: presumably they wouldn't let whites in the black section?
05:30 <dubStep> how is this relevant? im talking about what you're saying about the rule being legit and approved by God
05:30 <dubStep> its oppressive
05:30 <dubStep> God is not supposed to be oppressive
05:30 <dubStep> according to the Bible.
05:30 <dubStep> and logic.
05:30 <luke-jr_> and that's not oppression, it's discrimination
05:30 <dubStep> its both.
05:30 <luke-jr_> no, oppression must be unjust or cruel
05:31 <luke-jr_> having seating sections is neither
05:31 <dubStep> it IS unjust
05:31 <sinewav> really luke, are you familiar with hinduism? because, well...
05:31 <sinewav> you talk like one
05:31 <luke-jr_> dubStep: killing Jesus was unjust, yet Pilate had the authority to do it
05:31 <dubStep> rofl
05:31 <luke-jr_> so back to the authority matter, the authority is still there
05:31 <dubStep> so does that make it legit?
05:31 <luke-jr_> nope
05:32 <luke-jr_> but Christ still obeyed
05:32 <dubStep> well then
05:32 <dubStep> your entire argument is flawed
05:32 <dubStep> congrats for destroying your whole debate.
05:32 <luke-jr_> flawed how?
05:32 <dubStep> you just said crucifying jesus was not legit, even though Pilate had the authority to do it.
05:32 <dubStep> so that means having authority does not mean legitimacy
05:32 <luke-jr_> the point is that disobeying an authority is wrong
05:33 <dubStep> no it is not
05:33 <luke-jr_> dubStep: Pilate killing Jesus was illegit only because it contradicted a higher law
05:33 <dubStep> not if the rule is not legit in the first place
05:33 <sinewav> good point
05:33 <dubStep> lol and who are you to tell me that black belogn at the back of a bus
05:33 <dubStep> blakcs*
05:33 <dubStep> does it say that in the Bible?
05:33 <luke-jr_> dubStep: I'm not an authority
05:33 <dubStep> did you hear it from God?
05:34 <sinewav> :o
05:34 <luke-jr_> if the government in authority has such a law, it is law
05:34 <dubStep> show me the scripture that says blacks belong at the back of a bus
05:34 <luke-jr_> it does not contradict a higher law
05:34 <luke-jr_> therefore it must be obeyed
05:34 <dubStep> but the government is not the highest of laws
05:34 <dubStep> according to you God is
05:34 <luke-jr_> correct
05:34 <dubStep> and if God is not racist
05:34 <luke-jr_> but there is no higher law that forbids segregation
05:34 <dubStep> the rule is not legit
05:34 <sinewav> true dub
05:34 <dubStep> nor is the authority
05:34 <sinewav> good one
05:34 <luke-jr_> segregation is not racist
05:35 <dubStep> yes it is
05:35 <sinewav> uh, yeah it is by definition
05:35 <luke-jr_> based on my observations, segregation may actually be a good idea in some areas
05:35 <sinewav> racial segregation
05:35 <dubStep> rofl
05:35 <luke-jr_> cultural segreation, because cultures can conflict
05:35 <ct|kyle> #luke-jrisanasshat
05:35 <luke-jr_> cultures happen to overlap with race a lot
05:35 <dubStep> your argument lacks consistancy and back up/evidence
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05:39 <luke-jr_> ]bible John 19:10-11
05:39 <luke-jr_> there, evidence
05:39 <luke-jr_> meh
05:39 <luke-jr_> where is ljrbot
05:39 <luke-jr_> 0 Pilate therefore saith to him: Speakest thou not to me? knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and I have power to release thee?
05:39 <luke-jr_> 11 Jesus answered: Thou shouldst not have any power against me, unless it were given thee from above. Therefore, he that hath delivered me to thee, hath the greater sin.
05:41 <sinewav> interesting. but...
05:42 <sinewav> that opens up the debate about predestination.
05:42 <luke-jr_> there is no such debate
05:42 <sinewav> and the answer is?
05:42 <dubStep> rofl
05:42 <dubStep> luke
05:42 <dubStep> before jesus died
05:42 <luke-jr_> sinewav: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12378a.htm
05:42 <dubStep> he said something along the lines of forgive the m father for they know not what they do
05:43 <dubStep> suggesting that they had committed a sin by crucifying him
05:43 <luke-jr_> indeed
05:43 <dubStep> therefore having authrotiy, be it from God or otherwise
05:43 <luke-jr_> authority who make bad laws are responsible for them
05:43 <luke-jr_> but the laws must still be obeyed by those under them
05:43 <dubStep> does not make you immune to sin
05:43 <luke-jr_> I didn't say it did
05:43 <dubStep> therefore a person in a position of authority can still make rules that are highly questionable.
05:44 <luke-jr_> yes, but we are obliged to obey
05:44 <dubStep> no
05:44 <dubStep> we are obliged to obey God
05:44 <dubStep> not the person in authority
05:44 <luke-jr_> both
05:44 <dubStep> people in authority can make mistakes
05:44 <dubStep> shown by the scripture you just showed me
05:44 <luke-jr_> people in authority have said authority from God
05:45 <dubStep> if jese had obeyed rabis whom told him not to perfrom miracles on sabbath he would not have helped a number of people
05:45 <dubStep> does that mean that jesus was in the wrong for helping people
05:45 <luke-jr_> they didn't tell him that
05:45 <dubStep> because he disobeyed a rabi
05:45 <dubStep> the sabbath -  day of rest
05:45 <dubStep> they did persecute him for performing miracles on the sabbath
05:45 <dubStep> it is in the Bible.
05:45 <luke-jr_> prove He disobeyed a rabbi
05:46 <dubStep> im not even a christian and i know that
05:46 <dubStep> how can i prove this
05:46 <dubStep> i wasnt alive bac then
05:46 <dubStep> i cannot even prove the Bible is the truth
05:46 <dubStep> nor can i prove that God exists
05:46 <luke-jr_> authoritative citation is enough
05:46 <dubStep> rofl
05:46 <dubStep> brb
05:47 <luke-jr_> Matt 12:10 -- And behold there was a man who had a withered hand, and they asked him, saying: Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
05:48 <luke-jr_> that was a question, and not necessarily of a rabbi
05:48 <dubStep> back
05:48 <luke-jr_> and was answered and proven to be "no"
05:48 <luke-jr_> err
05:48 <luke-jr_> "yes"
05:49 <dubStep> luke
05:49 <dubStep> whoever asked the question got it from somewhere
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05:49 <dubStep> the likely hood is that they got it from a person of "higher authority"
05:49 <dubStep> most likely a rabi
05:49 <luke-jr_> yes, they misinterpreted the law forbidding work on the Sabbath
05:49 <luke-jr_> so Jesus clarified that good deeds are not considered work
05:49 <dubStep> perfoming a miracle takes some form of effort no?
05:49 <dubStep> thats b.s
05:49 <luke-jr_> and proved it
05:50 <luke-jr_> read the rest of Matt 12
05:50 <dubStep> good deeds can take the most "work" of all
05:50 <dubStep> physical work
05:50 <dubStep> endurance of pain
05:50 <dubStep> or psychological
05:50 <dubStep> it is all work nonetheless
05:50 <luke-jr_> dubStep: work has many definitions
05:50 <dubStep> i have non interest in reading the Bible.
05:50 <dubStep> no*
05:51 <luke-jr_> then why do you bring it up?
05:51 <dubStep> because you are basis your argument on the Bible
05:51 <dubStep> which for all we know could be a fictional peice of writing created by man
05:51 <luke-jr_> no, for all we know it is inerrant
05:51 <luke-jr_> I did not base my argument on the Bible until you demanded some citation ;)
05:52 <luke-jr_> I originally based it on simple logic
05:52 <dubStep> then you DID base it on the Bible.
05:52 <dubStep> when i discredited your argument based on authority given by God
05:52 <dubStep> and the government
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05:52 <luke-jr_> you didn't discredit it
05:52 <luke-jr_> you just ignored it
05:52 <dubStep> scroll up
05:52 <dubStep> you went incredibly silent
05:53 <dubStep> and typed out, probably copy and pasted, some scripture from the bible
05:53 <dubStep> so in fact you did.
05:53 <luke-jr_> dubStep: you demanded "back up evidence" which i took to mean citation
05:53 <dubStep> yes
05:53 <dubStep> which you found within the Bible
05:53 <luke-jr_> nothing more reliable
05:53 <dubStep> which untill now has not been proven to be fact
05:53 <luke-jr_> it has been
05:53 <dubStep> by who
05:53 <dubStep> God?
05:54 <dubStep> who could be in fact a fictional characted created by mankind to prove we have some purpose in life
05:54 <luke-jr_> it was promulgated by the Church
05:54 <dubStep> the Church is one of the most corrupt institutions on the planet
05:54 <luke-jr_> universal promulgations by the Church are infallible on matters of faith and morals
05:54 <dubStep> cmon you should know this
05:54 <luke-jr_> the Church is perfect
05:54 <dubStep> rofl
05:54 <dubStep> oh yeah?
05:54 <luke-jr_> yes
05:54 <dubStep> and the pedophillic priests?
05:54 <dubStep> and the persecution of others?
05:55 <dubStep> according to the Bible
05:55 <luke-jr_> now you're making stuff up
05:55 <dubStep> a man has nor ight to judge ANYBODY
05:55 <dubStep> that RIGHT is left up to God.
05:55 <dubStep> making stuff up?
05:55 <luke-jr_> the Church wrote the Bible
05:55 <dubStep> pedophiles are in the Church
05:55 <dubStep> it has been proven
05:55 <dubStep> and the gay priests?
05:55 <dubStep> thats perfect too?
05:56 <luke-jr_> nope
05:56 <luke-jr_> you're talking about a sect that is outside the Church
05:56 <luke-jr_> re judging, the Bible says we must judge:
05:56 <luke-jr_> 1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to be judged before the unjust, and not before the saints? 2 Know you not that the saints shall judge this world? And if the world shall be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Know you not that we shall judge angels? how much more things of this world? 4 If therefore you have judgments of things pertaining to this world, set them to judge, who are the
05:56 <luke-jr_> most despised in the church. 5 I speak to your shame. Is it so that there is not among you any one wise man, that is able to judge between his brethren?
05:56 <luke-jr_> (I Corinthians 6)
05:56 <ivantis> Dude, the new forums look and feel are just gross
05:57 <dubStep> lol luke
05:57 <dubStep> the Bible is not fact because it is not proven
05:57 <dubStep> give me FACT
05:57 <ivantis> luke-jr_, bring ljrbot back, I'm bored
05:57 <luke-jr_> ivantis: it's here
05:57 <luke-jr_> dubStep: it is proven
05:58 <luke-jr_> and again, YOU were basing things on the Bible
05:58 <ivantis> Not in any channels
05:58 <luke-jr_> ivantis: looks like ISP problems again
05:58 <ivantis> ...
05:58 <ivantis> Broken
05:58 <ivantis> ljrbot :No such nick/channel
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05:58 <ivantis> Oh nevermind
05:58 <dubStep> im not basing shit on the Bible
05:58 <dubStep> because it was written by man
05:59 <dubStep> man have a tendancy to fuck things up
05:59 <luke-jr_> [22:55:07] <dubStep> according to the Bible
05:59 <luke-jr_> [22:55:13] <dubStep> a man has nor ight to judge ANYBODY
05:59 <dubStep> yea
05:59 <luke-jr_> dubStep: it was written by men under guidance of the Holy Ghost
05:59 <ivantis> ]ping
05:59 <dubStep> thats not basisng an argument on hte bible
05:59 <ivantis> FAIL
05:59 <luke-jr_> dubStep: it's asking for a refutation ;)
05:59 <luke-jr_> because it's just wrong
05:59 <dubStep> thats me proving that your argument is stupid and unjust considering you are basing YOUR opinion on the Bible
06:00 <dubStep> that is not my opinion
06:00 <luke-jr_> I don't have an opinion.
06:00 <ljrbot> pong
06:00 <dubStep> i believe you have the right to judge whoever the hell you want
06:00 <dubStep> i mean come on.
06:00 <luke-jr_> and my beliefs are not based on the Bible.
06:00 <luke-jr_> the Bible is rather based on my beliefs.
06:00 <dubStep> you say that God gives authority and that authority is to be respected and adhereed by those below it
06:00 <luke-jr_> correct
06:00 <dubStep> yet that contradicts with your beloved Bible.
06:00 <luke-jr_> nope
06:02 <luke-jr_> dubStep: Yandere game in #anime
06:02 <dubStep> and if we are able to judge
06:02 <dubStep> "allowed" to judge
06:02 <dubStep> only those who are completely pure can do so
06:03 <dubStep> which is proven to be non existsnat within aby man
06:03 <dubStep> there is no perfect human
06:03 <luke-jr_> you're making that up
06:03 <dubStep> rofl
06:03 <luke-jr_> and there are two perfect humans
06:03 <dubStep> wana bet?
06:04 <dubStep> let me guess
06:04 <dubStep> one of them was Jesus?
06:04 <dubStep> even Jesus sinned.
06:04 <luke-jr_> nope
06:04 <luke-jr_> that is blasphemy
06:04 <dubStep> "honour thy mother and thy father" did he not disobey his parents when he left home to go and preach in a temple?
06:04 <luke-jr_> dubStep: no, He did not
06:05 <dubStep> yes he did.
06:05 <luke-jr_> no, He didn't
06:05 <luke-jr_> you're pulling this out of your butt
06:05 <dubStep> why are you protecting something that could be completely fictional?
06:05 <dubStep> is Jesus protecting you?
06:05 <luke-jr_> Jesus isn't fictional
06:05 <dubStep> because you look mighty stupid right now
06:05 <dubStep> hes not protecting you from stupidity
06:06 <luke-jr_> only in your eyes ;)
06:06 <luke-jr_> now come play -.-
06:06 <ivantis> dubStep, choices for you: suck my dick, or play yandere in #anime
06:06 <luke-jr_> …
06:07 <luke-jr_> somehow I don't think that approach is apt to work well, ivantis
06:07 <dubStep> il suck your dick ok?
06:07 <dubStep> no yandere for me
06:07 <dubStep> :)
06:07 <ivantis> dubStep, I meant to say I AM YANDERE AND WILL KILL YOU IF YOU DO NOT PLAY MY GAME!
06:08 <dubStep> yea
06:08 <dubStep> because you werent expecting such an answer
06:08 <dubStep> lol
06:08 <ivantis> Tell you what
06:09 <ivantis> You can suck my dick if you come play yandere
06:09 <luke-jr_> dubStep: your "arguments" haven't reflected too well on your intelligence that you were defending earlier
06:09 <dubStep> intelligence is not reflected by a belief.
06:09 <dubStep> nor a disbelief.
06:10 <luke-jr_> dubStep: disbelief in what is proven does reflect on ignorance, though
06:10 <sinewav> only math is proven
06:10 <dubStep> who is to say that you ar enot ignorant
06:10 <dubStep> we will see at the end of the world who is right
06:10 <dubStep> untill then
06:10 <luke-jr_> dubStep: I have actually studied this stuff ☺
06:10 <dubStep> i dont give a fuck :)
06:10 <dubStep> lol good for you
06:10 <luke-jr_> dubStep: then it will be too late
06:11 <sinewav> I'm cool with hell.
06:11 <dubStep> continue to study a thesis based on  things that cannot be proven
06:11 <sinewav> lots of cool peeps there
06:11 <dubStep> when the end of the world comes, if it is too late i dont care.
06:11 <dubStep> thats my choise
06:11 <dubStep> choice*
06:11 <luke-jr_> sinewav: actually, math depends on more axioms to prove than God deos
06:11 <dubStep> me and sine can go to hell together
06:11 <luke-jr_> since proof of God depends on logic alone
06:11 <dubStep> and you can lol at u sin heaving with God and Jesus while you eat grapes
06:11 <dubStep> us in*
06:12 <dubStep> wow
06:12 <dubStep> im fucked
06:12 <dubStep> cant type
06:12 <dubStep> LOL
06:12 <dubStep> heaven*
06:13 <dubStep> logic says to me that God doesnt exist
06:13 <dubStep> sine the world is up shits creek without a paddle
06:13 <dubStep> since*
06:13 <sinewav> you tell em sister
06:13 <sinewav> lol
06:13 <dubStep> if God loves his people so much
06:13 <dubStep> then he should fucking help them
06:13 <sinewav> true dat
06:13 <dubStep> not sit back and watch them destroy themselves
06:13 <sinewav> yup
06:13 <dubStep> thats utter bullshit
06:14 <dubStep> u tryna tell me that God is lazy?
06:14 <luke-jr_> dubStep: so you think God should take away your free will and force you to do what's right?
06:14 <dubStep> lol
06:14 <sinewav> sure, if it gets me into heaven
06:14 <dubStep> if God has the authority to do so then yea he should take away my free will
06:14 <sinewav> who the fuck needs free will
06:14 <dubStep> exacto
06:14 <dubStep> if God does what is best for his people
06:15 <sinewav> I'd gladly give it up for heaven
06:15 <luke-jr_> sigh
06:15 <dubStep> then help a sister out
06:15 <dubStep> lolol
06:15 <luke-jr_> sinewav: I used to think that
06:15 <luke-jr_> but you have to realize
06:15 <luke-jr_> if someone has no choice
06:15 <sinewav> he can have that shit tonight
06:15 <luke-jr_> then their "decision" is meaningless
06:15 <dubStep> who needs a decision
06:15 <dubStep> if the choice is wrong?
06:15 <sinewav> that's cool, cuz I'm fucked anyway
06:15 <luke-jr_> why did God create us?
06:15 <sinewav> torment
06:15 <dubStep> God knows.
06:15 <dubStep> practical joke?
06:15 <sinewav> he's malevolent
06:16 <dubStep> boredom?
06:16 <luke-jr_> because God wants to be loved, maybe?
06:16 <dubStep> rofl
06:16 <luke-jr_> forced love isn't love
06:16 <dubStep> insecurity then?
06:16 <sinewav> he's god, he doesn't need shit
06:16 <luke-jr_> we have free will so we can truly love God
06:16 <dubStep> lol God has angels
06:16 <sinewav> no thanks
06:16 <dubStep> and Jesus
06:16 <luke-jr_> sinewav: want != need
06:16 <dubStep> he dont need the love of humans
06:16 <luke-jr_> dubStep: Jesus is God
06:16 <dubStep> LOL
06:16 <dubStep> w/e
06:16 <dubStep> this argument is making me choke
06:16 <dubStep> from laughter that is
06:16 <dubStep> if i die tomorrow
06:17 <dubStep> maybe il go to hell
06:17 <dubStep> mayb eil rot in the earth
06:17 <dubStep> who knows but "God"
06:17 <dubStep> and luke jr
06:17 <dubStep> xD
06:17 <luke-jr_> dubStep: and you don't care?
06:17 <dubStep> nope i dont care
06:17 <dubStep> today is not tomorrow
06:17 <luke-jr_> you admit there's a chance you might go to Hell
06:17 <dubStep> il find out tomorrow
06:17 <dubStep> if i die
06:17 <luke-jr_> what harm is there in doing what you can to avoid it? ;)
06:17 <sinewav> chance? I'm destined for it
06:17 <dubStep> of course theres a chance never siad there wasnt
06:17 <dubStep> what i said was
06:17 <dubStep> that u cant prove it
06:17 <luke-jr_> even if you were wrong, you'd just be dead and rot, and wouldn't care
06:18 <dubStep> nope
06:18 <dubStep> im not dead
06:18 <dubStep> im alive
06:18 <dubStep> and high as fuck
06:18 <luke-jr_> if I had the time, I might be able to prove it
06:18 <dubStep> and enjoying my life
06:18 <sinewav> haha
06:18 <luke-jr_> but if I fail to prove it, it's a fault of me, not because it cannot be proven
06:18 <dubStep> what are you doing
06:18 <dubStep> how old are u?
06:18 <luke-jr_> 24
06:18 <dubStep> ur arguing with a 17 year old about God
06:18 <dubStep> who cares
06:18 <dubStep> i dont
06:18 <luke-jr_> ok
06:18 <dubStep> sine doesnt
06:18 <luke-jr_> maybe you'll grow up someday
06:18 <dubStep> of course i will
06:18 <dubStep> one day
06:18 <dubStep> but not today
06:18 <dubStep> so leave me alone
06:18 <dubStep> xD
06:18 <sinewav> god can still save me, but he has to meet me half way
06:18 <luke-jr_> then come play the game
06:19 <dubStep> tru dat sine
06:19 <dubStep> 1 way system
06:19 <luke-jr_> sinewav: He'll forget your past, as long as you try for the future ;)
06:19 <dubStep> 2*
06:19 <dubStep> its a 2 way system
06:19 <sinewav> I spent years looking for him. not a peep. his turn now.
06:19 <dubStep> why shoul i pu my trust in someone that i cant see
06:19 <sinewav> I'll wait. I've got time
06:19 <dubStep> seeing doent mean a person or a body either
06:20 <dubStep> look at all the miracle sin the bible
06:20 <dubStep> now show me one nowadays
06:20 <luke-jr_> dubStep: look at all the miracles every day
06:20 <dubStep> they just aint so frequent
06:20 <dubStep> its a miracle i havent choked on smoke from laughter
06:20 <sinewav> actually, all those miracles happened over thournads of years.
06:20 <luke-jr_> see, there's one right there ;)
06:20 <sinewav> thousands*
06:20 <dubStep> even still
06:20 <dubStep> name one in the last century?
06:20 <luke-jr_> dubStep: there is at least one miracle that is observable even today
06:21 <luke-jr_> if not many
06:21 <luke-jr_> dubStep: I believe Fatima was this century
06:21 <luke-jr_> with many witnesses
06:21 <dubStep> lol
06:21 <dubStep> w/e
06:21 <dubStep> i want one to happen to me
06:21 <dubStep> or around me
06:21 <luke-jr_> dubStep: one just did!
06:21 <dubStep> then maybe il believe
06:21 <dubStep> untill then
06:21 <luke-jr_> you didn't choked
06:21 <luke-jr_> choke*
06:21 <dubStep> not yet
06:21 <dubStep> thats not a miracle
06:21 <luke-jr_> then it's still happening!
06:21 <dubStep> thats oxygen
06:22 <luke-jr_> you said it was ;)
06:22 <sinewav> I think a miracle should be mind-blowing
06:22 <dubStep> yo God
06:22 <dubStep> if your there
06:22 <dubStep> show me a miracle
06:22 <sinewav> I'm waitng for that one, not the mundane ones
06:22 <dubStep> xD
06:22 <luke-jr_> the greatest miracle of all happens pretty regular, but everyone dismisses it because it is so regular
06:22 <dubStep> i want someone whos on their death bed to jump up and be like "IM ALIVE" or some shit
06:22 <sinewav> and....
06:22 <dubStep> maybe il believe then
06:23 <luke-jr_> dubStep: that's not much of a miracle anymore
06:23 <luke-jr_> dubStep: there's drugs to do that
06:23 <dubStep> lol
06:23 <dubStep> LOL
06:23 <sinewav> If I had chameleon skin, that would do it for me.
06:23 <dubStep> so drugs are mircale workers?
06:23 <luke-jr_> dubStep: some can duplicate miracles
06:23 <dubStep> thats science
06:23 <dubStep> not God
06:23 <luke-jr_> God created science
06:23 <dubStep> oh yeah
06:23 <dubStep> ono gom sai
06:24 <luke-jr_> but you can't dismiss it in history either
06:24 <dubStep> yea i can
06:24 <luke-jr_> they didn't know the science back then
06:24 <dubStep> and i do
06:24 <dubStep> not my problem
06:24 <dubStep> i wasnt alive back then
06:24 <luke-jr_> ah, so the saint who raised his dad just was lucky?
06:24 <dubStep> whos to say Jesus wasnt just another scientist
06:24 <dubStep> xD
06:24 <sinewav> ono gom sai? what is small?
06:25 <dubStep> no shit
06:25 <luke-jr_> and his dad just made up the story of having spent time in purgatory?
06:25 <dubStep> thats what it means
06:25 <dubStep> who knows
06:25 <dubStep> maybe he was dillusional
06:25 <dubStep> idk
06:25 <dubStep> was i there?
06:25 <luke-jr_> dubStep: he was in the grave a number of days
06:25 <dubStep> so
06:25 <dubStep> so says the bible
06:25 <dubStep> prove it
06:25 <dubStep> the whole point is u cant
06:25 <luke-jr_> dubStep: were you there when George Washington lived? do you deny he did the things history says he did?
06:25 <dubStep> lol
06:26 <luke-jr_> witnesses are generally admissable as proof, FYI
06:26 <dubStep> GW was a miracle worker too then?
06:26 <luke-jr_> nah
06:26 <luke-jr_> but he still did things
06:26 <luke-jr_> you didn't see
06:26 <dubStep> lol so what
06:26 <dubStep> he didnt do shit for me
06:26 <dubStep> i said I
06:26 <dubStep> ME
06:26 <dubStep> MOI
06:26 <luke-jr_> so you're saying he didn't really do them
06:26 <dubStep> wants a miracle
06:26 <luke-jr_> because you didn't see it
06:26 <dubStep> im saying i cant see it
06:26 <dubStep> "seeing is believing"
06:26 <dubStep> well kown phrase
06:26 <dubStep> u familiar with it?
06:26 <luke-jr_> so go out and see
06:27 <dubStep> no i dont have any interest in doing so
06:27 <dubStep> mircales can come to me
06:27 <dubStep> xD
06:27 <luke-jr_> that's your problem
06:27 <dubStep> yea it is
06:27 <dubStep> i already said that
06:27 <dubStep> idc
06:27 <dubStep> if i die and go to hell tomorrow
06:27 <dubStep> then i die and go to hell tomorrow
06:28 <dubStep> .durka
06:28 <tronner> dubStep: .:] Twisted Rats [:. Fortress: Players (0/32):
06:28 <luke-jr_> dubStep: in the 8th century or so, the Eucharist changed visibly to Christ's flesh and blood
06:28 <dubStep> .tea
06:28 <tronner> dubStep: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
06:28 <dubStep> was i alive in the 8th century?
06:28 <luke-jr_> dubStep: when it was analyzed in the 1900s, it was found to be human DNA, still living
06:28 <dubStep> im trying to get this trhu ur skull
06:28 <dubStep> i wana SEE it
06:28 <luke-jr_> so go see it
06:28 <dubStep> dont wana hear about it
06:28 <dubStep> or read about it
06:28 <luke-jr_> it hasn't disappeared
06:28 <dubStep> i wana see it
06:28 <dubStep> i leave my houe everyday
06:28 <luke-jr_> get a degree and do a study on it
06:28 <dubStep> house*
06:28 <dubStep> and i dont see shit
06:29 <dubStep> but the same regular bull i see on a daily basis
06:29 <luke-jr_> it has some interesting properties
06:29 <dubStep> that aint my problem
06:29 <dubStep> i aint goin on a mission
06:29 <dubStep> or a pilgrimage
06:29 <luke-jr_> two drops of blood from it weigh the same as one
06:29 <luke-jr_> it defys even the laws of math
06:29 <dubStep> lol
06:29 <dubStep> so if it happened once
06:29 <dubStep> how comes it doesnt happen anymore?
06:30 <luke-jr_> dubStep: why should it?
06:30 <luke-jr_> the original Eucharist is still around
06:30 <dubStep> why SHOULDNT it
06:30 <luke-jr_> same reason we have free will
06:30 <dubStep> lol what
06:30 <dubStep> lazinesS?
06:30 <luke-jr_> seeing it makes the belief less relevant
06:30 <dubStep> lol
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06:31 <luke-jr_> if you see it change, that's not trust in God to do what He said
06:31 <luke-jr_> that's just observation that He did
06:31 <dubStep> seeing is what makes belief, faith is not a requisite of belief only stupidity
06:31 <dubStep> why believ ein somethin u cant see
06:31 <dubStep> or prove
06:31 <luke-jr_> dubStep: in that case, I don't believe you can think
06:31 <luke-jr_> I can't see your thoughts.
06:31 <dubStep> then thats your belief
06:31 <luke-jr_> proof doesn't require visuals
06:31 <dubStep> and i respect it
06:31 <dubStep> xD
06:31 <dubStep> idc though
06:32 <dubStep> i cant understand your belief in something that seems so UNbelivable
06:32 <dubStep> thats also
06:32 <dubStep> MY choice
06:33 <dubStep> proof requires proof. visuals is the best way to prove something
06:33 <dubStep> and it also makes the most sense
06:33 <luke-jr_> dubStep: you smoke weed
06:33 <dubStep> faith is not proof
06:33 <luke-jr_> you should know visuals don't prove anything
06:33 <dubStep> but a state of mind
06:33 <luke-jr_> eyes can be deceived
06:33 <dubStep> ono gom sai
06:33 <luke-jr_> use your head
06:33 <luke-jr_> that's where the real proof works
06:34 <dubStep> i didnt say God wasnt real
06:34 <dubStep> not once
06:34 <dubStep> i said i dont believe
06:34 <dubStep> doesnt mean my opinion or disbelief is paramount
06:34 <luke-jr_> dubStep: if you get a good (above par) grasp on logic, you can understand St. Anselm's proof
06:35 <luke-jr_> dubStep: it proves God's existence using ONLY logic
06:35 <dubStep> proof is not about logic
06:35 <luke-jr_> …
06:35 <dubStep> proof is about somehting being PROVEN to exist
06:35 <luke-jr_> without logic, there is no such thing as proof
06:35 <dubStep> darwins logic is that we evolved form apes
06:35 <dubStep> does that make it proof?
06:35 <luke-jr_> that isn't logic, it's BS
06:35 <dubStep> its HIS logic
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06:36 <luke-jr_> dubStep: you need to look up the definition of logic
06:36 <dubStep> lol
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06:36 <dubStep> what
06:36 <dubStep> so if it cant be proven its not logic?
06:36 <luke-jr_> 1 a: the cogency of evidence that compels acceptance by the mind of a truth or a fact b: the process or an instance of establishing the validity of a statement especially by derivation from other statements in accordance with principles of reasoning
06:36 <dubStep> then the existance or belief in God is not logic either
06:36 <luke-jr_> the existence of God can be proven with only logic
06:37 <dubStep> whos logic?
06:37 <luke-jr_> logic is not subjective
06:37 <dubStep> then u cant say darwin's theory isnt logical
06:37 <dubStep> its cant be proven
06:37 <dubStep> cant be disproven
06:38 <dubStep> it came form somewhere
06:38 <luke-jr_> sigh
06:38 <luke-jr_> you fail class
06:38 <dubStep> the similarity in the genetic make up of humans and apes
06:38 <dubStep> thats logical
06:38 <luke-jr_> you clearly haven't spent any time as a programmer
06:38 <dubStep> belief in something that cant be seen or proven is illogical
06:38 <dubStep> no i havent lol
06:38 <dubStep> so what
06:38 <luke-jr_> dubStep: God can be proven
06:38 <luke-jr_> that's the point
06:39 <luke-jr_> dubStep: any programmer knows similarities doesn't make two versions of the same thing
06:39 <dubStep> this is not about MY personal belief or disbelief in god
06:39 <dubStep> so?
06:39 <luke-jr_> for example, the "printf" function is in the "genetic make up" of almost every program
06:39 <dubStep> there might have been different apes back then
06:39 <dubStep> xD
06:39 <luke-jr_> but they are still different programs
06:39 <dubStep> man u should take a load of
06:40 <dubStep> jesus and god got u all fired up over nothing
06:40 <dubStep> im jut one person
06:40 <dubStep> who gives a fuck if i burn in hell ofr all eternity
06:40 <luke-jr_> God does, at least
06:40 <dubStep> lol do you?
06:40 <luke-jr_> it's not my responsibility, but I'd rather you not burn
06:41 <dubStep> lol then 1) you're a shit christian and 2) why are we still talking?
06:41 <dubStep> you're supposed t contribute arent u
06:41 <dubStep> save as many ppl as u can etc
06:41 <luke-jr_> you must have misread something I said
06:41 <luke-jr_> my responsibilities are my wife and children
06:42 <dubStep> hey
06:42 <luke-jr_> my duty otherwise extends to informing people when I can
06:42 <dubStep> we are all "gods children"
06:42 <luke-jr_> dubStep: only Christians are
06:42 <dubStep> lol
06:42 <dubStep> thats bullshit
06:42 <dubStep> god creatd humans
06:42 <luke-jr_> non-Christians are Satan's children
06:42 <dubStep> not christians
06:42 <dubStep> and christianity only happene dafter jesus
06:42 <dubStep> in that case
06:42 <dubStep> jews are gods children
06:42 <luke-jr_> we are talking present-day
06:42 <dubStep> lol
06:43 <luke-jr_> Jews are BC
06:43 <dubStep> no. we are talking humans period
06:43 <luke-jr_> Judaism had validity back then only because of the coming Christianity
06:43 <dubStep> if we are talkin present day wf is up wit all the jews
06:44 <dubStep> theyre gods chosen ppl arent they
06:44 <luke-jr_> dubStep: the difference between a Jew and a Christian is the time in which they lived
06:44 <dubStep> lol bullshit is that the difference
06:45 <dubStep> jews are stll around
06:45 <dubStep> in HUGE numbers
06:45 <luke-jr_> you mean Hebrews perhaps
06:45 <luke-jr_> which is a race
06:45 <dubStep> no i mean JEWS
06:45 <luke-jr_> or maybe the neo-Judaism religion
06:45 <dubStep> followers of judaism
06:45 <luke-jr_> which is based upon rejection of Christ
06:45 <dubStep> rofl
06:45 <luke-jr_> neither are the religion of Judiasm, which was based upon the coming of Christ
06:45 <dubStep> who are you to assume christtianity is supreme over all other relugions
06:45 <dubStep> dude
06:46 <luke-jr_> dubStep: Christianity is the only true religion
06:46 <dubStep> second coming
06:46 <luke-jr_> all others are evil and lead to Hell
06:46 <dubStep> do u know what that means?
06:46 <dubStep> means jesus is comin again
06:46 <dubStep> so the COMING means shit
06:46 <luke-jr_> dubStep: you're playing word games now
06:46 <dubStep> it doesnt define which coming they were talking about
06:46 <luke-jr_> Jesus is coming again, yes, but as a judge, not as a saviour
06:46 <dubStep> so
06:46 <dubStep> hes still coming?
06:47 <luke-jr_> when Jesus comes again, He will be condemning anyone who is not Christian
06:47 <dubStep> lol
06:47 <dubStep> fatalistic attitude
06:47 <luke-jr_> He already came to give us the opportunity to change
06:47 <dubStep> he didn tgive me shit
06:47 <dubStep> he gave the people back then an opportunity
06:47 <luke-jr_> dubStep: He did, you've chosen thus far to ignore it
06:48 <dubStep> u believe in dmeons?
06:48 <luke-jr_> of course
06:48 <dubStep> ite den
06:48 <dubStep> whos to say jesus wasnt a demon
06:48 <dubStep> i heard somewhere
06:48 <dubStep> that satan is gona pretend to be jesus or some shit
06:48 <dubStep> before the real jesus come sback
06:49 <dubStep> how can u be sure the one u read about in the bible is the real deal
06:49 <dubStep> faith?
06:49 <luke-jr_> dubStep: Jesus himself answered that ;)
06:49 <dubStep> what if ur faith is built on someting that isnt real
06:49 <luke-jr_> demons cannot cast out other demons
06:50 <dubStep> how do u know
06:50 <luke-jr_> because that would be division amongst themself
06:50 <dubStep> lol says who
06:50 <dubStep> the bible?
06:50 <luke-jr_> therefore, the power to cast out demons is always from God
06:50 <luke-jr_> dubStep: logic
06:50 <luke-jr_> if you stab yourself in the heart, you've just harmed yourself
06:50 <luke-jr_> no denying that
06:51 <dubStep> so demons arent all interlinked, they come from satan right
06:51 <dubStep> satan created them
06:51 <luke-jr_> dubStep: God created them
06:51 <dubStep> so he can wtf he wants wit em
06:51 <dubStep> do*
06:51 <dubStep> so
06:51 <dubStep> demons cant rebel?
06:51 <luke-jr_> that is all demons do generally
06:51 <dubStep> exactly
06:51 <luke-jr_> if they didn't rebel, they wouldn't be demons
06:51 <dubStep> so whos to say they cant rebel against each other
06:52 <luke-jr_> think about that and maybe you'll figure out why it makes no sense
06:52 <luke-jr_> also keep in mind that demons are outside time and cannot change
06:52 <dubStep> people fight people
06:52 <dubStep> angels have fought angels
06:52 <dubStep> if we are gona assume they exis
06:52 <luke-jr_> dubStep: do people fight people who they agree 100% with?
06:52 <luke-jr_> (non-demon) angels do not fight other (non-demon) angels
06:53 <dubStep> how do u know what a demon agrees with unless u are a demon
06:53 <dubStep> and lucifer wa snot a demon
06:53 <luke-jr_> dubStep: demons are united on disobedience to God
06:53 <dubStep> he was an angel
06:53 <dubStep> he fought with god
06:53 <dubStep> did he not
06:53 <luke-jr_> demons are simply angels who disobey God
06:53 <dubStep> so satan is just a bad ass demon then
06:54 <dubStep> who gave himself power over all the rest
06:54 <luke-jr_> Satan was the most powerful angel created
06:54 <dubStep> yea i know
06:54 <luke-jr_> it is inherent in his nature
06:54 <luke-jr_> he doesn't need "power" over the rest
06:54 <luke-jr_> the rest are in 100% agreement with him
06:54 <dubStep> now dont get me wrong
06:54 <dubStep> im not a satanist
06:55 <luke-jr_> unlike humans, angels are not confused
06:55 <luke-jr_> angels know with absolute certainty what is right and what is wrong
06:55 <dubStep> coz u cant believe in one without the other
06:55 <dubStep> but how do u know satan isnt right
06:55 <dubStep> dont give me a round about answer
06:55 <dubStep> just gimme an answer
06:55 <luke-jr_> dubStep: if Satan is right, then logic itself is corrupt, and there is no such thing as truth
06:55 <dubStep> yea
06:55 <luke-jr_> dubStep: in which case, any attempts to discern truth are inherently doomed to failure
06:56 <dubStep> so there is still a chance that he COULD be right
06:56 <luke-jr_> there is hope only in siding with God
06:56 <luke-jr_> dubStep: if Satan is "right", then there is no such thing as right
06:56 <dubStep> lol thats not the point
06:56 <dubStep> the point is that there is a chance
06:56 <dubStep> even if its miniscule
06:56 <luke-jr_> dubStep: nothing worth discussing
06:56 <dubStep> theres a chance
06:57 <luke-jr_> if God is a liar, then we are screwed
06:57 <luke-jr_> end of topic, nothing moer to discuss
06:57 <dubStep> then maybe we're screwed
06:57 <luke-jr_> the only thing worth thinking of is that God is not a lair
06:57 <luke-jr_> liar*
06:57 <luke-jr_> dubStep: if we're screwed, then thinking so doesn't help us either
06:58 <dubStep> im not talking about thinking hes not a liar im saying that he could be, just like satan coul dbe a liar
06:58 <luke-jr_> we can only assume we are not screwed
06:58 <dubStep> im just trying to say that
06:58 <dubStep> hacing faith
06:58 <dubStep> having*
06:58 <dubStep> is what most christians rely on
06:58 <dubStep> but for most human beings
06:58 <dubStep> that is not enough
06:59 <luke-jr_> well, most human beings spend eternity suffering in Hell
06:59 <luke-jr_> I don't intend to join them.
06:59 <dubStep> lol most human beings spend their life suffering in hell
06:59 <dubStep> including christians
07:00 <dubStep> ppl who are fucked in life and have nothing who think the afterlife is gona be so much better
07:00 <dubStep> life is hell
07:00 <dubStep> forget about the afterlife for now
07:00 <dubStep> life for alot of people is shit
07:00 <luke-jr_> life sucks
07:00 <luke-jr_> it's supposed to
07:00 <dubStep> no shit.
07:02 <dubStep> heres what i dont understand
07:03 <dubStep> if god is supreme and loves us
07:03 <dubStep> why would he let a lil fucktard like satan fuck it all up
07:03 <luke-jr_> free will
07:03 <luke-jr_> if Satan didn't have a choice, his obedience and love would be meaningless
07:05 <dubStep> but stopping satans mess doesnt need to remove his choice to do so
07:06 <dubStep> it just means the humans arent pawns in their lil game
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07:06 <dubStep> why make us question his existance
07:07 <dubStep> if notr for insecurity
07:07 <dubStep> to prove we "love" him
07:07 <dubStep> god isnt supposed to be insecure
07:07 <dubStep> thats satans job
07:14 <joda_bot> dubStep: uh, difficult topic :-)
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07:45 <dubStep> .tea
07:45 <tronner> dubStep: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
07:45 <dubStep> .durka
07:45 <tronner> dubStep: .:] Twisted Rats [:. Fortress: Players (7/32): -=}ID< ARiløu, -=}ID< Gazelle, -=}ID< Robo, -=}ID< Sin, -IDt< clover, Teetime, `WwMinxy
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07:58 <dubStep> .durka
07:58 <tronner> dubStep: .:] Twisted Rats [:. Fortress: Players (9/32): -=}ID< ARiløu, -=}ID< Sin, -IDt< clover, .:] W33D, DDMJ (DDMJ@forums), Jesus Christ, `Ww Loveless, `WwMinxy, `WwZurd
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10:43 <garisimo> Hayes you inhere???
10:44 <garisimo> hello?
10:44 <garisimo> someone....anyone?
10:44 <pavelo> try saying his name... like this: garisimo
10:44 <garisimo> i did Vanhayes
10:44 <pavelo> you didn't
10:45 <MrBougo> you did Vanhayes?
10:45 <garisimo> lol
10:45 <garisimo> sorry guys this is my first time using this shit
10:45 <MrBougo> :D
10:45 <pavelo> well.... maybe you did, who am i to know
10:45 <garisimo> i said:  "Hayes
10:45 <garisimo> lol
10:46 <garisimo> anyone want to join my fort team for the ladle?
10:46 <pavelo> yes but, when you say his full name, he might get a notification from his client
10:46 <garisimo> ah....i get it.
10:46 <garisimo> thankey
10:47 <garisimo> now why is everyone in here?  but no one is talkin?
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10:49 <garisimo> :P
10:50 <garisimo> Lucifer_arma are you there?
10:50 <garisimo> Pavelo i have a question for you
10:51 <MrBougo> garisimo, that's IRC, people stay here for a long time, but don't always talk :)
10:51 <pavelo> go ahead
10:51 <garisimo> OK thanks.
10:51 <garisimo> Pavelo is this where we come on Sunday for the ladle??
10:51 <garisimo> Pavelo i am a team cpt. but (as you can clearly see) i am not good at this
10:52 <garisimo> so i wanted to figure it out before Sunday
10:52 <pavelo> its #armagetron.tourneys probly, but i see you're already there
10:53 <garisimo> Yes but no one was responding...so i didn't know if it is this one or that one.
10:53 <garisimo> ok now i know
10:53 <garisimo> thanks pal
10:54 <garisimo> OK i am outta here!
10:54 <garisimo> thanks again for your help
10:54 <pavelo> np
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14:30 <Vanhayes> .ping
14:30 <tronner> pong
14:30 <Vanhayes> .tea
14:30 <tronner> Vanhayes: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
14:31 <Vanhayes> .coffee
14:31 <Vanhayes> ill have to make my own then
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18:09 <dubStep> .tea
18:09 <tronner> dubStep: Fortress Café: Players (5/32): Arks, hype, YDdraigGoch, ~|DS|~AshitakA, ~|DS|~zion
18:10 <dubStep> .durka
18:10 <tronner> dubStep: .:] Twisted Rats [:. Fortress: Players (5/32): -=VcL.Nitrous, -=}ID< PreStige, Chemical Coma, Jenga, _-\'Ww_:Vesper
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18:31 <dubStep> .ping
18:31 <tronner> pong
18:31 <dubStep> xD
18:31 <dubStep> ]ping
18:31 <ljrbot> pong
18:31 <dubStep> xD
18:59 <dubStep> .tea
18:59 <tronner> dubStep: Fortress Café: Players (11/32): -»|a, -»|Gaspard, alf, ¦×¦ Hoax, FOFo, hype, Johnny B. Goode, Pez, prµ|Ro0Zz3r, ~|DS|~G5, ~|DS|~zion
18:59 <dubStep> .durka
19:00 <tronner> dubStep: .:] Twisted Rats [:. Fortress: Players (0/32):
19:03 <guru3> "When everybody is somebody, then nobody is anybody."
19:17 <dubStep> nice quote, where's it from?
19:19 <guru3> damn, what was the guy's name
19:19 <guru3> sullivan
19:19 <guru3> in reference to one of his operas
19:19 <guru3> gibretti i think
19:19 <guru3> something like that
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19:58 <BamBam> .tea
19:58 <tronner> BamBam: Fortress Café: Players (6/32): -»|a, alf, Kongo Style, lramirez, s¡th¥, YDdraigGoch
19:58 <BamBam> .durka
19:58 <tronner> BamBam: .:] Twisted Rats [:. Fortress: Players (0/32):
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20:26 <nsh22> luke-jr_: you there?
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21:23 <madmax> .tea
21:23 <tronner> madmax: Fortress Café: Players (10/32): -»|H, CtxWoned, Flex, free kill (dlh@generalconsumption.org), full.freq, Kongo Style, Rowlf, Stl Blues2, `WwRudycantfail, ~|DS|~zion
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22:32 <dlh> #ping
22:32 <armabot> pong
22:41 <Flex> #hello
22:41 <armabot> Hello Flex :) Quote #31: "<Fonkay> #eliza you are stupid <armabot> Fonkay: Why do you say i are stupid?" (added by Vanhayes at 01:05 AM, November 02, 2006)
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22:50 <akira_arma> .tea
22:50 <tronner> akira_arma: Fortress Café: Players (6/32): ->>kbblak, Alfa, BlindMan, Sl33py, ~|DS|~AshitakA, ~|DS|~zion (zion@forums)
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23:16 <G5> .ping
23:16 <tronner> pong
23:16 <G5> ok
23:17 <ct|kyle> zomg armabot is back
23:17 <ct|kyle> #ping
23:17 <armabot> pong
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23:50 <Vanhayes> armabot !
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