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Log from 2009-04-09:
--- Day changed Thu Apr 09 2009
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00:09 <ivantis> .
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00:09 <ivantis> Ratchet--, what is it this time?
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00:11 <Vanhayes__> .tea
00:12 <tronner> Vanhayes__: Fortress Café: Players (14/32): &&&&&&&&&&&&&, \'rope, .:] JJBean, Corn, ct¤$ø1 (sol@forums), DDMJ, madmax, Radian, sine.wav, Títânôbòa, viper, Your_mom, Zombie Jesus, ~|DS|~ Judders
00:12 <luke-jr> ……..
00:16 <Vanhayes__> what?
00:17 <Vanhayes__> luke-jr, what?
00:17 <luke-jr> [16:42:27] <Ratchet--> i had to get a sledge hammer to my lovely router :0
00:18 <Vanhayes__> if it works, it works
00:18 <luke-jr> my router doesn't work
00:18 <luke-jr> I found that the wifi driver uses 99% CPU :<
00:19 <Ratchet--> luke-jr:
00:19 <Ratchet--> how might i go about starting my server
00:19 <Ratchet--> i got the thing installed and all
00:19 <Ratchet--> but its not juicing up on master list
00:19 <Ratchet--> i put talk_to_master 1
00:19 <Ratchet--> server_port 4534
00:19 <Vanhayes__> this belkin wireless used alot f CPU and didnt stay connected, the windows default actually works better
00:19 <Ratchet--> and server_name blah blah
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00:20 <luke-jr> Vanhayes__: wtf?
00:20 <luke-jr> Ratchet--: probably putting the configs the wrong place
00:20 <Vanhayes__> if it works, it works
00:20 <Ratchet--> etc/games/
00:20 <Ratchet--> O.o
00:21 <luke-jr> Vanhayes__: you have a router that runs Windows?
00:21 <Vanhayes__> no, im talking about something else
00:21 <luke-jr> …
00:22 <ivantis> Ratchet--, did you restart the [tron-]server?
00:22 <ivantis> You need to restart it for the settings to update
00:24 <luke-jr> …
00:24 <luke-jr> please tell me that isn't his problem for realz
00:25 <ivantis> Ratchet--, the config files go in ~/etc/games/armagetronad
00:25 <ivantis> (~ means your home dir)
00:26 <ivantis> Is he ignoring me?
00:26 <ivantis> ]echo Ratchet--: ping
00:26 <ljrbot> Ratchet--: ping
00:27 <Vanhayes__> ] ping
00:27 <ljrbot> pong
00:29 <ivantis> luke-jr, aren't you working on ljrbot? Make it so that when someone tries to echo <aNick>(,|:).* it rejects it and says "Noob, don't try and use me to ignore evade!"
00:30 <luke-jr> ivantis: I have ]admin ignore for that
00:31 <luke-jr> ivantis: I'm letting you slide this time cuz Ratchet-- isn't ignorign you
00:38 <Vanhayes__> ]echo luke-jr
00:38 <ljrbot> luke-jr
00:40 <Vanhayes__> .ping
00:40 <tronner> pong
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05:03 <Ratchet--> back
05:03 <Ratchet--> no i wasn't ignoring i was away
05:03 <Ratchet--> O.o
05:04 <Ratchet--> luke-jr: that probably /is/ my problem, i dont know sheeot about this
05:06 <Ratchet--> how do i restart the [tron-] server O.o
05:06 <Ratchet--> ivantis: luke-jr
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05:06 <Ratchet--> that works :d
05:10 <Ratchet--> anyone with vps, how do i start the [tron-] server -.-
05:10 <Ratchet--> or know-how of vps
05:13 <Ratchet--> ping luke-jr
05:13 <Ratchet--> .ping
05:13 <tronner> pong
05:14 <Ratchet--> ]echo luke-jr ping
05:14 <ljrbot> luke-jr ping
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05:14 <Ratchet--> hello
05:14 <Ratchet--> how do i start [tron-] O.O
05:14 <luke-jr> Ratchet--: you're not paying for management/support, plz don't ping me like that -.-
05:14  * Ratchet-- is nuub
05:14 <Ratchet--> come on
05:15 <Ratchet--> its a simple question jeez
05:15 <Ratchet--> you're getting paid regardless
05:15  * Ratchet-- will ping you again
05:17 <Ratchet--> ping luke-jr
05:18 <luke-jr> repeated pinging me over and over will only get you on the ignore list
05:18 <luke-jr> next time try pinging once
05:18 <Ratchet--> i dont like pinging people either, but its obviously a simple matter
05:18 <Ratchet--> why can't you answer me -.-
05:19 <luke-jr> principle
05:19 <Ratchet--> principle..?
05:20 <luke-jr> http://tinyurl.com/ct26j5
05:20 <Ratchet--> rofl
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05:28 <ivantis> ]later tell Ratchet-- type ~/bin/armagetronad-dedicated
05:28 <ljrbot> ivantis: The operation succeeded.
05:28 <ivantis> ]later tell Ratchet-- I feel like I told you that before
05:28 <ljrbot> ivantis: The operation succeeded.
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06:26 <ivantis> What's epsy doing up so late?
06:27 <ivantis> It's past your bed-time!
06:27 <luke-jr> VIKI sez it's ivantis's bed time
06:27 <ivantis> Who's VIKI?
06:28 <ivantis> And it is my bedtime
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07:03 <epsy> :)
07:03 <luke-jr> epsy: you got it?
07:06 <epsy> got what?
07:06 <luke-jr> [23:27:21] <luke-jr> VIKI sez it's ivantis's bed time
07:06 <luke-jr> I'm not certain he understood that as "go to bed or die" ☺
07:06 <epsy> ah VIKI..it was in some film
07:07 <epsy> ah yeah
07:07 <epsy> hahah
07:07 <epsy> something with a big corp and domestic robots
07:07 <epsy> right?
07:07 <luke-jr> …
07:07 <luke-jr> yes
07:07 <luke-jr> the movie is called "I, Robot"
07:08 <epsy> indeed
07:08 <luke-jr> kindof hybrid of Asimov, Star Wars, and I already forget the third
07:08 <epsy> heh
07:09 <luke-jr> the biggest suck of the movie was its turning the Zeroth Law into a bad thing
07:12 <epsy> well there would be no film otherwise
07:12 <luke-jr> Asimov did plenty without makign the Zeroth Law evil
07:16 <luke-jr> I suppose the movie had *some* parallel to Caves of Steel
07:16 <luke-jr> though not too much as to prevent a movie of the latter from being made
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07:41 <epsy> bye
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12:59 <Durka-iPod_Touch> Test
13:01 <Durka-iPod_Touch> Anyone home?
13:02 <Durka-iPod_Touch> .tea
13:02 <tronner> Durka-iPod_Touch: Fortress Café: Players (3/32): Ãi.bot, pruWord, theroze
13:02 <Durka-iPod_Touch> Gnight
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17:05 <PinkTomato> #echo
17:07 <PinkTomato> ]later tell luke-jr Regards to Lightfoot: "*** Subject to certain conditions" what might they be? :).
17:07 <ljrbot> PinkTomato: The operation succeeded.
17:07 <PinkTomato> ljrbot: thanks :)
17:07 <ljrbot> PinkTomato: Error: "thanks" is not a valid command.
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17:52 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: depends on where you see it O.o
17:53 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: for the Europe Based hosting on VPS page
17:53 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: i c
17:53 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: in that case it mainly means "this is more complicated, talk to me" ☺
17:53 <PinkTomato> ah, hehe :)
17:54 <luke-jr> mainly cuz it'd be the first Europe VPS, so there's a bit more interaction
17:55 <PinkTomato> Isn't compguygene with you though?
17:55 <luke-jr> not in Europe
17:56 <PinkTomato> oh right
17:57 <PinkTomato> Where is the Europe one?
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18:09 <guru3> banzai
18:09 <guru3> lackarma2 isn't the only theme with huge font probmes
18:09 <guru3> *problems
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18:18 <Lackadaisical> 1em is just huge because it's set to 16px by default
18:18 <guru3> yeah :/
18:18 <Lackadaisical> 16px sans serif just looks huge
18:22  * guru3 is going through and deleting inactive accounts
18:22 <guru3> it's going to make a huge dent in # of members
18:23 <guru3> or is it Oo
18:24 <guru3> well anyway, that's enough crazy clicking for now
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18:29 <Lackadaisical> tbh i don't see how people can use 12px as their default text because there's so many sites out there who use a percentage of 1em which makes  it too small to read
18:30 <Lackadaisical> but yeah.. i think you'll have to decide whether you wan't good practice or catering to all the people who use the default settings but are not used to actually seeing 1em text
18:31 <guru3> we'll wait and see how many people persistently complain i think
18:31 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: ?
18:31 <luke-jr> Lackadaisical: 1em is not 16px by default
18:31 <luke-jr> Lackadaisical: that is nonsense
18:31 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: sorry :)
18:31 <Lackadaisical> well it is in iexplorer, firefox and opera
18:31 <luke-jr> Lackadaisical: no it isn't
18:32 <Lackadaisical> it is on my system
18:32 <luke-jr> I highly doubt it
18:32 <luke-jr> nobody sets font sizes in pixels
18:32 <luke-jr> nobody sane*
18:32 <luke-jr> Firefox's default appears to be 16pt
18:32 <Lackadaisical> ah yeah sorry
18:33 <Lackadaisical> pt then
18:33 <PinkTomato> most are 16pt default, I think Konqueror is smaller,
18:33 <Lackadaisical> but still it's huge
18:33 <PinkTomato> Title size :)
18:34 <PinkTomato> I wondered why it the font was big
18:34 <Lackadaisical> firefox defintely says 'pixels' anyway
18:34 <Lackadaisical> want a ss?
18:34 <PinkTomato> The problem with saying, well you should change yr defaults, is that it will screw up all the sites that assume your defaults.
18:35 <PinkTomato> wouldn't you say :/?
18:35 <luke-jr> Opera defaults to 16pt as well
18:35 <luke-jr> 16pt is a reasonable size
18:35 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: no
18:35 <Lackadaisical> yeah but body text is just supposed to be 1em
18:35 <luke-jr> Lackadaisical: my Firefox just says "16"
18:36 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: no?
18:36 <luke-jr> Lackadaisical: 1em = font size
18:36 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: no, I wouldn't say it screws up sites period
18:36 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: at worst, it exposes already broken sites
18:36 <Lackadaisical> did you press advanced?
18:36 <luke-jr> but no sites I'm aware of are that broken
18:36 <luke-jr> Lackadaisical: yes
18:36 <Lackadaisical> maybe its a bad translation then.. i got it in dutch, but ill show you the screenshot
18:37 <PinkTomato> hmm
18:38 <guru3> we have armathentication off of the forums again
18:39 <PinkTomato> guru3: it was working earlier?
18:39 <Lackadaisical> http://kingsofthegrid.net/images/fontsize_firefox.png
18:39 <guru3> it was using the old database
18:39 <guru3> now it's hooked up to the new one
18:39 <guru3> so everyone will need to re-login
18:39 <guru3> oops!
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18:39 <luke-jr> Lackadaisical: English just says "Size:"
18:42 <Lackadaisical> ok well it doesn't matter that much anyway to the decision tank has to make
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18:47 <Lackadaisical> guru3: did you enable letting people choose their skin? cause I can't find the setting
18:48 <PinkTomato> Do you use px in web design rather than pt?
18:52 <luke-jr> web design should be in em and % ☺
18:52 <Lackadaisical> well i use px for small margins/borders
18:53 <Lackadaisical> mostly just for 1px borders
18:53 <luke-jr> ok, I admit I use 1px as a "minimum possible size"
18:53 <PinkTomato> Just wondering why this firefox toolbar gives the sizes in px
18:53 <luke-jr> yeah, borders
18:53 <PinkTomato> is em the same as % ?
18:53 <luke-jr> no
18:53 <luke-jr> 1em is the font size
18:54 <luke-jr> % is percentage
18:54 <luke-jr> so for font-size, 1em is 100%
18:54 <luke-jr> but for margin-top, they can be quite different ;)
18:54 <PinkTomato> web design is a pain ... :)
18:54 <luke-jr> left: 10%; puts it 10% from the left
18:55 <PinkTomato> That annyoys me though :)
18:55 <luke-jr> …
18:55 <PinkTomato> I prefer to be lazy and do it the absolute way
18:55 <Lackadaisical> guru3: any idea where the style from the wiki comes from that's inside the page (not linked through a css file)
18:55 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: there is no absolute way
18:55 <luke-jr> well, depends I suppose ☺
18:56 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: I can't spell or know the correct terms :), generall I design for 800 wide or 1024 wide :)
18:56 <luke-jr> guess there are some cases where you want a menu or such to be exactly 20em
18:56 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: that is a bug
18:56 <PinkTomato> Hmm, it is annyoying though, lots of people have widescreen monitors now
18:57 <PinkTomato> and they always maximise the window, and the text goes on and on and on before the new line
18:58 <Lackadaisical> yeah i think you should use max-width so you wont get more than 60charachters on one line, but some people don't disagree
18:58 <Lackadaisical> -don't
18:58 <Lackadaisical> they just disagree
18:59 <PinkTomato> I'll have to look into that function, I don't think you can design for both widescreen and 4:3, so you should make compromises like that
19:00 <Lackadaisical> it kinda boils down if you want to let the user do whatever they want or if you want to dictate them on how your website is going to be displayed
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19:07 <guru3> Lackadaisical: oops, no, i didn't enable that, will do, and no idea about the wiki stuff
19:08 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: webpages are supposed to be fluid, not PDFs
19:09 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: for all you know, it's being displayed on a braille reader
19:09 <luke-jr> or read over the phone
19:10 <PinkTomato> there is that to it, but it needs to be comfortable to read too
19:11 <PinkTomato> I know my way is not a solution, and it is bad and traditional practice
19:11 <luke-jr> it is if you design it right
19:11 <luke-jr> no, px are not "traditional practice"
19:11 <luke-jr> px are only common practice for bad designers
19:12 <PinkTomato> I am not a good designer, I know that, never had to do a proper production website :)
19:13 <PinkTomato> Hmm, I guess traditional was the wrong word to use.
19:13 <luke-jr> I'm good at implementation, just not the conceptual.
19:13 <PinkTomato> At least, I refuse to use tables as layout :)
19:13 <luke-jr> eg, what looks nice
19:13 <luke-jr> see my site ☺
19:14 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: tables are better than px ☺
19:16 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: I think your site is clear though :), I don't think it really needs to be excessively attractive, when quite a few of your customers are looking for a box that you interact with only in text.
19:18 <luke-jr> hum
19:18 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: btw, FAQ misprint: "This includes at least Konqueror, Safari and " Stops there.
19:19 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: that's Google's fault :<
19:19 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: it should say Firefox there
19:19 <PinkTomato> It appears when you copy&paste :S
19:19 <luke-jr> lol?
19:20 <PinkTomato> I was pasting in the chat window, and I had to remove Firefox by hand.
19:21 <luke-jr> wtf
19:21 <luke-jr> Konq isn't respecting xml:base attribute
19:21 <PinkTomato> indeed
19:21 <luke-jr> oh well
19:21 <luke-jr> what's the HTML way to set a base href?
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19:27 <dlh> luke-jr: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/links.html#h-12.4
19:28 <zurd> do you guys know why my user forums account that i've been using for 2yr+ is not logging me into authentication any more?
19:28 <PinkTomato> yes zurd
19:29 <zurd> what happen?
19:29 <PinkTomato> database was updated.
19:29 <dlh> You need to re-login to the forums
19:29 <zurd> yes but, i have been using it for 2-months, and al of a sudden its not workin
19:30 <dlh> http://forums3.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=205991#p205991
19:30 <Lackadaisical> yes but, they just updated the forums
19:31 <zurd> kk gotcha guys, ty
19:32 <zurd> i just loged into my forum, and i tried loging into authentication, but its not workin now
19:32 <zurd> still not...*
19:33 <dlh> Try again?
19:34 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: google discontinued their referral program
19:36 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: Did that break all the websites?
19:36 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: they apparently assumed it was only being used as advertisements, not in line text
19:36 <luke-jr> so they felt it appropriate to just make it a null
19:37 <PinkTomato> oops
19:45 <zurd> still not working, retried 3 times now..
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19:50 <epsy> zurd, did you log out from the forums?
19:51 <zurd> several time, yes
19:51 <zurd> =\
19:51 <epsy> what does it say when you try to log in?
19:52 <PinkTomato> zurd: confirmed
19:52 <PinkTomato> epsy: USER_NOT_FOUND
19:53 <epsy> forum username?
19:53 <dlh> seems to be working for some other users
19:54 <epsy> then you entered the wrong username
19:54 <epsy> it shows precondition failed if you don't relogin
19:54 <PinkTomato> OK it's working now
19:54 <epsy> works fine here
19:55 <zurd> lemme retry user name then
19:55 <PinkTomato> It was probably me being silly
19:56 <zurd> wow...now it worked..
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19:57 <zurd> but i had to try twice =]
19:59 <PinkTomato> OK, last time I got USER_NOT_FOUND was due to case-sensitivity  :)
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20:09 <zurd> yeah, why is it case sensative now?
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20:12 <epsy> better security
20:14 <luke-jr> case sensitive is good
20:14 <luke-jr> but not relevant to security
20:14 <zurd> but the username???
20:14 <luke-jr> of course
20:14 <luke-jr> usernames are always case sensitive
20:14 <zurd> >.<
20:14 <luke-jr> just like files ☺
20:14 <epsy> luke-jr, there can't be password hash prefixes that include the username if the username isn't case sensitive
20:15 <luke-jr> epsy: ah!
20:17 <dlh> Case sensitive is fine, as long as you can't register a username with case slighty modified, like Z-man and z-man. Looks like the forums already disallows this, so it is fine.
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20:38 <Durka> \o
20:40 <epsy> /o
20:41 <zurd> |o
20:45 <epsy> \o
20:46 <Durka> epsy: i found a bug
20:47 <Durka> at least on my mac client
20:47 <Durka> wanna verify it for me?
20:47 <Durka> madmax did but thats mac too...maybe its mac only?
20:47 <Durka> but no i dont think so
20:47 <Durka> its just a color bug
20:47 <Durka> come to fort cafe?
20:47 <epsy> I should be there
20:48 <Durka> k
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21:05 <Lackadaisical> guru3: i think you forgot to enable the imageset for the skin
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21:09 <Durka> does anyone have mumble?
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21:28 <Vanhayes> ugh
21:28 <Vanhayes> .tea
21:28 <tronner> Vanhayes: Fortress Café: Players (9/32): -»|hoop, Aiphaton, damaged, Lockon, sine.wav, stax, Trance, uber_uber_l33t, ~|DS|~AshitakA
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21:52 <guru3> Lackadaisical: armaunified style, lacktanckon template & imageset
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22:19 <Lackadaisical> ah i see i didnt commit the modified imageset.. nvm then
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22:50 <Ratchet--1> hi PinkTomato
22:51 <PinkTomato> Ratchet--1: What's an SCP?
22:52 <Ratchet--1> it's where you log into your VPS using a program that shows the files on it instead of the terminal
22:52 <PinkTomato> right... so FTP
22:52 <PinkTomato> SFTP*
22:52 <epsy> scp ssh cp
22:52 <Ratchet--1> program is called WinSCP
22:53 <epsy> cp is the tool to copy files on POSIX os's
22:53 <epsy> you know what ssh is
22:53 <epsy> scp is cp over ssh :)
22:53 <Ratchet--1> epsy, do you know if when i edit commands on my server does it save on the vps
22:53 <Ratchet--1> or i must edit the files on the vps directly
22:53 <PinkTomato> @aawiki Running Multiple Servers
22:54 <epsy> is the server == the vps?
22:54 <Ratchet--1> no
22:54 <Ratchet--1> the server = tron
22:54 <PinkTomato> the server is now a tron :P?
22:54 <Ratchet--1> when i edit tron servers
22:54 <Ratchet--1> er
22:54 <epsy> the dedicated server does not write any config files
22:54 <Ratchet--1> when i edit commands on tron
22:54 <epsy> if that's what you're asking
22:54 <Ratchet--1> does the server write teh edits on the vps
22:54 <Ratchet--1> yeah that
22:54 <Ratchet--1> k
22:55 <PinkTomato> You'll need to config
22:55 <PinkTomato> .fetch armagetronad.net
22:55 <Ratchet--1> so when i change config, i must put it all into file on the SCP, it won't work if i just do it on the server
22:55 <Ratchet--1> the server == armagetronad dedicated
22:55 <Ratchet--1> always
22:55 <Ratchet--1> vps == vps
22:56 <epsy> the dedicated server, again does not write any config file
22:56 <epsy> it is not excluded one day it would
22:56 <Ratchet--1> ok
22:56 <PinkTomato> ]fetch http://armagetronad.net
22:56 <PinkTomato> It's not just me is it?
22:56 <epsy> grmpf ctrl + l
22:56 <ljrbot> PinkTomato: timed out
22:56 <Ratchet--1> lol
22:56 <Ratchet--1> wtf
22:56 <Ratchet--1> that clears the screen
22:57 <Ratchet--1> o.o
22:57 <epsy> yeah
22:57 <Ratchet--1> how to unclear
22:57 <epsy> it also selects the URL bar in firefox
22:57 <epsy> you con't, and that's the problem
22:57 <epsy> can't *
22:57 <Ratchet--1> -.-
22:57 <epsy> don't do something I prefix with "grmpf" :)
22:57 <Ratchet--1> heh ok
22:58 <epsy> but yeah it happens often to me to try to select URL bar in firefox with control + L then realize I made that in xchat
22:58 <Ratchet--1> arma website is just showing a white screen
22:58 <Ratchet--1> normal?
22:58 <epsy> I know that is so interesting
22:59 <PinkTomato> Ratchet--1: not normal
22:59 <epsy> no planned downtime afaik
22:59 <Ratchet--1> is it just me or?
22:59 <PinkTomato> why would it be normal ?
22:59 <epsy> scroll up a tiny bit
22:59 <epsy> also, it's no blank page, it's just timing out
22:59 <Ratchet--1> i clicked ctrl l
22:59 <Ratchet--1> remember
22:59 <PinkTomato> Logs: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/
22:59 <epsy> otherwise, http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
23:00 <PinkTomato> Oh, I forgot about that website
23:01 <Ratchet--1> lol...
23:01 <Ratchet--1> who wastes money on something like that ? -.-
23:02 <epsy> someone who's being useful
23:02 <epsy> I mean, who the fuck would waste money for some game called armagetron :)
23:02 <PinkTomato> :)
23:02 <Ratchet--1> rofl
23:02 <PinkTomato> Ratchet--1: By wonders of google cache you are saved:
23:02 <Ratchet--1> its a fun game though :P
23:03 <epsy> downforeveryoneorblah is useful
23:03 <epsy> so, that evens out
23:03 <Ratchet--1> interesting
23:03 <PinkTomato> Ratchet--1: ignore the compile stuff that's out of date
23:03 <ivantis> Ratchet--1 is Linux noob-fail
23:03 <epsy> wiki works fine
23:04 <epsy> btw
23:04 <epsy> http://cybernetnews.com/cybersearch/
23:04 <PinkTomato> epsy: the site is back up now :)
23:04 <epsy> I've been using that for months and it's damned fucking useful
23:04 <PinkTomato> so use the current page, as you shouldn't put it in /etc/
23:05 <Ratchet--1> curious..
23:05 <epsy> you know the search in history feature of firefox?
23:05 <ivantis> scp is not something that lists files like Ratchet--1 claims, but cp through ssh as epsy said
23:05 <epsy> when you type in address bar
23:05 <epsy> what this does is extend it to any kind of google search
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23:06 <Ratchet--1> how come the arma server generates a user.cfg file
23:06 <epsy> and you can set different prefixes for different kinds of searches
23:06 <Ratchet--1> O.o
23:06 <Vanhayes> .tea
23:06 <tronner> Vanhayes: Fortress Café: Players (8/32): \'rope, -»|hoop (hoop@forums), fingerbib, guru, kakus, oh! Kay Yo!, |x| RoterBaron (RoterBaron@x/member), ~|DS|~AshitakA
23:06 <epsy> like, aw for searching on the armagetron wiki :)
23:07 <ivantis> Ratchet--1, do you have a server-stats script?
23:07 <Ratchet--1> uh
23:07 <Ratchet--1> not in home/ratchet/
23:08 <ivantis> http://forums3.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=18718&
23:08 <Ratchet--1> ivantis:
23:08 <Ratchet--1> according to wiki
23:08 <ivantis> Ya?
23:08 <Ratchet--1> you installed the servers in slightly different directories
23:08 <Ratchet--1> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Running_Multiple_Servers_on_a_single_Linux_computer
23:09 <Ratchet--1> a bit confused here
23:09 <ivantis> Ratchet--1, dude. That does not change anything
23:09 <Ratchet--1> it says install so and so here
23:09 <ivantis> Want me to reinstall them in directories with better names?
23:09 <Ratchet--1> i'll pass
23:09 <ivantis> Pass? Are you still afraid of me?
23:09 <Ratchet--1> no i jsut dont trust you
23:10 <Ratchet--1> i'll ask pathetique about it later
23:10 <ivantis> What I meant
23:10 <ivantis> Dude, you really do not trust me now?
23:10 <Ratchet--1> nope
23:10 <ivantis> Did I actually do anything bad? Nooo
23:10 <Ratchet--1> so?
23:11 <ivantis> So I help you with something, complete sudo access, I could've wiped your entire server or done some other bad stuff, and you do not trust me now?
23:11 <Ratchet--1> correct
23:12 <ivantis> Why?
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23:12 <Ratchet--1> could've
23:12 <Ratchet--1> i'd rather give you no further opportunities
23:12 <ivantis> Yeah, could've but I did not
23:12 <Ratchet--1> especially with you so desperate
23:12 <ivantis> PLEASE LET ME! I WANT TO! Loljk
23:12 <ivantis> Okay I acutally have other things to do. Why am I here?
23:13  * Ratchet--1 wondesr
23:13 <Ratchet--1> wonders*
23:14 <ivantis> Anyway, you can do it yourself, I would tell you now that I put the bzr branch on there, since you were so impatient you couldn't wait for it to load
23:14 <Ratchet--1> k
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23:15 <ivantis> Now, log in through ssh
23:15 <ivantis> Logged in?
23:16 <PinkTomato> mv {old name} {new name}
23:16 <PinkTomato> done
23:16 <ivantis> PinkTomato, doing that would make some things fail
23:16 <PinkTomato> ivantis: explain
23:16 <ivantis> It's built to know where it is installed
23:17 <ivantis> That's why you need to specify it when running configure
23:17 <PinkTomato> well you can just point the scripts to the compiled location
23:18 <Ratchet--1> ivantis: where all the configs were, I made a directory called server1 and put all the configs in it
23:18 <Ratchet--1> correct?
23:18 <ivantis> Ratchet--1, ignore that wiki page, screen is dumb
23:19 <ivantis> You should do it with multiple server installs
23:19 <Ratchet--1> ...
23:19 <Ratchet--1> epsy and pink tell me follow wiki
23:19 <ivantis> epsy and PinkTomato are liars!
23:19 <PinkTomato> ivantis: that's a waste!
23:20 <Ratchet--1> pin
23:20 <Ratchet--1> pink
23:20 <ivantis> PinkTomato, actually maybe you are right, I guess it wouldn't need to use an absolute path, except for the var folder
23:20 <PinkTomato> that's like saying you should have multiple mv programs
23:20 <Ratchet--1> you made server1-7 folders?
23:20 <PinkTomato> one for each day of the week
23:20 <PinkTomato> :)
23:20 <ivantis> You mean one for each file to move
23:20 <PinkTomato> oh
23:20 <ivantis> But it's not like that
23:20 <PinkTomato> that too
23:20 <ivantis> Heh, that would be DUMB
23:21 <PinkTomato> I use the ct+sty-hoop for some servers and main branch for others
23:21 <ivantis> But I guess you can use that wiki page, if you are wanting to see your servers go down and fail
23:21 <PinkTomato> mine work fine...
23:21 <ivantis> ct+sty-hoop? ct+sty+ivantis is better, obviously
23:21 <PinkTomato> half of them run on the wiki script, half on hoops
23:22 <ivantis> Ratchet--1, well either do that or you can ask me for help, whatever you think would be a better idea
23:22 <Ratchet--1> whats pros and cons?
23:22 <Ratchet--1> or 'your way'
23:22 <Ratchet--1> of*
23:22 <ivantis> None really
23:23 <Ratchet--1> I 'rebooted' the VPS
23:23 <Ratchet--1> how long that take
23:23 <PinkTomato> 40 secs max
23:23 <ivantis> avl c10ud told me the way that I use now
23:23 <ivantis> 40 seconds? Jeez
23:23 <PinkTomato> then again, I have never rebooted my VPS
23:24 <ivantis> sshd is usually one of the first things to start
23:24 <PinkTomato> ivantis: Ratchet--1 didn't ask how long till they could re-enter the server,
23:24 <PinkTomato> and I said 40 seconds [[MAX]]...
23:24 <PinkTomato> :)
23:25 <ivantis> Ratchet--1, did you get the one I installed for you to work, and how many servers do you plan to run?
23:25 <Ratchet--1> 7
23:26 <Ratchet--1> and yes its running atm
23:26 <ivantis> See? Told you I'm smart
23:26 <ivantis> Ratchet--1, do you know what cron is?
23:26 <PinkTomato> ivantis: what are suggesting to use with cron?
23:26 <Ratchet--1> nop
23:27 <PinkTomato> Ratchet--1: akin to Task Scheduler
23:27 <Ratchet--1> o
23:27 <ivantis> You guys notice how if you just run a server, it eventually dissappears from the master list?
23:27 <PinkTomato> umm... it has never happened...
23:27 <dlh> no...
23:27 <ivantis> That's because it times out. In order to keep it on there without needing players to be in there often, you should put it in a cronjob
23:28 <ivantis> Yes, that happens
23:28 <PinkTomato> or DEDICATED_IDLE 24
23:28 <PinkTomato> and a while do loop
23:28 <ivantis> DEDICATED_IDLE doesn't restart the server
23:28 <ivantis> while do loop? That would take so much extra server resources
23:28 <dlh> no...
23:29 <Ratchet--1> interesting
23:29 <ivantis> No?
23:29 <PinkTomato> ivantis: it will only loop round when the execution of the program finishes
23:29 <Ratchet--1> the tron server didn't start up yet
23:30 <PinkTomato> .settings
23:30 <PinkTomato> .arma
23:30 <PinkTomato> .echo
23:30 <tronner> PinkTomato: (echo <text>) -- Returns the arguments given it. Uses our standard substitute on the string(s) given to it; $nick (or $who), $randomNick, $randomInt, $botnick, $channel, $user, $host, $today, $now, and $randomDate are all handled appropriately.
23:30 <ivantis> PinkTomato, oh yeah, I was thinking of a while (1) { check if not started, then start }
23:30 <ivantis> Ratchet--1, didn't start up yet?
23:30 <ivantis> Ratchet--1, ps -e | grep arma
23:30 <Ratchet--1> i rightclicked it and went to execute
23:30 <PinkTomato> ivantis: sounds over-complicated
23:30 <Ratchet--1> that should work O.o
23:31 <ivantis> PinkTomato, it's really simple actually
23:31 <ivantis> I already put it on Ratchet--1's server for him
23:31 <PinkTomato> it might be simple
23:31 <PinkTomato> but it could be simpler
23:32 <ivantis> Ratchet--1, has it still not started?
23:32 <Ratchet--1> im typing it in
23:32 <Ratchet--1> holdon
23:32 <PinkTomato> ivantis: this is how we start arma: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~www-armagetronad-match-dev/armagetronad-match/www-armagetronad-match/annotate/head%3A/server-starter.sh
23:33 <Ratchet--1> typed it
23:33 <Ratchet--1> didnt say anything about it tho
23:33 <ivantis> Ratchet--1, did it output anything?
23:33 <PinkTomato> ivantis: server IP?
23:33 <PinkTomato> Ratchet--1: *
23:34 <Ratchet--1> nop
23:34 <Ratchet--1> i know how path told me to do it
23:34 <Ratchet--1> ./armagetron-dedicated
23:35 <PinkTomato> Ratchet--1: what's the IP of your server?
23:36 <ivantis> Ratchet--1, http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Server_auto_restart
23:36 <Ratchet--1>
23:37 <ivantis> luke-jr, you accept pay-pal? I kind of want to rent a VPS from you
23:37 <Ratchet--1> how do i check mail O.o
23:37 <ivantis> Check mail?
23:37 <PinkTomato> elm/pine
23:37 <Ratchet--1> says i have new mail
23:38 <dlh> mail, mutt
23:38 <ivantis> Ratchet--1, elm, pine, mail, or a variety of other things
23:38 <ivantis> balsa, another kind of wood
23:39 <Ratchet--1> all about cron
23:39 <ivantis> From Cron <root@server-ip>?
23:39 <Ratchet--1> yeh
23:40 <ivantis> That means you got some output from a cronjob
23:40 <Ratchet--1> server-script.pl
23:40 <Ratchet--1> how i leave mail now
23:40 <dlh> q
23:40 <Ratchet--1> i viewed a message and its not letting me leave
23:40 <Ratchet--1> ty
23:41 <PinkTomato> ivantis: that perl script surely must get confused with multiple armagetron's using the same executable?
23:41 <ivantis> PinkTomato, so use a different executable
23:41 <ivantis> cp;rename
23:42 <PinkTomato> ivantis: that's too much management.
23:42 <PinkTomato> I don't want to do that 20 times after an update
23:42 <PinkTomato> it would be easier to see if a screen session is running with the same name
23:43 <PinkTomato> and then assuming the server is running
23:44 <ivantis> Yeah, but I don't like screen
23:44 <ivantis> Ratchet--1, made up your mind about which system to use?
23:44 <PinkTomato> then how do you get into the server?
23:44 <ivantis> ssh..?
23:44 <Ratchet--1> ubuntu..
23:45 <PinkTomato> no into the armagetron server
23:45 <ivantis> Oh the server terminal
23:45 <ivantis> inotail+cat
23:45 <ivantis> Easy, I have a script to do it for me
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23:47 <PinkTomato> hmm
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23:49 <ivantis> Ratchet--1, no I mean system for setting up the multiple [tron-]servers
23:51 <Ratchet--1> i'll ask pathetique on his opinion
23:51 <Ratchet--1> before I decide
23:52 <Ratchet--1> Fairly interesting.
23:52 <Ratchet--1> my server duplicated 4 times
23:52 <Ratchet--1> normal?
23:53 <Ratchet--1> and, I only have it set for one
23:53 <Ratchet--1> Rofl..
23:53 <ivantis> Duplicated?
23:53 <Ratchet--1> yeah, it shows up 4 times on master
23:55 <ivantis> I noticed that sometimes with some servers, maybe it's because you restarted it?
23:55 <Ratchet--1> alot of timez
23:56 <PinkTomato> or it could be you pressed execute four times
23:56 <Ratchet--1> how do I make my name an owner
23:56 <Ratchet--1> by logging into admin_pass i'm only admin
23:56 <Ratchet--1> O.o
23:57 <ivantis> Ratchet--1, you needs auth for that
23:57 <Ratchet--1> i have it
23:57 <ivantis> I feel like I asked you about it when I was setting it up
23:57 <ivantis> The one that I configured? That doesn't have auth
23:57 <Ratchet--1> what do I put in the file to make me owner
23:57 <dlh> If you enabled auth, there will be no admin_pass setting.
23:57 <Ratchet--1> -.-
23:57 <Ratchet--1> i have a auth file
23:57 <Ratchet--1> authentication.cfg
23:57 <Ratchet--1> or something of that name
23:57 <ivantis> Ratchet--1, that doesn't mean anything
23:58 <ivantis> I didn't enable auth for you because you didn't ask. And you need zthreads
23:58 <dlh> You don't need zthread
23:59 <ivantis> If you don't have zthreads, it's really slow though
23:59 <Ratchet--1> ok
23:59 <dlh> RIght, it only can process logins after the end of rounds

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