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Log from 2008-11-05:
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00:31 <teabot> xclanaarepo: beta config for TST 2008.11
00:37 <botvantis> xclanaarepo: a photocopy of ivantis' butt
00:41 <epsy> has ivantis' but been tested or is it still beta?
00:41 <epsy> butt*
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00:42 <ivantis> it has been tested
00:42 <epsy> by fofo?
00:42 <ivantis> nofo
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02:12 <teabot> xclanaarepo: whoops
02:18 <BabyBug> xclanaarepo?
02:22 <epsy> http://xclan.armagetron.co.uk/resource/
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04:11 <epsy> 1337 unread messages at slashdot :o
04:11 <ct|kyle> epsy: so where ate TST settings
04:11 <epsy> who is where? i must slap him!
04:12 <epsy> http://tst.armagetron.co.uk/news/settings-available-for-beta-test/
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04:24 <Lucifer> yay
04:25 <Lucifer> anybody else following the election?
04:25 <Lucifer> GodTodd: ping
04:25 <ct|kyle> i am
04:25 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: tv, or web?
04:25 <ct|kyle> 50/50 north carolina
04:25 <Lucifer> I'm using google's election coverage
04:25 <ct|kyle> web
04:25 <epsy> Lucifer, TV
04:25 <ct|kyle> same
04:25 <Lucifer> holy shit NC is running tight
04:25 <epsy> on foxnews
04:25 <Lucifer> obama's pulling ahead in Virginia and Florida, though :)
04:26 <Lucifer> those two would give him 242 electoral votes with what I see now
04:26 <ct|kyle> In was close
04:26 <Lucifer> still is
04:26 <ct|kyle> now the lead is getting bigger
04:26 <ct|kyle> was at 4K
04:26 <Lucifer> 14k votes with 86% reporting
04:27 <ct|kyle> i still don't know if my vote was counted yet
04:27 <Lucifer> has Gary's precinct(s) reported?
04:27 <ct|kyle> 74%
04:27 <ct|kyle> Lake county
04:27 <Lucifer> the county for Indianapolis isn't colored in in Google's yet
04:28 <Lucifer> nor Hammond
04:28 <epsy> in google's ?
04:28 <Lucifer> there could be substantial votes
04:28 <Lucifer> google, yeah
04:28 <Lucifer> go to news.google.com
04:28 <ct|kyle> nor is allen (mine)
04:28 <Lucifer> election news should be on the right, click it for full coverage
04:29 <ct|kyle> so did you get any curve balls thrown at you today Lucifer
04:29 <Lucifer> nope, divorce happened
04:29 <Lucifer> I'm a single man now
04:29 <Lucifer> got hit on by an 18yo at work, too
04:29 <epsy> skynews gives whole south to mccain already
04:29 <Lucifer> was pretty annoying, actually, heh
04:29 <Lucifer> Google hasn't
04:29 <epsy> (except florida)
04:30 <Lucifer> I imagine google's using some sort of algorithm to award states
04:30 <ct|kyle> county's are by if it is 100% reported or not
04:30 <epsy> yeah, what else would you expect from them :P
04:30 <Lucifer> haha, Obama's winning in travis county :)
04:30 <Lucifer> wow, obama didn't do too bad in Williamson County (my county)
04:31 <Lucifer> awww, McCain's winning in my parents' county
04:32 <Lucifer> wow, 2k vote difference in NC with 78% reporting
04:32 <ct|kyle> ya
04:32 <ct|kyle> that is < the number of votes barr got
04:33 <Lucifer> #math 18+55
04:33 <Lucifer> #math calc 18+25
04:33 <armabot> Lucifer: 43
04:33 <Lucifer> #math calc 270-202-43
04:33 <armabot> Lucifer: 25
04:34 <Lucifer> obama needs to find 25 electoral votes in the east still, mostly
04:34 <Lucifer> hmmm, how much is HI?
04:34 <Lucifer> 4, ok, obama needs 21
04:34 <Lucifer> any guesses on where he's going to get it?
04:34 <Lucifer> Florida can give it to him, and he's winning there
04:34 <epsy> http://myfairelection.com/
04:35 <ct|kyle> NC
04:35 <ct|kyle> i think he will get that
04:37 <Lucifer> VA + IN will give him the win, too
04:37 <Lucifer> I'm counting WA, OR, CA, and HI as obama's already
04:37 <Lucifer> those states have been blue for the last 3-4 elections already
04:38 <ct|kyle> no IN to mccain
04:39 <ct|kyle> wow <1K votes in NC
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04:40 <ct|kyle> 331 votes mccain is now winning NC
04:40 <Lucifer> obama's pulling ahead in VA quite a bit
04:40 <Lucifer> I think he'll get it
04:41 <Ttech> What resource are you using?
04:41 <Ttech> TV?
04:41 <Lucifer> #math calc 21-13
04:41 <armabot> Lucifer: 8
04:41 <Lucifer> google news
04:41 <Lucifer> wow, then he just needs 8
04:41 <ct|kyle> http://maps.google.com/help/maps/elections/#2008_election
04:41 <Ttech> Lucifer, Where in Google NEw?s
04:41 <Lucifer> er, for me, in the US (with a US IP address), when I go to news.google.com, I get a link off to the side
04:42 <Lucifer> oh hell
04:42 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o Lucifer] by ChanServ
04:42 <epsy> that thing gets annoying as hell sometimes
04:42 <ct|kyle> wow mccain took a big lead in NC now
04:42 -!- Lucifer changed the topic of #armagetron to: Latest Version: | http://www.armagetronad.net/ | Gentoo? layman -ka armagetron | pastebin: http://rafb.net/paste/ | Logs: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/ | Tournaments: #armagetron.tourneys | US Election coverage: http://maps.google.com/help/maps/elections/index.html#2008_election
04:42 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o Lucifer] by Lucifer
04:43 <epsy> Lucifer, and ivantis' birthday!
04:43 <Lucifer> 11k votes, still less than total Barr votes
04:43 <ct|kyle> ya
04:43 <ct|kyle> and Bob Barrs Birthday tomorrow
04:44 <epsy> that name sounds totally new to us europeans lol
04:44 <ct|kyle> that is because the media shunns it
04:45 <Lucifer> mccain may be running away with NC, but obama's running away with VA
04:45 <Lucifer> he just got NM, too
04:45 <Lucifer> he'll only need 3 more if he gets VA
04:45 <ct|kyle> VA is getting closer
04:46 <Lucifer> obama's running away with montana and colorado, though
04:46 <Lucifer> I though VA was getting farther apart
04:46 <Lucifer> I think obama's won, look at florida :)
04:47 <ct|kyle> that means riots on capitol hill next year
04:50 <epsy> skynews expects obama to finish it on VA & CA
04:52 <Lucifer> hah, they just gave VA to obama on google :)
04:52 <ct|kyle> just was going to say that
04:53 <ct|kyle> IN is withing 5K again
04:53 <ct|kyle> within*
04:53 <Lucifer> yep
04:54 <ct|kyle> i knew my county was slow, but not this slow
04:54 <Lucifer> obama wins if he only gets CA
04:54 <Lucifer> CA is 55 electoral votes
04:54 <Lucifer> although it would kick ass if he hits 270 before CA
04:55 <epsy> heh indeed
04:55 <ct|kyle> i can't wait to gett my sleep redistributed
04:56 <Lucifer> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/11/electoral-map-o.html  <--- Rove's map
04:57 <Lucifer> Rove is right, so far
05:00 <ct|kyle> obama on top of IN now
05:01 <Lucifer> yep
05:01 <Lucifer> by 8k votes
05:01 <ct|kyle> ya
05:01 <epsy> skynews declares obama as winner
05:02 <ct|kyle> my grandpa will be pissed at me if obama wins IN
05:02 <Lucifer> heh
05:03 <ct|kyle> since i "threw my vote away" to barr
05:03 <Lucifer> look, google says he's got 247 electoral votes right now
05:03 <Lucifer> CA is 55
05:03 <Lucifer> it's no longer whether or not he wins, now it's about how much he wins by :)
05:03  * Lucifer voted for Obama
05:04 <ct|kyle> obama should not have even been on your states ballot
05:04 <Lucifer> heh
05:04 <epsy> skynews awaiting for mccain to show up
05:04 <Lucifer> google just gave obama the win
05:04 <ct|kyle> where?
05:04 <Lucifer> they just awarded him the west coast with 0% of precincts reporting in
05:04 <epsy> lol
05:04 <ct|kyle> oh
05:04 <ct|kyle> wow
05:04 <Lucifer> now I'm wondering where they're getting their data
05:05 <epsy> rofl
05:05 <Lucifer> oh, they also gave him florida
05:05 <Lucifer> they must be aggregating news services' statistics, and the news services are using exit polls for those areas so they can declare a winner as early as possible
05:05 <ct|kyle> how can they give washington organ ans CA w/o any votes
05:05 <Lucifer> well, those three are reliably blue states anyway
05:06 <ct|kyle> i gotta stay up till IN is done
05:07 <hoax> woot obama ftw?
05:07 <Lucifer> shit
05:07 <epsy> he was declared winner by most medias in a hurry
05:08 <Lucifer> obama's only winning NC by 2k votes with 93% of the precincts reporting
05:08 <hoax> hes won
05:08 <Lucifer> he was declared winner too soon, methinks, even though I'm pretty sure he's won it
05:09 <luke-jr> yay
05:10 <ct|kyle> yay we got our dictator for life
05:10 <Lucifer> It has been just two generations since the fire hoses of Mississippi, since Rosa Parks was arrested for keeping her seat and Martin Luther King shot for marching.
05:10 <luke-jr> better than 4 more years of Bush
05:11 <ct|kyle> wahts the fire hoses of Mississippi
05:11 <Lucifer> how the police dealt with a civil rights demonstration
05:11 <Lucifer> bunch of black protestors, firehoses
05:11 <Lucifer> many were hurt badly
05:11 <Lucifer> I don't remember the issue they were on about, probably voting rights or something like that
05:11 <ct|kyle> oh ya, never really gave that a name in school
05:12 <ct|kyle> i remember watching the vidios though
05:12 <Lucifer> obama's up by 7k in IN
05:12 <luke-jr> so Luci is for Obama, ct|kyle for McCain
05:12 <luke-jr> who else?
05:12 <Lucifer> what makes you think obama will be dictator for life?
05:12 <ct|kyle> no
05:12 <Lucifer> kyle's for Barr
05:12 <ct|kyle> I am for Barr
05:13 <luke-jr> yeah, well, Barr has no chance
05:13 <luke-jr> never has
05:13 <ct|kyle> he wants to change shit mise as well start there
05:13 <ct|kyle> so i'm still for barr
05:13 <Lucifer> I'll remind you all sorts of bush-haters said he'd be dictator for life
05:14 <Lucifer> the system has survived bush, so far
05:14 <luke-jr> I'm hoping Obama destroys the system ☺
05:14 <ct|kyle> democratic congress the majority of it
05:14 <Lucifer> obama's up by 20k in NC now
05:14 <ct|kyle> with obama + demo congress system = destroyed
05:15 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: will you be joining the riots?
05:15 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: no, I have work to do behind the riots
05:15 <Lucifer> the system survived Clinton + demo congress
05:16 <ct|kyle> clinton was different
05:16 <luke-jr> assuming I can fly home safely
05:16 <ct|kyle> congress was different
05:16 <Lucifer> well, doesn't look liek the dems are going to get the supermajority in the senate they were wanting
05:17 <Lucifer> and let's not forget that democrats range across the country
05:17 <Lucifer> they don't all talk Hillary Clinton's talking points, nor Obama's
05:17 <Lucifer> democrats in TX are surprisingly conservative, for example
05:17 <Lucifer> anyway, the republicans will continue to hold a check on congress's power
05:17 <Lucifer> and I really don't think Obama's going to go nutso anyway
05:18 <ct|kyle> so you want him to tax all your money any tell you what amount of it you can have?
05:18 <Lucifer> oh, mccain's pulled aheae din NC
05:18 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: no, I make less than 250k/year
05:18 <ct|kyle> ...
05:18 <epsy> from poisonned wine?
05:18 <epsy> :)
05:18 <ct|kyle> then you won't have a job
05:18 <Lucifer> in any case, Obama's *proposed* tax plan is still only going to bring taxes *back* up to the plan GHWB psigned
05:19 <ct|kyle> they will all go to china
05:19 <Lucifer> you're using extremely biased predictions to prove obama's loony?
05:19 <Lucifer> extremely biased predictions speak less of obama and more of you :)
05:19 <epsy> btw, five years ago, lehmann brothers predicted amazon would be bankrupt one year then
05:20 <Lucifer> they were
05:20 <Lucifer> amazon filed for bankruptcy protection a few years back, then restructured
05:20 <ct|kyle> how are american's so stupid? they are all fucking blind to what they say, you gotta listen between the words.
05:21 <Lucifer> I've heard that before, but Bush did exactly what he said he'd do
05:21 <Lucifer> and it was bad
05:21 <ct|kyle> actually he did not
05:21 <Lucifer> reuters has given Obama the win
05:21 <Lucifer> yeah, he did.  :)
05:21 <ct|kyle> no he did not
05:21 <Lucifer> he tried to make the tax cuts permanent, and failed
05:21 <Lucifer> he kept waging his crazy-ass war on terror, and pissed everyone off
05:22 <Lucifer> he expanded free trade, and sent all sorts of jobs overseas
05:22 <ct|kyle> look at what bush said in 2000 and see what he did
05:22 <Lucifer> he said he'd do these things in the 04 campaign
05:22 <Lucifer> until 9/11/2001, Bush was doing the things he said in the campaign
05:22 <Lucifer> he was working on immigration, and his plan *theN* was very progressive
05:22 <Lucifer> in 04, he changed his plan because his old plan would have forced much of his base to stay home
05:23 <ct|kyle> 9/11/2001 was to put the american people in great fear for everything so government could get every rite of the citizens from us.
05:23 <Lucifer> oh right, you're one of those whackjob conspiracy guys, aren't you?  ;)
05:24 <Lucifer> what's so wrong with believing that US foreign policy is so godawfully bad that there really are well-organized people wearing turbans that want to bomb our cities?
05:24 <ct|kyle> not really, i don't care who did it, but we do know they knew it was going to happen and did not take action
05:24 <Lucifer> ask anybody here who's not from the US what they think of our foreign policy :)
05:24 <Lucifer> yes they did, but Bush's transition was also really slow
05:24 <luke-jr> Lucifer: lack of reliable evidence on either end
05:25 <Lucifer> that's been credited quite a bit with the problems, because a lot of the positions, particularly positions in the intelligence agencies, were still unfilled when the attacks happened
05:25 <Lucifer> they're addressing the problem this time by giving Obama's transition team lots of help
05:25 <Lucifer> McCain's too, of course
05:25 <Lucifer> so whoever wins now will start working on the transition so they can hit the ground running in January
05:26 <Lucifer> luke-jr: I think there's very good reliable evidence that a) US foreign policy sucks, and b) lots of people in the world want to bomb us, and c) before 9/11, some of them were very well-organized
05:26 <ct|kyle> well there will be 3 classes with obama the poor, the bankers and the  politicians
05:26 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: that's where we were headed with Bush....
05:26 <Lucifer> the middle-class has been shrinking during the last 8 years
05:26 <Lucifer> I know, I was in the middle class!
05:26 <Lucifer> now I'm not
05:26 <Lucifer> guess why?  ;)
05:27 <ct|kyle> well repubs and dems are not different
05:27 <Lucifer> (actualy, there are other reasons, I can't blame bush for my problems)
05:27 <Lucifer> eh?  sure they are
05:27 <Lucifer> but I'm forgetting the clever sentence that describes the difference
05:27 <Lucifer> oh yeah
05:27 <ct|kyle> national debt will keep growing, makeing taxpayers have to pay more
05:27 <Lucifer> republicans are pro-big-business, and democrats are pro-big-government
05:28 <Lucifer> while I think it's somewhat irrational to think the next president can fix *that* situation in a mere four years, I would like to remind you who last balanced the budget and started paying down the debt
05:28 <Lucifer> with a hostile congress, to boot
05:29 <ct|kyle> 1.8K obama in IN now
05:30 <Lucifer> people are firing off fireworks outside, heh
05:30 <ct|kyle> wow
05:30 <ct|kyle> they probably would here, but the state government banned them
05:30 <Lucifer> isn't indiana a republican stronghold?
05:30 <ct|kyle> well made it so the could only be used on certain days
05:31 <ct|kyle> User to be republican for pres and dem for govenor
05:31 <luke-jr> James Germatic won some county in Ohio for pres… wtf is James Germatic?
05:31 <ct|kyle> but that changed 4 years ago when we elected and idiot (that we reelected) to govener
05:32 <Lucifer> hey, Ralph Nader is getting beat by "None of these Candidates" in Nevada
05:32 <ct|kyle> LOL saw that
05:33 <Lucifer> 4.4k in NC
05:33 <luke-jr> Bob Barr doesn't have a single vote in CT
05:33 <Lucifer> McCain's still up
05:34 <Lucifer> GodTodd: ping!  Obama won NM!
05:34 <ct|kyle> bob barr was illegally  not allowed to be on the ballot there
05:34 <Lucifer> even AP is declaring obama the winner now
05:35 <ct|kyle> they misscounted his signatures lost several pages of them and they jude decided they did not have enough time to print new ballots.
05:37 <GodTodd> Lucifer, pong, yeah I saw that
05:37 <GodTodd> bob barr is a twit
05:37 <GodTodd> all of the candidates are twits ;)
05:40 <epsy> good night
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05:41 <ct|kyle> NC obama by 1K
05:46 <Ttech> Prop 8
05:46 <Ttech> >>>
05:47  * GodTodd assured himself 4 years of the right to bitch. ;)
05:48 <Lucifer> that looks like 30k to me
05:48 <Lucifer> hey, I helped elect that twit :)
05:48 <GodTodd> i didn't
05:48 <Lucifer> obama by 6k in IN
05:48 <Lucifer> GodTodd: did you not vote, or did you vote for someone besides obama?
05:48 <ct|kyle> 6300
05:49 <GodTodd> i don't see how a demopublican or a republicrat can tout change...voting either party in gives us the same shit we always get
05:49 <GodTodd> i voted for nader
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05:49 <Lucifer> hey Your_mom_arma (hi there!)
05:49 <Lucifer> well, look on the bright side, eh?
05:49 <Lucifer> I'm divorced today  :)
05:49 <Lucifer> I'm a single man, now!
05:49 <GodTodd> congrats?
05:49 <GodTodd> heh
05:50 <Your_mom_arma> hey
05:50 <ct|kyle> till obama decides to take that away :P (kidding)
05:50 <GodTodd> i think we should legalize gay marriage but make gay divorce illegal
05:50 <GodTodd> :D
05:50 <luke-jr> I didn't vote. Nebraska is always Rep
05:51 <Your_mom_arma> is there anyway to disable fullscreen message of the day?
05:51 <ct|kyle> just like IN is always Repub ,but maybe not this year
05:51 <GodTodd> luke-jr, then you can't bitch for the next 4 years
05:51 <Lucifer> http://news.bostonherald.com/news/politics/2008/view/2008_11_04_Ark__voters_pick_McCain_for_president/srvc=home&position=recent  <--- look at this, then look at the map
05:52 <Lucifer> actually, I believe the only people that can bitch are the ones who don't vote
05:52 <GodTodd> nope
05:52 <Lucifer> er, nvm, for some reason I thought the article said Obama won arkansas
05:52 <Lucifer> yes, that's what I believe :)
05:52 <GodTodd> i disagree :)
05:52 <Lucifer> they're the ones who don't participate in electing anybody, so the government doesn't represent them at all
05:52 <luke-jr> GodTodd: why not?
05:52 <GodTodd> you can vote without voting for anyone, though
05:52 <Lucifer> since the government doesn't truly represent voters anyway, then the people who don't vote are the only ones who are honestly not being represented
05:52 <GodTodd> you can leave it blank
05:53 <Lucifer> therefore, they're the only people who can bitch
05:53 <GodTodd> nope
05:53 <Your_mom_arma> I voted for cynthia mckinney. I'm a 3rd party wierdo now
05:53 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: CT had no ballots to reprint; they don't use paper
05:53 <luke-jr> Cynthia = wtf?
05:53 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: they are required to have backup paper
05:53 <Lucifer> I voted for Barack HUSSEIN Obama
05:53 <Lucifer> I also received my potassium nitrate in the mail today
05:53 <Lucifer> there is absolutely no connection between those two facts, no matter what the right-wing whackos say
05:53 <Your_mom_arma> :D
05:54 <Your_mom_arma> luke-jr: green party -> national healthcare
05:54 <luke-jr> Your_mom_arma: ew
05:54 <Your_mom_arma> ?
05:54 <luke-jr> socialised healthcare is part of the problem, not the solution
05:55 <luke-jr> the solution would be more like banning insurance companies
05:55 <Lucifer> I failed to unseat John Cornyn, though
05:55 <Lucifer> that's a real disappointement to me
05:55 <GodTodd> yeah, i voted noriega
05:55 <Lucifer> the solution has to come from the ground up
05:55 <Lucifer> doctors have to implement the solution and make insurance companies obsolete
05:55 <Lucifer> the insurance lobby is too powerful
05:56 <luke-jr> doctors have no interest in doing so
05:56 <Lucifer> GodTodd: I voted noriega too
05:56 <Lucifer> luke-jr: doctors are largely fed up with insurance companies
05:56 <Lucifer> look at how insurance companies treat doctors :)
05:56 <Lucifer> they're *not* in bed together, they're always fighting
05:56 <Lucifer> doctors do things to save people's lives, or help them get better, and then some asshat in an office second-guesses everything and refuses to pay parts of the bill
05:57 <GodTodd> i can second that
05:57 <luke-jr> doctors do things to poison people
05:57 <Your_mom_arma> !
05:57 <Lucifer> is that really a situation that works for doctors?
05:57 <GodTodd> our doctor is always getting shit from BCBS that says what they'll pay of what he's charged
05:57  * Lucifer quietly notes that doctors saved his dad's life, and he's happy about it
05:57 <luke-jr> drug companies own the education
05:57 <GodTodd> i wish i could do that
05:57 <Lucifer> nad you all know who picks up the tab for the insurance companies don't pay, right?
05:58 <luke-jr> me
05:58 <Lucifer> yep
05:58 <Lucifer> the state, anyway
05:58 <GodTodd> "you charged 20K for that car but i'm only going to pay 3K"
05:58 <Lucifer> comes from tax revenue, ultimately
05:58 <luke-jr> exept I ignore the bills
05:58 <Lucifer> you don't pay your taxes?
05:58 <luke-jr> sure, but I don't pay the hospital bills
05:58 <Lucifer> ahhh, no, see, at least here in texas, the doctors go to the state for the difference
05:58 <Lucifer> or they write it off
05:58 <luke-jr> actually, I don't pay taxes either I think
05:59 <Lucifer> but they usually don't go after the patient
05:59 <luke-jr> pretty sure I get more back than I put in
05:59 <Lucifer> you pay sales tax, right?
05:59 <Lucifer> property taxes, too
05:59 <luke-jr> no property tax where I'm moving ;)
05:59 <Lucifer> those are the two main ways you pay state taxes, although some states of something weird called "income tax"
05:59 <luke-jr> I think
05:59 <ct|kyle> the number 1 goal of people today is to get as much as posible of the governments money
05:59 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: governmnet has no money
06:00 <GodTodd> luke-jr, you moving out of the country?
06:00 <Your_mom_arma> when the government prints money and gives it away like tp, who wouldn't
06:00 <GodTodd> please?
06:00 <GodTodd> :D
06:00 <Lucifer> what I think doctors should do is sell their services as clubs, like health clubs do
06:00 <Lucifer> you pay $20/month, and you can see any doctor in the club at any time
06:00 <luke-jr> GodTodd: not this year
06:00 <Lucifer> get any prescriptions needed, etc.
06:00 <ct|kyle> who can explain this
06:00 <ct|kyle> when congress is in session stock market is up on average 1%, when they are out of session it is up on average 17.5%
06:00 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: where are the downs, then?
06:01 <ct|kyle> Average
06:01 <GodTodd> ct|kyle, because when they're out of session they can't pass laws that devalue the stock
06:01 <Lucifer> obama's up by 8k in IN now
06:01 <ct|kyle> wich means Government is the problem not the solution
06:01 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: depends on what period you're comparing, and when
06:02 <ct|kyle> ya my grandpa is going to be pissed at me
06:02 <Lucifer> if you're comparing it to the recent stock market crashes, try to keep in mind that that was an anomaly
06:02 <Lucifer> obama's pulling away in NC
06:02 <Your_mom_arma> look im all for anarchy or communism(or socialism) but neither works
06:02 <GodTodd> so, obamaites...what's hussein gonna do to change the country?
06:03 <Lucifer> if he just reverse bush's fundamentalist crap, I'll be happy
06:03 <Your_mom_arma> GodTodd -> mccain supporter?
06:03 <GodTodd> Your_mom_arma, wash your mouth
06:03 <Your_mom_arma> yes sir
06:03 <Lucifer> well, our corporatist system doesn't work either
06:03 <GodTodd> i didn't want any of these twits
06:03 <luke-jr> Your_mom_arma: no, neither works, but anarchy is FAR better than the USA
06:04 <ct|kyle> bailing out wall street in not the answer
06:04 <Your_mom_arma> lets just elect some Scandinavians into office, their governments all work well
06:04 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: it is if you're a) a believer in Reaganomics, and b) you expect Obama to break ahead on account of the economy and you need to keep your seat
06:04 <Lucifer> Norway's a monarchy
06:05 <GodTodd> i'm gonna run in 2012
06:05 <Lucifer> so's sweden, now that I think of it
06:05 <GodTodd> i'll be old enough then
06:05 <GodTodd> :)
06:05 <Your_mom_arma> 35 to run for president right?
06:05 <Lucifer> hey, I got hit on today by a girl who just turned 18 in August
06:05 <GodTodd> yep
06:05 <Lucifer> and I use the word "girl" strictly
06:06 <GodTodd> did you hit that?
06:06 <Lucifer> no!
06:06 <GodTodd> :(
06:06 <ct|kyle> boo!
06:06 <Lucifer> look, all other things considered, I think I'm a make 21 a hard lower limit
06:06 <GodTodd> she's legal
06:06 <luke-jr> pedo!
06:06 <Lucifer> actually, the meeting was eerily like the way I met my ex-wife
06:06 <Lucifer> so I was completely turned off by it
06:06 <GodTodd> heh
06:07 <GodTodd> was she hot?
06:07 <Lucifer> yeah, she was
06:07 <Lucifer> not hot like blazing hot, but hot enough to screw
06:08 <Lucifer> probably her most attractive feature was how easy she was behaving
06:08 <GodTodd> maybe she could be a white house intern...we have a dem in office now ;)
06:08 <Lucifer> nah, I got my eyes set on some other girl
06:08 <Lucifer> someone who's hopefully a bit older, heh
06:08 <GodTodd> hopefully?
06:08 <Lucifer> and really hot
06:08 <GodTodd> you don't know?
06:08 <Lucifer> well, I don't actually know how old she is
06:09 <Lucifer> look, as long as I don't do anything really stupid, I'm a shoe-in
06:09 <GodTodd> heh
06:09 <Lucifer> which, sadly, means I'm probably going to strike out, but that's a possibility I'd rather ignore for now
06:10 <Lucifer> she at least looks in the range of 24-30
06:10 <GodTodd> looks can be deceiving
06:10 <Lucifer> yes, they can
06:10 <GodTodd> just start a cult...then age doesn't matter
06:11 <Lucifer> obama's up by 15k now in IN
06:11 <GodTodd> vote counts don't matter anymore
06:11 <GodTodd> hussein won
06:11 <Lucifer> anybody got any links to video fo McCain's "I'm a loser baby" speech?
06:11 <luke-jr> yeah, McCain conceded like an hour ago
06:12 <GodTodd> at least other countries won't hate us quite so much now
06:12 <Your_mom_arma> GodTodd as opposed to Sydney winning?
06:12 <GodTodd> sydney?
06:12 <Your_mom_arma> mccains middle name
06:12 <GodTodd> oh
06:13 <GodTodd> that's a gay middle name
06:13 <luke-jr> lol
06:13 <GodTodd> i just didn't want the stupid bitch so close to the presidency
06:13 <Your_mom_arma> obama's doing his acceptance speech now
06:13 <GodTodd> i'd do her but i wouldn't follow her
06:14 <Your_mom_arma> I don't think anyone would have voted for palin if she was on the top of the ticket
06:14 <GodTodd> nope
06:14 <GodTodd> she's a moron
06:14 <Lucifer> well, if all else fails, look at youtube, right?
06:15 <GodTodd> i think mccain lost based on picking palin
06:15 <luke-jr> Your_mom_arma: youtubed?
06:15 <GodTodd> if he had made a better vp choice he probably would have won
06:15 <Your_mom_arma> ?
06:15 <ct|kyle> i wonder why Georgia has not been given to McCain yet
06:15 <luke-jr> Obama's speech
06:15 <Your_mom_arma> just turn on the tv and change it 2 or 3 channels
06:15 <GodTodd> cbs has GA marked for mccain
06:16 <Your_mom_arma> er, its over
06:16 <luke-jr> Your_mom_arma: what TV?
06:16 <GodTodd> luke-jr, the one you can't afford
06:17 <luke-jr> or don't want
06:17 <Your_mom_arma> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzLZzEfn0-A this may be it, I didn't watch the link
06:17 <GodTodd> or can't afford
06:17 <Your_mom_arma> nope
06:17 <luke-jr> ]youtube
06:17 <ljrbot> http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=MPlayer_youtube_script
06:18 <Your_mom_arma> shrug, wait 20 mins I'm sure someone will upload it
06:20 <GodTodd> man, is biden's mom doable or what?
06:21 <Your_mom_arma> haha
06:24 <GodTodd> i have a question
06:24 <Lucifer> anybody find obama's victory speech yet?
06:24 <GodTodd> how come we can't call obama a white guy?
06:24 <Lucifer> I watched mccain's until the part where he started lying and saying Palin was a good campaigner
06:24 <GodTodd> he's as much white as black
06:24 <Lucifer> GodTodd: same reason we can't call Michael Jackson a black guy
06:25 <GodTodd> if you're half and half can't you be either?
06:25  * Lucifer has been waiting since December to make a michael jackson crack over obama
06:25 <Lucifer> obama's an oreo
06:25 <GodTodd> yep
06:25 <GodTodd> so he's not our first *black* president...he's our first *non-caucasian* president
06:26 <Lucifer> I don't know why google's not giving GA to mccain
06:26 <Lucifer> no, Obama's our first Nestle president
06:26 <GodTodd> if he was half black and half asian would they call him the first black president or the first asian president?
06:27 <Lucifer> hopefully we'll soon be at a time when we won't focus on such trifles
06:27 <Your_mom_arma> Tiger woods for president
06:27 <Lucifer> I just wish they'd called him a dark horse candidate and compared him to Lincoln
06:27 <GodTodd> i only ask because there was a dude on fox that kept talking about how blacks got obama elected
06:28 <GodTodd> and, I'm sorry, but there's *no* candidate that can get 96% support on issues alone
06:29 <Lucifer> hey, I voted for his vacant message because he's black
06:29 <GodTodd> i'm sure a lot of people did
06:29 <Lucifer> I decided he was competent enough to do a good job, but that it was of critical importance for our country to elect a black man asap
06:29 <Lucifer> even an oreo like obama
06:30 <GodTodd> so, you focused on the trifles?
06:30 <GodTodd> ;)
06:30 <Lucifer> also, whatever else can be said of his inexperience, he ran the best damned campaign of this and the last century
06:30 <luke-jr> I didn't care about race until the government forced me to.
06:30 <Lucifer> trifles?  we have deep wounds to heal in this country
06:30 <Lucifer> our xenophobia has sent us to Iraq to murder thousands of innocents, rape, pillage, etc.
06:30 <GodTodd> [23:26] <Lucifer> hopefully we'll soon be at a time when we won't focus on such trifles
06:30 <Lucifer> heh
06:31  * Lucifer points to context clues
06:31 <GodTodd> the context is why we call him strictly a black man
06:31 <GodTodd> that was the trifle
06:32 <Lucifer> only it's not a trifle at the moment, but it shoudl be
06:32 <Lucifer> that's the context :)
06:32 <GodTodd> yes, it should
06:32 <Lucifer> and how do we make it a trifle?
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06:32 <GodTodd> by not electing someone just cuz they're black
06:32 <Lucifer> a little affirmative action has gone a long way, really.  Never hired anybody incompetent, since competence and credentials is part of the policy
06:33 <Lucifer> that's not the only reason I voted for him, I do like his message
06:33 <Lucifer> but let's be real, he hasn't even finished a single term in the Senate :)
06:33 <luke-jr> the gov't hires plenty of incompetent people
06:33 <GodTodd> it's a politician's message
06:33 <GodTodd> they're all the same
06:34 <Lucifer> luke-jr: ok, affirmative action didn't change the playing field in that way, it basically meant that when faced with two equally (in)competent people, meet this quota
06:34 <Lucifer> GodTodd: true dat, but obama isn't the same kind of career politician most of the rest are
06:34 <GodTodd> so, it's okay to not hire someone based on race or sex?
06:34 <Lucifer> depends on the situation entirely
06:34 <GodTodd> not to me
06:34 <GodTodd> make it a trifle
06:35 <Lucifer> personally, in my own hiring practices (when I had to do hiring), I preferred minorities for cultural reasons
06:35 <luke-jr> Lucifer: the problem is black incompetent people tend to take out "revenge" on non-blacks
06:35 <Your_mom_arma> GodTodd: hires prostitutes indiscriminately
06:35 <Your_mom_arma> sorry it had to go there
06:35 <Lucifer> i.e. in my experience, white culture breeds more laziness than minority cultures
06:35 <GodTodd> Your_mom_arma, depends on my mood ;)
06:36 <GodTodd> Lucifer, that's racism, though.  it depends entirely on the person
06:36 <GodTodd> haha
06:36 <GodTodd> al franken has almost won
06:37 <GodTodd> i didn't even know he was running
06:38 <Lucifer> luke-jr: and white incompetent people continue to discriminate against non-whites
06:38 <Lucifer> damn, had to replace my keyboard batteries in the middle of that sentence
06:38 <GodTodd> incompetence knows no race
06:38 <Lucifer> GodTodd: I disagree that it's racist, you have to work with what you know
06:38 <GodTodd> okay, what's racism?
06:38 <Lucifer> I *am* a hard-working white guy, so I know that not all white people are lazy
06:39 <Lucifer> believing that one ethnic group is inherently superior to another
06:39 <luke-jr> Lucifer: yeah, but that doesn't hurt me
06:39 <GodTodd> not hiring a white guy because "white culture is lazy" is no different than someone not hiring a black guy because "blacks are lazy"
06:40 <Lucifer> since our cultures are such a big part of our self-identity, it is impossible to make hiring decisions without considering ethnicity and what culture that may imply
06:40 <Lucifer> [23:35] <Lucifer> i.e. in my experience, white culture breeds more laziness than minority cultures
06:40 <Lucifer> that's "in my experience"
06:40 <GodTodd> and in someone else's experience the same is true for black culture
06:40 <Lucifer> not a generalization of all white culture, just my experience in hiring people
06:41 <Lucifer> I've had far more luck hiring people that are non-white, or at least non-WASP, than any others
06:41 <Lucifer> indeed, my experience with the cultures with which I've had contact is unique to me
06:41 <Lucifer> I also have a preference for ex-cons, ex-drug addicts, etc.
06:41 <Lucifer> people who have really suffered for their choices
06:41 <Lucifer> people who have suffered prejudice
06:41 <GodTodd> right...but depending on the race that's "hurt" by it it's either racist or progressive
06:41 <Lucifer> those are the people I prefer to hire
06:41 <GodTodd> that's what bugs me
06:42 <Lucifer> nah, not if you go with my definition of racist, anyway
06:42 <Lucifer> because I do not believe that any particular race is inherently superior to any other
06:42 <Lucifer> I go for life experiences, and the ones I'm after are more likely to appear in minorities than white people
06:42 <luke-jr> illigals are hard workers cuz they can't arrord to be reported ;)
06:42 <Lucifer> in part because of our prejudiced country :)
06:43 <Lucifer> keeping in mind, of course, that I'm non-WASP as well
06:43 <GodTodd> so...because i'm white i automatically have less...or a better...life experience?
06:43 <Lucifer> and have suffered prejudice for it (you were there for some of it :)  )
06:43 <Lucifer> no, your resume will show me something else
06:43 <GodTodd> howso?
06:43 <luke-jr> illegals*
06:43 <Lucifer> and when I interview you, I'll volunteer personal information about myself and see how you react
06:43 <Lucifer> stuff that I can't ask directly, but I can find out another way
06:44 <Lucifer> resumes that show the sorts of life experiences I want will have fast food on it somewhere, or at least restaurant work :)
06:44 <Lucifer> or I'll find it out in the interview
06:44 <GodTodd> heh
06:44 <GodTodd> i don't put McD's on mine
06:44 <GodTodd> i don't think
06:44 <Lucifer> that's a personal requirement, if you haven't worked in the restaurant business, I will not hire you
06:45  * luke-jr doesn't show McD just because it's usually irrelevant
06:45 <GodTodd> but what if i have but just don't have it on there because the resume needs to be one page and it was a couple decades ago?
06:45 <Lucifer> recent education
06:45 <Lucifer> you're going to be 40 with a BS you got when you were 35-36
06:45 <Lucifer> that'll get my attention
06:45 <Lucifer> not that you'll mention age at all, of course
06:46 <GodTodd> wouldn't matter cuz you don't see McD's on there :P
06:46 <Lucifer> but if you've got enough requirements to get to the interview, I'll see an OLD MAN with a RECENT DEGREE
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06:46 <Lucifer> and then I'll drop the information that I worked at Sonic, and if you bite, you'll probably get hired
06:46 <Lucifer> if you don't, it'll depend on what else you might bite on
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06:46 <GodTodd> yeah...i'd probably bite but that's only because i like to bullshit :)
06:47 <Lucifer> that's a trait I look for when hiring :)
06:47 <GodTodd> course i could always just flash my burn scar
06:47 <Lucifer> which, in my humble experience, is more likely to be found in minorities of all kinds :)
06:47 <GodTodd> heh
06:47 <Lucifer> I also rate previous mechanical experience highly
06:47 <Lucifer> see, I rate experience that matches mine very highly
06:47 <GodTodd> meh...that i don't really have
06:47 <GodTodd> just never really learned
06:47 <Lucifer> and most of my experience as an adult is outside of WASP culture
06:48 <Lucifer> so if you're WASP, don't bother applying to me, I'll filter you out
06:48 <Lucifer> of course, that's the core of xenophobia, come down to it
06:48 <GodTodd> i've done everything from painting schools to fast food to bookkeeping...i'm a white guy who has "life experience" ;)
06:49 <Lucifer> well, I'm a step out and grab a smoke
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06:49 <Lucifer> and some orange juice :)
06:50 <luke-jr> Lucifer: do you give points for carrying a gun?
06:50 <Lucifer> luke-jr: no, I generally subtract points for that
06:50 <Lucifer> I give points for martial arts, though
06:50 <Lucifer> but I subtract points for japanese-loving
06:50 <Lucifer> unless you really are japanese
06:50 <luke-jr> and you livew in Texas? O.o
06:51 <luke-jr> lol
06:52 <luke-jr> I enjoy the large difference between English and asian languages,m more than that of other Latin-based languages
06:52 <luke-jr> Korean especially is interesting
06:52 <Your_mom_arma> http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/black_man_given_nations
06:53 <luke-jr> per-syllable characters comprised of sound sub-characters
06:54 <ct|kyle> #later tell epsy your map filename / settings Fail for TST
06:54 <armabot> ct|kyle: The operation succeeded.
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14:55 <teabot> tstnews: Second beta of the settings
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16:23 <PinkTomato> epsy: For TST settings, TEAM_ALLOW_SHUFFLE_UP, has the function been removed/replaced? It does not exist in my build :S.
16:24 <epsy> indeed
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16:26 <PinkTomato> ah :), thanks :) work's now.
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17:18 <epsy> K-Yo, first black president of the US*
17:19 <K-Yo> epsy, ?
17:20 <epsy> http://crazy-tronners.com/viewtopic.php?t=2534
17:32 <K-Yo> thank epsy :P
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17:54 <StickyNoob> epsy: Bill Clinton?
17:55 <ct|kyle> epsy: we never had one, we got an oreo for 4 ears
17:55 <ct|kyle> years*
17:56 <StickyNoob> ct|kyle: huh?
17:57 <ct|kyle> 1/2 black 1/2 white obama
17:58 <StickyNoob> heh reminds me of Wanda Sykes sketch...every time Tiger Woods wins he gets less black in the media, as soon as he is arrested tho it will be "black golfer goes to jail"
17:59 <ct|kyle> heh ya
18:00 <ct|kyle> or in this case (excuse language) "that N***er F**Ked our Country"
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18:35 <madmax> so Monkey_arma, did you have some tropical holidays or something? :-D
18:40 <akira_arma> hehe
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21:12 <Monkey_arma> madmax i was away yes, not tropical holiday tho
21:12 <Monkey_arma> (i wish)
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21:53 <Lucifer> “Certainly, we have to examine this,” Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, a Texas Republican, said on CNN on Wednesday. “We have to listen to what the people are saying if we’re going to be a forceful voice.”
21:53 <Lucifer> I don't know if I like her anymore
21:59 <BabyBug> @rape epsy
21:59 <teabot> BabyBug: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
21:59 <BabyBug> =(
21:59 <BabyBug> :P
21:59 <epsy> O_o
22:00 <BabyBug> <£
22:00 <BabyBug> fail ><
22:01 <ct|kyle> .slap BabyBug
22:01  * tronner slaps BabyBug around with a vile whistle
22:01  * BabyBug slaps ct|kyle around with epsy's penis
22:02 <epsy> you still have it?
22:02 <BabyBug> :P
22:02 <ct|kyle> epsy: she plays with it every day
22:02 <BabyBug> O.o
22:02 <epsy> she's making a collection O_o
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22:53 <ivantis2> Mirc sucks
22:53 <ivantis> im running it with wine
22:54 <ivantis2> &c COLORFUL!
22:54 <perlbot2> ivantis2: COLORFUL!
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22:54 <PinkTomato> that wasn't very colourful
22:54 <ivantis> this channel is +c, color filtered
22:55 <PinkTomato> ah, why run mirc in wine?
22:55 <PinkTomato> don't you have to pay for it too :/
22:56 <ivantis> no
22:56 <ivantis> i just wanted to test it out
22:56 <PinkTomato> oh :)
22:56 <ivantis> go to #botcompetition and try &c text
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23:23 <ivantis> that was weird
23:23 <ivantis> my computer just like, logged me out
23:24 <BabyBug> If only it was permanent *sigh*
23:27 <noob13> ;D
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23:51 <ivantis> epsy
23:51 <ivantis> whats your email address?
23:51 <ivantis> or anyone
23:51 <ivantis> whats your email?
23:51 <ivantis> im bored
23:51 <ct|kyle> iamboard@gmail.com
23:52 <ivantis> rly?
23:52 <ct|kyle> yarly
23:52 <ivantis> psh
23:52 <ivantis> yarght
23:52 <ct|kyle> truth
23:53 <ct|kyle> ok fine employment74@gmail.com
23:55 <ivantis> rly?
23:57 <ct|kyle> yes
23:59 <K-Yo> ivantis, myemailisthelongestonearth@abcdefghijklmnopqrstuwvxyz.com
23:59 <K-Yo> gn everybody ;)
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