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Log from 2008-10-07:
--- Day changed Tue Oct 07 2008
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02:00 <corewar> ping?
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02:01 <corewar> ahoy... it seems i lost contact to you people
02:51 <corewar> OMG people cant read... what would you expect, if a server is named "First Person View (Cockpit Only)"
02:51 <corewar> and then they are pissed
02:51  * corewar shakes head
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03:34 <hoop> corewar: give it a try
03:34 <hoop> _PITCH 0
03:35 <hoop> _RISE 1
03:35 <hoop> ops... _RISE 0.5
03:35 <hoop> _BACK_FROMSPEED 0
03:35 <hoop> _RISE_FROMSPEED 0
03:36 <hoop> glancing needs to be set too
03:41 <hoop> same values but prepend CAMERA_SERVER_GLANCE_
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03:55 <Goodygumdrops> anybody in here play tron?
03:59 <corewar> yea
04:01 <luke-jr> … tron?
04:01 <luke-jr> or Armagetron?
04:01 <sinewav> sometimes I tape glow-sticks to my nipples and play "tron" in bed with the ladies.
04:03 <Goodygumdrops> yeah, armagetron
04:03 <Goodygumdrops> that's the one
04:05 <hoax> just went to, bout 3 ppl on tho
04:05 <hoop> I've heard of it
04:05 <hoop> .cfg2
04:05 <tronner> hoop: (cfg2 <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "rss http://crazy-tronners.com/armaconfig.php?config=$1".
04:05 <hoop> .cfg2 custom
04:05 <tronner> hoop: CAMERA_CUSTOM_BACK: Position of the custom camera: how much is it moved back from the cycle? || CAMERA_CUSTOM_BACK_FROMSPEED: This value is multiplied with the current speed and added to CAMERA_CUSTOM_BACK. || CAMERA_CUSTOM_PITCH: Position of the custom camera: how much does it look up/down? || CAMERA_CUSTOM_RISE: Position of the custom camera: how much is it moved up from the cycle? || (5 more messages)
04:05 <ct|kyle> hoop: it has armahacktron config
04:06 <ct|kyle> and  .cfg is whatever wrtl has
04:06 <hoop> ok
04:06 <ct|kyle> cfg2 is not up to date i think it is about 10 revisions old
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04:29 <teabot> vectroncommits: [beta2] r42 -Simplified spawn point rendering...
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04:33 <hoop> hola
04:33 <Afrothunder> hi
04:33 <hoop> there you are
04:33 <Afrothunder> lol
04:34 <hoop> xchat is a good client for windows
04:34 <Afrothunder> I would download a client, but I never use irc
04:35 <hoop> so, what's wrong with building
04:35 <Afrothunder> 1 sec, lemme get back into vnc
04:35 <hoop> if you start using irc, you'll need a client, that java thingy kinda sucks imo
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04:36 <ct|kyle> lol
04:36 <sinewav> ha I think it just sucke right now
04:36 <hoop> hehe
04:36 <corewar> on console/shell i use epic
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04:36 <corewar> theres a color extension, too
04:36 <hoop> corewar: windows?
04:36 <Traveler38> lol changed the page by accident
04:37 <corewar> linux console
04:37 <hoop> I use iirsi sometimes
04:37 -!- Traveler38 is now known as Afrothunder
04:38 <hoop> *irssi
04:38 <hoop> I was just about to say: "if you start using irc, you'll need a client, that java thingy kinda sucks imo"
04:38 <Afrothunder> lol I know
04:38 <Afrothunder> ok, I just redownloaded source from bzr
04:39 <Afrothunder> and cd into the directory
04:39 <hoop> which one?
04:39 <Afrothunder> 0.2.8-armagetronad-sty+ct
04:39 <hoop> last revision?
04:39 <Afrothunder> latest
04:40 <Afrothunder> just downloaded now
04:40 <hoop> using bzr?
04:40 <Afrothunder> yes
04:40 <hoop> kk
04:40 <Afrothunder> now i type ./configure
04:40 <Afrothunder> bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
04:40 <ct|kyle> armagetronad-sty+ct is onlt in bzr :P
04:40 <ct|kyle>  ./bootstrap.sh
04:40 <Afrothunder> ok
04:40 <corewar> owner correct?
04:40 <Afrothunder> ?
04:41 <corewar> do you own the files or are they owned by ftp or samba maybe?
04:41 <hoop> Afrothunder: it couldnt run ./configure because there's not that file
04:41 <Afrothunder> Running aclocal...
04:41 <corewar> aah
04:41 <Afrothunder> ./bootstrap.sh: 10: aclocal: not found
04:41 <hoop> get it
04:41 <Afrothunder> rm: cannot remove `aclocal.m4': No such file or directory
04:41 <ct|kyle> #ubuntu
04:41 <ct|kyle> .ubuntu
04:42 <Afrothunder> what about ubuntu?
04:42 <Afrothunder> switch to the ubuntu channel?
04:42 <hoop> $ sudo apt-get install autoconf
04:43 <hoop> no wait
04:43 <Afrothunder> its already installed
04:43 <ct|kyle> no i had armabot tell you everything you needed to build tron by typing #ubuntu
04:43 <hoop> $ sudo apt-get install autotools-dev
04:43 <Afrothunder> ok
04:43 <Afrothunder> i installed it, now what
04:44 <hoop> now back
04:44 <hoop> try bootstrap again
04:44 <Afrothunder> ok
04:44 <Afrothunder> same error
04:45 <Afrothunder> maybe try autoconf? it tried to do something before
04:46 <hoop> $ sudo apt-get install automake
04:46 <Afrothunder> ok
04:46 <Afrothunder> installed. try again?
04:46 <hoop> should be that XD not sure yet
04:46 <hoop> gogo
04:46 <Monkey_arma> hi Afrothunder
04:46 <Afrothunder> no error XD
04:47 <Afrothunder> at least not yet
04:47 <hoop> cool
04:47 <Monkey_arma> Afrothunder = athronies?
04:47 <Afrothunder> no
04:47 <Monkey_arma> k
04:47 <hoop> ok, now go with ./configure
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04:47 <Afrothunder> Done!  You may now run configure and start building. YES!
04:48 <Afrothunder> any ./configure options I should know about?
04:48 <hoop> later
04:48 <Afrothunder> ok
04:48 <hoop> launch it, and see if it complains dependances
04:49 <Afrothunder> lol i need to get libsdl-dev, downloading
04:49 <hoop> go for it
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04:49 <hoop> install anything he wants
04:50 <Afrothunder> configuring again...
04:50 <Afrothunder> libpng now
04:51 <hoop> kk, no need to report them all ;P
04:51 <Afrothunder> k
04:51 <Afrothunder> lol
04:51 <hoop> when it's done, you can run configure plus some parameters
04:51 <hoop> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Running_Multiple_Servers_on_a_single_Linux_computer
04:52 <Afrothunder> i've looked at that. i dont think I want to do multiple
04:52 <Afrothunder> its a low end pc :P
04:52 <hoop> that page will help you anyway
04:53 <hoop> "Server Installation" section
04:53 <Afrothunder> what package has SDL_image
04:53 <Afrothunder> i forgot
04:53 <hoop> libSDL_image iirc
04:54 <Afrothunder> it doesnt exist
04:55 <hoop> k, lemme chack
04:55 <hoop> CHECK!
04:55 <hoop> try this libsdl-image1.2-dev
04:55 <Afrothunder> ok
04:56 <Afrothunder> yep, thats it
04:58 <Afrothunder> it configured fine now
05:00 <Afrothunder> what does --disable-glout do?
05:00 <hoop> disable graphics, ie do not build a client
05:01 <corewar> not create the client but the server
05:01 <Afrothunder> got it
05:01 <Afrothunder> and --disable-sysinstall?
05:01 <corewar> i want a server for the cockpit thing but 24/7 and i have no money :(
05:02 <hoop> ./configure --help
05:02 <corewar> is there open source hosting or somtheing alike? *g*
05:02 <hoop> dont think so corewar
05:03 <corewar> i roughly calculated 10 players permanently active cause about 12G traffic
05:03 <hoop> Afrothunder: idk what's that for tbh
05:03 <corewar> per month
05:04 <Afrothunder> ok the --help helped alot :)
05:04 <hoop> ask on forums, perhaps someone will give you an admin
05:04 <corewar> hmm
05:04 <hoop> where's it hosted atm?
05:04 <corewar> i was kidding, but it might be not so bad
05:04 <corewar> a friends server
05:04 <hoop> 24/7?
05:04 <corewar> i am not even sure, if it is in .at
05:05 <corewar> he told me only to start it, when i play
05:05 <hoop> .at?
05:05 <corewar> austria
05:05 <corewar> it should be fast as hell, but for us players it isnt... they get 200ms pings
05:06 <hoop> it was fine for me
05:06 <hoop> 200 pings maybe from usa?
05:06 <hoop> ah, us*
05:06 <corewar> US players lol
05:06 <hoop> ok
05:07 <hoop> a bit high indeed
05:08 <Afrothunder> how would I go about setting up a mod/admin system? I haven't read anything anywhere about it
05:08 <corewar> i really wonder... its a professional product... they should have good lines, but obviously they dont
05:09 <corewar> ah. its in germany
05:09 <hoop> Afrothunder: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Authentication_for_Players
05:11 <Afrothunder> I thought that was for the ladder
05:11 <hoop> yea, not only
05:14 <corewar> how does config rotation work? the console command explains it by saying "config_rotation_help"
05:15 <corewar> gah... let me search the forums first...
05:16 <hoop> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Map/Config_Rotation
05:17 <hoop> it only works on 0.3 server iirc
05:17 <corewar> nooo
05:17 <corewar> arr
05:17 <corewar> what does iirc mean?
05:17 <hoop> though it's not hard to setup a config rotator script
05:18 <hoop> If I Recall Correctly
05:18 <corewar> how would you do the script? restart the server all the time?
05:18 <hoop> you know anything about scripting?
05:19 <corewar> yes
05:19 <corewar> there is no option to tell the daemon to load a conf
05:19 <corewar> so i suppos i had to swap files and restart
05:19 <corewar> i assume, all players get kicked, when the server is restarted?
05:20 <hoop> yes
05:20 <corewar> well.. then i am out of ideas
05:21 <hoop> there are different ways to make it
05:21 <corewar> give me the key
05:22 <hoop> are you on linux?
05:22 <ct|kyle> corewar: you want to rotate maps?
05:22 <corewar> yes, but its not my server, so i dare not to touch it really
05:22 <hoop> are you on linux at home?
05:22 <corewar> ct|kyle: yes
05:22 <ct|kyle> http://crazy-tronners.com/viewtopic.php?t=42
05:22 <hoop> you might want to try it locally first
05:23 <luke-jr> corewar: open source does not mean no-money
05:23 <ct|kyle> corewar: that is an old one
05:23 <corewar> luke: that was a joke
05:23 <corewar> ct|kyle: i am trying to understand what it does right now
05:24  * luke-jr is the closest thing to managed open source Armagetron hosting.
05:24 <corewar> aaah
05:24 <corewar> everytime
05:24 <corewar> thanks
05:24 <hoop> lol
05:24 <ct|kyle> 2 of them
05:24 <hoop> corewar: have you ever seen server's output?
05:24 <ct|kyle> i in var and 1 in config
05:24 <corewar> i understand what it does now
05:24 <luke-jr> anyone know why someone would think 20 slots = 10 players max?
05:24 <corewar> cool trick, btw
05:25 <corewar> hoop: i have the tail running out of curiosity *g*
05:25 <hoop> cool
05:25 <ct|kyle> they are stupid maybe?
05:26 <hoop> corewar: you know already what is everytime.cfg for?
05:26 <ct|kyle> corewar: what version of tron is it
05:26 <corewar> hoop: i got it, i can do it now
05:26 <hoop> kk ;P
05:26 <corewar> thanks
05:28 <hoop> off to bed, gnight
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05:28 <luke-jr> fail!
05:29 <corewar> i also wonder, why people keep asking for an outside camera, when the server name is "First Persion View (Cockpit Only)"...
05:29 <corewar> well
05:29 <corewar> i dont really wonder, because i know the answer. i am just not ready to accept it
05:30 <Afrothunder> lol
05:30 <Afrothunder> Like when people enter CTF shooting and ask nobody to shoot
05:31 <corewar> btw you seem to have all the cool bookmarks/know the program well... i would like the players list visible all the time, but it vanishes constantly... can i make it permanent or is ther some script?
05:31 <corewar> the list that comes with [TAB]
05:32 <corewar> i mean a solution without tweaking the source... i am very lazy *g*
05:32 <Afrothunder> i'm not sure you can do that from the server, i think thats a client thing
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06:52 <corewar> ding
06:52 <luke-jr> .
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06:55 <hobo> Hello
06:55 <corewar> hi
06:55 <hobo> yay i did it
06:55 <hobo> yep haha
06:55 <hobo> how?
06:55 <corewar> hmm
06:56 <corewar> i dont know your irc client, what do you use?
06:56 <hobo> Ircle
06:56 <corewar> i look it up... brb
06:56 <hobo> ok
06:57 <corewar> try doubleclicking my nick in the list
06:57 <hobo> it highlights it
06:58 <hobo> do you have Xlink Kai?
06:58 <corewar> wait i just found more info
06:58 <corewar> http://people.exeter.ac.uk/jastaple/irc/irclehelp/chat.html
06:58 <hobo> ok
06:59 <hobo> corewar!n=Harald@85-127-210-49.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at
06:59 <hobo> your on your xbox?
06:59 <corewar> no
06:59 <hobo> oh ok
07:00 <hobo> XDSL is damn small linux
07:00 <corewar> or something like xtended DSL
07:00 <corewar> its a fast dialup line
07:00 <hobo> oh ok
07:01 <hobo> your ping delay is 1 second
07:01 <luke-jr> DSLinux sucks
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07:49 <corewar> LFS linux rulez
07:50 <luke-jr> yeah, it has all the best security holes
07:50 <corewar> lol
07:50 <corewar> is it really that bad?
07:55 <luke-jr> corewar: did you patch that security hole in 'ed' the other day?
07:56 <corewar> no. i have to admit, that i am quite noobish, when it comes to security
07:56 <corewar> would i have ed on a lfs?
07:56 <luke-jr> how about the one in the tiff library?
07:56 <corewar> i dont have x
07:56 <luke-jr> or the mysql hole?
07:56 <corewar> nor mysql
07:56 <luke-jr> python?
07:56 <corewar> hmm
07:56 <corewar> i have python, i think
07:57 <luke-jr> what version?
07:57 <corewar> huh... oh my... dunno... erm... how do i check?
07:57 <luke-jr> python --version
07:57 <corewar> i know, i should be reading all the mailing lists and keep updating...
07:58 <corewar> huh? no pyhton *g*
07:58 <corewar> its a very minimal server
07:58 <luke-jr> apache⁈
07:58 <corewar> iptables / apache / samba
07:59 <luke-jr> what Apache ver
08:01 <corewar> i think its 2.2.2 with a patch from the lfs site
08:01 <luke-jr> sweet
08:01  * luke-jr prepares his DoS attack on corewar
08:01 <corewar> what is current?
08:01 <corewar> oh my
08:03 <corewar> whats a good automated attack tool for checking the holes?
08:05 <luke-jr> nessus maybe
08:06 <corewar> thx
08:06 <luke-jr> it will probably only detect 20% or so
08:09 <corewar> oh m
08:09 <corewar> i intend to learn all this.. but well... linux is big
08:10 <corewar> i am happy, that my linuxes do nearly as i want
08:10 <corewar> for me thats an achievement
08:14 <corewar> how do you learn all this? you must be reading manuals 24/7 for years or so
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09:49 <corewar> is there a max to wall length??
09:50 <corewar> theres somethign strange... the server always resets it to 800... there is no everytime.conf
09:52 <epsy> .cfg length
09:52 <tronner> epsy: CYCLE_WALLS_LENGTH: cycle_walls_length_help (default: -1) || SP_WALLS_LENGTH: Length of the cycle walls in meters; negative values will make the walls infinite. (default: -1) || WALLS_LENGTH: Length of the cycle walls in meters; negative values will make the walls infinite. (default: -1)
09:52 <epsy> you should only change SP_WALLS_LENGTH and WALLS_LENGTH
09:53 <corewar> aha... thx
09:54 <epsy> yw
09:55 <epsy> gday!
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10:16 <corewar> speed_factor is an integr?
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10:38 <noob13> .cfg speed_factor
10:38 <tronner> noob13: CYCLE_TURN_SPEED_FACTOR: Factor the speed of a lightcycle is multiplied with when turning (default: 0.95) || CYCLE_TURN_SPEED_FACTOR_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when CYCLE_TURN_SPEED_FACTOR differs from its default? (default: 3) || REAL_CYCLE_SPEED_FACTOR: The currently active cycle speed multiplier. Leave it alone! Change speed_factor instead. (default: 1) || SPEED_FACTOR: Speed modifier for the (1 more message)
10:38 <noob13> .more
10:38 <tronner> noob13: cycles (default: 0) || SP_SPEED_FACTOR: Speed modifier for the cycles (default: 0)
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11:20 <akira_arma> “Sec. 2. Purchases of Mortgage-Related Assets
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11:21 <akira_arma> (1) appointing such employees as may be required to carry out the authorities in this Act and defining their duties;
11:21 <akira_arma> (2) entering into contracts, including contracts for services authorized by section 3109 of title 5, United States Code, without regard to any other provision of law regarding public contracts;
11:21 <akira_arma> (3) designating financial institutions as financial agents of the Government, and they shall perform all such reasonable duties related to this Act as financial agents of the Government as may be required of them;
11:21 <akira_arma> Sec. 8. Review.
11:21 <akira_arma> Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency
11:21 <akira_arma> enabling law as 1933?
11:27 <corewar> is there an issue with config files in 0.8.2?
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11:29 <corewar> especially when put into a subfolder of /etc/arma.../ and reloaded via "/admin include ..."?
11:34 <corewar> or not named .cfg?
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11:41 <corewar> OMG
11:41 <corewar> macro was starting with "hidden" 0xffffff
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12:44 <teabot> vectroncommits: [beta2] r43 added loading/saving of the locked layer attribute...
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13:40 <CruZ> hi all
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13:46 <epsy> Hi!
13:47 <hoop> why!
13:47  * corewar shy
13:48 <hoop> epsy:  are there specs in sumo?
13:49 <epsy> specs?
13:54 <CruZ> server full :<
14:40 <hoop> speck?
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22:51 <G5> All X come to ct ladle #2
22:52 <noob13> .sd fortress 2
22:52 <tronner> noob13: Crazy Tronners Ladle Fortress 2: Players (9/26): |x| FoFo, ~|DS-T|~|JS|~, ~|DS|~ Plage, ~|DS|~G5 (G5@forums), ~|DS|~sunny, ~|DS|~zion, ~|DS|~|CruZ|~, ~|DS|~|dvDosc|~, ¦×¦ Hoax (Hoax@xclan.armagetron.co.uk/member)
22:53 <noob13> 7 vs 2 isn't fair?
22:54  * luke-jr g
22:54 <luke-jr> wtf is /member ?
22:58 <epsy> maybe for..members ? :)
22:58 <akira_arma> shrunkland full O.o
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