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00:02 <StickyNoob> sounds like a good conversation with gf "hay your getting stupid because you watch too much tv"
00:04 <Lucifer> shoe's on the other foot if you use "hay your" when you mean "hey, you're"
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00:05 <StickyNoob> heh
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01:14 <madmax> #tea
01:14 <armabot> madmax: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
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01:37 <Your_mom_arma> ping
01:43 <Your_mom_arma> In fortress, is double def considered ;   A.) Having a sweeper B.) 2 defs each defending half the zone C.) Some thing else
01:48 <Monkey_arma> Your_mom_arma i say double def to mean one def circles an outer layer and one circles an inner layer
01:48 <Monkey_arma> but also the split def people call double def
01:48 <Monkey_arma> i guess 2 defenders = double def
01:49 <Monkey_arma> (2 defs forming a complete box somehow is my guess)
01:52 <hoax> #ls Your_mom
01:52 <armabot> hoax: your mom has last been seen on AAAAAAAA 4 hours 20 minutes ago.
01:54 <hoax> #ls monkey
01:54 <armabot> hoax: monkey man seems to be on nixda.net - The Race right now.
01:57 <Monkey_arma> no im not
01:58 <StickyNoob> double deff is 2 circleing
01:59 <StickyNoob> split def is just called suicide
02:00 <Flex> lol
02:00 <Flex> yes
02:00 <Flex> suicide is best name for that
02:04 <akira_arma> not sure
02:05 <akira_arma> a really good split def can be good
02:05 <akira_arma> but its inda hard to do
02:06 <StickyNoob> it will never be good as one good defender
02:07 <akira_arma> if you can time it right its even better
02:07 <StickyNoob> naa
02:07 <akira_arma> one defender = danger of holes
02:07 <StickyNoob> if either one of them goes down you have lost the round
02:08 <akira_arma> i remember 2 years back
02:08 <akira_arma> or so
02:08 <akira_arma> when we did some great hole attacks
02:08 <akira_arma> like torpedo but midgame
02:08 <StickyNoob> and it generaly only works on people who havnt seen it and dont know that you should never try to go down the middle of the split def
02:09 <akira_arma> 3 attackers forming up and ramming the def :)
02:09 <akira_arma> instead of circling aorund it 10 minutes
02:09 <akira_arma> ;)
02:09 <StickyNoob> i suppose that is the problem with fort, it only remains fun while the players remain sporting
02:10 <akira_arma> holes are a valid tactic
02:10 <StickyNoob> torpedoing isnt
02:10 <akira_arma> ß
02:10 <akira_arma> ?
02:10 <akira_arma> thats bs
02:10 <akira_arma> you can defend vs that
02:10 <akira_arma> but not with the typical stuff
02:12 <StickyNoob> problem is it removes the requirement for skill from the attackers
02:14 <akira_arma> not at all
02:14 <akira_arma> only if the defenders allow them
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02:14 <akira_arma> it is indefinitely easier to draw a circle for a time then to penetrate it
02:15 <akira_arma> so sacrificing someone to get in seems perfectly valid
02:15 <StickyNoob> 3 fairly average players torpedoing will beat even a good defender
02:15 <akira_arma> only if its just 1 defender
02:15 <akira_arma> ;)
02:16 <akira_arma> if the other stay alert
02:16 <akira_arma> they can floow in
02:16 <akira_arma> follow
02:16 <akira_arma> or disrupt the holing attempot
02:16 <akira_arma> what i am saying is ... torpedos call for a different defnsive strategy
02:16 <StickyNoob> torpedoing is generaly the only thing i consider unsporting in tron
02:17 <StickyNoob> in ctf torpedoing is infuriating
02:17 <akira_arma> ???
02:17 <akira_arma> the explain to me
02:17 <akira_arma> why are server settings that way
02:17 <akira_arma> if its so unsporting just remove holes
02:17 <StickyNoob> i dont have a problem with holing
02:18 <akira_arma> ?
02:18 <StickyNoob> just the organisation of saying, right we are not even going to try to compete with the defense we are just going to go through it
02:19 <akira_arma> so ... what if the defense just adapts?
02:19 <Your_mom_arma> proper ctf defs are nearly impenetrable without constant holing
02:20 <StickyNoob> as i say holing im fine with, its just organised holing(torpedoing) i dont like
02:20 <akira_arma> although that seems to be a team effort
02:20 <akira_arma> more than many attacks I see
02:21 <akira_arma> so my bet is the def has to do a team effort too
02:21 <Your_mom_arma> define torpedoing, 2 attackers, one Kamikaze? or just deliberate holing
02:21 <akira_arma> yea
02:21 <akira_arma> 3 attacker patch
02:21 <StickyNoob> i duno, to me its like crashing into the pole position guy in F1 so your other driver will win. its just saying we cant beat it so lets just take it out
02:22 <akira_arma> a proper fortress def is also alomost impenetrable
02:23 <Your_mom_arma> depends, fortress defs shrink over time if there's a proper attack
02:23 <akira_arma> yea you can jsut squeeze
02:23 <StickyNoob> almost, but ive never seen an impenetrable one, and there are only 5 or 6 guys who can do the truely difficult to crack defense.
02:24 <akira_arma> well .. my point was
02:24 <akira_arma> doing and expecting torpedos would add to the possibilities
02:25 <StickyNoob> true
02:26 <akira_arma> but nvm
02:26 <StickyNoob> the game is fairly defense biased atm but isnt that the point of most games, attacking a fortified position is ment to be hard
02:26 <akira_arma> the opinion became alot lax than before
02:27 <akira_arma> i remember when people started to totally freak at even an unitetional hole
02:28 <akira_arma> nn*
02:28 <StickyNoob> yeah i think defs got better to compensate
02:28 <Your_mom_arma> meh, there's always people who complain about perfectly fair stratagies
02:29 <StickyNoob> i forget the complete list
02:29 <StickyNoob> should add it to arma bot
02:29 <Your_mom_arma> ctwf players occasionally complain if the def has any help from his own team
02:30 <akira_arma> ?
02:30 <StickyNoob> holing, speeding, torpedoing, closing, camping, rim hugging, adjusting, lagging, ganking
02:30 <akira_arma> lol
02:30 <akira_arma> the sins of arma?
02:31 <StickyNoob> adjusting was one of the weirdest ones i heard
02:31 <akira_arma> Thou shalt not camp!
02:31 <Your_mom_arma> change ganking to crowding
02:31 <akira_arma> closing is still the weirdest for me
02:31 <akira_arma> ;)
02:32 <StickyNoob> suppose ctf has base defending too
02:33 <StickyNoob> people object to that a fair bit
02:33 <Your_mom_arma> adjusting is cheap on improper settings, ie I grind left, you grind  then adjust 10 times and 180 back and forth for good measure to block me
02:34 <akira_arma> well thats the whole high rubber thing imho
02:34 <StickyNoob> yeah
02:34 <Your_mom_arma> if you hit a wall and don't die, your doing it wrong
02:34 <akira_arma> yea
02:35 <StickyNoob> i really should ask/figure out how the grinding works exactly
02:36 <StickyNoob> if you do a 10.0 grind into a wall, let your rubber regenerate then do another 10.0 is the result a 20.0 grind or just a 10?
02:37 <Your_mom_arma> StickyNoob:"5 or 6 .. truely difficult to crack defense" so who would you say the best def were are? garismo, skip?
02:37 <akira_arma> ?
02:38 <akira_arma> i dont see gari that oftne
02:38 <akira_arma> on ctf mom?
02:38 <akira_arma> or
02:38 <akira_arma> cafe
02:39 <StickyNoob> i actualy cant remember garismos def. been so long.  skips circling style for everyone else ive found is terrible, REALLY easy to crack.  however skip some how pulled it off. but also skip wasnt so much great at keeping people out as it was just impossible to kill him
02:39 <StickyNoob> so even when you got in he wouldnt die
02:39 <Your_mom_arma> fort in general. I don't play fort all that often so I'm just mentioning the 2 good def I remember from when I did
02:39 <akira_arma> they dont play on cafe anymore
02:39 <Monkey_arma> StickyNoob torpedo is easy to defend against you just gotta pay attention
02:39 <akira_arma> or evry rarely
02:39 <StickyNoob> that guy could stay alive with about a single square of room
02:40 <akira_arma> mazuffer does a very good d
02:40 <StickyNoob> i wouldnt put him as one of the top few
02:40 <StickyNoob> p4's i think is the hardest to crack
02:42 <StickyNoob> G5 also is pretty hard
02:43 <Monkey_arma> akira_arma gari loves cafe best but when he is about no one is on due to time zone differences
02:43 <Monkey_arma> he plays ctf regularly in fact his team won the ww tourney last week
02:43 <Monkey_arma> (he was sub though)
02:44 <StickyNoob> there was a ctf tourney??
02:44 <Monkey_arma> was full in no time
02:44 <Monkey_arma> only 6 teams and 4 per team
02:44 <Monkey_arma> bit nooby
02:44  * StickyNoob head desks, how did i miss it
02:44 <Monkey_arma> http://www.lagtest.net
02:45 <StickyNoob> i can see tho that playing against a competent ctf team could be very anoying, ctf is generaly only fun as people dont play how they should
02:45 <Monkey_arma> na
02:45 <Monkey_arma> match is serious but fun...its different
02:46 <hoax> sticky we won 2 ctf tourneys
02:46 <hoax> didnt u play?
02:46 <StickyNoob> no
02:46 <hoax> LOL
02:46 <Monkey_arma> heh
02:47 <StickyNoob> thing is generaly after they have cracked a def they all run off with flag giving you time to rebuild. if they had sense one would stay to keep the def open, would get very tiresome
02:47 <Monkey_arma> i think a proper match of ctf would have low respawn count..maybe im wrong
02:48 <StickyNoob> i think it would be higher
02:48 <Monkey_arma> y?
02:48 <StickyNoob> mainly as the good guys see the value of spawning the other team
02:49 <Monkey_arma> 2 points for kill, 4 for flag...holing is dangerous tactic
02:49 <Monkey_arma> i think low deaths
02:49 <Your_mom_arma> if you only score 20~ points in the first 3 rounds, it would be easy to make a comeback in the 4th round
02:49 <StickyNoob> yeah but one a defense has been cracked and they are unorganised you can keep spawning them and get 3 or 4 caps before they get it back together
02:50 <StickyNoob> s/one/when
02:50 <Monkey_arma> im talking about an orgainsed bunch of people
02:50 <Monkey_arma> good players
02:50 <StickyNoob> but if you keep the def open its VERY hard to close again
02:51 <Monkey_arma> hmm but what about the sweepers
02:51 <Your_mom_arma> there's no such thing as organized in arma... ever
02:51 <Monkey_arma> well there is better and worse true many ctfers are nooby
02:52 <Monkey_arma> hoax who did you play against?
02:52 <hoax> thats not completely true mom ive been in a v organised team in fort matches
02:52 <hoax> cant remember
02:52 <hoax> id maybe with dorka and some other player
02:52 <hoax> in us serv
02:52 <Monkey_arma> k
02:53 <StickyNoob> dorka? organised?
02:53 <Your_mom_arma> 1 vs 1 in ctf with 1 def and an opp guarding spawn is easy to reset, more then that and it becomes complicated
02:53 <StickyNoob> but if he was orgnaising that would take time away from argueing
02:55 <StickyNoob> well a decent ctf match between 8 good players would be interesting mainly as i dont know how it would turn out
02:56 <StickyNoob> its never been seen before
02:56 <hoax> StickyNoob you saying we've never been organised?
02:56 <StickyNoob> hoax: X or ctf?
02:57 <hoax> x of course
02:57 <StickyNoob> i dont know why i asked that question the answer is no either way
02:57 <hoax> heh
02:57 <hoax> whatever lol
02:58 <StickyNoob> naa x are reasonably organised, but when we loose it we loose it big time, like today where we fell apart in the second match
02:59 <hoax> lol ye
02:59 <hoax> arma is unique
02:59 <hoax> communication and organisation is soo difficult
03:00 <hoax> you'd think its simplicity would help
03:00 <StickyNoob> its too fast really for more detailed comms other than attack/def etc
03:01 <StickyNoob> even if i had voice comms i cant think of much else useful i would say to people
03:02 <StickyNoob> other than shouting at my team "STOP F*&@&£G DYING"
03:02 <hoax> no but it would be funny :D
03:02 <Flex> you guys are fucking retarded.. what it simply was - was we were fucking not even ready..
03:03 <Flex> flash goes afk.. we swap major positions first round
03:03 <Flex> i wanted to say the spots are fucked up, but i didn't want to be rude
03:03 <StickyNoob> heh
03:03 <Flex> we didn't stop shuffling around till we lost the 3rd round
03:03 <hoax> 'you guys are fucking retarded'
03:03 <hoax> do u mind
03:03 <hoax> lol
03:03 <StickyNoob> yeah i did get shuffled around a bit
03:04 <hoax> you were in the team aswell
03:04 <Flex> sticky.. i said go outside of fofo and you're like allalala
03:04 <Your_mom_arma> shuffling or changing attack/def/sweep?
03:04 <Flex> everything
03:04 <Flex> basically we moved everything at least once..
03:05 <StickyNoob> i did go out side of fofo
03:06 <Flex> that's the trouble with x.. when we loose, we get desperate and take risks.. everyone was doing crazy shit to get a round..
03:06 <hoax> flashs grind did look a lil weak
03:06 <Flex> i kept telling her to shorten it..
03:06 <Flex> play safe sort of.. at least
03:07 <hoax> hm more like make it longer
03:07 <StickyNoob> i thought flash did dam well
03:07 <hoax> yeah apart from that
03:07 <Your_mom_arma> the problem with changing things around(shuffling etc) in a match is most of the time it actually makes the team weaker for a time even when it's the best thing to do
03:07 <hoax> i think its more that when we are losing we stop caring
03:07 <Flex> she did fine.. just as fine as everyone lol.. we all just fucked up all together
03:08 <StickyNoob> hoax: actualy its the x second round curse
03:08 <hoax> lol
03:08 <StickyNoob> x never win the 2nd round
03:08 <Flex> no dude.. the effects start first round..
03:08 <hoax> i thought we always lost the first round :S
03:08 <Flex> yeah lol
03:08 <hoax> match*
03:08 <Flex> simple case was.. we was not ready..
03:08 <StickyNoob> no we alwayse win 1st loose 2nd and generaly (altho not recently) win 3rd
03:09 <Flex> nobody knew exactly what position they should be focusing on..
03:10 <Flex> hoax/sticky should of sweeped.. epsy should of defended.. liz take centre.. me and fofo wings
03:10 <Flex> simple
03:10 <Flex> liza/flash
03:10 <Flex> does that make sense?
03:10 <hoax> didnt think about epsy defending
03:10 <hoax> but yeah
03:10 <hoax> speak up next time :D
03:10 <Flex> i wanted to say that.. but i thought.. hey you guys know your own clan right..
03:11 <StickyNoob> lies, ill die before i try to orgaise a team
03:12 <Flex> there's a reason why they call a captain a captain.. so fucking get told what to do.. not hey dude feel like trying out defence?
03:12 <hoax> flex please a week ago u were still here lol
03:12 <Flex> try defending in ctwf and in your own time
03:12 <Flex> hoax, what you mean?
03:13 <Flex> oh right.. well how could i just say hey fuck you i know you guys best..
03:13 <hoax> 'you know your own clan'...not much has changed since 1 week
03:13 <hoax> well you could have just suggested it
03:13 <Flex> well you think it would of been suitable if i stepped in and "suggested" stuff.. i got angry after first round
03:13 <Flex> at least we came back.. i thought we figured it out
03:14 <hoax> lol just man ip
03:14 <hoax> up
03:14 <hoax> fucking always happens when ur playing a game that needs questions to be answered
03:14 <hoax> no one says anything so you step up & go for ab or c
03:15 <hoax> then u get it wrong and ur mate says a damn i was thinking that one aswelll
03:15 <hoax> fucking say something then lol
03:15 <Flex> fuck it.. just we've been through this.. we can't be fucking acting like it's fortress cafe..
03:15 <Flex> play your damn position..
03:15 <Flex> don't play other places..
03:16 <hoax> why wasnt you sweeping
03:16 <hoax> thats why we were behind
03:16 <Flex> i went #2
03:16 <hoax> we should have kept it how it was
03:16 <StickyNoob> shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
03:16 <hoax> who was def the first match?
03:16 <Flex> you
03:16 <hoax> oh
03:16 <Flex> don't you remember? :p
03:17 <hoax> oh then we lost the second...ws i def then?
03:17 <Flex> fofo was..
03:17 <hoax> my short term mem is piss poor
03:17 <hoax> lol duno why we changed things then
03:17 <Flex> no i think you were in first and second match..
03:17 <Flex> then fofo
03:17 <Flex> then me
03:18 <Flex> man mine was fucked up.. you go afk or someone doesn't grind..
03:18 <Flex> then sticky goes lagbomb
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03:18 <Flex> and it was close 90-90
03:18 <hoax> sounds more like it
03:18 <hoax> fo <3
03:19 <FoFo> <3
03:19 <FoFo> so people never sleep to
03:19 <Flex> and nice cheap shot at cafe hoax
03:19 <FoFo> i thought we were alone
03:19 <Flex> that was nice.. did i deserve that lol
03:19 <Flex> trying to get at me through liz lol
03:20 <hoax> er what?
03:20 <Flex> "penetrate" the defence.. lol
03:20 <hoax> is she telling you to say this? :D
03:20 <Flex> what.. no..
03:20 <hoax> u being whiped again
03:20 <hoax> :D
03:20 <Flex> haha
03:20 <FoFo> haha
03:20 <FoFo> xD
03:21 <hoax> why are you here dont you have dishes to do?
03:21 <Flex> haha, yeah :( sleeping on the couch too :((
03:21 <hoax> loool
03:21 <hoax> doghouse 4 u
03:22 <hoax> & lol that wernt no cheapshot...see always making things about you ;)
03:23 <Flex> ok, so it was just a joke?
03:24 <FoFo> how u explain that we can come bk at 60 -11 and win the 1 st match
03:24 <FoFo> and play as we play after that
03:25 <hoax> lol ofc it was just a joke
03:25 <hoax> thats good
03:26 <hoax> idk what happened ro what changed for us to lose the 2nd
03:26 <Flex> we were fucked from the start..
03:26 <FoFo> we have to play safe next time
03:26 <FoFo> too much stupid dies
03:26 <Flex> they got careless and thought they could take the advantage and move risks..
03:27 <Flex> never worked.. so we managed to steal it..
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05:03 <Pathetique> hey, crazy dev people
05:04 <Pathetique> I have a question
05:05 <Pathetique> just for shits and giggles, I want to make it so the tron cycles in the game have flags sticking up above them, similar to how bicycles have sometimes in real life.
05:10 <Pathetique> how would I go about doing that? using blender to make my own tron cycle? or would that require something more involved?
05:12 <Monkey_arma> here is a link that explains it:
05:12 <Monkey_arma> http://dontdothatitsstupid.com
05:16 <Pathetique> oh
05:16 <Pathetique> here's a rebuttal link
05:16 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma: error
05:17 <luke-jr> Unknown host dontdothatitsstupid.com
05:17 <Pathetique> http://monkeysdickis.notlong.com
05:19 <Pathetique> its a real link too
05:19 <Pathetique> lulz
05:20 <Pathetique> same place dbd uses for the redirect to its website
05:20 <Monkey_arma> luke-jr hmm...try rebooting your computer it might reset your modem or somit..
05:21 <luke-jr> ok
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05:24 <Monkey_arma> bb
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05:27 <Pathetique> #noob
05:27 <armabot> Pathetique: noob has last been seen on [] Cheers! [] The friendly server. 43 minutes ago.
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05:45 <Lucifer> oh shit, now I have to try it
05:48 <Pathetique> try what? o.0
05:49 <Ttech> <The_Master> phusis: I require only patterns.Yeah.Reductionism is the philosophy that all psychology reduces to biology, all biology to chemistry,chemistry to physics, and finally physics to mathematical logic. Therefore, according toreductionism, I can do it.Polite people arenice.You are quite welcome! Thanks and you are male.
05:51 <Lucifer> well, not sure if it'll be practical, but here's the basic idea
05:52 <Lucifer> put a series of half-coils on the frame of the bike, right where the edge of the wheel passes
05:52 <Lucifer> put a few magnets on the wheel itself, mounted in a balanced way, of course
05:52 <Lucifer> pass a current through the half-coils, voila!  electric assist
05:53 <Pathetique> (???) This is in relation to whom?
05:53 <Lucifer> the main question is how much current do I need to pass to make a difference, and can I get a battery that'll store it
05:53 <Lucifer> to you...
05:53 <Pathetique> oh lol
05:53 <Pathetique> I meant in the game
05:53 <Pathetique> not real life
05:53 <Lucifer> oh, heh
05:53 <Pathetique> But uh
05:53 <Pathetique> It would have to be a fairly large current
05:53 <Pathetique> and it would be hard to sustain it...
05:53 <Pathetique> from just a battery
05:54 <Pathetique> But that's how the Chevy Volt is supposed to work...apparently...
05:54 <Lucifer> the idea is that putting the magnets that far from the hub will increase the moment of force exerted on the axel and hopefully counteract the reduced magnetic moment from the current on the magnets
05:54 <Pathetique> 40 miles or less of driving is the max.
05:54 <Pathetique> that reminds me of a youtube video
05:56 <Pathetique> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb1Z9VU_Yco
05:57 <Lucifer> heh, that's something I hadn't thought of doing
06:00 <Pathetique> I'm watching the lightbike scene of the movie
06:01 <Pathetique> When is CYCLE_WIDTH supposed to start working?
06:02 <Pathetique> If I changed the restricted tron version thing in the source would it cause it to bug out?
06:02 <Pathetique> like, If I'm on number 13, and it requires 14 normally, I mean.
06:05 <Pathetique> o.o
06:05 <Pathetique> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2JChnwv2Ws <-- The Trons, a home-brew robot band
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06:49 <Lucifer> http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/man_who_used_stick_to_roll
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12:40 <pippijn> hi z-man
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15:10 <Pathetique> YAY OSX Leopard! :D
15:10  * Pathetique waves hello to Lizmatic!
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15:35 <Lizmatic> hey pathhhh
15:35 <Lizmatic> :-)
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15:38 <Pathetique> :)
15:38 <Pathetique> #yay Lizmatic!
15:38 <armabot> YAY Lizmatic!!
15:38 <Pathetique> yaey
15:38 <Pathetique> lol
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16:20 <Pathetique> :o
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16:33 <K-Yo> whar is the "core" stuff in the server list?
16:34 <K-Yo> "score"*
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17:16 <hoax> Monkey_arma fuck you unsilence me
17:18 <Monkey_arma> you knob it was desolate
17:18 <Monkey_arma> cant u even  read?
17:18 <hoax> where would I have read that before I wrote what I did above ?
17:18 <hoax> Why is Big D a mod in cafe?
17:18 <hoax> wrtlprnft
17:20 <akira_arma> #tea
17:20 <armabot> akira_arma: Fortress Café: Players (11/32): /dev/null/h4ck, cT¤K-Yo (K-Yo@crazy-tronners.com), Desolate (Desolate@crazy-tronners.com), Dude, encom, Klaus, Machetes, madmax (madmax@forums), Player 1, Sageras, Zod
17:22 <madmax> must be moderator fun day
17:23 <Monkey_arma> to be fair though hoax you are being critical today in cafe....
17:24 <Monkey_arma> *overly*
17:24 <madmax> K-Yo: I guess it tries to find the best rating of a server judging by players/ping and such
17:24 <K-Yo> madmax, strange, you can change it with +/-
17:25 <K-Yo> so it is a personal ranking?
17:25 <madmax> well, to put the ones you want overvalued on top
17:25 <K-Yo> but how does the basic work
17:25 <madmax> (the ones you like the most)
17:30 <madmax> wrtlprnft: would it be possible to add a welcome screen to cafe with the basics like it happens on x sumo for instance?
17:37 <Lizmatic> desolate is admin in fort cafe?
17:37 <madmax> yes...
17:38 <Lizmatic> lol
17:38 <Lizmatic> fail
17:38 <Lizmatic> #tea
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17:38 <armabot> Lizmatic: Fortress Café: Players (2/32): Sageras, Xyron
17:40 <K-Yo> I don't think he's a bad mod
17:40 <Monkey_arma> he is annoying sometimes
17:40 <Monkey_arma> but hes not terrible
17:42 <K-Yo> I agree
17:42 <K-Yo> he's not the worse café mod
17:43  * K-Yo stares pepsy
17:44 <Monkey_arma> although  i did have a go at him the other day when i came in there was 9v9 already
17:44 <Monkey_arma> and i said as a joke "someone gfto so i can play"
17:44 <Monkey_arma> desolate said to me...yes to ME.... "monkey watch your language"
17:44 <Monkey_arma> so i told him what is what very quickly
17:44 <K-Yo> hehe
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17:45 <K-Yo> "what is what"?
17:45 <K-Yo> hoax, oops sry I forgot to say "gtg"
17:46 <Monkey_arma> K-Yo "what is what" means to put things straight
17:47 <K-Yo> like: "i'm the boss so stfu"?
17:47 <hoax> you should've stayed to win the match :/
17:47 <Monkey_arma> well im not his boss
17:47 <K-Yo> hoax, why?
17:47 <Monkey_arma> but the stfu part ye
17:47 <hoax> why not?
17:47 <K-Yo> Monkey_arma, xD
17:47 <hoax> what u doing now...
17:47 <K-Yo> hoax, I had enough playing
17:47 <Lizmatic> Big D is annoying..
17:47 <hoax> lol kk
17:47 <K-Yo> Lizmatic, he's less than before
17:48 <Lizmatic> ah i see
17:48 <K-Yo> Lizmatic, but he's till I agree
17:48 <hoax> yeah WHY is he a mod?
17:48 <Flex> "he asked"
17:48 <hoax> Since when did it become the peoples republic of fortress cafe
17:48 <madmax> lol
17:48 <hoax> silencing me what a chump
17:48 <K-Yo> srsly hoax do you rly think he's a bad mod?
17:48 <hoax> I do now
17:48 <Lizmatic> if he silenced hoax then he's a bad mod..
17:48 <K-Yo> :P
17:48 <hoax> I take offense to being silenced by some kid
17:48 <K-Yo> he did something bad as mod and stupid once
17:48  * Monkey_arma was not disappointed to see hoax silenced
17:48 <K-Yo> but who did never?
17:49 <Lizmatic> cant be worse than epsy though
17:49 <Lizmatic> :p
17:49  * K-Yo neither
17:49 <hoax> piss off monk lol
17:49 <K-Yo> Lizmatic, I agree totally
17:49 <K-Yo> hoax, once he silenced the whole server
17:49 <K-Yo> everyone got silenced
17:49 <hoax> Can't even kick anyone these days
17:49 <K-Yo> that pissed off several players
17:49 <Monkey_arma> hoax that did piss me off
17:49 <Lizmatic> who did that?
17:49 <hoax> polls get cancelled and they get shoved into spec for 5 rounds
17:49 <hoax> what good is that?
17:49 <K-Yo> Lizmatic, big_d
17:49 <Lizmatic> LOL!
17:49 <Monkey_arma> if i remove polls to put people in spec then stfu
17:50 <hoax> what pissed u off monk?
17:50 <Monkey_arma> they still cant play but they may learn by watching
17:50 <Flex> period
17:50 <K-Yo> being a monkey is not easy hoax
17:50 <Monkey_arma> you criticising my modding
17:50 <Flex> monkey's time of the month hoax
17:50 <Lizmatic> *sings* voulez vous coucher avec moiii
17:50 <Monkey_arma> no flex
17:50 <K-Yo> I like the suspending idea
17:50 <hoax> you didnt even now I was talking about you
17:50 <madmax> Lizmatic: sing something decent
17:50 <hoax> If you was so sure you was doing a good job you wouldnt be crying now
17:50 <K-Yo> Lizmatic, don't forget I'm french, and a french guy always answer "yes"
17:50 <Monkey_arma> hoax you replied to that in a way that suggested it
17:50 <Lizmatic> loool :P
17:50 <Monkey_arma> im not crying im annoyed
17:51 <K-Yo> hoax, you "were"
17:51 <hoax> why?
17:51 <hoax> cant even kick people now
17:51 <Monkey_arma> suspending is better than kick for noobs
17:51 <hoax> they just hang around then come back and cause more trouble
17:51  * K-Yo agrees
17:51 <Monkey_arma> if its dickheads then kick them
17:51 <Lizmatic> lets stop fighting and point our anger at Big D!
17:51 <madmax> btw, can't you suspend >5 rounds?
17:51 <K-Yo> Lizmatic, disagreed
17:51 <hoax> lol its not fighting
17:51 <Monkey_arma> i would not remove poll for idiots
17:51 <K-Yo> madmax, yes
17:51 <Monkey_arma> max yes
17:51 <Lizmatic> i'm not serious doh
17:51 <hoax> But why is Big D a mod & why is he silencing me
17:51 <madmax> there was sooome cases today that justified it
17:51 <K-Yo>  /admin suspend someone x
17:51 <K-Yo> gtg
17:51 <K-Yo> cu
17:52 <hoax> wrtlprnft when did you get dictators as mods
17:52 <madmax> a couple of times people reentered the game to still screw up :P
17:52 <K-Yo> wait till i get back home to continu this talk please
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17:52 <Monkey_arma> madmax i agree on suspending faster
17:52 <Flex> the only decent mod on cafe is monkey..
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17:52  * Flex waits for a cookie
17:52  * Monkey_arma gives flex more than a cookie ;)
17:52 <madmax> whaa
17:52 <Flex> lol...
17:53 <Lizmatic> monkey is a good mod
17:53 <Monkey_arma> yes i think we should instantly suspend noobs
17:53 <Monkey_arma> but not kick
17:53 <Monkey_arma> theu usually leave anyway
17:53 <Flex> i agree with suspend.. same shit.. they can just watch
17:53 <Flex> that's what we wanted right..
17:53 <Lizmatic> they never watch though LOL
17:53 <Monkey_arma> some do liz
17:53 <Flex> you guys don't even know what you all want..
17:53 <hoax> monkeys ok im not gona bum him though
17:53 <Monkey_arma> i have helped some learn in spec
17:53 <Monkey_arma> aw hoax
17:53 <hoax> <3
17:53 <Monkey_arma> :)
17:53 <Flex> i'm not.. i'm being honest.. there's only one mod there and it's monkey..
17:54 <hoax> suspending is w aste of time
17:54 <Monkey_arma> hoop is ok
17:54 <Monkey_arma> but he aint on at the mo
17:54 <Flex> hoop is inactive..
17:54 <Monkey_arma> hoax no its not
17:54 <Monkey_arma> suspending is good
17:54 <hoax> they get polled...and then you cancel it and shove them in spec
17:54 <Lizmatic> hoop is cool :p but hes goooone!
17:54 <Monkey_arma> i would not cancel a poll for kicking a twat
17:54 <hoax> you should put them in spec before they get polled
17:54 <Flex> yes, i agree.. suspend is far better then kicking..
17:54 <Lizmatic> you should kick flex though
17:54 <Monkey_arma> hoax they deserve a chance..like one round at least
17:54 <Lizmatic> or suspend him for 10 rounds..
17:54 <Lizmatic> :p
17:55 <madmax> and you can't really suspend every new nick that enters
17:55 <Flex> you can't find a new players before they do something stupid.. that doesn't make sense hoax
17:55 <hoax> yeah I guess but wtf is desolate silencing me
17:55 <Monkey_arma> one guy was new to tron i remember and he learnt first time....
17:55 <hoax> allow that
17:55 <Flex> that's just stupid.. what did you even say?
17:55 <Flex> where's the warnings
17:55 <hoax> nothing
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17:56 <Monkey_arma> well hoax you were being annoying yes i agree with him on that BUT he should not have silenced you first time
17:56 <hoax> he was talking to me so i told him to stfu
17:56 <hoax> who does he think he is having digs at me all the time because hes a failure
17:56 <madmax> heh I didn't see much that happened, I was busy with team blue's right side
17:56 <Flex> Monkey_arma, when i frist joined ctwf.. i grinded because i saw everyone was doing it.. i was leaving gaps, and getting killed on the split.. but still did it..
17:56 <Monkey_arma> me too
17:56 <Monkey_arma> i learnt on fort
17:57  * Lizmatic started in ddl :(
17:57  * Flex laughs
17:57 <hoax> :D
17:57 <Monkey_arma> hah
17:57 <madmax> I've seen him using /admin pointlessly though
17:57 <Lizmatic> flex you always dragged me to sumo and i hated it
17:57 <Lizmatic> :p
17:57 <hoax> haha i was gona write that but resisted
17:57 <Flex> no liz you started in ww wf..
17:57 <Flex> :)
17:57 <hoax> whos this madmax ?
17:57 <Lizmatic> ww wf?
17:57 <Flex> wild west wild fortress
17:57 <Lizmatic> oh? lol
17:58 <Flex> remember.. that's where you first went
17:58 <Lizmatic> i dont remember:p
17:58 <madmax> hoax: desolate
17:58 <Flex> yeah..well then you started going into ddl..
17:58 <Lizmatic> gnagna
17:58 <hoax> I just dont even know *why* hes a mod tbh
17:59 <Lizmatic> yeah its so random
17:59 <madmax> Flex : "he asked" ^^
17:59 <hoax> yeah liz you over your ddl flaming now ?
17:59 <Lizmatic> lol pff
17:59 <Lizmatic> shut up!
17:59 <Flex> madmax, yeah that's what i got told..
17:59 <Flex> dunno if exactly the case..
17:59 <hoax> im being serious heh
17:59 <Lizmatic> I always flame when I'm in ddl, I hate people there
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17:59 <Lizmatic> :D
17:59 <hoax> so stay the fuck out
17:59 <hoax> why go to thier level
18:00 <Lizmatic> sometimes i go to talk someone there
18:00 <ivantis> #ivantis
18:00 <armabot> ivantis rules yo ass, shut up
18:00 <Lizmatic> oO
18:00 <Flex> #flex
18:00 <Flex> aw.. lame someone removed it..
18:00 <Flex> haters
18:00 <hoax> hahaha
18:00 <Lizmatic> how do you add?
18:00 <Flex> jeez..
18:00 <armabot> Flex: BOOM HEADSHOT!!22TWOTWELVETWO22!!!
18:00 <Flex> oh there it is :p
18:00 <hoax> armabot is slow
18:01 <Lizmatic> add me!
18:01 <Flex> Lizmatic, you gotta be cool to have one :p
18:01 <Flex> ivantis just secretly added himself
18:01 <ivantis> #alias add flex echo "flex is a noob"
18:01 <Flex> fag
18:01 <madmax> #ping
18:01 <armabot> ivantis: The operation succeeded.
18:01 <ivantis> #flex
18:02 <armabot> pong
18:02 <armabot> flex is a noob
18:02 <hoax> #monkey
18:02 <armabot> I don't know anything about shit mods, sorry.
18:02 <hoax> <3
18:02 <ivantis> #alias add flex echo "flex rules yo ass, shut up"
18:03 <armabot> ivantis: The operation succeeded.
18:03 <ivantis> see? im nice
18:03 <ivantis> #flex
18:03 <armabot> flex rules yo ass, shut up
18:03 <Flex> #flex
18:03 <armabot> hello
18:04 <Flex> #Lizmatic
18:05 <armabot> hello
18:05 <ivantis> ?
18:05 <ivantis> #ping
18:05 <Lizmatic> #alias add Lizmatic echo "<3's Flex"
18:05 <Lizmatic> :P
18:05 <armabot> pong
18:05 <ivantis> #Lizmatic
18:06 <armabot> Lizmatic: The operation succeeded.
18:06 <Lizmatic> #Lizmatic
18:06 <armabot> <3's Flex
18:06 <Lizmatic> :D
18:06 <armabot> <3's Flex
18:06 <Flex> armabot bot <3's me? :p
18:06 <Lizmatic> #alias add Lizmatic echo "Liz <3's Sav"
18:06 <Lizmatic> :P
18:07 <armabot> Lizmatic: The operation succeeded.
18:07 <Flex> lol :p
18:07 <Lizmatic> #Lizmatic
18:07 <armabot> Liz <3's Sav
18:07 <Lizmatic> :D
18:08 <ct|kyle> who let the spammer into the forums
18:08 <ivantis> there are like 3 spammers in the forums
18:08 <ivantis> and its getting out of hand
18:08 <madmax> that's not spamming that's advertising!
18:09 <ivantis> advertising crap
18:09 <ct|kyle> same diff well the spammed advertising stuff
18:09 <ct|kyle> they*
18:10 <Monkey_arma> #hoax
18:10 <armabot> Monkey_arma: Error: The command "echo" is available in the Alias and Utilities plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "echo".
18:10 <ct|kyle> #help hoax
18:10 <armabot> ct|kyle: (hoax <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo _Hoax has last been seen on DDL, Crazy tronners wild fortress, extra high rubber ..oh hang on a minute".
18:10 <hoax> noob
18:10 <Monkey_arma> #hoax
18:10 <armabot> Monkey_arma: Error: The command "echo" is available in the Alias and Utilities plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "echo".
18:10 <hoax> hahaha
18:11 <Monkey_arma> #hoax
18:11 <madmax> someone put an alias called echo
18:11 <madmax> #echo
18:11 <Flex> #madmax
18:11 <Flex> #rating Flex
18:11 <Flex> #kill
18:11 <Flex> #ping
18:11 <ct|kyle> #STFU Flex
18:11 <Flex> no u
18:12 <ct|kyle> ok :D
18:12 <armabot> madmax: Error: The command "echo" is available in the Alias and Utilities plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "echo".
18:12 <madmax> armabot is having a crysis
18:12 <Monkey_arma> you are telling me....how slow is he
18:12 <hoax> #kyle
18:12 <Monkey_arma> #hoax
18:12 <armabot> Flex: (kill <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "echo $1 will die on $now due to being stabbed in the eye by $who".
18:13 <Ttech> #latency
18:13 <armabot> Flex: flex is 939th with a rating of 1568-1586 (from 1591-1641)
18:13 <armabot> pong
18:13 <armabot> ...
18:13 <Ttech> #latency
18:13 <armabot> DCC SEND muahahahaha
18:13 <Monkey_arma> first time ive seen ttech actually talk here ..hi btw mr ttech
18:13 <ct|kyle> #echo _Hoax has last been seen on DDL, Crazy tronners wild fortress, extra high rubber ..oh hang on a minute
18:13 <Ttech> hi Monkey_arma
18:13 <Ttech> ;)
18:13 <madmax> did someone add an alias called echo?
18:13 <Ttech> I don't speak much
18:14 <hoax> someones a noob
18:14 <armabot> _Hoax has last been seen on DDL, Crazy tronners wild fortress, extra high rubber ..oh hang on a minute
18:14  * hoax points finger at Monkey_arma 
18:14 <Monkey_arma> what noob would alias echo omg
18:14 <Monkey_arma> some damn noob
18:14 <Monkey_arma> <-- cough
18:14  * madmax agrees with hoax
18:14 <hoax> lol :)
18:14  * Monkey_arma agrees with madmax and hoax
18:14 <madmax> we have a winner
18:14 <Ttech> #alias remove echo
18:14 <Monkey_arma> ive removed it now
18:14 <Monkey_arma> did it already tteech
18:15 <Ttech> hmm
18:15 <Flex> I'm a mad man, this is a real life movie Mad Max
18:15 <Flex> S-K's, AK's max, ABR's spittin' and it ain't a rap
18:15 <hoax> heh unless I removed mine in the time it took you to type it here ;)
18:15 <armabot> Ttech: Error: There is no such alias.
18:15 <Flex> that's your line madmax
18:15 <Ttech> armabot, u lag
18:15 <ct|kyle> armabot: pingy
18:15 <armabot> pongy
18:15 <Monkey_arma> wrtlprnft reset armabot he lags muchos
18:16 <ct|kyle> 8 second lag on pongy
18:16 <madmax> quoting a GTA:SA radio: "...none of that rap crap. Radio X"
18:16 <hoax> hahaha
18:16 <hoax> madmax you like house music you're a girl :p
18:17 <Flex> lol, house musics ok :p
18:17 <madmax> yes, you keep convencing yourself of that hoax
18:17 <hoax> if you have a vagina
18:17  * madmax prepares to say something bad about drum & bass
18:17 <Flex> lol
18:17 <hoax> haha too bad yu cant :D
18:17 <Flex> they all sound the same? :D
18:18 <madmax> when you least expect it, when you least expect it...
18:18 <hoax> I can only open the door to the world of men max, I can't push you through it
18:18 <madmax> haha
18:18 <Flex> hahaha
18:18 <hoax> :D
18:18 <Ttech> enable the latency command
18:18 <madmax> btw, the host of hospital's podcast is a bit dumb
18:18 <Ttech> #latency
18:18 <hoax> wouldnt know I dont get it
18:18 <madmax> he confused portuguese with some eastern europe language
18:19 <madmax> it's ok
18:19 <hoax> hospital is like the pop of dnb, quite easy listening
18:19 <Flex> d&b has some crazy energy when it's good..
18:19 <hoax> most commercial
18:19 <hoax> but still good
18:19 <ivantis> was anyone talking to me?
18:19 <hoax> no
18:20 <Flex> #no
18:20 <ivantis> #alias add no echo "no"
18:20 <madmax> yes, keep adding pointless aliases
18:20 <madmax> then feel armabot's wrath
18:20 <armabot> ivantis: The operation succeeded.
18:21 <ivantis> #no
18:21 <hoax> haha all this chat I made it on the stats now
18:21 <armabot> no
18:21 <hoax> #yes
18:21 <Flex> link?
18:21 <hoax> http://electricpotential.net/ircstats/armagetron.html
18:22 <ivantis> i was on the stats a while ago
18:22 <Flex> Random quote by Monkey_arma: "flex i played the same on 4v4"
18:22 <Flex> lol
18:23 <ivantis> these didnt make it to the top: ivantis (1962)
18:23 <ivantis> ha im on the stats
18:23 <hoax> ivantis how old are you?
18:23 <ivantis> why, you rapist
18:23 <ivantis> really, why?
18:23 <hoax> sticky told me to ask :/
18:24 <ivantis> are you going to laugh?
18:24 <hoax> why would I laugh
18:24 <ivantis> 13
18:24 <hoax> at what?
18:24 <ivantis> how old i am
18:24 <hoax> kids these days learn thier compter shit early on was all i was thinking
18:25 <Monkey_arma> ivantis knows so much about computers for that age
18:25 <Flex> man at 13 i was trying to figure out how to work my sega.. :p
18:25  * madmax bets Flex and hoax will get into another discussion about their age
18:25 <ivantis> how old are you now?
18:26 <Flex> too old
18:26 <hoax> 13 sounds young, but thats like year 9...i didnt think i was 'young' in yr9
18:26 <hoax> fuck that max i dont wana talk about my age lol :/
18:26 <Monkey_arma> hoax you asked him so you should tell him
18:26 <Monkey_arma> (ivantis that is)
18:26 <hoax> who asked you?
18:26 <Flex> beef
18:26 <madmax> hey, you're the one always saying you're older than Flex and stuff :-P
18:27 <ivantis> great. did you know i was the last to use http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/? i told luke-jr to shut up about it
18:27 <ivantis> it says on the stats
18:27 <Flex> madmax, let's just say he knows i'm the true older guy..
18:27 <Flex> the bigger man.. so to speak ;)
18:27 <madmax> here we go!
18:27 <luke-jr> ivantis: liar
18:27 <hoax> haha max, its nothing to do with age, justs facts :P
18:27 <ivantis> luke-jr: liar ivantis: truther
18:27 <luke-jr> ivantis: liar
18:28 <ivantis> look fer yerself
18:28 <hoax> hey luke-jr ! :)
18:29 <luke-jr> ivantis: look at what
18:29 <ivantis> the stats
18:29 <luke-jr> what stats
18:29 <ivantis> it says i was the last person to use http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/
18:29 <ivantis> http://electricpotential.net/ircstats/armagetron.html
18:29 <hoax> luke-jr you not gona say hi to me
18:29 <Lizmatic> #tea
18:29 <armabot> Lizmatic: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
18:30 <ivantis> #toast
18:30 <armabot> ivantis: SPACE-LAB Shooting!: Players (0/8):
18:30 <Lizmatic> #Lizmatic
18:30 <armabot> Liz <3's Sav
18:30 <Lizmatic> :D
18:30 <ivantis> #ivantis
18:30 <armabot> ivantis rules yo ass, shut up
18:30 <ivantis> :D
18:30 <ivantis> i win
18:31 <luke-jr> ivantis: retard
18:31 <ivantis> luke-jr: the stats are at http://electricpotential.net/ircstats/armagetron.html
18:31 <Flex> pwned
18:31 <Flex> lol
18:31 <ivantis> it also says: Luke-Jr wasn't very popular, getting kicked 21 times!
18:31 <hoax> #ivantis
18:32 <armabot> ivantis fails.
18:32 <ivantis> hey!
18:32 <hoax> lol!
18:32 <ct|kyle> lol
18:32 <Flex> my random comment pwns
18:32 <Flex> ""he seems like another stealth bush"
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18:33 <ivantis> #ivantis
18:34 <armabot> ivantis rules yo ass, shut up (and dont change it again hoax)
18:34 <hoax> #ivantis
18:35 <ivantis> luke-jr: i made one just for you
18:35 <ivantis> #luke-smells
18:35 <armabot> FoFo just told me that luke-jr smells bad
18:35 <hoax> xD
18:36 <ivantis> #ivantis
18:36 <ivantis> ?
18:37 <epsy> er, i got highlighted, but that's past my scroll buffer
18:37 <epsy> was it anything serious (ie. non - $randomNick)
18:38 <hoax> yeah wrtlprnft wanted you smth about admin on cafe
18:39 <madmax> lol
18:39 <epsy> i dont know why but i'm sure you're lieing
18:39 <epsy> lying*
18:39 <wrtlprnft> what's the problem this time?
18:39 <epsy> ..i was right
18:39 <epsy> #last --with epsy
18:40 <armabot> epsy: [17:49:18] <Lizmatic> cant be worse than epsy though
18:40 <epsy> ..right..
18:40 <luke-jr> wtf
18:40 <luke-jr> someone screwed up my US demo
18:40 <epsy> haha
18:41 <luke-jr> what I want to know is how
18:41 <luke-jr> SSH access is restricted to remote admin
18:43 <luke-jr> they did a fscking rm -rf / it seems
18:43 <epsy> ouch
18:44 <luke-jr> epsy: could be worse
18:44 <wrtlprnft> you give away ssh access for free?
18:44 <wrtlprnft> where?!
18:45 <ct|kyle> #luke-jr
18:45 <armabot> ct|kyle: |DAS|FetusJesus has last been seen on >>> FAST TRACK RELOADED (VERY HIGH SPEED) <<< 8 hours 58 minutes ago.
18:45 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: http://irc.xinutec.org/en/overview.xhtml
18:46 <wrtlprnft> you've got too much free time ;-)
18:46 <pippijn> I don't
18:47 <pippijn> I am studying all day long
18:47 <pippijn> this stats took me exactly 23 minutes
18:47 <pippijn> I don't have too much time.. I just use my time efficiently
18:47 <ivantis> was anyone talking to me?
18:47 <wrtlprnft> if you say so
18:48 -!- flashyyy [n=flashyy@p57BB70CB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #armagetron
18:48 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: see my site
18:49 <ivantis> there are other bad things you can do with SSH
18:49 -!- KeY_3113 [n=K-Yo@unaffiliated/k-yo] has joined #armagetron
18:49 <ivantis> youve got to limit it more
18:49 <ivantis> luke-jr
18:50 <luke-jr> I wish apache logged POST data
18:51 <ivantis> ?
18:52 <ivantis> you could log it with every page that had something to post
18:52 <ivantis> on it
18:52 <luke-jr> …
18:52 <luke-jr> hum
18:52 <luke-jr> 3 people touched the demo page that day
18:53 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: well, it starts with my ability to copy stuff onto your server
18:53 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: ooo
18:53 <wrtlprnft> if you have any scripts in the demo user's home dir you could overwrite them
18:53 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: did you do it?
18:53 <wrtlprnft> scp font_s.png demo@levopede-uk.dashjr.org:~/
18:53 <wrtlprnft> that just worked
18:53 <wrtlprnft> no, I didn't do anything, I just took the challenge right now
18:53 <ivantis> on my site i use http://sitemeter.com
18:54 <ivantis> it tracks IPs
18:54 <ivantis> and domains
18:54 <ivantis> i think
18:54 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: probably should disable SCP/SFTP for demo eh
18:54 <wrtlprnft> /usr/lib/usersvc/bin/shell: line 4: SvcConfig: No such file or directory
18:54 <luke-jr> yeah, they even deleted that
18:54 <ivantis> whats SFTP?
18:54 <wrtlprnft> does that mean ~/SvcConfig?
18:54 <epsy> Secure FTP!
18:55 <wrtlprnft> then you could just overwrite that
18:55 <wrtlprnft> FTP over SSH
18:55 <ivantis> never heard of it
18:55 <ivantis> o
18:55 <ivantis> i use SCP
18:55 <wrtlprnft> not to confuse with FTPS
18:55 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: no
18:55 <luke-jr> SFTP isn't FTP over SSH fwiw
18:55 <ivantis> whats that?
18:55 <wrtlprnft> well, if they could delete it they could have changed it, too
18:55 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: so true
18:55 <luke-jr> more reason to disable SFTP/SCP for demo
18:55 <wrtlprnft> my the way, sftp and rsync allow you to delete stuff
18:55 <luke-jr> wish I knew that was how tho
18:56 <wrtlprnft> *by the way
18:56 <wrtlprnft> check your logs?
18:56 <ivantis> why even leave it?
18:57 <ivantis> wait: luke-jr: i tried your demo a while ago. i tested the file editor thing. couldnt they get anywhere by using ../../.....?
18:57 <ivantis> another hole
18:57 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: try now
18:58 <luke-jr> with -ct
18:58 <ivantis> -crazy-tronners
18:58 <luke-jr> …
18:59 <wrtlprnft> well, that's that
18:59 <luke-jr> ivantis: the file editor doesn't allow anything outside its array of files
18:59 <ivantis> luke-jr: o
18:59 <wrtlprnft> of course, because your regular interface doesn't work i can't test it
18:59 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: will fix asap
19:00 <luke-jr> but I didn't plan for everything being deleted like this
19:00 <luke-jr> :/
19:00 <luke-jr> stupid retards
19:00 <wrtlprnft> probably best to remove write permissions for pretty much all directories
19:00 <ivantis> oh man, that reminds me. i ought to backup my system
19:00 <luke-jr> demo needs write for some things
19:01 <wrtlprnft> then give it write to *those* things
19:01 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: the entire svc/aa dir is kept in Subversion ☺
19:03 <luke-jr> ugh, I don't have a recent backup
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19:05 <ivantis> sweet! did you know? ubuntu 8.04 has preinstalled stuff like iTunes, so you can put things on your iPod
19:05 <epsy> that's called rythmbox
19:06 <epsy> and can be found on pretty much every distro out there ( Monkey_arma stfu )
19:06 <ivantis> it says Music Player
19:06 <ivantis> at the top
19:08 <ivantis> guess my track
19:09 <ivantis> what am i listening to right now?
19:09 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: try now
19:10 <Lizmatic> #tea
19:10 <armabot> Lizmatic: Fortress Café: Players (1/32): <T¤$afari$Kater
19:10 <epsy> Track 1 - Unknown artist?
19:10 <ivantis> epsy: how did you know?
19:10 <ivantis> close, but it was Track 20 - Unknown artist
19:11 <ivantis> off a good burnt cd called "Brasilica 2"
19:12 <epsy> d'oh
19:12 <Monkey_arma> wooo guys sftp is not secure ftp
19:12 <Monkey_arma> its simple ftp
19:12 <ivantis> my ipod shuffle only has 10 hours and 12 minutes of music on it, 569.1 MB
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19:13 <Monkey_arma> epsy i wouldnt like itunes or ipod :)
19:13 <ivantis> i recently looked at my friends itunes library. it is about 50 GB, and enough music to last a month and 5 days continually playing
19:14 <Monkey_arma> ipod = sucks
19:14 -!- flashyyy [n=flashyy@p57BB70CB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Verlassend"]
19:14 <ivantis> who started this IRC channel?
19:15 <ivantis> ok, now guess my track
19:15 <ivantis> what am i listening to?
19:17 <ivantis> ringgg! times up. CHOVE E NAO MOLHA by Unknown from Unknown
19:19 <madmax> o_O that's portuguese (or brazillian)
19:19 <ivantis> yeah, i like brazillian music
19:20 <epsy> MPD_HOST and/or MPD_PORT environment variables are not set
19:20 <epsy> error: problems getting a response from "localhost" on port 6600 : Connection refused
19:20 <epsy> Now Playing:
19:20 <epsy> w00t
19:21 <epsy> ivantis, guru3
19:22 <ct|kyle> epsy: rm -rf /
19:22 <guru3> epsy:
19:22 <guru3> ?
19:22 <epsy> <ivantis> who started this IRC channel?
19:23 <epsy> ct|kyle, hm, good idea, i'll go on
19:30 <ivantis> madmax: you speak portuguese right? what does Gotas De Luar mean? its the name of a song
19:31 <hoax> whats up with ipod Monkey_arma
19:32 <madmax> ivantis: drops of moonlight
19:33 <luke-jr> ivantis: /dev/null I think
19:33 <ct|kyle> #g 2.5*30
19:34 <armabot> ct|kyle: 2.5 * 30 = 75
19:34 <madmax> here's a good UPS: http://www.popgive.com/2008/07/dont-buy-ups-without-warranty.html
19:35 <luke-jr> haha
19:36 <luke-jr> I got a ton of those free
19:36 <luke-jr> with half-usable batteries, even
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19:39 <Monkey_arma> hoax ive seen ipod issues...its overpriced also....
19:39 <Monkey_arma> why not just mp3
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19:41 <ivantis> o
19:42 <ivantis> luke-jr: /dev/null for what?
19:42 <hoax> ipod issues?
19:42 <hoax> both of mine work fine :D
19:42 <luke-jr> ivantis: IIRC, /dev/null founded the channel
19:43 <ivantis> mine works fine
19:43 <ivantis> o
19:43 <hoax> lol ^^
19:43 <ivantis> who else is using XChat? i just got it yesterday
19:43  * hoax is
19:44 <luke-jr> XChat sucks
19:44 <ivantis> #ivantis
19:44 <ivantis> luke-jr what do you use?
19:44 <luke-jr> Konversation
19:44 <hoax> rofl
19:44 <hoax> luke-jr why does xchat suck?
19:44 <ivantis> i am against anything that starts with a capital K
19:44 <luke-jr> it's GTK
19:45 <madmax> chanserv info says it was guru
19:45 <luke-jr> madmax: chanserv founder can be modified
19:45 <luke-jr> madmax: especially since /dev/null disappeared before guru3 came here I think
19:45 <ivantis> #luke-smells
19:45 <armabot> mkzelda just told me that luke-jr smells bad
19:45 <hoax> you dont like c++ or something ?
19:46 <ivantis> that never gets old
19:46 <luke-jr> hoax: I don't like GTK
19:46 <hoax> ok I don't know much about that
19:47 <hoax> when I say much I mean anything
19:47 <ivantis> luke-jr: i made an even better channel than this
19:48 <ivantis> that you are banned from
19:48 <ivantis> ha!
19:48 <luke-jr> you wish
19:48 <ivantis> (not really)
19:48 <ivantis> #armagetroned
19:48 <G5> Flex: He may come to #Armagetron ... or not.
19:49 <luke-jr> ivantis: #anime is better
19:49 <ivantis> luke-jr: #noobs is better for you
19:49 <Flex> hmm ok :)
19:50 <luke-jr> ivantis: there are actually users in my channel
19:51 <hoax> lol luke-jr ive still not watched all of death note yet
19:51 <hoax> I started again where i left off
19:51 <hoax> ill get there in the end
19:51 <luke-jr> ..
19:52 <luke-jr> I've seen so much since Death Note…
19:52 <luke-jr> like Noein
19:52 <luke-jr> and Code Geass
19:52 <hoax> I'm not a big watcher, a mate go me into it
19:52 <hoax> I lose interest quickly really :/
19:52 <luke-jr> Noein was pretty cool
19:52 <luke-jr> it's based on quantum theory stuff
19:52 <luke-jr> lol
19:52 <hoax> ooh
19:53 <hoax> might check that
19:53 <luke-jr> so like the main character, this other guy, and the bad guy are all one person
19:53 <luke-jr> but from different possible futures
19:53 <luke-jr> competing to be the real future
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19:54 <hoax> hah ok
19:54 <guru3> i founded the freenode channel, /dev/null founded the efnet channel
19:54 <hoax> quantum theory is fucked I dont think about it these days
19:54 <luke-jr> guru3: ah
19:54 <luke-jr> lol
19:55 <hoax> hey guru3 you got your results back yet ?
19:55 <guru3> no
19:55 <hoax> well gl
19:55 <hoax> lol
19:56 <hoax> guru3 you in the rock soc by any chance
19:56 <Monkey_arma> guru you founded #freenode???
19:56 <guru3> no
19:57 <guru3> Monkey_arma:
19:57 <luke-jr> lol
19:57 <guru3> no
19:57 <Monkey_arma> ah lol
19:57 <Monkey_arma> get ya
19:57 <guru3> i founded #armagetron on the freenode network
19:57 <Monkey_arma> yey
19:57 <hoax> ok nvm
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20:05  * ivantis has to go
20:06 <ivantis> #bye
20:06 <armabot> Goodbye ivantis :(
20:06 -!- ivantis [n=ivantis@63-245-166-39.kitusa.com] has quit [Client Quit]
20:09 <Lizmatic> #Lizmatic
20:10 <Lizmatic> #ping
20:10 <armabot> Liz <3's Sav
20:10 <armabot> pong
20:11 <madmax> #tea
20:11 <armabot> madmax: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
20:11 -!- Lucifer [n=satan@adsl-68-92-151-50.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #armagetron
20:25 <Lizmatic> #tea
20:25 <armabot> Lizmatic: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
20:25 <Lizmatic> ppl wanna go cafe?
20:26 <Flex> i'll come :p
20:26 <Flex> #tea
20:26 <armabot> Flex: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
20:28 <Lizmatic> okayyy
20:28 <Lizmatic> #tea
20:28 <Lizmatic> :p
20:29 <armabot> Lizmatic: Fortress Café: Players (1/32): Lizmatic
20:29 <Lizmatic> slow armabot
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20:36 <Lizmatic> emmy come cafe!
20:36 <emmy_arma> why?
20:36 <Lizmatic> idk
20:36 <Lizmatic> lOL!
20:37 <emmy_arma> .. i'm busy atm :P
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21:49 <Lizmatic> #tea
21:49 <armabot> Lizmatic: Fortress Café: Players (8/32): hwoarang, Kiwi, Player 1, R1, Sageras, SpeeD (speedx@forums), yo sucka, ~GW~große wurst
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23:21 <armabot> Wireshark: morriss * r25693 /trunk/epan/dissectors/packet-armagetronad.c:
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23:33 <madmax> hmm, armagetron packets are identified in wireshark... since 2005
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23:59 <akira_arma> #tea
23:59 <armabot> akira_arma: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):

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