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Log from 2008-05-20:
--- Day changed Tue May 20 2008
00:02 <Amys> :D
00:02 <Amys> food!
00:02 <Amys> yum yum
00:11 <madmax> yum yum = NOT chicken livers
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00:14 <Amys> nooooo
00:14 <Amys> food = yum yum :D
00:14 <Amys> i have pringles
00:18 -!- Lackadaisical [n=lckdscl@ip202-29-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit ["gone! quit! exit! etc."]
00:19 <epsy> madmax, no you're not
00:20 <Amys> omg its epsy
00:20 <Amys> i remember you
00:20 <epsy> z0mg
00:20  * Amys scorns
00:20 <epsy> do you like potatoes?
00:20 <Amys> :D hehe
00:20 <epsy> xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDd
00:20 <Amys> i do like potatos
00:20 <epsy> :D
00:21 <Amys> do you like potatoes?
00:21  * epsy slaps Amys
00:21 <Amys> ouch
00:21 <Amys> *cries*
00:21 <epsy> well, you poked me
00:22 <epsy> :(
00:22 <Amys> sowi
00:22 <Amys> :(
00:22 <epsy> :-P
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00:22  * Amys hugs it better
00:23 <madmax> epsy: huh?
00:24  * Amys is confused
00:24 <Amys> hello madmax
00:24 <madmax> hello Amys
00:24 <Amys> :)
00:24 <epsy> madmax, you're not (late)
00:30 <Monkey_arma> nice chicken livers
00:30 <Amys> i've never had chicken livers
00:31 <Amys> do you fry them?
00:31 <Monkey_arma> actually they are nice. Not bitter like other livers
00:31 <Monkey_arma> yes i fry them with herbs, spices etc and flour
00:31 <Amys> oooooo
00:31 <Amys> :D
00:32 <Monkey_arma> #lastseen eggcozy
00:32 <armabot> Monkey_arma: eggcozy seems to be on  Wild West  =Team Sumo= right now.
00:32 <Monkey_arma> :0
00:34 <Amys> #lastseen Amys
00:34 <Amys> oooo
00:34 <Amys> doesn't work :(
00:34 <armabot> Amys: timed out
00:34 -!- Rocky_Spirit [i=c813b36a@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3b4521fa6b37cf63] has joined #armagetron
00:34 <Amys> huh
00:34 <Amys> have i? :s
00:34 <Monkey_arma> Amys, that command is for when someone was last on the game servers
00:34 <Monkey_arma> hi Rocky_Spirit
00:35 <Rocky_Spirit> hey
00:35 <Amys> ooooooooooooooooooooooooo
00:35 <Amys> i thought it was on here lol
00:35 <Amys> my bad
00:35 <Monkey_arma> you are a mibbit client so i guess you are smurfing
00:35 <Monkey_arma> #seen amys
00:35 <armabot> Monkey_arma: amys was last seen in #armagetron 2 seconds ago: <Amys> my bad
00:35 <Monkey_arma> there we go
00:35 <Amys> :D
00:35 <Rocky_Spirit> private network
00:35 <Rocky_Spirit> it sucks
00:35 <Amys> coool
00:35 <Monkey_arma> now to guess who rocky is
00:35 <Monkey_arma> hmm
00:35 <Rocky_Spirit> but anyway, I would like to ask something
00:35 <Monkey_arma> ok sure
00:36 <Rocky_Spirit> me and some friends is trying to remove the points lost on suicide, for instance
00:36 <Rocky_Spirit> is there any option for that? or we need to change the code?
00:36 <epsy> SCORE_SUICIDE 0
00:36 <epsy> #armaconfig score_suicide
00:36 <armabot> epsy: SCORE_SUICIDE: Amount of points you get for stupidly dying (default: -4)
00:37 <Rocky_Spirit> and how I change that? the config files?
00:37 <Monkey_arma> add it to settings_custom.cfg
00:38 <Monkey_arma> or alter it in that
00:38 <Rocky_Spirit> ok. thanks
00:38 <Monkey_arma> if it already  is in that
00:38 <Rocky_Spirit> and the points lost on killing a friend? what is the option?
00:39 <K-Yo> .cfg score_teamk
00:39 <K-Yo> #armaconfig score_teamk
00:39 <armabot> K-Yo: Sorry, no matches :S
00:39 <K-Yo> #armaconfig score_team_k
00:39 <armabot> K-Yo: Sorry, no matches :S
00:39 <K-Yo> #armaconfig score_team_
00:39 <armabot> K-Yo: Sorry, no matches :S
00:39 <Monkey_arma> Rocky_Spirit, what game mode?
00:40 <Monkey_arma> fortress/etc
00:40 <Rocky_Spirit> I don't know. the default one
00:40 <K-Yo> #echo Rocky_Spirit Sorry, no matches :S
00:40 <armabot> Rocky_Spirit Sorry, no matches :S
00:40 <epsy> Rocky_Spirit, no such thing :/
00:40 <K-Yo> ;)
00:40 <K-Yo> godd night everyone
00:40 <Rocky_Spirit> we don't know much about armagetron configs
00:40 <epsy> Rocky_Spirit, might do that
00:41 <K-Yo> epsy, that would be cool
00:41 <Rocky_Spirit> but thanks guys, that will do for a while
00:41 <epsy> not before tomorrow, trough, and that would only be in the next release
00:41 <K-Yo> we could put positive tk points on ctwf ;)
00:41 <epsy> one more reason for me to not play on that server
00:41 <K-Yo> :D
00:41 <K-Yo> one more for us not to put you admin xD
00:41 <epsy> ;)
00:41 <K-Yo> allez
00:41 <K-Yo> bonne nuit
00:42 <epsy> bn
00:42 <Monkey_arma> cu
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00:42 <epsy> oublie pas tes chocapics!
00:42 <epsy> ! :(
00:43 <epsy> Rocky_Spirit, except if you use dev versions, of course
00:44 <Monkey_arma> Rocky_Spirit, here is a link to the wiki page with the settings
00:44 <epsy> #armawiki console commands
00:45 <armabot> epsy: Error: 'console' is not a valid integer.
00:45 <epsy> pretty weird to read, trough
00:45 <epsy> #aawiki console commands
00:45 <armabot> epsy: Search took 0.10 seconds: Console Commands - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Console_Commands>; Console - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Console>; Server Administration - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Server_Administration>; Talk: Console Commands - Armagetron (3 more messages)
00:45 <epsy> first link
00:45 <Monkey_arma> nice mess
00:45 <Monkey_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Console_Commands
00:46 <Monkey_arma> but yes, *that one*
00:47 <Rocky_Spirit> ok, I'll take a look
00:48 <Monkey_arma> if you still get stuck on any then ask here
00:49  * Amys thinks armabot is very clever
00:49 <Monkey_arma> heh
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00:50 <epsy> #eliza you are stupid
00:50 <armabot> epsy: Why do you say i are stupid?
00:50 <epsy> Amys, sure?
00:50 <Monkey_arma> #slap armabot
00:50 <armabot> Monkey_arma slaps armabot for being a raving moron.
00:51 -!- eggcozy [i=59b01963@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-65bb5038451c032f] has joined #armagetron
00:51 <eggcozy> there we go
00:51 <epsy> hi
00:51 <eggcozy> hi
00:52 <eggcozy> i use irc one a year. still takes me 5 minutes to log on :/
00:52 <Monkey_arma> yo egg
00:52 <Monkey_arma> hah
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00:55  * Amys thinks you lot are being mean to armabot
00:55  * Amys hugs armabot
00:55 <Amys> is there a hug function? :d
00:55 <Monkey_arma> #hug armabot
00:55 <Monkey_arma> we can make one
00:55 <Amys> there should be one
00:55 <Amys> :D
00:57 <epsy> armabot is a she btw
00:57 <epsy> says wrtlprnft, owner of the bot
00:57 <Monkey_arma> heh
00:57 <Monkey_arma> epsy setup a hug funtion
00:58 <epsy>  #alias hug echo message
00:58 <Monkey_arma> i know
00:58 <Monkey_arma> but we need to put 2 variables in too
00:58 <Monkey_arma> names of hugger and huggee
00:58 <epsy> #help serverdetails
00:58 <armabot> epsy: (serverdetails <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "fetch http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/serverdetails.php?name=@1+@2+@3+@4+@5+@6+@7+@8+@9".
00:58 <Amys> :D
00:58 <epsy> #echo $who
00:58 <armabot> epsy
00:59 <Amys> armabot isn't a very girly name though
00:59 <epsy> more like a bot name
00:59 <Amys> yeah
00:59 <Amys> so it can't be a girl
00:59 <Amys> =/
01:00 <Monkey_arma> how about "amybot"
01:00 <Amys> lol
01:00 <Amys> noooooo
01:00 <epsy> /admin rename ;)
01:00 <epsy> #lastseen -g \:*()
01:00 <armabot> epsy: Monkey has last been seen on ¦×¦.Team.Sumo.Server 9 days 7 hours 9 minutes ago.
01:00 <epsy> :D
01:00 <Monkey_arma> whaaaat
01:00 <epsy> #lastseen -g epsy@x
01:00 <armabot> epsy: ¦×¦epsy has last been seen on Fortress Café 8 days 1 hour 13 minutes ago.
01:00 <epsy> #lastseen -g z0mgz0r@z0mgz0rz
01:00 <armabot> epsy: |G| epsy has last been seen on ¦×¦.Team.Sumo.Server 9 days 1 hour 41 minutes ago.
01:01 <epsy> lol xD
01:01  * epsy hides his GID too much :P
01:01  * Amys is very very confused
01:01 <epsy> geeky stuff
01:01 <Monkey_arma> yes
01:02 <Amys> okay :)
01:02 <Monkey_arma> if you understand it you need to be shot
01:02 <Amys> i live!
01:02 <epsy> something no one else except arma devs(and still, i doubt it) know about
01:02 <epsy> or better, understand
01:02 <Amys> are you a developer then?
01:03 <epsy> the access level stuff is so messed up..
01:03 <epsy> i am
01:03 <Amys> :D
01:03 <Amys> is monkey?
01:03  * epsy blames z-man-work(still working ?!) for that
01:03 <Monkey_arma> me a developer..... LOL
01:03 <Monkey_arma> no im not
01:03 <Amys> is that a no?
01:03 <Amys> oh okay
01:03 <Monkey_arma> :)
01:03 <Monkey_arma> maybe one day i might tidy up the documentaton
01:03 <epsy> there was like 100 bugs which were just bad comparisons of diff. access levels
01:04 <epsy> like victimAccessLevel > adminAccessLevel instead of the opposite
01:04 <epsy> or worse
01:05 <epsy> adminAccessLevel > requiredAccessLevel
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01:05 <epsy> beceause it is supposed that an admin with a lower access level has a greater power
01:06  * Amys has no idea what epsy is on about
01:06 <epsy> #monologue
01:06 <armabot> epsy: Your current monologue is at least 1 line long.
01:07 <epsy> does Monkey_arma get it?
01:07 <Monkey_arma> nope
01:07 <Amys> :(
01:08 <epsy> right, i'd better sleep then
01:08 <epsy> good night
01:08 <Amys> :o
01:08 <Amys> night night
01:08 <Monkey_arma> gn epsy
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01:10 <Amys> he's gone :(
01:10 <Amys> empty........
01:10 <Amys> except for monkdy
01:10 <Amys> monkey*
01:10 <Amys> :D
01:12 <Monkey_arma> :)
01:12 <Amys> smilie smilie
01:12 <Monkey_arma> *:()
01:13 <Monkey_arma> thats the monkey smilie
01:13 <Amys> :D
01:16 <Monkey_arma> we could do with doubling the size of the whole tron community. Small is good but it's a little too small and has been the same for quite a long time
01:16 <Amys> oh
01:16 <Amys> what'd you reckon should be done?
01:17 <Amys> hold a big picnic
01:17 <Amys> marketing!
01:17 <Amys> put banners up everywhere on the web?
01:17 <Amys> :D
01:17  * Amys likes picnics
01:18 <Monkey_arma> well we dont want fools
01:18 <Monkey_arma> so some way of getting half-sensible people
01:19 <Amys> hmm..
01:19 <Monkey_arma> picnics are nice
01:22 <Amys> maybe put some stuff on youtube?
01:22 <Amys> like armagetron videos of people playing
01:22 <Monkey_arma> hah 2020 already did that
01:23 <Amys> it might get armagetron more intrest
01:23 <Amys> oh
01:23 <Amys> :(
01:23 <Monkey_arma> thats probably why no one else has joined
01:23 <Amys> what happened?
01:23 <Amys>  oh dear :(
01:23 <Monkey_arma> well hes a little bit nuts
01:23 <Monkey_arma> he makes us lot look semi-normal
01:23 <Monkey_arma> but he works in a school so he has got them playing it there
01:25 <Amys> ooooooo
01:25 <Amys> :D
01:25 <Monkey_arma> not sure whether thats a good or bad thing...
01:25 <Monkey_arma> i guess good
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01:32 <Amys> its a good thing
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02:18 <Amys> :(
02:18 <Amys> tis alll empty
02:19 <Monkey_arma> yep
02:20 <Amys> can i send you a pm Monkey_arma ? :D
02:21 <Monkey_arma> sure
02:43 -!- Stewie-arma [n=Stewie-a@cpe-76-88-47-247.san.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron
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03:00 -!- Rocky_Spirit [n=rocky@201009073029.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #armagetron
03:00 <Lucifer> Can I send you one too, Monkey_arma (hi there!) ?
03:00 <Monkey_arma> haha
03:00 <Monkey_arma> sure if you want
03:00 <Monkey_arma> wb Rocky_Spirit
03:00 <Rocky_Spirit> hey there
03:00 <Lucifer> ok, well, I'll keep that in mind in case I ever want to
03:01 <Monkey_arma> its only valid for 5 seconds
03:01 <Monkey_arma> 3
03:01 <Monkey_arma> 2
03:01 <Monkey_arma> 1
03:01 <Monkey_arma> 0
03:01 <Monkey_arma> expired
03:01 <Monkey_arma> yes you can if you want whenever
03:02 <Rocky_Spirit> I'm back to ask something else. but this time a developer related thing
03:02 <Monkey_arma> well Lucifer is your man
03:02 <Lucifer> am not!
03:03 <Lucifer> I don't know anything about programming
03:03 <Rocky_Spirit> well... I don't even know who are the developers around here...
03:03 <Lucifer> now, let's see if I can add an export feature to my accounting program....
03:03 <Lucifer> Rocky_Spirit: best thing to do is to just ask, and wait, and whenever a developer shows up, they'll answer, hopefully
03:03 <Lucifer> if you can't wait, ask on the forums instead
03:04 <Rocky_Spirit> nah, I can wait. I think
03:04 <Lucifer> but never EVER expect to get an instant answer in IRC :)
03:04 <Rocky_Spirit> yeah, I'm used to that
03:04 <Lucifer> I think most/all of the arma developers are in here and will hopefully see eventually
03:04 <Rocky_Spirit> anyway, I wanted to know what is people position about having some interface improvements
03:04 <Rocky_Spirit> like not depending on those config files and having a menu for all that
03:04 <Lucifer> depends on the improvements, I suppose
03:05 <Lucifer> heh, we have to have config files :)
03:05 <Rocky_Spirit> I mean
03:05 <Lucifer> how much work are you willing to do to improve the interface?
03:05 <Rocky_Spirit> the user interface
03:05 <Rocky_Spirit> not the server
03:05 <Rocky_Spirit> I know the config files are needed
03:05 <Lucifer> how much work are you willing to do to improve the interface?
03:05 <Rocky_Spirit> but the thing is, it is horrible to have to change config files to the user
03:05  * Lucifer doesn't like saying things twice....
03:05 <Rocky_Spirit> calm down
03:05 <Rocky_Spirit> let me type :)
03:06 <Rocky_Spirit> one of the improvements would be develop a menu for all the config files(user based. not server. the config files still would be there)
03:06  * luke-jr has never had to edit config files as a player
03:06 <Rocky_Spirit> the second one is a "Restart match now" and a option for not balacing the teams, if it isn't there in the files
03:07 <luke-jr> hey, those 2 are already in the UI too!
03:07 <Lucifer> um, none of that answers my question :)
03:07 <Lucifer> so I"ll ask a different one
03:07 <Rocky_Spirit> and lastly, a option for the server to change someone from a team to another without any checks
03:07 <Lucifer> have you looked at arma's ui code?
03:07 <Rocky_Spirit> yeah, a bit
03:08 <Monkey_arma> To be fair constructive criticism  is a good thing
03:08 <Lucifer> so, would you be more, or less understanding if I say that we really need to rewrite the ui code and aren't really interested in ui improvements on the old code?
03:08 <Lucifer> doesn't mean we're not interested in code...
03:08 <Rocky_Spirit> nah, I get what you mean
03:09 <Lucifer> so back to my other question :)
03:09 <Monkey_arma> well to fair again, his suggestions (if they are good) could be implemented in the new code
03:09 <Lucifer> how much work are you willing to do to improve the interface?
03:09 <Rocky_Spirit> I don't know. a lot maybe
03:09 <Lucifer> Monkey_arma: the UI we want will allow people to implement just about anything they want
03:09 <Monkey_arma> contributing suggestions is still contributing to arma
03:09 <Rocky_Spirit> depending on how fun armagetron can still be with my friends
03:09 <Monkey_arma> ok
03:09 <Monkey_arma> well Lucifer the best response would be to tell him that
03:10 <Monkey_arma> ok Rocky_Spirit apparently, the new UI will allow people to implement just about anything they want
03:10 <Lucifer> Monkey_arma: here you go again.  "Lucifer, you're being mean, quit that.  I still don't know what I'm talking about, but let me tell you what you should say"
03:10 <Lucifer> Monkey_arma: riddle me this:
03:10 <Lucifer> Monkey_arma: how frustrating do you think we find it when people ask for shit that we can't deliver because we're bogged down by code that won't deliver it?
03:10 <Monkey_arma> i didnt say you are being mean
03:10 <Lucifer> do you think we like telling people "no, you can't have that"?
03:11 <Monkey_arma> you have just said that he can have that
03:11 <Monkey_arma> when the new code is done
03:11 <Rocky_Spirit> so the reason the ui is not so good is because of decisions made on the start?
03:11 <Lucifer> no, I'm trying to find out if he's interested in contributing to the new code
03:11 <Monkey_arma> Rocky_Spirit, basically the old ui code is crap
03:11 <Monkey_arma> and the new code will solve your wishes
03:11 <Lucifer> if he wants to wait until it's done, this conversation is over :)
03:12 <Monkey_arma> however instead of telling you this he is trying to get you to write the new code
03:12 <Rocky_Spirit> is there any work done on this new ui?
03:12 <Lucifer> YES, EXACTLY!  :)
03:12 <Monkey_arma> which is fair enough, but he should have answered you first
03:12 <Lucifer> Rocky_Spirit: there's a construction site for it, of sorts
03:12 <Rocky_Spirit> construction site?
03:12 <Lucifer> Monkey_arma: what should I have answered first?  And how should I have answered it?
03:13 <Monkey_arma> Lucifer, you should have said "yes that will be in the new code.....and if you want to help to write the new code then it will be here quicker"
03:13 <Lucifer> Rocky_Spirit: yeah, there's an event manager in there that needs to be fleshed out some more, and then we need to get existing input running through the event manager
03:13 <Lucifer> Monkey_arma: in all the years I've been around here, my experience is that that answer pushes people away
03:13 <Lucifer> and that the best approach is to first find out how much work someone wants to do, because if they don't want to do any, I've got other things to do with my time
03:14 <Rocky_Spirit> is that code on svn?
03:14 <Lucifer> Rocky_Spirit: it's in the trunk, and svn is really deprecated for real work.  Use bazaar :)
03:14 <Monkey_arma> ok so hook them first then answer....you would make a good salesman
03:14 <Monkey_arma> or drug dealer
03:14 <Lucifer> Monkey_arma: heh, actually it's more like find out first if the conversation is worth my time :)
03:14 <Rocky_Spirit> bazaar?
03:14  * Rocky_Spirit googles
03:14 <Lucifer> Rocky_Spirit: yeah, it's a distributed scm
03:15 <Lucifer> the main branch is on launchpad, lemme dig up a url
03:15 <Rocky_Spirit> you know the port this bazaar uses?
03:15 <Rocky_Spirit> just to know if I can use this at a private network
03:16 <Lucifer> https://code.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/trunk-armagetronad-work
03:16 <Lucifer> hmmm, it connects out to an ssh port, I think
03:16 <Rocky_Spirit> good
03:16 <Lucifer> no, I lie, it uses http to get the branch
03:16 <Rocky_Spirit> even better
03:17 <Rocky_Spirit> but the svn trunk is the same as the bazaar one?
03:18 <Lucifer> yeah, actually, we're supposed to be pushing to the bazaar trunk, and then z-man has a script that syncs it with svn
03:18 <Lucifer> basically, we switched to bazaar to help people like you that want to contribute code
03:18 <Lucifer> to do so, you make your own branch of the trunk and commit to it, and then make it available to the world
03:19 <Lucifer> when you do that, we can pull from your branch when we're ready to take patches and stuff, and you can pull from the trunk to keep your code up to date with the mainline development
03:19 <Lucifer> bazaar is really cool, and svn is The Suck
03:19 <Rocky_Spirit> interesting
03:20 <Monkey_arma> svn the suck is harsh..but it cant do decentralised version control
03:20 <Monkey_arma> where as bazaar can do both
03:20 <Lucifer> which reminds me, I keep intending to branch the trunk again to work on an scons-based build system
03:20 <Lucifer> heh
03:20 <Monkey_arma> cvs and arch are apparently the suck
03:21 <Lucifer> I use svn still on my private server :)
03:21 <Lucifer> cvs really sucks, but arch is supposed to be the best, but poorly documented
03:21 <Lucifer> and it's a cathedral development model
03:21 <Lucifer> bazaar is, well, a bazaar development model :)
03:21 <Monkey_arma> oO
03:22 <Lucifer> if everybody used bazaar, forks would be irrelevant, and people could mix and match from each other's branches all they wanted :)
03:22 <Lucifer> Monkey_arma: you haven't read the Cathedral and the Bazaar?  ;)
03:22 <Monkey_arma> no i havent
03:23 <Lucifer> you should google it up, it's the essay that bazaar takes its name from
03:23 <Monkey_arma> :\
03:23 <Monkey_arma> maybe one day
03:23 <Monkey_arma> for now though its bed for me
03:23 <Monkey_arma> need my beauty sleep...
03:24 <Monkey_arma> gn all
03:24 <Lucifer> 'night
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03:26 <Rocky_Spirit> erm Lucifer. you talked about changes on the ui, but if I were to do any work on it, what should I know about what is being done?
03:26 <Lucifer> that nobody's working on it right now?  :)
03:26 <Lucifer> you should know what the plan is, and I've given a really basic run down of it
03:27 <Lucifer> basically, we want to use an event loop to pass information around and get rid of most of the callback stuff that's going on
03:27 <Lucifer> there's plenty of room to talk about how the event loop should look, what paradigm it should follow, etc.  Also plenty of room for new innovative ideas on how to run an event loop
03:28 <Lucifer> but at the core, we need to be able to take input, turn it into some generalized object, and send it to a receiver to deal with
03:28 <Lucifer> then we should have regular paint calls and stuff to UI objects to tell them to paint and stuff
03:28 <Rocky_Spirit> so the idea is the to have a centralized object and then its "slaves"
03:28 <Lucifer> so, we take input, send it to the UI object, the UI object takes action and does what it needs to do, whatever that is
03:28 <Rocky_Spirit> *is to have...
03:29 <Lucifer> then we have to build up a widget library of our own (we've looked at several, and if you're interested in surveying them all again, you're welcome to do that)
03:29 <Lucifer> I've got a fair amount of experience with widget libraries and guis and will probably have no problems finding time to lay down some groundwork on the widget library
03:29 <Lucifer> but that's the easy part, anyway.  The hard part is getting the existing input/signaling mechanisms turned into an event-based system
03:30 <Rocky_Spirit> that is gonna need a lot of rewriting
03:30 <Lucifer> hmm, I wouldn't say it's a centralized object and slaves, but that's not a bad concept view to have at this time
03:30 <Lucifer> yes, it will be a pretty complete rewrite.
03:31 <Lucifer> so, depending on how you want to do this, if you want to do it, I can make my own branch for it and stick it up on launchpad and you can get a launchpad account,
03:31 <Lucifer> or you can make your own branch and put it wherever you want
03:31 <Lucifer> when the widget library has reached a certain point, adding new UI widgets will be fairly easy, and having really expressive UI widgets is the goal
03:32 <Lucifer> we can't really have a progressbar, or a dial, or simple checkboxes and comboboxes and crap with what we have
03:32 <Rocky_Spirit> I'm pretty interested on working on this. but I can't say if I'll
03:32 <Lucifer> well, the task you'll want to pursue to give us a push is "Get the event manager up and running, taking input events and sending them out to the rest of the system as it is"
03:33 <Lucifer> with the event manager up and running, someone (me, probably) could write a generic widget that wraps all the existing UI
03:33 <Lucifer> then it's like pushing on a tube of toothpaste until it all comes out
03:34 <Lucifer> ultimately, we'll want third-party scripts to be able to extend the UI, and that's where the "you can have whatevver you want" promise kicks in
03:34 <Lucifer> we'll still try to make people happy, of course, and add good UI stuff, heh.  ;)
03:38 <Rocky_Spirit> looks good but I didn't expect a rewrite of armagetron code when I came here
03:38 <Lucifer> heh
03:38 <Lucifer> we've got a real problem with some of the code laying around, making adding simple stuff really difficult
03:38 <Rocky_Spirit> me and some friends worked a little on the stable version to some of the ui changes I said before
03:39 <Rocky_Spirit> and we thought the code weren't so bad...
03:39 <Lucifer> dn't get me wrong, there's a lot of wonderful code in there, and we want to keep the great stuff that's there
03:39 <Lucifer> afaik, the UI code is universally despised
03:39 <Rocky_Spirit> ahh
03:41 <Lucifer> so, keybinds should be resolved at the time the event is created, so widgets listening for things like "turn left" can listen for "turn left" ins
03:41 <Lucifer> -ins
03:42 <Stewie-arma> would you guys mind not typing so much next time?
03:43  * Lucifer whacks Stewie-arma (hi there!) 
03:45 <Rocky_Spirit> well... I'll be going for now
03:45 <Rocky_Spirit> later
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03:47 <Stewie-arma> hmmm
03:47 <Stewie-arma> that whack didn't seem to do much...
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03:48 <@Lucifer> feel whacked now?
03:48 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o Lucifer] by Lucifer
03:50 <Stewie-arma> semi
03:51 <Stewie-arma> it's still soaking in right now...
03:55 <Lucifer> grrrrrrrrrrrrr
03:55 <Lucifer> global variables are EVIL EVIL EVIL!
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08:06 <armabot> Stewie-arma: The current temperature in La Jolla Shores, La Jolla, California is 68.4°F (10:30 PM PDT on May 19, 2008). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 55.4°F. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Rising).
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17:21 <Monkey_arma> peeeepsiii
17:22 <hoax> dE
17:23 <epsy> hi
17:23 <Monkey_arma> hi
17:24 <P4> hi
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22:22 <epsy> z-man-work, hi
22:23 <epsy> z-man-work, in the svn repo there is an auth server package, right?
22:24 <epsy> z-man-work, i'd like to access it from bzr, would that be possible?
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23:20 <madmax> #tea
23:20 <armabot> madmax: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
23:21 <Monkey_arma> :(
23:22 <KeY_3113> :(
23:22 <KeY_3113> #armaservers
23:22 <armabot> KeY_3113: This data is 45 seconds old; The Tavern (10/16), ¦Ã¦.Team.Sumo.Server (9/16), Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (9/14), - | D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d | - (8/16), [] Cheers! [] The friendly server. (8/12), Wild West  =Capture The Flag= (7/10), ~\Auctorita Clan DF Server/~ (7/8), Norm's Place (7/12), |FA| BLACK ICE (5/16), Wild West  =Fortress Shootout= (5/12), >>> FAST TRACK RELOADED (VERY (2 more messages)
23:22 <KeY_3113> #si o.s
23:22 <armabot> KeY_3113: ¦×¦.Team.Sumo.Server: Players (9/16): .h0uz3, /dev/null/h4ck, dr.fux, GoInVeR (GoInVeR@x), O--->, schwuli, ß|AoS|, ~|DS|~ Fabi, ¦×¦xs20 (xs20@x)
23:25 <madmax> so, anyone for Cafe?
23:26 <Monkey_arma> we were just in there
23:26 <Monkey_arma> you missed it
23:27 <madmax> right.
23:27 <madmax> #tea
23:28 <armabot> madmax: Fortress Café: Players (3/32): /dev/null/h4ck, madmax (madmax@forums), ~|DS|~ Fabi
23:34 <StickyNoob> #lastseen Sticky
23:34 <armabot> StickyNoob: Sticky Bit has last been seen on Norm's Place 23 hours 4 minutes ago.
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23:41 <epsy> manuel__:
23:41 <epsy> <epsy> z-man-work, hi
23:41 <epsy> <epsy> z-man-work, in the svn repo there is an auth server package, right?
23:41 <epsy> <epsy> z-man-work, i'd like to access it from bzr, would that be possible?
23:42 <manuel__> No, it's not in bzr.
23:42 -!- manuel__ is now known as z-man
23:42 <z-man> And the way bzr-svn works, you can't easily add branches.
23:43 <epsy> hmm
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23:44 <epsy> #svn
23:44 <armabot> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname>(more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN)
23:45 <epsy> the URL for uploading is simple the https one right?
23:46 <z-man> yes.
23:46 <epsy> okey :)
23:53 <epsy> good night
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