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Log from 2007-12-15:
--- Day changed Sat Dec 15 2007
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00:45 <luke-jr> http://dashjr.org/~armastats-srv/a.php
00:53 <P4> luke-jr: Sorry! We found the following errors - http://42.pl/u/wLi & http://42.pl/u/wLj
00:53 <P4> ^^
00:53 <luke-jr> wtf?
00:53 <luke-jr> o
00:53 <luke-jr> emdash is invalid? :x
00:54 <luke-jr> screw that
00:54 <P4> thought you checked it when placing that banners :)
00:55 <luke-jr> I did
00:55 <luke-jr> before emdash was there
00:55 <luke-jr> fixed
00:55 <luke-jr> I replaced it with a literal emdash
00:55 <luke-jr> screw entities
00:56 <P4> that's better :)
00:56 <luke-jr> as for the CSS validator, I think that's a bug
00:56 <luke-jr> the error makes no sense
00:56 <luke-jr> the line is correct
00:59 <P4> how you count that rating?
01:19 <luke-jr> Glicko2
01:27 <luke-jr> P4: 164.   ctxp4     1486  -  1540     1482  -  1536
01:27 <luke-jr> is that you>
01:27 <luke-jr> ?
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01:35 <P4> right
01:35 <P4> hmm
01:37 <P4> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/playerstats2.htm ← 68.CT׵4 and 203.CT׶3 (75:52+51h:20m), i used to be known by scripts this way
01:37 <P4> oO
01:37 <P4> how does your rating works?
01:38 <luke-jr> that would be useful code to add
01:38 <luke-jr> how does it alias people?
01:38 <luke-jr> P4: http://math.bu.edu/people/mg/glicko
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01:39 <P4> ah, got to check it after smoke ;)
01:42 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: ping
02:08 <luke-jr> 139.   ctxp4     1502  -  1555     1482  -  1536
02:09 <luke-jr> P4: getting better
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03:26 <luke-jr> #lastseen ♡
03:26 <armabot> luke-jr: Illegal mix of collations (latin1_general_ci,IMPLICIT) and (utf8_general_ci,COERCIBLE) for operation 'like'
03:26 <luke-jr> …
03:26 <luke-jr> o
03:26 <luke-jr> would someone do that for me?
03:26 <luke-jr> I need a < 3
03:27 <luke-jr> #echo [concat < 3]
03:27 <armabot> <3
03:27 <luke-jr> #lastseen [concat < 3]
03:27 <armabot> luke-jr: Emily<3u! has last been seen on The Lobster Cage 9 hours 29 minutes ago.
03:27 <luke-jr> thx armabot
03:27 <luke-jr> but that's not ♡
03:27 <luke-jr> #lastseen [concat ^< 3$]
03:27 <armabot> luke-jr: timed out
03:27 <luke-jr> #lastseen [concat ^< 3$]
03:27 <luke-jr> -.-
03:27 <armabot> luke-jr: timed out
03:39 <libervisco> luke-jr, can rubber be specified in-game on the server?
03:39 <luke-jr> yes
03:39 <libervisco> good
03:39 <libervisco> thanks
03:39 <luke-jr> if you set ADMIN_PASS to "foobar"
03:39 <luke-jr> you can say /login foobar
03:39 <libervisco> cool
03:39 <luke-jr> and then /admin CYCLE_RUBBER 10
03:40 <luke-jr> or you can apply changes from the web interface in realtime
03:40 <libervisco> I'm finally putting the rules in the wiki from here: http://www.nuxified.org/topic/organizing_armagetron_advanced_final_part
03:40 <luke-jr> libervisco: http://dashjr.org/~armastats-srv/a.php
03:40 <libervisco> I'll be calling for the start of the tourney
03:40 <libervisco> It should start next week
03:41 <libervisco> What's live and official there?
03:41 <libervisco> And how does that apply to this tourney?
03:44 <libervisco> Recommended time between turns?
03:44 <libervisco> Nobody said anything so..
03:44 <libervisco> I'm assuming people are fine with anything there by now.. I did link to the AA forum thread
03:45 <luke-jr> live is "now"
03:45 <luke-jr> official is "end of last rating period"
03:45 <libervisco> I see
03:45 <luke-jr> what is "time between turns"?
03:45 <luke-jr> oh, CYCLE_DELAY
03:45 <libervisco> I think I might have solved the rubber controversy :)
03:45 <luke-jr> 0.000001 ☺
03:45 <libervisco> yeah
03:45 <libervisco> ok
03:45 <luke-jr> or 10 LOL
03:45 <luke-jr> really, CYCLE_DELAY is somewhat of a handicap ☹
03:46 <libervisco> http://www.libervis.com/wiki/index.php?title=Armagetron_Advanced_Tournament
03:46 <libervisco> Well that's what we've got now
03:46 <luke-jr> if I can hit Left 2 times 0.001 seconds apart, good for me
03:46 <libervisco> lol
03:46 <libervisco> yeah
03:47 <luke-jr> CYCLE_DELAY means if I can do 0.001 seconds apart, it counts the same as if i could only do 0.01 seconds apart
03:48 <libervisco> ok
03:48 <luke-jr> 你编辑的内容中含有一个新的URL链接;为了免受自动垃圾程序的侵扰,你需要输入显示在下面图片中的文字:
03:48 <luke-jr>  (这是什么?)
03:48 <luke-jr> wtf does that mean
03:48 <libervisco> What do you think about those rules?
03:48 <libervisco> I don't read chinese
03:48 <luke-jr> it's your site
03:48 <libervisco> You're editing?
03:48 <luke-jr> trying to
03:49 <luke-jr> http://www.libervis.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Armagetron_Advanced_Tournament
03:49 <libervisco> oh well, it should ask you the math question, no idea about that
03:49 <libervisco> it's probably for chinese people a feature from mediawiki
03:49 <luke-jr> >.>
03:50 <libervisco> Edited?
03:50 <luke-jr> libervisco: next time you have a tourney, see me about using Glicko2 ;)
03:50 <libervisco> Glicko?
03:50 <luke-jr> it could probably apply just as easily to the other games
03:51 <luke-jr> http://math.bu.edu/people/mg/glicko
03:51 <luke-jr> the rating system used by pro chess
03:51 <luke-jr> and now Armagetron
03:51 <luke-jr> or soon anyhow
03:51 <luke-jr> still have a few bugs to work out
03:51 <luke-jr> and might be a good idea if I calibrate it
03:51 <libervisco> oh well
03:53 <libervisco> Winner will be one reaching 10 points first
03:53 <libervisco> What did you edit?
03:55 <libervisco> Anyway... over the weekend or so I'll probably work on getting the servers up
03:55 <libervisco> and then groups
03:55 <libervisco> out of those who signed up and confirmed
03:55 <luke-jr> I edited the Talk
03:56 <libervisco> guidelines may be slightly modified only based on the number of players because the current setup of qualifiers/tournament fits 12 players best
03:56 <libervisco> Oh 4
03:56 <libervisco> You think it would take too long to reach 10?
03:57 <luke-jr> …
03:57 <luke-jr> no
03:57 <luke-jr> this is Arma score
03:57 <luke-jr> when you win a round, you get 10 points by default
03:58 <luke-jr> heck, if the first to 10 wins, that means the winner of the first round wins
03:58 <luke-jr> even 4 is too high like that
03:58 <libervisco> you lost me
03:58 <luke-jr> when someone wins a round
03:58 <luke-jr> they get 10 points by default
03:58 <libervisco> so how do you resolve that by making it less?
03:59 <luke-jr> #armaconfig score_round
03:59 <armabot> luke-jr: Sorry, no matches :S
03:59 <luke-jr> #armaconfig score_win_
03:59 <armabot> luke-jr: Sorry, no matches :S
03:59 <luke-jr> #armaconfig score_won
03:59 <armabot> luke-jr: Sorry, no matches :S
03:59 <luke-jr> dunno
04:00 <libervisco> Well nothing I specified is my own guess.. it's from feedback from AA players.. the thing with "first to 10 points wins" thing comes from QBrain
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04:00 <libervisco> Of course, I'm open to improving things
04:00 <libervisco> It's still not too late for final feedback on that :)
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04:01 <libervisco> I think I already found the sweet spot regarding rubber :)
04:01 <libervisco> which was apparently the biggest point of division
04:10 <libervisco> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=193444#193444
04:10 <libervisco> luke-jr, if I don't manage to set up an EU server myself I might need one from you :P
04:11 <luke-jr> k
04:11 <luke-jr> I thought someone was letting you use theirs O.o
04:11 <libervisco> yeah, QBrain, but it's high rubber.. and we're now going with something more flexible
04:11 <libervisco> that is, not locked to either rubber
04:11 <libervisco> well we'll see
04:11 <luke-jr> i c
04:12 <luke-jr> just let me know
04:12 <libervisco> maybe he let's me change rubber
04:12 <libervisco> sure
04:12 <libervisco> I just hope it succeeds
04:12 <libervisco> It might be small and probably fast, but it's something :)
04:12 <libervisco> Next year could be better :)
04:13 <libervisco> Here's a silly FGF07 report ;) http://www.nuxified.org/blog/freedomware_gamefest_2007_special_report
04:17 <libervisco> Relevant part to AA: "And not to forget the last but not least, invisible maid-bots are reported being detected as already sweeping the floors of Armagetron spaces where advanced tron riders will engage each other in a light speed race of reflexes." :)
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07:40 <luke-jr> #last --with 7410
07:40 <armabot> luke-jr: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 32773 messages.
07:40 <luke-jr> O.o
07:44 <luke-jr> CIA is down
07:44 <luke-jr> what was commit 7410 about? O.o
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08:56 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: pong
08:56 <wrtlprnft> simple replacing
08:57 <luke-jr> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/playerstats2.htm
08:57 <luke-jr> how does that work?
08:58 <luke-jr> O.o
08:58 <wrtlprnft> 08:56 <wrtlprnft> simple replacing
08:59 <wrtlprnft> or what exactly do you mean?
08:59 <luke-jr> eh?
08:59 <luke-jr> how does it know who is aka who?
08:59 <wrtlprnft> much the same way arma does
09:00 <luke-jr> 0x aka Ox aka 0x _ _ aka ox------------ aka O_X aka ./ox aka /0 x aka /ox aka ☺0x
09:00 <luke-jr> that's not the same by arma
09:00 <wrtlprnft> it filters color codes
09:00 <luke-jr> I know
09:00 <wrtlprnft> for most nicks it works fine
09:00 <luke-jr> .:] ~ X ~ aka x aka *x* aka +x+ aka :x aka |.×{ aka |.×| aka ~X aka -)x(- aka <X))))~~ aka (-X-) aka .:[ ~ X ~ aka .;] ~ X ~ aka ~| X |~ aka x☺ aka X-
09:01 <luke-jr> but Arma wouldn't see those as the same
09:01 <wrtlprnft> oh, and it replaces punctuation stuff by nothing
09:01 <luke-jr> ah
09:01 <luke-jr> so it wouldn't catch a real rename?
09:01 <wrtlprnft> no, how?
09:01 <luke-jr> i c
09:02 <wrtlprnft> it used to work better when there were more „normal“ nicks
09:02 <luke-jr> it just looks so smart ☺
09:02 <wrtlprnft> O---> aka <|°O°|> aka -ö- aka |<0>| aka -.O aka 0-Oo0oO-0 aka o0o aka [<0>] aka >=o aka o aka /O_o~{()}~o_O\ aka ><(((°> aka ><(((°= aka :o aka =o aka øoø aka -ö, aka OoO aka >:-o aka O---:) aka (o) aka _°_ aka <-O-> aka -0 ( aka ;o aka OoOoO aka 00000 aka <---O aka 0000000 aka O0oO0o aka O---*> aka aka : O aka <-- o --> aka Oo_oO aka ( 0 ) aka (°°°( aka O_____°^°_____O aka 00OO00OO00OO00 aka :0 aka O---\_/ aka 0+°<°/ aka 0°¯0 aka -->O<-- aka ...° aka 0(^_^) aka 0+°=°0 aka O_____°]°^____O aka \:o:/ aka _°^ aka (°±¯) aka // 0 aka 0000 aka 0°°/ aka >=0=< aka O- aka O---\_/> aka _.-.-°- aka o--- :) aka °¯ aka Ö^- aka ( ° ) ( aka .°OoOoO° aka /O_o\~{()}~/o_O aka /\_/\_/\_/\_/\Ö aka /¯-_/°o°\_-¯\ aka 0_)) aka 0o0 aka 0|_| aka <:0> aka <___O aka >:O aka O_____°_°_____O aka °( aka Òæ
09:02 <luke-jr> heh
09:02 <wrtlprnft> lines like that show that it isn't
09:03 <luke-jr> well, for all I know those all are the same
09:03 <luke-jr> seen http://dashjr.org/~armastats-srv/a.php lately? ☺
09:03 <wrtlprnft> actually, do your servers try to reverse-DNS me?
09:04 <luke-jr> no idea, why? O.o
09:04 <wrtlprnft> well, if i haven't looked at one of your pages in the last few hours it takes forever to load
09:04 <wrtlprnft> after that it's mostly fast
09:04 <luke-jr> well, my DNS TTL is set to like 60 I think
09:05 <luke-jr> 300*
09:05 <luke-jr> so it probably isn't cached
09:05 <wrtlprnft> so those are the ratings on your servers?
09:06 <luke-jr> global for a bunch of servers
09:06 <wrtlprnft> a bunch of *your* servers?
09:06 <luke-jr> append ?system=ed for Ed's flower one, for example
09:06 <luke-jr> for all participating servers
09:06 <wrtlprnft> what does it generate the stats from?
09:07 <luke-jr> ladderlog tail script @ http://dashjr.org/~armastats-srv/download/
09:07 <luke-jr> DEATH_FRAG or whatever it's called, right now
09:08 <luke-jr> tail -F ladderlog.txt | ./sendstats.pl username password <-- usage
09:08 <luke-jr> where username/password is something I setup to make sure people can't spoof servers
09:09 <luke-jr> all my nameservers seem to be in the US, BTW; that might be related to your initial delay as well
09:09 <wrtlprnft> all i know is that it's slow
09:11 <wrtlprnft> so it sends all of ladderlog to your server?
09:12 <wrtlprnft> or does $filter have anything to do with what's send
09:12 <wrtlprnft> perl is pretty much unreadable to my eyes
09:12 <luke-jr> it tails ladderlog; past actions are ignored
09:12 <luke-jr> $filter/argv⚂ is for CONSOLE_LADDER_LOG
09:12 <wrtlprnft> ?
09:13 <luke-jr> if CONSOLE_LADDER_LOG is true, it can tail the armagetron.log instead and filter out [L] entries
09:13 <luke-jr> I use it for plugging into servers I host
09:14 <luke-jr> or rather, filter *in* the [L] entries, and discard the rest
09:14 <luke-jr> that way I don't get sent chats for example
09:14 <luke-jr> or admin pass attempts etc
09:14 <luke-jr> for someone who can't read Perl too well, tailing ladderlog is probably safer ☺
09:15 <wrtlprnft> well, i might give it a try
09:15 <wrtlprnft> at least it doesn't look like it's reading stuff from the server and directly passing it to sh
09:16 <luke-jr> lol, it shouldn't
09:16 <luke-jr> should just pass it to stdout
09:16 <luke-jr> or stderr, I forget
09:16 <luke-jr> want me to setup an account for cafe?
09:17 <wrtlprnft> grr, if that function was indented i'd have had a much easier time figuring out the order of things
09:17 <wrtlprnft> sure
09:17 <luke-jr> which one?
09:17 <luke-jr> ?system=____ <-- pick a lowercase shortname ☺
09:17 <wrtlprnft> well, the only function in that file
09:17 <luke-jr> oh, doConnect
09:17  * luke-jr hasn't looked at it in a few days
09:18 <wrtlprnft> what about cafe?
09:19 <wrtlprnft> would seem logical to me
09:19 <luke-jr> k
09:20 <luke-jr> IM'd your pass
09:21 <wrtlprnft> well, it's running
09:21 <wrtlprnft> no idea if it works
09:21 <luke-jr> the script handles autoreconnect etc
09:21 <wrtlprnft> i noticed
09:21 <luke-jr> yeah, I see you auth'd
09:22 <luke-jr> maybe I should add a warn on a successful connection
09:23 <luke-jr> currently, you'd need to run it without the tail and type 'ping' to get 'pong'
09:25 <luke-jr> if you want to add a warning, it would go at the bottom of doConnect
09:25 <luke-jr> last line is fine
09:26 <wrtlprnft> echo ping >>~armagetronad/cafe/var/ladderlog.txt
09:26 <wrtlprnft> pong
09:26 <wrtlprnft> got it :D
09:26 <luke-jr> ☺
09:27 <luke-jr> for reference, that won't always work :þ
09:27 <luke-jr> oh
09:27 <luke-jr> yes it will
09:27 <luke-jr> echo ping | ./sendstats … won't
09:27 <luke-jr> because ping is followed by EOF before it gets the pong
09:27 <luke-jr> EOF = exit
09:28 <wrtlprnft> (echo ping; sleep 5) | ./sendstats
09:28 <luke-jr> ☺
09:28 <luke-jr> I've done that before
09:29 <luke-jr> except I used {}
09:29 <luke-jr> () spawns a third process
09:43 <wrtlprnft> who cares?
09:43 <luke-jr> :þ
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11:50 <guru3> alas, my palm trees :<
11:59 <luke-jr> palm trees? O.o
11:59 <luke-jr> what's wrong with them?
12:02 <guru3> my cool desert island
12:02 <guru3> is getting blasted with a hurricane
12:03 <luke-jr> nah, not that bad is it?
12:04 <guru3> a tropical depression at the least
12:04 <luke-jr> maybe I should have just ignored him in my original post
12:04 <guru3> ahh well it's ok i suppose
12:06 <luke-jr> fwiw, the severe shortage of time on my part and observing the project has made me see that sometimes a hacky solution is better than no solution (which is what we get when everyone's trying to do more than they have time for)
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12:07 <guru3> we're just coasting along nicely i think
12:08 <luke-jr> maybe for a release in 3 years at the current rate and status of trunk :\
12:08 <guru3> that's ok
12:08 <luke-jr> ☺
12:12 <luke-jr> guru3: did you see my ratings page?
12:12 <luke-jr> http://dashjr.org/~armastats-srv/a.php
12:13 <guru3> looks interesting
12:13 <luke-jr> somewhere between 5-15 servers participating ☺
12:13 <luke-jr> my rating is pretty crappy tho ☹
12:13 <luke-jr> #rating luke-jr
12:13 <armabot> luke-jr: luke-jr's current rating is 1373-1430 (from 1347-1411)
12:14 <guru3> i don't think i'm rated at all -_-
12:14 <luke-jr> heh, you should play more :þ
12:14 <luke-jr> still "Tank Program"?
12:14 <guru3> yeah
12:14 <luke-jr> #rating tank_program
12:14 <armabot> luke-jr: I don't know anything about 'tank_program'!
12:14 <luke-jr> ☹
12:16 <luke-jr> guru3: btw, did I ask a question? O.o
12:16  * luke-jr is confused by that
12:16 <guru3> wha?
12:16 <luke-jr> Lucifer said I asked a serious question… but I don't remember asking ANYTHING ☹
12:16 <guru3> hmm
12:16  * guru3 can't remember
12:17 <luke-jr> unless the glass thing is serious
12:17 <luke-jr> O.o
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20:17 <ghableska> #weather 50266
20:17 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 17.8°F (1:17 PM CST on December 15, 2007). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 10.4°F. Windchill: 8.6°F. Pressure: 29.09 in 985.0 hPa (Falling).
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20:38 <K-Yo> .tea
20:38 <K-Yo> #tea
20:38 <armabot> K-Yo: Fortress Café: Players (6/32): aho, cttxK-Yo, Jordi, kiver, Luzifer, ~cOw~
20:38 <K-Yo> that's a fake luzifer
20:42 <K-Yo> #ls luzifer
20:42 <armabot> K-Yo: timed out
20:43 <K-Yo> ok
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21:40 <Sticky_> #tea
21:40 <armabot> Sticky_: Fortress Café: Players (10/32): Cheeto, Galleta, Lackadaisical, Longball|MBC, pavelo, SpinAce, ~*$P*~NotoriouS, ~*SP*~PsYkO, ~|DS|~ judders, ¦×¦ Hoax
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