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--- Day changed Fri Jul 20 2007
00:29 <spidey> erm
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01:02 <spidey> http://www.freetalklive.com/tunein.php
01:11 <Lucifer_work> ?
01:13 <spidey> ?
01:27 <Lucifer_work> ??
01:27 <Lucifer_work> ??
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01:46 <Lucifer_work> er
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02:28 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
02:29 <armabot> pong
02:29 <spidey> #pong
02:29 <spidey> bastard :(
02:30 <Your_mom_arma> haha
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02:55 <Vanhayes> spidey: Lucifer_work luke-jr Your_mom_arma up for a game of freeciv later on tonight?
03:01 <Your_mom_arma> Pong, maybe... if you can get a game together.
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04:59 * digitx is away (bye)
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06:39 <Lucifer_arma> damn, mom was here and I missed him
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> anybody know how to safely discharge a computer power supply for complete disassembly?
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06:42 <dmb> Lucifer_arma: what i would do is take out the plug, and then press the power button
06:42 <dmb> it will click on then turn off once dishcharced
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> there's an idea
06:42 <dmb> but i don't know if its completely discharched though
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> it's an AT supply, so it's got a real switch attached to it
06:43 <dmb> hmm
06:43 <dmb> don't rely on what i say though, i don't know if it completely discharges
06:43 <dmb> but thats what i'v done before
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> well, I've got a page here telling me to discharge every capacitor one at a time :/
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> with stuff I don't have, so I'll have to take it to work to do it (where we have all the stuff)
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> I need to get at a transformer that's in pretty much the middle of the board, and I want to take the rest of the stuff off and put it in bags and keep for future use :)
06:45 * Lucifer_arma is dirt-broke and can't buy new electronics gear, but wants to fool with the stuff
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I figure all the parts I need to build a small power supply for my weed eater are probably in this power supply
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> is there any part besides capacitors that will keep energy?
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> also, it appears that if the thing sits unpowered for a long time, it'll lose it's stored-up electricity, and it has sat unpowered for a long time
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> I guess it doesn't matter a whole lot tonight anyway, since I failed to find my soldering iron and am not even sure I still have it
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07:13 <Lucifer_arma> heh, found my soldering iron :)
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07:36 <wrtlprnft> why the hell does the grinding page on the wiki link to the tron movie?
07:37 <wrtlprnft> no CYCLE_ACCEL there…
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08:16 <spidey> hm
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08:57 <spidey> http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/5420/lolzl4.jpg
08:57 <spidey> that sucks :(
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09:31 <Lucifer_arma> looks like you have room, though
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10:56 <epsy> hi
11:01 <spidey> popups man...
11:01 <spidey> i don't have a popup blocker so i can get mother fucking popups about popup blockers!
11:02 <epsy> erm...use firefox ? opera ?
11:02 <spidey> i'm using firefox....
11:02 <epsy> "pwnt"
11:02 <spidey> -.-
11:02 <epsy> are you on wingblows ?
11:03 <spidey> that has nothing to do with getting popups...
11:03 <epsy> what fucking site are you getting popups on ?
11:03 <epsy> you have adblock installed, right ?
11:03 <spidey> can't sa :p
11:03 <spidey> say*
11:04 <epsy> here is your problem :p
11:04 <spidey> ?
11:04 <epsy> nvm
11:04 <epsy> <epsy> you have adblock installed, right ?
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11:28 <P4> #serverinfo arena
11:28 <armabot> P4: ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit}: No online players.
11:28 <P4> #serverinfo ps
11:28 <armabot> P4: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “ps” at the moment, sorry.
11:29 <hoop_tron> howhowhow
11:29 <hoop_tron> czeschie
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11:43 <P4> czesc
11:43 <P4> #plugin wiki
11:43 <armabot> P4: Error: There is no command "wiki".
11:43 <P4> #plugin wikipedia
11:44 <armabot> P4: The "wikipedia" command is available in the Alias plugin.
11:44 <P4> #help wikipedia
11:44 <armabot> P4: (wikipedia <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "google site:http://en.wikipedia.org/ $*".
11:52 <hoop_tron> #wikipedia
11:52 <armabot> hoop_tron: Search took 0.11 seconds: Main Page - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/>; Guadeloupe national football team - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guadeloupe_national_football_team>; Shijiazhuang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shijiazhuang>; Jesse Owens - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (2 more messages)
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14:47 <Lucifer_arma> so how do I know how much current is going to pass through my circuit?
14:47 <Lucifer_arma> is that something that's defined by the load? (in this case it's a 1.6 amp dc motor)
14:52 <DrJoeTron> god damn
14:52 <DrJoeTron> i just got back from work
14:54 <guru3> if it's a 1.6amp motor... wouldn't it be 1.6 amps?
15:00 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, sure. :) Thanks.
15:00 <Lucifer_arma> So my next question, then
15:01 <Lucifer_arma> if I have a diode, one of those fancy setups that gets both sides of the AC current, and I have enough resistors, do I really need a transformer to step down the voltage?
15:01 <Lucifer_arma> I'm looking at Ohm's law, here
15:01 <Lucifer_arma> so, 1.6 = 12/r
15:01 <Lucifer_arma> or, r = 12/1.6
15:01 <Lucifer_arma> #math calc 12/1.6
15:01 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 7.5
15:01 <Lucifer_arma> so a 7.5 ohm resistor should do it, right?
15:02 <Lucifer_arma> (ignoring the voltage drop over the diode, of course)
15:04 <Lucifer_arma> wait a minute, that's not right
15:04 <Lucifer_arma> I've got 110 V coming in, and the diode
15:05 <Lucifer_arma> so after the diode, it's still about 110 V, right?
15:05 <Lucifer_arma> so can I load up enough resistors to drop the voltage down to 12 volts and have it work?
15:05 <Lucifer_arma> or do I even need to worry about it, and just do ohm's law with 110 V?
15:06 <Lucifer_arma> r = 110/1.6
15:06 <Lucifer_arma> #math calc 110/1.6
15:06 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 68.75
15:06 <Lucifer_arma> so, 68.75 ohm resistors needed then
15:07 <Lucifer_arma> or am I missing something?
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15:22 <wrtlprnft> #later tell lucifer* that should work assuming your motor doesn't have any resistance (which it probably has), but it would waste quite a huge amount of energy…
15:22 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
15:22 <epsy> does it actuall works with wildcards ?
15:22 <epsy> *y
15:22 <wrtlprnft> yeah.
15:23 <epsy> ah. kewl.
15:23 <wrtlprnft> #later tell *ps* it does
15:23 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
15:23 <epsy> ah. kewl.
15:23 <wrtlprnft> #math calc 1.6*110
15:23 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 176
15:23 <wrtlprnft> 176 watts… nice.
15:25 <wrtlprnft> #later tell lucifer* about 176 watts wasted… Quite a bit of heat, too, and be careful as most resistors will get fried by that.
15:25 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
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15:50 <Lucifer_arma> so am I right that the motor doesn't care about the voltage?
15:50 <Lucifer_arma> Or does the motor really do care that it's 12 V?
15:50 <Lucifer_arma> aha, got your message, wrtlprnft :)
15:50 <Lucifer_arma> so I still want to step down the voltage, it's just not so important that I hit 12 V?
15:52 <Lucifer_arma> how about deciphering the symbols on a transformer?
15:57 <guru3> the thing about resistors
15:57 <guru3> is that they use energy
15:57 <guru3> and so they heat up
15:58 <guru3> if you try to run too much current through too small of a resistor it will explode
15:58 * guru3 has done that
15:58 <Lucifer_arma> heh
15:59 <Lucifer_arma> I'm just trying to understand this stuff right now :)
15:59 <Lucifer_arma> I've got two transformers, and I need to figure them out
16:00 <guru3> DC or AC?
16:03 <Lucifer_arma> beats me
16:03 <Lucifer_arma> came out of a computer power supply, so I assume ac
16:04 <Lucifer_arma> of course, if I could decipher the markings, I could tell you :)
16:28 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I think I've got it
16:29 <Lucifer_arma> voltage(secondary)/voltage(primary)
16:29 <Lucifer_arma> so if I plug it into a power supply on one end and a block of resistors on the other end, and take the voltage readings, I should have it
16:29 <Lucifer_arma> then reverse the connections and do it again
16:30 <Lucifer_arma> only there's 8 pins on one side and 3 on the other
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17:00 <guru3> sounds complex
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18:06 <Lucifer_arma> ok, here's a question :)
18:07 <Lucifer_arma> when I put 12VAC in with a 100 ohm resistor (the voltmeter reads 14VAC), I get .073VAC out the other end of the transformer
18:07 <Lucifer_arma> but when I put in 2 50 uF capacitors parallel to the resister on the input, I get .492VAC out the other end
18:07 <Lucifer_arma> why do I get any increase at all when I put capacitors in there?
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18:30 <deja_vu> because ac current can get through capacitors better
18:31 <deja_vu> depending on the freq and capacity
18:35 <deja_vu> and maybe the voltage in them adds up to the measured voltage
18:35 <Lucifer_arma> they're marked 200V, heh
18:36 <Lucifer_arma> so, is it safe to use resistors to step down from 20VDC?
18:36 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, lemme see
18:36 <Lucifer_arma> 12.5 ohms for my target
18:36 <Lucifer_arma> and there will be an led in there somewhere because leds are cool
18:47 <deja_vu> hehe
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22:19 <wrtlprnft> how would one buid a DC transformer?
22:20 <|Sticky|> AC to DC ?
22:21 <|Sticky|> or DC - DC
22:21 <wrtlprnft> ac to dc is trivial
22:21 <|Sticky|> DC - DC you oscillate the signal put a ac transformer in then rectify it at the other ent
22:21 <|Sticky|> end even
22:22 <wrtlprnft> boring x_X
22:22 <|Sticky|> thats why DC -DC transformers are realy inefficent
22:22 <wrtlprnft> is there any efficient way to oscillate a signal?
22:23 <|Sticky|> oscillateing the signal isnt inefficient its the rectifying thats the problem
22:24 <wrtlprnft> wouldn't four diodes and a capacitor be enough?
22:24 <wrtlprnft> to get a nearly constant current
22:24 <|Sticky|> for a VERY rough rectification yes
22:24 <wrtlprnft> enough to put through a DC motor, anyways
22:25 <wrtlprnft> you don't even really need the capacitor there :)
22:25 <|Sticky|> oh god yeah DC motors realy dont care about signal stability
22:25 <|Sticky|> why do you want to put a transformer on to a motor??
22:26 <wrtlprnft> because you don't want to fry it?
22:26 <|Sticky|> PWM it
22:26 <wrtlprnft> btw, i'm referring to a conversation with lucifer earlier
22:26 <|Sticky|> ok
22:27 <|Sticky|> is this motor to be controlled or perminently on?
22:27 <wrtlprnft> he wanted to use a motor designed for 12V with a 110 volt power source
22:27 <wrtlprnft> and wanted to use resistors
22:28 <wrtlprnft> instead of a transformer
22:28 <wrtlprnft> dunno, sorry
22:29 <|Sticky|> but that must be 110V ac
22:29 <wrtlprnft> yeah, of course
22:29 <wrtlprnft> he wanted to solve that with diodes
22:30 <wrtlprnft> forgot the english term for this 4-diode circuit to convert from AC to rough DC
22:30 <|Sticky|> bridge rectifier
22:30 <wrtlprnft> ah, thanks
22:31 <|Sticky|> brave man wanting to build his own rectifier, for the sake of the $5 it will cost id just buy a ac-dc converter from the store
22:33 <wrtlprnft> why would you actually want to build a rectifier if you try to get the voltage down, anyways
22:33 <wrtlprnft> wouldn't a single diode halve the effective voltage?
22:34 <|Sticky|> problem is almost no cuircuit will run on ac so you could divide the voltage using a potential divider but it would still be ac
22:35 <|Sticky|> putting 110v across a diode would blow it up
22:35 <wrtlprnft> oh, really :)
22:35 <wrtlprnft> you need some measure to get the voltage down, anyways
22:36 <wrtlprnft> and you should be able to find a diode that accepts 24V and a current of about 1.6A
22:36 <|Sticky|> not sure you can get a single diode that will do 24V
22:37 <wrtlprnft> then get two :)
22:38 <|Sticky|> yeah
22:38 <wrtlprnft> or four, but then it's sort of pointless
22:38 <|Sticky|> not realy you can chain as many as you like...no real problem other than cost
22:39 <wrtlprnft> and resistance if you overdo it
22:40 <|Sticky|> well no cos didoes present a variable resistance depending on the voltage you put over them
22:40 <wrtlprnft> meh… the wires/whatever you use to connect them don't ;)
22:40 <wrtlprnft> you just have to REALLY overdo it
22:41 <|Sticky|> http://rswww.com/cgi-bin/bv/rswww/searchBrowseAction.do?Nr=AND%28avl%3auk%2csearchDiscon_uk%3aN%29&Ntk=I18NAll&Nty=1&Ntt=zener&Ntx=mode%20matchpartial&N=4294729805%204294681741%204294690671&forwardingPage=search&name=SiteStandard&obs=fObs&callingPage=/jsp/search/search.jsp&BV_SessionID=@@@@0401739622.1184964062@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccckaddlhhfkdgjcefeceeldgondhgh.0&cacheID=uknetscape
22:41 <|Sticky|> thats the most powerful 24v i can see
22:41 <|Sticky|> will only do 0.8w tho
22:41 <|Sticky|> 0.8A even
22:42 <wrtlprnft> where do you get those numbers from?
22:42 <|Sticky|> RS
22:42 <|Sticky|> what country?
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22:42 <wrtlprnft> ?
22:43 <|Sticky|> what country is this for?
22:43 <wrtlprnft> no, where did you read the .8w on that page
22:43 <wrtlprnft> it says UK at the bottom
22:43 <|Sticky|> its a 20W diode P=VI so I=P/V, I=20/24 I=0.8
22:44 <wrtlprnft> yeah, of course
22:44 <wrtlprnft> 22:41 <|Sticky|> will only do 0.8w tho
22:44 <|Sticky|> the corrected myself and said amps
22:44 <wrtlprnft> or is 1w ≠ 1W?
22:44 <|Sticky|> [21:44:57] <|Sticky|> 0.8A even
22:44 <wrtlprnft> ok, i misunderstood you
22:45 <wrtlprnft> didn't catch the meaning of “even”
22:46 <|Sticky|> if this component is to be deliverd to america then radioshack will probably order it for you if not Digikey may be a good place
22:46 <wrtlprnft> argh, it's all hypothetical
22:46 <wrtlprnft> and lucifer is buiding the thing, whatever it is
22:46 <wrtlprnft> i just don't want to be near it when he plugs it in
22:47 <|Sticky|> yeah all I can say is DONT go anywhere near mains, or anything above about 30V
22:47 <wrtlprnft> luckily he's far enough away
22:48 <|Sticky|> my best work has been short circuiting Li-Poly batteries...not good at all
22:48 <wrtlprnft> messy?
22:50 <|Sticky|> flaimy: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=v7abq34mckg
22:53 <|Sticky|> actualy this ones better: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4OsBc8RqSKU&mode=related&search=
22:59 <wrtlprnft> the second one is more to the point
22:59 <wrtlprnft> in the first one the guy manages to hold the battery out of sight just when it burns the most
23:04 <|Sticky|> out of interest what is lucifer trying to do?
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is a site that has tools, maps, and other various items. It orignally only existed as a server control panel, but I slowly began adding stuff such as a homepage and tools.
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This is an LLM-free zone. In general, I am unwilling to use (fight with) any form of "GenAI" to write code for me. So, for the forseeable future, everything on this site will continue to be written by a very silly goose (wait that's me honk honk) with some parts written by other humans as well (silly hu-mon) rather than any plausible-series-of-words token-eating machine. Even my libraries are out of date, and suddenly that's a good thing!
(Although the style has changed several times and content has been added and changed, the base of this site has barely been updated since 2015. But it Ain't Broke!)
This site is also occasionally tested with older browsers, but compatibility is not guarenteed. Although, if you have an old obscure browser and something isn't working that previously did, I guess you can tell me (nelg) about it...
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