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Log from 2007-05-24:
--- Day changed Thu May 24 2007
00:01 <P4> how can i see system stats (any top alternative?)
00:02 <wrtlprnft> system stats?
00:02 <wrtlprnft> of what?
00:02 <P4> of CPU usage, ram, pagefile... nvm, i've found top :P
00:02 <wrtlprnft> try htop
00:03 <P4> just forgot it got status like at the top of screen
00:03 <P4> htop?
00:03 <wrtlprnft> yeah
00:03 <P4> ed got it?
00:03 <wrtlprnft> probably not
00:03 <P4> i can see 20GB page file 0)
00:03 <P4> oO
00:03 <wrtlprnft> nice and colorful
00:03 <P4> -bash: htop: command not found
00:05 <P4> #tyskie
00:05 <armabot> P4: TYSKIE:WARZONE: No online players.
00:05 <P4> got new settings :>
00:05 <wrtlprnft> i could install it, but you don't really need it on this server
00:05 <P4> perfect for spawn camping ;>
00:05 <P4> sure ;) don't do it
00:05 <P4> i thought you can tell me some simple command line tool :)
00:05 <P4> top works fullscreen
00:06 <wrtlprnft> there's free -m, of course
00:06 <wrtlprnft> or uptime
00:06 <wrtlprnft> #serverdetails -v tyskie
00:06 <armabot> wrtlprnft: TYSKIE:WARZONE ( running 0.2.8_alpha20070403 unix dedic, url:  Ÿ /xffe3e0http://p4.doesntexist.org/  Ÿ, Description: “ Ÿ  Shooting with zombies!    Ÿ“, Players (1/8): {KP}Tall Kid
00:07 <P4> ^^
00:07 <P4> updated config, wanna try ;>
00:07 <P4> i wish this mod become popular :P
00:09 <ghableska> #tea
00:09 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (9/32): ach, Anun, apparition, G5, h4ck1ng, meteor[*=--], Psyc@, |x| Sticky, ~*SP*~PsYkO
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00:28 <Lucifer_bed> yay, now I have two logins going like everyone else
00:31 <DrJoeTron> haha
00:31 <DrJoeTron> do i even bother to post in it?
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> post and tell him he's a fucking smeghead
00:34 <Lucifer_bed> Lucifer_arma: you're a fucking smeghead
00:35 <_Sticky_> watch red dwarf?
00:35 <Lucifer_bed> yes
00:35 <Lucifer_bed> seen every one :0
00:35 <Lucifer_bed> er, :0
00:35 <Lucifer_bed> eek
00:35 <Lucifer_bed> )
00:35 <DrJoeTron> do i draw a picture? :)
00:35 <Lucifer_bed> damn keyboard.
00:35 <Lucifer_bed> I just got the computer in my bedroom setup so I can actually use it, but the keyboard takes some getting used to
00:36 <Lucifer_bed> the whole setup takes some getting used to
00:36 <Lucifer_bed> DrJoeTron: yeah, draw a smeghead :)
00:36 <Lucifer_bed> oh yeah, I needed to commit acme so I could work on it back here
00:36 <Lucifer_bed> I was trying to get away from the noise in the living room
00:37 <Lucifer_bed> does this keyboard work?
00:38 <Lucifer_bed> so the quiet keys keyboard is really loud, but the loud keys keyboard is really quiet
00:38 <Lucifer_bed> ok, I'm satisfied this keyboard works, and it not working the other night was just an anomaly
00:39 <Lucifer_bed> wrtlprnft: so is a TNT2 actually better than this i810?
00:40  * Lucifer_bed is wondering because he has a worse video card than the tnt2 that he can put in the server and bring the tnt2 over here
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00:41 <Vanhayes> #weather saint john
00:41 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 50°F / 10°C | Humidity: 50% | Pressure: 30.48in / 1032hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 7:00 PM ADT; Tonight - Cloudy periods. Low plus 5.; Thursday - A mix of sun and cloud. Wind becoming southwest 20 km/h in the morning. High 16 except 12 along the coast. UV index 8 or very high. Thursday night..cloudy with 30 (1 more message)
00:41 <Vanhayes> #more
00:41 <armabot> Vanhayes: percent chance of showers. Wind southwest 20 km/h becoming light in the evening. Low 7.; Friday - A mix of sun and cloud. High 19.;
00:43 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r7257 /tools/acme/trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Random commit, going to the bedroom. Acme probably doesn't work at this moment because of this, sorry.
00:44 <spidey> lol
00:44 <spidey> #armaconfig resource
00:44 <armabot> spidey: RESOURCE_REPOSITORY_CLIENT: URI the client uses to search for map files if they aren't stored locally. Better leave it alone (default: http://resource.armagetronad.net/resource/) || RESOURCE_REPOSITORY_SERVER: URI clients and the server use to search for map files if they aren't stored locally (default: http://resource.armagetronad.net/resource/)
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00:45 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_bed 
00:45 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=176591#176591 
00:46 <spidey> #armaconfig dtd
00:46 <armabot> spidey: Sorry, no matches :S
00:47 <spidey> Lucifer_bed: wrtlprnft luke-jr_ or z-man-work ?
00:47 <Lucifer_bed> ?
00:47 <spidey> remember the soccer server anjori was asking you about?
00:47 <Lucifer_bed> ummmm, no?
00:48 <spidey> O.o
00:48 <spidey> oh well
00:48 <Lucifer_bed> but styball is part of pig's patch, you should already have it running iirc
00:48 <spidey> i'm having a problem where the server's trying to download the .dtd from armagetronad.net
00:48 <spidey> but it downloads the map from the dedicated
00:49 <spidey> [May 23 18:43:52] [0] Downloading http://resource.armagetronad.net/resource/AATeam/map- ...
00:49 <spidey> [May 23 18:43:52] ERROR: error : Operation in progress
00:49 <spidey> [May 23 18:43:52] [0] ERROR: Return value 404 : File not found.
00:49 <Lucifer_bed> ahhh, this is the server anjori was asking me for help with?  He didn't specify it was a soccer server...
00:50 <spidey> it downloads the map fine, but when it tries the .dtd it doesn't try to download it from our server, it tries from aa
00:50 <Lucifer_bed> I don't know the answer to this one, sorry.  I don't know how to get it to download the right dtd
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00:50 <spidey> :(
00:54 <Vanhayes> soccer as in styball? or something new?
01:00 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=176591#176591 there we go :)
01:01 <luke-jr_work> spidey: ?
01:01 <spidey> styball
01:01 <spidey> and i got it working
01:02  * _Sticky_ spanks DrJoeTron for being a mean sandbox admin
01:02 <DrJoeTron> I AM A SANDBOXLORD
01:02 <DrJoeTron> KING OF SAND BARX
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01:10 <spidey> #armaconfig lead
01:10 <armabot> spidey: ALLOW_TEAM_NAME_LEADER: Set to 1 to allow team leader to set a team, 0 otherwise. (default: 0) || PLAYER_CHAT_WAIT_TEAMLEADER: Set to 1 if only team leaders, and 0 if all players, should be allowed to pause the timer. (default: 1)
01:17 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_bed ping
01:17 <DrJoeTron> picture almost done
01:17 <DrJoeTron>
01:18 <_Sticky_> nice
01:18 <spidey> #armaconfig zone
01:18 <armabot> spidey: SP_WIN_ZONE_MIN_LAST_DEATH: Minimum number of seconds since the last death before the instant win zone is activated in single player mode (default: 1000000) || SP_WIN_ZONE_MIN_ROUND_TIME: Minimum number of seconds the round has to be going on before the instant win zone is activated in single player mode (default: 100000) || WIN_ZONE_EXPANSION: Expansion speed of the instant win zone (2 more messages)
01:18 <spidey> #more
01:18 <armabot> spidey: (default: 1) || WIN_ZONE_INITIAL_SIZE: Initial size of the instant win zone (default: 5) || WIN_ZONE_MIN_LAST_DEATH: Minimum number of seconds since the last death before the instant win zone is activated (default: 30) || WIN_ZONE_MIN_ROUND_TIME: Minimum number of seconds the round has to be going on before the instant win zone is activated (default: 60) || WIN_ZONE_RANDOMNESS: Randomness (1 more message)
01:18 <spidey> #more
01:18 <armabot> spidey: factor of the initial win zone position. 0 fixes it at the arena center, 1 spreads the zone all over it. (default: 0.8)
01:18 <spidey> anyone know how to disable fortress style zones? :/
01:18 <spidey> styball with capturable zones :O
01:19 <P4> spidey: lol
01:19 <Vanhayes> i think its on the map not a setting
01:19 <P4> yes... i think same
01:19 <P4> but not sure
01:19 <Vanhayes> #armaconfig zones
01:19 <armabot> Vanhayes: Sorry, no matches :S
01:20 <Vanhayes> #armaconfig conquer
01:20 <armabot> Vanhayes: Sorry, no matches :S
01:20 <Vanhayes> #armaconfig conqouer
01:20 <armabot> Vanhayes: Sorry, no matches :S
01:20 <Vanhayes> damnit how is it spelled?
01:20 <spidey> #check conquor
01:20 <armabot> spidey: conquer
01:20 <spidey> there ya go :p
01:20 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=176641#176641
01:21 <Vanhayes> hmm, that was my first spelling
01:21 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_bed 
01:21 <DrJoeTron> can you quote images
01:22 <DrJoeTron> IF SO
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01:24 <DrJoeTron> or don't
01:26 <spidey> ok lets see
01:26 <spidey> Vanhayes: i looked at the maps
01:26 <spidey> ctf and soccer are the same zone settings
01:26 <spidey> so it can't be that
01:28 <spidey> FORTRESS_CONQUEST_RATE .3
01:28 <spidey> FORTRESS_DEFEND_RATE .2
01:28 <spidey> i think
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02:00 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
02:00 <armabot> pong
02:00 <DrJoeTron> Kicking people just because you dont like the color of their bikes is not administration, it's fascism.
02:00 <DrJoeTron> hey Your_mom_arma 
02:00 <DrJoeTron> wanna hop on the band wagon?
02:00 <Your_mom_arma> hmm?
02:01 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=176691&sid=0cf6c7bdc5111be3414fac9c6a52aac0
02:01 <DrJoeTron> mspaint drawing at the bottom to fallow
02:05 <DrJoeTron> :3
02:07 <Your_mom_arma> haha
02:09 <Your_mom_arma> I think invader put it as well as anyone could
02:12 <DrJoeTron> pretty much
02:12 <Your_mom_arma> It may start politely but it just snowballs until the elitists come in cursing and using racial slurs. So it may be best to add in a round_config message making the whole topic something that's taboo to talk about in the server, asking players to either join another server if they want to play like that or to create a discussion elsewhere.
02:13 <Your_mom_arma> Either way, in what I've seen and heard(read) the guys who play open tend to be the _Bad Bushido_
02:14 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
02:14 <DrJoeTron> thank you
02:14 <DrJoeTron> thats why I'm simply kicking the people who say SORRY FRO CLOSIN
02:14 <DrJoeTron> because they don't know better
02:14 <DrJoeTron> but they also don't help the problem
02:14 <DrJoeTron> I'm glad you guys got my back :3
02:15 <DrJoeTron> seriously, when i have my birthday party
02:15 <DrJoeTron> you're all invited to lazer tag
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02:15 <DrJoeTron> cept for Van-hayes 
02:15 <_Sticky_> yeah kicking for saying sorry is nazi
02:15 <DrJoeTron> my mom said he couldn't come
02:16 <DrJoeTron> _Sticky_ its either i kick for than, or ban when they complaing about people sealing on them
02:16 <DrJoeTron> which is known to happemn
02:16 <DrJoeTron> all of the fucking time
02:16 <DrJoeTron> i mean c'mon
02:16 <DrJoeTron> kicks are so fucking harmless
02:16 <DrJoeTron> its a kick
02:16 <_Sticky_> lol premtive kicking just incase they get it wrong later
02:16 <DrJoeTron> YUP
02:16 <DrJoeTron> holy shit
02:16 <DrJoeTron> you get it!
02:16 <DrJoeTron> :D
02:17 <DrJoeTron> give them an inch and they think they're a ruler
02:17 <DrJoeTron> plus
02:17 <DrJoeTron> we gotta have SOME order in there
02:17 <_Sticky_> depends do you agree with camping?
02:17 <DrJoeTron> and its making people not want to play with people tossing up stupid lame rules
02:18 <DrJoeTron> _Sticky_ depends 
02:18 <DrJoeTron> but getting mad because someone killed you?
02:18 <DrJoeTron> thats retarded
02:18 <DrJoeTron> if you don't like getting killed online
02:18 <DrJoeTron> don't play internet games
02:18 <DrJoeTron> don't play games at all for that matter
02:18 <DrJoeTron> i don't get angry about people who camp
02:18 <_Sticky_> thing is your going the same way z-man mentiond...if its possible in the game its acceptable to do it
02:19 <DrJoeTron> exactly
02:19 <_Sticky_> which is fine
02:19 <DrJoeTron> i mean i have my own guffs
02:19 <DrJoeTron> about people readjusting and all of that shit
02:19 <DrJoeTron> i get killed by lag all of the time
02:19 <DrJoeTron> i don't make a fit about it
02:19 <DrJoeTron> because no one gives a shit
02:19 <_Sticky_> but dont then complain when people dont grind in fortress, or capture the flag in ctf or tk or camp...they are all possible
02:19 <DrJoeTron> do you care that i died because of the network delay?
02:20 <DrJoeTron> which i dont
02:20 <_Sticky_> i agree that the open closed debate is stupid
02:20 <DrJoeTron> i don't grind at ctf
02:21 <_Sticky_> i alwayse thought closing was the whole point
02:21 <DrJoeTron> thats rediculous
02:21 <DrJoeTron> but then?
02:21 <_Sticky_> havent changed my mind from there
02:21 <_Sticky_> still think that way
02:22 <DrJoeTron> unless the server says "hey jerks, grind"
02:22 <DrJoeTron> or "play open omfg"
02:22 <DrJoeTron> i'll do it
02:23 <DrJoeTron> because its specifically stating "hey guys, we're doing thing differently"
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02:23 <_Sticky_> yeah but i would equate it with non grinding in fortress to an extent...that is an unwrittent rule that will get you kicked
02:24 <DrJoeTron> yeah
02:24 <DrJoeTron> its a defacto standard
02:24 <DrJoeTron> plus
02:24 <DrJoeTron> _Sticky_ you're missing one major thing here
02:24 <DrJoeTron> those are team games
02:24 <_Sticky_> ok its a bit different since in rubber there are no team mates to screw over
02:24 <DrJoeTron> i mean i understand what you're trying to say here
02:24  * _Sticky_ was typing that heh
02:25 <DrJoeTron> but it doesnt *completely* fit what the problem is
02:25 <DrJoeTron> kids are coming in
02:25 <DrJoeTron> saying they're the king of the sandbox
02:25 <DrJoeTron> and if anyone disagrees they get pissy
02:25 <DrJoeTron> then the park district workers come in
02:25 <DrJoeTron> like myself
02:26 <_Sticky_> im sort of saying unwritten rules will always appear naturaly 
02:26 <DrJoeTron> yup
02:26 <DrJoeTron> and i am all for opposing them
02:26 <DrJoeTron> fuck de facto standards in games
02:26 <DrJoeTron> i have my own hates
02:27 <DrJoeTron> but i won't say you're a terrible person because you play a way i cant stand
02:27 <DrJoeTron> i used to
02:27 <DrJoeTron> but then realized, what good does it do if i tell them that
02:29 <_Sticky_> just kick on the words open or closed
02:29 <DrJoeTron> the sorry thing is still standing
02:29 <DrJoeTron> "sorry 4 closin"
02:30 <_Sticky_> naa thats just wrong...kicking for being polite even if they were in the right in closing inn the first lace
02:30 <_Sticky_> s/lace/place
02:30 <DrJoeTron> when you say it every other round?
02:30 <DrJoeTron> thats not "polite"
02:30 <DrJoeTron> thats called spam
02:31 <DrJoeTron> its like if a guy sat next to you in a movie theatre
02:31 <DrJoeTron> start burping the whole night
02:31 <DrJoeTron> and saying "sorry"
02:31 <DrJoeTron> each time
02:31 <DrJoeTron> and then get mad if you burp
02:32 <DrJoeTron> you gross kid you
02:32 <Lucifer_bed> I'm curious how this open/close thing came about in the first place
02:32 <DrJoeTron> yeah me too damn it
02:32 <DrJoeTron> from what i hear
02:32 <_Sticky_> ive alwayse thought one of the main reasons the tron comunity stays small is because we are rude to newbs who leave and never come back, very nearly happend to me.  however if you kick a new guy just cos someone has misled them as to how the game is played they will again not come back
02:32 <Lucifer_bed> I'm curious because me and mom have been playing open towards each other for a looong time now, before most of these new kids showed up
02:32 <DrJoeTron> _Sticky_ you're seeing this from a different side
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02:33 <DrJoeTron> these are constant offenders
02:33 <Lucifer_bed> maybe the reason the community "stays small" is because we don't put up with the punk-ass bullshit other communities put up with?
02:33 <Lucifer_bed> (I put "stays small" in parenthesis because every measurement we've taken shows growth)
02:33 <DrJoeTron> "sorry, OMG FUK U CLOSER FAGGET"
02:33 <DrJoeTron> "hey buddy, can you stop that?"
02:33 <DrJoeTron> "Y HE CLOSE ON ME"
02:33 <Lucifer_bed> "I closed on you because I wanted the point"
02:34 <DrJoeTron> yup
02:34 <Lucifer_bed> I don't "play open".  Let 'em run up a poll
02:34 <Your_mom_arma> I always just figured it was just a bastardization(wow, I spelled that wrond and spell check corrected me) of tunneling 
02:34 <DrJoeTron> and then they play the honro system
02:34 <Your_mom_arma> it managed to miss wrond
02:34 <DrJoeTron> ITS A VIDEO GAME
02:34 <ghableska> #weather 50266
02:34 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 64.2°F (7:35 PM CDT on May 23, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 57.2°F. Pressure: 28.94 in 979.9 hPa (Falling).  Severe Thunderstorm Watch 292 in effect until 9 PM CDT this evening...
02:35 <ghableska> -_-
02:35 <_Sticky_> well it may be growing but there are probably less than 500 regular gamers that is small in the grand scheme
02:35 <DrJoeTron> I'm cool with that personaly
02:35 <Lucifer_bed> I think it takes a lot more skill to get out of a closed maze than an open one :
02:35 <Lucifer_bed> )
02:35 <ghableska> heh
02:35 <Lucifer_bed> and I've seen it done, and done it....
02:35 <DrJoeTron> _Sticky_ all i can say to you is this
02:35 <DrJoeTron> if you don't agree with it
02:36 <DrJoeTron> thats perfectly fine
02:36 <DrJoeTron> you also don't have to play there :)
02:36 <DrJoeTron> theres many other servers for you to chose
02:36 <DrJoeTron> oose
02:36 <Lucifer_bed> I don't play there because joe keeps telling me about all the smegheads I don't want to play with that play there
02:36 <DrJoeTron> yup
02:36 <_Sticky_> i agree you should stop players bullying others into playing how they do...i just dont think you should punish the victims
02:36 <DrJoeTron> what victims?
02:37 <DrJoeTron> they all say they're victims
02:37 <_Sticky_> the ones who say sorry
02:37 <DrJoeTron> they aren't victims
02:37 <DrJoeTron> they do it with pride
02:37 <DrJoeTron> because i've SEEN them get mad for people closing on them
02:37 <DrJoeTron> and telling them doesnt do shit
02:37 <DrJoeTron> you haven't played in shrunkland for more than 4 minutes have you.
02:38 <_Sticky_> no
02:38 <DrJoeTron> exactly
02:38 <_Sticky_> i have never played there
02:38  * ghableska goes off to Shrunkland
02:38 <DrJoeTron> <DrJoeTron> exactly
02:39 <Your_mom_arma> im at the point where I just silence everyone in arma because I don't want to deal with the harrasment, I've had people start pm'ing me spam or just otherwise stupid stuff
02:39 <DrJoeTron> thats another thing
02:39 <DrJoeTron> why cant they just use the PM system
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02:41 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma even me? :(
02:41 <_Sticky_> actualy i say were small but we are abouth 45th game in terms of downloads on sourceforge
02:41 <_Sticky_> thats not bad
02:42 <DrJoeTron> i could care less about popularity with this game
02:42 <DrJoeTron> if its going to bring crazy 12 year olds on big brother hand me down computers
02:42 <DrJoeTron> i have counter strike for that crap
02:42 <DrJoeTron> which is what shrunkland has turned into
02:42 <_Sticky_> naa it is a problem...particularly for us fortress players who cant get a decent game for 2/3rds of the day
02:43 <DrJoeTron> go outside :V
02:43 <DrJoeTron> btw you were the one with the wiimote to pc correct?
02:43 <_Sticky_> ooooOOOO
02:43 <_Sticky_> yup
02:43 <DrJoeTron> ok good
02:43 <DrJoeTron> i was looking for you
02:43 <DrJoeTron> i started working on classic controller scripts last week
02:44 <_Sticky_> what driver??
02:44 <DrJoeTron> glove pie
02:44 <_Sticky_> ah yes very nice isnt it
02:44 <DrJoeTron> and got PPJoy  working
02:44 <DrJoeTron> oh yes
02:44 <DrJoeTron> but its not fully functional yet
02:44 <DrJoeTron> you know anything about the analog setup?
02:44 <DrJoeTron> because i could really use the help on that
02:44 <_Sticky_> yeah but fir a free thing it aint bad
02:45 <DrJoeTron> i got the analog stick to be recognized in track mania nations
02:45 <_Sticky_> naa i only have the wiimote
02:45 <DrJoeTron> sensitive to movement and everything
02:45 <DrJoeTron> oh god
02:45 <DrJoeTron> you GOTTA get the classic controller
02:45 <DrJoeTron> plus i got mouse function working on it
02:45 <DrJoeTron> i stole a script and edited it
02:45 <_Sticky_> i dont even have a wii
02:45 <DrJoeTron> hahaha you're shitting me
02:45 <_Sticky_> no just bought the controler
02:46 <DrJoeTron> what for?
02:46 <Lucifer_bed> GodTodd: got your network working again?
02:46 <DrJoeTron> shits?
02:46 <Lucifer_bed> I think when the network doesn't work, it should be called a netbroke
02:46 <_Sticky_> so i can connect it to my pc and play with it
02:46 <DrJoeTron> haha
02:46 <DrJoeTron> get the classic controller with it too then
02:46 <DrJoeTron> its 20 dollars
02:46 <DrJoeTron> USD*
02:46 <_Sticky_> so £500 probably then
02:47 <DrJoeTron> heh
02:47 <_Sticky_> how much is a wiimote in america?
02:47 <DrJoeTron> 40 USD
02:47 <DrJoeTron> 20 USD for prepherals
02:47 <Your_mom_arma> #g 20 usd to £
02:47 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
02:47 <_Sticky_> yeah its like about equivalent to $60 here
02:47 <DrJoeTron> yeah
02:47 <DrJoeTron> its a 60 dollar controller
02:48 <DrJoeTron> i bought the battery packs for the wiimotes
02:48 <DrJoeTron> they're prety great
02:48 <_Sticky_> #g 20 usd to gbp
02:48 <armabot> _Sticky_: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
02:48 <Your_mom_arma> 20 U.S. dollars = 10.138903 British pounds
02:49 <DrJoeTron> wow
02:49 <_Sticky_> yeah the wiimote is £32 so $64
02:49 <DrJoeTron> oh god
02:49 <Your_mom_arma> I blame the weak American dollar 
02:49 <DrJoeTron> yeah thats right
02:49 <DrJoeTron> europe in general gets shafted on video games
02:49 <DrJoeTron> my friend saw half life 2 there for like 70 dollars
02:49 <DrJoeTron> USD
02:50 <_Sticky_> yeah i went on holiday to American recently...the exchange rate is fantastic
02:50 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
02:50 <DrJoeTron> its like if we went to mexico
02:50 <Your_mom_arma> haha
02:50 <DrJoeTron> alright
02:50 <DrJoeTron> i'll be back
02:50 <_Sticky_> 70 usd is about average for computer games here
02:56 <ghableska> :O
03:00 <_Sticky_> try house prices for a real shocker
03:02 <_Sticky_> my gf paid about $400k for a 1 bedroom flat in suburban london
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03:10 <Your_mom_arma> meh, I'm actually surprised it isn't more
03:10 <neostrider> hello folks
03:10 <Your_mom_arma> hi
03:10 <neostrider> what's up, mom?
03:11 <Your_mom_arma> not much
03:11 <neostrider> ok...
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03:18 <ghableska> hi, Van-hayes 
03:18 <Your_mom_arma> wb
03:21 <GodTodd> Lucifer_bed: yeah...i fought the feisty and the feisty got its ass kicked ;)
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03:38 <ghableska> http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/commentary/sexdrive/2007/04/sexdrive_0406
03:38 <ghableska> o_O
03:53 <P4> can anyone test my new #powiedz alias and say "#powiedz P4 come to #armagetron", please? :}
03:56 <ghableska> #powiedz P4 come to #armagetron
03:56 <armabot> ghableska: => ghableska says: P4 come to  <= sent to the server
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03:59 <P4> damn
03:59 <P4> thanks :}
03:59 <P4> # is masked :|
04:00 <DrJoeTron> back 
04:00 <DrJoeTron> fuck the forrest preserve
04:00 <DrJoeTron> i got bugs up mah nose :/
04:01 <ghableska> DrJoeTron: sneeze!
04:01 <DrJoeTron> i cant
04:02 <ghableska> pepper up the nose?
04:02 <DrJoeTron> bugs up the nose
04:02  * ghableska has a cold
04:05  * GodTodd sticks a dick up DrJoeTron's nose.
04:05 <DrJoeTron> mmm'
04:05 <DrJoeTron> oh that feels nice
04:05 <DrJoeTron> oh god
04:05 <GodTodd> sneeze, fucker
04:06 <GodTodd> [21:06] [Whois] GodTodd is n=TheTruth@pool-71-170-89-192.dllstx.fios.verizon.net (The One Truth)
04:06 <GodTodd> :D
04:07 <ghableska> DrJoeTron: hl2:dm, worth it?
04:07 <GodTodd> no
04:07 <GodTodd> fuck that shit
04:07 <DrJoeTron> oh god you have to pay for it?
04:07 <DrJoeTron> oh right
04:07 <DrJoeTron> you didnt buy hl2
04:08 <DrJoeTron> NO
04:08 <GodTodd> fucking tools
04:09 <ghableska> what about...dod:s?
04:09 <GodTodd> goddammit, NO!
04:09 <ghableska> stfu GodTodd 
04:10 <DrJoeTron> GodTodd is right
04:10 <DrJoeTron> not worth it
04:11 <ghableska> garry's mod 10 IS worth it though :p
04:11 <DrJoeTron> i didnt think so
04:12 <ghableska> it's more fun than cs
04:13 <DrJoeTron> everything is more fun than cs
04:13 <ghableska> meh
04:15 <DrJoeTron> you mustve been bored when you came into the server :p
04:15 <ghableska> ppp?
04:22 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r7258 /tools/acme/trunk/ (8 files in 3 dirs): Wired up the save buttons and made the generic resource editor save files.
04:23 <Lucifer_bed> man, can this conversation get any less intelligible?
04:23 <GodTodd> i'm voting for more unintelligible
04:23  * Lucifer_bed wonders if he's done with acme for the night
04:24 <GodTodd> probably not
04:24 <Lucifer_bed> heh
04:24 <Lucifer_bed> still haven't written the syntax highlighting, but at least it'll save files now
04:24  * GodTodd is working on porting his wife's recipe program from vb to java
04:25 <P4> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=176881
04:26 <Lucifer_bed> P4: try it with a regular server and see if it does the same
04:26 <Lucifer_bed> not sure it's a bug, though
04:26 <P4> i'll try 
04:28 <P4> hm.... looks like it's not happen with dedicated... :|
04:33 <ghableska> #weather 50266
04:33 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 64.0°F (9:34 PM CDT on May 23, 2007). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 59.0°F. Pressure: 28.98 in 981.3 hPa (Falling). 
04:35 <GodTodd> #math calc 19/47
04:35 <armabot> GodTodd: 0.404255319149
04:36 <ghableska> #g 5+12
04:36 <armabot> ghableska: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
04:38 <ghableska> #night
04:38 <armabot> Good night ghableska!
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04:45 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma
04:45 <DrJoeTron> you saw geometry wars being ported for Wiii yeah?
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05:03 <Your_mom_arma> DrJoeTron: hehe, yeah ... you saw the duke nukem forever pic?
05:03 <DrJoeTron> yeah
05:03 <DrJoeTron> i dont believe it
05:03 <luke-jr_> ?
05:04 <DrJoeTron> that game is never coming out
05:04 <luke-jr_> what pic
05:04 <Your_mom_arma> http://jobs.gamasutra.com/Media/Accounts/95/gama_duke_2.gif
05:05 <luke-jr_> hm
05:05 <luke-jr_> since when is Duke a 3D game?
05:10 <DrJoeTron> Time to kill was 3D
05:10 <DrJoeTron> terrible
05:10 <DrJoeTron> but 3D
05:16 <Your_mom_arma> wow, has it really been 10 years
05:16 <DrJoeTron> yup
05:16 <DrJoeTron> hell
05:16 <DrJoeTron> i didnt realize how old Sam and Max Hit the road was
05:16 <DrJoeTron> that game was awesome
05:18 <P4> who is Supybot 0.83.1+darcs developed by? any of you guys here? 
05:19 <P4> #help fetch
05:19 <armabot> P4: (fetch <url>) -- Returns the contents of <url>, or as much as is configured in supybot.plugins.Web.fetch.maximum. If that configuration variable is set to 0, this command will be effectively disabled.
05:21 <Your_mom_arma> "Duke Nukem Forever was officially announced on April 27, 1997 along with the purchase of a license to use the Quake II engine and the intention of releasing the game no later than mid-1998."
05:21 <Your_mom_arma> note it is now 2007, and quake 4 is out
05:21 <P4> ^^
05:22 <DrJoeTron> god
05:22 <DrJoeTron> its like
05:22 <DrJoeTron> it beats TF2 by a year
05:22 <DrJoeTron> TF2 was announced in 1998
05:28 <P4> what is TF2?
05:29 <Your_mom_arma> team fortress 2
05:29 <Your_mom_arma> (half life mod)
05:30 <Your_mom_arma> or was it a quake mod
05:30 <Your_mom_arma> ask DrJoeTron
05:32 <DrJoeTron> TF2 = half life 2 mod
05:32 <DrJoeTron> TFC is amazing
05:33 -!- Lucifer_bed is now known as Lucifer_arma
05:34 <P4> i plaid only q3a (instaunlagged mod) and sc, nothing else ;P
05:34 <P4> no i play aa and sc ocasionally
05:34 <P4> now*
05:38 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r7259 /tools/acme/trunk/libacmegui/ (editors/genericEditor.py mainqt.py): Syntax highlighting test, comments work.
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05:45 <DrJoeTron> P4 try out half life 1 when you get the chance ever
05:45 <DrJoeTron> really really good single player fps
05:48 <P4> one of a bit playable for me was... err..
05:48 <P4> sof :P
05:48 <P4> but pretty stupid one
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06:02 <DrJoeTron> bbl
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06:42 <DrJoeTron> hi
07:12 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: dunno what a TNT2 is :)
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: old nvidia card
07:15 <wrtlprnft> well, can't compare them, anyways
07:15 <wrtlprnft> i'm happy with my intel cards
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07:18 <MrBougo> hello
07:35 <MrBougo> bye
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07:45 <mkzelda> i got jew babe
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> is it legal in xml to do this? :
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> <  SomeTag>
07:55  * Lucifer_arma has been working too hard on this stupid syntax highlighter
07:55 <mkzelda> i wont tell anyone
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> don't worry, I'll probably post a screenshot of it when I'm done for the night
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> I guess a more important question is, would minidom remove the spurious whitespace?
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> nvm, it's not legal
07:58 <mkzelda> do whats right when no one is watching
08:14 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r7260 /tools/acme/trunk/libacmegui/ (editors/genericEditor.py mainqt.py): Syntax highlighter
08:36 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r7261 /tools/acme/trunk/libacmegui/ (editors/genericEditor.py mainqt.py): Made the genericEditor save properly, so now it can theoretically be used to create resources
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12:55 <P4> what's the maximum line length that i can say in armagetron
13:20 <eddiefantastic> Masters are taking awful long to respond to me. Taking a few minutes to start a server
13:21 <eddiefantastic> well, maybe a minute
13:23 <guru3> everyone, let me know if you can't reach any of the aa.net services please
13:23 <P4> it's normal timing for me
13:24 <guru3> eddiefantastic: sounds like you're affected
13:35 <eddiefantastic> affected?
13:35 <guru3> does no one read the news? :<
13:36 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o guru3] by ChanServ
13:36 <eddiefantastic> oh yeah ;) thanks
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13:57 <ghableska> #weather 50266
13:58 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 64.2°F (6:56 AM CDT on May 24, 2007). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 60.8°F. Pressure: 28.96 in 980.6 hPa (Falling). 
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14:27 <vinavil> ufff, it is too hot
14:27 <vinavil> and we are in may :S
14:38 <akira_> glimpse into future
14:38 <akira_> ;)
14:39 <akira_> there is no climate change!
14:39 <akira_> never!
14:39 <vinavil> sure...
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15:29 <gltron> are the forums down?
15:29 <vinavil> nope
15:30 <gltron> then I blame my crappy connection
15:30 <gltron> or DNS
15:30 <gltron> looks like I can't resolve it
15:31 <vinavil> what does it give?
15:31 <gltron> and it suddenly worked
15:31 <vinavil> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewforum.php?f=45
15:32 <vinavil> does it work?
15:43 <gltron> yup
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17:04 <epsy> hi
18:21 <wrtlprnft> woot :) 13 points in this english test :D
18:21 <wrtlprnft> that's the best one of the entire class
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19:08 <Lucifer_arma> forums down?
19:08 <epsy> seems, yeah
19:08 <epsy> guru3, 
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19:18 <epsy> Lucifer_arma, seems to work now
19:18 <epsy> hay jj
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19:22 <epsy> ^^
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19:36 <guru3> epsy: have you read the topic or news lately?
19:40 <epsy> guru3, just saw it
19:41 <epsy> hmm i can't remember, are zonesV2 able to act on rubber ?
19:42  * guru3 doesn't know
19:43 <MrBougo> yep they do :)
19:43 <MrBougo> even though i don't know anything about zonesV2
19:43 <epsy> if it's possible we can create totally new gameplays...like « finite » rubber, as of rain's idea, and have a health recovery zome for each team
19:43 <MrBougo> but i read some stuff about rubber refill
19:44 <epsy> ...we can also add fortress to that :)
20:02 <MrBougo> ...we can also add fortress to that :)
20:03 <epsy> ...we can also add fortress to that :)
20:06 <MrBougo> ...we can also add fortress to that :)
20:06 <epsy> ...
20:06 <MrBougo> ...we can soon eat fortress in chat :(
20:07 <MrBougo> ...or not
20:08 <epsy> i love how center_messages over more lines are displayed
20:13 <MrBougo> "over more lines"?
20:13 <MrBougo> can you send multi-lines c_messages?
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20:15 <vinavil> does anybody know how to replace not-standard "height" attribute of a table to fix an oject (image for ex) in centre using html?
20:16 <MrBougo> vinavil: ...we can also add fortress to that :)
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20:16 <vinavil> O_o?
20:17 <vinavil> does anybody know?
20:21 <epsy> vinavil, what ??
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20:22 <epsy> vinavil, what do you want to do ?
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20:22 <epsy> with what ?
20:22 <vinavil> epsy: html
20:22 <luke-jr_work> vinavil: HTML for appearance is obsolete
20:22 <luke-jr_work> vinavil: HTML defines content, not how it appears
20:23 <epsy> vinavil, what do you want what to do ?
20:23 <vinavil> luke-jr_work: i like it for appearance too :)
20:23 <luke-jr_work> vinavil: HTML should never be for appearance
20:23 <luke-jr_work> CSS is for appearance
20:23 <vinavil> epsy: a page with an image in centre
20:24 <epsy> is this image content or background ?
20:24 <vinavil> content
20:24 <P4> did i quit? what was the reason?
20:24 <epsy> P4, no you didn't
20:24 <P4> ok, it was then tunnel connection drop :|
20:25 <epsy> text-align: center; in css
20:25 <luke-jr_work> epsy: that's for text
20:25 <epsy> ...altrough it doesn't work on ie :/
20:25 <luke-jr_work> vinavil: center vertical, horizontal, or both?
20:26 <vinavil> both
20:26 <luke-jr_work> for horizontal, use margin: auto
20:26 <luke-jr_work> for vertical, you can't really
20:27 <vinavil> indeed vertical is the problem
20:27 <luke-jr_work> margin-top: 50%;
20:27 <luke-jr_work> padding-top: -<half-of-image-height>;
20:27 <vinavil> trying
20:27 <luke-jr_work> actually
20:27 <luke-jr_work> no
20:27 <luke-jr_work> top: 50%;
20:27 <luke-jr_work> margin-top: -<half-of-image-height>;
20:27 <luke-jr_work> position: absolute;
20:28 <luke-jr_work> or position: static;
20:28 <wrtlprnft> why so complicated?
20:28 <luke-jr_work> 'static' will keep it centered even it the page is scrolled
20:28 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: because CSS lacks means to auto-margin vertically
20:28 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: also lacks math
20:29 <luke-jr_work> I'd love to say "top: 50% - (height / 2)"
20:29 <epsy> same here
20:29 <wrtlprnft> body, html {margin:0; padding:0; height:100%;} body { display:table-cell; vertical-align:middle; text-align:center; }
20:29 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: that centers the page, not an image
20:29 <vinavil> height 100% is not valide
20:29 <luke-jr_work> vinavil: wtf?
20:30 <epsy> vertical-align doesn't work on firefox, btw
20:30 <luke-jr_work> firefox is buggy
20:30 <epsy> ...and used by 20% of ppl
20:30 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: text-align doesn't affect block elements, btw
20:30 <epsy> and, guess what
20:30 <epsy> there's one even worse getting 78% of ppl
20:32 <luke-jr_work> :p
20:32 <luke-jr_work> KDE4 should fix things up a bit
20:32 <luke-jr_work> when Konqueror is finally available for crapOS
20:32 <wrtlprnft> back
20:32 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_work: he was talking about an image
20:34 <guru3> luke-jr_work: 4th level domains should be possible now
20:34 <vinavil> hm
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20:55 <madmax|pt> this one I never heard before: "yeah have fun delay boy"
20:58 <vinavil> haha
21:05 <mkzelda> #later DrJoeTron http://www.batterieswholesale.com/faq_nimh.htm
21:08 <mkzelda> #later tell DrJoeTron http://www.batterieswholesale.com/faq_nimh.htm
21:08 <armabot> mkzelda: The operation succeeded.
21:10 <GodTodd> #later tell DrJoeTron FUCKER!!!111111111111!!!!OneONEone!!!!!
21:10 <armabot> GodTodd: The operation succeeded.
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21:17 <mkzelda> 111!11!eleventy!1!!!!2
21:30 <vinavil> we should build up a tutorial server
21:30 <epsy> agreed
21:31 <epsy> but we need someone to do it >.>
21:31 <P4> tutorial is good idea
21:31 <epsy> i would think about hints coming each 30 seconds, or more
21:32 <epsy> not sure about this, through
21:32 <P4> it would be annoyin :}
21:32 <epsy> not as munch as that
21:32 <P4> maybe some maze with rooms for different modes (styball, rubber, fortress, sumo)
21:33 <P4> or race ;)
21:33 <epsy> if we get the right delay between hints it wouldn't be annoying
21:33 <P4> yes
21:33 <P4> and hint's got to be different ;)
21:33 <epsy> of course ! lol
21:34 <P4> console mesages can explain tactic more briefly ;)
21:34 <epsy> hrm...i should realy get to buy a server
21:34 <epsy> *really
21:35 <vinavil> what about a place where you play different styles in different rounds with bots programmed for some specific moves? maybe with messages when you fail the move or useful tips. also it could be one round in spec and one playing.
21:36 <epsy> yeah...we should just incorporate such a gesture recognition system...
21:51 <P4> spect mode would frighten
21:51 <P4> ...noobs quickly
21:52 <P4> that server also could be pwnd by pros ocasionally ;) or more frequent, depends on niceness :)
21:52 <epsy> no
21:53 <epsy> no, no, no and no
21:54 <epsy> pr0s should be warned only to being there to HELP N00BS
21:57 <madmax|pt> that kick to spec idea would be good
21:57 <madmax|pt> and *keep* in spec for some time
21:57 <epsy> force-to-team feature could be intresting as well
21:58 <mkzelda> kick to spec could even be the fix that would avoid the need for a noob server
21:59 <epsy> meh ?
21:59 <mkzelda> or at least delay it
21:59 <epsy> making a noob-server is to prevent them being kicked for not knowing the gameplay they play
22:00 <mkzelda> ya i understand that, but adding the kick-to-spec feature to all servers would be something could could be done much more easily and quickly than a noob server
22:00 <mkzelda> it'd certainly make the game more friendly
22:00 <epsy> no
22:01 <mkzelda> you could call it the 'bench'
22:01 <epsy>  instead of that, he gets kicked only to the game, not to the server,
22:01 <epsy> but that's even worse -.-
22:02 <epsy> ok, we're happy
22:02 <epsy> but that n00b, what does he do ?
22:02 <epsy> he's there to play
22:02 <mkzelda> i dont see how making someone leave a server entirely w/o being able to watch and see how the game is played (and banning them) is worse than more politely removing them from the team
22:02 <mkzelda> at least then they still have the option to leave
22:03 <epsy> isn't he there to play ?
22:03 <mkzelda> of course, but him being there to play doesnt mean that he gets to kill everyone
22:03 <mkzelda> on the same team
22:03 <mkzelda> and ruin the game for everyone
22:04 <mkzelda> that argument doesnt help the either of our cases cause its agreed on both
22:04 <epsy> give him a way to learn then
22:04 <mkzelda> exactly
22:04 <mkzelda> thats what im saying
22:04 <mkzelda> why would you kick him off the server and ban him
22:04 <epsy> he'ill get bored and leave arma if we do that
22:04 <mkzelda> he's already forced to leave it
22:05 <mkzelda> once he watches X rounds or X minutes he can rejoin
22:05 <mkzelda> instead of being banned from the server
22:05 <mkzelda> for X minutes
22:05 <mkzelda> not everyone will be bored of waiting for a few rounds
22:05 <madmax|pt> not sure if new players would gladly join a server for new players
22:05 <mkzelda> some will, and they'll have the choice
22:05 <epsy> ok, such votes could be welcome i think
22:06 <epsy> but they will need a noob-server for practising
22:06 <mkzelda> ya i think both are great ideas
22:07 <mkzelda> but i cant agree that a noob-spec-vote would be more harm than the way it is now
22:07 <madmax|pt> and that server would be mostly empty i guess
22:07 <mkzelda> how bout after 2 noob-spec-votes it kicks u into the noob server
22:07 <mkzelda> i mean, after being kicked to the bench twice or 3 times
22:07 <epsy> madmax|pt, wait'n'see
22:08 <epsy> heh, this makes me think of some bug i got when timing out
22:08 <mkzelda> the noob server should show up #1 on the list until you visit it once, once u go there it changes NOOBSERV=1 to NOOBSERV=0 and then it wont show up top of the list anymore
22:08 <mkzelda> you could do it by 'score' value
22:08 <mkzelda> jack the score value of the noob server up high on default installations
22:09 <mkzelda> 405
22:09 <epsy> score is calculated by clients
22:09 <mkzelda> exactly
22:09 <epsy> what about default server bookmarks
22:09 <mkzelda> which is why in your default installation's config u have that value up higher than the rest
22:10 <mkzelda> then anyone who doesnt want to see it at the top of the list can '-' the value
22:10 <epsy> i see
22:10 <mkzelda> or, it can be made to do so upon visiting hte server
22:11 <mkzelda> tho theres some potential for abuse if that code is allowed, cause other servers could use that to jack their value up
22:11 <mkzelda> i wonder if thats possible now
22:12 <mkzelda> it'd be similar to wrtl's server that changed your cycle colors and player names
22:12 <epsy> well, we have such a system
22:12 <epsy> server bookmarks
22:12 <epsy> we just need to ut it in a better place in the menus
22:12 <epsy> *put
22:13 <mkzelda> i quit using bookmarks cause the servers ips always change and the delete didnt work properly in some versions
22:13 <epsy> the only one in my bookmark list which changes ip all the time is ctwf
22:14 <mkzelda> i didnt find it saved me much time, cause any time saved was lost maintaining the list
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22:14 <epsy> yeah, it's hard to manage that list...
22:15 <mkzelda> plus, unless its changed since i last used it, it doesnt poll users
22:15 <mkzelda> so i join empty servers
22:15 <epsy> that's the other point i would mention
22:16 <mkzelda> i really wish i had more time
22:16 <epsy> but i think it wouldn't be that complicated to make a server browser with them
22:16 <mkzelda> i could contribute a lot of these things
22:16 <mkzelda> if i had more time
22:16 <epsy> if i knew c++
22:17 <epsy> (bah, i still hack some sh*t here and there)
22:17 <epsy> *i can still
22:17 <mkzelda> ya
22:17 <mkzelda> i bet you could pull the server poll out of the server list browser and patch it into the bookmarks fairly easily
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22:18 <vinavil> all this work because of some rude players who cannot spend 2 minutes to teach a new player how to play. they have the game for free, they have the service of servers for free, but they cannot help the community to enlarge itself friendly. great zeus! i say.
22:18 <epsy> vinavil, i generally try to help them
22:18 <mkzelda> heh
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22:18 <vinavil> it takes 2 minutes, no more, i ensure you
22:19 <epsy> but it's hard for them to get what i say in the « chatflood » on servers like ctwf
22:19 <madmax|pt> #lastseen route
22:20 <epsy> and they generally don't even look at chat board
22:20 <armabot> madmax|pt: timed out
22:20 <epsy> i didn't saw ct|route for a long while
22:21 <madmax|pt> ct? o_O
22:21 <epsy> i think he leaved arma
22:21 <epsy> route is ct, isn't he ?
22:21 <madmax|pt> i remember route from a long time ago
22:21 <madmax|pt> didnt see him on ct though
22:21 <vinavil> just use "playername: press s to talk", then explain him/her about teams/grind/split and ask for feedbacks, and that is all folks
22:21 <epsy> we're probably not speaking of the same one then :P
22:22 <epsy> vinavil, they don't know about pg up key
22:22 <epsy> and they can't read it in time :/
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22:23 <madmax|pt> i usually say "page up to read up" instead of press s to talk
22:23 <epsy> if i had ICs for n00bs :D
22:23 <vinavil> indeed, you have to post when he/she is dead so it is easier to read
22:23 <epsy> you need to type, too
22:24 <vinavil> both?
22:24 <vinavil> heh
22:24 <vinavil> best way is to set some instant chat and use /msg
22:25 <vinavil>  usually go spec to have time to explain them, then i re-join when they understood
22:26 <madmax|pt> #ping
22:26 <armabot> pong
22:26 <epsy> well, i don't really have time to go spec and forth
22:26 <vinavil> time?
22:26 <epsy> i'm generally playing only 1 match once
22:27 <epsy> then i get back on conversations/coding
22:27 <vinavil> then play 2 :)
22:27 <epsy> lol
22:27 <epsy> (or to another game :P )
22:27 <vinavil> traidor!
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22:27 <akira_> ok i will fecth some beer
22:27 <epsy> hehe
22:28 <akira_> oops
22:28 <akira_> wrong channel ;)
22:28 <GodTodd> this channel likes beer too ;)
22:28 <epsy> well, this isn't out of conversation :P
22:29 <epsy> wrong channel ?
22:29 <epsy> you're only on #armagetron 
22:29 <epsy> or are you on another server ? :P
22:29 <epsy> vinavil, they are still free games
22:29 <epsy> ^^
22:29 <vinavil> epsy dont mind of others :)
22:30 <epsy> heh
22:30 <vinavil> epsy: i play no game!
22:30 <madmax|pt> how would one differentiate real kicks (of trolls and such) from kick to spec?
22:31 <epsy> i don't get what you mean
22:31 <epsy> the guy who vote or the guy that gets voted ?
22:32 <madmax|pt> well, there's only one kick menu. if there's a player that's not new, but decides to kill everyone, how would we *really* kick him?
22:32 <luke-jr_work> guru3: ???
22:32 <madmax|pt> instead of kicking to spec
22:33 <guru3> switched dns some
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22:33 <vinavil> max: what is the use of normal kick with spec-kick active?
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22:36 <Vanhayes> #tea
22:36 <armabot> Vanhayes: Fortress Café: No online players.
22:36 <madmax|pt> there's already that option? x_X
22:40 <vinavil> max: no...
22:40 <vinavil> was a developing dream :)
22:43 <vinavil> which is the last relese of arma in bsd?
22:48 <wrtlprnft> vinavil: I'm not going to be here for the next ladle (or in fact for the next two weeks), so I can't admin on my server. If there's a match played on my server, could you temporarily transform FTS into a normal fortress server and admin it?
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22:51 <luke-jr_work> guru3: ah
22:52 <luke-jr_work> guru3: AXFR from aa.dashjr.org?
22:53 <Lucifer_bed> asdfasdf
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23:03 <ghableska> #weather 50266
23:03 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 59.2°F (4:01 PM CDT on May 24, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 48.2°F. Pressure: 29.13 in 986.3 hPa (Falling). 
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23:45 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: sure
23:47 <vinavil> i can't believe it. you are playing fortress, ok? then someone says: "sumo?". 2 seconds and you are playing alone....
23:47 <vinavil> is there anybody out there who still like fortress??!
23:49 <madmax|pt> well, me at least
23:49 <vinavil> :) phew
23:49 <madmax|pt> how many were there?
23:50 <luke-jr_work> I like fortress more than sumo
23:51 <vinavil> max, soon we will have our 2 rubber team server ^^
23:56  * ghableska prefers fortress
23:58 <vinavil> we could organize a secret society to forbid sumo in the whole world! muahahahahaaha!
23:58  * vinavil needs old times
23:58 <ghableska> o_O
23:59 <vinavil> #weather ghableska brain
23:59 <armabot> vinavil: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "ghableska brain".

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