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Log from 2007-05-03:
--- Day changed Thu May 03 2007
00:08 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Levi/fortress/rabbit-1.0.0.aamap.xml: Resource by Levi
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00:16 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Levi/fortress/rabbit-1.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Levi
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00:18 <ghableska> DrJoeTron, ping
00:18 <DrJoeTron> pork
00:18 <ghableska> I'm thinking of getting Defcon
00:18 <ghableska> ..worth it?
00:19 <|Sticky|> played the demo?
00:19 <DrJoeTron> well
00:19 <DrJoeTron> right now it doesnt work for me
00:19 <DrJoeTron> so I'm going to say no
00:19 <ghableska> why not?
00:19 <DrJoeTron> no fucking clue man
00:19 <DrJoeTron> i tried starting it and it doesnt even load
00:19 <ghableska> |Sticky|, i've played the demo
00:19 <ghableska> weird
00:19 <DrJoeTron> it just gives me a black screen
00:19 <ghableska> did it work before?
00:20 <DrJoeTron> yeah, before they patched it
00:20 <|Sticky|> can you beat the ai yet...i cant
00:20 <DrJoeTron> i was going to say its THE VIDEO DRIVERS OMG
00:20 <DrJoeTron> but usually i get sound when thats the problem
00:20 <DrJoeTron> but now i get neither
00:20 <ghableska> lol, try aiming for Tehran, there aren't any defenses there
00:20 <DrJoeTron> i tried uninstalling and reinstalling
00:20 <ghableska> well
00:20 <ghableska> DrJoeTron, 
00:20 <DrJoeTron> i bought it for 10 bucks
00:20 <ghableska> have you tried the demo again?
00:21 <|Sticky|> $10 is a bargin
00:21 <DrJoeTron> and it works like a 10 dollar game :V
00:21 <ghableska> :P
00:21 <z-man> Or the 1.42 beta?
00:21 <DrJoeTron> haha yeah
00:21 <DrJoeTron> i preordered it off of steam
00:21 <ghableska> ah
00:21 <ghableska> it
00:21 <ghableska> *it's 15 now
00:21 <DrJoeTron> I'm going to wait till the next patch to take action
00:21 <z-man> You still can run the regular version by copying the key from the steam version over.
00:21 <DrJoeTron> I'm not really missing it right now tbqh
00:22 <DrJoeTron> i don't think its steam thats causing guff though
00:22 <|Sticky|> can you get it online without steam, I dont like the forced upgrade crap that it does
00:22 <z-man> You can, it's legal, just a tiny bit tricky.
00:22 <ghableska> I know you can get a boxed version, but I'm not sure if that requires you to use steam
00:23 <ghableska> z-man, would you recommend getting Defcon? ;)
00:23 <|Sticky|> steam realy does suck
00:23 <z-man> Dunno. Play the demo a bit
00:23 <ghableska> I have
00:23 <z-man> Try it some more :)
00:23 <ghableska> and got bored of beating the AI senseless :p
00:23 <|Sticky|> how?
00:23 <z-man> then try it against some live opponent :)
00:24 <ghableska> heh
00:24 <DrJoeTron> |Sticky| which forced upgrade
00:24 <ghableska> |Sticky|, luck?
00:24 <DrJoeTron> i love the auto patching
00:24 <|Sticky|> steam will refuse to let you play your games unless you upgrade them
00:24 <z-man> which is fine, usually
00:24 <DrJoeTron> I'm fine
00:24 <DrJoeTron> with that
00:24 <DrJoeTron> actually
00:25 <DrJoeTron> because i welcome updates
00:25 <ghableska> yeah
00:25 <DrJoeTron> and if they fuck up,
00:25 <DrJoeTron> they send a new one out the next day
00:25 <ghableska> the steam server browser/favorites list only works half the time :/
00:25 <|Sticky|> im not...i have limited bandwidth from 4-11 and i dont like being told i cant play my game till after that time
00:25 <DrJoeTron> thats ALWAYS workd half the time
00:25 <DrJoeTron> |Sticky| play in offline mode :d
00:26 <|Sticky|> i want to play multiplayer
00:26 <DrJoeTron> and thats where it gets funny
00:26 <DrJoeTron> because you'd be alone
00:26 <DrJoeTron> because everyone is updated
00:27 <ghableska> office mode sounds fun :D
00:27 <DrJoeTron> you should be studying anyways!
00:27 <DrJoeTron> DAMN IT!
00:27 <DrJoeTron> DAMN IT!
00:27 <|Sticky|> well people played old versions of CS for years...indeed source is still not the competition version of CS.  However you cant chose to play an old version if you like it
00:28 <DrJoeTron> oh trust me
00:28 <DrJoeTron> we all miss the riot shields :(
00:28 <ghableska> they had shields?!
00:28 <DrJoeTron> YES
00:28 <DrJoeTron> CT had riot shields
00:28 <ghableska> did they work?
00:28 <DrJoeTron> hahaha oooooh yeah'
00:28 <DrJoeTron> they were fucking awesome
00:28 <DrJoeTron> especially Shield Rushing
00:28 <ghableska> :o
00:29 <DrJoeTron> :D
00:29 <ghableska> DrJoeTron, I found an artillery mod for CS:S
00:29 <DrJoeTron> meh
00:29 <DrJoeTron> i have BF2 for artillery shit
00:29 <ghableska> not that kind of artillery :p
00:30 <DrJoeTron> i saw that defcon is for OS X now
00:30 <z-man> yep, and almost for Linux
00:30 <|Sticky|> do they have TFV for HL2 yet?
00:30 <|Sticky|> TFC even?
00:31 <z-man> Isn't there supposed to be an all new and improved TF coming with HL2 Episode 2?
00:31 <ghableska> Team Fortress 2, yeah
00:32 <|Sticky|> TFC ROCKED
00:32 <|Sticky|> best game ever
00:32 <DrJoeTron> TFC ROCKED?
00:32 <DrJoeTron> MORE LIKE
00:32 <DrJoeTron> TFC ROCKS
00:32 <DrJoeTron> i still play it from time to tive :)
00:32 <|Sticky|> i did see a vid for the new TFC looked good
00:32 <|Sticky|> heh dont have HL1 installed anymore
00:32 <DrJoeTron> don't need it to be :)
00:33 <|Sticky|> how can you play without HL1
00:33 <DrJoeTron> ask steam about that
00:34 <DrJoeTron> i think it loads the SDK Base for it
00:34 <DrJoeTron> however
00:34 <DrJoeTron> games like Sven Co op, and Natural Selection need it installed
00:35 <DrJoeTron> I used to be REALLY excited about TF2
00:35 <DrJoeTron> but after like oh...7 years?
00:35 <DrJoeTron> you tend to not get your hopes up
00:37 <|Sticky|> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Q5gzcvXp4 does look cool
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00:40 <DrJoeTron> OH YEAH!
00:40 <DrJoeTron> i forgot about FF
00:43 <|Sticky|> I love the way they have made TF2 realy cartoon like tho, its a realy good look
00:46 <ghableska> #weather 50266
00:46 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 71.4°F (5:50 PM CDT on May 02, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: 41.0°F. Pressure: 28.97 in 980.9 hPa (Falling). 
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00:50 <madmax|pt> hi
00:50 <madmax|pt> does the game use lex?
01:01 <DrJoeTron> |Sticky| i agree
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01:03 <DrJoeTron> WHERE THE FUCK did my D DRIVE GO
01:04 <GodTodd> look in the couch cushions...everything ends up there
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01:05 <DrJoeTron> i hope i didnt delete something i wasnt supposed to :/
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01:09 <|Sticky|> d as in cd drvive or 2nd hd?
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01:56 <DrJoeTron> man
01:57 <DrJoeTron> i REALLY don't want to reformat right now
02:05 <Your_mom_arma> why would you have to?
02:07 <DrJoeTron> lost my D Drive
02:07 <DrJoeTron> might not be recoverable
02:11 <Your_mom_arma> that sucks
02:12 <DrJoeTron> sure isnt great
02:13 <DrJoeTron> if reinstalling the driver that isnt even on the manufacturers website works
02:13 <DrJoeTron> i'll be cool
02:13 <DrJoeTron> if not
02:13 <DrJoeTron> FUCK
02:19 <DrJoeTron> welp
02:19 <DrJoeTron> THAT didnt work
02:24 <ghableska> :/
02:25 <DrJoeTron> brb
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02:41 <DrJoeTron> :(
02:44 <DrJoeTron> god
02:44 <DrJoeTron> the fucking weird part is
02:45 <DrJoeTron> theres no actual driver for this damn dvd drive
02:45 <DrJoeTron> it didn't come with one
02:48 <|Sticky|> ahh lovely generic components with no drivers or identification
02:51 <DrJoeTron> sweet arent they?\
02:51 <DrJoeTron> i mean
02:51 <DrJoeTron> i can firmware update it
02:51 <DrJoeTron> but....thats it
02:51 <DrJoeTron> and i uninstalled the driver
02:51 <DrJoeTron> soooo
02:51 <DrJoeTron> looks like I'm gonna have to reformat
02:52 <DrJoeTron> i'll do it after the semester
02:52 <DrJoeTron> i;ve got other means of transfering data
02:53 <DrJoeTron> on a positive note
02:53 <DrJoeTron> i got a sweet cup holder now
02:57 <ghableska> haha
03:00 <DrJoeTron> ko
03:00 <DrJoeTron> i fucked with the registry
03:00 <DrJoeTron> lets see what happens!
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03:03 <|Sticky|> let that be a lesson to the rest of you.  dont fuck with your registry
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03:05 <DrJoeTron> Awesome
03:06 <DrJoeTron> welcome back d drive
03:07 <DrJoeTron> looks like i wont be reformatiting after all
03:10 <ghableska> yay
03:14 <GodTodd_> reformat anyway
03:15 <GodTodd_> wait...reformatiting....does that involve boobs?
03:15 <GodTodd_> like, breast augmentation or something?
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03:16 <DrJoeTron> well
03:16 <DrJoeTron> it involves removing boobs
03:17 <GodTodd> reform a tit ing?
03:17 <DrJoeTron> the only casualty was itunes in this journey
03:17 <DrJoeTron> because now it can''t record anything from it
03:17 <GodTodd> bah...it was a casualty to begin with ;)
03:17 <DrJoeTron> haha i'll say
03:18 <DrJoeTron> i hate itunes
03:18 <DrJoeTron> but damn
03:18 <DrJoeTron> i don't even know why i use it
03:18 <DrJoeTron> i like its search menu
03:18 <DrJoeTron> and its shuffle is really ood
03:18 <DrJoeTron> good*
03:20 <GodTodd> it's a piece of shit
03:20 <GodTodd> face it
03:20 <GodTodd> admit it
03:20 <GodTodd> ADMIT IT
03:20 <GodTodd> NOW
03:20 <GodTodd> hOW DO i TURN OFF MY CAPS LOCK?
03:21 <GodTodd> cAN ANYONE HLEP EM?
03:21 <GodTodd> hello!!!!?
03:22 <GodTodd> #monologue
03:22 <armabot> GodTodd: Your current monologue is at least 9 lines long.
03:22 <GodTodd> #dialogue
03:26 <|Sticky|> #trialogue
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03:30 <ghableska> #monologue
03:30 <armabot> ghableska: Your current monologue is at least 1 line long.
03:30 <ghableska> ...
03:38 <ghableska> #weather 50266
03:38 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 66.7°F (8:40 PM CDT on May 02, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 44.6°F. Pressure: 28.99 in 981.6 hPa (Falling). 
03:55 <ghableska> http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=185167
04:02 <Your_mom_arma> haha
04:02 <Your_mom_arma> nice story ghableska
04:03 <ghableska> it's weird 
04:06 <Your_mom_arma> whats wierd? that an 11 year old would shoot someone who broke into her home? If it was texas then i would be less suprised then montana
04:07 <ghableska> haha
04:07 <ghableska> somehow, it's hard to picture a kid with a shotgun
04:10 <DrJoeTron> i was a kid with a shotgun
04:10 <DrJoeTron> we were called boyscouts
04:10 <ghableska> freaky
04:11 <DrJoeTron> shit man don't you live in iowa?
04:11 <ghableska> yeah....?
04:11 <DrJoeTron> thats pretty big and flat with nothing to do
04:12 <ghableska> I am...virtually
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04:21 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
04:21 <armabot> pong
04:22 <Stempo> ping?
04:24 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
04:24 <armabot> pong
04:24 <Stempo> pong?
04:24 <Stempo> what is this!??!!?
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04:28 <Your_mom_arm1> #ping
04:28 <armabot> pong
04:31 <Stempo> -.-
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04:31 <Your_mom_arm1> what?
04:33 <DrJoeTron> oH MY GOD
04:34 <DrJoeTron> i just figured out what the arrows on the tab key do
04:34 <DrJoeTron> mind = blown
04:35 <Your_mom_arm1> point left and right? or tab in a text document?
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04:39 <DrJoeTron> point left and right
04:40 <DrJoeTron> if you hold shift and press tab it will tab to the Left
04:40 <DrJoeTron> my god
04:43 <Your_mom_arm1> You've obviously never run out of batteries for a wireless mouse
04:46 <DrJoeTron> i have
04:46 <DrJoeTron> many a time
04:46 <DrJoeTron> i just kept hitting tab untill i got to the spot again
04:46 <DrJoeTron> not anymore though
04:46 <DrJoeTron> I'm on a wired mouse again
04:46 <DrJoeTron> and you know what?
04:46 <DrJoeTron> it feels good :d
04:48 <Your_mom_arm1> :)
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04:55  * GodTodd is on a trackpad
04:55  * GodTodd farts.
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05:01 <Lucifer_arma> #weather Plano
05:01 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The current temperature in Weather Forecasts and Maps at CNN.com is 51.0°F. Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Wind: NE at 10 mph (16 km/h).
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> that can't be the plano I was after
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: what's the weather like up there?
05:02 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
05:02 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Hunters Glen VIII, Plano, Texas is 66.7°F (10:07 PM CDT on May 02, 2007). Conditions: Thunderstorms and Rain. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 64.4°F. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008.0 hPa (Rising).  Tornado Watch 211 in effect until 10 PM CDT this evening... 
05:02 <GodTodd> rainy as hell
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> ah, much better
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> I heard 90mph wind gusts, knocked down my sister-in-law's fence
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> they also lost power, obviously you've got power :)
05:02 <Your_mom_arma> DrJoeTron: ping
05:03 <GodTodd> could have been....i almost had my hat blowed off and i got soaked cuz i wasn't about to stay at school :)
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> we've got an awesome light show going on, and occasional nasty rain, but that's it
05:03 <GodTodd> yeah...the school was running on backup power by the time i left
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> heh.  I carry an umbrella these days
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> been stuck at school in too many storms
05:03 <GodTodd> umbrella wouldn't have helped....swirling rain :/
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> so I just tossed one in my backpack
05:04 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma porng
05:04 <DrJoeTron> #serverinfo tub
05:04 <armabot> DrJoeTron: The Lobster Tub(TEST): No online players.
05:04 <DrJoeTron> SHOW UP
05:04 <DrJoeTron> good
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: pirng
05:04 <GodTodd> besides..i was parked all of 50 yards from the door
05:04 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma porong
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> heh
05:04 <GodTodd> #serverinfo cage
05:05 <armabot> GodTodd: The Lobster Cage: No online players.
05:05 <Lucifer_arma> I have to park a good distance when I go to work because I show up right after 5pm, so the parking lot's mostly full
05:05 <Lucifer_arma> at the other campus, where I actually have classes, there aren't any parking spaces close to the buildings :(
05:05 <GodTodd> tho it did take me 30 minutes to do the 10 minute drive
05:05 <GodTodd> and half the signal lights were out
05:06 <Lucifer_arma> nasty weather, man, nasty weather
05:06 <GodTodd> yeah
05:06 <Lucifer_arma> the last, what, 3 storms? to blow through left austin mostly alone :)
05:06 <GodTodd> yep
05:06 <GodTodd> we get hit with just about all of them :P
05:07  * GodTodd is watching a documentary on a 1200+ lb mexican dude
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> our house in particular manages to miss every storm, even when austin gets a direct hit, it always seems to go around our neighborhood
05:07 <Your_mom_arma> DrJoeTron: http://www.nma-fallout.com/article.php?id=35970
05:07 <GodTodd> fucker is blaming his wait on dallas
05:07 <GodTodd> weight*
05:07  * GodTodd channeled spidey for a sec there
05:07 <GodTodd> heh
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> I'm sorry, but very *very* few people reach 1200 lbs on accident, or as a result of someone else's actions
05:08 <GodTodd> yeah...it's a case of he moved to america and our freedom of choice was too much and he ate crap and didn't exercise
05:08 <GodTodd> totally his fault
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> heh
05:09 <Lucifer_arma> man, my wife and I noticed 2 things the other day
05:09 <GodTodd> not to mention that he gained 700 of the pounds after going back to mexico ;)
05:09 <Lucifer_arma> 1) the chuy's shirt I wear used to be pretty tight (I'd have to stretch it to wear it) is now hanging loose on me
05:09 <Lucifer_arma> 2) my calves are freaking huge
05:09 <GodTodd> heh
05:09 <GodTodd> time to slaughter them for veal?
05:09 <GodTodd> :P
05:09 <Lucifer_arma> they're almost as big as my thighs, and my thighs aren't touching any more
05:09 <GodTodd> ba dup tsss
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> we need sound icons
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> where a sound is played instead of a cute little graphic being shown
05:10 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma you mandingo
05:10 <DrJoeTron> SPEAKING OF
05:10 <GodTodd> haha that'd rock
05:10 <DrJoeTron> you want ikaruga?
05:10 <GodTodd> DrJoeTron: you mangina
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> wtf is ikaruga?
05:11 <DrJoeTron> SHMUPS type game
05:11 <DrJoeTron> for dreamcast
05:11 <GodTodd> opposite of aguraki?
05:11 <Lucifer_arma> IN Aguraki they like bukkakke
05:11  * Lucifer_arma suspects too many k's in there
05:11 <GodTodd> i think it's bukakke
05:11 <GodTodd> or it might be bukkake
05:12 <GodTodd> nah...first one looks better :)
05:12 <Your_mom_arma> if you host it DrJoeTron i'll download it and see if it works
05:12 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma,  KO
05:12 <DrJoeTron> one sec
05:12 <GodTodd> man....you know there's something wrong when you can't get out of bed
05:12 <GodTodd> for FIVE YEARS
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> sleepy?
05:13 <GodTodd> fat
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> is it one of those guys where they tear out a wall of the house to get him out?
05:14 <GodTodd> not sure...they haven't taken him out yet
05:14 <GodTodd> heh
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> I'll bet he'd lose 200lbs/week if he took up fencing
05:14 <GodTodd> haha
05:14 <GodTodd> he'd have a better shot at sumo
05:14 <GodTodd> wrestling....not tron
05:14 <GodTodd> :P
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> can he even walk?
05:15 <GodTodd> nope
05:15 <GodTodd> that's why he's in bed
05:15 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah
05:15 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma ping
05:15 <Your_mom_arma> pong
05:15 <Lucifer_arma> is his name DrJoeTron?
05:15 <GodTodd> now they're debating gastric bypass or the zone diet
05:15 <DrJoeTron>
05:15 <GodTodd> nah...he's little compared to DrJoeTron
05:15 <Lucifer_arma> you know, in the UK they're talking about making childhood obesity a take-the-kids-away offense
05:15 <Lucifer_arma> considering it negligent abuse
05:16 <GodTodd> well...depending on the situation...that might be called for
05:16 <Lucifer_arma> they're talking about fifth graders that weigh like 200lbs
05:16 <GodTodd> once you eliminate thyroid problems and such
05:16 <GodTodd> if it's because the parents are pussies then they need classes before being allowed to raise kids
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> my littlest looks like he finally grew.  :)  He's been packing it in for weeks, had quite a tummy going, now he's 2 inches too tall for all his pants and skinny
05:17 <GodTodd> there's a reason that the first word both my son's knew for sure was "no"
05:17 <GodTodd> ;)
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> heh
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> they learn no when they're 3 months, and "yes" is a tenth birthday present
05:18 <GodTodd> haha
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> my 3yo would eat all day if I let him
05:19 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma use nero to burn it and it should work with no problem
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> he comes up to me and says "I'm hungry" every 10 minutes
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> I say "it's tuesday, you don't eat until saturday, so shut the fuck up!"
05:20 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: you seem to have the same parenting philosophy i have
05:20 <GodTodd> except i feed the kids on sundays
05:20 <GodTodd> saturday is when they work the sweat shop
05:21 <GodTodd> they fuck up there and there goes sunday's food
05:21 <GodTodd> little ingrates
05:21 <GodTodd> ;)
05:29 <GodTodd> man....where the *fuck* is that dude's weiner?
05:30 <GodTodd> wow 363 lbs lost in 5 months
05:32 <Your_mom_arma> hmm...
05:33 <Your_mom_arma> its not burning
05:33 <DrJoeTron> did you unzip it?
05:33 <Your_mom_arma> un rar'd
05:33 <DrJoeTron> ;)
05:34 <DrJoeTron> hmm
05:34 <DrJoeTron> it should still work
05:35 <DrJoeTron> i've sent it to a bunch of people to day and they all workedsl
05:36 <Your_mom_arma> its a 733mb image, and im trying to burn it to a 700mb cd, could that be the problem?
05:37 <DrJoeTron> probably
05:37 <DrJoeTron> i thought they made 800 mb cd's
05:38 <DrJoeTron> hmmm
05:40 <DrJoeTron> it should work :/
05:40 <DrJoeTron> I'm going to burn a copy out of spite
05:41 <DrJoeTron> just click the file and select Burn
05:41 <DrJoeTron> Woah
05:42 <DrJoeTron> dayum
05:42 <Your_mom_arma> "unexpected exception"
05:42 <DrJoeTron> the fuck just happened
05:42 <DrJoeTron> wait a sec...
05:42 <Your_mom_arma> not working for you?
05:42 <DrJoeTron> yeah...
05:42 <DrJoeTron> its not a problem with the disc size
05:42 <DrJoeTron> its still in the dreamcast
05:42 <DrJoeTron> and its 700mb
05:43 <DrJoeTron> i also fucked with my registry
05:46 <Your_mom_arma> nice find luke-jr
05:46 <DrJoeTron> yeah really luke-jr 
05:46 <DrJoeTron> do they sell 1000mb cd-rs?
05:46 <Your_mom_arma> haha
05:46 <DrJoeTron> damn
05:46 <DrJoeTron> a GD would be great
05:46 <Your_mom_arma> DrJoeTron you're getting gready now
05:46 <DrJoeTron> haha
05:47 <DrJoeTron> greedy?
05:47 <Your_mom_arma> just wait till i get a version of gaim(pidgin) with spellcheck
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05:48 <DrJoeTron> haha
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05:49 <Your_mom_arma> well if it doesnt work for you i can only assume it got corupted sometime between the last time you sent it to someone and now
05:49 <DrJoeTron> hmmm
05:50 <DrJoeTron> does it need some special laser?
05:54 <Your_mom_arma> "Most CD-Rs on the market have an 80 minute capacity. There are also 90 minute/790 MiB and 99 minute/870 MiB discs, although they are rare. Some drives use special techniques to write more data onto a given disc, such as Plextor's GigaRec allowing as much as 1.2 GiB onto a 99 minute disc." -- wikipedia
05:55 <DrJoeTron> this is bullshit though
05:56 <DrJoeTron> why would it burn on a 700mb disc
05:56 <DrJoeTron> and now it won't
05:56 <DrJoeTron> it would say it was corrupted
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> I wonder how much longer it's going to be before wikimedia has a monopoly on wikis
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> I just noticed adobe labs uses mediawiki
06:09 <Your_mom_arma> who else makes wiki software?
06:09 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma
06:09 <Your_mom_arma> pong
06:09 <DrJoeTron> it looks like it burned
06:09 <DrJoeTron> i dont know how
06:09 <DrJoeTron> lemme check the dreamcast
06:09 <Your_mom_arma> did you do anything differently?
06:10 <DrJoeTron> no idea really
06:13 <DrJoeTron> yeah
06:13 <DrJoeTron> this one burned too
06:13 <DrJoeTron> sooo
06:13 <DrJoeTron> fuck wit it
06:13 <DrJoeTron> itl burn
06:14 <DrJoeTron> or do you want me to mail the disc :V
06:14 <Your_mom_arma> haha
06:15 <DrJoeTron> well
06:15 <DrJoeTron> let me waste another disc
06:15 <DrJoeTron> see what i did
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: there's a bunch of wikis out there
06:15 <DrJoeTron> BUT
06:16 <DrJoeTron> currently trying to burn it
06:16 <DrJoeTron> at 8x
06:26 <DrJoeTron> AH HA
06:26 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma ping
06:27 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma burn the game at 8x
06:31 <Your_mom_arma> still didnt work
06:32 <DrJoeTron> extract it again
06:32 <DrJoeTron> and put the overburn to like 90min
06:35 <DrJoeTron> damn
06:35 <DrJoeTron> they werent lying about the bugginess
06:35 <Your_mom_arma> overburn?
06:35 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma watching the interplay video just made me go back 8 years
06:36 <GodTodd> well...that's handy to know
06:36 <DrJoeTron> under expert features
06:36 <DrJoeTron> in the Configure tab
06:38 <GodTodd> now i can download debs *or* rpms :)
06:39 <Your_mom_arma> hmm, dont seem to have that in what ever version this is
06:40 <DrJoeTron> what version are you on
06:40 <DrJoeTron> you only get this menu RIGHT before you burn
06:41 <Your_mom_arma> nero 5;
06:42 <DrJoeTron> i'm on 
06:42 <DrJoeTron> 6
06:51 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma put it in the dreamcast and see what happens :v
06:52 <Your_mom_arma> it reads as a blank cd
06:53 <Your_mom_arma> i havn't been able to burn anything
06:55 <DrJoeTron> damn
07:01 <Your_mom_arma> well, im gonna give up for now
07:02 <Your_mom_arma> i guess the next thing to try would be download a trial version of the latest release
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07:28 <MrBougo> helo
07:30 <ackrite> hi bougo
07:30 <MrBougo> bye :/
07:30 <MrBougo> school time
07:30 <MrBougo> sorry ackrite :p
07:30 <MrBougo> have a nice day
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07:40 <Lucifer_arma> well, I may be on the market in the near future :/
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07:51 <GodTodd> on the market?
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07:59 <Lucifer_arma> my wife wants to split
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08:05 <GodTodd> shit...how come?
08:12 <arctanx> hmm?
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> psycho?  I don't really know, she gave very vague reasons
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> basically, nothing she said sounded like splitting would do anything to solve the problem
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> #g 10.75*9*4
08:13 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> #calc 10.75*9*4
08:13 <GodTodd> hmmm
08:13 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: The command "calc" is available in the Google and Math plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "calc".
08:13 <GodTodd> :/
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> #math calc 10.75*9*4
08:13 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 387
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> that's how much money I make a month, apparently
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> #calc 9.5-5.5
08:14 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: The command "calc" is available in the Google and Math plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "calc".
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> #math calc 9.5-5.5
08:14 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 4
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> actually, it's less
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> #math calc 10.75*8*4
08:14 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 344
08:14 <DrJoeTron> doot doot doot
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> can't live on that
08:15 <DrJoeTron> on doot?
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> no, on $344/month
08:25 <DrJoeTron> sure you can
08:29 <DrJoeTron> Oh man
08:29 <DrJoeTron> custom rank for Aang
08:29 <DrJoeTron> "Won't Go Away"
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14:40 <z-man-work> Lucifer_arma: that sucks. Want my wife to talk to yours? Mine is a bit psycho, too (manically depressed), and rather good at relationship advice (from what I can tell from the phone calls with her friends).
14:41 <z-man-work> She's good at identifying core problems and tell what could help and what not. With others, not with herself.
14:51 <Lucifer_arma> that would be really nice, but this will be like the fifth time she's left me for really vague reasons
14:52 <Lucifer_arma> honestly, I suspect she's hiding something, because she's acting like she's hiding something
14:53 <z-man-work> Hmm. One problem in longer relationships in general is that the inital "in love" feeling wears off.
14:53 <z-man-work> You have to replace it with something else, like a feeling to "just belong together", "be made for one another", that stuff.
14:53 <Lucifer_arma> let me put it another way.  When she said "for richer, for poorer", she meant "soon as we drop below a certain income level, I'm outta here!"
14:53 <Lucifer_arma> she's only done this when money's tiht for sustained periods
14:54 <Lucifer_arma> *tight
14:56 <z-man-work> I see. She wants absolute security? Or more than that? I mean, you're not starving right now, right?
14:57 <Lucifer_arma> no, we're not starving right now, but we are on food stamps.  She was born with a silver spoon up her butt and was thoroughly insulated from the few money problems her family had when she was growing up
14:57 <Lucifer_arma> she also has a preference to run away from situations that cause any sort of anxiety for her
14:58 <z-man-work> Of course, that may be the area where my wife is best in conseling. We don't have much extra money to spend either (things are improving now that she has a job, but we lived off money from the starte for a year or so as well)
14:58 <Lucifer_arma> the only serious argument we've had over the last 5 years was when I said "After I get my degree, I'll take a job with a company that looks like they're going to the moon, regardless of pay"
14:58 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think that's all of it.  Here's what I think:
14:59 <Lucifer_arma> she's not happy right now.  A couple months back I came to the sudden realization that I had basically been emotionally abused for years, first by her, then by an employers,
14:59 <Lucifer_arma> *employer,
14:59 <Lucifer_arma> finally by a guy who said he was my best friend, and that I thought we were now doing it to each other.
14:59 <Lucifer_arma> I was all upset about it, because I finally had a very simple explanation that fit all of the facts and didn't depend on facts that didn't exist
15:00 <Lucifer_arma> so she took it and ran with it, concluding that we're not going to have a good relationship, that we don't hae one now, and that she's not ready for marriage
15:00 <Lucifer_arma> so what I suspect is that she's found someone she's interested in and has either already started fooling around, or wants to start fooling around, because that someone, by contrast,
15:00 <Lucifer_arma> has none of this stuff going on
15:01 <Lucifer_arma> granted, that's a suspicion, but it fits all the facts she's given, which are:
15:01 <Lucifer_arma> she doesn'te xpect to need me to pay her child support
15:01 <Lucifer_arma> she doesn't expect to face the problems a single mother faces
15:02 <z-man-work> Hmm, "she's naive about these problems" would be an equally easy explanation, just for the record.
15:02 <Lucifer_arma> she is naive about these problems, her mom was single from when she was 7, and she was well-insulated from the single-mother aspect
15:03 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I'm a spring that on her and see how she reacts.  She might just be holding back details because she's already made up her mind and I won't be able to change it anyway
15:04 <Lucifer_arma> from my point of view, I just can't come up with why I should try to save this marriage anyway.  I've put everything I had into her (no pun intended!),
15:04 <Lucifer_arma> only to be rewarded with her coming up with some vague reason to leave me every few years
15:05 <z-man-work> The usual answer to that question is "the kids".
15:05 <Lucifer_arma> there's a point where it has to occur to me that I can do better
15:06 <Lucifer_arma> that's actually what's realy pissing me off about this.  She's basically going to ruin 4 people's lives for the next few years, probably much longer, and she doesn't appear to hae thought it through, or even made an attempt to resolve her current difficulties inside the marriage
15:06 <z-man-work> I'm probably spoiled, I have it easy; every time my wife comes with a reason why our relationship is in trouble, "you're being silly" fixes it.
15:07 <Lucifer_arma> I don't want my kids to go through this, that is true, but really, she's left me 4 times in 11 years (only counting since we got married)
15:07 <Lucifer_arma> #math calc 11/4
15:07 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 2.75
15:07 <Lucifer_arma> so every 2.75 years, on average.  My youngest is 3
15:08 <Lucifer_arma> well, you know, relationships, in terms of whatever you use to measure how good it is, probably look more like a cos curve
15:08 <Lucifer_arma> so you expect dips, and you roll with it, right?  It's the peaks you live for!  So long as the average value is above a certian threshold
15:08 <z-man-work> You put something in, you get something out. The former has to be less than the latter for both.
15:10 <z-man-work> Actually, humans have selective memory and give the peaks (good and bad ones) more weight...
15:10 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, she's also done this near the week of finals every semester since I started school.  She started talking about this two nights ago,
15:11 <Lucifer_arma> and the first night, after we talked about it for awhile, she left me the impression she didn't think we needed to split up and that she'd at least wait a couple more months
15:11 <z-man-work> That's specially true when planning, ahead, you know? People overestimate how a lottery win or the death of a close friend will affect them, because they think it will influence everything they do for a year or so, which is not true
15:11 <Lucifer_arma> you know, to let the dust settle
15:12 <Lucifer_arma> heh, it's noteably true when a loony shoots up a school....
15:12 <z-man-work> Well, it figures, you're most busy during the semester, so she feels neglegted. I wouldn't think this is intentional in any way.
15:12 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, it's been a particularly long semester for us, with a lot of stuff happening, very little of it good, and now we're in the last crunch for finals when stress is at the highest
15:13 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, so my explanation was that she's just feeling the crunch and she has to get past it before she can think clearly about this stuff
15:13 <Lucifer_arma> give our new jobs a little more time to settle, get our finances stabilized again
15:14 <z-man-work> Right, so that should be the very first step, wait for the stressful outer influences to fade away
15:14 <Lucifer_arma> well, so much for that.  That conversation was two nights ago, it was last night when she told me she didn't think she could work anything out without us splitting up
15:15 <z-man-work> without giving concrete things that are wrong?
15:15 <Lucifer_arma> yep.  Which doesn't necessarily mean she doesn't have anything concrete, mind you, but it isn't like her to think things through terribly thoroughly
15:16 <Lucifer_arma> she still cited that we weren't treating each other nicely, but in my own observation we've both done very well getting out of the slump we were in a few months ago
15:17 <z-man-work> Can't you try to force her to think? Make a list of things that are good and bad in your marriage?
15:17 <Lucifer_arma> heh.  I can try, but I can't promise much.
15:17 <z-man-work> You don't have to promise anything to me here :)
15:18 <Lucifer_arma> see, last time she left (the time that ended the period of emotional abuse I mentioned), I tried to get her to think of something good about me every time she wanted to say something bad about me
15:18 <Lucifer_arma> and she got so offended she almost through me out of her mom's house
15:18 <z-man-work> Does she know about software engeneering stuff a bit? You could tell her it's for a post-mortem-analysis so you know what to do better in your next marriage.
15:19 <Lucifer_arma> then she won't do it.  :)  I'll see what I can get from her, I can use the kids to great extent here....
15:19 <Lucifer_arma> "You're giving vague reasons, and you owe it to your kids at least if you can give solid reasons"
15:19 <z-man-work> Or use them as spies.
15:20 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm.....  depending on what you mean by that, that would be considered unethical
15:21 <z-man-work> Well, it's perfectly natural that, when a marriage is not working to well, that a kid comes to the mother and asks here what is wrong, whether she doesn't love daddy as much as she used to.
15:21 <Lucifer_arma> I'm thinking about the possibility of 4 more years of "our marriage sucks and I want out" the week before finals
15:21 <Lucifer_arma> my wife, contrary to what she says, has no qualms about dumbing things down for the kids
15:21 <z-man-work> Darn.
15:22 <Lucifer_arma> the other side is that even if she didn't, my kids would have to reproduce what she said to me, and they're not a reliable medium for sending messages
15:24 <Lucifer_arma> then there's "You need to make sure you know what you're doing, because having already left me 15 million times, if even two weeks from now you realize how silly you're behaving, it'll stillb e too late.  I'm *not* doing this again with you, ever."
15:25 <Lucifer_arma> that just sounds like too much of an ultimatum
15:25 <z-man-work> Hmm, that probably won't help.
15:26 <z-man-work> Yeah, it pushes her to the other side, and when she does want to come back, she won't even try.
15:26 <z-man-work> Perhaps a planned split with a timeout? That sometimes helps.
15:26 <Lucifer_arma> well, as soon as I walk out that door, it won't matter if she does want to come back, because even if saying that won't help, that's how it is.
15:27 <z-man-work> You know, "let's try without each other for a month and see if we feel better or worse"?
15:27 <z-man-work> Of course, you both WILL feel worse, that's rather predictable (after the initial freedom rush)
15:28 <Lucifer_arma> I hate to dismiss it out of hand, but I don't think it'll work for 2 reasons.  1) she hasn't even tried to fix anything, and 2) she doesn't believe separations work
15:29 <Lucifer_arma> see, when she has any kind of problem she's having trouble solving, she brings it to me.  But when she thinks I'm somehow the problem, she leaves.
15:29 <z-man-work> Well, if you ARE the problem, that's sensible.
15:29 <Lucifer_arma> I'm pretty angry right now, maybe I can get a handle on my own feelings and talk to her sensibly tonight
15:30 <Lucifer_arma> while it's a sensible reaction, it's not a sensible way to go about solving the problem :/
15:30 <z-man-work> Good idea, but don't let her possible state of emotional turmoil draw you in and lose your sensibility
15:32 <Lucifer_arma> in the meantime, someone needs to take this arma stuff off my hands, because if things start moving, they'll move quickly
15:33 <Lucifer_arma> and if her attitude completely goes sour, she'll steal the computer that's runnin the wiki and stuff :/
15:33 <z-man-work> I'll see what I can do tonight. I don't know whether my poor machine will be stong enough for the wiki, but we'll see.
15:33 <Lucifer_arma> (she can have it anyway, no big deal, I just want to make sure the arma stuff is safely off it)
15:34 <Lucifer_arma> if you have a better computer inside your network, you could proxy it from the faster computer :)
15:34 <Lucifer_arma> there's also the bug tracker and the buildmaster, though
15:34 <z-man-work> None that is on 24/7, and that's the way I want it
15:34 <Lucifer_arma> I can keep running a linux buildslave
15:35 <Lucifer_arma> also, wrtlprnft is the obvious choice for the wiki anyway, if he wants it, because he's already hosting the images used in the default skin :)
15:35 <z-man-work> Can you PM me an account with read access and instructions how to mirror the databases?
15:35 <Lucifer_arma> can't tell you how to mirror, but moving it is pretty straightforward.  Just some mysql commands, make your config file and install flyspray
15:36 <Lucifer_arma> it's not modded in any way, so you only *need* the database
15:36 <z-man-work> good
15:36 <Lucifer_arma> buildmaster information is in svn somewheres (I forget, I think it's /support)
15:36 <z-man-work> by the way, we've got skype, in case the wife to wife talk should happen. Name is sibila.mm
15:36 <Lucifer_arma> you might need to read the code to understand the file formats
15:37 <Lucifer_arma> I'll run the idea by her, or try to anyway.
15:38 <z-man-work> she's not a professional counselor or anything, I just think she's good at listening and relationship advice
15:39 <Lucifer_arma> heh, she doesn't even have to be good at that stuff, if she can just get my wife to think it through thoroughly, that's good enough
15:39 <Lucifer_arma> my wife's a smart girl, she's just headstrong and somewhat lazy about thinking things through
15:39 <Lucifer_arma> but if you or anybody else can get her to think it through, she's smart enough to work it out
15:39 <Lucifer_arma> and who knows?  maybe she's right?
15:40 <z-man-work> Well, the sooner she finds out, the better.
15:41 <Lucifer_arma> I suppose it's possible that this is how she's learned to bring relationsihp problems to me, by deciding to leave, and that she was expecting me to help her work it out on pain of losing my wife
15:41 <Lucifer_arma> dimly possible, but it is essentially how we've approached relationship problems when she's the one raising the flag
15:42 <Lucifer_arma> (I usually work them out as much as I can in advance, then recruit her, and there's never any talk of splitting up because I've usually eliminated the possibility/need before I go to her)
15:43 <Lucifer_arma> I guess we'll see.  This also makes more problems to solve, such as how do I support myself, finish school, and pay child support, all at once?
15:43 <Lucifer_arma> pick any of those two and I can do it, no problem.  But all 3 at once could be a bit hairy.
15:43 <Lucifer_arma> and if I took the kids, there's no question about it, I'd have to drop out of school, probably permanently
15:44 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to see if I can hit up my sister for a room until I finish school
15:45 <z-man-work> If I lived some thousand kilometers nearer...
15:46 <z-man-work> I think those are problems you should worry about when they turn into actual problems. For example, she said she doesn't expect you to pay child support, so if your one suspicion there is right, you have one thing less to worry about.
16:04 <Lucifer_arma> not true, sorry.  If I don't pay child support, there's a gaping hole for her to exploit at any time she feels me to be inconvenient to her
16:04 <Lucifer_arma> and she'll turn on you in a heartbeat, seriously, do something really crazy and mean, then feel bad about it
16:05 <Lucifer_arma> as soon as we split, if we split, I won't be ble to trust her any farther than I can throw her
16:05 <Lucifer_arma> and finally, none of that matters anyway.  Once we go to the state to finalize the divorce, they will award child support to whoever's taking the kids,
16:06 <Lucifer_arma> and all the checks go through the state.  She doesn't have to do anything, if I don't send the money to the state, I go to jail whether or not she gets involved (after a long and tedious process which includes garnishing wages)
16:07 <Lucifer_arma> there is the option where she returns the money to me in cash, but that's placing a lot of trust on her, so see my previous comment about trust
16:17 <z-man-work> So lets forget I said that.
16:18 <z-man-work> (Child support apparently works a bit differently here)
16:19 <wrtlprnft> wiki? what? why? huh?
16:21 <z-man-work> Lucifer's looking for a new home for the arma stuf he's hosting (long story) and was thinking you would take the wiki by default.
16:22 <wrtlprnft> i'd take it, sure
16:22 <wrtlprnft> though that would force me to come up with a backup plan, heh
16:22 <Lucifer_arma> :)
16:22 <Lucifer_arma> usb drive!  300GB!  backuppc!  ;)
16:22 <z-man-work> Oh, good idea.
16:24 <Lucifer_arma> best way to move the wiki is to install mediawiki, but don't run the installer
16:24 <Lucifer_arma> instead, import the database, then run the updater with mediawiki configured to use the imported database
16:24 <wrtlprnft> hmm
16:25 <Lucifer_arma> if you get mediawiki from subversion, it's very easy to upgrade
16:25 <wrtlprnft> yeah, makes sense
16:28 <Lucifer_arma> grrr, she couldn't just wrestle with it some more for 2 weeks and get finals out of the way?
16:29  * Lucifer_arma has the second most important test in his physics class today, isn't prepared, and now can't concentrate on it
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16:30 <z-man-work> What's the topic?
16:30 <Lucifer_arma> torque, rotational energy
16:32 <z-man-work> Do you work with the inertia tensor or just with inertia moment numbers?
16:32 <Lucifer_arma> moment numbers, no tensors
16:32 <z-man-work> (sounds like a small topic for a test to me)
16:33 <z-man-work> And you understand masses, accelerations and forces?
16:33 <Lucifer_arma> angular momentum, conservation of angular momentum, simple harmonic motion, angular velocity and acceleration...
16:33 <Lucifer_arma> it's basically everything we've already done, but with rotation added and emphasized
16:34 <z-man-work> It's rather easy actually, if you understand linear motion: you just repoace mass with the interital moment....
16:34 <Lucifer_arma> we've done newton's laws, energy, work-energy, spring forces, and rotational kinematics
16:34 <z-man-work> velocity with angular velocity, acceleration with angular accelration,...
16:35 <z-man-work> forces with torques and all the old formulas still apply.
16:35 <Lucifer_arma> I just sent an email to my physics teacher "Can you give an incomplete if your wife springs a divorce on you the week before finals?"
16:36 <Lucifer_arma> I'll keep trying to study, but I hope he says yes.
16:36 <z-man-work> If he's anything like me, he'll say "tough, but sorry, gotta stick to the rules"
16:37 <z-man-work> what is simple harmonic motion?
16:37 <Lucifer_arma> the rules might allow for something like that, I don't know because they're not exactly available to students to read...
16:37 <Lucifer_arma> springs
16:37 <Lucifer_arma> the formula that says Acos(t + phase shift), with some coefficient of t
16:38 <z-man-work> Ah, that thing. doesn't fit quite with the rest.
16:39 <Lucifer_arma> waves are next, and we'll cover waves for the final.  Physics II picks up with waves and goes on to introducing quantum mechanics.
16:39 <Lucifer_arma> with optics and stuff in between, of course
16:39 <z-man-work> That explains it, you need the harmonic oscillator to understand waves.
16:40 <z-man-work> We're doing a lot with harmonic oscillators, it's one of the few systems where you can actually calculate stuff :/
16:40 <Lucifer_arma> yep.  He would have split it into two tests, but we lost a week due to ice storms in January, so he removed a test and combined stuff from the test after this one to here,
16:40 <Lucifer_arma> and from the test after this one to the final
16:41 <Lucifer_arma> it'll be another short test, with fairly easy multiple choice questions, and 2-4 in-depth free answer questions
16:42 <Lucifer_arma> and they are in-depth.  :/  Each question will touch 3-4 sections from the textbook, so he tests almost a whole chapter with one question thataway
16:43 <z-man-work> Aww, I know those questions. If you don't know one detail, you're stuck in the middle and can't complete them.
16:43 <Lucifer_arma> yep, them's the ones.  :)
16:43 <Lucifer_arma> I like his tests, even with the multiple choice.  (He teaches like 7 classes each semester, so he uses multiple choice to make test-grading manageable)
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16:44 <Lucifer_arma> they're not so easy that you think you're skating through the class, but not so difficult that you don't think it's possible to do well on them
16:45 <z-man-work> I'm here if you have questions. I had hoped I had some training questions for you to answer in stock, but again, we're doing stuff differently.
16:45 <Lucifer_arma> I've got a review here, my problem right now is concentrating :/
16:46 <Lucifer_arma> the questions themselves aren't hard, just require concentration....  ;)
16:46 <z-man-work> My intention with the idle question asking was to get you to think on topic :)
16:46 <Lucifer_arma> :)
16:47 <Lucifer_arma> I think I'll play some guitar, maybe that'll clear my head a bit
16:59 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.wrtlprnft.servegame.org/index.php/Main_Page
16:59 <wrtlprnft> at least mediawiki works no problem :)
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17:07 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: sounds like there's a gap where God belongs
17:07 <z-man-work> NOT HELPING
17:08 <z-man-work> That's like saying "So, where is your god now?" when you have a problem.
17:08 <Lucifer_arma> luckily, it's very easy to ignore people here
17:08 <luke-jr_work> depends on if he ignores it or works to fix it
17:08 <luke-jr_work> addressing the symptoms of the problem is just that; unless the problem itself is fixed, it will just come back stronger
17:09 <luke-jr_work> I don't know how we're going to pay rent this month, but I do know it's pointless to worry about it
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17:10 <luke-jr_work> things always will work out as God sees best
17:10 <MrBougo> what rent?
17:10 <luke-jr_work> MrBougo: ...
17:10 <MrBougo> sorry
17:11 <epsy> hi
17:11 <MrBougo> hello
17:11 <luke-jr_work> MrBougo: $600 for a place to live each month
17:11 <MrBougo> aw
17:11 <MrBougo> sorry :(
17:11 <luke-jr_work> probably going up to about $1000 soon
17:12 <luke-jr_work> but in the end, whatever happens is for the best
17:13 <luke-jr_work> worrying about it and distrust in God will only make things much harder
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17:49 <GodTodd> isn't it also a Christian tenet, however, that God only helps those who help themselves?
17:55 <wrtlprnft> actually
17:55 <wrtlprnft> why should i worry about my english test tomorrow?
17:55 <wrtlprnft> god will fix it
17:55 <GodTodd> exactly :)
17:55 <wrtlprnft> i can just stay up till 4AM
17:56 <wrtlprnft> i can't sleep in because God will make the best things happen
17:56 <wrtlprnft> why even go to school?
17:56 <wrtlprnft> why did I just go grocery shopping? If I hadn't intervened with God the stuff might just have flown straight into the fridge
17:57 <wrtlprnft> for free, too
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18:01 <luke-jr_work> GodTodd: so obviously take care of your responsibilities, but don't fret over stuff
18:02 <wrtlprnft> isn't it your responsibility to pay your rent?
18:03 <z-man-work> You're confusing "not caring" with "not worrying".
18:22 <luke-jr_work> z-man-work: thanks, I wasn't sure how to explain that :)
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18:29 <GodTodd> ok...so perhaps worrying about it isn't constructive, except for the fact that it makes it natural to then worry *through* it
18:29 <GodTodd> s/*about*/about
18:30 <GodTodd> and if you don't worry *through* a situation then you're trusting whatever deity or power you follow to do it all for you
18:34 <luke-jr_work> nope
18:34 <luke-jr_work> you just make do with and do what you can without worrying about it all
18:35 <GodTodd> i said *through*
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18:35 <GodTodd> and i suppose that kind of attitude makes sense coming from you, come to think of it
18:36  * GodTodd stops before making a social commentary that won't help anything.
18:36 <luke-jr_work> worrying is useless whether you do something or not
18:37  * GodTodd refuses to repeat himself until/unless luke-jr_work actually reads and/or understands the difference.
18:38 <GodTodd> 10.	worry along or through, Informal. to progress or succeed by constant effort, despite difficulty: to worry through an intolerable situation.
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18:40 <duudii> #hello
18:40 <luke-jr_work> so which dictionary totally changes the meaning of "worry" based on the "through" qualifier?
18:40 <armabot> Hello duudii :) Random Fortune: Entropy requires no maintenance. || -- Markoff Chaney
18:40 <GodTodd> it's not changing the meaning....that's like saying that it's not valid to say "worrying the nut off the bolt"
18:41 <GodTodd> that's yet another *correct* use
18:42 <GodTodd> and FYI: Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.
19:03 <Lucifer_arma> worry it, baby
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19:27 <MrBougo> hello
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20:11 <MrBougo> http://www.di.fm/blog/read/2007/05/we-will-go-silent-unless-new-royalty.html
20:11 <MrBougo> save the internet radios
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20:33 <epsy> xD
20:33 <epsy> pollspamming :P
20:36 <epsy> eating..brb
20:38 <Vanhayes> #tea
20:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: Fortress Café: Players (16/32): ender|mbc|, Legion |mbc|, pavelo, Pitbull, tom, Wejp, ~ X ~, ~*SP*~ ØLÊfÀ	°¯, ~*SP*~freek, ~|DS|~zion, ~|DS|~|CruZ|~, ¦Ö¦$µbzero, ¦×¥Rico, °¯Hay-Lin, °¯NE®Ï, °°qain
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21:00 <epsy> #tea
21:00 <armabot> epsy: Fortress Café: Players (3/32): <[sute]>, Legion |mbc|, °°oixel
21:01 <epsy> heh
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21:07 <z-man> #m Lucifer_arma My wife would agree.
21:07 <armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
21:07 <Lucifer_arma> ty.  I'll run it by her and see...
21:12 <luke-jr_work> z-man: agree with what? O.o
21:13 <z-man> luke-jr_work: partner switching, obviously, or why do you think we're so cryptic? :)
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21:13 <[CH]DarkStar> #help lastseen
21:13 <armabot> [CH]DarkStar: (lastseen <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "fetch http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/lastseen.php?player=@1+@2+@3+@4+@5+@6+@7+@8+@9".
21:13 <[CH]DarkStar> #lastseen diva
21:14 <armabot> [CH]DarkStar: timed out
21:14 <[CH]DarkStar> grml -.-
21:17 <[CH]DarkStar> wrtlprnft: seems like your httpd is dead
21:22 <luke-jr_work> z-man...
21:24 <[CH]DarkStar> hmm i was wrong about the httpd XD
21:26 <wrtlprnft> [CH]DarkStar: if the guy you searched for hasn't been seen in a while the query takes too long
21:26 <wrtlprnft> and armabot gives up
21:27 <[CH]DarkStar> k
21:30 <[CH]DarkStar> #lastseen *BR*Diva!!*
21:30 <[CH]DarkStar> let's see if it works this time
21:31 <armabot> [CH]DarkStar: timed out
21:33 <Lucifer_arma> #math calc 388*12
21:33 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 4656
21:33 <Lucifer_arma> er, that's wrong
21:33 <deja_vu> *yaaaaawn*
21:34 <Lucifer_arma> wow, for 10k/year my child support payment would be $250/month
21:34 <Lucifer_arma> #math calc 10000/12
21:34 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 833.333333333
21:34 <Lucifer_arma> #math calc 10000/250
21:34 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 40
21:34 <Lucifer_arma> #math calc 250/10000 * 100
21:34 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 2.5
21:35 <Lucifer_arma> #math calc 250/833.33
21:35 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 0.300001200005
21:35 <Lucifer_arma> 30 percent for 3 kids
21:36 <Lucifer_arma> I should try to get custody of one of them
21:36 <Lucifer_arma> then she'd have to pay me 20% of her monthly income, and I'd have to pay her 25% of mine
21:38 <luke-jr_work> 15% + 5% per kid?
21:39 <luke-jr_work> so if you had 17 kids, it'd be 100% :o
21:40 <luke-jr_work> or even 5 kids by different women, but that's even more illegitimate
21:40 <xfroggy> O_o
21:41 <xfroggy> someone is getting divorced O_o
21:41 <luke-jr_work> divorce is impossible
21:42 <xfroggy> well at least you know kids are yours Lucifer_arma 
21:42 <xfroggy> my buddy is getting divorced in a few months and he isn't sure if the kid is even his :S
21:54 <luke-jr_work> divorce is impossible
21:59 <GodTodd> there's an awful lot of laws pertaining to an impossibility then
22:10 <luke-jr_work> it is a logical contradiction
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> ?
22:10 <luke-jr_work> divorce = "division of a marriage without death", but marriage includes "lifetime commitment"
22:10 <luke-jr_work> if it could be divided, it would not have been a marriage to begin with
22:15 <GodTodd> so, of course, because it involves "lifetime commitment" you should stay married no matter what, right?
22:16 <luke-jr_work> obviously it wouldn't be lifetime otherwise
22:16 <GodTodd> so infidelity, spousal abuse, child abuse...none of that should matter
22:16 <GodTodd> interesting
22:17 <luke-jr_work> can't break a marriage, no
22:17 <GodTodd> sure thing sparky
22:17 <luke-jr_work> those would be grounds for separation tho
22:17 <GodTodd> ah, but divorce is just separation
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> oh, arguing with luke
22:19 <luke-jr_work> no
22:19 <deja_vu> hehe
22:19 <luke-jr_work> divorce is supposed to dissolve the marriage
22:19 <GodTodd> nah...just pointing out how wrong he is when he puts out his opinion as fact :)
22:19 <GodTodd> luke-jr_work: look up a word once in a while
22:19 <luke-jr_work> which would imply the parties are free to remarry
22:20 <GodTodd> divorcing yourself from a situation is separating yourself from it
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22:20 <luke-jr_work> 1 : the action or an instance of legally dissolving a marriage
22:20 <GodTodd> divorce == separation
22:20 <GodTodd> there's more sparky :)
22:20 <luke-jr_work> not by common definitions
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: I forgot to mention what's obvious by now.  My server may disappear at any random point without warning.  Should be safe for a few days, though.
22:21 <GodTodd> k
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> not sure what to tell you, I thought everything was fine when you moved your website to it :/
22:21 <GodTodd> hopefully it doesn't come to that
22:21 <GodTodd> trust me...i understand
22:21 <GodTodd> i went through similar a few years ago
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22:24 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: have someone backup stuff from it?
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22:28 <zmanuel> meh, pulled the laptop's plug. Did I miss anything? Anyone struck by lightning for blasphemy?
22:28 -!- zmanuel is now known as z-man
22:28 <GodTodd> just luke-jr_work :)
22:31 <luke-jr_work> z-man: Luci warning that his server might go down
22:38 <z-man> yeah, he already posted that on the forum
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22:40 <Fattylicious> hello?
22:40 <z-man> yes?
22:40 <madmax|pt> yello
22:40 <Fattylicious> i have a question about the custom connect option
22:40 <Fattylicious> its not working for my friend and i
22:40 <Fattylicious> im just using the in game hosting, not a deadicated server
22:40 <Fattylicious> i give him my ip, he tries to connect, but it doesn't work
22:41 <Fattylicious> hes on a mac, im on a pc, but i don't think that should matter
22:41 <z-man> How are you connected to the internet?
22:41 <Fattylicious> wifi
22:41 <z-man> right, it should not matter
22:41 <z-man> and then? A router box?
22:41 <Fattylicious> yea
22:41 <Fattylicious> wait
22:41 <Fattylicious> no, excuse me
22:41 <Fattylicious> the router is directly connected
22:42 <z-man> How does your wifi get to the router???
22:42 <z-man> (does not really matter, but what matters is whether your data packets all go over that router or not)
22:42 <Fattylicious> yes, all my data packets do
22:42 <Fattylicious> the wireless router is directly connected to the internet
22:43 <z-man> Ok, then you need to set up port forwarding on the router.
22:43 <z-man> go to www.portforward.com
22:44 <Fattylicious> ok thanks
22:44 <z-man> better yet, go to http://www.portforward.com/english/applications/port_forwarding/F-22_Lightning_3/F-22_Lightning_3index.htm
22:45 <z-man> pick your router model and follow the instructions
22:45 <Fattylicious> lol thanks a bunch
22:45 <z-man> (it's for a different game, but the 4534 port that game uses is also used by armagetron, if you know what you're doing, you can leave out all the ports except for 4534)
22:47 <Fattylicious> ok
22:47 <Fattylicious> it says i need to set up a static ip address, but im using comcast and im pretty sure that only works with dynamic ip
22:47 <z-man> The static IP is only for your LAN, your public IP still will be dynamic
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22:48 <Fattylicious> ok thanks
22:48 <z-man> you CAN skip the step and just enter the IP the router assigned to your PC, it usually works OK anyway.
22:49 <Fattylicious> ok, but if my pc's ip is dynamic then it will only work till it changes, right?
22:49 <z-man> right.
22:49 <Fattylicious> ok, well then i guess i'll just set up a static one
22:49 <z-man> but routers usually assign the same IP to each PC every time.
22:49 <Fattylicious> thanks a bunch
22:49 <Fattylicious> ok
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23:03 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 56.7°F (4:05 PM CDT on May 03, 2007). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 51.8°F. Pressure: 28.94 in 979.9 hPa (Falling). 
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23:14 <Fattylicious> hi z-man one more question
23:14 <Fattylicious> actually 2 more
23:14 <Fattylicious> what port does armagetron use, and is it a tcp or a udp port?
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23:16 <xfroggy> Fattylicious, <z-man> (it's for a different game, but the 4534 port that game uses is also used by armagetron, if you know what you're doing, you can leave out all the ports except for 4534)
23:16 <Fattylicious> ok
23:16 <Fattylicious> is it a tcp port or a udp port
23:17 <xfroggy> TCP I believe
23:17 <xfroggy> U got an option for both?
23:17 <Fattylicious> yes, will they conflict?
23:17 <xfroggy> no
23:17 <Fattylicious> ok
23:17 <Fattylicious> thanks
23:17 <Fattylicious> well, it just says list the tcp ports and list the udp ports
23:18 <xfroggy> maybe its udp :/
23:18 <Fattylicious> idk if it will work if i list it under both, do you think?
23:18 <xfroggy> lol
23:18 <xfroggy> it shouldn't conflict
23:18 <Fattylicious> ok thanks
23:20 <xfroggy> Fattylicious, it's UDP lol
23:20 <xfroggy> Fattylicious, http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Server_Administration_Guide#Port_forwarding
23:21 <luke-jr_work> z-man: are you still planning to implement XMPP?
23:22 <Fattylicious> ok
23:22 <luke-jr_work> z-man: if so, I might note that if it is used to replace the current master server protocol, and also to do initial connection negotiation, it would make firewall bypassing easy
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23:22 <luke-jr_work> z-man: eg, prenegotiate the UDP ports via the XMPP connection
23:22 <z-man> luke-jr_work: I don't really feel competent.
23:23 <z-man> and it won't work with custom connects :)
23:23 <luke-jr_work> aww
23:23 <luke-jr_work> z-man: it can
23:23 <luke-jr_work> for custom connect to a JID :p
23:23 <z-man> not with the custom connect for paranoids who don't want a third party to know about the connection
23:24 <luke-jr_work> that's impossible
23:24 <luke-jr_work> except for LAN perhaps
23:24 <z-man> see? :)
23:24 <luke-jr_work> impossible with or without XMPP :p
23:24 <luke-jr_work> except for LAN, an ISP will always know
23:25 <z-man> Ok, well, nobody except the ISPs and the various relays :)
23:25 <luke-jr_work> and on LAN, you don't need NAT bypass
23:25 <z-man> no SERVER ADMIN.
23:25 <luke-jr_work> server admin always knows cuz that's where they're connecting to
23:25 <luke-jr_work> why should they treat an IP router admin different from a XMPP router admin?
23:26 <luke-jr_work> anyhow, for NAT bypass, a third party must always be involved
23:26  * z-man switches the topic before it gets one of those talks
23:26 <luke-jr_work> so obviously if they're too paranoid for a third party, they can't do NAT bypass
23:26 <z-man> Anyone know a way to record a h323 video converence?
23:26 <luke-jr_work> without manual pot forwarding
23:27 <luke-jr_work> z-man: do you need the ability to play it back? :)
23:27 <z-man> Err, yes :)
23:27 <luke-jr_work> Wireshark could do it if not :p
23:27 <luke-jr_work> someone needs to write a program to reinject Wireshark captures into a tap device
23:27 <z-man> Preferably it should be saved so it can be played back in a regular media player.
23:27 <luke-jr_work> or you could try extracting the video data from it
23:28 <z-man> I don't want to code anything, actually.
23:28 <ghableska> #tea
23:28 <luke-jr_work> you might be able to trick mplayer into saving it
23:28 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (15/32): Beauty Lies, CTT|safarizone, G5, james bond, Kamakazi, MaZuffeR, PANOLIZATOR, plank, PlayHardGOPro, ShowHealion, Tiger, ~*SP*~ ØMÊgÀ, ~|DS-T|~error, ¦×¥ FoFo, °°Keonidas
23:28 <z-man> does mplayer understand h323?
23:29 <luke-jr_work> not sure
23:31 <z-man> let's see what openh323 can do
23:31 <luke-jr_work> isn't that a mere lib?
23:31 <z-man> It has some command line programs.
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23:42 <GodTodd> anywho...
23:42  * GodTodd farts.
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