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Log from 2007-04-15:
--- Day changed Sun Apr 15 2007
00:06 <Lucifer_arma> alright, time to go to plan b, apparently
00:07 <Lucifer_arma> it seems that you have to return the mask to the manufacturer to replace the bib anyway, in spite of the appearance of there being quality replacement bibs for sale
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00:07 <Lucifer_arma> plan b is to use the old bib as a pattern and make a new one.  How hard can it be?
00:09 <DrJoeTron> hope dis works
00:09 <DrJoeTron> YES
00:10 <DrJoeTron> AMERICA WINS
00:11 <|Sticky|> U.S.A...U.S.A
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00:14 <digitx> #serverinfo norm
00:14 <digitx> #serverinfo marathon
00:14 <armabot> digitx: Norm's Place: Players (11/12): ???, AOKMeXX, Blond, Doofus The Ugly, Gromit, Illimp, Pomerange, Spheny(SUN), Spicoli, Syndicate, ~$cri¶s~
00:15 <digitx> na
00:15 <armabot> digitx: Crazy Tronners Wild Marathon: No online players.
00:15 <digitx> #te
00:15 <digitx> #tea
00:15 <armabot> digitx: Fortress Café: Players (5/32): Kamakazi, madmax, Search clan, [AT]Robert, ©S¦µ4
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00:56 <P4> madmax|pt
00:56 <madmax|pt> hey
00:56 <P4> hi :}
00:56 <madmax|pt> ok, is it that hard to believe?
00:56 <madmax|pt> o_O
00:56 <P4> yes!
00:56 <digitx> hi p4
00:56 <P4> hi digitx
00:56 <P4> well..
00:56 <madmax|pt> that reminds of the multiple axes issue, now that gets me tired
00:57 <P4> i change few varaibles than fortress_complete adds so i got to find them by playing and reset
00:57 <P4> heheh
00:57 <madmax|pt> and that's also why marathon should have less >4 axes maps :p
00:57 <P4> why dont you just use doublenig
00:57 <P4> with you finger-power you would be much better
00:57 <madmax|pt> well, i always played with single, why start now...
00:58 <P4> just to try
00:58 <madmax|pt> heh no thanks
00:58 <P4> why doesnt use second hand to feel more ingame ;}
00:58 <MaZuffeR> single binds FTW!
00:58 <P4> like eyes, eats, two hands :}
00:58 <P4> maybe foots some day :)
00:58 <madmax|pt> well, one is for left+right, other is for brakes+glance
00:59 <P4> and all huge own motorbike with 100'' plasma inside and xbox with armagetron on some gentoo? :)
01:00 <P4> feel 1st person races on that box :}
01:00 <madmax|pt> ...and incam
01:00 <P4> yes 1st person i mean incam :}
01:01 <P4> why if there's no players a i cant execute any command on server console
01:01 <P4> if there's only spectators command players not working
01:02 <P4> nor anythong
01:02 <madmax|pt> er
01:02 <madmax|pt> I think I have to try Fonkay's frozen grapes idea
01:03 <P4> #cfg penalty
01:03 <armabot> P4: ENEMY_CHATBOT_PENALTY: Penalty in seconds if the victim is in chatbot state and the enemy influence is just the chatbot evading a wall (default: 30) || ENEMY_DEAD_PENALTY: Penalty on the effective time in seconds if the enemy influence detection comes from a dead player (default: 0) || ENEMY_TEAMMATE_PENALTY: Penalty on the effective time in seconds if the enemy influence detection is from a (1 more message)
01:04 <P4> #more
01:04 <armabot> P4: teammate (default: 2500) || SPAM_PENALTY: Number of seconds to silence a spammer. (default: 10)
01:09 <madmax|pt> do you want a fortress_complete? :p
01:11 <ghableska> #ghab
01:11 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 55.4°F (6:10 PM CDT on April 14, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 33%. Dew Point: 26.6°F. Pressure: 28.96 in 980.6 hPa. 
01:11 <P4> yes
01:11 <P4> enter my server mad
01:11 <P4> #silesia
01:11 <armabot> P4: CT|P4.silesia.pol.eu: Players (2/6): §´®µ® §2, ©S¦µ4
01:13 <ghableska> #tea
01:13 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (4/32): Ðûqkå, ~*SP*~viper~, ~|DS|~zion, ¦×¥ $µazero
01:16 <P4> #cfg brakes
01:16 <armabot> P4: Sorry, no matches :S
01:16 <P4> #cfg brake
01:16 <armabot> P4: CYCLE_BRAKE: Brake intensity (default: 30) || CYCLE_BRAKE_DEPLETE: Rate at which the brake reservoir depletes when you are braking (default: 1) || CYCLE_BRAKE_DEPLETE_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when CYCLE_BRAKE_DEPLETE differs from its default? (default: 3) || CYCLE_BRAKE_REFILL: Rate at which the brake reservoir refills when you are not braking (default: 0.1) || (1 more message)
01:16 <|Sticky|> #tea
01:16 <armabot> |Sticky|: Fortress Café: Players (3/32): ~*SP*~viper~, ~|DS|~zion, ¦×¥ $µazero
01:19 <P4> #cfg speed
01:19 <armabot> P4: CAMERA_CUSTOM_BACK_FROMSPEED: This value is multiplied with the current speed and added to CAMERA_CUSTOM_BACK. (default: 0.5) || CAMERA_CUSTOM_RISE_FROMSPEED: This value is multiplied with the current speed and added to CAMERA_CUSTOM_RISE. (default: 0.4) || CAMERA_CUSTOM_TURN_SPEED: Speed the custom camera turns with (default: 4) || CAMERA_CUSTOM_TURN_SPEED_180: Extra factor to (8 more messages)
01:20 <P4> #more
01:20 <armabot> P4: CAMERA_CUSTOM_TURN_SPEED after a quick reverse (default: 4) || CAMERA_IN_TURN_SPEED: Speed the internal camera turns with (default: 40) || CAMERA_SERVER_CUSTOM_BACK_FROMSPEED: This value is multiplied with the current speed and added to CAMERA_SERVER_CUSTOM_BACK. (default: 0) || CAMERA_SERVER_CUSTOM_RISE_FROMSPEED: This value is multiplied with the current speed and added to (7 more messages)
01:20 <P4> #cfg cycle_speed
01:20 <armabot> P4: CYCLE_SPEED: Basic speed of your cycle if you drive straight and not close to walls (default: 30) || CYCLE_SPEED_DECAY_ABOVE: Rate of cycle speed approaching the value of CYCLE_SPEED from above (default: 0.1) || CYCLE_SPEED_DECAY_ABOVE_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when CYCLE_SPEED_DECAY_ABOVE differs from its default? (default: 3) || CYCLE_SPEED_DECAY_BELOW: Rate of cycle speed approaching (2 more messages)
01:24 <P4> #cfg cycle_delay
01:24 <armabot> P4: CYCLE_DELAY: Minimum time between turns (must be greater than 0) (default: 0.1) || CYCLE_DELAY_DOUBLEBIND_BONUS: cycle_delay_doublebind_bonus_help (default: 1) || CYCLE_DELAY_DOUBLEBIND_BONUS_OVERRIDE: cycle_delay_doublebind_bonus_override_help (default: 3) || CYCLE_DELAY_TIMEBASED: Turn delays will be based on the time since the last turn if this is 1 (default) and the distance if this is 0. (1 more message)
01:24 <madmax|pt> you can /msg armabot too :p
01:24 <P4> #cfg cycle_accel
01:24 <armabot> P4: CYCLE_ACCEL: Wall acceleration factor (default: 10) || CYCLE_ACCEL_ENEMY: Multiplicator to CYCLE_ACCEL for your enemies' walls (default: 1) || CYCLE_ACCEL_ENEMY_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when CYCLE_ACCEL_ENEMY differs from its default? (default: 3) || CYCLE_ACCEL_OFFSET: Minimum numeric wall distance, must be positive (default: 2) || CYCLE_ACCEL_RIM: Multiplicator to CYCLE_ACCEL for the (3 more messages)
01:27  * ghableska yawns
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01:32 <P4> hi ghableska: }
01:35 <madmax|pt> heh going to bed
01:35 <madmax|pt> gnight
01:35 <P4> #cfg size_factor
01:35 <armabot> P4: FONT_SIZE_FACTOR: font_size_factor_help (default: 0.9) || REAL_ARENA_SIZE_FACTOR: The currently active arena size. Leave it alone! Change size_factor instead. (default: 0.353553) || SIZE_FACTOR: Arena size modifier (default: -3) || SP_SIZE_FACTOR: Arena size modifier (default: -3)
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01:39 <P4> #cfg speed_factor
01:39 <armabot> P4: CYCLE_TURN_SPEED_FACTOR: Factor the speed of a lightcycle is multiplied with when turning (default: 0.95) || CYCLE_TURN_SPEED_FACTOR_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when CYCLE_TURN_SPEED_FACTOR differs from its default? (default: 3) || REAL_CYCLE_SPEED_FACTOR: The currently active cycle speed multiplier. Leave it alone! Change speed_factor instead. (default: 1) || SPEED_FACTOR: Speed modifier (1 more message)
01:39 <P4> #more
01:39 <armabot> P4: for the cycles (default: 0) || SP_SPEED_FACTOR: Speed modifier for the cycles (default: 0)
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02:08 <P4> echo $dec64(My4xNDE1OTI2NTM1M3NlY3M=)
02:08 <P4> ups
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02:56 <DrJoeTron> #serverinfo cage
02:56 <armabot> DrJoeTron: The Lobster Cage: No online players.
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03:11 <armabot> I love you more than ice cream!
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03:17 <P4> #cfg cycle_delay_timebased
03:17 <armabot> P4: CYCLE_DELAY_TIMEBASED: Turn delays will be based on the time since the last turn if this is 1 (default) and the distance if this is 0. Intermediate values and values out of these bounds are supported as well. (default: 1) || CYCLE_DELAY_TIMEBASED_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when CYCLE_DELAY_TIMEBASED differs from its default? (default: 3)
03:18 <P4> hmm...
03:18 <P4> i don't know what's wrong with my settings
03:18 <P4> anyone can valid it against ctwf server map?
03:19 <P4> or maybe just detect what settings are different
03:19 <P4> #silesia
03:19 <armabot> P4: CT|P4.silesia.pol.eu: Players (1/6): ©S¦µ4
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03:24 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
03:24 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Custer & Pleasant Valley, Plano, Texas is 49.5°F (8:28 PM CDT on April 14, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 37.4°F. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018.2 hPa. 
03:26 <GodTodd> #google "comparable interface" + java
03:26 <armabot> GodTodd: Search took 0.23 seconds: Comparable ( Java 2 Platform SE v1.4.2): <http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/docs/api/java/lang/Comparable.html>; Comparable ( Java 2 Platform SE 5.0): <http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/api/java/lang/Comparable.html>; ONJava.com -- Making Java Objects Comparable: <http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2003/03/12/java_comp.html>; ONJava.com -- Making Java (2 more messages)
03:34 <P4> #ctcpme
03:53 <P4> i cant unban myself, is it bug?
03:53 <P4> there's no players on server
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04:45 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
04:45 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Custer & Pleasant Valley, Plano, Texas is 46.8°F (9:49 PM CDT on April 14, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 37.4°F. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019.2 hPa. 
04:48 <ghableska> #ghab
04:48 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 48.2°F (9:50 PM CDT on April 14, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 26.6°F. Pressure: 29.00 in 981.9 hPa. 
04:53 <ghableska> #armaservers
04:53 <armabot> ghableska: Wild West =Capture The Flag= (10 players) || {Delicious Desserts} Custom Map (8 players) || SPACEZONE III (6 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (6 players) || ~"XzL.Clan The Server (6 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬ (New!) (5 players) || The Arena (5 players) || ~=ReN.Renegades Clan Server (5 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (5 players) || Y e l l o w S u b m a r i n (1 more message)
04:53 <ghableska> #more
04:53 <armabot> ghableska: e (4 players) || -=}ID< -=}Immortal Dynasty< -=}High Rubber< (4 players) || MicroBusCity.com (3 players) || ~*SpeederS*~ Server (3 players) || Wild West =Fortress= (2 players) || Swampland in 2.7.1 (Backup) (1 players)
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05:00 <armabot> The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 32.5°F (8:45 PM CDT on April 11, 2007). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 28.4°F. Windchill: 26.6°F. Pressure: 28.66 in 970.4 hPa. 
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05:28 <Vanhayes> #night
05:28 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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05:40 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Aang/race/thesecretrace-1.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Aang
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05:41 <Aang> Did you see me uplading maps?
05:42 <Aang> Did it work? Please tell me...
05:42 <Aang> Meh, got other things to do
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05:53 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Aang/race/therace-1.2.aamap.xml: Resource by Aang
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06:03 <Lucifer_arma> well, today's DOH! moment is over, now that the battery in my drill is dead
06:07 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.amazon.com/Chest-Guard-Women-s-Maxi/dp/B0006JMRAG/ref=sr_1_15/104-7299919-2507112?ie=UTF8&s=sporting-goods&qid=1176610169&sr=1-15   <--- fencing is so awesome
06:21 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Aang/race/therace-1.3.aamap.xml: Resource by Aang
06:26 <GodTodd> a doh moment, eh?
06:29 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Aang/race/therace-1.4.aamap.xml: Resource by Aang
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.amazon.com/gp/registry/wishlist/3GWDDK9IH6O0N/
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, were you here earlier when I was trying to figure out how to get the glue off the fencing mask?
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06:39 <lizalo> yo
06:39 <lizalo> anybody plain?
06:39 <lizalo> i wanna come in
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.amazon.com/gp/registry/wishlist/3GWDDK9IH6O0N/
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> oops, sorry, did't mean to do that twice
06:57 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: i was kinda here then, yeah
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> well, the doh! moment was when I realized I had a drill and a wire brush for that drill
06:57 <GodTodd> heh
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> drill is chordless, doh! moment ended when the battery died and I have to wait until tomorrow to finish it :)
06:57 <GodTodd> :)
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> I'm gonna try to get some paint tomorrow, finish cleaning out the glue, and then paint it, and use that little project to distract my kdis while my wife takes a test
06:59 <GodTodd> ahhh
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> I have to make a new bib, which shouldn't be that hard, then some $8 padding ought to finish it up
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> I'd like to punch test it before that, but I don't have one
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> the time to punch test it is after it's painted, and before I do all that other crap
07:09 <lizalo> luke-jr: oh shit
07:09 <lizalo> Lucifer_arma: yo
07:09 <lizalo> Lucifer_arma: what server
07:09 <lizalo> sorry guys
07:09 <lizalo> i forgot i asked a question in here
07:09 <lizalo> anybody playing?
07:10 <lizalo> hehe heh
07:10 <lizalo> did i misspell something earlier
07:12 <lizalo> o hehe
07:12 <lizalo> yeah that is my hurry up language =)
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> too bad your hurry up language doesn't make sense to us, the end result is that your question isn't answered as quickly as you want
07:16 <lizalo> Lucifer_arma: you must be 13
07:16 <lizalo> even thogh i misslpeld that made sense
07:16 <lizalo> ...15 year old would understood if read
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> then you're obviously 15, and I'm more than twice your age
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> wow, that fencing kit I bid on is up to $62.55
07:17 <lizalo> Lucifer_arma: ...u sure act my age then
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> obviously not, since I insist people not butcher language for convenience
07:18 <lizalo> 0_o
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> if you actually thought about it, you'd understand how that indicates I'm older and behaving appropriately for my age
07:18 <lizalo> i gunna butcher it and butcher it haha =)
07:18 <lizalo> ..u take this so seriusly
07:18 <lizalo> ..ur making me feel like im in jail...
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> indeed.  How many people suffer over miscommunication?
07:18 <lizalo> let me talk how i wanna talk if it dont get answered so what.. i dont care
07:19 <lizalo> if it was so important i dont think it be in my hurry language =)
07:19 <lizalo> so plz let me write how i want to write
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> it was only important to you, and I was pointing out how your sense of self-importance defeated your purpose
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> that is entirely your problem, of course
07:19 <lizalo> Lucifer_arma: plz 
07:19 <lizalo> cc man
07:20 <lizalo> ..let it go man.. all i d was come in and asked who was playing
07:20 <lizalo> luke-jr: perfectly understood what i was asking haha
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> let it go?  just quit talking about it
07:20 <lizalo> =)))))))))))))))))))))))))))
07:20 <spidey> btw
07:20 <spidey> why do people insist on using "u"
07:20 <spidey> is it that hard to type two more letters?
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> can't spell?
07:21 <spidey> heh
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> the ones that really don't make sense to me are the ones that wind up being the same number of letters, and the "abbreviations" are harder to type than the original words
07:21 <lizalo> haha laziness
07:21 <lizalo> thats right
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> lazy of thought, lazy in deed
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> lazy indeed
07:22 <lizalo> thats exactly why i use u instead of you
07:22 <lizalo> =)
07:22 <spidey> Lucifer_arma: heh, indeed
07:22 <lizalo> im a lazy bastard
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> my shift keys almost never work
07:22 <lizalo> i even own a lazy boy chair =)
07:22 <spidey> ..
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's true.  They've been casualties of my three-year-old's work on my keyboard.
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> I'm already down to one ctrl key
07:23 <spidey> i don't cap sentences because it'd take more time
07:23 <spidey> :p
07:23 <lizalo> i cnat use any keys on my keyboard
07:23 <lizalo> i dunno wt f
07:23 <spidey> though, typing two more letters = the time it takes to press shift
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> nah, you can roll your fingers over y, o, and u
07:23 <spidey> true
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, I think "you" is easier to type than "I"
07:24 <spidey>  O.o
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> which is why I usually say "you suck"
07:24 <spidey> wrong
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> "I" is one of the few words where I shift correctly, i.e. with the pinky opposite
07:24 <spidey> i type you with both hands
07:25 <spidey> luke-jr: you never counted, what's your point?
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> you should try with a dvorak keyboard at some point
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> speaking of whiches, I keep meaning to switch this one out as a dvorak
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> seeing as how my kid has proven so successfully that the keys are all interchangeable
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> I got pretty fast with a dvorak at one point
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> but my wife couldn't type on it
07:26 <spidey> lol
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> (not that she can really type anyway)
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> heh
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> I use a wrapper for gcc that gives it colored output
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> aw man, it would be just plain wrong for me to try to outbid this guy
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> he was the guy that opened the bidding, which means he either really wants the kit, or he's a sockpuppet.  In either case, I shouldn't even try, because I'll wind up paying more than it's worth
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=260105807935
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07:32 <GodTodd> bt f u rly wnt t u shld bd newy
07:33 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Aang/race/therace-1.5.aamap.xml: Resource by Aang
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> anybody want to start a clan called "Epsilon Delta Gamma Kappa Fuck You"?
07:34 <spidey> me!
07:35 <spidey> ALIENS ARE COMING TO ABDUCT ALL THE GOOD LOOKING AND SEXY PEOPLE FROM EARTH.
07:35 <spidey>  
07:35 <spidey> YOU WILL BE SAFE; I'M JUST  SAYING GOODBYE!
07:35 <spidey> :D
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, man, this fencing thing might cure me of my video game addiction....
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07:46 <spidey> wow
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07:46 <spidey> emptying my yahoo trash folder froze FF
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> I want to get into actual rapier fencing
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> cool, local fencing club has something called "open fencing" from 7:30pm to 10pm
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> Visiting fencers are always welcome at AFC, and can train with club members during open fencing. 
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> yay, so there *is* a place where I can go fence :)
08:06 <Lucifer_arma> for $10/pop, though
08:09 <spidey> 		
08:09 <spidey> 	
08:09 <spidey> NEW! 512MB Avant Quality PC2700 Memory for Desktop PC!
08:09 <spidey> Top Quality Memory for Budget RAM Price!!!
08:09 <spidey> This auction is for a great stick of PC2100 Avant brand 512MB memory
08:09 <spidey> pwned
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08:16 <Aang> Awwww durka aint here either...
08:16 <Aang> #m Durka  You said you would help me, then you dissapeared!
08:16 <armabot> Aang: The operation succeeded.
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08:25 <MrBougo> yelo!
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> great, now he's a driveby whiner
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> hiya bougo
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> #m Aang dude, don't be a drive-by whiner.  If you want help in the irc channel, you have to lurk until someone who can help you shows up and starts helping.  We all live in different timezones, you're going to have to deal with that.
08:31 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
08:31 <MrBougo> yelo
08:31 <MrBougo> wtf!
08:32 <MrBougo> Aang is stil there? :p
08:37 <arctanx> Aang is also 13
08:37 <arctanx> can you tell? :P
08:37 <MrBougo> ew
08:37 <MrBougo> many people are like that when they're 13
08:37 <MrBougo> i think i wasnt
08:38 <MrBougo> whew, this song is amazing
08:38  * MrBougo is now playing: Andio feat. L.B. - Big Love (Miami Mix)
08:38 <arctanx> I know I was when I was 13 -_-
08:38 <MrBougo> a remix of a Fleetwood Mac's song
08:38 <MrBougo> i dont like FM
08:39 <arctanx> I love fleetwood mac
08:39 <MrBougo> were you? :p
08:39 <MrBougo> i can understand :)
08:39 <arctanx> yep. you could tell by the fact that I had the username "Sheepmaster"
08:39 <MrBougo> whew
08:39 <MrBougo> amazing
08:39 <MrBougo> xD
08:39 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Aang/race/therace-1.6.aamap.xml: Resource by Aang
08:39 <MrBougo> lool!
08:39 <arctanx> yeah that's the other thing
08:39 <MrBougo> -o
08:39 <arctanx> how did a 13yo learn to commit
08:40 <arctanx> I haven't worked out cvs/svn yet
08:40 <MrBougo> hehe
08:40 <MrBougo> you've just got owned
08:40 <MrBougo> #quote get 46
08:40 <armabot> MrBougo: Quote #46: "<Lucifer_arma> ooo, a fez. I would look awesome in a fez (2007-04-12 19:38)" (added by MrBougo at 09:33 PM, April 14, 2007)
08:40 <arctanx> possibly
08:40 <arctanx> hah
08:40 <MrBougo> xD
08:40 <arctanx> #quote
08:40 <MrBougo> #quote random
08:40 <armabot> MrBougo: Quote #8: "master your own mind, otherwise the game will destroy you -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 04:27 PM, March 29, 2006)
08:40 <arctanx> #quote random
08:40 <armabot> arctanx: Quote #12: "'ebuild blah portage rocks emerge hotplug coldplig - armabot mashuffle'" (added by n54 at 05:44 PM, March 29, 2006)
08:41 <MrBougo> wtf?
08:41 <arctanx> o_O
08:41 <arctanx> #quote random
08:41 <armabot> arctanx: Quote #44: "the real question is, what idiot hosted a server for Hyphy? -- Lucifer_arma" (added by ghableska at 04:02 AM, March 05, 2007)
08:46 <MrBougo> #quote random
08:46 <armabot> MrBougo: Quote #22: "i got a pen from a microsoft rep about 2 months ago.. already stopped working properly -- Plazma" (added by Lucifer_arma at 03:46 AM, September 19, 2006)
08:46 <MrBougo> xD
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> I'll be back after you guys quit pinging me
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08:49 <MrBougo> errr...
08:49 <MrBougo> wtf!
08:50 <MrBougo> poor guy :(
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08:55 <MrBougo> yelo
08:55 <philippeqc> hi
08:55 <MrBougo> philippeqc, don't ping lucifer_arma
08:55 <MrBougo> he doesnt like this
08:55 <MrBougo> #last --from lucifer_arma
08:55 <armabot> MrBougo: [08:49:08] <Lucifer_arma> I'll be back after you guys quit pinging me
08:56 <MrBougo> #quote get 47
08:56 <armabot> MrBougo: Quote #47: "ooo, a fez. I would look awesome in a fez -- Lucifer_arma (2007-04-12 19:38)" (added by MrBougo at 08:48 AM, April 15, 2007)
08:56 <MrBougo> :
08:56 <MrBougo> ok ima play tremulous
08:56 <philippeqc> what is a fez?
08:56 <MrBougo> http://www.villagehatshop.com/media/thumbsup.php?image=vhs-fez.jpg&width=375
08:57 <philippeqc> Yes, fez make someone look awesome!
09:03 <MrBougo> wtf!
09:03 <MrBougo> man, dont trust your PC technician
09:03 <MrBougo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOP5By5FevU
09:04 <philippeqc> cant watch utube here.
09:04 <MrBougo> ew
09:04 <MrBougo> wait
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09:06 <MrBougo> http://www.ask.engadget.com/2007/04/14/geek-squad-technician-arrested-for-invading-customers-shower/
09:06 <MrBougo> hello Aang
09:06 <Aang> Hello
09:07 <Aang> Funny story...
09:07 <MrBougo> :p
09:08 <Aang> Why would you do that, absolutely stupid.
09:09 <Aang> Well i'm off, i'm going to play a sweet game call Armagetron, you heard of it?
09:09 <philippeqc> One day puberty will find you, and stupid activities will spur around you (though that one is really off the scale)
09:10 <Aang> I just dropped by to see if durka is on, maybe he is playing... 
09:10 <Aang> And considering i need to go out to dinner...
09:10 <Aang> #bye
09:10 <armabot> Goodbye Aang :(
09:10 <philippeqc> cya
09:11 <Aang> cya, for now....!
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09:26 <MrBougo> this guy is amazing
09:26 <MrBougo> omg
09:44 <xfroggy> amazing? lol
09:44 <xfroggy> hey MrBougo ;P
09:45 <xfroggy> more like he is on the treasure hunt for Durka O_o
09:45 <xfroggy> #weather 33065
09:45 <armabot> xfroggy: The current temperature in K9PI Coral Springs, FL, Coral Springs, Florida is 78.1°F (3:46 AM EDT on April 15, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 71.6°F. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa.  Wind Advisory in effect from 11 am to 8 PM EDT Sunday... 
09:45 <xfroggy> #g 78.1F in C
09:45 <armabot> xfroggy: 78.1 degrees Fahrenheit = 25.6111111 degrees Celsius
09:50 <philippeqc> #g 80.0F in C
09:50 <armabot> philippeqc: 80.0 degrees Fahrenheit = 26.6666667 degrees Celsius
09:50 <philippeqc> #g 85.0F in C
09:50 <armabot> philippeqc: 85.0 degrees Fahrenheit = 29.4444444 degrees Celsius
09:50 <philippeqc> #g 90.0F in C
09:50 <armabot> philippeqc: 90.0 degrees Fahrenheit = 32.2222222 degrees Celsius
09:51 <philippeqc> #g 100C in F
09:51 <armabot> philippeqc: 100 degrees Celsius = 212 degrees Fahrenheit
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10:09 <MrBougo> wb
10:09 <MrBougo> we stopped pinging you
10:09 <MrBougo> sorry :p
10:10 <digitx> jouer á trem?
10:10 <MrBougo> empty tron servs
10:11 <MrBougo> non
10:11 <MrBougo> i dont want to
10:14 <MrBougo> i hate the quicktime plugin for firefox
10:14 <MrBougo> it always crashes with playlists
10:14 <MrBougo> and NO IM NOT USING QUICKTIME
10:14 <MrBougo> ive installed quicktime alternative =D
10:15 <digitx> :D
10:23 <Lucifer_arma> tron servers weren't empty a little while ago, we had a good fortress game going :)
10:24 <Lucifer_arma> (but I kept getting pinged...heh)
10:24 <MrBougo> ew
10:24 <Lucifer_arma> you don't like fortress anymore?
10:24 <MrBougo> i luv it
10:24 <MrBougo> but the classic fortress servs are always empty when i join
10:24 <MrBougo> i had the funniest matches of my life on fortress servs
10:25 <MrBougo> the best one was CVS test, wasnt it? :p
10:25 <digitx> #serverinfo wild
10:25 <armabot> digitx: Wild West  =Wild Fortress=: Players (6/12): :, A BIG BURGER, åopå® t¡øm, Beni, epicX, waffles
10:25 <MrBougo> heh!
10:25 <MrBougo> lets join this
10:26 <MrBougo> shite :p
10:26 <MrBougo> it isnt classic fort
10:26 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: i resolved (most of) my ruby prob
10:27 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah?
10:27  * Lucifer_arma doesn't do wild fortress
10:27 <MrBougo> omg
10:27 <philippeqc> except that now configure.ac need to be updated, but it seems to be outside of my competence
10:27 <MrBougo> sometimes crazy tronner's
10:27 <Lucifer_arma> what's the error now?
10:27 <philippeqc> yeah, with configure "--with-ruby=ruby1.8"
10:27 <MrBougo> i remember that wrtlprnft made one of the funniest maps on CTF
10:27 <MrBougo> but i dont remember which :/
10:28 <philippeqc> the part of configure that check for ruby_run doesnt seem to use the information passed by "--with-ruby"
10:29 <philippeqc> As long as I keep line 824-828 from configure.ac commented out, I compile the game just fine. 
10:29 <Lucifer_arma> you're still off the trunk?
10:29 <philippeqc> yes
10:29 <philippeqc> no
10:29 <MrBougo> heh, Supresa is from Leon Bolier?
10:29 <MrBougo> wtf
10:30 <philippeqc> I'm on the trunk
10:30 <MrBougo> err Poseidon*
10:31 <Lucifer_arma> is ruby in your path?
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> you're right, it doesn't look like it uses the with ruby parameter
10:34 <digitx> :)
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> what information are you giving to --with-ruby ?
10:38 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: 
10:38 <philippeqc> "--with-ruby=ruby1.8"
10:41 <Lucifer_arma> is the program "ruby1.8" in your path?
10:42 <philippeqc> ph@Pompeus:/usr/lib$ whereis ruby1.8
10:42 <philippeqc> ruby1: /usr/bin/ruby1.8 /usr/X11R6/bin/ruby1.8 /usr/bin/X11/ruby1.8
10:42 <philippeqc> ph@Pompeus:/usr/lib$ whereis ruby
10:42 <philippeqc> ruby: /usr/bin/ruby1.8 /usr/bin/ruby /usr/lib/ruby /usr/X11R6/bin/ruby1.8 /usr/X11R6/bin/ruby /usr/bin/X11/ruby1.8 /usr/bin/X11/ruby /usr/share/man/man1/ruby.1.gz
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> does it work if you don't give it a --with-ruby parameter?
10:43 <philippeqc> at linking, it fails as it tries agains -lruby, which doesnt exist (I just added /usr/lib/ruby)
10:43 <Lucifer_arma> it needs libruby.so or libruby.a
10:44 <Lucifer_arma> --with-ruby=<this is expected to be a complete path to the binary>
10:44 <philippeqc> really?
10:44 <Lucifer_arma> if it's not, but what you give causes a call to ruby, it might work, but behavior is undefined, afaik
10:45 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I'm looking at ac_check_prog right now :)
10:45 <Lucifer_arma> then we run a little script to get config items from ruby directly
10:45 <Lucifer_arma> compile/link flags, include directories, etc.
10:50 <philippeqc> my current therory is that as /usr/lib/libruby.so doesnt exit, I should be able to tell it to use libruby1.8.so (and similar all over)
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> it gets that information from ruby directly
10:50 <philippeqc> the good folks at Ubuntu seems not to want to user xxxruby, but rather xxxruby1.8 or xxxruby1.9
10:51 <Lucifer_arma> it's fine as long as our ruby script gives up the linker flags accordingly
10:51 <philippeqc> the --with-ruby=ruby1.8 does that for me
10:52 <philippeqc> the linker receives "-lruby1.8"
10:53 <Lucifer_arma> ruby_lib_dir="-L${ruby_lib_dir} -l${RUBY}"   <--- this is how we ultimately add to $LIBS
10:53 <philippeqc> but at this point RUBY Seems to have been set from the info passed by --with-ruby
10:53 <philippeqc> s/RUBY/$RUBY/
10:54 <Lucifer_arma> right, that's how ac_check_prog works
10:54 <Lucifer_arma> you give it a variable, and if it finds the program, it puts the path to that program in your variable, which is RUBY
10:54 <Lucifer_arma> but, if that variable is set, ac_check_prog does nothing
10:54 <Lucifer_arma> so, we don't actually check that case to see if it's set properly
10:55 <Lucifer_arma> then we use ac_check_lib for ruby, not ruby1.8 mind you, just ruby
10:55 <philippeqc> But by default on my system, there is no "/usr/lib/libruby.so" only "/usr/lib/libruby<version either 1.8 and/or 1.9>.so"
11:02 <philippeqc> the whole problem dissapear if I do "ln -s /usr/lib/libruby1.8.so /usr/lib/libruby.so"
11:02 <philippeqc> but remains for all Ubuntu users
11:04 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I don't have a quick fix for this
11:04 <Lucifer_arma> sorry
11:04 <Lucifer_arma> :(
11:04 <Lucifer_arma> what we need to do is this:
11:05 <Lucifer_arma> on line 824, right after we check ruby, we need to run a script that gets the name of the ruby library on the system
11:05 <Lucifer_arma> so something like:
11:05 <philippeqc> cant the check for ruby_run be made on the info received from --with-ruby?
11:05 <Lucifer_arma> RUBY_LIB_NAME=`ruby yadayadasome ruby code that outputs the name of the library`
11:06 <Lucifer_arma> um, that's what I'm saying right now.  What I'd consider a hack alternative is to add another option, --with-ruby-libname, that allows you to specify that
11:06 <philippeqc> RUBY_LIB_NAME should have been set before the check for --with-ruby
11:06 <philippeqc> o
11:07 <Lucifer_arma> well, first I"m saying we need to create that variable, and second, it can't be set before the check for --with-ruby because it's not known until after ruby is queried for the information
11:08 <MrBougo> byte all
11:08 <MrBougo> bye*
11:09 <philippeqc> ok, now I understand you.
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11:12 <DrJoeTron> #serverinfo cage
11:12 <armabot> DrJoeTron: The Lobster Cage: No online players.
11:12 <DrJoeTron> sup lobster cage
11:13 <Lucifer_arma> mind making a tracker item for this?
11:14 <DrJoeTron> eh?
11:14 <Lucifer_arma> I'm about to pass out, but if you make a tracker item and just dump a copy and paste from here, I should be able to fill in with more notes tomorrow or something
11:14 <philippeqc> ok. I have 2 others about memory management code
11:14 <philippeqc> ok, thanks
11:15 <philippeqc> one dump question... tracker from sf.net or some other one?
11:15 <Lucifer_arma> flyspray.davefancella.com if you have an account there
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> if you don't, tracker on sf.net, I'm planning on (soon hopefully) migrating the sf tracker
11:16 <philippeqc> we need to regroup our tools a bit more.
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> email is broken on my server right now, so fixing that gets priority over the migration
11:17 <philippeqc> could make anonymous task
11:19 <Lucifer_arma> well, migrating the tracker should be straightforward.  I'll write up a little python script to parse the xml export from sf and write it to flyspray's database
11:19 <Lucifer_arma> I just need to look over flyspray's database and make sure I do it right
11:20 <Lucifer_arma> of course, if I write a php script instead, I could give that to flyspray, don't know if they'll take a python script.
11:20 <Lucifer_arma> I've procrastinated it to some extent hoping someone in flyspray itself would do it
11:20 <Lucifer_arma> ;)
11:20 <philippeqc> hehe
11:21 <Lucifer_arma> hey, I just googled up a perl script
11:22 <Lucifer_arma> ok, on tomorrow's todo list is to get email working, then copy the flyspray installation and test this perl script on it
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11:23 <philippeqc> neat!
11:23 <gltron> morning
11:24 <philippeqc> hi!
11:24 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: we should have an additional section on the wiki for all the companion web pages, like the tracker, CIA, the logs of IRC, etc
11:26 <Lucifer_arma> yep
11:27 <philippeqc> o, and the category "server" should be renamed "existing server" or something similar. "server" is too broad a description to be used for some general description of popular servers.
11:29 <DrJoeTron> http://www.4degreez.com/misc/personality_disorder_test.mv take it take it take it
11:29 <DrJoeTron> show me your results when you're done
11:32 <gltron> Lucifer_arma: who's in charge for the model & map file formats?
11:32 <philippeqc> gltron: map file is me
11:33 <gltron> is the map file format for 3.0 finalized yet?
11:34 <philippeqc> nope
11:34 <philippeqc> why?
11:34 <gltron> I was thinking that maybe we could have a compatible format between GLtron and armagetron
11:34 <philippeqc> DrJoeTron: what the heck is that test? 
11:35 <DrJoeTron> a generic disorder test 
11:35 <philippeqc> that is a great idea indeed
11:35 <DrJoeTron> ooh its the gltron guy
11:35 <DrJoeTron> sup :V
11:35 <gltron> I like that one: "Do you engage in any obsessive or compulsive behavior?"
11:35 <DrJoeTron> haha yeah I liked that one too
11:36 <philippeqc> let me rephrase my answer. For v 0.3, I am not planning to change any of the "physical" structures.
11:36 <gltron> what's a 'physical' structure?
11:36 <philippeqc> zones still under development, but i'd consider them near completion
11:36 <DrJoeTron> hey, do you guys have any opinion on rather or not I post armagetron on the SA boards?
11:36 <DrJoeTron> I noticed that GLTron was mentioned
11:37 <philippeqc> physical would be walls and maybe spawn points
11:38 <philippeqc> DrJoeTron: lets take this question "Do you often feel like people are saying negative things about you behind your back?". One could answer "No" if one KNEW people where saying negative things.
11:38 <DrJoeTron> thats what I figured
11:38 <DrJoeTron> and I said no
11:38 <gltron> DrJoeTron: what board?
11:38 <DrJoeTron> Something Awful boards
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11:38 <gltron> eeek.
11:39 <gltron> that's bad :-)
11:39 <DrJoeTron> for your bandwidth maybe :v
11:39 <gltron> it's sourceforge's bandwidth
11:39 <gltron> heh, my school's firewall blocks SA :-)
11:40 <DrJoeTron> hah
11:40 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2194191&pagenumber=5#post325676675 if you wanna get specific
11:40 <gltron> let me route around the firewall...sec.
11:40 <Lucifer_arma> Do you intentionally injure yourself, for instance by cutting yourself or taking too many pills?
11:42 <gltron> what about eating chocolate?
11:42 <philippeqc> DrJoeTron: Here is my result: I'm sufficiently well adjusted to say bugger off to a personality disorder test.
11:42 <gltron> or staying up too late when I need to get up early?
11:43 <philippeqc> gltron: what is bad, SA or walls?
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11:43 <Lucifer_arma> this thing is broken
11:43 <Lucifer_arma> it says I'm low paranoid
11:43 <gltron> SA
11:43 <philippeqc> oki
11:43 <gltron> you're highly paranoid?
11:43 <Lucifer_arma> very high schizoid
11:43 <DrJoeTron> what don't you like about it?
11:43 <DrJoeTron> just curious :v
11:43 <gltron> philippeqc: let's move this to privmsg?
11:44 <philippeqc> ok
11:45 <Lucifer_arma> It is occassionally difficult to distinguish between schizoid and Asperger's, as well.
11:45 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to bed, really, so I won't be a distraction for much longer :)
11:46 <DrJoeTron> http://localhost/dddda.gif
11:46 <DrJoeTron> :V
11:46 <DrJoeTron> fuck you hfs
11:46 <DrJoeTron> http://76.215.8.137/dddda.gif
11:46 <DrJoeTron> is my result
11:47 <Lucifer_arma> definitely broken
11:47 <Lucifer_arma> it says you're low narcisisstic
11:47 <DrJoeTron> haha yeah tell me about it
11:48 <DrJoeTron> hey, I just lack empathy for people over the internet is all
11:48 <Lucifer_arma> man, it contradicts itself
11:49 <Lucifer_arma> in one it says I'm a loner, then turns around and says I seek attention
11:49 <gltron> says I'm low on obsessive/compulsive. HAHAHA.
11:49 <DrJoeTron> hey man, it came from the internet
11:49 <DrJoeTron> it HAS TO be true
11:49 <Lucifer_arma> can't be an open source coder if you're low on obsessive-compulsive
11:49 <DrJoeTron> I donno
11:49 <DrJoeTron> armagetron turned out ok :V
11:50 <gltron> maybe that's why my progress sucks
11:50 <Lucifer_arma> they missed the all important question:  "Do you hang out in irc channels because people you meet face to face are stupid?"
11:50 <gltron> "Do you play World of Warcraft?"
11:50 <Lucifer_arma> man, we should make our own personality test
11:50 <Lucifer_arma> "Do you doublebind?"
11:50 <Lucifer_arma> "Do you not play gltron because there's no rubber?"
11:51 <gltron> what is that rubber thingie?
11:51 <Lucifer_arma> "Do you prefer gltron because there's no network play?"
11:51 <DrJoeTron> its crap is what it is
11:51 <Lucifer_arma> you'll figure it out when you finish network support :)
11:51 <Lucifer_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Rubber
11:51 <gltron> who needs rubber when you have 0 ping :-)
11:52 <gltron> yeah, I'm reading that
11:52 <gltron> philippeqc: send me a private tell, I seem to be unable to reach you
11:52 <Lucifer_arma> holy shit, someone went to the wiki to find out what rubber is
11:52  * Lucifer_arma hands andi the golden star of wiki reading
11:55 <DrJoeTron> NO I WILL NOT READ THE WIKI JUST TELL ME WTF RUBR IS YOU GHEY
11:55 <gltron> one question: is my cycle's speed adjusted on the server, on the client, or on both?
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> so I was laying sumo the other night, and I said that saying you're an elite rubber player is really just saying you suck, since rubber exists to make it harder to die
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> gltron: both, because to give a good visual the client has to simulate rubber
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> what it actually does is the client never kills the cycle, so if you drop connection, then hit a wall, your cycle will just hang there
11:56 <philippeqc> gltron: can you read my msg?
11:56 <gltron> so when I'm racing next to another player, it shows me being behind, even when we're actually head-to-head?
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> so this guy in sumo takes it personally and starts ripping into me, telling me I'm a noob that does't understand what rubber is
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> gltron: that can happen, yes
11:56 <gltron> I can read your message on the channel, but not in a private tell
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> you're not identified with nickserv
11:57 <gltron> -NickServ- You have already identified
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> basically, what you see is the closest approximation of the game the client is capable of rendering, but because of network latency, it is impossible for the client to give a perfect, accurate rendering
11:58 <Lucifer_arma> so there's always 100-400ms of uncertainty for any regular game
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11:58 <armabot> I love you more than ice cream!
11:59 <Lucifer_arma> so I told the guy in sumo to tell me what rubber is, but that he's not allowed to use the wiki for information because I wrote that page :)
12:00 <gltron> so on client 1: player 2 is ahead in the race, and on client 2: player 1 is ahead, and on the server, they're head to head
12:00 <Lucifer_arma> he shut up, but the whole conversation was like 30 minutes of wasted time :/
12:00 <Lucifer_arma> gltron: yes, but they don't have to be head to head on the server even
12:00 <Lucifer_arma> the server could have player 2 ahead in the race and agree with client 1
12:00 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma why would you even bother wasting your time fighting with them
12:00 -!- spidey is now known as Notepad
12:00 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: I wasn't, I was ridiculing him :)
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12:01 <Lucifer_arma> manta cranked the rubber down to -1 and ran him off, then we played sumo with just 1 for awhile and it ws a lot of fun
12:01 <gltron> but if I'm ahead on my client, I'm guaranteed to actually be ahead and can savely turn to cut my opponent off
12:01 <Lucifer_arma> no, you're not, that's the point
12:02 <philippeqc> gltron: did you see "dididi"
12:02 <gltron> philippeqc: no
12:02 <Lucifer_arma> I call that a ping race, because basically the lowest ping is the one who's usually ahead
12:02 <gltron> did you see "dadada"?
12:02 <Lucifer_arma> also, because of the way cycles accelerate, it's possible for the two cycles to be exchanging the lead
12:03 <gltron> we are fscked, philippeqc, let's just join #armagetronmap
12:03 <Lucifer_arma> but because of network latency and the unreliability of udp, you can't carefully time a cut-off, you have to do something else
12:03 <Lucifer_arma> nah, really, I'm leaving, and nobody else is talking
12:03 <Lucifer_arma> 'night
12:03 <gltron> but on LAN, I can
12:03 <DrJoeTron> hey
12:03 <DrJoeTron> wha bout me: :(
12:04 <Lucifer_arma> no, udp is still unreliable on lan
12:04 <Lucifer_arma> it's more reliable, yes, but, well, ok
12:04 <DrJoeTron> what about the lagometer?
12:04 <Lucifer_arma> work with ntp ever?
12:04 <DrJoeTron> I hate that jerk
12:04 <Lucifer_arma> no, network time protocol
12:05 <Lucifer_arma> besides network latency, which we usually focus on, is the fact that different computers run at different speeds
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12:05 <Lucifer_arma> nobody's clocks ever agree, so even the simulation you're running locally isn't synced perfectly with the simulation the server's running
12:05 <gltron> yes, but you can probably guarantee a tick rate of 50Hz or so
12:05 <Lucifer_arma> the server migt count 1000 ms for a second perfectly, but your client may count 950ms in 1 second
12:06 <gltron> yes, clock syncing is a nightmare (see NTP)
12:06 <Lucifer_arma> not while they use quartz for the clock :)
12:06 <Lucifer_arma> exactly why I mentioned ntp :)
12:06 <Lucifer_arma> ntp has the same problem we have, syncing clocks over the network
12:06 <Lucifer_arma> they have an advantage though, in that in ntp, the events they're trying to sync are always spaced exactly one second apart
12:06 <Lucifer_arma> our events aren't, they're arbitrary, and defined by the players, and the data is fundamentally more complex anyway
12:07 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, your ntp daemon has to run for several hours/days/weeks before it gets down to within a few ms of accuracy, and it'll still drift, and that's with a really fancy algorithm
12:08 <Lucifer_arma> I think you'd break open a completely new field of computer science if you could get that same accuracy in a light cycle game, seriously
12:08 <Lucifer_arma> now I'm going to bed, don't say anything else to distract me!
12:08 <Lucifer_arma> (we can pick this up later, I'm nto running away)
12:09 <gltron> 'night
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12:29 <Aang> Meh
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12:48 <kidanger> #serverinfo Joueurs Fous
12:48 <armabot> kidanger: Chez les Joueurs Fous ^^' -=|JF Server|=- {Nano}: Players (1/5): =jf=Alan
12:48 -!- Arma219 [n=d55ef9eb@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
12:48 <Arma219> hi
12:48 <kidanger> hi
12:48 -!- Arma219 is now known as epsy
12:48 <kidanger> salut !!
12:48 <epsy> :0
12:48 <epsy> :)
12:48 <madmax|pt> back in a week heh?
12:49 <digitx> hi epsy 
12:49 <epsy> i'm still in irland
12:49 <kidanger> waw
12:49 <kidanger> Me in greece !
12:50 <kidanger> :D
12:50  * epsy is using a f***ing web client
12:50 <digitx> XD
12:50 <digitx> irland? merde?
12:51 <digitx> jouer à armagetron? ;P (lol) 
12:52 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p508730CF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #armagetron
12:56 <epsy> did i had an imposter ?
12:58 <epsy> *** Der Zugang zu diesem Raum wurde verweigert !
12:58 <epsy> :/
12:58 <digitx> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/HIM/rubber/HIM_epsy-0.0.1.aamap.xml
12:58 <digitx> XD
12:58 <epsy> cant get to other channels :/
12:58 <digitx> look :D
12:58 <gltron> z-man: are you there?
12:58 <epsy> blame him :P
12:59 <kidanger> lol digitx
12:59 <digitx> ?
13:00 <kidanger> strange map :D
13:00 <epsy> he was planning to use thazt map for shooting XD
13:01 <epsy> umm, btw, digi, did you asked luke-jr for switching version ?
13:01 <digitx> no
13:01 <digitx> i hate luke
13:01 <epsy> ...
13:01 <digitx> luke hate me
13:01 <digitx> rly
13:01 <epsy> luke-jr: hi
13:02 <epsy> he doesn't hate you, he's so with everyone :P
13:04 <epsy> awww cant cheat in there
13:04 <epsy> #roulette :)
13:04 <armabot> epsy: (roulette [spin]) -- Fires the revolver. If the bullet was in the chamber, you're dead. Tell me to spin the chambers and I will.
13:04 <epsy> #roulette 
13:04 <armabot> epsy: *click*
13:04 <epsy> #onlineservers
13:04 <armabot> epsy: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (10 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Marathon (9 players) || The Arena (7 players) || .: Eclipse'd.EC|d - UK Div. DogFight :. (6 players) || Norm's Place (5 players) || Y e l l o w S u b m a r i n e (3 players) || Goodkoen's Home Server (3 players) || The Tavern (2 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (2 players) || CT|P4.silesia.pol.eu (1 players) || Baconisyum (1 (1 more message)
13:04 <P4> #silesia
13:04 <armabot> P4: CT|P4.silesia.pol.eu: Players (2/6): Agg, epicX
13:05 <P4> ;)
13:05 -!- P4 is now known as CT|P4
13:05 <epsy> btw, zazup with mara, CT|P4 ?
13:05 <kidanger> #serverinfo Joueurs Fous
13:05 <epsy> *wazup
13:05 <digitx> :D
13:05 <armabot> kidanger: Chez les Joueurs Fous ^^' -=|JF Server|=- {Nano}: No online players.
13:06 <epsy> did the first bouncing dz/fortress mapp appeared ?
13:06 <epsy> s/mapp/map
13:09 <madmax|pt> don't think so
13:10 <epsy> gah
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13:11 <epsy> #mara
13:11 <armabot> epsy: Crazy Tronners Wild Marathon: Players (7/14): =)~bb~vipa~, CT~Voodoo, Eragon_BT_PL, Thunder-Diamond, [Dömer]²³	Aang, ¢st°°FlûGG$êl, ¦Ö¦$µbzero
13:16 <digitx> epepepeepsisisisi
13:16 <digitx> :D
13:17 <epsy> ?
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13:22 <Aang> wrtlprnft? Are you there?
13:22 <Aang> I need you!
13:22 <madmax|pt> hi Aang 
13:22 <Notepad> lol
13:22 <Aang> hello
13:22 -!- Notepad is now known as spidey
13:22 <Aang> #hi
13:23  * spidey stabs madmax|pt 
13:23 <spidey> :D
13:23 <madmax|pt> :o
13:23 <spidey> :)
13:23 <Aang> i wonder....
13:23 <Aang> #kill spidey
13:23 <spidey> don't wonder too far
13:23 <spidey> you might get lost
13:23 <Aang> Damn
13:24 <Aang> #serverinfo D u r k a
13:24 <armabot> Aang: ¬| D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d  | ¬  (New!): Players (7/16): $_TrEnT_$ Make, $_TrEnT_$ Solo, $_TrEnT_$jfacas, -HsP-Zeppelin, Noob Killer, something, xT|name
13:24 <madmax|pt> are you still on holidays Aang?
13:24 <spidey> /me goes to /sleep
13:24 <epsy> #muhammed works too
13:24 <Aang> yes, for the next 2 weeks
13:24 <armabot> epsy: ¬| D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d  | ¬  (New!): Players (7/16): $_TrEnT_$ Make, $_TrEnT_$ Solo, $_TrEnT_$jfacas, -HsP-Zeppelin, Noob Killer, something, xT|name
13:24 <epsy> good night spidey 
13:24 <Aang> I like your cockpits spidey
13:25 <spidey> :-)
13:25  * epsy uses pwnd's
13:25 <Aang> i wish i knew how to make them
13:25 <spidey> it's really easy
13:25 <epsy> go ead on the wiki
13:25 <spidey> which one are you using?
13:25 <Aang> k
13:25 <epsy> *read
13:25 <spidey> or used?
13:25 <Aang> 3.0.x
13:25 <spidey> abyss?
13:25 <epsy> *0.3
13:25 <Aang> hang on i'll check
13:26 <epsy> not 3.0
13:26 <spidey> epsy: he's not talking about tron version :p
13:26 <epsy> uh
13:26 <epsy> llo
13:27 <spidey> there's like, 3 versions of a cockpit i made cause i suck at making them :D
13:27 <spidey> more that i'm lazy
13:27 <Aang> Yes, i use abyss
13:27 -!- CT|P4 is now known as P4
13:27 <spidey> and didn't fill like making the gauges transparent so i didn't give them a color at all :p
13:27 <spidey> Aang: that was my first cockpit :)
13:27 <spidey> they're easy to make
13:27 <Aang> but i like lucifers  Wrtl's Cockpit
13:28 <epsy> P4: why are you changing name all the time ???
13:28 <Aang> sorry not lucifer
13:28 <epsy> lol
13:28 <P4> what name?
13:28 <P4> i onlu changed alias name to not be woken by it
13:28 <P4> and changind server name soon
13:28 <Aang> gtg, be back soon, in a hour probably
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13:28 <spidey> and i'm going to /sleep -_-
13:29 <epsy> P4: CT/P4 and P4 
13:29 <epsy> ok i'm off
13:29 <epsy> cyas
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13:45 <AA_Voodoo> #mara
13:45 <armabot> AA_Voodoo: Crazy Tronners Wild Marathon: Players (10/14): -|Catch|-, =)~bb~vipa~, CT~Voodoo, ikono, KiLLeR, Spot, timidou, [Dömer]²³	{EX}, ¦Ö¦$µbzero, °;¢st>°FlûGG$êl
13:46 <P4> hi AA_Voodoo ;)
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14:03 <arctanx> wrtlprnft: the command in the talker is .who :P
14:04 <madmax|pt> #cfg players
14:04 <armabot> madmax|pt: MAX_PLAYERS_SAME_IP: maximum number of players from the same IP (note that each client can legally host up to four players) (default: 4) || MIN_PLAYERS: Minimum number of players (default: 4) || PLAYERS: Prints list of currently active players (default: ) || SP_MIN_PLAYERS: Minimum number of players in single player mode (default: 0) || SP_TEAM_MAX_PLAYERS: Maximum number of players per (1 more message)
14:06 <digitx> #serverinfo marathon
14:06 <armabot> digitx: Crazy Tronners Wild Marathon: Players (9/14): -|Catch|-, =)~bb~vipa~, =)~luAp~, KiLLeR, L2K|k3nny, Spot, timidou, tµ¢jêq, ¦Ö¦$µbzero
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14:10 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Levi/dogfight/rhombus-1.0.0.aamap.xml: Resource by Levi
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14:13 <z-man> gltron: now I'm here :)
14:14 <gltron> philippeqc: sent you an e-mail
14:14 <gltron> wat are legal shapes for zones in 2.8?
14:14 <gltron> z-man: I've been talking to philippeqc about a shared map format
14:14 <z-man> cool
14:15 <gltron> we're looking into a conversion utility now that supports at least a limited conversion of maps
14:15 <z-man> we only support circle shaped zones in 0.2.8
14:15 <philippeqc> gltron: I'm reading it 
14:15 <gltron> and in 0.3?
14:15 <z-man> still circles :)
14:15 <gltron> good. makes it easy
14:16 <gltron> actually, it doesn't, because there's no easy polygonal representation for circles :-)
14:17 <philippeqc> gltron: spawn point have only one axis, not a list. It is actually a direction, and gets to be mapped to the closest matching axis.
14:17 <gltron> hm, no randomizing of starting directions then?
14:18 <philippeqc> Hummm, havent thought about that one! Darn, I'm usually not bad to see those!
14:18 <gltron> let's keep it a list, and you can just dump all but the first one in your export script
14:18 <philippeqc> yes
14:19 <gltron> good, now we can both start writing import/export code
14:20 <gltron> first one to complete it gets all the prize money & girls
14:20 <philippeqc> one detail. Lets change map to "field" or floor
14:20 <gltron> floor then, that's unambigous
14:21 <philippeqc> ok
14:21 <philippeqc> Do you have author information in your format?
14:21 <gltron> no
14:23 <philippeqc> ok. What is your usual map size? Here the basic one is 500x500
14:23 <gltron> I guess while we're writing import/export code, we can create independent projects. I'll need to add lua as a dependency, you'll probably need XML
14:23 <gltron> there's no 'usual' map size now, maps are either in the 0..1 range (fully scalable maps) or at some fixed range (not scalable)
14:24 <gltron> I guess we could add a 'apply scale factor' control to the export dialog window
14:24 <gltron> I called the thingie aa2gltron in my project
14:25 <gltron> what build system do you use? automake?
14:26 <philippeqc> In AA, there is a config item for the scale factor too. But there was an issue early with maps that when switching between them, the admin needed to adjust the scale factor to keep them of relative size to each others. So I added a best practice that map designer should aim for an map area similar to 500x500.
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14:26 <gltron> ok, then we'll just put in a default 1/500 conversion factor somewhere
14:27 <digitx> .
14:27 <philippeqc> yes, automake. But I'm really no specialist.
14:28 <gltron> me neither, but as long it's just a bunch of directories & files to manage, it's no problem :-)
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14:51 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Levi/dogfight/rhombus-1.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Levi
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15:03 <armabot> The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 32.5°F (8:45 PM CDT on April 11, 2007). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 28.4°F. Windchill: 26.6°F. Pressure: 28.66 in 970.4 hPa. 
15:04 <ghableska> #armaservers
15:04 <armabot> ghableska: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (13 players) || Norm's Place (7 players) || {Delicious Desserts} Custom Map (6 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬ (New!) (6 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Marathon (4 players) || |FA| Clan Server - Shooting Gallery! (4 players) || The Arena (4 players) || || S L O W T R A C K || (3 players) || The Tavern (3 players) || ~*SpeederS*~ Server (3 (1 more message)
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15:57  * MrBougo is now playing: Signalrunners pres. Team SR - Leaving London
15:57 <MrBougo> oops
15:57 <MrBougo> hello
15:57 <ghableska> hey MrBougo 
15:57 <MrBougo> brb
15:57 <MrBougo> brb
15:57 <MrBougo> oh ive already said thet
15:57 <MrBougo> hello ghab
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15:58 <ghableska> heh
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16:03 <MrBougo> :)
16:04  * MrBougo is now playing: Richard Durand - Sunhump 2006 (Breakfast Remix)
16:04 <MrBougo> amazing
16:04 <madmax|pt> the track?
16:07 <MrBougo> yup
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16:27 <MrBougo> wb
16:28 <GodTodd> yoyoyo i'm in da hizzouse
16:40 <kidd> #sty
16:40 <armabot> kidd: Chico's Brake Boost Styball: No online players.
16:40 <kidd> #shru
16:44 <madmax|pt> what's the best way to make a available to download a folder full of files using apache?
16:44 <madmax|pt> instead of downloading them one by one
16:46 <madmax|pt> any ideas? ^^
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16:53 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Aang/race/crofdestiny-1.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Aang
16:54 <MrBougo> the holiday is over :(
16:54 <MrBougo> dunno max
16:54 <MrBougo> put it in an archive?
16:59 <madmax|pt> yeah, I was thinking of something like that. some script maybe
17:13 <digitx> nnah
17:13 <digitx> i played trem
17:13 <digitx> :D
17:14 <MrBougo> bye
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17:51 <kidd> #sty
17:51 <armabot> kidd: Chico's Brake Boost Styball: No online players.
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17:53 <armabot> The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 32.5°F (8:45 PM CDT on April 11, 2007). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 28.4°F. Windchill: 26.6°F. Pressure: 28.66 in 970.4 hPa. 
17:53 <ghableska> #tea
17:53 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (13/32): -*$p*~fr34ky!, bfam BsHeA(***), CT|orly?, eggcozy, Goodygumdrops, Grendaizer, Ossi, Red Rose, sniper, SuBlImInAl.FreQ, tµ¢jêq, ¦x¦ Lazer, °°@shitakA
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18:02 <mkzelda> #weather 27545
18:02 <armabot> mkzelda: The current temperature in Winchester - NE Raleigh, Raleigh, North Carolina is 67.3°F (12:03 PM EDT on April 15, 2007). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 64.4°F. Pressure: 29.27 in 991.1 hPa.  Tornado Watch 147 in effect until 3 PM EDT this afternoon... 
18:03 <mkzelda> #weather 48009
18:03 <armabot> mkzelda: The current temperature in Troy, Michigan is 46.4°F (11:57 AM EDT on April 15, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Windchill: 39.2°F. Pressure: 29.82 in 1010 hPa. 
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18:03 <neostrider> hello folks
18:04 <neostrider> hey luke-jr!
18:07 <wrtlprnft> #later tell *bougo* the only map i made was the stonehenge one
18:07 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
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19:38 <armabot> The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 32.5°F (8:45 PM CDT on April 11, 2007). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 28.4°F. Windchill: 26.6°F. Pressure: 28.66 in 970.4 hPa. 
19:38 <ghableska> eer
19:38 <ghableska> #weather 50266
19:38 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 61.3°F (12:40 PM CDT on April 15, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 31%. Dew Point: 30.2°F. Pressure: 29.05 in 983.6 hPa. 
19:38 <ghableska> ...
19:38 <ghableska> #ghab
19:38 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 61.3°F (12:40 PM CDT on April 15, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 31%. Dew Point: 30.2°F. Pressure: 29.05 in 983.6 hPa. 
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19:44 <GodTodd_>  /nick GodTodd
19:44 <GodTodd_> dammit
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19:45 <ghableska> how do I get rid of the herald? :/
19:45 <|Sticky|> cancel your subscription
19:46 <ghableska> -_-
19:46 <GodTodd> #list herals
19:46 <armabot> GodTodd: Error: 'herals' is not a valid plugin.
19:46 <GodTodd> #list herald
19:46 <armabot> GodTodd: add, change, default, get, and remove
19:46 <ghableska> #remove herald
19:46 <armabot> ghableska: Error: The command "remove" is available in the Alias, Herald, News, Praise, Quote, and RSS plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "remove".
19:46 <ghableska> #herald remove
19:46 <armabot> ghableska: The operation succeeded.
19:46 <ghableska> :o
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19:46 <GodTodd> #herald get #armagetron ghableska
19:46 <armabot> GodTodd: Error: I have no herald for ghableska.
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19:47 <ghableska> yay
19:47 <GodTodd> #herald get #armagetron ghableska <--- easier way to tell :P
19:47 <armabot> GodTodd: (herald get [<channel>] [<user|nick>]) -- Returns the current herald message for <user> (or the user <nick|hostmask> is currently identified or recognized as). If <user> is not given, defaults to the user giving the command. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
19:47 <GodTodd> #herald get #armagetron ghableska
19:47 <armabot> GodTodd: Error: I have no herald for ghableska.
19:47 <GodTodd> #herald get #armagetron GodTodd
19:47 <armabot> GodTodd: DrJoeTron is GodTodd's bitch.
19:50 <ghableska> heh
19:50 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
19:50 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Custer & Pleasant Valley, Plano, Texas is 65.7°F (12:54 PM CDT on April 15, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 33%. Dew Point: 35.6°F. Pressure: 30.18 in 1021.9 hPa. 
19:51 <ghableska> #ghab
19:51 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 62.4°F (12:55 PM CDT on April 15, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 31%. Dew Point: 32.0°F. Pressure: 29.04 in 983.3 hPa. 
19:51 <ghableska> so close
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20:14 <ghableska> #tea
20:14 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (10/32): CuRbSidE, Goodygumdrops, Lackadaisical, mynameis, Ossi, Zitz, |ctt|©©{~|owned, ~*SP*~viper~, ¦Þµ¡¦	Slurm, °°oixel
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21:14 <Nixda541> hi
21:14 -!- Nixda541 is now known as i2020
21:14 <i2020> hi
21:15 <i2020> is there no tst tonight?
21:15 <z-man> nope
21:15 <i2020> o thanks
21:15 <z-man> it has been delayed one week
21:16 <i2020> o well...
21:21 <xfroggy> i2020, http://tui.freehostia.com/viewtopic.php?p=994
21:21 <i2020> thanks
21:21 <i2020> bye
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21:28 <Lucifer_arma> #g 800/10
21:28 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 800 / 10 = 80
21:28 <Lucifer_arma> duh
21:30 <Lucifer_arma> I'd have to either fence more than 80 times a year or want to attend a class for it to be worth joining the club
21:30 <Lucifer_arma> because if I just fence once a week, that's $520/year
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21:51 <GodTodd> n     v'''''''''''''''""""""""""""""",MMMMMMMMMM
21:52 <digitx> rofl
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23:18 <ghableska> #ghab
23:18 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 66.4°F (4:21 PM CDT on April 15, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 23%. Dew Point: 26.6°F. Pressure: 29.02 in 982.6 hPa (Falling). 
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23:21 <ghableska> #tea
23:21 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (13/32): $_TrEnT_$ Smoke, Brainherpes, CTDimbiman, eggcozy, G5, ikono, Keming, MaZuffeR, Monkey, Radian, ¤£Kurama, ¦Ö¦$µbzero, °¯Manta
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23:40 <lizalo_> yo
23:40 <lizalo_> lucifer
23:40 <lizalo_> Lucifer_arma: u there bro?
23:40 <DrJoeTron> #cage
23:40 <lizalo_> Lucifer_arma: if you see this man, no hard feelings from last nite, i was hella tired haha.. and talkin too much crap =)
23:40 <lizalo_> dj joe i wanna playy where u guys at
23:41 <DrJoeTron> I'm at my house
23:41 <lizalo_> hehe are u playin the game?
23:41 <lizalo_> i got a bit better
23:41 <DrJoeTron> nah
23:41 <lizalo_> ..i like the grinding style, i dont like it without grind
23:41 <DrJoeTron> I don't play the game alot
23:41 <DrJoeTron> just to go ban people
23:41 <lizalo_> what do u do in general?
23:41 <lizalo_> i just started linux, and im working around webservers
23:41 <lizalo_> im actualy going to switch from ubuntu straight to redhat server
23:42 <DrJoeTron> I play in places where rubber is usually less than 6
23:42 <lizalo_> i have no idea what u just said
23:42 <lizalo_> ruber is less then 6
23:42 <lizalo_> :( can u teach me?
23:42 <lizalo_> i mean i finaly figured out brake
23:42 <lizalo_> but it only works some places
23:42 <DrJoeTron> wiki.armagetronad.net :)
23:42 <lizalo_> damn it be better if you tell me hehe
23:42 <lizalo_> but ok =)
23:42 <DrJoeTron> couldnt do it justice
23:43 <DrJoeTron> those really fast places are you talking about?
23:43 <lizalo_> mm fast and slow
23:43 <DrJoeTron> where you hit the wall and not die for like 4 seconds?
23:43 <lizalo_> fast are pretty cool too but nto too fast
23:43 <DrJoeTron> those places are an equivalent to bumper bowling
23:43 <lizalo_> is it 4 sec? damn
23:43 <DrJoeTron> and I can't stand those
23:44 <lizalo_> Doublebind 
23:44 <DrJoeTron> remember the lobster tub?
23:44 <DrJoeTron> 4 weaks
23:44 <lizalo_> yeah yeah
23:44 <lizalo_> the slow slow one right?
23:44 <DrJoeTron> I play in places like that
23:44 <DrJoeTron> yeah
23:44 <lizalo_> yeah i like those too =))
23:44 <lizalo_> doublebind soemthign i need
23:44 <ghableska> DrJoeTron: the steam server browser kills my internet :S
23:44 <DrJoeTron> haha how?
23:45 <DrJoeTron> why do you use the server browser?
23:45 <ghableska> er, to join a game?
23:45 <DrJoeTron> do you really need to ping TFC and HL2DM matches?
23:45 <ghableska> no...
23:45 <ghableska> just my favorites menu
23:45 <DrJoeTron> hmmm
23:46 <lizalo_> i gonna go play on some server =)
23:47 <duudii> #lastseen bongman
23:47 <|Sticky|> lizalo_: new??
23:47 <ghableska> tf2 :D
23:48 <digitx> .
23:48 <armabot> duudii: timed out
23:48 <digitx> #serverinfo norm
23:48 <armabot> digitx: Norm's Place: Players (12/12): (SUN)nil, ???, Berserker, BuReK, Gromit, Jonas, k3nny, L2K|Venosis, PegAS, snail, |AST| legendary, ~{GP}~noname
23:50 <lizalo_> yeah
23:50 <lizalo_> im new sticky
23:50 <lizalo_> hehe =)
23:50 <lizalo_> |Sticky|: hella new =)
23:50 <|Sticky|> what servers you been palying on?
23:50 <lizalo_> oh man im not even sure
23:50 <lizalo_> one something like sunken
23:50 <|Sticky|> heh
23:50 <lizalo_> then the sppedsters
23:50 <lizalo_> ..wanna go in one??
23:50 <|Sticky|> ahh yes
23:51 <|Sticky|> #serverinfo sunken
23:51 <lizalo_> ya i was in that one
23:51 <lizalo_> and the sppedy ones =)
23:51 <lizalo_> they atite
23:51 <lizalo_> aite
23:51 <lizalo_> i was smashin on some guys
23:51 <armabot> |Sticky|: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “sunken” at the moment, sorry.
23:51 <lizalo_> latex
23:51 <lizalo_> notpad
23:51 <lizalo_> ..few others haha =)
23:51 <|Sticky|> ahh they are bots
23:51 <lizalo_> woot
23:51 <lizalo_> for real?
23:52 <lizalo_> hehe i sux see =) i didnt eve nknow
23:52 <lizalo_> im plyaiing with robots
23:52 <|Sticky|> if the server is empty besides you it puts in a few of those ai bots for you to play agains
23:52 <lizalo_> kiling them and im talking to them
23:52 <lizalo_> damn
23:52 <lizalo_> ai team
23:52 <lizalo_> rite? dude i suck ass haha =)
23:52 <lizalo_> i talked to those guys hehe
23:52 <|Sticky|> naa the bots can be VERY good
23:52 <lizalo_> but now it explains why no answer =)
23:52 <|Sticky|> yeah
23:52 <lizalo_> well of course if u set them to be good hehe =)
23:53 <lizalo_> oh
23:53 <lizalo_> i know p4
23:53 <lizalo_> and ultra
23:53 <lizalo_> they coo
23:53 <|Sticky|> press tab and look ath the ping if it is 0 they are a bot
23:53 <lizalo_> i know them a little bit from phoenix.net
23:53 <lizalo_> anoxs.net
23:53 <lizalo_> alrite
23:53 <P4> lizalo_: wtf are you doing here?!
23:53 <lizalo_> im strugling to set that doublebind
23:53 <lizalo_> P4: oh shit =) fuckin p4 hehe
23:53 <lizalo_> want to paly fool
23:53 <lizalo_> lets play
23:54 <P4> im setting up styball
23:54 <lizalo_> u down? |Sticky| ?
23:54 <|Sticky|> down??
23:54 <lizalo_> syball? wtf is that hehe
23:54 <P4> #insult lizalo_
23:54 <armabot> lizalo_ - You are nothing but a tepid coagulation of halfbaked red. 
23:54 <lizalo_> down to play hehe?
23:54 <lizalo_> #insult P4 
23:54 <|Sticky|> its like air hocky for tron
23:54 <armabot> P4 - You are nothing but a warped tongueful of coughed-up chicken. 
23:54 <lizalo_> haha man lets play some regular shit hehe
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23:54 <|Sticky|> i genenraly only play fortress
23:55 <lizalo_> P4: so i installed ubuntu 6.10 server edgy
23:55 <|Sticky|> or ctf, possibly sumo
23:55 <|Sticky|> im on edgy too
23:55 <lizalo_> i wass done installing ispconfig.. but then i did something and deleted my entire mysql.. php stoped workign mm man
23:55 <lizalo_> oh yeah?
23:55 <lizalo_> im actualy switchin
23:55 <lizalo_> to redhat
23:55 <P4> lizalo_: im a bit busy now...
23:55 <lizalo_> im gonna start wit hthe one i like right away =0
23:55 <|Sticky|> heh
23:55 <lizalo_> im new only a week old on linux
23:55 <|Sticky|> do they still make readhat
23:55 <lizalo_> P4: ok p no problem
23:55 <lizalo_> oh yeah dude
23:55 <lizalo_> redhat is the bigest distro
23:56 <|Sticky|> didnt redhat become fedora
23:56 <P4> #serverinfo -v bouncing
23:56 <lizalo_> but i always like redhat, the name.. messsed with redhat long long time ago .. but never stood for it.. so im going to go for it again
23:56 <armabot> P4: Bouncing Fortress Tests (87.106.101.25:4534) running 0.2.8_alpha20070414 unix dedic, url: http://www.armagetronad.net, Description: “All settings at default values.“, Players (2/16): -|ct|-ed-, Thokul
23:56 <P4> `go there
23:56 <lizalo_> redhat server
23:56 <lizalo_> k
23:56 <|Sticky|> why server
23:56 <lizalo_> webserver
23:56 <lizalo_> eventualy ill havea business
23:56 <lizalo_> that will start from hosting sites and move on up
23:57 <lizalo_> i will also be going to school at ITT 
23:57 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p508730CF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [No route to host]
23:57 <lizalo_> thats what i like and my girlfriend thinks its a very good idea, and sees me doing something like that
23:57 <lizalo_> but as time goes if webhosting succeds i will add more to my business
23:57 <|Sticky|> ITT?
23:57 <lizalo_> website designing
23:58 <lizalo_> shop to fix comptuers.. =)
23:58 <lizalo_> never heard of itt tech?
23:58 <lizalo_> school
23:58 <|Sticky|> american?
23:58 <lizalo_> look it up, its an excellent school, everything hands on experiance
23:58 <lizalo_> yeah american school, but im nto an american =0
23:58 <lizalo_> heh
23:58 <|Sticky|> yeah i wouldnt have heard of it im in uk
23:58 <lizalo_> the shcool is very good
23:59 <lizalo_> but costs!
23:59 <lizalo_> but no problem =) i get free financial aide no matter what
23:59 <|Sticky|> where you from then?
23:59 <lizalo_> because im a refuge =))) hehe not an american i can get financial aide anytime i want
23:59 <lizalo_> oh ur in uk ok
23:59 <lizalo_> i might live there some day =)
23:59 <|Sticky|> dont
23:59 <lizalo_> england, why?
23:59 <lizalo_> well im not living in america
23:59 <lizalo_> thats for fucking sure

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