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Log from 2007-02-10:
--- Day changed Sat Feb 10 2007
00:29 <wrtlprnft> guru3: why does your avatar remind me of http://members.iinet.com.au/~bofh/newbofh/bofh17jul.html?
00:34 <guru3> my avatar or my signature?
00:35 <wrtlprnft> err, signature
00:35 <guru3> lol
00:35 <guru3> that's pretty funny
00:35 <wrtlprnft> :D
00:38 <guru3> esp the tomorrow's limit 1.56mb ><
00:38 <guru3> *1.59
00:39 <wrtlprnft> though that's sort of weird, as the user said “about 1.6MB”
00:40 <guru3> well you see that's the beauty of it
00:40 <guru3> it almost works
00:40 <guru3> then dies
00:40 <guru3> x)
00:40 <wrtlprnft> it's the “about”
00:40 <guru3> probably rounding down
00:40 <wrtlprnft> the file could have been 1.58MB, but thex don't do that anyways :D
00:40 <wrtlprnft> *they
00:41 <guru3> it just fits perfectly to set the limit at 1.59
00:41 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't matter anyways, i understand what it's supposed to mean :)
00:41 <guru3> i wonder if those are true
00:42 <wrtlprnft> you haven't read more bofh stories?
00:42 <guru3> nope
00:42 <wrtlprnft> people die all the time, i don't think it's true
00:42 <DrJoeTron> oh god
00:42 <guru3> lol
00:42 <DrJoeTron> guru3, 
00:42 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=140711#140711
00:43 <[dlh]> haha, that thread is an instant classic.
00:46 <DrJoeTron> god
00:46 <DrJoeTron> I have nothing to say to this guy
00:46 -!- j0h4nn3s [n=j@i577BB904.versanet.de] has joined #armagetron
00:46  * wrtlprnft wonders if he should write a script to register a new user on code hunter's forums every ten minutes
00:46 <guru3> lmfao
00:46 <DrJoeTron> the requested mods?
00:47 <DrJoeTron> what mods
00:47 <DrJoeTron> AW SHIT SON
00:47 <wrtlprnft> what was the address of his site?
00:47 <wrtlprnft> i forgot
00:47 <guru3> it's on the links page
00:47 <DrJoeTron> did he add the clock to the website!?!?!?
00:47 <guru3> :>
00:47 <wrtlprnft> something notlong.com i remember
00:47 <wrtlprnft> haha, ty
00:47 <DrJoeTron> and the guestbooks!
00:47 <DrJoeTron> someone check please :3 I'm busy with a swell drawing
00:47 <guru3> haha
00:47 <guru3> you should draw what his site should look lik
00:47 <guru3> e
00:48 <DrJoeTron> shit I got a link for that
00:50 <guru3> haha
00:50 <guru3> just read his replies
00:50 <guru3> oh boy are we going to have some fun
00:50 <guru3> go to it joe
00:50 <guru3> can't wait to see what u draw
00:51 <DrJoeTron> I'm actually going to try for him
00:51 <guru3> awww
00:51 <guru3> i just want to bash his head in :D
00:51 <guru3> cause aparently i suck
00:52 <guru3> :D :D :D
00:53 <DrJoeTron> I HATE YOU
00:59 <guru3> ahhh ive replied
00:59 <guru3> hope i haven't stepped over the bounds of being an admin
00:59  * guru3 whistles
01:00 <guru3> (personally i think we're in a comic genius setup atm)
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01:01 <[dlh]> hah, he changed the link in the parent post to http://fuckyouassholes.com 
01:02 <wrtlprnft> that's why i was asking for the address of his site
01:02 <guru3> http://www.1webspace.biz/tron/MainSite.html
01:03 <guru3> anyway
01:03 <guru3> i hope someone enjoys my reply
01:03 <guru3> i really felt like taking some of what he said and ripping it apart
01:03 <[dlh]> aww, he's changing all his replies
01:03 <[dlh]> oh noes
01:03 <guru3> quick quote them all
01:04 -!- deja_vu [n=deja_vu@HSI-KBW-091-089-011-161.hsi2.kabelbw.de] has quit ["*mitwusel*"]
01:06 <wrtlprnft> any ideas for a few really nooby questions?
01:07 <guru3> he's just being such a dick
01:07 <guru3> ask about setuple binding
01:07 <[dlh]> oh, you  actually signed up?
01:07 <wrtlprnft> i'm trying to
01:08 <wrtlprnft> but it seems they blocked out my ip address
01:08 <DrJoeTron> I need to join this
01:08 <guru3> can you check the member list
01:08 <guru3> and see how many are spam registrations
01:08 <DrJoeTron> I think its time for another round of Dinosaurs with Hats
01:08 <guru3> DrJoeTron: lemme know what you think of my reply plz
01:09 <guru3> oh sweet one more post
01:09 <guru3> and it'll be post 55555
01:10 <wrtlprnft> well
01:10 <wrtlprnft> i can't register with my or aabeta's IP for some reason
01:10 <wrtlprnft> this place sucks
01:11 <DrJoeTron> :D
01:11 <guru3> and where does he get that we have 1000 users?
01:11 <guru3> we've got 1500
01:11 <DrJoeTron> #m everyone grab a bucket, because Code hunter is barfing up comedy gold. We're fucking rich
01:11 <armabot> DrJoeTron: The operation succeeded.
01:12 <wrtlprnft> ha!
01:12 <wrtlprnft> got an ip that works
01:12 <guru3> go wrtlprnft 
01:12 <guru3> 89 members and 451 posts
01:12 <guru3> 5% of the members
01:13 <DrJoeTron> oh.... wrtlprnft ?
01:13 <DrJoeTron> ...becareful...and god speed.
01:13  * DrJoeTron salute
01:13 <guru3> less than 1% of the posts
01:13 <guru3> let's see how many years before he over takes us
01:13 <DrJoeTron> I want to post goatse.cx all over his fucking site
01:13 <guru3> hahahaha
01:13 <guru3> excellent idea
01:13 <wrtlprnft> The board administrator has chosen to require validation for all email addresses. Within the next 10 minutes (usually instantly) you'll receive an email with instructions on the next step. Don't worry, it won't take long before you can post!
01:13 <wrtlprnft> gah
01:14 <DrJoeTron> DEENIED
01:14 <wrtlprnft> i wonder if that idiot will accept player1@mytrashmail.com as email
01:14 <guru3> need a piece of paper to solve these linear equations
01:14 <DrJoeTron> Forum wars are soo fun :)
01:14 <guru3> pencil too
01:14 <wrtlprnft> grats to 55555!
01:14 <DrJoeTron> no guru3 
01:14 <DrJoeTron> write with blood
01:15 <DrJoeTron> it shows that you put feeling in your paper
01:15 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron where's your image now? :D
01:15 <DrJoeTron> wrtlprnft, I'm thinkin of one
01:15 <DrJoeTron> its gotta be good
01:15 <DrJoeTron> and graphically hip 
01:15 <DrJoeTron> for mspaint anyways
01:15 <DrJoeTron> I cant really draw nerd rage too well
01:15 <DrJoeTron> so Im workin on it Imworkinonit!
01:15 <guru3> if he keeps getting 6 users a day
01:15 <guru3> he'll have more users in 292 days
01:16 <DrJoeTron> good for him
01:16 <guru3> roughly
01:16 <guru3> now we have to take into account community saturation
01:16 <guru3> our expansion is pretty linear
01:16 <guru3> but his should decrease
01:16 <DrJoeTron> are there any pricks in the room who think ddosing their boards would be funny?
01:16 <DrJoeTron> nows your chance to speak
01:17 <DrJoeTron> OH SHIT
01:17 <DrJoeTron> if I can make a dummy address
01:17 <DrJoeTron> I'm going to make Triangle man
01:17 <DrJoeTron> and just post triangle images all over the fuckign site
01:19 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: their board isn hosted on some free many-boards-per-server hoster
01:19 <DrJoeTron> what?
01:19 <DrJoeTron> really?
01:19 <DrJoeTron> the guy actually built it
01:20 <DrJoeTron> ?
01:20 <DrJoeTron> good for him?
01:20 <wrtlprnft> *their board _is_ hosted
01:20 <wrtlprnft> on some free …
01:20 <DrJoeTron> he made a giant pile of shit out of his own excriment
01:20 <wrtlprnft> what was that apache benchmark thing?
01:21 <wrtlprnft> there was some command intended for benchmarking servers that i always wanted to try out
01:21 <guru3> haha i fucked up
01:21 <guru3> with this function
01:21 <guru3> his user registration becomes negative
01:21 <guru3> lmfao
01:23 <guru3> yeah so far no matter how i figure it
01:23 <guru3> people will leave his board
01:23 <guru3> (they'll leave ours too since i based the model on ours tho :/)
01:24 <DrJoeTron> hey
01:24 <DrJoeTron> guru3, 
01:24 <DrJoeTron> why havent you uploaded horrible images to his avatar?
01:25 <DrJoeTron> for*
01:25 <guru3> dunno
01:26 <guru3> but no matter how i do this 
01:26 <guru3> (despite me not being a math wizard)
01:26 <guru3> we come out on top in the long run
01:26 <DrJoeTron> Mathemagician! :V
01:27 <guru3> oh well
01:27 <guru3> time to check the posts
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01:32 <wrtlprnft> anyways, sending off a few revalidation requests
01:32 <wrtlprnft> i hope it sends him an email everytime i reload the page
01:32 <wrtlprnft> right click→reload every→1 second
01:34 <wrtlprnft> anyways
01:34 <wrtlprnft> #night
01:35 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
01:35 <guru3> the age of the board is linked with the posts per day per number of users
01:35 <guru3> so u can use this ratio to determine the number of posts after a certain period
01:35 <guru3> provided you know how many users there will be
01:35 <guru3> it's all coming together
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01:40 <ghableska> #weather 50266
01:40 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 12.0°F (6:36 PM CST on February 09, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: -4.0°F. Windchill: 5.0°F. Pressure: 29.37 in 994.5 hPa (Falling). 
01:42 <Vanhayes> #weather Saint john
01:42 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 9°F / -13°C | Humidity: 48% | Pressure: 29.59in / 1002hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 8:00 PM AST; Tonight - A few clouds. Wind west 20 km/h. Low minus 18.; Saturday - Sunny. Becoming cloudy in the afternoon. Wind west 20 km/h. High minus 8. Cold wind chill minus 28 in the morning. Saturday night..cloudy with 70 percent (1 more message)
01:44 <Vanhayes> #more
01:44 <armabot> Vanhayes: chance of flurries. Clearing overnight. Wind becoming northwest 20 km/h near midnight. Low minus 18.; Sunday - Sunny. High minus 12.;
01:46 <Vanhayes> hmm, that codehunter guy seems to have banned me from his site, I joined when I read that topic just now to see what he thinks is better, and 5 minutes later im banned
01:46 <ghableska> ?
01:46 <ghableska> the alternate forums?
01:46 <Vanhayes> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=140711#140711
01:47 <ghableska> why did he ban you?
01:47 <Vanhayes> no clue
01:48 <ghableska> o_O
01:48 <Vanhayes> just now it says I have to log in on every page, I cant see anything, and it wont log me in
01:48 <ghableska> hmm
01:49 <ghableska> and DrJoeTron adds his art :D
01:50 <DrJoeTron> :D
01:50 <Vanhayes> of course, it just wouldnt be the same without it
01:50 <ghableska> heh
01:50 <DrJoeTron> theres another one coming when I feel up to it
01:50 <DrJoeTron> haha
01:50 <ghableska> let me know :)
01:50 <DrJoeTron> hasn't there benn like 4 threads of me drawing stupid shit?
01:50 <ghableska> more?
01:51 <DrJoeTron> really?
01:51 <DrJoeTron> I mean this is a fairly new trend :d
01:51 <ghableska> "I normally would suggest everyone to calm down, but somehow I don't feel like it. Code Hunter: I'd suggest you write and read a "how to make friends on the internet" tutorial on your site." <-- great advice
01:51 <DrJoeTron> I'm thinking I should reply to all of my posts in mspaint
01:51 <ghableska> "Yeah. I think every forum needs a guy who randomly posts MS Paint cartoons." :P
01:51 <DrJoeTron> SA has threads that are nothing BUT MS Paint
01:52 <DrJoeTron> heres one now
01:52 <DrJoeTron> MS Paint the death of anna nicole smith
01:52 <ghableska> wow
01:52  * ghableska wonders what people would paint
01:52 <guru3> right that's enough math
01:52 <guru3> im satisfied he'll never catch up
01:53 <guru3> can't believe i just wasted so much time doing that
01:54 <ghableska> "If we're the children, you're the baby playing in shit."
01:54 <ghableska> hahaha
01:55 <DrJoeTron> shit
01:55 <DrJoeTron> thats right
01:55 <DrJoeTron> anna nicole smith died
01:55 <DrJoeTron> I better sell my trimspa stock
01:56 <Vanhayes> ahahaha, wow "If we're the children, you're the baby playing in shit." reminded you of anna nicole smith dying, whats that say about her?
01:56 <ghableska> a lot
01:56 <DrJoeTron> haha
02:03 <guru3> off to bed
02:03 <guru3> good night
02:05 <DrJoeTron> ta ta
02:10 <[dlh]> hmm
02:17 <DrJoeTron> http://www.joystiq.com/2007/02/09/happy-snake-man-theme-music-day/ :V
02:17 <ghableska> DrJoeTron: more spore news. :D
02:17 <DrJoeTron> I heard there is going to be a ds version
02:18 <ghableska> there's a molecular stage now
02:18 <ghableska> before the cell stage
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02:22 <DrJoeTron> get bf2 :/
02:23 <ghableska> nah
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02:27 <armabot> You're right, luke-jr *does* suck donkey balls. :)
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03:21 <DrJoeTron> oh fuck
03:21 <DrJoeTron> code hunter is on arma
03:21 <DrJoeTron> time to have fun
03:21 <DrJoeTron> #lastseen code hunter
03:21 <armabot> DrJoeTron: Code Hunter seems to be on  -=}ID< Immortal Dynasty Server right now.
03:22 <ghableska> DrJoeTron: 
03:22 <ghableska> I'm coming :P
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03:37 <MyBikeisFIGHT> ghableska, I saw we come in as forums.armagetronad.net
03:37 <ghableska> ?
03:37 <ghableska> saw = say?
03:40 <MyBikeisFIGHT> nm
03:40 <MyBikeisFIGHT> he left
03:40 <MyBikeisFIGHT> god damn
03:40 <MyBikeisFIGHT> the time my internet blows up
03:40 <MyBikeisFIGHT> I'm really starting to like this name
03:40 <ghableska> heh
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03:55 <ghableska> #weather 50266
03:55 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 10.8°F (8:52 PM CST on February 09, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: -4.0°F. Windchill: 1.4°F. Pressure: 29.39 in 995.1 hPa. 
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05:30 <spidey> Vanhayes, GodTodd  freeciv?
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07:55 <mkzelda> man, how long is 2 mins when a server bans you?
07:56 <mkzelda> cause 10 mins is a lot longer than 2
07:56 <mkzelda> and still waiting :/
07:56 <GodTodd> new math or old?
07:56 <GodTodd> ;)
07:57 <mkzelda> it said 2 mins 10 mins ago
07:57 <mkzelda> and 2 mins again
07:57 <GodTodd> ahhh new math then 
07:57 <GodTodd> heh
07:57 <mkzelda> heh
07:58 <mkzelda> damn, 2 more mins
07:58 <GodTodd> that means the length of 2 mins is inversely proportional to the amount of time you spend looking at the clock
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07:59 <GodTodd> it's the 'boiling pot theorem'
07:59 <DrJoeTron> shut up GodTodd 
07:59 <GodTodd> fuck you bitch
07:59 <GodTodd> :)
07:59 <DrJoeTron> you always do this
07:59 <DrJoeTron> :V
07:59 <GodTodd> baby i can change
07:59 <GodTodd> :P
08:01 <GodTodd> no more drawrings on the forums, joe?
08:01 <GodTodd> i'm disappointed :/
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08:02 <mkzelda> damn i finally got allowed back in and nobody is there
08:03 <GodTodd> haha
08:03 <GodTodd> it's a conspiracy!
08:04 <mkzelda> 8 servers w/ ppl in them, 7 of them are high speed/rubber :/ 180ville
08:08 <GodTodd> geez...joe comes in, verbally abuses me then shuts up :/
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08:26 <DrJoeTron> fuck!
08:26 <DrJoeTron> no I want to draw a good one
08:26 <DrJoeTron> so its gonna be a bit
08:27 <GodTodd> this is my take:
08:28 <GodTodd> http://www.toddmacy.com/sharingdispleasure.bmp
08:31 <DrJoeTron> hahaha :D
08:32 <GodTodd> my favorite part is the tron etching on the monitor :D
08:36  * GodTodd is going to supplant joe as MSPaint master :P
08:37  * GodTodd throws down the gauntlet.
08:40 <mkzelda> checking for FT_Free in -lfreetype... no
08:40 <mkzelda> configure: error: You need the library freetype to compile Armagetron. Read the file doc/install_linux.html.
08:40 <mkzelda> but i do have freetype :/
08:51 <GodTodd> #kill DrJoeTron 
08:51 <armabot> DrJoeTron will die on Tue Aug  5 00:05:13 1980 due to being stabbed in the eye by Niii.
08:52 <GodTodd> hrmm...don't like that one :/
08:52 <GodTodd> #kill DrJoeTron 
08:52 <armabot> DrJoeTron will die on Tue Jan  6 04:47:08 2004 due to being stabbed in the eye by mkzelda.
08:52 <GodTodd> #kill DrJoeTron 
08:52 <armabot> DrJoeTron will die on Sun Jan 16 19:00:07 2000 due to being stabbed in the eye by Niii.
08:52 <GodTodd> #kill DrJoeTron 
08:52 <armabot> DrJoeTron will die on Wed Jun  6 16:59:14 1984 due to being stabbed in the eye by j0h4nn3s.
08:52 <GodTodd> #kill DrJoeTron 
08:52 <armabot> DrJoeTron will die on Fri Jun 11 02:30:53 1999 due to being stabbed in the eye by armabot.
08:52 <GodTodd> bah...i wish there was a way to get only a future date :(
08:58 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
08:58 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Custer & Pleasant Valley, Plano, Texas is 38.7°F (1:58 AM CST on February 10, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 26.6°F. Pressure: 30.34 in 1027.3 hPa. 
09:05 <mkzelda> #weather 27545
09:05 <armabot> mkzelda: The current temperature in Southall Subdivision, Raleigh, North Carolina is 31.8°F (3:05 AM EST on February 10, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 12.2°F. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019.2 hPa. 
09:06 <mkzelda> #weather 28655
09:06 <armabot> mkzelda: The current temperature in Silver Creek Observatory, Morganton, North Carolina is 26.2°F (3:04 AM EST on February 10, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 17.6°F. Pressure: 30.09 in 1018.8 hPa. 
09:06 <mkzelda> #weather 33901
09:06 <armabot> mkzelda: The current temperature in Fort Myers, Florida is 59.0°F (2:53 AM EST on February 10, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 48.2°F. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa. 
09:07 <DrJoeTron> herp derp
09:21 <DrJoeTron> quiet night
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16:49 <ghableska> #weather 50266
16:50 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 1.8°F (9:46 AM CST on February 10, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -11.2°F. Pressure: 29.41 in 995.8 hPa (Rising). 
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17:02 <armabot> You're right, luke-jr *does* suck donkey balls. :)
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17:15 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: ping
17:15 <guru3> hey
17:15 <guru3> pong
17:16 <Lucifer_arma> ok, username is fcs, which is what you asked for, right?
17:16 <Lucifer_arma> please change the password to something really secure and use an ssh key.  :)  ssh key is optional, though
17:24  * ghableska just read Animal Farm
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17:47 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
17:47 <ghableska> #weather 50266
17:48 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 5.5°F (10:47 AM CST on February 10, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: -9.4°F. Pressure: 29.42 in 996.2 hPa. 
17:50 <ghableska> #armaservers
17:50 <armabot> ghableska: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (14 players) || Wild West =Capture The Flag= (10 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬ (7 players) || Strawberry Fields (7 players) || -=}ID< Immortal Dynasty Server (5 players) || Norm's Place (5 players) || ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (5 players) || ^}RC}< Lobos Royalty Clan Server (4 players) || The Dip Bowl (4 players) || °¯ps Arena (1 more message)
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17:51 <ghableska> #armaservers
17:51 <armabot> ghableska: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (14 players) || Wild West =Capture The Flag= (10 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬ (7 players) || Strawberry Fields (7 players) || -=}ID< Immortal Dynasty Server (5 players) || Norm's Place (5 players) || ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (5 players) || ^}RC}< Lobos Royalty Clan Server (4 players) || The Dip Bowl (4 players) || °¯ps Arena (1 more message)
17:51 <ghableska> #more
17:51 <armabot> ghableska: ~~~ Team Sumo ~~~ (4 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (3 players) || GEMINI PROJECT (2 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (2 players) || Super Duck Hyphy N a n o Fortress!! (2 players) || Chico's Brake Boost Styball (1 players)
17:52 <Stempo> anyone know how to bypass a windows xp password?
17:54 <Lucifer_arma> aren't there scripts you can download that do that?
17:55 <Stempo> dunno, but I can't get on my home computer without a password and it keeps saying it's wrong
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18:07 <deja_vu> Stempo: if it's xp home i think you can circumvent that by booting in protected mode
18:10 <Lucifer_arma> ask your dad why he changed your password :)
18:10 <Stempo> my dad's in Korea, my mom changed it because my brother is grounded and she doesn't want him getting on unless she knows
18:11 <Stempo> Lucifer do you ever play arma?
18:11 <Stempo> I mean I see Luzifer, but not you
18:15 <Stempo> and ady-lucifer...
18:25 <spidey> Stempo, boot in safemode, BUT you have to change the password in order to boot in normal mode
18:25 <spidey> safe mode is limited, i don't even think you get network when you're in safemode
18:26 <Stempo> I don't even know how to boot in safe mode lol
18:26  * Stempo is computer illeterate
18:26 <spidey> why not ask her for the password? :P
18:26 <Stempo> probably spelled that wrong too)
18:26 <spidey> she'll know if it's changed
18:26 <Stempo> because she's off doing whatever...
18:26 <spidey> and that means you might get grounded to ;)
18:26 <Stempo> work i think
18:26  * spidey has been there and done that >.<
18:26 <Stempo> doubt I'll get grounded
18:26 <Stempo> haha
18:27 <spidey> ok, but don't blame me if you do ;)
18:27 <Stempo> I'm pissed because she changed MY password, apparently she thought my brother knows it
18:27 <spidey> restart the pc, and the screen where it's loading press F8 a bunch of times
18:27 <spidey> a screen will come up with a bunch of boot options
18:27 <spidey> select safe mode and press enter
18:27 <Stempo> hopefully right :P
18:27 <guru3> safe mode with networking should be an option
18:28 <spidey> the pc will boot, then change the admin password like you normally would
18:28 <spidey> guru3, maybe, but it's still limited
18:28 <Stempo> it says: please select boot device
18:28 <spidey> safemode is for diagnostics only
18:28 <spidey> boot device?
18:28 <Stempo> yep, that's why I'm confused
18:28 <guru3> Stempo: you pressed it too soon
18:28 <guru3> you got the bios boot selection menu
18:28 <Stempo> crap
18:29 <guru3> altho
18:29 <Stempo> ugh, ok trying again lol
18:29 <Stempo> ?
18:29 <guru3> you could boot off a cd based linux distro
18:29 <spidey> yea
18:29 <spidey> that works if you only want basic things, like chat and web browsing
18:29 <Stempo> I want tron lol
18:30 <guru3> could probably do tron with software rendering
18:30 <spidey> guru3, wouldn't he have to make a livecd?
18:30 <spidey> i don't know any that come with tron..
18:30 <guru3> if they load a file system into memory
18:30 <spidey> ah
18:30 <guru3> could probably extract a bin onto that fs and play from there
18:30  * Stempo is totally lost
18:31 <spidey> you'll have to explain, i never did it before :D
18:31 <guru3> currently talking theory i guess
18:31 <Stempo> haha!
18:31 <Stempo> ok safe mode w/ networking safe mode w/ command prompt or safe mode
18:31 <guru3> i know one way to change any given password in a windows install
18:32 <guru3> but it's not exactly fool proof
18:32 <Stempo> ?
18:32 <spidey> use safe mode with networking
18:32 <Stempo> do tell
18:32 <guru3> actually
18:32 <Stempo> ok
18:32 <guru3> you still have to login with the admin password there spidey 
18:32 <spidey> o.O
18:32 <Stempo> ...
18:32 <spidey> do not
18:32 <Stempo> let's try it and see what happens lol
18:32 <guru3> i did last time
18:32 <spidey> my brother use to change my password all the time like that
18:32 <spidey> or wait, with the networking tag?
18:33 <Stempo> why isn't the thing guru3 is talking about fool proof?
18:33 <guru3> try either this time around
18:34 <Stempo> gah there is an admin password
18:34 <guru3> told u so
18:34 <spidey> did you use networking?
18:34 <Stempo> yep
18:34 <spidey> try again with just "safe mode"
18:34 <Stempo> okies
18:35  * Stempo hopes she seriously isn't screwing up the computer
18:36 <Stempo> dang it I pressed it too soon, I hate this lol
18:36 <spidey> ..
18:36 <spidey> why not play tron on the pc you're on?
18:36 <Stempo> spidey: what game is this? - http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5599/1kfk7.jpg
18:36 <guru3> good question
18:36 <Stempo> I'm on a school laptop
18:36 <Stempo> blocked
18:37 <guru3> how is it blocked?
18:37 <guru3> you can get on irc but not play tron?
18:37 <spidey> Stempo, that is defcon, and how'd you get that pic?
18:37 <Stempo> the school gave me the laptop, they don't know about the IRC I'm using I guess
18:37 <ghableska> http://www.appscout.com/2007/02/to_kill_a_paperclip.php
18:37 <ghableska> heh
18:37 <guru3> if you can run irc u can probably play tron
18:38 <Stempo> nope, can't download anything
18:38 <guru3> don't use an installer
18:38 <spidey> actually
18:38 <guru3> just copy the installed directory
18:38 <spidey> probably not
18:38 <Stempo> ?
18:38 <spidey> i'm willing to bet they have the local ports blocked with the windows firewall
18:38 <guru3> irc is usually the #1 thing schools block
18:39 <Stempo> I went through this website...
18:39 <guru3> unless you're using telnet
18:39 <Stempo> hold on
18:39 <Stempo> http://www.thepiclan.com/ellage/
18:39 <guru3> hrrrumph
18:39 <spidey> oh
18:39 <spidey> web chat?
18:39 <Stempo> I guess
18:39 <Stempo> lol
18:39 <spidey> Stempo, is the pc running a firewall?
18:39 <guru3> if you have the laptop
18:40 <spidey> it'll be in the system tray as a icon
18:40 <guru3> you could pop out it's hard drive
18:40 <guru3> and put in a new one
18:40 <spidey> guru3, unless he uses linux he'll have to reformat
18:40 <Stempo> she
18:40 <spidey> she :D
18:40 <Stempo> :P
18:40 <guru3> ><
18:40 <spidey> lol
18:41 <ghableska> tsk tsk\
18:41 <guru3> long story short there's no easy way around this
18:41 <Stempo> yeah I noticed
18:41 <spidey> guru3, maybe
18:41 <guru3> i'm up for ideas
18:41 <spidey> if they used a firewall she can just disable it untill she needs to return the laptop
18:42 <guru3> might not be possible if it's setup say with novell
18:42 <Stempo> it's a mac...
18:42 <Stempo> iBook G4
18:42 <guru3> cool wish i had been at a school that gave out macbooks
18:42 <spidey> lol!
18:42 <Stempo> heh
18:42 <Stempo> new school
18:42 <guru3> closest i got was bringing my own laptop
18:42 <spidey> http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/security/
18:42 <spidey> could be possible they're using that
18:43 <Stempo> yeah we're not alloed to bring our own
18:43 <guru3> wacky
18:43 <guru3> but yeah this probably rules out using the laptop for anything
18:43 <guru3> so you just have your pc at home which you've been locked out of
18:44 <Stempo> yep, for at least another 6 hours
18:44 <guru3> 6 hours ><
18:44 <Stempo> mhmm
18:44  * spidey hasn't used a mac in a while
18:44 <guru3> i'd just wait it out then
18:45 <Stempo> If I wait 6 hours then my brother, sister and mom will be home, I'll get 30 minutes max probably
18:45 <spidey> hm
18:45 <spidey> Stempo, what did safe mode give you?
18:45 <spidey> i think you can create a user in it, though i'm not sure
18:46 <Stempo> dunno
18:46 <Stempo> ugh... hitting F8 at the right time is hard
18:46 <guru3> if you could that'd be a glaringly big security hole even for windows
18:47 <ghableska> "Reminder of the PTO meeting Feb 15 7pm in the Valley Media Center. Please enter at the 3650 Woodland Avenue main entrance. This is a change of location.
18:47 <ghableska>  Guest speaker will be Kevin Marshall from the US Postal Service. His topic is student
18:47 <ghableska>  safety on the internet."
18:47 <ghableska> ...
18:47 <spidey> guru3, changing the admin password isn't? :P
18:47 <Stempo> lol
18:47 <guru3> that's why i'm sure you have to have the password to use safemode
18:47 <ghableska> how much does a mailman know about internet safety?
18:47 <Stempo> I know there is a way to blank the admin passowrd but I don't know how
18:47 <spidey> the best way to protect a system entirely is putting a bios password on :)
18:47 <spidey> can't even boot the pc without it
18:47 <guru3> which most schools do then lock the pc case
18:48 <guru3> having the bios set so u can't alter it and it only boots the hd
18:48 <spidey> yea
18:48 <guru3> ive spent a lot of time investigating things like this
18:48 <spidey> btw, windows is insecure in that area
18:48 <guru3> what with having been a student and all
18:48 <guru3> ><
18:48 <spidey> that's why i put a bios password, to keep my brother off
18:48 <guru3> that's why i run linux
18:48 <guru3> so even if other people come in
18:48 <Stempo> guru why can't you be here to press F8 at the right time for me lol
18:48 <spidey> you can do the same in linux :P
18:48 <guru3> they don't have a fucking clue how to use the computer
18:49 <guru3> Stempo: i can't press it at the right time either ><
18:49 <Stempo> haha
18:49 <spidey> if i could remember how, i could gain root on a pc that was infront of me
18:49 <guru3> ive never hit F8 at the right time
18:49 <Stempo> I've hit it once
18:49 <guru3> you're one up on me then
18:50 <Stempo> spidey how about you?
18:50 <spidey> i can :P
18:50 <spidey> you have about a 10 second delay, depending on how fast the system is
18:50 <guru3> i tend to not mess up my windows installs so that it's necessary ;)
18:50 <Stempo> when do you hit it spidey? lol
18:51 <spidey> the windows loading screen
18:51 <spidey> the one with the bars moving
18:51 <spidey> :P
18:51 <guru3> aren't they little blocks
18:51 <spidey> oh, yea
18:51 <spidey> but, it's in a bar :P
18:51 <guru3> sliding across in the little bar
18:51 <guru3> ><
18:51 <Stempo> the fat little bar at the bottom?
18:51 <spidey> yea
18:51 <Stempo> ...
18:51 <spidey> when you get to that screen press F8
18:51 <guru3> the one that if you turn your head looks like it's dancing
18:52 <Stempo> I don't even see that half the time!~
18:52 <spidey> wow
18:52 <spidey> is it a new pc?
18:52 <spidey> cause that's a pretty fast load
18:52 <guru3> usually you have at least 10 seconds
18:52 <Stempo> I didn't even blink and it never showed up
18:52 <Stempo> stupid bar
18:52 <spidey> O.O
18:53 <guru3> after the bios screen goes away
18:53 <guru3> just press it continuously
18:53 <guru3> that'd be my strategy
18:53 <Stempo> lol
18:53 <Stempo> haha
18:53 <Stempo> it worked lol
18:53 <Stempo> nice strategy lol
18:53 <guru3> being the true technician i am :)
18:53 <Stempo> hahaha
18:53 <spidey> lol
18:53 <Stempo> ok
18:54 <Stempo> which one do I choose?
18:54 <spidey> "safe mode"
18:54  * Stempo wishes she had video taped this
18:54 <spidey> the one without anyting after it
18:54 <Stempo> ok
18:54 <spidey> did it ask for a password?
18:54 <Stempo> hold your horses lol
18:54 <guru3> i don't have any horses
18:54 <guru3> ive got cute kitties tho
18:54 <spidey> i have a dog :/
18:55 <guru3> well
18:55 <guru3> not really
18:55 <spidey> 3 of them >.<
18:55 <guru3> but if i had a pet it'd be a cute kitty
18:55 <Stempo> well... be patient sheesh :P
18:55 <Stempo> haha
18:55 <spidey> guru3, i'll give you a chihuahua :D
18:55 <ghableska> the ones that chewed the internet cables?
18:55 <Stempo> haha
18:55 <guru3> haha no thanks spidey 
18:55 <spidey> it's noisey and annoying, screams all the time >.<
18:55 <Stempo> I want a chihuahua
18:55 <spidey> guru3, how about taking one of the labs? he's a trouble maker
18:55 <guru3> you've got to change those negatives into positives
18:55 <Stempo> I want a lab
18:56 <Stempo> :-D
18:56 <spidey> i have 2
18:56 <guru3> it's not the annoying screaming chihuahua, it's come and see the amazing singing chihuahua
18:56 <spidey> and a chihuahua, they're all inside dohs
18:56 <spidey> dogs
18:56 <spidey> imagen how my house is...
18:56 <Stempo> it askes for a password
18:56 <spidey> lame
18:56 <Stempo> you're telling me
18:56 <Stempo> all that trouble lol
18:56 <guru3> i live in a room that's 12 feet by 8 feet roughly
18:57 <spidey> she must have set a administrator password and not a user password
18:57 <guru3> have you tried logging in as guest?
18:57 <spidey> ohhh
18:57 <spidey> she might not have disabled it
18:57 <Stempo> she has her account password and there is another account, Administrator
18:57 <guru3> at the login screen
18:57 <Stempo> guest is disabled
18:57 <guru3> hmm
18:57 <guru3> is it like a dell PC
18:57 <guru3> or a custom pc?
18:57 <Stempo> umm... the screen says dell lol
18:58 <guru3> bah
18:58 <spidey> <3 dell
18:58 <Stempo> the screen is dell but the tower is custon.. I think
18:58 <guru3> if it was custom you could risk doing an in place windows install to let you reset the passwords
18:58 <Stempo> suctom*
18:58 <Stempo> ugh spelling is horrible
18:58 <guru3> but that won't work if it's a dell
18:58 <Stempo> It's custom, the dell tower is in the other room
18:59 <Stempo> it's just the monitor that's dell
18:59 <guru3> put together by a local pc shop?
18:59 <Stempo> put together by my friend
18:59 <guru3> even better
18:59 <Stempo> who no longer lives near me and who I have lost contact with
18:59 <Stempo> xD
18:59 <guru3> you could probably get away with using the in place install tactic to pull up the user control panel and reset passwords
18:59 <spidey> wait, wait
18:59 <guru3> or you could wait
18:59 <spidey> ahahahha
18:59 <Stempo> ...
18:59 <spidey> i'm stupid
18:59 <Stempo> how do I do that?
19:00 <spidey> anyways, do this
19:00 <Stempo> ok
19:00 <guru3> let's see what spidey says
19:00 <spidey> reboot the way i told you before
19:00 <Stempo> uh huh
19:00 <spidey> when you enter safe mode
19:00 <spidey> click Administrator to login, and leave the password blank
19:00 <spidey> it should allow you login
19:00 <Stempo> nope, it doesn't already tried
19:00 <guru3> really
19:00 <guru3> haha
19:00 <spidey> :O
19:00 <guru3> -a
19:01 <spidey> did you try your moms account, or the admin one
19:01 <guru3> you could use something like the emergency rescue cd from the people that made NTFSDOS
19:01 <Stempo> it worked before, but not anymore
19:01 <Stempo> both
19:01 <guru3> to load the registry hive
19:01 <guru3> and reset the password that way
19:01 <guru3> or
19:01 <Stempo> no idea what that is or where it would be
19:01 <guru3> you could try hacking your mom's password
19:01 <spidey> heh
19:01 <guru3> birthdays
19:01 <Stempo> she likes to be random
19:01 <spidey> click the little "?"
19:01 <spidey> see what the hint is
19:02 <guru3> good idea
19:02 <spidey> maybe you'll know the password
19:02 <Stempo> like my old password she gave me wa GBJMA36
19:02 <spidey> o.O
19:02 <guru3> geh
19:02 <guru3> that blows
19:02 <spidey> she's worse than luke!
19:02 <Stempo> lol
19:02 <guru3> well luke tries to get you to use public key
19:02 <Stempo> you should see one of my teacher's passwords
19:02 <Stempo> it's like f0dR4Bl2
19:03 <guru3> that's getting towards the security level of the root password for the forums
19:03 <Stempo> her old passwords used to be easy, like jen15
19:03 <Stempo> omg
19:03 <Stempo> maybe it's her e-mail password!
19:03 <guru3> try it
19:03  * Stempo knows that
19:04 <Stempo> nope
19:04 <guru3> doh
19:04 <Stempo> he somebody do shift 9
19:04 <Stempo> hey*
19:04 <Stempo> what happens?
19:04 <guru3> but yeah do you have a windows xp <your version> install cd?
19:05 <Stempo> not that I can see
19:05 <guru3> that'd be essential for my way :/
19:05 <Stempo> but is it a garunteed work?
19:05  * Stempo can't spell
19:06 <guru3> it's... garenteed to do _something_ about the situation
19:06 <Stempo> lol
19:06  * guru3 can't spell either
19:06 <guru3> but there's a risk of really messing up the computer
19:06 <Stempo> >.<
19:06 <spidey> wow
19:06 <guru3> and i'm afk for a min to visit the bathroom down the hall
19:06 <Stempo> haha
19:06 <spidey> o.O
19:06 <Stempo> omg I saw the bar!
19:06 <Stempo> lol
19:07 <Stempo> for like a second
19:07 <Stempo> sorry that got me excited
19:07 <Stempo> anywho: which dog can I have spidey? lol
19:08 <spidey> the touble maker :D
19:08 <spidey> trouble*
19:08 <guru3> back
19:08 <spidey> he eats holes in the sheetrock, leterally
19:08 <spidey> guru3, http://www.metacafe.com/watch/321758/how_to_bypass_a_windows_xp_password_without_any_programs/
19:08 <Stempo> haha
19:08 <Stempo> which one is that?
19:09 <spidey> wonder if that really works, i just tried it on mine, but i don't have a password by default
19:09 <guru3> fun as always walking in the corridors with bare feet here... i get to dodge the food ground into the carpet
19:09 <Stempo> access denied
19:09 <guru3> spidey: sum it up, i dun have flash
19:09 <Lucifer_arma> I just pissed off my kids, heh.
19:09 <Stempo> lol
19:09 <spidey> cmd.exe
19:09 <Stempo> how?
19:09 <spidey> net user Administrator #
19:09 <Lucifer_arma> told them I wasn't getting them lunch, I won't make myself sicker (by working) for people who'll just lay on the couch and do nothing
19:09 <spidey> new password:
19:09 <spidey> comferm:
19:10 <Stempo> lol nice
19:10 <spidey> pretty simple if you have access already
19:10 <spidey> E:\Documents and Settings\spidey>net user spidey #
19:10 <spidey> The command completed successfully.
19:10 <spidey> but since i don't have one by default, i can't change it there
19:10 <guru3> you can get the access with the install cd
19:10 <Stempo> speaking of lunch...
19:10 <Stempo> I would if I had it
19:10 <Stempo> no idea where it's at
19:11 <guru3> well you've got at least 3 hours to find it
19:11 <guru3> 30 mins to do the trick
19:11 <Stempo> great...
19:11 <guru3> and then 2 and a half hours to fix whatever goes wrong
19:11 <Stempo> lol
19:11 <spidey> ?
19:11 <spidey> depends on how long it takes to find :P
19:11 <Stempo> ugh where is Ian when I need him, he can blank the admin password
19:11 <guru3> that's why i said 3 hours
19:11 <Stempo> lol
19:11 <Stempo> I probably don't even have it
19:12 <Stempo> I think my friend had it
19:12 <Stempo> because he made it
19:12 <Stempo> ...
19:12 <spidey> heh
19:12  * guru3 seconds the "heh" with "heh"
19:12 <Stempo> lol
19:12 <guru3> yes aren't we a bunch of jolly crazy characters
19:12 <Stempo> hey what's VGA?
19:13 <spidey> monitor port
19:13 <guru3> video graphics array
19:13  * Stempo thinks this is the most I've talked without stopping
19:13 <Stempo> o
19:13 <Stempo> so it does nothing for me lol
19:13 <spidey> it's where you plug the monitor in :P
19:13 <Stempo> haha
19:13 <Stempo> well it says Enable VGA Mode
19:13 <Stempo> so I'm curious
19:14 <Stempo> Enable Boot Logging...
19:14 <guru3> VGA mode is 640x480
19:14 <Stempo> Directory services Restore Mode
19:14 <guru3> with like some set # of colors
19:14 <Stempo> oh
19:14 <Stempo> ok
19:14 <Stempo> what's "Directory Services Restore Mode"
19:15 <guru3> no clue
19:15 <Stempo> hmm
19:15 <guru3> but does anyone know the name of the vga port
19:15 <guru3> like serial is db9
19:15 <Stempo> nope
19:15 <guru3> parallel db25
19:15 <spidey> parallel is the printet? :P
19:15 <guru3> midi db15
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19:16 <guru3> ah dsub15
19:16 <guru3> always wondered about that
19:17 <guru3> old macs also used db15 for the monitor come to think of it
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19:18 <guru3> according to wikipedia
19:18 <guru3> macs used a DA15 then
19:18 <guru3> and pcs today use a DE15
19:18 <guru3> i remember we used to have this massive think DD50 cable
19:18 <guru3> no clue what it was for
19:19 <guru3> think i had a tape drive card with a DC37 on it tho
19:19 <guru3> anyway
19:20 <guru3> Stempo: doesn't look like much we can do
19:20 <Stempo> mhmm
19:20 <Stempo> oh well
19:20 <guru3> i shall now proceed to eat my pie
19:20 <guru3> as i have tried to help someone
19:20 <guru3> hurray for me
19:20 <Stempo> lol
19:21 <guru3> viva pie
19:21 <Stempo> I'm gonna go eat a banana, get dressed, and then go to the movies
19:21 <Stempo> hopefully
19:22 <guru3> have fun
19:22 <Stempo> I'm gonna watch Pan's Lab...seomthing
19:22 <Stempo> something*
19:24  * MaZuffeR adds oops to the list of clans he's been invited to
19:24 <spidey> lol
19:25 <guru3> i don't need to keep track
19:25 <guru3> ive got something bettter :>
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19:32 <Stempo> chat died
19:32 <Stempo> spidey!!!
19:32 <Stempo> spidey: which dog can I have again?
19:33 <guru3> the chihuahua i think he siad
19:33 <Stempo> I thought it was the one that eats sheetrock
19:33 <Stempo> or the chihuahua that is so annoying
19:33  * Stempo will take sheetrock dog
19:33 <Stempo> he can chew on a cactus
19:34 <guru3> i thought that was the chihuahua
19:34 <Stempo> dunno
19:34 <Stempo> #cnn 85747
19:34 <armabot> Stempo: The current temperature in Davis Monthan Afb, AZ is 65.0°F. Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 30%. Wind: ESE at 4 mph (6 km/h).
19:35 <Stempo> hmm... pants or shorts...
19:35 <Stempo> tank top, long sleeve or short sleeve
19:35 <Stempo> pants and short sleeve...
19:35 <GodTodd> a chihuahua that eats sheetrock? what brand of meth is he on?
19:35 <Stempo> hahahahaha
19:36 <guru3> haha
19:36 <Stempo> what'd I call you again?)
19:36 <Stempo> gah
19:36 <GodTodd> dork?
19:36 <Stempo> Hey Mister Sir Todd Man
19:36 <GodTodd> asshole?
19:36 <Stempo> something like that
19:36 <GodTodd> :D
19:36 <Stempo> lol
19:37 <Stempo> ddoTdoG
19:37 <Stempo> that's cunfuzling
19:37 <Stempo> anyways, brb, phone..
19:39 <Stempo> there is an arrow... on the bottom of my foot...
19:39 <Stempo> in red pen...
19:39 <Stempo> I don't even want to know how it got there
19:39 <guru3> so you don't lose track of which way you're walking?
19:39 <Stempo> lol
19:40 <Stempo> wouldn't help if I was walking, I wouldn't be able to see it
19:40 <guru3> well the floor would be prepared at least
19:40 <Stempo> so corny, yet so funny :-D
19:40 <GodTodd> which way you should be pointing for optimum pleasure?
19:41 <GodTodd> #dance
19:41 <armabot> GodTodd does the 'I killed chat' dance.
19:42 <Stempo> forward?
19:42 <Stempo> lol
19:42 <Stempo> I was in the other room
19:42 <Stempo> trying to find a freaking short sleeved shirt!
19:42  * GodTodd was thinking more along the lines of 'up' and 'down' but forward works too 
19:42 <GodTodd> heh
19:42 <Stempo> that it's a sports shirt
19:42 <Stempo> isn't*
19:42 <guru3> it's the middle of winter Stempo, the odds aren't favorable
19:43 <Stempo> I'm in Arizona :P
19:43 <Stempo> so it's warm enough
19:43 <guru3> why do people from around there keep showing up i wonder
19:43 <Stempo> ?
19:43 <Stempo> showing up?
19:43 <guru3> in here
19:43 <Stempo> who else has?
19:44 <guru3> dunno just a feeling i get
19:44 <Stempo> guru3 you have no idea who you're talking todo you?
19:44 <Stempo> to do*
19:44 <GodTodd> hmmm....anyone think i could take joe's MSPaint title away?
19:44 <guru3> ive got a vauge idea
19:44 <Stempo> hahaha
19:44 <Stempo> draw something
19:44 <Stempo> and maybe
19:44 <GodTodd> http://www.toddmacy.com/sharingdispleasure.bmp
19:45 <Stempo> well your vague idea is probably right
19:45 <Stempo> tell me your vague idea
19:45 <Stempo> please
19:45 <Stempo> god todd it took forever to load
19:46 <guru3> meh, it's more fun to leave people in suspence
19:46 <Stempo> hahaha Nice one Mister Sir Mspaint Todd Man
19:46 <guru3> *suspense
19:46 <Stempo> *shrugs* works for me
19:48 <Stempo> Todd: Mind if I put that on my forums? I think it's great
19:48 <Stempo> brb phone
19:49 <GodTodd> sure
19:54 <GodTodd> bah....isn't it just common courtesy to specify the strings you want compared when requiring inclusion of an equals() method?
19:54 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, is it?
19:55 <GodTodd> well...i could compare the strings with it...if i knew what damn strings to compare :/
19:55 <Lucifer_arma> heh, is that for code hunter, that cartoon?
19:56 <GodTodd> yep :D
19:56 <GodTodd> i felt moved last night and joe's been paintmaster for far too long ;)
19:57  * GodTodd gets a THEM flashback whenever he sees 'far too long'. heh
19:58 <Stempo> I missed something didn't I?
19:58 <GodTodd> with the codehunter thing?
19:58 <Lucifer_arma> just another script kiddie whining that we don't love the smell of his ass
19:58 <Stempo> something like that
19:58 <Stempo> lol
19:59 <GodTodd> yeah...more emo crap
19:59  * Stempo cuts wrists and cries like an emo
19:59 <GodTodd> "love me and my 1337|\|3$$
19:59 <spidey> #last --with spidey --nolimit
19:59 <Stempo> leetness?
19:59 <Lucifer_arma> I think we'd win the war on terror if we just dropped all our emos in the middle east
20:00 <GodTodd> bahahah
20:00 <GodTodd> make them go hari kari?
20:00 <GodTodd> ;)
20:00 <GodTodd> or just tell the emos that the explosives we're strapping to them are just another new goth adornment....they'll wear them by the dozens
20:01 <armabot> spidey: [19:40:42] <Stempo> spidey: which dog can I have again?, [19:40:32] <Stempo> spidey!!!, [19:18:20] <spidey> E:\Documents and Settings\spidey>net user spidey #, [19:17:35] <guru3> spidey: sum it up, i dun have flash, [19:15:39] <Stempo> anywho: which dog can I have spidey? lol, [19:08:09] <guru3> let's see what spidey says, [19:03:31] <guru3> haha no thanks spidey, [18:58:53] <Stempo> when (2 more messages)
20:01 <Lucifer_arma> I was actually thinking something more like this
20:01 <Lucifer_arma> emo kid in a terrorist camp:  Waaa, my mom took away my iPod, I'm going to cut myself!
20:01 <Lucifer_arma> terrorist: Man, that's rough.
20:01 <spidey> lol!
20:01 <Lucifer_arma> emo kid: Look, look, I cut my wrist, now I need medication!
20:02 <Lucifer_arma> terrorist: Wow, you're screwed up kid.
20:02 <Lucifer_arma> terrorist takes the bombs off his belt
20:02 <Lucifer_arma> terrorist: there *are* worse things than being oppressed by American imperialism.
20:02 <GodTodd> bahaha
20:03 <GodTodd> hrmmm...i just had a weird thought....saddam being caught and executed...just another example of a dick being tamed by a bush
20:04 <Lucifer_arma> tamed?
20:04 <GodTodd> well...can't get much more tame than dead
20:04 <Lucifer_arma> having flashbacks of, er, that-girl-that-cut-her-husband's-dick-off-and-tossed-it-out-the-window?
20:04 <GodTodd> bobbitt
20:04 <Lucifer_arma> that's the one
20:04 <Lucifer_arma> she should run for president
20:05 <GodTodd> i'ma vote for hillary
20:05 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know if I will.  I've decided she doesn't have what it's going to take to clean up bush's mess
20:06 <Lucifer_arma> bill could do it, I'd gladly reelect him at this point
20:06 <Lucifer_arma> hell, even George HW Bush could do it
20:06 <GodTodd> i just think it'd be cool to go for twenty years with nothing but a bush or a clinton in office
20:06 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm
20:06 <Lucifer_arma> HW was elected in 88
20:06 <GodTodd> possibly 24 years 
20:06 <GodTodd> oh yeah
20:06 <Lucifer_arma> started serving in 89
20:07 <GodTodd> 24-28 then
20:07 <GodTodd> yeah...i was only thinking back to clinton's first term for some reason
20:07 <GodTodd> :/
20:08 <Lucifer_arma> we should reelect reagan
20:08 <GodTodd> didn't he die?
20:08 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but it's only a minor obstacle.  The big thing is getting his party's nomination.
20:08 <GodTodd> haha
20:08 <Lucifer_arma> I think I've got the inspiration I need to start my stickman comic
20:08 <GodTodd> we should amend the constitution and elect arnold
20:09 <Lucifer_arma> emo kid in a terrorist camp has lots of possibilities
20:09 <GodTodd> make stallone the VP
20:09 <GodTodd> then send *them* over to iraq
20:09 <Lucifer_arma> Man, after arnold is done in california, I want him to come and run in Texas
20:10 <Lucifer_arma> eh?  You don't send actors trained in theatrical fighting (or wahtever it's called), you send real killers
20:10 <GodTodd> bah....movies are real
20:10 <GodTodd> :P
20:10 <GodTodd> send the terminator and rambo
20:11 <GodTodd> and some of those 'tough as nails' pro wrestlers too
20:11 <Lucifer_arma> send Dave Mustaine, the Emo King of Metal
20:11 <GodTodd> they really fight too :D
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20:11 <Lucifer_arma> and his little brother, James "emo" Hetfield
20:11 <GodTodd> haha
20:11 <guru3> send jackie chan
20:11 <Lucifer_arma> ooo, yeah, so he can do that rope-with-a-horseshoe thing
20:12  * GodTodd sends the spirit of bruce lee.
20:12 <Lucifer_arma> oh come on, if we're going to send an actor, it has to be Ewan McGregor
20:13 <GodTodd> ooooh....nonviolence rules....send leonardo dicaprio and brad pitt....the terrorists will be too busy fawning to shoot back
20:13 <Lucifer_arma> I did suggest sending emos already :)
20:13 <GodTodd> yeah but not *pretty* emos
20:13 <GodTodd> :)
20:14 <Lucifer_arma> send Johnny Depp and he'll create a wave of confusion that'll bring all terrorist activities to a screeching halt as they collectively ask themselves "What the fuck was that?"
20:15 <GodTodd> or....send steve guttenberg with a sign around his neck that says "i had an acting career"....talk about confusion
20:16 <Lucifer_arma> man, he didn't have an acting career, he was a police academy guy, that's all
20:16 <GodTodd> ummm
20:16 <Lucifer_arma> his career tanked when police academy was over
20:16 <GodTodd> short circuit :P
20:16 <GodTodd> 1 *and* 2
20:16 <Lucifer_arma> have you seen those movies since you were 12?  They really suck...
20:17 <Lucifer_arma> Why did you like Short Circuit and not 3 men and a baby?
20:17 <Lucifer_arma> Answer: You were 8 for the first, and 16 for the second!
20:17 <GodTodd> no, i haven't...i have fond memories of 1 and don't wanna ruin them heh
20:17 <Lucifer_arma> now, ironically, APD is setting up a new citizens on patrol program
20:17 <Lucifer_arma> They're going to put regular citizens in squad cars and have them patrol
20:17 <GodTodd> i *have* watched ghostbusters since and it's really cheesy
20:17 <Lucifer_arma> I laughed my ass off when I saw that announcement
20:18 <GodTodd> sorry ;)
20:18 <Lucifer_arma> I watched ghostbusters sometime after I was 25 and still loved it.  That's classic movie there
20:18 <GodTodd> well...i guess they've already got the guns...might as well give them badges and shit
20:18 <GodTodd> oh...it's a great movie...just cheesy
20:18 <Lucifer_arma> er, I guess I'm the only one in the whole world who actually remembers the police academy movies :(
20:18 <GodTodd> probably because of the oversaturation afterwards
20:18 <GodTodd> nope
20:18 <Lucifer_arma> (police academy 4 was citizens on patrol)
20:18 <GodTodd> i watched them all
20:19 <GodTodd> yep
20:19 <Lucifer_arma> my wife didn't understand what was so funny about APD doing a citizens on patrol program
20:19 <GodTodd> she's too young ;)
20:19 <Lucifer_arma> she's such a kid sometimes, never even heard of police academy
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20:20 <GodTodd> heh...karen is older than me and never seen ghostbusters
20:23 <luke-jr> I've seen it like 3x
20:23 <GodTodd> i should probably get the dvd
20:23 <guru3> ive never seen it either
20:23 <Stempo> me neither
20:24 <GodTodd> lame
20:24 <GodTodd> ;)
20:24 <Stempo> I'm not in touch with the older generation
20:24 <Lucifer_arma> you guys are little kids though, his wife's a full grown woman
20:24  * GodTodd is *not* part of the older generation. :P
20:24 <Stempo> lol
20:24 <GodTodd> so's mine
20:25 <Lucifer_arma> mine too, but she'd seen ghostbusters plenty of times
20:25 <Stempo> I think I saw half of ghostbusters
20:25 <Stempo> or maybe it was a paradoy...
20:25 <Lucifer_arma> Ray, if someone asks you if you're a god, YOU...SAY...YES!
20:25 <Stempo> parody?
20:25  * GodTodd actually saw it in the theatres.
20:25 <Stempo> wow
20:25 <Lucifer_arma> how would you make a parody of ghostbusters?  It's already a comedy...
20:26 <Stempo> yeah I know lol
20:26 <guru3> have it be all mock serious
20:26  * Lucifer_arma didn't see it in the theatres, my parents heard it was "dirty"
20:26 <Stempo> I dunno I remember a marshmellow
20:26 <GodTodd> the library scene scared me shitless
20:26 <Lucifer_arma> the marshmallow man was in it
20:26 <GodTodd> the Stay-Puft marshmallow man!!!!
20:26 <GodTodd> :D
20:26 <Stempo> ah ok then I wasn't hallucinating
20:26 <Lucifer_arma> I tried to think of the most harmless thing I could think of.  I remember as a kid......it's the Stay-Puft Marshmallow man
20:26 <Stempo> lol
20:27 <Stempo> as I kid I watched Chukie...
20:27 <Stempo> chuckie*
20:27  * Stempo can't sleep with her closet open or her door
20:28 <GodTodd> ah...poltergeist did that for me
20:28 <GodTodd> had a toy clown that i didn't see for 15 years or so
20:28 <Stempo> didn't see that unfortunately, only saw the parody :-D
20:28 <Lucifer_arma> oddly enough, the only thing that ever scared me when I was a kid was the halloween episode of scooby doo
20:28 <Stempo> haha
20:28 <Lucifer_arma> poltergeist was nothing compared to that
20:28 <Stempo> well... no I can see that
20:29 <Lucifer_arma> man, it has that guy on the horse with a pumpkin for a head saying "I want your head, give me your head!"
20:29 <Stempo> >.<
20:29 <Lucifer_arma> I still get spooked when he shows up as cameos in other scooby doo things
20:29 <Stempo> well I see chuckie holding a knife
20:30 <Stempo> and I screamed for the first time in a "scary" movie, the Grudge... I'm going soft
20:31 <guru3> instead of knives picture everyone holding rubber chickens instead
20:31 <guru3> guarenteed to make the movie more interestintg
20:31 <guru3> *interesting
20:31 <Stempo> lol
20:31 <GodTodd> terms of endearment....now *there's* a scary movie
20:31 <Stempo> hahahaha
20:31 <Stempo> I think I saw that...
20:32 <Stempo> well it's playing on the tv
20:32 <Lucifer_arma> I was horrified by Dark Side of the Moon (b movie)
20:32 <luke-jr> ...
20:32 <Stempo> b movie?
20:32 <Lucifer_arma> until the Devil came out and started prancing around
20:32 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it's a b movie about a spaceship in orbit that gets stalked
20:32 <GodTodd> santa claus conquers the martians!
20:33 <Lucifer_arma> they wind up extrapolating the bermuda triangle into orbit (which is dumb) and show that the ship was in the bermuda triangle
20:33 <Lucifer_arma> it was spooky until the devil came out, but it had one of the coolest sex scenes.  The devil just possesses this woman and makes her feel herself up
20:33 <Lucifer_arma> it's hard to call that rape, you know.
20:33 <GodTodd> haha
20:33 <GodTodd> yeah...it's not like he knocked her up or anything
20:33 <GodTodd> *cough*
20:34 <Lucifer_arma> I don't htink they did anything like that, but I was really high when I watched it.  It was just an ALien knockoff anyway.
20:34 <Stempo> lol
20:34 <Stempo> jsut read all that
20:34 <Stempo> just*
20:34 <Lucifer_arma> man, my fencing class is a bunch of kids.
20:35 <Lucifer_arma> during drill, every now and then I say "So we meet again, for the first time, for the last time, for the first time!"
20:35 <GodTodd> the older you get, the bigger the bunch of 'kids' gets
20:35 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
20:35 <Lucifer_arma> I finally won a bout, though.  :)
20:35 <GodTodd> cool :)
20:35 <Stempo> congratz
20:35 <Lucifer_arma> lost 2.  :(
20:36 <Stempo> what do you fence with?
20:36 <Stempo> epee? saber? etc.
20:36 <Lucifer_arma> but actually winning was neat, because I usually find myself down 3-1, bring it up to 4-4, and then choke
20:36 <Lucifer_arma> foil for now
20:36 <Lucifer_arma> saber is introduced at the end of the second semester, but I'm in the first semester
20:37 <Stempo> ah ok
20:37 <Lucifer_arma> there's two guys that bouted for like 20 minutes because neither would take the initiative, neither would assert themselves
20:37 <Lucifer_arma> then two other guys (one of which is me) that would finish their bout in like 5 minutes or less because they kept going at it
20:37 <Stempo> heh
20:38 <Lucifer_arma> I need to learn how to feint better, though.  I kept thrusting a little to the side to draw the other guy's parry, but it was a miss, and it didn't draw his parry
20:38 <Lucifer_arma> instead he just kept sticking me when I tried
20:38 <Lucifer_arma> the same trick in sexte got me several good points, though.  (the one in forte was the one that kept missing)
20:38 <Lucifer_arma> need to work on that.  Teacher gave me a lecture that your feint has to be real or he doesn't need to parry.
20:39 <Stempo> I don't know much about fencing xD
20:40 <Stempo> what's sexte and forte?
20:40 <Stempo> forte sounds familiar though
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20:43 <Vanhayes> #t french to english forte
20:43 <armabot> Vanhayes: strong
20:44 <Stempo> that actually makes sense, ty Van
20:44 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma: do you have to wear that white body suit thing already, or does that come later?
20:44 <Vanhayes> np
20:44 <Vanhayes> I have no idea what sexte means though
20:45 <Stempo> #t french to english sexte
20:45 <armabot> Stempo: sexte
20:45 <Stempo> nope doesn't work lol
20:46 <Stempo> #cnn 85747
20:46 <armabot> Stempo: The current temperature in Davis Monthan Afb, AZ is 73.0°F. Conditions: Sunny. Humidity: 23%. Wind: NNE at 4 mph (6 km/h).
20:48 <Vanhayes> well I knew forte was fench for strong, I have no clue what language sexte is even in
20:48 <Stempo> it's french
20:49 <epsy> i dont know that work and i"m french
20:50 <Stempo> weird, any search I get it's mentioned on french websites
20:50 <epsy> lol
20:50 <Stempo> i mean just google and go "define: sexte"
20:50 <Stempo> shows up on french websites lol
20:51  * Stempo wonders if wikipedia has it
20:51 <epsy> lol
20:51 <epsy> never heard that word
20:51 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: I have to wear the jacket and visor
20:51 <Lucifer_arma> and a glove
20:52 <epsy> partie d ' office une contribution d'un internaute, sur le babillard --> contribution
20:52 <Vanhayes> Im supposedl;y bulingual and I have no clue what it means
20:52 <Lucifer_arma> forte is the inside of the blade, above the guard.  Sexte is outside/above
20:52 <Lucifer_arma> they might be italian in origin, I don't know
20:52 <Lucifer_arma> in english people usually say "four" and "six"
20:52 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma: how much does that stuff weigh, ive always wondered
20:52 <Stempo> oh
20:52 <Lucifer_arma> not much.  the jacket weighs about waht a good winter coat weighs, the visor you don't even notice
20:52 <Lucifer_arma> the foil itself is light and well-balanced
20:53 <epsy> these defs on google are weird french, trough
20:53 <Stempo> lol
20:53 <Stempo> how much does a good winter coat weigh?
20:53  * Stempo lives in arizona
20:53  * epsy lives in paris
20:53 <epsy> hrhr
20:53  * Lucifer_arma lives in Austin
20:53 <Vanhayes> heh, they dont weigh that much
20:54 <Lucifer_arma> you can get really light foils, thanks to modern material sciences, but even the classic foils made out of regular steel aren't heavy
20:54 <Vanhayes> Id say around 1-2 kg
20:54 <Lucifer_arma> my 3 year old can hold mine and go to en garde
20:55 <Lucifer_arma> everything's provided by the school, but I bought a foil to practice at home with
20:55 <Lucifer_arma> of course, putting a foil in a 3 year old's hand is asking for trouble
20:56 <Lucifer_arma> the other thing is the jacket isn't as bulky as a winter coat.  It's just thick cotton, almost like denim (which is made out of cotton)
20:57 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, it's well worth the time.  I highly recommend fencing for anybody looking for a new hobby
20:57  * Stempo 
20:58 <Lucifer_arma> I'd also recommend a bandana or a headband of some sort if you don't want sheets of sweat falling over your eyes, the visor is hot and it's a good workout
20:58  * Lucifer_arma is going to increase his bandana investment, he only has 3
21:00 <Stempo> I have tons of bandanas I'm just not allowed to wear them because my school thinks they're "gangster"
21:01 <Stempo> ty for the tips luci
21:01 <Stempo> fer
21:01  * Stempo is not getting a beat down for calling you "luci"
21:01 <Lucifer_arma> one of mine passes for a crip bandana
21:02  * Lucifer_arma has been called luci since he started playing, he's got a highlighter for it here
21:02 <Lucifer_arma> my other two, one's a texas flag and the other's a tie-dye
21:02 <Lucifer_arma> I used to wear a star wars headband that I cut off a sheet and hemmed, back when I was in high school, and the school told me not to wear it because blue was a gangster color
21:02 <Lucifer_arma> so I threatened to get my star wars gang buddies and do a drive by
21:03 <Stempo> haha
21:03 <Lucifer_arma> they didn't like that
21:03 <Stempo> it's gotten so bad here we can't wear, hats, headbands, and select shirts
21:04 <Lucifer_arma> my school was like that too.  :(
21:04 <Lucifer_arma> and this was quite awhile ago, probably before you grew pubes
21:04 <Stempo> I don't see why they are doing it here I mean... we all have laptops... it's basically geeks and nerds and computer junkies
21:04 <Stempo> that's nice luc
21:04 <Lucifer_arma> there was actually a gun battle at the mid high school that got a girl's eye shot out.  She wore a glass eye after that
21:05 <Stempo> ouch
21:05 <Lucifer_arma> it might have been just a regular drive by, I don't really remember, and the details I heard were all fuzzy.  All I know for sure is the girl who actually got hit was a bystander
21:06 <Stempo> >.<
21:06 <Lucifer_arma> it was that incident that kicked off the wardrobe limitations, iirc.
21:07 <Stempo> well at least limitations are better than uniforms, at my old private school grils had to wear navy skirts or dresses with a white blouse
21:07 <Stempo> girls*
21:07 <Lucifer_arma> there was a growing minority that wanted uniforms
21:08 <Stempo> as long as I can wear pants instead of a skirt I'm good
21:08 <Lucifer_arma> uniforms in public schools are dumb.
21:08 <Lucifer_arma> hell, uniforms in private schools are too.
21:08 <Stempo> totally agree
21:09 <Lucifer_arma> It's all about submerging the individual and making everybody act and think the same.  It's a danger to our republic
21:09 <Lucifer_arma> not that it matters much, the republic is already subverted.
21:09 <Stempo> heh xD
21:10 <Stempo> just curious... are you liberal... or conservative or w/e
21:11 <Lucifer_arma> crackpot
21:11  * Lucifer_arma doesn't subscribe to liberals vs conservatives
21:11 <Stempo> lol
21:12 <Stempo> what do you think about the war?
21:12 <Lucifer_arma> I am, at this moment in time, the only person in the western world I am aware of who opposed going to afghanistan
21:13 <Lucifer_arma> so, errr, you can extrapolate from that :)
21:14 <Stempo> *shrugs* just curious, I'm opposed to it, but I'm biased
21:14 <Lucifer_arma> this so-called war on terrorism is just the latest part of a conflict that has been going on since the religion of Islam was formed and went on its own campaign for world domination
21:14 <Stempo> so... we're only there to make sure Christianity remains #1?
21:14 <Lucifer_arma> so it's like a 1300-year fight, so far.  Since war hasn't resolved this conflict in the last 1300 years, why should we think it's going to work this time, with this president, with this country?
21:15 <Lucifer_arma> no, at this point the original reasons for the conflict are irrelevant and largely obsolete.  Now we're just doing retaliation
21:15 <Stempo> interesting
21:15 <Lucifer_arma> in response to their retaliation, which is in response to ours, etc.
21:16 <Lucifer_arma> probably the latest flare up is tied to the breakup of the ottoman empire after WWI
21:16 <Lucifer_arma> and the so-called end of european colonialism
21:16 <Stempo> I thought the war was about the middle east not liking democracy?
21:16 <Stempo> well..terrorists...w/e
21:16 <Lucifer_arma> they don't like *our* democracy.  :)
21:16 <Stempo> haha
21:16 <Lucifer_arma> that's what bush says, but it's not true.  If they were attacking freedom, why did they hit the world trade center?
21:17 <Lucifer_arma> The world trade center isn't a symbol of freedom, it's a symbol of economic strength
21:17 <Lucifer_arma> the pentagon is the symbol of military strength
21:17 <Lucifer_arma> did they hit the statue of liberty?  The liberty bell?
21:17 <Stempo> hmm never thought about that
21:18 <Stempo> what's so bad about our democracy?
21:18 <Lucifer_arma> Osama Bin Laden has a very good point about one thing.  The Bush family loves a brutal monarchy in saudi arabia
21:18 <Lucifer_arma> well, we don't have a democracy.  We have a *republic*
21:18 <Lucifer_arma> and our republic is subverted.  The fact that only 1/3 of the house seats are ever going to be competitive due to years of gerrymandering should tell you that
21:19 <Lucifer_arma> we have legislators who talk about "Free market", but don't specify who it's going to be free for.  Here in Texas, it means "free market for businesses", and so-called consumers are turning into serfs
21:19 <Stempo> this is gonna sound childish: use smaller words I'm almost totally lost about what you just said
21:19 <Lucifer_arma> ok, do you know what gerrymandering is?
21:20 <Stempo> nope
21:20 <Lucifer_arma> it's pretty easy.  :)  All the hippies live in one part of town, all the crazy conservatives live in another, all the poor people in another, etc, right?
21:20 <Stempo> right
21:20 <Stempo> h ok, I get it :-D
21:21 <Lucifer_arma> so 2/3 of the house seats are for districts that have been drawn in such a way that without a mass migration, they will always vote to the party that drew them
21:22 <Stempo> so basically our government sucks
21:22 <Lucifer_arma> not sucks, it's just sick and needs attention
21:22 <Stempo> and how do "we the people" nurse it back to health
21:23 <Lucifer_arma> to be honest, I don't think we can
21:23 <Stempo> why's that?
21:23 <Lucifer_arma> I used to think it would take insurrection to get it one, but having seen several governments toppled throughout the world by peaceful means I'm starting to wonder
21:24 <Lucifer_arma> because we're not organized, and even if we get organized, 90% of the wealth in this country is concentrated against us
21:24 <Stempo> True true
21:24 <Lucifer_arma> what we need to fix it is to get some folks minded towards fixing things up into the major parties and into the really rich
21:24  * Stempo looks up insurrection
21:24 <Stempo> talk to Bill Gates
21:24 <Lucifer_arma> make it in government's and corporations' best interests to fix it insted of keep screwing it up
21:25 <Stempo> and how would we appeal to the government and corporations?
21:26 <Lucifer_arma> we don't.  :)  What we do is vote with our dollars for the companies we think are going in the right direction
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21:26 <spidey> lol
21:26 <Genki> it seems difficult
21:26 <Lucifer_arma> and try to use whatever ambition we might have personally to push ourselves into the position needed, like the top of the biggest software company in the world
21:27 <Genki> why are you laughing spidey?
21:27 <Genki> and what would I do? I'm still young
21:27 <Lucifer_arma> start with "I won't support RIAA labels"
21:27 <Lucifer_arma> since you're in their target audience
21:27 <Genki> RIAA?
21:28 <Lucifer_arma> those are the guys trying to screw up copyright law
21:28 <Lucifer_arma> the problem with copyright law is that when taken to an extreme, copyright infringement is thoughtcrime
21:28 <Genki> ugh not thoughtcrime, I hated trying to puzzle that out
21:29 <Lucifer_arma> using only open source software is a good step also, imo
21:29 <Genki> ?.? open source?
21:29 <Lucifer_arma> thoughtcrime is easy.  You get jailed for thinking something.  Think to yourself "Happy birthday to you!" and go to jail for not paying the royalty
21:29 <spidey> riaa?
21:29 <Lucifer_arma> RIAA = Recording Industry Association of AMerica
21:30 <spidey> aren't they only into music? 
21:30 <Lucifer_arma> they're a non-profit lobbying group that represents record labels
21:30 <spidey> so what do they have to do with open source software?
21:30 <Lucifer_arma> record lables are the evil people that own the copyrights to the music you listen to (most likely)
21:30 <Lucifer_arma> so the RIAA are the ones crying "Think of the starving artists!", but they really mean "Help the record labels get richer!"
21:30 <Genki> so you want me to... pirate music? lol
21:30 <Lucifer_arma> no, just don't support the labels
21:31 <spidey> aka
21:31 <Lucifer_arma> I won't buy any more music from an RIAA-affiliated label
21:31 <Genki> so don't buy music?
21:31 <Genki> and how would i know which music?
21:31 <spidey> move to canada untill the evil US government forces them to join like they did russia
21:31 <Vanhayes> bah
21:31 <spidey> with econimical powers
21:31 <Lucifer_arma> beats me, I think there's plenty of music out there that's not riaa-affiliated, but I don't really look much anymore
21:31 <Lucifer_arma> I just play my bass and stuff
21:32 <Genki> I don't buy music, never have
21:32 <Genki> I don't own a single CD xD
21:32 <Vanhayes> I have about 1500 songs on this computer and only about 200 are from cds
21:32 <spidey> i own cd's
21:32 <spidey> i just didn't buy them from a store
21:32 <spidey> :P
21:33 <Genki> lol
21:33 <spidey> well
21:33 <spidey> i bought the cd's
21:33 <spidey> just not what's on them
21:33 <Genki> lol
21:34 <Genki> wait you play the bass?
21:35 <Genki> spidey which dog or dogs do I get?
21:35 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, what happens in music is important by itself, and also because it affects general copyright law, which affects software
21:35 <Genki> oh
21:35 <Lucifer_arma> and we're in an information-based economy, meaning if private corporations are able to exert control over the flow of information, they can censor us
21:35 <Lucifer_arma> and censorship is on the road to empire, really.  :(
21:36 <Genki> so should I lead a rebellion/boycott  against RIAA with the schools around here? :-D
21:36 <Lucifer_arma> it's also not necessarily protected by the first amendment
21:36 <Lucifer_arma> sure.  :)
21:36 <Lucifer_arma> There's an ongoing boycott that I've been part of that has been taking a small toll on them.
21:36 <Genki> ugh I hate censorship, I got censored in my school newspaper for saying the word shit, I told them it was a verb and perfectly acceptable
21:36 <Genki> among other things...
21:37 <Lucifer_arma> if music matters to you, anyway.  If it doesn't, there are other places to care where you can exercise the power you have.
21:37 <Lucifer_arma> see, your vote (which you're too young to use yet) doesn't count for much, but your money counts for more
21:37 <Genki> I like music, yes, but I just recently started listening to it
21:37 <Lucifer_arma> we could all vote the republican into office while turning around and economically supporting the democrat without even knowing it
21:39 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, come right down to it, I think we just need to ride it out, spend our money conscientiously, vote the best we can, and just ride it out
21:39 <Lucifer_arma> if things get worse, a future generation will fix it with revolution.  If they get better, it's a problem solved.
21:39 <Genki> when's the next election? 08 or 09? something...
21:39 <Lucifer_arma> 08
21:40 <Lucifer_arma> presidential, anyway
21:40 <Genki> damn it
21:40 <Lucifer_arma> we just had a state election last fall
21:40 <Genki> :x
21:40 <Genki> oh
21:40 <Lucifer_arma> that was the big national election where the house and senate switched from slight republican majorities to slight democrat majorities
21:40 <Genki> gah... won't be able to vote in 08
21:40 <Lucifer_arma> local elections are the important ones
21:41 <Genki> I won'tbe able to vote till 09
21:41 <Lucifer_arma> the national platforms for each party are derived from local platforms, so only voted in national elections is fairly useless
21:42 <Lucifer_arma> instead, worry about local elections, don't miss those! (There are a lot more)  and hit the national elections as they come
21:42 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know about arizona, but around here there are elections of some sort or other every 2 years at most, sometimes more often
21:42 <Genki> what's required to vote? *other than 18*
21:42 <Lucifer_arma> so you'd get to vote pretty quickly :)
21:42 <Genki> heh
21:42 <Lucifer_arma> you have to register
21:42 <Genki> I see voting signs everywhere at my school almost twice a year
21:42 <Lucifer_arma> that's it.  Do it when you renew your driver's license (or first get it), or whatever
21:42 <Genki> lol
21:43 <Lucifer_arma> schools are frequently used as polling stations :)
21:43 <Lucifer_arma> my community college is a polling station
21:43 <Genki> yeah, I noticed
21:43 <Genki> oh
21:43 <Lucifer_arma> registering is free, and is supposed to be lifetime (if you never move, anyway)
21:43  * Genki wishes she lived near luc so she could question him about voting
21:44 <Lucifer_arma> when you actually vote, they're supposed to take your regular photo ID, you don't have to have the registration card
21:44 <Genki> I'm moving right after highschool xD
21:44 <Lucifer_arma> that's how it works here anyway, don't know about arizona, but I thought those were federal regulations
21:44 <Genki> no idea, never been allowed near a voting place
21:44 <Genki> other than school, but I wasn't allowed in the building lol
21:44 <Lucifer_arma> well, the main thing is that you'll feel silly the first time, and you've got to just accept that you'll feel silly at first and just do it.
21:45 <Genki> I'm just afraid I'll screw something up
21:45 <Lucifer_arma> and it's easier to come up with excuses not to vote than it is to go down and just fill in bubbles hoping you picked the right guy
21:45 <Lucifer_arma> just ask yourself, "How badly is the guy that wins going to screw this up compared to me?"  :)
21:45 <Genki> I like filling in bubbles
21:45 <Genki> hahaha
21:46 <Genki> good advice
21:46 <Lucifer_arma> my last ballot was bubbles, because my polling station prefers that.  My college uses touchscreens, though.
21:46 <Genki> those are fun too :-D
21:46 <Genki> and these smileys suck lol
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> until I can get the source to those machines so I can verify my vote is being tallied properly, I'm going to insist on a paper ballot
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> (that's open source software, in case you were wondering.  You get the source code with it)
21:47 <Genki> yeah I heard that the machines were in question because nobody knows exactly how it's accurate
21:47 <Genki> except for the makers
21:48 <Lucifer_arma> who contributed to the republican party but not the democratic party
21:48 <Genki> hey how come your parenthesises work?
21:48 <Lucifer_arma> ummmm.......they just do?  How come yours don't?
21:48 <Genki> only the end one does
21:48 <Genki> )
21:49 <Genki> the other one blanks out whatever I'm typing lol
21:49 <Genki> I think my keys are screwed up
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21:49 <Genki> nope, it works everywhere else
21:50 <Genki> oh well, anyways: what are those punch hole ones??
21:50 <Genki> the ballots I saw had punch holes..
21:51 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, never voted with one of those
21:51 <Lucifer_arma> I'm still new to voting anyway.  :)  Didn't see a point until I took a government class a couple semesters ago
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21:53 <Lucifer_arma>  /dev/sda1             280G   48G  232G
21:53 <Lucifer_arma> er, that's Size Used Avail
21:55 <Genki> sry was doing laundry
21:55  * Lucifer_arma needs to wash his bandanas
21:56 <Genki> what happened in government class?
21:56 <Lucifer_arma> I learned stuff?
21:56 <Genki> like?
21:56 <Lucifer_arma> we talked about how the national parties form their platforms and pick their leaders, and it all starts at the local level
21:56 <Lucifer_arma> so if you want to make a change, you have to make it at the local level
21:57 <Lucifer_arma> since it was a texas government class, we focused on texas politics
21:57 <Genki> oh
21:57 <Genki> so basically stuff you just told me?
21:58 <Lucifer_arma> yep :)
21:58 <Lucifer_arma> but in much more detail than I'm ever going to go in in an irc channel
21:58 <Genki> good to know
21:58 <Lucifer_arma> yay, my laptop is backing up again
21:58 <Genki> what do elves use to make sandwiches?
21:58 <Lucifer_arma> now if I can just figure out how to get this thing to backup the server....
21:58 <Genki> boo, my laptop won't let me play tron or get to certain websites
21:59 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, I always thought elves were sandwich ingredients
21:59 <Genki> you have a server?
21:59 <Lucifer_arma> yeah....
21:59 <Genki> elves use shortbread
21:59 <Genki> what's it called?
21:59 <Lucifer_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/  <--- this one
22:00 <Genki> you... did that?
22:00 <Lucifer_arma> ummmm, not sure how to answer that.  That's the Armagetron Advanced wiki, which runs on my server.  :)
22:00 <Lucifer_arma> there's more, my personal website is up there, one of the master servers for this game (which reminds me, I need to update it while I"m thinking about it)
22:01 <Genki> personal website link
22:01 <Genki> ?
22:01 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/
22:01 <Genki> o
22:02 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think there's a picture of me up there right now, sorry :)
22:02 <Genki> lol
22:02 <Genki> I've already seen you no worries
22:02 <Genki> was just curious
22:02 <Genki> and I've got... 30 minutes to kill lol
22:03 <Genki> hopefully my mom comes home soon and I can play some tron...
22:03 <Genki> do you play often?
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22:04 <Lucifer_arma> not really anymore
22:04 <Lucifer_arma> er, you talking about playing arma, right?
22:04 <Genki> right lol
22:04 <Genki> when you do play what kind do you play?
22:04 <Genki> like.. classic..
22:04 <Genki> fortress.
22:05 <Genki> sumo...
22:05 <Lucifer_arma> fortress/ctf mostly
22:05 <Genki> and you play under the nick Lucifer or Lucifer_arma?
22:06 <Lucifer_arma> Lucifer
22:06 <Lucifer_arma> not Luzifer or ady(ot)Lucifer
22:06 <Genki> yeah I figured that out after a lot of questioning lol
22:07 <Genki> thankfully Luzifer knew who I was talking about
22:07 <Lucifer_arma> ady doesn't want to acknowledge I exist since I always talk trash to him, heh
22:07 <Genki> lol
22:07 <Lucifer_arma> see, when he first showed up, people thought he was me (I wasn't playing much because I had a lot of tests going on)
22:08 <Lucifer_arma> and he's a smeghead, so he pissed a bunch of people off until he was a kick-on-sight person
22:08 <Lucifer_arma> then I came back in to play and started getting polled and kicked because people thought I was him
22:08 <Lucifer_arma> I've been holding it against him ever since
22:08 <Lucifer_arma> he tries to pretend he never did anything like that
22:08 <Genki> xD
22:09 <Lucifer_arma> Luzifer's a cool guy that just had a name collision and dealt with it
22:09 <Genki> yeah he's cool, only see him in sumo
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> every now and then I get accused of being luke-jr
22:10 <Genki> hahaha
22:11 <GodTodd> you, you, you luke-jr
22:11 <Lucifer_arma> man, I even ran into some crackpot who thought I was zman in disguise
22:11 <Lucifer_arma> I need to get my random namepicker working again
22:11 <Lucifer_arma> and working in windows
22:12 <GodTodd> heh
22:12 <Genki> I need to get Mister Sir Mspaint Todd Man to play, that way I can feel better about sucking at tron
22:14 <Genki> and I need a new alias
22:14 <Genki> Newt was discovered, Luci I could use your random name generator
22:14 <Lucifer_arma> right now only in linux
22:15 <Lucifer_arma> and the primary purpose of it isn't to generate random names, it's to allow a small group of people to pick names from the same pool :)
22:15 <Lucifer_arma> you're not anonymous if people can call you out by the name generator either, but you are if several people use the same names
22:16 <Genki> heh
22:17 <Genki> oh well I was thinking of using ddotdog, because of Mister Sir Mspaint Todd Man, but I dunno
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> my server is running slower than molasses
22:19 <Genki> I'm... sorry?
22:21 <Genki> uh oh g2g
22:21 <Genki> bye bye!
22:21 <GodTodd> ddotdog?
22:21 <GodTodd> oh
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22:21 <GodTodd> duh
22:23 <GodTodd> does linux still have vi?
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> duhhhh
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> yes?
22:24 <GodTodd> ok...cuz karen was surprised by that
22:24 <GodTodd> heh
22:25 <Lucifer_arma> some distributions surprisingly don't install it by default
22:25 <Lucifer_arma> she never used vi before?
22:25 <Lucifer_arma> I think vue on the alpha micro was based on vi :)
22:26 <GodTodd> she used vi on unix
22:26 <GodTodd> she was surprised it's still around, i think
22:26 <Lucifer_arma> ah
22:26 <Lucifer_arma> see, some folks took it and made vim, which is a new and improved vi
22:26 <Lucifer_arma> the old vi isn't really around anymore, there's a new open source vim that's better
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> vi comes in msys and cygwin both, so you can use it in windows too
22:27 <GodTodd> ahhh
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> just try to keep in mind, vi was designed to be used in a terminal, so unless you're really whack, you'll be most satisfied using it from a terminal :)
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> I use a regular gui-like text editor, but I use vi when I'm in a terminal, like when I'm ssh'd into my server
22:29 <GodTodd> oh...i know vi...i'd be rusty but i've used it quite a bit
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> I was totally blown away with how much I'd forgotten about vi
22:30 <GodTodd> i don't really have experience with "pretty linux"...i've mostly used commandline when i have
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> about the only thing I remembered was the habit of using it to edit a text file :)
22:30 <GodTodd> heh
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> I also remember ed, and the sadistic redhat 7.2 installed an ed clone
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> I was sooo lost, heh
22:35 <luke-jr> GodTodd: vi is still the most popular/powerful text editor today, in the form of vim
22:35 <GodTodd> my question was already answered, kthxbye
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22:36 <Lucifer_arma> ?
22:37 <GodTodd> ??
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> [15:35] <GodTodd> my question was already answered, kthxbye
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> oh wait, did luke chime in?
22:37 <GodTodd> oh...that's right...you probably have luke ignored
22:37 <GodTodd> heh
22:37 <GodTodd> luke-jr> GodTodd: vi is still the most popular/powerful text editor today, in the form of vim
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> he hasn't used Dave's STupid Text Editor then
22:38 <guru3> i want a text editor that does the writing for me
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> google!
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, guru3, you can still /msg me, just because I'm not in this channel doesn't mean you can't reach me here.  :)
22:39  * Lucifer_arma just remembered why he doesn't want to be here anymore
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22:39 <guru3> ah
22:39 <guru3> ok
22:39 <DrJoeTron> ho hum
22:40 <GodTodd> hummer from a ho
22:40 <DrJoeTron> check it
22:40 <GodTodd> check what?
22:40 <GodTodd> did you bring a coat?
22:41 <DrJoeTron> nah
22:41 <DrJoeTron> my pants
22:41 <DrJoeTron> I wont be needing them :d
22:41 <GodTodd> nope, you won't ;)
22:42  * GodTodd wags his eyebrows.
22:42 <DrJoeTron> :3
22:43 <DrJoeTron> Ive never seen durka type full words
22:43 <DrJoeTron> untill that post
22:43 <guru3> i don't want to hear about people's pants
22:43 <DrJoeTron> The People's Pants!
22:44 <guru3> nor do i want to hear about you being on a roll paper wise but then having trouble grasping the paper
22:46 <DrJoeTron> jesus, do I need to name drop sa 
22:46 <DrJoeTron> "my sites bigger dan fmods lol"
22:49  * GodTodd drops joe's name.
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22:57 <DrJoeTron> so many people name drop me in shrunkland its gross
22:58 <GodTodd> then there's DrJoeTron...man that frood really knows where his towel is
23:01 <spidey> that DrJoeTron guy??
23:01 <spidey> man he's pathetic!
23:02 <spidey> we should banish him from tron
23:02 <GodTodd> yeah...him and that spidey asshole
23:02 <spidey> omg
23:02 <spidey> don't get me started on that spidey guy
23:11 <luke-jr> spidey: btw
23:11 <luke-jr> you are R.I.P.
23:12 <spidey> so?
23:12 <luke-jr> :p
23:12 <spidey> like i said, if i play again people AREN'T taking ai's
23:12 <spidey> they play if they're there before
23:12 <spidey> that always happens when someone takes a ai
23:12 <spidey> and it's annoying
23:13 <luke-jr> lol
23:13 <luke-jr> now here's the crazy thing
23:13 <luke-jr> Greg left last night and I didn't AI him
23:14 <luke-jr> and he survived till when I got up this morning
23:14 <luke-jr> until I put him in AI mode, then he died
23:14 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-216-182-238.client.mchsi.com] has joined #Armagetron
23:15 <ghableska> #weather 50266
23:15 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 16.3°F (4:11 PM CST on February 10, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: -4.0°F. Windchill: 10.4°F. Pressure: 29.30 in 992.1 hPa. 
23:16 <luke-jr> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 163.0°F (4:11 PM CST on February 12, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 0%. Dew Point: -4.0°F. Windchill: 10.4°F. Pressure: 293.0 in 992.1 hPa.
23:17 <ghableska> -_-
23:18 <luke-jr> spidey: if you want to rejoin, stee's AI is having some difficulty
23:18 -!- Lackadaisical [n=lack@ip202-29-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #armagetron
23:38 <spidey> luke-jr, 
23:39 <ghableska> luke-jr,
23:39 <spidey> ghableska, 
23:39 <ghableska> ghableska,
23:40 <luke-jr> ...
23:41 <ghableska> #weather luke-jr
23:41 <armabot> ghableska: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "luke-jr".
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