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Log from 2007-02-05:
--- Day changed Mon Feb 05 2007
00:01 <_Sticky_> wrtlprnft: still here??
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00:10 <wrtlprnft> yeah
00:11 <_Sticky_> err looks like i may have sorted it now
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00:25 <spidey> #g 256*256*256
00:25 <armabot> spidey: 256 * 256 * 256 = 16,777,216
00:26 <spidey> rofl!!
00:26 <spidey> wrtlprnft, 
00:26 <spidey> micro banned me from mbc
00:26 <spidey> just after ota was on fa site >.<, and i've did nothing wrong to be banned
00:27  * spidey changes ip
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00:32 <spidey_> ... i think i just broke my router o.O
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00:35 <spidey_> ahah
00:35 <spidey_> that's no accident
00:35 <spidey_> micro banned every range i've ever used on mbc....>.<
00:45 <wrtlprnft> o_O
00:45 <wrtlprnft> good idea.
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01:08 <spidey_> wrtlprnft, maybe, but my dsl has just as many ranges
01:08  * spidey_ points to mbc :D
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02:11 <ghableska> #weather 50266
02:11 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is -1.8°F (7:07 PM CST on February 04, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -14.8°F. Windchill: -13.0°F. Pressure: 29.49 in 998.5 hPa. 
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03:07 <ghableska> #armaservers
03:08 <armabot> ghableska: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (10 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (8 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (6 players) || {Delicious Desserts} Custom Map & Server Changes (6 players) || Strawberry Fields (6 players) || Norm's Place (6 players) || |FA| Clan Server (5 players) || Wild West =Capture The Flag= (5 players) || -=}ID< Immortal Dynasty Server (5 players) || (1 more message)
03:08 <ghableska> #more
03:08 <armabot> ghableska: LoBo'S ~|SrT< clan server (4 players) || {$C} Clan [ Supernova Clan ] (4 players) || Wild West =Sumo= (3 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Dogfight (3 players) || The Lobster Cage (1 players) || The Dip Bowl - (Master's Tournament: Only TSC Members Allowed!) (1 players)
03:21 <ghableska> #weather Hell
03:24 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in M36 & Pettysville rd, Pinckney, Michigan is -1.1°F (9:14 PM EST on February 04, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: -11.2°F. Windchill: -14.8°F. Pressure: 30.29 in 1025.6 hPa.  Wind Chill Advisory in effect until around noon EST Monday... 
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04:07 <DrJoeTron> Rex Grossmen Sucks balls
04:08 <ghableska> who?
04:08 <DrJoeTron> Bears quarter back
04:08 <ghableska> is it over?
04:12 <DrJoeTron> yeah :/
04:12 <DrJoeTron> beas lose
04:12 <ghableska> by a lot?
04:12 <DrJoeTron> at the end
04:12 <ghableska> oh
04:12 <DrJoeTron> grossmen throws 2 touch downs to the colts
04:12 <ghableska> :o
04:12 <DrJoeTron> yeah
04:13 <ghableska> any wardrobe malfunctions?
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04:47 <DrJoeTron> hey Your_mom_arma, did you know that rex grossmen sucks? :)
04:47 <DrJoeTron> nah there wasnt
04:47 <DrJoeTron> there was a half time malfunction though
04:47 <DrJoeTron> because they let prince on stage
04:48 <ghableska> heh
04:48 <ghableska> #night
04:48 <armabot> Good night ghableska!
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04:48 <Your_mom_arma> haha
04:49 <DrJoeTron> #serverdetails
04:49 <armabot> DrJoeTron: Usage: #serverdetails [-v] {name}
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04:49 <DrJoeTron> #severdetails lobster
04:49 <DrJoeTron> fuck
04:49 <Durka> #hello
04:49 <Durka> hi joe
04:49 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: Exercise caution in your daily affairs.
04:50 <DrJoeTron> #serverdetails  lobster
04:50 <armabot> DrJoeTron: The Lobster Cage: Players (4/7): Dr Joe Tron, eneska, Hitler, Lighting
04:50 <DrJoeTron> hi
04:50 <Durka> #armaservers
04:50 <armabot> Durka: Wild West =Capture The Flag= (9 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (9 players) || LoBo'S ~|SrT< clan server (7 players) || The Lobster Cage (6 players) || Stormcrow's Tower (5 players) || Norm's Place (4 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (3 players) || MicroBusCity.com (2 players) || Sigma Clan Server (1 players) || Big Bud Den (1 players) || Super Duck Hyphy N a n o (1 more message)
04:51 <DrJoeTron> fuck my server
04:52 <DrJoeTron> it's fucking cold
04:52 <DrJoeTron> #cnn 60026
04:52 <armabot> DrJoeTron: The current temperature in Northbrook, IL is -3.0°F. Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Wind: NW at 9 mph (14 km/h).
04:52 <DrJoeTron> woops
04:52 <DrJoeTron> #cnn 60016
04:52 <armabot> DrJoeTron: The current temperature in Des Plaines, IL is -3.0°F. Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Wind: W at 13 mph (21 km/h).
04:52 <DrJoeTron> :D
04:53 <Durka> not cold here
04:53 <Durka> #weather 90049
04:54 <armabot> Durka: The current temperature in Santa Monica, California is 60.8°F (7:51 PM PST on February 04, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 48.2°F. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa. 
04:55 <Durka> :)
05:39 <Durka> luke-jr: ping
05:39 <Durka> luke-jr_work: ping
05:40 <Durka> luke-jr_clone: ping
05:40 <Durka> luke-jr_slave: ping
05:40 <Durka> luke-jr_mom: ping
05:40 <Durka> luke-sr: ping
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05:40 <Durka> luke-sr_work: ping
05:40 <Durka> luke-sr_clone: ping
05:40 <rickyross> hey
05:40 <rickyross> luke
05:40 <Durka> luke-sr_slave: ping
05:40 <rickyross> why does it cost 40 bucks more
05:40 <rickyross> your site advertises it as 16 bucks per server
05:41 <Durka> luke-sr_mom: ping
05:41 <rickyross> :)
05:42 <rickyross> LUKE"SMOM-PING
05:42 <rickyross> lawl
05:42 <rickyross> luke-jr
05:42 <Durka> #last --from luke-jr
05:42 <armabot> Durka: [20:42:57] <luke-jr> lamer
05:42 <Durka> #time
05:42 <armabot> Durka: 05:51 AM, February 05, 2007
05:42 <Durka> #last --from luke-jr --nolimit
05:42 <armabot> Durka: [20:42:57] <luke-jr> lamer, [20:42:17] <luke-jr> foo, [20:42:16] <luke-jr> /j #arma-ladle, [20:39:34] <luke-jr> cuz ur lame, [20:39:03] <luke-jr> wtf is subz, [20:38:13] <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: I didn't ask you ! :p, [20:36:55] <luke-jr> plz, [20:36:54] <luke-jr> ping -c 4 lightfoot-ca.dashjr.org, [20:36:22] <luke-jr> Durka: Durka Durka, [20:17:01] <luke-jr> SPAWN_WRAP 0 sounds dumb :), (7 more messages)
05:43 <Durka> #more
05:43 <armabot> Durka: [20:16:42] <luke-jr> o, [20:16:16] <luke-jr> #armaconfig SPAWN_WRAP, [20:08:24] <luke-jr> :p, [20:02:33] <luke-jr> 3D rendering is part of cockpit, [20:01:24] <luke-jr> viewport = cockpit container :p, [20:01:13] <luke-jr> not with the new design I proposed ! ;P, [20:00:15] <luke-jr> hm?, [19:58:05] <luke-jr> or "viewport 1 is the entirety of monitor 1, expanding across the width of monitor (6 more messages)
05:43 <Durka> #last --from luke-jr_work --nolimit
05:43 <armabot> Durka: [19:39:30] <luke-jr_work> ya and [19:38:29] <luke-jr_work> #realchatlogs
05:43 <rickyross> #more
05:43 <armabot> rickyross: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more.  To do so, call this command with that person's nick.
05:43 <rickyross> #more
05:43 <armabot> rickyross: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more.  To do so, call this command with that person's nick.
05:43 <rickyross> i want more
05:43 <rickyross> more mre omremore
05:43 <Durka> ok ricky look at this
05:43 <rickyross> lawl
05:43 <Durka> #more
05:43 <armabot> Durka: 2; draw overflow regions", [19:57:06] <luke-jr> replace it with something that understands "viewport 1 is this part of monitor 1; viewport 2 is this other part of monitor 1; viewport 3 is top half of monitor 2; 4 is bottom half; view 1 shows cockpit X for player 1; 2, ck Y for 1; 3, ck X for 2; 4, ck Y for 2", [19:55:32] <luke-jr> we need to revamp the whole splitscreen code, [19:55:23] (5 more messages)
05:43 <Durka> hmmm wtl
05:44 <Durka> #realchatlogs
05:44 <armabot> Durka: http://master3.armagetronad.net/armalogs/
05:45 <rickyross> durka
05:45 <rickyross> did u tell legit what i told u to say
05:45 <Durka> ya lol
05:53 <Durka> stay here rickyross
05:53 <Durka> wait till luke gets his lazzy ass over here :P
05:54 <Durka> #kill rickyross
05:54 <armabot> rickyross will die on Tue Oct  6 10:15:27 1981.
06:05 <rickyross> hi
06:05 <rickyross> i'm waitnig for luke to "get his lazzy ass over here"
06:10 <rickyross> #more
06:10 <rickyross> nub
06:10 <rickyross> cakes
06:10 <armabot> rickyross: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more.  To do so, call this command with that person's nick.
06:10 <rickyross> #more nub cakes
06:10 <armabot> rickyross: Error: I haven't seen nub.
06:10 <rickyross> durka will die on #randomdate
06:11 <rickyross> #say hi
06:11 <Durka> its $randomDate
06:11 <rickyross> ok stfu pl
06:11 <rickyross> lawlwl
06:11 <Durka> its $echo
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06:14 <mkzelda> Durka: where u is
06:15 <Durka> ww fort
06:15 <Durka> but lets go to ww sumo
06:15 <Durka> ww sumo ftw!
06:15 <mkzelda> ive been there
06:15 <Durka> lol
06:30 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma ok I'm back in
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06:44 <epsy> monin'
06:44 <epsy> hrhr
06:44 <epsy> *mornin'
06:54 <epsy> #morning
06:54 <armabot> Good Morning epsy Random Fortune: ... Linux und seine Programme sind damit || so etwas wie ein real existierender Sozialismus der besseren Art... || -- Christian Seel in der Berliner Morgenpost v. 9.3.1997
06:57 <Durka> hi epsy
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06:59 <Your_mom_arma> hmmm....
06:59 <Your_mom_arma> lobster cage isnt on my master server list
07:02 <Your_mom_arma> #m Durka truthfully, im not sure.
07:02 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: The operation succeeded.
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07:41 <epsy> z-man-asleep, morning,
07:41 <epsy> on the forums, in your profile, "Location: Cologne"
07:42 <epsy> you also speak french?
07:55 <epsy> k you're still sleeping hrhr
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08:20 -!- Irssi: #armagetron: Total of 15 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal]
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08:21 <epsy> k i see
08:22 <wrtlprnft> how can z-man be z-man-asleep and z-man-work at the same time? :D
08:27 <spidey__> z-man-work = /away
08:27 <spidey__> :P
08:30 <epsy> hmm...
08:31 <epsy> Hold the flag as more as possible so your team earn points
08:31 <epsy> is that a good description for the htf gameplay?
08:34 <wrtlprnft> i suggest you use “as long as possible” or “as much as possible”
08:34 <wrtlprnft> as more as possible is … weird …
08:35  * epsy slaps xchat
08:35 <wrtlprnft> ?
08:35 <epsy> i cant see correctly the « »
08:36 <epsy> Hold the flag as munch as possible...to earn points...
08:36 <epsy> hmm
08:36 <spidey__> it's not xchat,it's the char encoding :P
08:36 <wrtlprnft> well, they're “english quotes”, not «french quotes» or „german quotes“
08:37 <epsy> that's missing the team
08:37 <epsy> spidey__, yeah but it's xchat that cant handle correctly the encoding...
08:37 <spidey__> nope
08:37 <spidey__> press ctrl+s
08:37 <spidey__> select "freenode" then check edit mode
08:38 <spidey__> character set: put it to UTF-8 t
08:38 <spidey__> then restart it
08:38 <spidey__> check autoconnect at startup, if you want
08:39 <epsy> 'system default' is supposed to be utf-8 by me..
08:39 <epsy> hmm
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08:40 <epsy> hmm
08:41 <wrtlprnft> mmh
08:42 <epsy> i tceles emos slennahc ot noij yllamotua...
08:42 <epsy> and xchat joins only the first
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08:44 <epsy_> err
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08:44 <spidey__> yay for pos routers >.<
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08:57 <epsy> k i also made a help_message :)
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09:03 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r7109 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/ (8 files in 3 dirs):
09:03 <armabot> armagetronad: cCockpit isn't a singleton anymore, yay!
09:03 <armabot> armagetronad: There's now one cockpit for the rootwindow, one cockpit for every ePlayer that has a viewport, and one cockpit for all gCycles. This should make gauges with "memory" possible, like graph gauges.
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15:00 <armabot> You rock my world!
16:19 <[NP]Tangent> how sweet.
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16:38 <madmax|pt> hello
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16:42 <madmax|pt> guru3: graphire 4 is nice :D
16:42 <guru3> ill stick with my intuous
16:42 <guru3> -u
16:44 <luke-jr_work> ...
16:55 <guru3> OS: Linux 2.6.11-gentoo-r4/i686 - CPU: 4 x Intel(R) Xeon(TM) (2399.979 MHz) - Processes: 329 - Uptime: 96d 7h 48m - Load Average: 2.37 - Memory Usage: 643.04MB/2025.51MB (31.75%)
16:55 <guru3> sorry had to check how much ram i had
16:57 <luke-jr_work> ...
17:22 <luke-jr_work> btw, I have a new demo server up :p
17:22 <luke-jr_work> #serverinfo open ad
17:22 <armabot> luke-jr_work: Open Admin (This could be your server!): No online players.
17:25 <wrtlprnft> #serverdetails -v open admin
17:25 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Open Admin (This could be your server!) (69.61.78.150:4534) running 0.3.0_alpha6514 unix dedicated, Description: “Cheap Armagetron hosting on a real server: http://lightfoot.dashjr.org“, No online players.
17:38 <luke-jr_work> O.o
17:50 <z-man-work> MWAHAHA! I hijacked it :)
17:50 <z-man-work>  /admin ADMIN_PASS <secret>
17:51 <wrtlprnft> hehe
17:51 <wrtlprnft> add DEDICATED_IDLE 0 to that
17:51 <z-man-work> good idea
17:58 <luke-jr_work> :o
17:59 <luke-jr_work> so much for that :D
17:59 <z-man-work> hey!
17:59 <luke-jr_work> lol
17:59 <luke-jr_work> now, leave DEDICATED_IDLE alone :p
17:59 <epsy> lol
17:59 <z-man-work> I didn't touch it :)
18:00 <z-man-work> you may want to put some stuff in everytime.cfg.
18:00 <luke-jr_work> good idea
18:00 <z-man-work> Then I'll reduce the settings so much that each round lasts 10^32 years and set the AIs to battle it out :)
18:01 <luke-jr_work> -.-
18:02 <epsy> luke-jr_work, ln -s settings_custom.cfg everytime.cfg
18:02 <epsy> lol
18:02 <epsy> this is what i do on my servers
18:02 <luke-jr_work> there is no settings_custom :p
18:03 <epsy> or whatever it's called
18:03 <luke-jr_work> echo 'include server_info.cfg' >everytime.cfg
18:03 <epsy> lol
18:03  * epsy forgots about using server_info.cfg
18:03 <luke-jr_work> :p
18:05 <z-man-work> luke-jr_work: I just tested it. You can't DOS a server with my last descritpion. It will restart once the humans have left.
18:06 <wrtlprnft> let me make a HUGE map and DOS the server with it :)
18:07 <z-man-work> Set up a server that hosts the map, but reallly slowly.
18:07 <z-man-work> and make the map infinite :)
18:08 <epsy> then put a fortress on
18:08 <wrtlprnft> infinite would be an idea
18:08 <epsy> and set fortress_max_per_team -1
18:08 <epsy> hrhr
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18:08 <z-man-work> why? Downloading it would take a loooong time. You don't have to worry about the parser :)
18:09 <epsy> jukejr got hijacked one more time
18:09 <epsy> lol
18:09 <epsy> z-man-work, there is a res repo here hehe
18:09 <epsy> wait i open vnc
18:10 <wrtlprnft> not infinite, but dd if=/dev/urandom of=~/public_html/map.xml will do
18:10 <wrtlprnft> just have it run for a couple of 100 MiB
18:11 <z-man-work> Well, if you make the webserver load directly from /dev/random, you'll also clog his HD :)
18:11 <z-man-work> and your network, but that's worth it.
18:11  * wrtlprnft wonders if ln -s /dev/urandom ~/public_html/map.xml would work
18:12 <wrtlprnft> or maybe hardlink it?
18:12 <wrtlprnft> can you hardlink device files?
18:12 <epsy> conceptually not
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18:30 <wrtlprnft> [3] Z-Man: darn, SILENCE_ALL does not work serverside :(
18:30 <wrtlprnft> lol
18:31 <wrtlprnft> but SPAM_MAXLEN 0 does
18:31 <luke-jr|work> O.o?
18:31  * luke-jr|work ponders removing a few more config options from that server
18:36 <wrtlprnft> apparently /dev/urandom isn't dual core optimized :s
18:36 <z-man-work> SPAM_MAXLEN 0 also conveniently disables the remote admin access :)
18:37 <wrtlprnft> heh
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18:42 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r7110 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/cockpit/cCockpit.cpp: removed debug messages (again)
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20:15 <kamp> hey
20:15 <kamp> knock knock
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21:19 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
21:19 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Custer & Pleasant Valley, Plano, Texas is 60.1°F (2:19 PM CST on February 05, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 39.2°F. Pressure: 30.34 in 1027.3 hPa. 
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22:12 <|Sticky|> #serverinfo cafe
22:12 <armabot> |Sticky|: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “cafe” at the moment, sorry.
22:12 <Vanhayes> #serverdetails fortress cafe
22:12 <armabot> Vanhayes: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “fortress cafe” at the moment, sorry.
22:12 <Vanhayes> #serverdetails fortress c
22:12 <armabot> Vanhayes: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “fortress c” at the moment, sorry.
22:12 <Vanhayes> lame
22:12 <|Sticky|> thought so
22:12 <|Sticky|> think its gone down
22:13 <Vanhayes> nah, I was in it
22:13 <wrtlprnft> #serverdetails ess caf
22:13 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Fortress Café: Players (6/32): CT~Voodoo, Ðúrkå	¦Ö¦$µbze, Legionnaire, Player 1, ~*SP*~Sasha, ~*SP*~wHaTuP
22:13 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:13 <Vanhayes> they are all gone now tho
22:13 <Vanhayes> #serverdetails ess caf
22:13 <|Sticky|> hmm everyone got kicked out about 2 minago
22:13 <armabot> Vanhayes: Fortress Café: No online players.
22:13 <Vanhayes> everyone went to sumo too
22:14 <Vanhayes> #serverdetails sumo
22:14 <armabot> Vanhayes: °¯ps Arena  ~~~ Team Sumo ~~~: Players (12/12): Bjalne, CT|play, CT~Voodoo, mescalin, SuBlImInAl.FreQ, Xell -*SP*-, |TEÇHNØ,-F®DÅJ|, ~*SP*~wHaTuP, ¦Ö¦$µbzero, ¦Ö¦FoFo, ¦×¥ Infamous, °°qain
22:14 <wrtlprnft> i don't know what's the cause for this
22:14 <|Sticky|> must have been very good timing since about 4 quit symultaniously
22:15 <Vanhayes> ya, quite a few said they were goin to sumo, and within 5 minutes no one was left in
22:15 <wrtlprnft> that happens once in a while
22:15 <|Sticky|> duno cos i got knocked off without intending to
22:16 <Vanhayes> ya, ive seen that happen too, where over half the players got kicked off
22:18 <wrtlprnft> no clue why
22:18 <luke-jr|work> that's why you should host w/ me! :D
22:18 <luke-jr|work> :)
22:18 <|Sticky|> which servers  do you host??
22:19 <wrtlprnft> the ones that lag
22:19 <luke-jr|work> bs
22:19 <luke-jr|work> #serverdetails fa
22:19 <armabot> luke-jr|work: [ninja factory] @ LBX: No online players.
22:19 <luke-jr|work> #serverdetails 2020
22:19 <armabot> luke-jr|work: 2020 team challenge: No online players.
22:19 <luke-jr|work> #serverdetails "FA Clan"
22:19 <armabot> luke-jr|work: [ninja factory] @ LBX: No online players.
22:19 <Vanhayes> the ones no one goes to i guess
22:19 <luke-jr|work> um
22:19 <luke-jr|work> wrtlprnft: what's w/ the matching?
22:19 <|Sticky|> 2020's is ok
22:19 <luke-jr|work> #serverdetails Hyphy
22:19 <armabot> luke-jr|work: Super  Duck Hyphy N a n o Fortress!!: No online players.
22:19 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr|work: don't use quotes
22:20 <luke-jr|work> #serverdetails FA clan
22:20 <armabot> luke-jr|work: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “fa clan” at the moment, sorry.
22:20 <luke-jr|work> lame
22:20 <luke-jr|work> poj
22:20 <luke-jr|work> anyway, FA Clan, 2020, and Hyphy thing
22:20 <Vanhayes> is ricky ross hyphy?
22:21 <Vanhayes> that guy who always comes in here yells your name and leaves less than 5 minutes later
22:21 <luke-jr|work> dunno
22:21 <luke-jr|work> he owns it
22:21 <luke-jr|work> 2020's is Germany; FA and Hyphy are California
22:23 <luke-jr|work> Hyphy used to be Georgia
22:23 <|Sticky|> peer to peer games would sort of change the central games thing.  maby not a good idea
22:24 <luke-jr|work> O.o
22:24 <luke-jr|work> wtf?
22:25 <|Sticky|> ?
22:25 <DrJoeTron> hyphy is some little rich kid
22:25 <DrJoeTron> I take that back
22:25 <madmax|pt> are there any good alternatives to inkscape?
22:26 <DrJoeTron> he's a wannabe- rich kid
22:26 <wrtlprnft> what's wrong with inkscape?
22:26 <|Sticky|> whats inkscape
22:26 <DrJoeTron> he totes his giant ass fancy computers
22:26 <wrtlprnft> obviously there would be sodipodi
22:26 <DrJoeTron> yet he plays this game :V
22:26 <madmax|pt> i have to run it in x11 on os x
22:26 <luke-jr|work> DrJoeTron: ...
22:26 <wrtlprnft> umm, freehand?
22:26 <madmax|pt> free/open :P
22:26 <wrtlprnft> i don't think so
22:27 <madmax|pt> I guess i'll have to "buy" illustrator :X 
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22:27 <|Sticky|> heh hope you ave a few $$$$$$ spare
22:27 <madmax|pt> or maybe i should ask a license from hyphy
22:28 <luke-jr|work> lol
22:28 <luke-jr|work> just run X :p
22:29 <|Sticky|> dosent inkscape work on the mac??
22:29 <madmax|pt> it does, but on X11
22:29 <madmax|pt> not a big problem
22:29 <|Sticky|> whats wrong with x11
22:29 <luke-jr|work> X11 pwns
22:29 <[dlh]> um, X11 sucks.
22:29 <wrtlprnft> inkscape pwns
22:30 <|Sticky|> you fancy mac people with your GUI's...user friendlyness is for wimps
22:30 <madmax|pt> lol
22:30 <luke-jr|work> X11 pwns Aqua or Cocoa or whatever
22:30 <madmax|pt> heh don't start
22:30 <luke-jr|work> Apple's stupid
22:30 <|Sticky|> not realy x11 aint great
22:31 <|Sticky|> x11 + xgl however
22:31 <luke-jr|work> they abandoned PPC for x86
22:31 <luke-jr|work> um
22:31 <luke-jr|work> Xgl is obsolete
22:31 <|Sticky|> beryl then
22:31 <luke-jr|work> X.org 7.1 includes AIGLX
22:32 <|Sticky|> altho beryl dosent like my gfx card that much
22:32 <luke-jr|work> well maybe you shoulda got a better gfx card
22:32 <luke-jr|work> like a Radeon X850!
22:32 <luke-jr|work> or Intel 9xx
22:33 <wrtlprnft> umm, at least kwin's aiglx features suck
22:33 <luke-jr|work> kwin has aiglx features?
22:33 <|Sticky|> i have both those
22:33 <wrtlprnft> the shadows are rectangular but my window decorations are not
22:33 <luke-jr|work> |Sticky|: those are the best you can get...
22:33 <luke-jr|work> wrtlprnft: shadows don't use AIGLX
22:33 <|Sticky|> the x850 on my desktop and intel on laptop
22:33 <luke-jr|work> usually
22:33 <luke-jr|work> shadows are Composite
22:34 <wrtlprnft> whatever
22:34 <luke-jr|work> I don't think KWin uses AIGLX at all
22:34 <luke-jr|work> you need Beryl+Aquamarine for that
22:34 <wrtlprnft> it can do shadows and transparent windows, anyways
22:34  * luke-jr|work bets AIGLX shadows would be correct
22:34 <|Sticky|> x850 best you can get??? its about 3 years old
22:35 <luke-jr|work> AIGLX isn't "shadows and transparent windows"
22:35 <luke-jr|work> |Sticky|: best you can get for *nix
22:35 <madmax|pt> xgl was good. it broke the "os x has too much eye candy" argument.
22:35 <luke-jr|work> madmax|pt: AIGLX obsoletes Xgl
22:35 <madmax|pt> "...was..."
22:35 <luke-jr|work> wrtlprnft: AIGLX is for OpenGL manipulations on the desktop environment
22:35 <|Sticky|> so how does beryl fit in with aiglx then??
22:37 <luke-jr|work> AIGLX is just an API; Beryl controls it
22:37 <luke-jr|work> Beryl plugins define actual effects
22:37 <|Sticky|> ahh
22:38 <|Sticky|> it is all still very buggy tho
22:38 <luke-jr|work> not really
22:38 <luke-jr|work> Aquamarine is the only part still very buggy
22:39 <|Sticky|> i certainly get a number of crashes and ive heard similar from others currently using it
22:39 <luke-jr|work> well, maybe because you're still using Xgl or something
22:39 <luke-jr|work> and old Beryl versions
22:39 <|Sticky|> heh
22:40 <luke-jr|work> hopefully not ATi's crap drivers too >_<
22:40 <|Sticky|> whatever is the latest in the ubuntu repos
22:40 <|Sticky|> yeah ati have some issues when it comes to linux
22:40 <|Sticky|> but all the gfx companies do
22:41 <|Sticky|> except intel now i hear
22:41 <wrtlprnft> intel has nice oss drivers
22:43 <|Sticky|> lol
22:43 <|Sticky|> as i speak i cant drag a window as beryl just has it stretch to the edge of the screen
22:44 <luke-jr|work> don't use ATi's trash and you should be fine :)
22:44 <luke-jr|work> trash=drivers
22:44 <|Sticky|> it appears to be because it will allow you to try to drag windows that are maximised
22:44 <|Sticky|> so it just contorts them
22:45 <luke-jr|work> ....
22:45 <|Sticky|> actualy thats kina useful for looking behind a maximised window
22:51 <luke-jr|work> yes
22:53 <madmax|pt> what are the chances of a usb modem catching fire with a 8 mbps connection?
22:54 <|Sticky|> depends if you set it on fire
22:54 <madmax|pt> So, i'm safe i guess.
22:54 <luke-jr|work> um
22:54 <luke-jr|work> what kind of modem?
22:54 <luke-jr|work> and why USB?
22:55 <madmax|pt> because my ISP likes to give out cheap modems i guess
22:55 <|Sticky|> ive herd of hubs/switches melting but thats with gbits of traffic
22:55 <madmax|pt> btw, there was a "new" Sticky around the other day
22:55 <luke-jr|work> you should complain
22:55 <wrtlprnft> how would .5A set anything on fire?
22:55 <|Sticky|> ohh
22:55 <luke-jr|work> USB sucks
22:55 <luke-jr|work> for bidirectional data transfer anyhow
22:56 <|Sticky|> usb is one of the most fantastic protocols to come around for ages
22:56 <luke-jr|work> ROFL
22:56 <luke-jr|work> what do you know of the USB protocol?
22:56 <luke-jr|work> I know it's request-based
22:56 <luke-jr|work> which alone makes it unsuitable for bidirectional data transfer
22:56 <|Sticky|> hay i use a crap load of specialist equipment that just dont need drivers down to the usb interface
22:57 <luke-jr|work> so?
22:57 <luke-jr|work> you need drivers
22:57 <luke-jr|work> just that they happen to have standardized drivers
22:57 <|Sticky|> the only thing i have had problems with is high speed machine vision cameras since...like you say, usb is slow
22:57 <luke-jr|work> nothing USB specific about that concept
22:57 <luke-jr|work> USB isn't slow
22:57 <|Sticky|> yeah it is
22:57 <luke-jr|work> it just slows down the CPU when it's used for the wrong stuff
22:58 <luke-jr|work> where "wrong stuff" is a very wide variety of common tasks, due to the poor design
22:58 <|Sticky|> when used for cameras compaired to stuff like 1394 its slow
22:58 <|Sticky|> dispite usb claiming higher throughput
22:58 <luke-jr|work> USB can do 400 mbps
23:00 <|Sticky|> i seem to remember the problem with usb is that it cant stream data like firewire can but i may be wrong there
23:01 <|Sticky|> think usb has to ack
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23:04 <|Sticky|> heh yeah looking at some firewire vs usb speed test and firewire coming up 30-70% faster dispite it is officialy 80mbps slower
23:04 <wrtlprnft> why can't we just stick to the good old parallel ports?
23:05 <|Sticky|> anyway who is this other sticky???
23:05 <wrtlprnft> #seen sticky
23:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: sticky was last seen in #armagetron 4 weeks, 1 day, 1 hour, 2 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <Sticky> #time
23:05 <wrtlprnft> #seen *sticky*
23:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: *sticky* could be |Sticky| (28 seconds ago), _Sticky_ (22 hours, 53 minutes, and 41 seconds ago), Sticky (4 weeks, 1 day, 1 hour, 2 minutes, and 27 seconds ago), Stickyer (4 weeks, 1 day, 2 hours, 28 minutes, and 44 seconds ago), or [TM]Sticky (9 weeks, 1 day, 1 hour, 7 minutes, and 44 seconds ago)
23:06 <|Sticky|> heh parallel ports are great...you can control the individual pin levels...very useful
23:06 <madmax|pt> a new player I think
23:06 <|Sticky|> #lastseen Sticky
23:06 <armabot> |Sticky|: ¦Ö¦Sticky has last been seen on Fortress Café 57 minutes ago.
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23:06 <madmax|pt> it was yesterday or something
23:06 <|Sticky|> anyway to change that match??
23:07 <madmax|pt> hm, yeah, can it match exactly?
23:07 <wrtlprnft> not right now, no
23:08 <|Sticky|> cant #more that??
23:08 <|Sticky|> #more
23:08 <armabot> |Sticky|: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more.  To do so, call this command with that person's nick.
23:08 <luke-jr|work> |Sticky|: USB can't do anything without the host OKing it
23:08 <luke-jr|work> |Sticky|: the host needs to poll devices
23:08 <madmax|pt> heh, nevermind, I told him there was a Sticky already :P maybe he'll peacefully change his name
23:08 <luke-jr|work> eg, your CPU is left saying "Got anything for me?" every few ms
23:09 <|Sticky|> yes i will admit the host client architecture is a pain
23:09 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen sticky
23:09 <|Sticky|> i am looking for some development electronics boards atm and finding ones with host on is a bitch
23:09 <armabot> wrtlprnft: ¦Ö¦Sticky has last been seen on Fortress Café 60 minutes ago.
23:09 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen -f sticky
23:10 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen -f sticky
23:10 <|Sticky|> there was another madmax at some point wasnt there??
23:10 <armabot> wrtlprnft: timed out
23:10 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sticky has last been seen on LoBo'S ~|SrT< clan server 0 days 22 hours 47 minutes ago.
23:10 <luke-jr|work> firewire in theory is much nicer than USB, but at least in Linux lacks in hotplugging reliability
23:11 <wrtlprnft> |Sticky|: there you go. use -f to match exact names
23:11 <|Sticky|> ahh thnx
23:11 <wrtlprnft> though it's pretty ugly parsing
23:12 <wrtlprnft> it only works if “-f ” is the first three chars
23:12 <|Sticky|> need to be able to run a grep from the armabot
23:12 <luke-jr|work> heh
23:13 <|Sticky|> last time i used firewire lib1394 and raw1394 they were ok...dont know if they could hot plug, never tried
23:14 <luke-jr|work> that's got nothing to do with hotplugging
23:15 <luke-jr|work> I'm talking about a real simple case, an external HD
23:15 <madmax|pt> |Sticky|: dunno. the only one i saw was some months ago.
23:16 <madmax|pt> perhaps a very long time ago it existed one :p
23:16 <|Sticky|> heh
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23:19 <|Sticky|> although one thing usb has is that most laptops have a powered usb port but only a 4 pin non powerd firewire
23:20 <luke-jr|work> my wife's laptop has a powered firewire :o
23:20 <luke-jr|work> full sized
23:20 <|Sticky|> mac??
23:22 <|Sticky|> 1394b will be SWEET tho
23:22 <luke-jr|work> iBook
23:23 <luke-jr|work> running Gentoo
23:23 <|Sticky|> yeah apple are pushing the whole 1394 stuff.  didnt they develop it??
23:23 <madmax|pt> yes
23:23 <madmax|pt> i think so
23:25 <luke-jr|work> dunno, hardware in general seems to get suckier and suckier
23:25 <|Sticky|> i recon ill be the first to create the gigiabit ethernet memory stick
23:25 <luke-jr|work> um
23:25 <luke-jr|work> that makes no sense fyi
23:25 <|Sticky|> heh i know
23:25 <luke-jr|work> or does it :o
23:25 <luke-jr|work> actually, it's a great idea
23:25 <|Sticky|> probably cant write to solid state that fast anyway
23:25 <luke-jr|work> plug it into an ethernet jack and access via SFTP/Samba/NFS/etc
23:26 <luke-jr|work> can write faster than 100mbit
23:26 <|Sticky|> reading a stick over gige would be fast tho
23:27 <luke-jr|work> seriously, that could be a pretty good idea
23:27 <|Sticky|> heh
23:27 <luke-jr|work> except
23:27 <|Sticky|> copywrited me
23:27 <luke-jr|work> you'd need a battery
23:27 <luke-jr|work> you can't copyright an idea foo
23:29 <|Sticky|> id say the big problem is people only have 1 network jack in the worst places generaly too
23:29 <luke-jr|work> heh
23:29 <luke-jr|work> well, before USB nobody had USB jacks ;)
23:30 <|Sticky|> altough 90% of home users probably arnt using the network port
23:30 <luke-jr|work> besides
23:30 <luke-jr|work> if you have an internet connection, you don't NEED a memory stick
23:31 <|Sticky|> they are handy when you want to take home 2gb's of work
23:31 <wrtlprnft> pfft. the network port is about the second most important thing on a computer after the power cable
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23:32 <|Sticky|> alot of peole now use usb modems and dont have a lan so network ports dont get used
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23:34 <luke-jr|work> |Sticky|: ...
23:35 <|Sticky|> ...
23:35 <luke-jr|work> no gamer would use a USB modem :p
23:35 <|Sticky|> heh...not all people are gamers
23:36 <|Sticky|> just things like my parents that get sent a usb modem with thier subscription, only have 1 pc so never even think there is an alternative
23:37 <|Sticky|> many home users are the same
23:37  * wrtlprnft just knows that a power cable, a network cable, and a life CD that automatically uses DHCP and starts an sshd is enough to install linux on a computer
23:38 <wrtlprnft> so the network port IS important :P
23:38 <|Sticky|> i was surprised talking to a friend, reasonably young and uses computers, even doing a phd but had almost no idea about how to use them or what all that hardware  actualy did
23:39 <wrtlprnft> * live CD
23:40 <wrtlprnft> life CD to the rescue lol
23:42 <|Sticky|> did also love the story one one of my friends running linux calling a isp help line "click the start button"..."i dont have one"..."well you must click it"
23:42 <|Sticky|> wen on for about 5 min before pretending to follow thier instructions
23:43 <wrtlprnft> :D
23:43  * wrtlprnft loves reading manuals how to configure outlook just to find the address of the pop3/smtp servers
23:43 <luke-jr|work> lol
23:43 <wrtlprnft> *on how to
23:44 <madmax|pt> indeed
23:45 <|Sticky|> recently i bought an item and the first thing the sales rep said was "your not going to do anything stupid like use linux with it are you"
23:45 <wrtlprnft> o_O
23:45 <wrtlprnft> what item was that?
23:46 <|Sticky|> gigabit ethernet camera
23:46 <wrtlprnft> why would an ethernet camera not work on linux?
23:46 <|Sticky|> since the company have not released the drivers
23:47 <|Sticky|> it only hit the market about 3 weeks ago
23:48 <|Sticky|> it would work provided you are willing to reimplement the api your self
23:48 <wrtlprnft> oh, i thought you meant one of these web interface things
23:49 <|Sticky|> naa
23:51 -!- MaZuffeR [n=MaZuffeR@darkmoor.sby.abo.fi] has quit ["Leaving."]
23:51 <|Sticky|> http://www.baslerweb.com/beitraege/beitrag_en_48495.html its a beast at 200fps
23:53 <wrtlprnft> o_O
23:55 <luke-jr|work> erm
23:55 <luke-jr|work> how is using Linux stupid?
23:56 <|Sticky|> i just think the sales rep reguarded linux as a bad idea
23:56 <|Sticky|> the geek option i suppose
23:57 <|Sticky|> hay you get it a lot where you say will it run on linux and people just say "no idea, why would you want to"

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