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[2024-05-06 02:58:25] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:juesto| ah yes, years ago you could get ipv4 blocks as a isp, i guess since ipv6 is more "infinite" you get more access for free, you could use it to host multiple devices exposed to the web on different domains, thats kinda the purpose of it, no? obviously properly protected with a firewall or closed ports
[2024-05-06 02:58:25] <armagetron-bridge_> 05discord:juesto| ah yes, years ago you could get ipv4 blocks as a isp, i guess since ipv6 is more "infinite" you get more access for free, you could use it to host multiple devices exposed to the web on different domains, thats kinda the purpose of it, no? obviously properly protected with a firewall or closed ports
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[2024-05-06 11:23:53] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Yeah multiple endpoints is the objective. I think I need a better router to make use of it though, at the moment I have a very consumery Fritz! Box. 
[2024-05-06 11:23:54] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| Yeah multiple endpoints is the objective. I think I need a better router to make use of it though, at the moment I have a very consumery Fritz! Box. 
[2024-05-06 11:23:55] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| Once I have a proper network switch I'll start looking at putting all my homelab stuff on a single machin eunder Xen, then use the other usff machine as a proper router with... something. I'm actually not too familiar with networking OSes atm ngl
[2024-05-06 11:23:55] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Once I have a proper network switch I'll start looking at putting all my homelab stuff on a single machin eunder Xen, then use the other usff machine as a proper router with... something. I'm actually not too familiar with networking OSes atm ngl
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[2024-05-06 14:28:51] <armagetronbridge> 10discord:ℜ𝔢𝔱𝔯𝔬:Player51| @vllis Monarki here. so, what would you like to have translated?
[2024-05-06 14:28:51] <armagetron-bridge_> 10discord:ℜ𝔢𝔱𝔯𝔬:Player51| @vllis Monarki here. so, what would you like to have translated?
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[2024-05-06 16:45:42] <armagetronbridge> 10discord:ℜ𝔢𝔱𝔯𝔬:Player51| hey, @syn_acc!  do you know that if you have Armagetron Authority available for public registration then you could request a shorthand URL, e.g. `@syntron`. 🙂 just request armaops about!
[2024-05-06 16:45:42] <armagetron-bridge_> 10discord:ℜ𝔢𝔱𝔯𝔬:Player51| hey, @syn_acc!  do you know that if you have Armagetron Authority available for public registration then you could request a shorthand URL, e.g. `@syntron`. 🙂 just request armaops about!
[2024-05-06 17:16:51] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Rx.Syn| yeah i saw this thank you!
[2024-05-06 17:16:51] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Rx.Syn| yeah i saw this thank you!
[2024-05-06 17:17:24] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Rx.Syn| i have plans, i want to link it up with the discord auth im building to make an easier experience from discord-> in game login
[2024-05-06 17:17:24] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Rx.Syn| i have plans, i want to link it up with the discord auth im building to make an easier experience from discord-> in game login
[2024-05-06 17:18:07] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Rx.Syn| as of now it’s not really compliant as the spec describes
[2024-05-06 17:18:07] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Rx.Syn| as of now it’s not really compliant as the spec describes
[2024-05-06 17:18:23] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Rx.Syn| idk who actually manages the DNS to auth server mappings though
[2024-05-06 17:18:23] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Rx.Syn| idk who actually manages the DNS to auth server mappings though
[2024-05-06 17:18:45] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Rx.Syn| is that a zman thing?
[2024-05-06 17:18:46] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Rx.Syn| is that a zman thing?
[2024-05-06 17:24:35] <armagetronbridge> 10discord:ℜ𝔢𝔱𝔯𝔬:Player51| could be, or Guru3 or others 😛 no idea.
[2024-05-06 17:24:35] <armagetron-bridge_> 10discord:ℜ𝔢𝔱𝔯𝔬:Player51| could be, or Guru3 or others 😛 no idea.
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[2024-05-06 18:10:03] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| pretty sure shorthand auths are a tank thing. Although when I last attempted to create a nice shiny new shorthand auth, I was summarily denied (grumble grumble). The reasoning was mostly down to there already being `@lt`, `@rx` (at the time), and one or two more besides the forums. idk, there may be more scope for it now - although for the love of all that is holy, *please* do no <clipped message>
[2024-05-06 18:10:03] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| pretty sure shorthand auths are a tank thing. Although when I last attempted to create a nice shiny new shorthand auth, I was summarily denied (grumble grumble). The reasoning was mostly down to there already being `@lt`, `@rx` (at the time), and one or two more besides the forums. idk, there may be more scope for it now - although for the love of all that is holy, *please* do no <clipped message>
[2024-05-06 18:10:03] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| t link Discord oath tokens to tron!
[2024-05-06 18:10:03] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| t link Discord oath tokens to tron!
[2024-05-06 18:10:37] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| not that you could at the moment anyway, the requirements for tron auth are md5 and plain http... um
[2024-05-06 18:10:37] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| not that you could at the moment anyway, the requirements for tron auth are md5 and plain http... um
[2024-05-06 18:11:07] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| salted md5
[2024-05-06 18:11:08] <armagetron-bridge_> 15discord:Nélg| salted md5
[2024-05-06 18:11:30] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| incidentally, @zman_0 libs for ssl are pretty small rn, not to mention computers are a whole heap more powerful. I'm not sure the arguments against ssl libs still apply
[2024-05-06 18:11:31] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| incidentally, @zman_0 libs for ssl are pretty small rn, not to mention computers are a whole heap more powerful. I'm not sure the arguments against ssl libs still apply
[2024-05-06 18:11:57] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| @wwnelg makes no difference, honestly. It's still md5
[2024-05-06 18:11:57] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| @wwnelg makes no difference, honestly. It's still md5
[2024-05-06 18:12:10] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| but ssl would be a good start imo
[2024-05-06 18:12:10] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| but ssl would be a good start imo
[2024-05-06 18:12:56] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I did have designs on a script that could intercept login requests locally and redirect them over a python-in-the-middle webserver, but I don't think it can really wok in practise
[2024-05-06 18:12:56] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| I did have designs on a script that could intercept login requests locally and redirect them over a python-in-the-middle webserver, but I don't think it can really wok in practise
[2024-05-06 18:15:48] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Rx.Syn| the discord oauth tokens would link to a user that would link to a salted md5 token… what’s the problem?
[2024-05-06 18:15:48] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Rx.Syn| the discord oauth tokens would link to a user that would link to a salted md5 token… what’s the problem?
[2024-05-06 18:16:10] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| you're looking for single-password-auth right
[2024-05-06 18:16:10] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| you're looking for single-password-auth right
[2024-05-06 18:16:27] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Rx.Syn| not really
[2024-05-06 18:16:27] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Rx.Syn| not really
[2024-05-06 18:17:02] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Rx.Syn| either way i’d have to generate credentials specific for in game login, independent of the discord auth status
[2024-05-06 18:17:02] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Rx.Syn| either way i’d have to generate credentials specific for in game login, independent of the discord auth status
[2024-05-06 18:17:17] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| oh right
[2024-05-06 18:17:17] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| oh right
[2024-05-06 18:17:28] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I thought you wanted to authenticate users in-game with discord tokens
[2024-05-06 18:17:28] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| I thought you wanted to authenticate users in-game with discord tokens
[2024-05-06 18:17:47] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Rx.Syn| asking users to get their discord tokens isn’t great UX 😛
[2024-05-06 18:17:47] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Rx.Syn| asking users to get their discord tokens isn’t great UX 😛
[2024-05-06 18:18:22] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| ya, at some point you'd need them to enter their discord password too
[2024-05-06 18:18:23] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| ya, at some point you'd need them to enter their discord password too
[2024-05-06 18:18:26] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| which... yeah no
[2024-05-06 18:18:26] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| which... yeah no
[2024-05-06 18:19:00] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Rx.Syn| just a regular oauth2 flow… that’s working already i’m just too lazy to finish the rest
[2024-05-06 18:19:00] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Rx.Syn| just a regular oauth2 flow… that’s working already i’m just too lazy to finish the rest
[2024-05-06 18:19:04] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Rx.Syn| i’ll get to it this week
[2024-05-06 18:19:04] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Rx.Syn| i’ll get to it this week
[2024-05-06 18:20:14] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I don't understand the purpose then. Is it to link discord members with in-game IDs?
[2024-05-06 18:20:14] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| I don't understand the purpose then. Is it to link discord members with in-game IDs?
[2024-05-06 18:20:33] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Rx.Syn| yep, and to give a better onboarding experience
[2024-05-06 18:20:33] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Rx.Syn| yep, and to give a better onboarding experience
[2024-05-06 18:20:38] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Rx.Syn| in my subjective experience
[2024-05-06 18:20:38] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Rx.Syn| in my subjective experience
[2024-05-06 18:21:00] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Rx.Syn| sending kids to the forums and other places to make logins has been awkward
[2024-05-06 18:21:00] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Rx.Syn| sending kids to the forums and other places to make logins has been awkward
[2024-05-06 18:21:01] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| So how do they know what credentials to use in-game?
[2024-05-06 18:21:01] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| So how do they know what credentials to use in-game?
[2024-05-06 18:21:23] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Rx.Syn| i’m thinking about ways of either generating ones initially that must be changed
[2024-05-06 18:21:23] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Rx.Syn| i’m thinking about ways of either generating ones initially that must be changed
[2024-05-06 18:21:35] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Rx.Syn| or creating some token to type in game in a server to link that GID
[2024-05-06 18:21:35] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Rx.Syn| or creating some token to type in game in a server to link that GID
[2024-05-06 18:21:41] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| What about usernames?
[2024-05-06 18:21:41] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| What about usernames?
[2024-05-06 18:21:47] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| just use the discord usernames?
[2024-05-06 18:21:47] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| just use the discord usernames?
[2024-05-06 18:22:04] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Rx.Syn| yeah or whatever the jwt has
[2024-05-06 18:22:05] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Rx.Syn| yeah or whatever the jwt has
[2024-05-06 18:22:08] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Rx.Syn| i also have google login
[2024-05-06 18:22:08] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Rx.Syn| i also have google login
[2024-05-06 18:23:17] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| hmmm. There's another issue with this, whcih is the crossover between open-source, and proprietary. Armagetron is about as FOSS as you can get, so implementing proprietary solutions might not go down so well
[2024-05-06 18:23:17] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| hmmm. There's another issue with this, whcih is the crossover between open-source, and proprietary. Armagetron is about as FOSS as you can get, so implementing proprietary solutions might not go down so well
[2024-05-06 18:23:35] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I'm aware of the irony of saying that whilst using a proprietary platform, but that's what the IRC bridge is for
[2024-05-06 18:23:36] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| I'm aware of the irony of saying that whilst using a proprietary platform, but that's what the IRC bridge is for
[2024-05-06 18:24:03] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Rx.Syn| what about my solution is proprietary
[2024-05-06 18:24:03] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Rx.Syn| what about my solution is proprietary
[2024-05-06 18:24:11] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Rx.Syn| all my code is FOSS too
[2024-05-06 18:24:12] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Rx.Syn| all my code is FOSS too
[2024-05-06 18:24:25] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Rx.Syn| auth is just auth
[2024-05-06 18:24:25] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Rx.Syn| auth is just auth
[2024-05-06 18:24:46] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| No, Discord is proprietary
[2024-05-06 18:24:46] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| No, Discord is proprietary
[2024-05-06 18:25:05] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Rx.Syn| but the standards the auth protocols adhere to aren’t
[2024-05-06 18:25:05] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Rx.Syn| but the standards the auth protocols adhere to aren’t
[2024-05-06 18:26:04] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| the *output* of the auth procedure matches the open source spec yes, but that doesn't guarantee that the implementation is proper. I mean, it *probably* is, but ye
[2024-05-06 18:26:04] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| the *output* of the auth procedure matches the open source spec yes, but that doesn't guarantee that the implementation is proper. I mean, it *probably* is, but ye
[2024-05-06 18:26:19] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Rx.Syn| and i’m still gonna support standard email password
[2024-05-06 18:26:20] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Rx.Syn| and i’m still gonna support standard email password
[2024-05-06 18:26:50] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Oh, we also have `@wiki` now
[2024-05-06 18:26:50] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| Oh, we also have `@wiki` now
[2024-05-06 18:27:58] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| but yeah, I wouldn't say *don't* do it, but I'd rather avoid discord's 0auth altogether and just prompt a new user to create a login
[2024-05-06 18:27:58] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| but yeah, I wouldn't say *don't* do it, but I'd rather avoid discord's 0auth altogether and just prompt a new user to create a login
[2024-05-06 18:28:34] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Rx.Syn| also thinking further down the line at just mapping discord ids to players
[2024-05-06 18:28:34] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Rx.Syn| also thinking further down the line at just mapping discord ids to players
[2024-05-06 18:28:40] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Rx.Syn| makes balancing and stuff lots easier
[2024-05-06 18:28:40] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Rx.Syn| makes balancing and stuff lots easier
[2024-05-06 18:29:03] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Rx.Syn| right now i guess there’s a fairly esoteric mapping somewhere that does fort balancing
[2024-05-06 18:29:03] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Rx.Syn| right now i guess there’s a fairly esoteric mapping somewhere that does fort balancing
[2024-05-06 18:30:11] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| you could even do it in-server - Rinzler already does *some* onboarding stuff, so you could contribute some code that the user can engage with in PMs that creates them a new in-game login via prompts. If you wanna then add the discord ID of that individual, that's fine - you don't even have to touch 0auth for it
[2024-05-06 18:30:11] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| you could even do it in-server - Rinzler already does *some* onboarding stuff, so you could contribute some code that the user can engage with in PMs that creates them a new in-game login via prompts. If you wanna then add the discord ID of that individual, that's fine - you don't even have to touch 0auth for it
[2024-05-06 18:30:56] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| since rinzler will already know the discord ID of the user from the message journey, that's a lto easier
[2024-05-06 18:30:57] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| since rinzler will already know the discord ID of the user from the message journey, that's a lto easier
[2024-05-06 18:31:24] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| since it's quite literally `message.user.id` or something thereabouts
[2024-05-06 18:31:24] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| since it's quite literally `message.user.id` or something thereabouts
[2024-05-06 18:31:50] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| >  do it in-server
[2024-05-06 18:31:50] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| By which I mean in the discord server, not in-game
[2024-05-06 18:31:50] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| >  do it in-server
[2024-05-06 18:31:51] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| By which I mean in the discord server, not in-game
[2024-05-06 18:32:08] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Rx.Syn| that’s a nice idea
[2024-05-06 18:32:08] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Rx.Syn| that’s a nice idea
[2024-05-06 18:33:11] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| ya Rinzler is super simple stuff too
[2024-05-06 18:33:12] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| ya Rinzler is super simple stuff too
[2024-05-06 19:39:22] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:anjo3060| i have a spreadsheet with users' nick, auth, and discord ID but i havent really updated it in years as its independent of my bot. i shared access with nanu at one point idk if hes updated either
[2024-05-06 19:39:22] <armagetron-bridge_> 07discord:anjo3060| i have a spreadsheet with users' nick, auth, and discord ID but i havent really updated it in years as its independent of my bot. i shared access with nanu at one point idk if hes updated either
[2024-05-06 19:49:11] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Ya, it's prolly worth creating a universal source for this sorta thing. I have an idea on that too
[2024-05-06 19:49:11] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| Ya, it's prolly worth creating a universal source for this sorta thing. I have an idea on that too
[2024-05-06 20:33:15] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:addctfs| I wanna write a server
[2024-05-06 20:33:15] <armagetron-bridge_> 04discord:addctfs| I wanna write a server
[2024-05-06 20:33:28] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:addctfs| Is that a drunk good idea or just a regular good idea
[2024-05-06 20:33:29] <armagetron-bridge_> 04discord:addctfs| Is that a drunk good idea or just a regular good idea
[2024-05-06 20:35:07] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:addctfs| Ima so it in Go
[2024-05-06 20:35:08] <armagetron-bridge_> 04discord:addctfs| Ima so it in Go
[2024-05-06 20:36:05] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:addctfs| Ive always wanted a client that has a more immersive menu tho like something more idlish where you have a character you control with some idly game stuff in between matches
[2024-05-06 20:36:05] <armagetron-bridge_> 04discord:addctfs| Ive always wanted a client that has a more immersive menu tho like something more idlish where you have a character you control with some idly game stuff in between matches
[2024-05-06 20:36:21] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| write a server? as in a script or a re-implementation of armagetron
[2024-05-06 20:36:21] <armagetron-bridge_> 15discord:Nélg| write a server? as in a script or a re-implementation of armagetron
[2024-05-06 20:36:30] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:addctfs| Reimplementation
[2024-05-06 20:36:30] <armagetron-bridge_> 04discord:addctfs| Reimplementation
[2024-05-06 20:36:52] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:addctfs| I was looking through some protocol docs recently
[2024-05-06 20:36:52] <armagetron-bridge_> 04discord:addctfs| I was looking through some protocol docs recently
[2024-05-06 20:37:33] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:magi_cake| We should add ctfs
[2024-05-06 20:37:33] <armagetron-bridge_> 07discord:magi_cake| We should add ctfs
[2024-05-06 20:37:44] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:addctfs| You bet your fuckin arse we should
[2024-05-06 20:37:45] <armagetron-bridge_> 04discord:addctfs| You bet your fuckin arse we should
[2024-05-06 20:38:22] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:addctfs| Cake is an absolute legend
[2024-05-06 20:38:22] <armagetron-bridge_> 04discord:addctfs| Cake is an absolute legend
[2024-05-06 20:40:24] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| this was one of the things i tried to do with the armawebtron codebase... i got it sorta working than gave up, but i found it really difficult to figure out what armagetron expects and when
[2024-05-06 20:40:24] <armagetron-bridge_> 15discord:Nélg| this was one of the things i tried to do with the armawebtron codebase... i got it sorta working than gave up, but i found it really difficult to figure out what armagetron expects and when
[2024-05-06 20:41:20] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:addctfs| With the amount of players it wouldnt be too hard to standardize and refactor if we needed to would it? I can set up a buntu ppa
[2024-05-06 20:41:21] <armagetron-bridge_> 04discord:addctfs| With the amount of players it wouldnt be too hard to standardize and refactor if we needed to would it? I can set up a buntu ppa
[2024-05-06 20:41:41] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:addctfs| Ohhhh you said armawebtron
[2024-05-06 20:41:41] <armagetron-bridge_> 04discord:addctfs| Ohhhh you said armawebtron
[2024-05-06 20:42:15] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:addctfs| I swear a web client i believe still could get us so many new players. We gotta be ready for 2025 when the new movie releases
[2024-05-06 20:42:15] <armagetron-bridge_> 04discord:addctfs| I swear a web client i believe still could get us so many new players. We gotta be ready for 2025 when the new movie releases
[2024-05-06 20:42:29] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:addctfs| Thats what i wanted to focus on a couple years ago. Code n marketing
[2024-05-06 20:42:29] <armagetron-bridge_> 04discord:addctfs| Thats what i wanted to focus on a couple years ago. Code n marketing
[2024-05-06 20:44:25] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Tron can run in a browser as-is, it was packaged by someone years ago and ran just fine in IE...8(?)
[2024-05-06 20:44:26] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| Tron can run in a browser as-is, it was packaged by someone years ago and ran just fine in IE...8(?)
[2024-05-06 20:44:39] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:addctfs| U talking web asm? Ew
[2024-05-06 20:44:39] <armagetron-bridge_> 04discord:addctfs| U talking web asm? Ew
[2024-05-06 20:44:52] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:addctfs| Absolutely not
[2024-05-06 20:44:52] <armagetron-bridge_> 04discord:addctfs| Absolutely not
[2024-05-06 20:45:09] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| really? how have i never seen this
[2024-05-06 20:45:10] <armagetron-bridge_> 15discord:Nélg| really? how have i never seen this
[2024-05-06 20:45:27] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Honestly, I though tit was you that had done it
[2024-05-06 20:45:27] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| Honestly, I though tit was you that had done it
[2024-05-06 20:45:47] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| i mean, there's this https://armawebtron.github.io/
[2024-05-06 20:45:48] <armagetron-bridge_> 15discord:Nélg| i mean, there's this https://armawebtron.github.io/
[2024-05-06 20:45:51] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| The browser package had one or two issues mind you. This was early web-app era
[2024-05-06 20:45:51] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| The browser package had one or two issues mind you. This was early web-app era
[2024-05-06 20:45:53] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| no no
[2024-05-06 20:45:53] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| no no
[2024-05-06 20:46:00] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| the complete armagetron desktop appliocatoon
[2024-05-06 20:46:00] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| the complete armagetron desktop appliocatoon
[2024-05-06 20:46:09] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| "apliocatoon" what
[2024-05-06 20:46:09] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| "apliocatoon" what
[2024-05-06 20:46:38] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:addctfs| Nelg do not get distracted we gotta figure out the protocol
[2024-05-06 20:46:38] <armagetron-bridge_> 04discord:addctfs| Nelg do not get distracted we gotta figure out the protocol
[2024-05-06 20:47:05] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:addctfs| I will help if i can. Dont give up 😭
[2024-05-06 20:47:05] <armagetron-bridge_> 04discord:addctfs| I will help if i can. Dont give up 😭
[2024-05-06 20:47:20] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:addctfs| Im loading up the pc rn
[2024-05-06 20:47:20] <armagetron-bridge_> 04discord:addctfs| Im loading up the pc rn
[2024-05-06 20:49:09] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Prolly not webassembly, tbh. This was maybe 2012 or so
[2024-05-06 20:49:09] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| Prolly not webassembly, tbh. This was maybe 2012 or so
[2024-05-06 20:51:50] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:addctfs| I thought emscripten existed then because a bunchhh of people tried to build their apps for the web and it didnt help their communities
[2024-05-06 20:51:50] <armagetron-bridge_> 04discord:addctfs| I thought emscripten existed then because a bunchhh of people tried to build their apps for the web and it didnt help their communities
[2024-05-06 20:52:01] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:addctfs| I may be mistaken
[2024-05-06 20:52:02] <armagetron-bridge_> 04discord:addctfs| I may be mistaken
[2024-05-06 20:52:56] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Meh. I doubt I'll find it now, web searching is crippled by shitty LLM stuff and general idiots on the internet
[2024-05-06 20:52:57] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| Meh. I doubt I'll find it now, web searching is crippled by shitty LLM stuff and general idiots on the internet
[2024-05-06 20:53:10] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:addctfs| truu
[2024-05-06 20:53:10] <armagetron-bridge_> 04discord:addctfs| truu
[2024-05-06 20:53:32] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:addctfs| @wwnelg where did you get hung up with the protocol
[2024-05-06 20:53:32] <armagetron-bridge_> 04discord:addctfs| @wwnelg where did you get hung up with the protocol
[2024-05-06 20:58:50] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| uh from what i remember, i got it mostly working as in an armagetron client can connect to the armawebtron server and sort of play, but it sort of breaks when multiple clients are connected and some clients do not receive objects like they are supposed to... so i guess i gave up trying to fix bugs in my implementation rather than the protocol necessarily
[2024-05-06 20:58:50] <armagetron-bridge_> 15discord:Nélg| uh from what i remember, i got it mostly working as in an armagetron client can connect to the armawebtron server and sort of play, but it sort of breaks when multiple clients are connected and some clients do not receive objects like they are supposed to... so i guess i gave up trying to fix bugs in my implementation rather than the protocol necessarily
[2024-05-06 20:58:58] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| but ill fire it all up again and mess with it
[2024-05-06 20:58:59] <armagetron-bridge_> 15discord:Nélg| but ill fire it all up again and mess with it
[2024-05-06 21:01:01] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:addctfs| A solid web client is the future
[2024-05-06 21:01:01] <armagetron-bridge_> 04discord:addctfs| A solid web client is the future
[2024-05-06 21:01:23] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:addctfs| I still want to do a server but idk if it would be a good use of time
[2024-05-06 21:01:23] <armagetron-bridge_> 04discord:addctfs| I still want to do a server but idk if it would be a good use of time
[2024-05-06 21:01:38] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| If armagetron moved to a web client, I'd stop playing
[2024-05-06 21:01:38] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| If armagetron moved to a web client, I'd stop playing
[2024-05-06 21:01:39] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| oh and also iirc the electron armawebtron client in armagetron mode isn't able to connect to the armawebtron armagetron server LOL
[2024-05-06 21:01:39] <armagetron-bridge_> 15discord:Nélg| oh and also iirc the electron armawebtron client in armagetron mode isn't able to connect to the armawebtron armagetron server LOL
[2024-05-06 21:02:28] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:addctfs| @northernscrub well yeah but rly theres a huge player base looking for new io web games and it could lead to interesting things. I've seen many people start playing a game and beg for a native client but the devs never got to it
[2024-05-06 21:02:28] <armagetron-bridge_> 04discord:addctfs| @northernscrub well yeah but rly theres a huge player base looking for new io web games and it could lead to interesting things. I've seen many people start playing a game and beg for a native client but the devs never got to it
[2024-05-06 21:02:42] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:addctfs| just a marketing ploy really
[2024-05-06 21:02:42] <armagetron-bridge_> 04discord:addctfs| just a marketing ploy really
[2024-05-06 21:03:11] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:addctfs| which as u can tell we need as no one plays ctfs anymore
[2024-05-06 21:03:11] <armagetron-bridge_> 04discord:addctfs| which as u can tell we need as no one plays ctfs anymore
[2024-05-06 21:04:00] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:addctfs| long term goal is invest a lot of time and money into getting new players to ultimately addctfs
[2024-05-06 21:04:00] <armagetron-bridge_> 04discord:addctfs| long term goal is invest a lot of time and money into getting new players to ultimately addctfs
[2024-05-06 21:04:11] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:addctfs| hence the name
[2024-05-06 21:04:11] <armagetron-bridge_> 04discord:addctfs| hence the name
[2024-05-06 21:04:20] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| we talking about playing the game through a web browser? Like a flash game? lol
[2024-05-06 21:04:20] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| we talking about playing the game through a web browser? Like a flash game? lol
[2024-05-06 21:05:10] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:addctfs| think big man. who plays web io games? 12 year olds. When they get competitive and age up a bit, they want native clients for performance and functionality
[2024-05-06 21:05:10] <armagetron-bridge_> 04discord:addctfs| think big man. who plays web io games? 12 year olds. When they get competitive and age up a bit, they want native clients for performance and functionality
[2024-05-06 21:06:01] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:addctfs| we get the youth and boom we got another decade of active ctfs servers
[2024-05-06 21:06:02] <armagetron-bridge_> 04discord:addctfs| we get the youth and boom we got another decade of active ctfs servers
[2024-05-06 21:06:33] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:addctfs| also the money can be ridiculous
[2024-05-06 21:06:33] <armagetron-bridge_> 04discord:addctfs| also the money can be ridiculous
[2024-05-06 21:06:47] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:addctfs| which we can pump back into marketing ctfs servers
[2024-05-06 21:06:47] <armagetron-bridge_> 04discord:addctfs| which we can pump back into marketing ctfs servers
[2024-05-06 21:08:01] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| I dont know what that even is
[2024-05-06 21:08:01] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| I dont know what that even is
[2024-05-06 21:08:32] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| well in terms of just having a web client, messing with armawebtron as a server is a bit silly... i think it would be better to hack on websockets support (or whatever other options there are) to armagetron's server, and get armawebtron connecting to that
[2024-05-06 21:08:33] <armagetron-bridge_> 15discord:Nélg| well in terms of just having a web client, messing with armawebtron as a server is a bit silly... i think it would be better to hack on websockets support (or whatever other options there are) to armagetron's server, and get armawebtron connecting to that
[2024-05-06 21:08:57] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:addctfs| I think I could whip up websocket support in a weekend
[2024-05-06 21:08:58] <armagetron-bridge_> 04discord:addctfs| I think I could whip up websocket support in a weekend
[2024-05-06 21:09:13] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| but sure I think anything that brings new players is a good idea if it works. As they say its not stupid if it works
[2024-05-06 21:09:14] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| but sure I think anything that brings new players is a good idea if it works. As they say its not stupid if it works
[2024-05-06 21:10:41] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Damn I was 13 when I first played this game, ages ago lol
[2024-05-06 21:10:41] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| Damn I was 13 when I first played this game, ages ago lol
[2024-05-06 21:12:24] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:addctfs| Wait @wwnelg what are you doing now for a server?
[2024-05-06 21:12:24] <armagetron-bridge_> 04discord:addctfs| Wait @wwnelg what are you doing now for a server?
[2024-05-06 21:16:58] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| if you mean the barely-functional server/client system exclusively for armawebtron, that is using websockets
[2024-05-06 21:16:59] <armagetron-bridge_> 15discord:Nélg| if you mean the barely-functional server/client system exclusively for armawebtron, that is using websockets
[2024-05-06 21:18:16] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| if you mean the stuff involving armagetron, that has to be udp
[2024-05-06 21:18:16] <armagetron-bridge_> 15discord:Nélg| if you mean the stuff involving armagetron, that has to be udp
[2024-05-06 21:18:28] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| at least right now
[2024-05-06 21:18:29] <armagetron-bridge_> 15discord:Nélg| at least right now
[2024-05-06 21:20:09] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:addctfs| yea gonna need some tweaking to get it working over websockets
[2024-05-06 21:20:10] <armagetron-bridge_> 04discord:addctfs| yea gonna need some tweaking to get it working over websockets
[2024-05-06 21:20:19] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:addctfs| could go webrtc too
[2024-05-06 21:20:19] <armagetron-bridge_> 04discord:addctfs| could go webrtc too
[2024-05-06 21:20:56] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:addctfs| idk whats going to happen if I just proxy all that data over to websockets
[2024-05-06 21:20:57] <armagetron-bridge_> 04discord:addctfs| idk whats going to happen if I just proxy all that data over to websockets
[2024-05-06 21:21:09] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:addctfs| when the original setup expects lossy
[2024-05-06 21:21:09] <armagetron-bridge_> 04discord:addctfs| when the original setup expects lossy
[2024-05-06 21:23:34] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| yeah there's a lot of stuff to be trimmed out if we're going TCP
[2024-05-06 21:23:34] <armagetron-bridge_> 15discord:Nélg| yeah there's a lot of stuff to be trimmed out if we're going TCP
[2024-05-06 21:29:29] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| well probably only the acks tbh
[2024-05-06 21:29:29] <armagetron-bridge_> 15discord:Nélg| well probably only the acks tbh
[2024-05-06 21:29:39] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| because that would be completely redundant
[2024-05-06 21:29:39] <armagetron-bridge_> 15discord:Nélg| because that would be completely redundant
[2024-05-06 21:29:45] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| otherwise i'm sure it would work
[2024-05-06 21:29:45] <armagetron-bridge_> 15discord:Nélg| otherwise i'm sure it would work
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